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Chinese missiles with Russian character

About Chinese weapons in the world they are talking more and more. Especially in American specialized publications, everyone there is seriously preparing for a war with China, God knows why, but they are preparing. And therefore, the enemy's weapons should be known the better, the less noticeably you want to get this weapon. It's all very logical.

Hence the constant interest. Old planes, new planes, new ships, and so on. And in the materials about Chinese strategic bombers, very smart guys from American military publications admitted that the planes are old, yes, but missiles-they have new ones...



And it was impossible to argue with this.

In general, what difference does it make who will drag the missiles to the safe launch distance, the newest B-21 or the B-52 confidently flying to its centennial anniversary? The essence is the same: the launch of a batch of missiles from an aircraft located outside the kill zone Defense the country for which this pack is intended.


That is why, in light of the hypothetical conflict that the US is talking about so much, and also after the demarche of Chinese strategic bombers near Alaska, a lot of attention has begun to be paid to what these bombers can bring. The Patriot is certainly a good thing, the question is whether they will be able to fight back, since the PLA Air Force has the largest fleet of strategic bombers in the world, and the whole world already knows that a mass launch decides a lot.


Well, since we're talking about missiles, in addition to missiles that will demolish cities, it makes sense to talk about missiles that will be blown out of the sky by American fighters that will try to shoot down these missiles. Considering how many fighters the US has in the Air Force and Navy (more than 2), they will definitely try. Otherwise, why did they make so many of them, fighters?

But the US admits that China's missile weapons are a serious argument, both in quantity and quality. The quantity is clear, but what does it mean for the Chinese industry, led by the Communist Party of China, to perform a labor feat and provide the PLA with the necessary number of missiles? Two quantities? Three? Everyone understands everything perfectly well.

But it is worth saying a few words about quality. But for this we need to dive into history.

It is believed that it all began on September 24, 1958, when the People's Liberation Army Air Force of China received a crushing slap in the face from the Republic of China (Taiwan) Air Force in a battle over Wenzhou Bay.

For several days, his Chinese J-5s (licensed Soviet MiG-17s) fought with American F-86F Sabre fighters supplied to Taiwan.


The MiG-17 outperformed the Sabre in altitude, so the Chinese pilots could use their altitude advantage to the fullest extent. That is, they could safely circle the Sabres without worrying about them until they received the order to attack.

But things didn't go according to plan for the PLAAF that day, because in June, the U.S. Navy secretly upgraded 20 Taiwanese Sabres to launch the GAR-9 Sidewinder (soon renamed the AIM-9B), the most advanced missile at the time.


The F-86F suddenly fired a salvo of Sidewinders from a position below and scored hits. This forced the Chinese pilots to descend lower, where an air battle, already familiar to those times, began. This battle ended sadly for the PLA pilots: they lost four aircraft to missiles and six more in a dogfight from the Sabres' machine guns.

The Second Taiwan Crisis was a highly controversial affair: Taiwanese pilots claimed to have shot down 31 J-5s while losing two F-86s. The PLAAF claimed that Chinese pilots shot down 14 Sabres while losing five of their own. So who is telling the truth is not so important to us, what is important is that on this day, air-to-air guided/homing missiles made their successful entry into the theater of air warfare.

In general, the US, of course, came out a little ahead here. And although guns and machine guns continued to reap their harvest in the sky, it was already beginning to become clear that the future was not in the air. artillery, but for missile weapons. And here the Americans were great. Although the USSR had developed the K-5, a short-range radar-guided missile that China acquired for licensed production after the crisis under the designation Thunderbolt-1 (or PL-1), its short range and inflexible radar guidance system led to the cessation of PL-1 production in the early 1970s.


K-5M missile mounted on MiG-19

The Soviet K-5M radar-guided air-to-air missile was a pioneer, although at best it could be used against bombers, but was of little use against maneuverable fighters due to the need to precisely aim the narrow beam of the nose radar at the target. China produced its own PL-1 missiles under license, four of which were carried by the J-6 fighter (the Chinese version of the MiG-19).

However, the skirmishes with Taiwan turned out to be a big plus for China and the Soviet Union: on September 28, a damaged MiG-17 managed to limp back to base with an unexploded Sidewinder missile stuck in its fuselage.

The Chinese were overjoyed, but they failed miserably at reengineering the Sidewinder. They were simply not up to the task. So China made a smart move: it negotiated a transfer and reverse engineering deal with the Soviet Union, which successfully turned the weapon into the K-13 (NATO codename AA-2 Atoll). Beginning in the mid-1960s, North Vietnamese MiG-21 fighters began using the K-13 to attack U.S. combat aircraft, and they were quite successful.

Although relations between China and the USSR had all but collapsed in June 1960, in 1961 we kept our promise and handed over the K-13 missiles and production plans to China. However, it took the Chinese about another decade to begin mass production of a Chinese copy of the Soviet copy of the Sidewinder, designated the PL-2.


PL-2 missiles, a replica of the Soviet-era AIM-9 Sidewinder missile, are on display at the Military Museum of the Chinese People's Revolution.


Over the next four decades, Chinese engineers repeatedly acquired foreign missiles through various means and learned to manufacture and improve them. Finally, in the early 21st century, Chinese designers reached a turning point, presenting designs that equaled and in some cases outperformed competing weapons.


PLA Air Force weapons display at the Army Museum aviation PLAC

White air-to-air missiles in the first row from left to right:
- PL-5, derived from the K-13 / AIM-9 Sidewinder;
- PL-9 (hybrid of Magic, Python and Sidewinder);
- PL-8 based on the Israeli Python missile;
- PL-11 based on the Italian Aspide/AIM-7;
- PL-12 is supposedly domestic, but uses the Russian R-77 seeker;
- a trio of Russian origin: the short-range R-73, the medium-range R-27R and the long-range R-77.

I can’t help but make my own historical remark: the Sidewinder wasn’t all that good against our K-5. Based on the unguided Zuni missile, the AIM-9B had no less stringent limitations than the Soviet missile: it had to be aimed extremely precisely – with a deviation of no more than four degrees from the target – and strictly from behind at the hot exhaust of the aircraft’s engine, so using it against aircraft approaching head-on was prohibited. It also had to be aimed away from the sun, which, as a rule, knocked the missiles off course. In this regard, the K-5, which had to be kept in the beam of the onboard radar, was simpler, although less accurate.

The PL-2 thus created went into mass production only in 1972, and by the time production was closed in 1983, 2950 units had been delivered. Poor test results in the 1970s and a host of complaints from pilots about premature detonation of the proximity fuse and blockage from the sun led to the missiles being returned en masse to the factories for modification.

Chinese engineers made several attempts to improve the PL-2, starting with the PL-3, which began testing in 1968. However, research progressed so slowly that it was abandoned in 1980 without much success.

In 1977, thanks to intelligence efforts, China obtained two new AIM-9E Sidewinders, which it used to create the improved PL-2B, with a new seeker, longer range (from 7 to 10 km), and a new cooling system. The Luoyang Electro-Optical Institute of Technology tried to create a radar-guided missile called the PL-5A, similar to the AIM-9C and K-13P, but this project was also cancelled in 1983.

However, the infrared-guided PL-5B was finally developed and entered production in 1986, with its range increased to 16 km. China managed to export lightweight PL-5s and improved PL-5EIIs (with low-smoke engines, laser proximity fuses, and dual-band IR seekers) to 10 countries in Asia, Africa, and South America. The PL-5 is still widely used on older Chinese aircraft that are unable to carry larger missiles.


Chinese PL-5 missile based on Sidewinder missile

That's where the story of China's Sidewinder ends. More precisely, as far as development goes, the missiles themselves, created on the basis of the aircraft pulled out of the fuselage in 1958, are still in service with the PLAAF.


Moving on.

Next we have 1966, when China's military institutes began developing the PL-4 long-range radar-guided missile. The prototype was the American AIM-7D Sparrow, which North Vietnam had acquired and given to China.

The missiles were fitted to J-6 fighters, based on the Soviet MiG-19, which could carry up to four PL-4s and shot down at least six US warplanes between 1965 and 1967, mostly over the South China Sea. The PL-4 was intended to arm the Chengdu J-9, which was retired in 1980, and then the Shenyang J-8II.

With China and the United States becoming closer in the 1970s and relations with the Soviet Union deteriorating, China gradually gained access to the defense markets of the United States, Western Europe, and Israel, as it scrambled to make up for the losses it had lost during the Cultural Revolution.

Somehow (it would be a good idea to ask the intelligence service) the specialists at the Zhuzhou Aircraft Engine Plant got their hands on (they say they bought it, but who saw the receipts?) a French short-range missile R.550 Magic, and they reverse-engineered it. The missile turned out to be basically comparable to the Sidewinder, but more maneuverable thanks to the second tail unit in the front part.

China immediately stopped production of the conceptually similar PL-6 missile (combining elements of the PL-5A and PL-3) and began mass production of cloned Magics, or PL-7s, which were rumored to be inferior in quality to the original but were quite effective weapons.

In the 1980s, China exported 400 PL-7s to Iran, along with 2500 PL-2s and PL-2As and several J-7 fighters. They have also been adapted for installation on Iranian American-made F-4E Phantom and F-5 Freedom fighters, as well as French Mirage F1s captured from Iraq in 1991.


Bangladesh Air Force F-7BG / Chengdu J-7 / MiG-21 armed with PL-7 missile.

Meanwhile, in 1983, China's Xi'an Eastern Machinery Factory acquired the licensing rights to produce the Israeli Python-III heat-seeking missile, which had attracted Chinese interest the previous year when Israeli F-16s shot down a fair number (30 to 50 depending on who was counting) of Syrian fighters with virtually no losses.

The Python-III was then renamed the PL-8, perhaps to disguise its Israeli origins from the Muslim client states to whom China was quietly supplying missiles that, in keeping with the age-old "almost the same, but much cheaper" principle, were being sold. The PL-8 was used on Chinese fighters until 1986, while Chinese factories became capable of producing a completely indigenous (import-substituting) missile, designated the PL-8A, a few years later.

The Python/PL-8 was capable of being used effectively in all aspects, much like the later Sidewinder models, but had a higher maximum speed of Mach 3,5 or 4. China introduced a helmet-mounted sight to help guide the PL-8 to its target after launch, as well as a PL-8B model with increased firing angles. These missiles can still be seen on modern PLA fighters.

In 1986, a new missile, the PL-9, was developed, combining elements of the PL-5 and PL-7 airframe with the PL-8 seeker—in other words, a hybrid of the Sidewinder, Magic, and Python III. Production of this missile was modest in terms of numbers, suggesting that something may have gone wrong.

The Chinese Air Force still needed a medium-range radar-guided missile for the J-8-II interceptor, which replaced the J-9 after the failure of previous radar-guided missile programs.


J-15 fighters on the aircraft carrier Liaoning with PL-8 and PL-12 missiles

The wingtip guides are equipped with PL-8 missiles based on the Israeli Python-3 with a characteristic large swept tail, while the middle section of the wing is equipped with PL-12 missiles, comparable in performance to the American AIM-120C missile.

China finally filled this gap when it licensed the Italian Aspide missile, which itself was derived from the AIM-7E Sparrow, although its internal components were significantly different from the original.

Although the Aspide's license was revoked after the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989, the Chinese were undeterred, and the Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology began producing Aspide clones called the PL-11 a few years later to arm J-8 fighters. The final model, the PL-11B, finally featured a Chinese-made AMR-1 seeker in the nose, allowing it to be used in a fire-and-forget mode.

Another important development helping China master beyond-visual-range air warfare has been the acquisition of Italian Grifo, Israeli ELM-2034 and American AN/APG-66(V) radars, the latter as part of the Peace Pearl program designed to upgrade Chinese aircraft (particularly the J-8-II fighter) with F-16 technology.

The Pearl of the World was again eventually abandoned due to US political preferences, but again the Chinese were not at all bothered by this.

Eventually, with a variety of models available, China began to move into the market. In the 1980s, Chinese air-to-air missiles were increasingly exported to African countries and client states, including Bangladesh, Myanmar, Pakistan, Iran, and Venezuela, often bundled with low-cost export fighters, especially the older J-6, Q-5, and J-7, as well as the newer JF-17.


JF-17, aka MiG-21 in a new life

Export missiles typically have reduced range and different designations (example: PL-12 export model is SD-10) or have the letter E added to the model number (PL-15 export is PL-15E). However, export models of some older missiles have actually been upgraded to make them more marketable, allowing them to be used by the PLA as well.

The Russians are returning.


PLAAF J-11BS with R-73 missile

After Tiananmen Square, Western countries clamped down hard on their military technology, but something unexpected happened: the collapse of the Soviet Union ended the fallout from Moscow and Beijing's communist disputes. Cash-strapped Russia and Ukraine sought to sell off Soviet weapons at bargain prices to fund their fragile economies, which were undergoing the transition to capitalism as a result of "shock therapy."

For example, Ukraine sold China 1309 R-27R medium-range radar-guided missiles and 124 R-27ER long-range missiles between 1994 and 2010, as well as a license to manufacture them in China. Of course, a Ukrainian license for missiles whose main parts were manufactured in Russia is less than nothing, but still.

When China purchased Su-27 and Su-30MKK fighters from Russia, they were equipped with short-range R-73 missiles and at least 400 medium- and long-range RVV-AE missiles - an export model of the Russian R-77 missile, in which the built-in active seeker freed the carrier aircraft from the need to constantly keep the target locked on by the radar until the missile hit. But China could also have received the improved R-77-1 missiles, which could have been transferred along with the purchase of Russian Su-35S fighters in 2015.

In general, Russian aid has been a great help to the Chinese military industry. The MiGs, which used to be the basis for the creation of Chinese fighters, have given way to the Su. And new Chinese aircraft were created on the basis of the Su-27. But it was never possible to completely clone the missiles, although the R-77 9V-1348 active radar seeker was built into the PL-12 missile, which ultimately helped China achieve approximate parity with Russian and American long-range weapons. This missile, which can be recognized by its pentagonal rear tail, has a range of 68 to 100 km depending on the model and can be quietly guided via a data link, without triggering the target's radar warning receiver, before switching to a "noisy" active seeker in the final phase of approach.

China has finally nailed a truly world-class short-range missile, the PL-10 (originally PL-ASR). It is in the same class as the American AIM-9X and the Russian R-74. Its key features include:
- 90-degree long-range sight (HOBS) targeting capability using a helmet-mounted sight. This means the pilot can turn his head to aim the missile instead of turning the entire aircraft to aim;
- the ability to block after launch via the data transmission channel;
- high maneuverability provided by engines with variable thrust vectoring;
- high resistance to overloads;
- the ability to conduct combat in all projections in relation to the enemy aircraft;
- False-signal-resistant infrared guidance system using a focal plane array and forced cooling;

Admittedly, the PL-10's claimed maximum range of 20 km is, however, below the 35-40 km of the AIM-9X and R-74.

But in any case, for a country where reverse engineering was the only way to replenish the ranks of the army with technology, this is undoubtedly a breakthrough.

But the "Great Leap Forward" factor of Chinese air-to-air missiles is really troubling many in the world. But what can you do if at the turn of the century several factors came together that allowed China not only to overtake the US in the field of air-to-air missile technology, but to significantly push it aside and puzzle it?

First and foremost, the Pentagon itself is to blame for this, having cut back on investment in air-to-air technology as it became preoccupied with counterinsurgency wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the development of stealth aircraft.

And, on the Chinese side, the defeat of Iraq's large ground army in 1991 by Western air power forced the PLA to try to follow a U.S.-style "network-centric" warfare strategy, in which dispersed platforms could pool sensor data and feed it to units launching guided weapons to maximize firepower.

China’s military industry increasingly offered technical capabilities, thanks to advances in the country’s growing commercial consumer electronics and communications sectors. This allowed China to outpace Russia in rapidly deploying AESA radars, combat drones, and digital networks. Combined with new early-warning aircraft and long-range missiles, these became essential links in forming a “kill chain” linking dispersed radars, SAMs, and munitions delivery systems.

In 2015, China first unveiled the PL-15, designed so that four nearly 4-metre-long missiles could fit into the weapons bay of the J-20 stealth fighter. Its two-stage engine is thought to give it a range of somewhere between 200 and 300 km, significantly longer than the US AIM-120D missile.


J-20 with open combat bay showing PL-15 and PL-10 missiles

In addition to the active radar homing system, the PL-15 retains a two-way data link and inertial and satellite navigation, making it easy to operate "stealthily" without detecting the launching fighter or alerting the target too late.

It is possible that the next-generation PL-X missile that China has begun to deploy is in fact just one of two streams of research and development. The PL-17 is currently a large (6 meters long) long-range missile that is believed to be in the 380-500 km class, but overall it is at least as good as the Russian R-37M.

But there have also been reports of the PL-21 missile being powered by a ramjet, similar to the European MBDA Meteor missile. The advantage of ramjets is that they are “regulated,” meaning they can slow down to increase range while still being able to accelerate to maximum speed in the terminal phase to increase the chances of a kill. However, a ramjet is more expensive and complex than a solid-fuel rocket engine.


Chinese J-16 fighter with a stretched PL-17 missile.

There are also unconfirmed claims that China is working on a compact PL-16 missile, supposedly combining the long-range capabilities of the PL-15 class with a smaller form factor than the short-range PL-10 missile. The goal is for the J-20 stealth fighter to be able to carry six PL-16s instead of the current four PL-10s or PL-15s.

Why are Chinese air-to-air missiles of such interest?

The air war in Ukraine’s skies since 2022 has largely been characterized by the dominant influence of ground-based air defenses, sharply limiting the use of manned aircraft on both sides. Meanwhile, air-to-air missiles (mostly fired from Russian aircraft from undetectable distances) account for a relatively smaller but significant share (around 11%) of Ukrainian air losses.

However, air-to-air missile capabilities would be important in any conflict with Taiwan, especially in preventing American warplanes from coming to Taiwan's aid. Interdicting any airborne aid would require Chinese fighters to patrol north, south, and especially east of Taiwan, beyond the reach of friendly land-based and perhaps even sea-based air defenses. But this is a distinct possibility, especially in light of the possible use of long-range missiles.

Well, in general, the better a country's air-to-air missiles are, the more you can rely on aircraft, and this primarily means that any air adversary, from a UAV to a strategic bomber, can be encountered far from the point where it drops its munitions.

After half a century of aggressively acquiring and repurposing foreign technology, China has developed a genuine indigenous missile capability and closed a serious technological gap with the US and Russian militaries. And it has done so against the will of the West and with the help of Russia, which, it should be noted, has shared its developments more generously and less mercenarily than any Western country.

Today, Russian aircraft and Chinese aircraft with a Russian character, armed with the same missiles in the service of the PLA, really represent a very weighty argument in any conflict, even in such a high-tech one as we are all seeing in Ukraine.

The war in Ukraine showed, first and foremost, that technological innovation is a very good thing, but it must be coupled with an evolution in training, tactics, and strategy, especially to fight as part of a joint force that fully exploits such technological capabilities. The air war over Ukraine, after all, demonstrated that air forces can do much worse or better than technology alone would suggest.

The bet that the former drug-addicted president of Ukraine and his General Staff made, yes, that same historical bet on a "miracle weapon" that would break the back of the Russian army, led to the fact that we are watching the front crumble. And those same long-awaited F-16s can do nothing with Russian missiles and aircraft that are practically smashing Ukraine's energy system into dust and broken bricks. Kyiv, buzzing in every way with gasoline generators, will not let you lie.

Chinese specialists are watching everything that is happening there very closely and are drawing roughly the same conclusions as everyone else in the world: the future of aviation is not in "dog fights" and battles at "pistol" distances (in aviation this is 20-40 km), but in work at great distances, from beyond the enemy's air defense, avoiding mobile ambushes. That is, with long-range missiles.

Russia was the first to cross the 200 km threshold for its air-to-air missiles, and China is clearly following the same course. And we have already written about what the Americans are doing, trying to catch up. The Sea Sparrow on the wing mount is more of a gesture of despair than a reasonable step.

And why is China's success so exciting? It's simple: China has long been supplying various weapons to those who do not have money for American and Russian ones, or today to those who are afraid of sanctions. And the Chinese have developed a very decent clientele in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East.

In general, it is not so important which missile, Russian or Chinese, launched from a Pakistani plane, will shoot down a Mirage or Rafale of the Indian Air Force. What is important is that it will be shot down. And this is primarily unpleasant for the manufacturers of equipment, who are now rushing to replace Russia on the international arms market. This is a reputational loss. This, in the end, will lead to the fact that no one will care about sanctions, because who will refuse modern weapons?

At one time, politicians of the two countries, the Soviet Union and China, committed many stupidities, practically breaking off relations between the countries. Today, interaction between the two countries has been established, at least, I am sure, the time is not far off when Russian and Chinese arms manufacturers will work together, as the Russians and Indians once worked.

China will never be able to replace Russia on the arms market, the Chinese lack too much in the country for that. But why not work as it was in the 50s of the last century?

The question is who will bite their elbows.
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  1. +2
    2 September 2024 06: 54
    Mao already understood that the USSR leadership had taken a course towards dismembering its own country in the late 50s. And he drew the right conclusions.

    And today, no one is going to stand on equal terms with such figures.
    Not only Chinese.

    In the PRC, where there have always been plenty of thieves and traitors, they have been able to deal with them for now.
    This is the main thing, not disputes like theological discourses about whether there is socialism in China or not.
    1. +5
      3 September 2024 00: 07
      Quote: ivan2022
      Mao already understood that the USSR leadership had taken a course towards dismembering its own country in the late 50s. And he drew the right conclusions.

      And what correct conclusions did Mao make?? Mao's PRC is millions of starvation deaths, very slow development and constant repression of millions. Mao is revered for China's independence and strengthening. Although this happened rather thanks to the help of the USSR. After Mao's death, Deng Xiaoping returned, who always criticized Mao's policy of "quick jumps" and it was he who made China what it is today. There has been no socialism in China since the late 70s, except maybe slogans on red posters and a party that is mistakenly still called communist. There is rather state capitalism there. Moreover, unlike the European social market economy, in the PRC there is nothing social at all, rather wild capitalism, with harsh exploitation of labor and the absence of rights and social guarantees for workers. So the USSR should have followed the path of the PRC, but not taken an example from Mao, but from Deng Xiaoping. Then none of the Soviet citizens would have known what a shortage of clothing, furniture, footwear, household appliances, food, etc. was, since small and medium businesses would have taken over all of this much more efficiently than the state apparatus. And the state apparatus would have been better off with more important and large-scale programs. And it was also important to reassess wages back then, which, by the way, still only causes anger when you see the salaries of doctors, teachers, professors and other highly qualified people whose work is both very important and at the same time not appreciated. It would have been possible to allow a certain level of wealth. Not millionaires, of course, but the opportunity for a person who created a successful shoe factory, furniture, etc. to live like a regional committee secretary. After all, everyone knows very well that there were rich people in the USSR, with a personal driver, servants and a mansion. But these were all members of the nomenklatura and generals. If you look at the USSR of the 70s now, you understand that it did not take much effort to create a truly prosperous state and system. Today, adopting China's experience no longer makes sense, since the Russian Federation is not the USSR of the 70s. Russia could, in general, overtake China quite quickly, but for this it needs access to the exchange of modern technologies, the dispersal of all state corporations and curbing the special services that stick their noses everywhere, which has already ruined many industries.
  2. 0
    2 September 2024 07: 08
    The world is talking more and more about Chinese weapons. Especially in American specialized publications, where everyone is seriously preparing for a war with China, God knows what for, but they are preparing.

    China has chosen the right development strategy.
    Despite the demographic mistakes, he brought the population to one and a half billion.
    By studying and copying the best examples of technology and weapons from other countries, he simply brought them to perfection in the same way that Soviet inventors and innovators brought factory models to perfection before they went into production.
    Thus, quantity began to turn into quality. And this is only over the last 70 years... Yes-yes-yes... Over the course of my life...
    Now the yuan is a reserve currency, and the ruble can be used to scrape dirt off shoes.
    But the liberals have chosen a special path for Russia, which is full of potholes, ruts, holes and ravines...
    And China is becoming a world power that depends on few people. And on the dollar too...
    And the subsoil there belongs to the people... And there are mistakes there...
    But all this does not prevent Xi from looking at Pu with a sense of obvious superiority and condescension.
    hi
    1. -6
      2 September 2024 08: 31
      Quote: ROSS 42
      and you can scrape dirt off your shoes with a ruble.

      Well, well...on shoes! In the 90s in the cities of the Far East bordering China, in the toilets of "Chinese" markets, cleaners often found Russian banknotes used as wiping paper!
      1. +1
        2 September 2024 14: 28
        Here is what Korzhakov wrote in his book about the habits of the so-called first president:
        However, Yeltsin still managed to get Dasha mad. One day she couldn't stand it and complained to me:

        - Comrade General, what should I do? Boris Nikolayevich stubbornly wipes himself in the toilet not with paper, but with face towels with the Russian coat of arms embroidered in gold. They are washed in a common machine, it is unhygienic. And they are expensive, and I am financially responsible...



        And Putin, the successor of his work, erects monuments to this eternally drunk scum, who killed a great country, killed millions of Russians with impunity, and builds expensive Yeltsin centers.
  3. +4
    2 September 2024 07: 15
    China will never be able to replace Russia on the arms market; the Chinese lack too many things in the country for this.
    That is, neither the seven-banker regime, nor drunkenness, nor the biathlon show-off - nothing held back the powerful forward movement of our military-scientific thought, right?
  4. +7
    2 September 2024 07: 52
    China will never be able to replace Russia in the arms market

    It already replaces. And the further, the more :((
    1. +5
      2 September 2024 11: 44
      Already replacing.

      If it doesn't replace it, then it seriously crowds out its traditional markets. And it will only get worse...
  5. +1
    2 September 2024 08: 55
    The AIM-9B was no less restrictive than the Soviet missile: it had to be aimed with extreme precision—within four degrees of the target—and directly behind the hot exhaust of an aircraft’s engine, so it was prohibited from being used against aircraft approaching head-on. It also had to be aimed away from the sun, which tended to throw missiles off course.
    Yoksel-moksel! Yes, these shortcomings (limitations) were typical for all first-generation RVVs with thermal homing heads! Moreover, this generation was mainly represented by "sidewinders" and their numerous "clones"! First-generation missiles did not have built-in coolant cylinders and were aimed at the rear "hemisphere"! "Sidewinders" began to aim at the front "hemisphere" after acquiring coolant cylinders!
  6. 0
    2 September 2024 09: 20
    Very interesting article. I liked it. Thanks to the author.
  7. +1
    2 September 2024 09: 31
    PL-2 missiles, a copy of the Soviet copy of the missile AIM-9 Sidewinder, are on display at the Military Museum of the Chinese People's Revolution

    author, in the caption to the 7th photo - there was a typo: AIM-9 Sidewinder is not a Soviet missile, I think
    1. 0
      2 September 2024 11: 47
      AIM-9 Sidewinder - Not a Soviet Missile


      copy of a soviet copy
  8. +3
    2 September 2024 11: 34
    Today, cooperation between the two countries has been established, at least, I am sure that the time is not far off when Russian and Chinese arms manufacturers will begin to work together....
    That is, looking at how the Chinese are now blackmailing us with their supplies in order to squeeze us into transferring hypersonic and ion technologies to them, how they are supplying drones to Ukraine, to claim that we are friends, you need to be very blurry (so as not to see reality).
  9. -2
    2 September 2024 12: 02
    Why not make a cruise missile with a turbojet engine that can deliver 3-4 smaller missiles that are already in service over a long distance?
    1. -1
      2 September 2024 14: 00
      And who will provide target designation for small missiles?
      1. -2
        2 September 2024 16: 32
        So this is a technical issue and there are several options. For example, a large rocket is guided by an airplane, and small ones have active heads.
        1. 0
          2 September 2024 19: 39
          For this purpose, they came up with the idea of ​​a "faithful follower".
          A re-entry UAV with missiles, controlled from an I-B or from an MFI.

          A non-returnable (disposable) large rocket with small rockets is not economically feasible.
          1. 0
            3 September 2024 14: 51
            Not everything in war is determined by economic gain. There are especially important targets, such as AWACS aircraft, and places from which there will be no return anyway....
    2. 0
      2 September 2024 23: 47
      The one called S-70?
  10. -2
    2 September 2024 12: 31
    Chinese military-technical rebranding with blatant copying gives its results for the military "muscles" of the country, but does not amaze the imagination... True, NATO military experts note that quantity is beginning to turn into quality of military equipment and its performance characteristics... But, there are areas in the production of weapons and military equipment, where without comprehending the "technological wisdom" to do something "at the level" is very, very difficult... And the Chinese have more than enough of such "pain points"... One of "them" is aircraft and rocket engines... Yes, they do not hide it, they invest huge amounts of money in THIS, but, for now, "alas and ah".... Russia, over the years of active construction of a "new life with European values" has lost - "squandered" that potential, that cooperative rigidity and connection in the military-industrial complex, which, to this day, affects the "flight of military-technical thought", the quality, diversity and timeliness of the appearance of new models of weapons and military equipment in the troops... And the dominance of "vertebrates" and other random people in the management of the economy - production - finance - aggravate the situation... But! There is hope that the "velvet perestroika" in Russia with the help of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation, the Special Services of the Russian Federation, our Supreme - will succeed... True, there is one serious and urgent issue, from which it is difficult to "fence oneself off", but the State and the Supreme will have to "turn to face" it - the issue of revival, breathing "new life" into it and supporting it in every possible way - STATE IDEOLOGY... Without which, as one of the fundamental parts, it is impossible to withstand the pressure of the West, to defend one's right to exist, to create powerful Armed Forces equipped with advanced military equipment... As a rule, states without ideology - are "back-up dancers" for the "powers that be", who strive to support and impose, in "dance ensembles" that ideology, which does not prevent the "powers that be" from living well and peacefully...
  11. +1
    2 September 2024 12: 36
    In our history there were three missiles - copies of American ones - K-13, K-13M and K-25.
    1. 0
      3 September 2024 18: 53
      Pavel57, yes, there were copies, but fortunately, all very successful... With copying, in the USSR, everything was somehow normal and copies often surpassed the "original source"... A striking example is the long-range bomber Tu-4 - a copy of the American B-29.... Flew further, higher, faster, the first in the world, had a remote control system...
  12. 0
    2 September 2024 13: 58
    China has already replaced Russia.
    Even Serbia has been buying Chinese weapons in recent years, even high-tech ones.
    Skomorokhov deliberately adds false and provocative texts to the text in order to get more responses.
    1. 0
      3 September 2024 19: 16
      Dear SovAr238A, China is still far from "replacing" Russia, by definition. Military "goods" in the "price - quality" segment, buyers who know a "sense" about these goods, try to buy from Russia, despite Chinese dumping and other eastern "goodies" ... Serbia is forced to take Chinese weapons due to the complete blockade of goods and equipment from Russia, dual-use ... Serbia has not been able to carry out scheduled repairs and upgrades of aircraft and missile systems, heavy armored vehicles, communications equipment, electronic warfare and electronic warfare for the third year ... And with Chinese weapons, their air defense, anti-aircraft missiles, modernization - NO PROBLEMS, so far ... And there is nothing "falsely provocative" in Skomorokhov's article, as you write, nothing ... He compiles the article from open source facts and presents HIS vision of the current situation developing on the arms market ... And you see THIS situation differently .... Something like this ...
  13. +1
    3 September 2024 08: 19
    Quote: SovAr238A
    China has already replaced Russia.
    Even Serbia has been buying Chinese weapons in recent years, even high-tech ones.
    Skomorokhov deliberately adds false and provocative texts to the text in order to get more responses.

    Rafali is an example of this.
  14. 0
    3 September 2024 23: 27
    Quote from nordscout
    Pavel57, yes, there were copies, but fortunately, all very successful... With copying, in the USSR, everything was somehow normal and copies often surpassed the "original source"... A striking example is the long-range bomber Tu-4 - a copy of the American B-29.... Flew further, higher, faster, the first in the world, had a remote control system...

    The K-25 was very successful. But the K-23 was better, and it was accepted into service.
  15. 0
    31 October 2024 15: 12
    不,作为中国人,俄罗斯的帮助相反的还没有乌克兰卖出的多
    Quote: karabas-barabas
    Quote: ivan2022
    Mao already understood that the USSR leadership had taken a course towards dismembering its own country in the late 50s. And he drew the right conclusions.

    And what correct conclusions did Mao make?? Mao's PRC is millions of starvation deaths, very slow development and constant repression of millions. Mao is revered for China's independence and strengthening. Although this happened rather thanks to the help of the USSR. After Mao's death, Deng Xiaoping returned, who always criticized Mao's policy of "quick jumps" and it was he who made China what it is today. There has been no socialism in China since the late 70s, except maybe slogans on red posters and a party that is mistakenly still called communist. There is rather state capitalism there. Moreover, unlike the European social market economy, in the PRC there is nothing social at all, rather wild capitalism, with harsh exploitation of labor and the absence of rights and social guarantees for workers. So the USSR should have followed the path of the PRC, but not taken an example from Mao, but from Deng Xiaoping. Then none of the Soviet citizens would have known what a shortage of clothing, furniture, footwear, household appliances, food, etc. was, since small and medium businesses would have taken over all of this much more efficiently than the state apparatus. And the state apparatus would have been better off with more important and large-scale programs. And it was also important to reassess wages back then, which, by the way, still only causes anger when you see the salaries of doctors, teachers, professors and other highly qualified people whose work is both very important and at the same time not appreciated. It would have been possible to allow a certain level of wealth. Not millionaires, of course, but the opportunity for a person who created a successful shoe factory, furniture, etc. to live like a regional committee secretary. After all, everyone knows very well that there were rich people in the USSR, with a personal driver, servants and a mansion. But these were all members of the nomenklatura and generals. If you look at the USSR of the 70s now, you understand that it did not take much effort to create a truly prosperous state and system. Today, adopting China's experience no longer makes sense, since the Russian Federation is not the USSR of the 70s. Russia could, in general, overtake China quite quickly, but for this it needs access to the exchange of modern technologies, the dispersal of all state corporations and curbing the special services that stick their noses everywhere, which has already ruined many industries.

    中间一度想阻止,但是已经晚了,中国苏联交恶,国际封锁,再加着全国干旱,苏联趁火打劫逼着中国还债。一系列原因导致饿死很多人,中国领导人决策错误,但是也与苏联趁火打劫有关。