Russia and Georgia: traps from "well-wishers"

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After the Georgian president, together with the political party he led, failed in the parliamentary elections, certain changes appeared in Georgia’s political arena. Bidzina Ivanishvili came to the fore, who occupied the premiership, namely, according to the recently undertaken constitutional changes in Georgia, is now considered the main one in the state.

It is quite natural that after the hopeless anti-Russian rhetoric of Mikhail Saakashvili, in Russia itself, the mere fact that Saakashvili was somewhat pushed into the background caused a certain revival, which gave a completely unambiguous positive. The positive diminished somewhat after the new head of the Georgian Cabinet of Ministers again reminded of Georgia’s foreign policy priorities, among which productive relations with Russia, if not, were far from the first, and not even the secondary roles. In addition, the new Georgian government immediately outlined the principles by which Georgia would begin a dialogue with the Russian authorities. In fact, these principles can be called the Georgian ultimatum: they say, if official Moscow wants to renew partnership with official Tbilisi, then let them first fulfill our conditions. The conditions are simple: refuse to recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and you will be happy ...

After such conditions, it seemed that relations between Russia and Georgia would again be plunged into the abyss of mutual reproaches, claims and systematic demarches. However, what happened next showed a slightly different picture. The visit to Moscow of the Catholicos-Patriarch of All Georgia Ilia II; short-term, but still, contact at one of the international events of the Russian and Georgian prime ministers, reaching agreements on eliminating barriers in bilateral trade, an agreement on the possible easing of the visa regime for Georgian citizens wishing to enter Russia. In general, as the hero of a famous work said: “The ice has broken.”

On the one hand, all this political and commercial ice-breaker leads to positive thoughts. After all, the endless confrontation between the Russian and Georgian peoples clearly does not benefit either Russia, or Georgia, or stability in the Caucasus region as a whole. However, in such a progressive and cautious rapprochement between Russia and Georgia, with a closer look at it, one can also see the pitfalls. And these stones are primarily concerned with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which today show a heightened interest in Russian-Georgian contacts. Why show? Yes, if only because both in Tskhinvali and Sukhumi any attempts at rapprochement between Moscow and Tbilisi are painful. And you can understand South Ossetia and Abkhazia. On the lips of politicians, both in that and in the other state, the dumb question stood still: do you not throw it at all? .. And the question is well-founded. Modern politics is an ambiguous thing, that's why they ask. It is not that they suspect something, they are simply interested in their future fate, which, to be honest, is solely in the firmness of the position of Russia.

So, in order for the allied states (Abkhazia and South Ossetia) to somewhat calm down after the manifested contacts between Moscow and Tbilisi, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia Sergey Lavrov had to take part in the matter personally. The head of the foreign ministry directly (which is not typical of diplomats in principle) stated that the Russian Federation is ready to cooperate with the Georgian side in absolutely any areas, but in order to bring the positions of Moscow and Tbilisi closer, they never sacrifice independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

As can be seen, the Russian Foreign Ministry gives an unequivocal assurance to its Abkhaz and South Ossetian partners that some warming of relations between Russia and Georgia will not affect the once accomplished, namely, recognition of the independence of the two North Caucasian republics.

However, in Georgia itself, about the words of Sergei Lavrov, they have already expressed their answer: never, they say, never speak. After all, if “never”, then why then does a whole ministry work in Georgia - the ministry for the reintegration of Georgia, headed by a gentleman like Paata Zakareishvili?

So what can we expect from the emerging timid rapprochement between Moscow and Tbilisi, both in Russia itself and in South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
If you focus on the words of Sergei Lavrov, it turns out that the only possible development of events for the new Georgian leadership is the building of relations with the Russian Federation without taking into account its recognition of the independence of the mentioned states. In other words, if you want - trade, if you want - come to visit, you want - accept guests, but just forget about the return game with recognition of independence. This position clearly adds geopolitical points to Russia and at the same time shows that Georgia, no matter how close it considers itself NATO, the European Union or the United States, is simply not able to put pressure on the Russian position today.

It is obvious that the role of a state finally and irrevocably "forced to peace" will no longer suit the authorities in Tbilisi. What then is left to the authorities themselves to do? And they, by and large, there are only two options. Option one: to flap your wings, pretending that they are set up to solve the South Ossetian and Abkhaz issues, and gradually make confused contacts with Russia under this shop (imitation of rapid reintegration activity). Option two: try again and again to attract the world community to the fact that, say, it's time for the “invaders” to come to reason (in fact, an option that ultimately implies a new military adventure in the region).

Naturally, the first option today suits everyone: both Russia, and South Ossetia, and Abkhazia, and even Georgia itself. But he is not satisfied, for example, with large overseas democratizers. After all, then they will have to sign that they have lost their party in Georgia ...

Russia understands that Tbilisi simply does not want to lose face for the second time (for the first time it lost 08.08.08 thanks to one well-known politician who still holds the presidency in Georgia), and therefore it is necessary to play along somehow. Like, we understand your concerns, we understand the need for a whole separate ministry, we understand that Zakareishvili also needs to pay a salary for something (he wants to eat with his family too), and therefore, for God's sake, rush to the public as much as you want . The main thing is to feel the idea that the independence of Abkhazia, together with South Ossetia, has already, let's say, been played.

Is the second option possible? Well, in the condition that “progressive democratizers” demonstrate today, they themselves are not able to deal with the preliminary results of their attempts in North Africa and the Middle East, the probability of a new military intervention is close to zero. Ivanishvili does not look like a complete, sorry, idiot, to once again repeat mistakes like those that showed themselves in August of 2008. But on the other hand, who will ask Ivanishvili? - this time, and why military intervention? - these are two.

Here we must not lose sight of the fact that certain forces of Georgia are making, let's say, alternative attempts to get closer to resolving the issue. One of these areas of "bypass" was the use of so-called soft people's diplomacy. It seems like contacts at the highest level are impossible, but at the regional level it is quite possible to contact.
The realization of this thought resulted in a rather strange visit of the Georgian delegation to North Ossetia, which in Russia went almost unnoticed. In the second decade of February, Georgian delegates arrived from Tbilisi to Vladikavkaz, who, as stated in North Ossetia itself, had nothing to do with the official Georgian authorities. Well, they didn’t, they didn’t have that ... And what was the purpose of the visit, and who organized this visit at all?

It turned out that the invitation to the Georgian social activists was "sent out" by the head of the non-profit organization Caucasian Partnership, Mr. Silaev. According to him, the trip of the Georgian delegation to North Ossetia (and later to Dagestan) is connected with the fact that the Georgian side will better know what is happening in the Russian North Caucasus, and the Russian North Caucasus will better know what is happening in Georgia.

Despite the fact that the Georgian delegation did not represent any of the members of the official authorities, they were met by very official persons: the chief federal inspector for the Republic of North Ossetia - Alania Andrei Bessonov, representatives of the regional Ministry for Nationalities Affairs.

They discussed the problems that led to the deterioration of Russian-Georgian relations, about the situation in South Ossetia (who would doubt). And everything seems to have passed in a rather benevolent situation, but only the fact that Georgian public activists discussed the topic of South Ossetia in North Ossetia without the participation of at least one representative of Tskhinvali raises certain questions.
I do not want to build unjustified suspicions, but ...

A further trip by a group of Georgian social activists headed by a public activist of the Moscow bottling raises no less questions. The delegation after visiting Vladikavkaz and Beslan departed for Makhachkala. Here at a press conference held, Georgian experts stated that the purpose of their visit was to overcome the crisis situation between Russia and Georgia. The goal is good. But only foreign news agencies managed to link the visit of the Georgian delegation with the speeches of the Protestants in the North Caucasus (including Dagestan), who marked the next sad day of the deportation of the Chechen people to Siberia and North Kazakhstan. And they also remembered that a couple of years ago Georgia recognized the genocide of the Circassian people from Russia ...

Whether the visit of the Georgian delegation itself is connected with protest actions is difficult to say. But in the end it turned out that the trip of the Georgian delegation to the southern regions of Russia turned as certain forces wanted outside of Russia: the delegates seemed to support protest moods that were allegedly in full swing among the Chechen and Circassian population of the Russian North Caucasus. Very colorful about the protest rallies (against what? ..) in the south of Russia is painted by such an organization as The Jamestown Foundation. According to the statements of this organization, thousands of Chechens living in the territory of Dagestan literally demand from the authorities that they be sure to be returned to where their ancestors were deported from. At the same time, the authors of the materials did not bother to explain to their democratic readers, but what prevents the “dissatisfied” from returning to these very places on their own? .. But the goal is not this, but to inform: the Russian authorities continue to oppress the Caucasian peoples and Georgia is trying to help its “Caucasian brothers” here as it can ...

In this situation, one thing becomes clear: even if the current Georgian authorities abandon their attempts to once again destabilize the situation in the Caucasus, the world who want to do this will not diminish. The Jamestown Foundation, which broadcasts from Washington and "knows" about the problems of the Circassians and Chechens, like Mikhail Saakashvili, everything is a vivid example.

That is why when talking about what position official Tbilisi occupies in Russia, you need to look, and is there no one behind him? .. And is this “someone” ready to contact Tbilisi at all? It is in the presence of foreign forces interested in destabilization in the region that the main stumbling block in bilateral relations between Russia and Georgia lies
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  1. +1
    4 March 2013 09: 25
    Be that as it may, Georgia will never give up claims to Abkhazia and South Ossetia ... It’s clear that Saakashvili’s card is broken, but there are still quite a few politicians who will take his place ... The odious policy will stop, but attempts not to be washed so skating to return the territory will be repeated and repeated.
    I understand the concerns of both Sukhumi and Tskhinvali ... And the concerns are justified ... Alas, we become too powerful, too great and too smart ... Political interests can be decisive ... And then the repetition of 08 and the destruction of new countries ...
    1. +3
      4 March 2013 09: 37
      Quote: domokl
      The odious policy to stop, but attempts not to wash the territory so much by skating will be repeated and repeated.
      Greetings to Alexander. I’m wondering, while Russia has the opportunity to put pressure on Georgia economically, do you think they will be solved? It was not in vain that Saak jumped so when our proud Aibolit arrived from the SES. I don’t think that after the conditions have been softened, they will jump on neighbors who are actually under the tutelage of Russia.
      1. 0
        4 March 2013 10: 00
        Quote: Mechanic
        they will jump on neighbors who are actually under the tutelage of Russia.
        It seems to me that now, after the Americans got into their own networks, Georgia will act differently ...
        First you need to knock out a chair from under the RF legally .. That is. conclude any agreements with South Ossetia and Abkhazia so that the Russian peacekeepers leave ...
        The next step should be economic integration ... Be that as it may, the ties have remained and the connections are deep ... So you need to adopt some kind of laws on benefits for South Ossetia and Abkhazia in the Georgian market ...
        The third step is also obvious, the election of pro-Georgian presidents .. What with the development of economic relations will not be so difficult ..
        And there already is a voluntary entry into the structure ... Russia remains with a nose ...
        So I think there will no longer be a direct intrusion ...
        1. +5
          4 March 2013 10: 07
          Quote: domokl
          ..Those. conclude any agreements with South Ossetia and Abkhazia so that the Russian peacekeepers leave ...

          it’s not even possible to discuss, it’s not possible. The influence of Russia in South Ossetia and Abkhazia is too great and they fought for their independence for a very long time.
          Quote: domokl
          The next step should be economic integration.

          Georgian market what does this exist?
          Quote: domokl
          The third step is also obvious - the election of pro-Georgian presidents.

          And who will choose him, Ossetians laughing
          Quote: domokl
          And there already is a voluntary entry into the structure ... Russia remains with a nose ..

          Sasha, what plans in Washington just did not develop, how much dough swelled. And the result was independence hi
          1. -1
            4 March 2013 10: 30
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The influence of Russia in South Ossetia and Abkhazia is too great
            Alas, Sash, not everything is as simple as it was 4 years ago ... Then we unequivocally supported, and now there are already promises that sharp corners still remained ...
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Georgian market what does this exist?
            There is also quite extensive for small states ...
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And who will choose him, Ossetians
            It’s the Ossetians ... Do you really think that the Ukrainian situation, for example, was made by Americans or Russians? Only by the Ukrainians themselves ... In the same way, it is possible to hold correctly elections and put some pro-Russian Yanukovych in South Ossetia (and after all, all Ukrainians were sure that he is pro-Russian) ...
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            what plans in Washington just did not develop, how much dough swelled. and the result was independence
            You know, there used to be a joke ... A conversation between two scouts — Soviet and American .. Soviet — Do you remember how we made you in Cuba? ... Amer-I remember, cool ... Nash- And in eastern Europe ...? AMER Yeah ...
            And then ... Do you remember Vanya how we shook you in Chile? .. Our scratch was scratched .. And when was that? .._ Yes in 73, in September ..._ AAA, so we were on potatoes then .. .
            1. +2
              4 March 2013 10: 46
              Quote: domokl
              , and now there are already promises that sharp corners still remained ...

              What kind of corners are such that Russia would be thrown out and who can do it now?
              Quote: domokl
              It is the Ossetians.

              I will say this, it’s hard for me to imagine how the Ossetians will run to vote for the pro-Georgian president. There is too much blood, even there can be no question.
              Quote: domokl
              ._AAA, so we were on potatoes then ...

              And even very close! Economically, Russia can now oust anyone, even the United States with its problems. Georgia is nothing without support and it will not solve anything, even with support. hi
              1. 0
                4 March 2013 11: 03
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I will say this, it’s hard for me to imagine how the Ossetians will run to vote for the pro-Georgian president. There is too much blood, even there can be no question.
                And you read again what I wrote wink When the Ukrainians chose Yanukovych, everyone, including you and I were sure that he was pro-Russian ... And they got what?
                A competently conducted election campaign and the people are deep in the ass ... laughing
                1. +1
                  4 March 2013 11: 14
                  Quote: domokl
                  When the Ukrainians chose Yanukovych, everyone, including you and I were sure that he was pro-Russian ... And they got what?

                  Yanek has two parallels, East and West of Ukraine with directly opposite views. There is no such thing in Abkhazia or Ossetia! Plus, almost the entire economy of these countries rests on Russia, what can Georgia give them economically? Nothing, they are heavily in debt. One showcase in the form of Tbilisi, and behind it all the same 90s.
                  Quote: domokl
                  Properly conducted election campaign and the people are deep in the ass

                  A company may be competent, but behind the slogans there should be investments, jobs and a good salary with a pension. Look at what salaries and pensions are in Georgia. All that can be gained from integration into Georgia is a miserable existence hi
                2. +2
                  4 March 2013 16: 32
                  Dear colleague Alexander, you do not underestimate the mentality of the Abkhazians and South Ossetians. Back in Soviet times, cheaters (to put it mildly) were hostile towards Georgians. Something similar was among the Ossetians. It was not only official Tbilisi, but also at the household level.
                  Yes, and in general, Georgia is a patchwork. There are many nationalities that do not consider themselves Georgians, although this nationality is written in the passport. But those who consider themselves true Georgians - however paradoxical it is, are in the minority.
                  In the Caucasus, shed blood is remembered for a long time. A few generations will be gone before this wound heals.
                  Notice, in both Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Georgian enclaves are isolated. Ossetians and Abkhazians hardly live there. And this is no coincidence. It will take quite a few decades before we can talk about the possibility of some kind of rapprochement of these republics with Georgia, and even that is most likely at the level of trade relations, communication between ordinary people, transport and energy communications.
        2. 0
          4 March 2013 19: 02
          ____ The Kent has a kind of "dacha" in Abkhazia, and he goes there every year. And as he says, the attitude of Abkhazians towards Georgians can be described in two words: paranoia and hatred. I have no doubt that Ossetians experience the same feelings, only even stronger ones. So your scenario is not feasible in the next two generations.
  2. Government
    +1
    4 March 2013 09: 37
    I believe that diplomatic affairs cannot be had with them, only force should be directed in their direction from the side of the Russian Federation! If Russia will babysit everyone ... there will be CHAOS! Where is the experienced power of the USSR ???????
    1. +1
      4 March 2013 10: 06
      Quote: Gouvernement
      If Russia will babysit everyone ... there will be CHAOS! Where is the experienced power of the USSR ???????
      The power of the USSR remained in the USSR laughing ..And the force? A simple question arises, why is the force for? Any action should be for the sake of some goals .. And what goals can we pursue by using force against Georgia? Capture? Destruction? Change of regime?
      Just rattling weapons is quite an expensive pleasure ...
      1. Government
        0
        4 March 2013 10: 14
        stop having diplomatic relations and stop exporting foodstuffs, where Russia supplies Georgia with 99,9% of all the foodstuffs they have, and at whose expense it lives, they have everything there cheaply and there is nothing from production except their rotten Borjomi vodka .. .......
        1. +1
          4 March 2013 10: 35
          Quote: Gouvernement
          except for their rotten water Borjomi.

          laughing Vodichka belongs to the Russian aligarch ... Russia does not supply Georgia with food .. Yes, and there are no diplomatic relations with 08 of the year ...
          Those. all that you offer now is ... And what have we achieved?
          And business has the right to do whatever it wants at its discretion, if this does not contradict the law ... If it cannot be delivered from Russia, then why not from Ukraine? And business is international
          1. AndreyAB
            0
            5 March 2013 07: 23
            You forget that Russia supplies Georgia with electricity and gas and didn’t stop doing it even during the period of enforcement of peace, chop off these two factors and the issue can actually be resolved, but business is business and people’s blood is indifferent to it, Georgia puffs, showing itself so powerful an independent state, but in fact it has long been under the United States and depending on almost all the major neighboring countries - this is far from being a self-sufficient country, that's why you shouldn’t cherish relations with it and it’s time to prioritize relations, or we’ll give them wine agreed and borzh, choking Russia without this?
  3. +3
    4 March 2013 09: 49
    even if the current Georgian authorities abandon attempts to once again destabilize the situation in the Caucasus, then there will not be a decrease in the number of those wishing to do this.

    You can’t say better. The peaceful Caucasus, in the plans of the world behind the scenes, most likely does not appear. You just need to prepare for new, more sophisticated provocations.
  4. fenix57
    +6
    4 March 2013 09: 50
    , "... if official Moscow wants to renew partner relations with official Tbilisi, then let it first fulfill our conditions ..."- yes in the end the end (sorry for the tautology) these blah "conditions". From Kazakhstan - conditions; from Takzhikistan - conditions; from Ukraine - conditions. And not doh..na-whether they think about sebe.Chto and WHO RUSSIA. Or maybe close the border ... and fuck ... whatever you want(joke of humor). hi
    1. Alikovo
      +2
      4 March 2013 10: 26
      I agree one set of conditions for us: Kazakhs require more fees for baikonur, Tajiks have better conditions for their workers' pay (we will return them to their homeland they will start a civil war), Ukraine asks to reduce the cost of gas (although all countries pay the same). angry
    2. 0
      4 March 2013 16: 46
      Extremely politically incorrect statement. The liberals will eat you. And the moneybags who have income from migrant workers, too. I LIKE THIS.
  5. imperiologist
    +10
    4 March 2013 10: 25
    Comrade Stalin would be very surprised at the actions of his fellow countrymen. I am sure that he would solve this problem in one day!
    1. Gari
      +1
      5 March 2013 01: 13
      In Siberia, everyone would have a place
  6. The cat
    -6
    4 March 2013 11: 34
    "After the Georgian president, together with the political party he leads, failed in the parliamentary elections ..."

    85 to 65 seats in parliament is far from a failure, as the author would not like. Offensive defeat - yes, but not a failure. In the next election, Saakashvili will have a very good chance to lead Georgia again, because Ivanishvili’s ratings began to decline immediately after his election.
    1. +4
      4 March 2013 11: 39
      Quote: Elgato
      Saakashvili will have a very good chance of heading Georgia again in the next election

      Until the next election he still needs to live, and preferably at large laughing
      Though you go to the Georgian saits, who supports Saku there ........... wassat
      1. +4
        4 March 2013 13: 59
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Until the next election he still needs to live, and preferably at large


        Here's another example of how he made himself a clown.

        -Georgia and Azerbaijan face a real threat of destabilization, and this threat comes from Russia. This statement was made by Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili at the Tbilisi airport on his return from Azerbaijan in the evening of February 28. The deputy head of the presidential administration of Azerbaijan, the head of the department of foreign relations, Novruz Mammadov, said yesterday that it is difficult to express an unequivocal attitude to the statement, since what has been said is surprising.
        Details here

    2. 0
      4 March 2013 15: 31
      Quote: Elgato
      Saakashvili will have a very good chance of heading Georgia again in the next election

      laughing

      Sahak and his election campaign in the following elections:
    3. AndreyAB
      0
      5 March 2013 07: 27
      Yes, to lead Georgia and take revenge on the next war, only then there is the opportunity to sit, and the war should only be victorious, otherwise Sir Saakashvili will go bankrupt, and the Georgian people are ready to fight for the president’s ambitions and not for common sense and a really prosperous country, if so good luck.
  7. The cat
    -1
    4 March 2013 13: 46
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Until the next election he still needs to live and preferably at large laughing.
    Though you go to the Georgian saits, who supports Saku there ........... wassat

    The enthusiasm for Georgian resources after the victory of "Georgian Dream" has noticeably diminished. In 4 years there will be even fewer of them. So Mishiko's chances will be more than real. And about freedom, then who will put him in prison ...
  8. 0
    4 March 2013 13: 56
    If Moscow "merges" the former Georgian autonomies, what will it entail?
    - I won’t say for Ossetia, and Abkhazia of Georgia will be too tough, it’s a war again
    - Nobody will believe Russia anymore, never, under any circumstances

    Does Moscow need this? ”“ NO! ”- therefore, to be our dear genealogy without former autonomies, to mutter before the elections about our intentions to return what was lost, sometimes to clatter our teeth (before forgetting to insert a mouth guard), and nothing more.
  9. Oleleg
    -5
    4 March 2013 14: 47
    Only damage is Russia supporting South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Russia does not derive any dividends from this support.
    1. +1
      4 March 2013 15: 34
      Quote: OleOleg
      Only damage is Russia supporting South Ossetia and Abkhazia.


      ABOUT! GEOSTRATEG ?! belay


      Quote: OleOleg
      Russia does not derive any dividends from this support.


      Oh really?

      expand more, please ...
      1. Oleleg
        +1
        4 March 2013 17: 32
        If you are a strategist, tell us what we GOT? I will listen.
        1. -1
          4 March 2013 20: 47
          Quote: OleOleg
          Tell us what we GOT? I will listen.


          Do you always answer a question with a question?
          1. Oleleg
            +1
            4 March 2013 21: 27
            I expressed my opinion, you did not give arguments in defense of your opinion, although you expressed disagreement. What should I answer? There are no arguments on your part, just as in the comments below
            1. 0
              5 March 2013 12: 30
              Quote: OleOleg
              I expressed my opinion


              Oleleg

              Dear, learn to read carefully:


              Quote: OleOleg
              Russia does not derive any dividends from this support.

              Quote: Karlsonn
              Oh really?

              expand more, please ...


              you ignored my question and in reply:

              Quote: OleOleg
              If you are a strategist, tell us what we GOT? I will listen.


              I’m hinting

              Quote: Karlsonn
              Do you always answer a question with a question?



              Quote: OleOleg
              You did not give arguments in defense of your opinion, although you expressed disagreement.


              in order to reasonably discuss, I asked you to expand your point of view.


              Quote: OleOleg
              What should I answer? There are no arguments on your part, just as in the comments below


              hmm what on this I will probably end for wassat Efficiency is lower than that of a locomotive.
  10. +1
    4 March 2013 15: 58
    The only question is that Russia has so far nothing to offer A and South Ossetia for the future. When NATO bombed Serbia they promised the EU. And what can we promise? By logic, Ossetians can promise the unification of the North and the South ... But will there be enough courage? And what to promise Abkhazia? Customs Union?
    1. +3
      4 March 2013 17: 37
      Quote: abc_alex
      The only question is that Russia has so far nothing to offer A and South Ossetia for the future.


      ... February 17 1810 of the year Abkhazia became part of Russia, although, of course, if Abkhazia had been part of Georgia at that time, why didn’t it become part of Russia along with the metropolis, so to speak? Until 1864 in the Principality of Abkhazia, the so-called self management. That is, the Principality of Abkhazia from 1810 to 1864 for a year was part of the Russian Empire on the basis of autonomy and lasted as such longer than others in the Caucasus.

      From 1864 to 1917, Abkhazia was directly subordinate to the Russian administration in the Caucasus (1864-1883 as the "Sukhumi Department", 1883-1917 as the "Sukhumi District") ...

      ... At the end of the eighteenth century, four years earlier than the Kakheti principality, Orthodox Ossetia voluntarily became part of the Russian Empire. Then Russia included Imereti, Mingrel, Svan principalities, etc. The process of entry of these principalities, of which Georgia today consists, stretched for as many as 40 years ....

      Russia has something to offer! Like many years ago.


      Quote: abc_alex
      But is there enough courage?

      wink
  11. candy bar140105
    +1
    4 March 2013 19: 57
    ololo Oleg, do not listen to us, in your case you just need to be silent and not write any nonsense .........
    1. Oleleg
      0
      4 March 2013 21: 29
      Refute my nonsense, at least ONE argument!
  12. George
    +3
    4 March 2013 20: 30
    Monkey God,
    When I read your post, I almost turned upside down from outrage, I even specifically registered on this site so that no one would believe in this, forgive me, nonsense. I don’t know what is in Abkhazia, but Yu. Ossetians are in very good relations with Georgians. I am Ossetian myself, and believe me, I know. There is not a single family in Georgia where Ossetians were not a relative, there is not a single family in South Ossetia that Georgians were not a relative. Even when I was in Georgia this summer, at one of Ivanishvili’s rallies, the Ossetians came to the podium (100% are not fraud, we even approached them to express regrets about the deceased relatives, they told us the same Ossetian story) and regretted the fact that this war happened, it could be said ... a civil war. Of course, one Georgian person, both Georgians and Ossetians really hate ... I think you understand who I mean, I don’t even want to write his name. Well, in general, somehow. Do not be mistaken.
    1. +2
      4 March 2013 20: 59
      Quote: george
      Yu. Ossetians in very good relations with Georgians

      especially after Tskhinval.



      Quote: george
      I am Ossetian myself, and believe me, I know


      --- I look thoughtfully at the nickname ---


      Quote: george
      and regretted that this war had happened, it could be said ... a civil war.


      thickly troll stop

      Ossetians with arms in their hands defend their independence - what the hell is a civil war? For Georgia, it may be so, for Ossetia 08.08.08 an attack and an attempt to occupy a neighboring state.
      registered in vain No.
  13. wax
    0
    5 March 2013 00: 48
    Putin will not retreat under any circumstances.
  14. Gari
    +1
    5 March 2013 01: 23
    I myself live in Armenia, but very often I visit my beloved Georgia, all this nonsense about hatred between Georgians and Ossetians, Abkhazians, I have a lot of friends among them, all this is beneficial for politicians to sit at the trough and rule, but ordinary people need as before live close to work peacefully.
    My comrades, Mingrelian-Georgian refugees from Abkhazia themselves complained that they did something stupid to hold the rulers from Tbilisi who brought troops into Abkhazia and went against the Abkhazians, but they had to take off together and still lived in their houses, still since hope do not lose return, the same with the Ossetians.
    They lived in Georgia during the war and now live both Ossetians and Abkhazians.
  15. +3
    5 March 2013 06: 56
    Dear Georgians!

    You are smart people. Here judge for yourself. Between the Great Nations - Georgia is like a hare between elephants and buffaloes. You are a little gape - and Turkey will devour you .. or Iran. And for America, you are like a rag. Take advantage and give up. For them, people are like flies. For loot, they urinate their citizens .. finally without emotion.
    And what are Georgians for them ????
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    And only in the Russian Empire, and in the USSR, Georgia lived serene and happy. Saw Kakheti .. or Ketsmarauli .. won football European cups. Developed its culture ..
    Many brilliant Georgians knew both Russia and Georgia.
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    And now the main thing. The son of the Georgian people - Joseph Stalin became the lord of the half-world. And probably the greatest politician and commander in the last 500 years.
    But this became possible only in a single family with Russia!

    This will not happen again .. Now the "greatest" Georgian will not become bigger than Saakashvili ..
    Do you understand well? Do you understand what opportunities are lost forever ??
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    If I said something wrong .. Please .. Correct me.
  16. Pere lachaise
    0
    5 March 2013 19: 06
    It would be much more beneficial for Georgia to change not the government, but ideology. For example, neutrality. Do we need Georgia? Yes, I think not. Russia has many wealth. And we can import tangerines from other countries. If they wanted an independent state, they got an independent state. Moreover, even as a fruit is not at all his struggle. Rejoice in silence. We do not notice you.