Why Brezhnev's reign is called the "period of stagnation"

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Why Brezhnev's reign is called the "period of stagnation"

The so-called "period of stagnation" in the USSR (around 1964-1985) was a time of slowdown in the country's socio-economic development while maintaining relative stability in the political sphere. This stage in stories Our state is often associated with the rule of Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, who led the Soviet Union from 1964 until his death in 1982.

Brezhnev came to power after Nikita Khrushchev was ousted in October 1964. His rule began on a wave of stabilization following the "Khrushchev thaw," which was characterized by reforms and liberalization. However, by the late 1960s, the country was already facing economic difficulties. Despite significant efforts to maintain a high standard of living and stability, the Soviet Union gradually began to lag behind Western countries in technology and production.



The Soviet Union's economy at that time continued to be based on a planned system, and although its growth was steady during the first years of Brezhnev's rule, by the mid-1970s signs of stagnation had already begun to appear. The rate of production growth began to decline along with a decline in labor efficiency. This was due, in particular, to errors in centralized planning, a high level of bureaucracy, and a lack of incentives for innovation.

Not everything was smooth in the social sphere either. The moral state of society was deteriorating. In the 1970s, censorship and restrictions on freedom of speech and creativity increased, which caused a feeling of apathy and disappointment among many citizens. At the same time, despite official statements about the "flourishing socialist society", a significant part of the population faced a shortage of essential goods.

By the mid-1970s, the Soviet Union had reached the apogee of its influence in the international arena. Under Brezhnev's leadership, the USSR actively participated in the policy of détente in relations with the United States and other Western countries. However, after 1979, with the onset of the the war In Afghanistan, international tensions have once again increased. The conflict, along with huge military expenditures, has put additional pressure on the country's economy, exacerbating already growing domestic problems.

By the 1980s, it was clear that the country was in crisis. The economy continued to stagnate, and social problems worsened. Brezhnev, who by this time was in poor health, could not effectively govern the country, which led to an even worsening of the situation.


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  1. +4
    30 August 2024 14: 40
    I read that Kosygin said that serious reforms of the USSR economy were needed, but his ideas were brushed aside, and in the end, time was lost.
    1. +12
      30 August 2024 14: 43
      There were many reasons, I don't want to go into details now. But people started living better under Brezhnev.
      1. +3
        30 August 2024 15: 09
        I agree, it was calm, there was stability and confidence in the future! There weren't so many grabbers and thieves in power!
        1. +4
          30 August 2024 16: 30
          There have never been so many grabbers and thieves in power!

          Shchelokov, Nikolai Anisimovich.
          "Fish business" in the USSR
          The case of the director of the grocery store "Eliseevsky"
          Cotton business

          Down below, at the level of ordinary citizens
          "Smugglers" in the USSR (memories of contemporaries)
          https://von-hoffmann.livejournal.com/932445.html

          The collapse of the system was inevitable. And it began with a fight against bureaucracy, saying that middle managers were to blame and so it went

          Our hearts require change
          Our eyes require change
          In our laughter, and in our tears, and in the pulsation of veins
          Change, we are waiting for change
          1. +3
            30 August 2024 16: 33
            https://von-hoffmann.livejournal.com/932445.html

            Referring to this character is bad manners in polite society.
            1. +5
              30 August 2024 16: 44
              Referring to this character is bad manners in polite society.

              I was looking for material about thieves, petty theft in production, I read the first paragraphs and didn’t find any particular seditiousness.
            2. +3
              1 September 2024 00: 23
              I don't need to refer to anyone like that. At that time I lived at a completely conscious age. I am 68 years old.
              And the fishing business in our region has entered an active phase.
              The first arrest was on the border of the Kaluga and Moscow regions. Right at the stele on the border of the regions. From one van of the Zhuk or Nysa type, goods were being transferred to another similar one.
              That's when it all began.
              Now the scale is simply fantastic, but it all started back then. And everyone was reading the details of Ivanov and Gdlyan's investigation. And now no one knows who they are.
          2. -1
            30 August 2024 17: 26
            Speaking of grabbers. Timur's case. Of course, there are no Nesons now, so what can a manager take away a sofis?
            So, in your opinion, the system has collapsed?
            1. +2
              30 August 2024 18: 26
              Now of course there are no sleepers, well what can a manager take away a sofis.

              For every merchandiser there is a surveyor. Production as such is still breathing, which means there is something to grab and do something for home, for the family on factory equipment.
              So, in your opinion, the system has collapsed?

              "Russia as a state of Russians has no historical perspective." E. Gaidar
              https://rg.ru/2013/12/13/gaidar-site.html
              1. 0
                14 September 2024 15: 51
                Leadership is of great importance; under Stalin, Russia as a state of Russians had historical prospects, and Hitler is a witness to this; under the Gaidars, alas, the prospects disappeared.
            2. +1
              8 September 2024 05: 34
              Now of course there are no sleepers, well what can a manager take away a sofis.

              Now "stealers" are far from being the main problem. For a number of reasons. Firstly, the stealers stole small amounts, pennies, while, say, the generals from the Ministry of Defense stole billions (if not trillions).
              Secondly, in the era of general shortages, stolen goods were easy to sell, but now try to find a buyer when sellers are bending over backwards just to sell something.
              As an example, I will cite the car factory twice. Even under Yeltsin, I visited AvtoVAZ several times on business trips. Back then, auto parts were in terrible shortage. You couldn't buy anything in the stores. In Tolyatti, there was simply a huge black market for parts. It served the entire USSR. They dragged huge quantities in different ways (from each - as much as possible, to each - as needed). I just laughed when at the checkpoint they took me aside and began to search me with a metal detector, although the guard saw perfectly well from my pass that I was on a business trip. Meanwhile, thousands of Zhiguli, already finished, were being illegally exported from the plant by various thieves' structures like the one organized by Berezovsky, and he made his "initial capital" on this.
          3. 0
            Yesterday, 05: 48
            Yes???? And what's going on now??????
        2. 0
          2 September 2024 13: 01
          I agree, it was calm, there was stability and confidence in the future!

          This is the trouble.
          It was a FALSE confidence,
          Which is much worse than uncertainty.
          This false feeling, by the way, is one of the reasons that when the Soviet system began to collapse, practically no one from the population of the USSR and even from the 20 million strong army of the CPSU rose up in its defense.
          So this is not Brezhnev’s merit but his fault.
          Although I think he himself was mistaken.
          1. +1
            10 September 2024 00: 54
            Of the 20 million "army" of the CPSU, more than half, and maybe a third, were opportunists and careerists. What kind of army is this? Those who tried to defend Soviet power and socialism were primitively but very effectively neutralized at their place of work and service, and those leaders who were capable of influencing were physically purged. I know and remember this from my own experience. Well, and those who were directly affected by all this, the working class ate bitter and did not react at all to the collapse of their hegemony. The reflex worked only in the fact that it was not possible to redeem the coupons, they rebelled. Sabotage was very helpful to the counter-revolutionaries.
            1. 0
              14 September 2024 16: 01
              I agree, there were people who disagreed with Gorbachev's policy, but the police, the KGB, and the Ministry of Defense were against them. In the security forces, the main thing is the order of the boss, which, as is known, is the law for a subordinate. Gorbachev was afraid to give such an order, Yeltsin was not afraid. With outside support, the Union collapsed.
    2. +4
      30 August 2024 15: 08
      Well, even now they say that economic reforms are needed...
    3. +3
      30 August 2024 15: 25
      Because "For" and standing. Old men in the Politburo - not re-elected by anyone, did not report to anyone.
      At some point, they decided to copy (to save money) technical solutions from the West, which led to further lagging behind. The country began to become a raw material/resource base, at a minimum, for the CMEA and fraternal countries of the "third world".
      Progress was only in the military space sphere.
      After the death of L.I. Brezhnev, those who could lead the country out of the impasse (Masherov, Kulakov) began to pass away. And then came the triumph of the resort secretary Marked and the alcoholic EBN.
      1. +5
        30 August 2024 18: 16
        Quote: knn54
        After the death of L.I. Brezhnev, those who could lead the country out of the impasse began to pass away (Masherov
        Masherov was hit by a truck carrying potatoes while Brezhnev was still alive, in 1980.
      2. 0
        13 September 2024 11: 02
        There should be no primitive X-shaped and T-shaped intersections on intercity highways. The primitiveness and danger of the intersection led to a traffic accident with grave consequences in the case of Masherov. Primitivism and oversimplification, which were then being implanted in all spheres of life without exception, hit one of those involved in such an ideology.
        It should be noted that little has changed since then. The roads remain dangerous. Primitive and dangerous intersections continue to be present on the roads and even reappear.
    4. +3
      30 August 2024 15: 57
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      I read that Kosygin said that serious reforms of the USSR economy were needed, but his ideas were brushed aside, and in the end, time was lost.

      You read it absolutely correctly.
      Strictly speaking, the problems in the USSR economy arose earlier, around the beginning of the 60s. They were primarily related to the inability of the then economic model to move from extensive to intensive development. All this was not terrible, and could have been corrected within the socialist model. But alas, they did not listen to Kosygin, there were reforms, but it would be good if they were 1/4 of what he proposed. The result - the next crisis came to us in 1975, but then we got out of it due to the jump in oil prices. This, in fact, became the last chance for the USSR - if the necessary measures had been taken then, the USSR would not have fallen. And it is not that they did not understand, Brezhnev really did something in this direction. But alas - little, late, and as a result - useless
      1. +2
        2 September 2024 13: 05
        But alas, Kosygin was not listened to,

        Everything was complicated there.
        I am not at all sure that with that ideology they could have been implemented 100%.
        What was needed was at least an iron political will, which no one had.
    5. +1
      30 August 2024 16: 19
      I read that Kosygin said that serious reforms of the USSR economy are needed
      There was even a ready-made plan, but it was rejected.
      1. 0
        10 September 2024 01: 11
        Do you know the main point of this plan? We slid into capitalism in exactly the same way, only under the hammer and sickle. Like the Chinese today. The nuts and bolts had to be tightened and cleaned, like Lenin-Dzerzhinsky, Stalin-Beria did. There were more than enough reserves for stability even without a new economic model. It was just necessary to establish order, first of all in our heads. Everyone relaxed, from the Politburo old farts to the sewage worker Uncle Petya, who drunkenly overturned a tank right in front of the Bolshoi Theater. But Brezhnev was a liberal, no less than the current zeroed-out one. That is why this time is remembered with such warmth. No responsibility, no consequences. Nuts, only nuts, until the threads cracked.
  2. 0
    30 August 2024 14: 42
    The ideology remained at Khrushev’s level.
    And the thesis that in 80 we will live under communism caused laughter.
  3. 0
    30 August 2024 14: 43
    I just watched "The Wick", 1978 "Problems of Builders" https://dzen.ru/video/watch/6469c345817f5452adf0b0b0
    By the way, 1 Soviet ruble of those years is about 300 modern ones. Well, to understand the scale of the problem.
    In general, this topic of "marriage" in Soviet production is extremely interesting, I recommend getting acquainted with it. You will discover many interesting things for yourself.
    1. +1
      30 August 2024 16: 22
      Is it true that the Soviet ruble to the anti-Soviet ruble = 1 to 300? For some reason I thought it was significantly less...
      Anyway...
      I wouldn't refuse... the pension was 250 rubles, today it's 75 thousand. I agree to receive it like that request
      The last Soviet salary according to the party card was 1052 rubles, which today is almost 315,6 thousand anti-Soviet rubles...
      Of course, there is an approximate purchasing power parity, but now you have to pay for everything - for medicine and education, a bunch of taxes and housing and utilities at not a godly price, vacations, etc. That is, the real consumer basket is now smaller than in the late Soviet period. On the plus side - there is no deficit and some freedom of movement. That's all, basically...
      1. +5
        30 August 2024 16: 36
        I wouldn't refuse... the pension was 250 rubles, today it's 75 thousand. I agree to receive it this way request
        The last Soviet salary according to the party card was 1052 rubles, which today is almost 315,6 thousand anti-Soviet rubles...

        What year are these salaries from? 1990? 1991? The ruble had already been devalued then, so using the 250-300 inflator is incorrect.
        1. 0
          30 August 2024 16: 44
          This is the salary from 1989, actually... yeah, that happened... I looked at a relative's salary - in 1984 it reached 1560 rubles...

          And indeed, I had no restrictions on money, I had enough for everything I wanted. I couldn't buy everything, but not because I didn't have money, but because there wasn't anything in the store.
          1. +4
            30 August 2024 16: 47
            I looked at a relative - in 1984 he had up to 1560 rubles...

            I can be happy for your relative. In 1984 I earned 320 and it was a good salary. Are you not confusing anything?
            1. -2
              30 August 2024 16: 54
              Yes, I was bragging, believe me. I'm not mistaken, I was looking at party cards, at that time lying on this topic was fraught with danger, although, as it turned out, some comrades managed to do it!!! wassat

              In 1980, my wife earned 350 at a sewing factory, in a communist labor brigade. About a hundred more than her father...

              Another relative (a teacher) received about 120 rubles...
              1. 0
                2 September 2024 14: 36
                typo...
                Read "But I'm NOT doing this to brag" and further down the text drinks
            2. +1
              30 August 2024 18: 14
              In 1984 I earned 320 and that was a good salary. Are you not getting anything mixed up?

              Miners earned quite well, sometimes more than 1000 rubles (in the Rostov region, for example).
              1. 0
                2 September 2024 11: 30
                Yes, I know that miners earned good money, I come from a mining family, where my father was the only one of five brothers who did not continue the mining line. There were no 1000, but my uncles got 600-700 rubles. The salaries were justified, the average life expectancy of miners was 7 years less than in the country.
                1. 0
                  2 September 2024 11: 35
                  Yes, the work is dusty and dangerous. As far as I remember, the GROZ workers generally had the highest salaries. The rest, and especially the workers on the surface, had less.
          2. -4
            2 September 2024 13: 10
            relative - in 1984 he had up to 1560 rubles...

            Where did he work?
            My mother is a first category design engineer, 170 rubles.
            My father is the head of a department at Chelomey’s company, about 300.

            However, for me it’s still not enough, now I receive MUCH more than 315K. laughing
            And I don’t have to wait 3 years in line for a car and 7 for an apartment - I just go and buy it.
            1. +1
              2 September 2024 13: 28
              Work, like fate, was different for everyone. I described specific cases from real documents.
              So my examples are not generalizations. But there are enough such examples, and in Soviet times there were quite a lot of people with high incomes.
              There were also many with short ones.
              A relative with an income of one and a half thousand rubles worked in a box, in not the warmest place in the country. I will not announce the position and place of work, there is no need for this ... laughing

              As you write, today the income gap has become even greater. According to our examples, the sovstandard is 190 rubles, the adjusted income is 1500 rubles, the difference is almost 8 times.

              Today in the Russian Federation the average salary is 84 thousand (even I was stunned by this...), so we take the "pre-war", that is, 2021 - 56 thousand. You say MUCH more than 300 thousand for you, we can assume that it is not 400-450, but somewhere around 500-600 thousand. Let's say 550 thousand. Then the difference in your particular example is 550: 56 = almost 10 times.

              So our particular cases are not contradictory. Well, it was possible to buy an apartment in the USSR - let me remind you about cooperative apartments. Not everyone had the opportunity, but those with high incomes could do it then.

              Please don’t think that I’m defending the rich life in the late USSR, but compared to previous times it was possible to live.
              1. -2
                2 September 2024 14: 34
                I need clarification, I apologize:
                When indicating the average salary in 2021, it was necessary to indicate that this is the "average accrued salary", that is, before taxes. Of course, the "net" salary will be 13% lower... missed this necessary remark..
              2. -3
                3 September 2024 12: 07
                I won't disclose my position and place of work, there's no point in that...

                Uh... You're not lying?
                My father worked at the Central Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering.
                Only 2 levels of subordination below Chelomey.
                Salary is about 300 rubles.
                Yes, Chelomey probably received a thousand (by the way, this is about the income gap in the USSR).
                Well, he is unique, just like Korolev.
                He was 100% assigned a PERSONAL salary.
                Do you have such friends?
                Or are these friends of friends of friends?
                In that case, your words are worth NO ONE, this is OBS.
                1. -1
                  3 September 2024 12: 49
                  I am happy for you, rest after your righteous labors. Your father is undoubtedly an outstanding person, but what does this have to do with you?

                  We're done, nothing more interesting.
                  We save nerves and electricity wink
                  all the best hi
              3. 0
                3 September 2024 12: 09
                Well, it was possible to buy an apartment in the USSR - let me remind you about cooperative apartments. Not everyone had the opportunity, but those with high incomes could do it back then.

                So I wrote about 7 years in line specifically for the cooperative. laughing
                My father-in-law waited so long.
                By the way, he is also a big boss, only at TsNIRTI.
                1. 0
                  3 September 2024 12: 53
                  There was a queue, that's a fact.
                  This did not exclude the possibility itself.

                  I had a queue in the capitals for 3 years, then everything went down the drain along with the country.

                  A namesake (or maybe not) of one of Putin's favorites personally sent me away from this line to the three funny letters, ha-ha-ha laughing
                  And I sent him there too. Only he stayed, and I went on an erotic walking journey and began to decide my fate myself. And I am happy that I did it myself. I wish the same for others. bully
                  1. 0
                    4 September 2024 10: 45
                    This did not exclude the possibility itself.

                    If we are going to talk about housing in the USSR from a positive perspective, then we need to talk about FREE improvement of housing conditions.
                    Of course, this did not apply to everyone, but people really did move from communal apartments to apartments.
                    1. +2
                      4 September 2024 11: 12
                      Hooray, at least we agree on this drinks

                      If we look at this issue with an unclouded eye, we will see that free housing for citizens of the country is probably the most powerful multiplier of what was called "the welfare of the Soviet people is growing"... A janitor received a service apartment, a doctor, a teacher, a worker, an engineer, an academician - they knew that not today, but in a year or two, the housing issue would be resolved positively. Did you want more? Of course, but before that there was no housing at all, and people had and realized the hope of their own housing.

                      Having received an apartment, people calmed down, began to work calmly, give birth to and raise children, and feel confident in the future. Thus, for not very much money (by the standards of the USSR budget), the country solved a whole range of problems - from geography to demography (I usually say - from geography to pornography, ha-ha)

                      Today's brutal system completely kills all of this. No geography of distribution of productive forces, no demography. Mortgage is the most vile thing the government can offer to solve the demographic catastrophe.

                      Even highly paid specialists are under constant stress due to astronomical interest rates and the need to spend most of their lives working for bankers' families, rather than building and developing their own families.

                      And this insatiable banking bastard will milk the entire population of the country until they all die. Thanks to the country's leadership for caring, so that they choke... am
      2. +1
        1 September 2024 00: 31
        the pension was 250 rubles


        Enough of that. The maximum for the overwhelming majority was 132 rubles. Under the death sentence of the half-dead Brezhnev. That was for continuous service, work experience, and otherwise 120 rubles and less. But there were personal pensions for party boulders, small and larger hillocks and other minorities under the general nickname "Nomenklatura".
        1. +2
          1 September 2024 10: 10
          Before you write something dismissive here, it would be a good idea to at least have a rough idea of ​​the subject.

          I specifically looked at the first page of Google results about pensions in the USSR, what kind of nonsense is there... It is not surprising that the commentator writes nonsense, because it is apparently difficult to read anything beyond the first page of results.

          I don’t think it’s necessary to describe the pension system of the USSR here; everyone concerned knows it personally, so I’ll limit myself to briefly mentioning some indicators:

          Briefly - for men to retire, the work experience was 25 years, for women - 20 years. The pension was calculated from the average salary for the last year or 10 years, which is why people tried to work in high-paying positions before retirement. The average salary in the 1980s was 190-200 rubles, the average pension was 70-120 rubles. There was a minimum social pension for those who did not accumulate work experience, my grandmother, born in 1914, with work experience from the age of 10, received 27 rubles. There was no one to confirm the work experience, the archives were destroyed during collectivization, repressions, war.
          The maximum pension for civilians reached 252 rubles.
          The institute of personal pensions also existed, from local to national significance.
          The military had a maximum pension of 250 rubles. For generals and special categories it reached 350 rubles.
          More detailed information can be found in professional literature, but not in newspapers and other journalistic rubbish.

          So to utter such utter nonsense is not a great virtue, carder-winder laughing

          By the way, all these "rocks", "bumps" and "others" that you contemptuously called them created everything that talentless and narrow-minded people use to this day... bully
          And today's arrogant underachievers cannot even come close to those achievements. wassat

          "Nomenclature"? Wow, what words have the adherents of "de-communization" learned... Go ahead, tell us about "democracy", about "people's power", about achievements on a planetary scale lol And don't forget about the market!
          As I understand it, these followers don't even bother to disguise their wretchedness. And in vain.

          Derzhavin has some good lines:
          "The donkey will remain a donkey,
          While screeching it with stars;
          Where the mind must act,
          He just flaps his ears. "

          This is not a personal attack, it is a brief description of all arrogant critics of the Soviet system. negative
          And by the way, the talentless and wretched figures of the anti-Soviet period have still not been able to squander the wealth created by the country and the people during the USSR.
          And they try so hard, it's enough to make smoke appear! hi
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            1 September 2024 10: 39
            You looked it up on Google, but I lived at that time! Do you understand the difference? I remember it perfectly well to this day, you know) NONE of my relatives or friends have ever heard of labor pensions of as much as 252 rubles))))))))) No matter how much you earn, thousands of rubles) That's about personal pensions, yes! And I also remembered... They also added for awards, but that was also PERSONAL PENSIONS! An ordinary labor pension could not be more than 132 rubles, with "developed" socialism, I repeat for those who did not live at that time, no matter how hard you work and you earn thousands of rubles) No need to lie like a gray gelding, there are still people who remember that time and it is not at all cloudless, like that of the pink elves.
          2. +2
            1 September 2024 11: 04
            Here's the law for you, ignoramus.

            "The proposed law of 1956 and the decrees of the Council of Ministers issued in its development are the first complete normative acts on pension law in the USSR. They comprehensively examined all types of pensions (old age, disability, loss of breadwinner, personal, length of service) and established the rules for their assignment and calculation in all cases.

            State pensions continued to be paid exclusively to workers and employees. At the same time, pensions for those living in rural areas were lower. Pension salaries for those with little work experience (including in the case of disability and loss of a breadwinner) were very low.

            The 1956 law was in force until the 1990s, the main regulation of the Council of Ministers – until 1972."

            Read it and don't embarrass yourself in public anymore. Do you see the numbers there when the law was issued (1956) and until what time it was in effect (1990)?!

            http://museumreforms.ru/node/13873


            "The maximum old-age pension is 120 rubles per month."

            Not a single word about earnings. And benefits, yes. But again, for the vast majority, the ceiling is 132 rubles!!! Karl) In what wet dreams did you take as much as 252 rubles?!
            1. -1
              1 September 2024 17: 03
              It's funny to read this nonsense, and the manner in which it is presented becomes downright amusing. laughing

              Aren't you ashamed to show everyone around you your... let's say, insufficient competence? There's no need to even talk about the shortcomings of your upbringing fool

              Exaggerated self-confidence is characteristic of people with little education, but this, of course, has nothing to do with you. Rather, we are faced with banal superficiality.

              So, for the hasty experts on Soviet pensions - let's read the USSR Law "On State Pensions" in the 1983 edition (as related to the period of the dispute), and not newspapers or the ravings of various online "experts":

              When – "II. OLD-AGE PENSIONS
              “Article 8
              The following workers and employees have the right to an old-age pension:
              men - upon reaching 60 years of age and with at least 25 years of work experience;
              women - upon reaching 55 years of age and with at least 20 years of work experience."

              To whom and conditions:

              “Article 9
              The following persons have the right to an old-age pension on preferential terms:
              a) workers and employees in underground work, in work with harmful working conditions and in hot shops - according to the list of industries, shops, professions and positions approved by the Council of Ministers of the USSR:
              men - upon reaching 50 years of age and with at least 20 years of work experience;
              women - upon reaching 45 years of age and with at least 15 years of work experience;
              b) workers and employees in other jobs with difficult working conditions - according to the list of industries, workshops, professions and positions approved by the Council of Ministers of the USSR:
              men - upon reaching 55 years of age and with at least 25 years of work experience;
              women - upon reaching 50 years of age and with at least 20 years of work experience;
              c) female workers in textile industry enterprises - according to the list of industries and professions approved by the USSR Council of Ministers, upon reaching 50 years of age and with at least 20 years of work experience in these professions (regardless of the place of their last job);
              d) workers and employees - disabled military personnel who became disabled as a result of injury, concussion or mutilation received while defending the USSR or while performing other military service duties, or as a result of illness associated with their time at the front:
              men - upon reaching 55 years of age and with at least 25 years of work experience;
              women - upon reaching 50 years of age and with at least 20 years of work experience;
              d) women working as tractor drivers - machinists in agriculture, other sectors of the national economy, as well as women working as machinists of construction, road and loading and unloading machines - according to the list of industries and professions approved by the Council of Ministers of the USSR, upon reaching 50 years of age and with at least 20 years of work experience, including at least 15 years in these professions (regardless of the place of their last job), if they do not have the right to an old-age pension at an earlier age.

              The workers and employees referred to in paragraphs "a" and "b" of this article have the right to an old-age pension on preferential terms if at least half of the length of service required for the assignment of this pension falls on the relevant jobs that give the right to a pension on preferential terms (regardless of the place of last work)



              And here is a different picture from the one described above by the commentator who was in a hurry to read everything in a row.

              Next - about minimum pensions. Since this issue was not discussed, I will skip it.

              Pension amounts:

              “Article 13
              Old-age pensions are assigned in the following amounts:

              (The table does not become, so only numbers), the name of the columns is in the law.
              Up to 50
              From 50 to 60 75 42 - 50 80 45
              From 60 to 80 65 45 70 48
              From 80 to 100 55 52 60 56
              From 100 and above 50 55 55 60
              The minimum old-age pension is set at 50 rubles per month, for pensions paid for at least 10 years - 55 rubles.

              The maximum old-age pension is 120 rubles per month. For workers and employees who have worked for at least 15 years in certain types of work that give the right to a state pension on preferential terms and in preferential amounts in accordance with paragraph "a" of Article 9 of this Law, according to the list of such jobs approved by the USSR Council of Ministers, the following maximum old-age pensions are established: for those who have worked in the specified jobs from 15 to 20 years - 140 rubles and over 20 years - 160 rubles per month.
              ....

              A pension calculated in accordance with this article in an amount not exceeding 60 rubles per month shall, 10 years after its assignment, be increased by 1 percent of the earnings from which it was calculated, for each full year that has passed since its assignment. A subsequent increase in a pension established in an amount not exceeding 60 rubles shall be made every 2 years by 2 percent of the same earnings. When recalculating, pensions calculated from earnings in excess of 120 rubles may not be lower than pensions assigned simultaneously from earnings of 120 rubles."

              Thus, the thesis of the commentator who does not read the document to the end has sunk again... The pension is calculated from the salary, and not just "off the cuff"... And now the nonsense about the maximum of 132 rubles has been simply beaten by a line of the law. But my opponent does not want to read the documents to the end. Or maybe there are difficulties with the language? I am ready to provide all necessary assistance.

              Let's move on. It will be interesting, I promise!
              Pension supplements. Apologists of spitting on the USSR, get ready!

              “Article 14
              The following supplements to old-age pensions are established:
              a) for continuous work experience of over 15 years or for total work experience - for men who have worked for at least 35 years and women who have worked for at least 30 years - 10 percent of the pension. For workers and employees who have the right to a pension on preferential terms in accordance with paragraph "a" of Article 9 and Articles 10 and 11 of this Law, the said supplement for total work experience shall be established if their total work experience exceeds the experience required for the appointment of a pension on preferential terms by at least 10 years.

              Workers and employees whose continuous work experience is at least 25 years, and for women with children - at least 20 years of work at one enterprise, institution, organization and who simultaneously have the right to a pension supplement for their total length of service, are entitled to a supplement for this length of service in the amount of 20 percent of the pension. Under the specified conditions, a supplement of up to 10 percent of the pension is accrued in addition to the established maximum pension amount.

              The calculation of continuous length of service, which gives workers and employees the right to an increase in their old-age pension in the amount of 20 percent, including in cases of transfer for good reasons from one enterprise, institution, or organization to another, is carried out in the manner determined by the Council of Ministers of the USSR;

              b) non-working pensioners who have disabled family members dependent on them: for one disabled family member - 10 percent of the pension; for two or more disabled family members - 15 percent of the pension.

              As a result, the maximum pension is slowly growing from 160 rubles to 192 rubles, and for some categories – even more... and this is not the end...

              I skip disabled people and survivor's pensions.

              Pensions for military personnel: in the law – about conscripts of privates and sergeants.
              Pensions of officers and generals – by Resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers.

              And finally, how are all the above-mentioned pensions calculated for civilians?
              It's amazing what kind of stupidity you can write on this topic with an intelligent look...
              So, let's look at the law, and not the nonsense of commentators who don't really understand what they're talking about:

              “Article 53
              Pensions are calculated from the average monthly actual earnings. This earnings include all types of wages on which insurance contributions are calculated, except for wages for overtime work, for holding more than one job, and any kind of one-time payments. Annual remuneration for length of service is included in the earnings from which pensions are calculated.
              The average monthly salary is taken for the last 12 months of work or, at the request of the applicant for a pension, for any 5 consecutive years out of the last 10 years before applying for a pension.
              Old-age pensions for persons who worked as tractor drivers-machinists on collective farms, state farms and other state agricultural enterprises, water and forestry enterprises and the USSR State Committee for Agricultural Machinery - men for at least 20 years and women for at least 15 years, may be calculated, at their request, based on the average monthly earnings for any 5 consecutive years of work as tractor drivers-machinists.

              This is precisely why the majority of workers, before retirement, sought higher-paying jobs in order to increase their pension for the last 12 months of work.
              Those who had a high salary, but the last year was "not so good" - took advantage of the opportunity to apply the salary of the last 10 years (5 years period). And this was really beneficial in a number of cases.

              The last articles of the law – Article 54 and Article 55 – are also quite significant.

              Now the evil fantastic version presented by the opponent has a completely different, sour look.

              All that was needed was to read the document from beginning to end without ideological hatred.

              The rest of the opponent's funny escapades are not worth reacting to. It would be too much
              1. -1
                2 September 2024 13: 21
                Did you write this?
                The average salary in the 1980s was 190-200 rubles, average pension 70-120 rubles.

                And this too?
                Maximum size old age pensions - 120 rubles per month.


                Do you realize that you lied? Mathematics my friend.
                And by the way, your attempts to add benefits for dependents, personal allowances, etc. to the pension are simply pathetic.
                The average old-age pension in the country was much less than 70 rubles.
                But this is also an overestimate, because it does not take into account collective farmers.
                1. +1
                  2 September 2024 14: 11
                  Please, take the trouble to make an effort and read what is written about, otherwise no discussion makes sense.
                  The text of the USSR law "On state pensions" of 1983 was laid out before you.
                  So argue with the law, you can even eat it - it will not change anything, the law will remain in place wassat

                  I don’t make any “attempts”, just bare texture...
                  If you don't like the facts or the laws, what does that have to do with those around you?

                  In my text on this topic I rely on scientific and statistical reports and publications, so please don't take offense...
                  For example, "Doctor of Historical Sciences V.N. Mamyachenkov Pension Provision in the USSR (1928-1991): Historical and Economic Aspect", publications of the USSR State Statistics Service and Rosstat, publications of Sberbank, publications of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, and other works.

                  I give my examples as a specific case, without generalizing, since I myself lived and worked and received a pension during that period, in contrast to “book knowledge” laughing

                  And your polemical techniques with the aim of hurting and offending your interlocutor do not cause anything except a smile lol

                  So, like all decent people, I think that a respectful attitude towards an opponent is a sign of intelligence and upbringing. bully
            2. +2
              2 September 2024 13: 16
              In what wet dreams did you take as much as 252 rubles?!

              This is a personal union value.
              My grandmother received 170. This is a personal republican value.
              1. +1
                2 September 2024 13: 32
                This is a personal union value.
                My grandmother received 170. This is a personal republican value.

                And with all the extra bonuses for orders, etc.
              2. +1
                3 September 2024 01: 05
                Absolutely right! In addition, there was also a fund for party functionaries, from which pensions for the nomenklatura were paid additionally from the party treasury. The same Khrushchev received one. Well, that's what I'm trying to convey to the ignoramus) He's trying to prove, without living in the USSR, that almost everyone could receive a pension of as much as 252 rubles. But this is far from true! The ceiling of the ACCRUED old-age pension for the absolute majority was legally limited to 120 rubles. But then came the benefits, which were spelled out. For the absolute majority, the limit was 132 rubles for continuous service and that's it. No matter how much you receive, they won't accrue more.
          3. +2
            2 September 2024 13: 12
            The maximum pension for civilians reached 252 rubles.

            Oh, but you forgot that this is a personal pension of union significance.
            This is the pension of a minister or a member of the Central Committee. Now they have immeasurably more.
            1. -1
              2 September 2024 14: 16
              Well, really, why are you contradicting yourself? That is, such a pension took place? It did! According to the law? According to the law.
              And why waste time and electricity on a pointless dispute?

              You are mistaken in claiming that now the pension of a “minister or member of the Central Committee” is immeasurably greater.
              This statement is false and not supported by facts. Do you know why?

              Yes, because the ideology of "everything is Soviet crap and the communists are to blame for everything" obscures reason. For a researcher, this is unacceptable.
              1. -3
                3 September 2024 01: 14
                You contradict yourself, not living at that time and not knowing that real life and I even understand why) But don't think that everyone died out))) There are still a few, but there are those who really remember that time, in spite of such ignoramuses as you. No matter how hard you try to cover up what happened. And yes, no matter how much you paint the devil, he will still remain the devil. Don't forget about it.
    2. -2
      30 August 2024 16: 40
      By the way, 1 Soviet ruble of those years is about 300 modern ones.

      Short memory or young age. "On January 1, 1998, the exchange of banknotes was carried out with a coefficient of 1000:1, that is, one new ruble corresponded to 1000 old ones"

      Average consumer prices in the Russian Federation in 1992 - 2007 https://rosstat.gov.ru/free_doc/new_site/prices/potr/tab5-cen.htm
      1. +4
        30 August 2024 16: 58
        Comrade writes about 1978, and you about 1998, so we compare warm with yellow and square...
        Comparative tables of prices for various indicators have been published repeatedly.

        Well, back then the trees were big and the condensed milk was tastier. drinks
        1. 0
          10 September 2024 01: 56
          A pointless argument. Although you have given a truly unrealistic figure. This personal, and very rare. Only on 120 full-fledged Soviet rubles could one live "from the belly", with those penny prices. Unless of course you consider the issue from today's position of a fanatic of consumption. The Soviet person had fewer desires, less junk and comfort, peace of mind and confidence in the future more. Stress is the scourge of modern times.
      2. +3
        30 August 2024 17: 00
        that is, one new ruble corresponded to 1000 old ones"

        So this is a denomination of the Russian ruble. And not a comparison of the Russian ruble and the USSR. ))
      3. +2
        30 August 2024 18: 40
        Hmm. In one of Malakhov's programs, Brezhnev's granddaughter was hosting, and to the opuses in his direction she said: "You won't even be able to paint everything that my grandfather built." And she left this Sabbath...
        1. -2
          30 August 2024 18: 57
          What is the point of this thesis that things have become worse now? It only confirms the trend.
      4. 0
        1 September 2024 17: 37
        Hee-hee! I was right in concluding that you did not live under socialism) You see, you are a narrow-minded person, you are ours...) The ACCRUED pension was indeed the maximum of 120 rubles, this was the accrual ceiling. This ceiling is exactly what is written in the law. If you earned more and EXCEEDED this maximum when calculating, then your accrued pension was CUT OFF to this MAXIMUM of 120 rubles. And then benefits were included, of which the main importance was the additional payment of 10 and 20 percent for continuous work experience and harmful conditions, and of course, personal pensions of local, republican and union significance for bigwigs) like ministers, party bigwigs and other nomenklatura could exceed this level, which kind of hints at "equality" and "dictatorship" of the proletariat. Don't embarrass yourself any more, but rather ask those who still remember the happy sycism. Just don't embarrass yourself like you did here. They might punch you in the face when you start talking nonsense about pensions of 252 rubles )))))
        1. -2
          1 September 2024 17: 54
          They might punch you in the face when you start talking nonsense about pensions of 252 rubles


          What pension? What are the excesses?
          Pen pal, go and sleep it off.
        2. -1
          2 September 2024 13: 25
          Hee-hee! I was right in concluding that you didn't live under sycism)

          Yes, you wrote everything correctly. Only these apologists only start with the letter s, they are impenetrably stupid as
          All fanatics. They don't care what really happened.
  4. +14
    30 August 2024 14: 47
    the name "period of stagnation"
    During Brezhnev's rule, this was part of Western propaganda. Calling a period in which the state developed quite steadily stagnation is only possible for propaganda purposes. Now, the US is not exactly in stagnation, but in clear decline, and for them, returning to their former greatness is an obsession.
    1. -2
      30 August 2024 14: 53
      What was the stagnation in, in the KGB ACTIVITIES, in the party nomeklatura.
      1. 0
        30 August 2024 15: 07
        No need to blame everything on the KGB, etc. The rejection of the planned economy and the gradual transition to profit-making, this did not begin under Brezhnev.
        1. -3
          30 August 2024 15: 17
          The collective farm received a plan for sowing tomatoes and cucumbers. But it turned out that the plan forgot about the canning factories. Yakovlev, Bakatin, Kalugin and many traitors. And among them Gorbachev. And where is the work of the KGB.
          1. +1
            30 August 2024 15: 52
            so the KGB itself betrayed and covered up all this. in fact, the USSR died with Stalin, then came the Trotsuist Khrushchoff who purposefully destroyed the USSR. hence the nonsense about corn and, most importantly, the destruction of virgin lands which Stalin planned to use as a region for the development of livestock farming. like Mongolia which supplied the entire USSR with meat during the Great Patriotic War. and the fact that he also cut the army by saying that we would have enough nuclear missiles for everything was discussed some time ago. it's just that in the USSR in 53 there was a soft coup d'etat and capitalism took over. and conflicts like the Cuban Missile Crisis were needed to milk the American budget and intimidate the planet with the specter of a nuclear war, but in fact the Americans went to our party bigwigs and our party bigwigs drove to the States as if they were their own home
      2. +2
        30 August 2024 15: 12
        KGB ACTIVITIES,
        Explain what influence the KGB special service had on the country's economy?
        1. 0
          30 August 2024 15: 19
          Keep people in positions within the limits of their desires + very smart people under control. Like one genius who organized a fake military unit in WWII and actually pocketed the money, doing everything for victory. Well, i.e. the work was actually done, it turns out he brought victory closer, but the money went into his pocket.
    2. +6
      30 August 2024 15: 16
      “It was necessary to spoil the present so much that when thinking about the future, people dream of returning to the past.” what
      1. +3
        30 August 2024 15: 32
        Moreover, the result of the vaunted capitalism of the enemies of the USSR and their vaunted “market economy” is such that, according to polls, the more time passes since the destruction of the USSR, the more supporters of the USSR, Lenin, and Stalin there are in the Russian Federation.
        But the enemies of the USSR never admit their guilt in anything, and therefore they attack the supporters of the USSR with rudeness and insults.
    3. 0
      30 August 2024 15: 17
      I think the author is a right-wing deviationist. In his article he deliberately avoids the issue of the intensification of class struggle as productive relations develop.
      1. +2
        30 August 2024 15: 23
        deliberately avoids the issue of the aggravation of class struggle
        No one is currently engaged in class struggle issues and is not studying the topic. The classics of Marxism convinced us that the most revolutionary class is the proletariat. But at the current stage of the class struggle, we see that the peasantry has come forward, these are the peasants in Europe who are watering European capitals with slurry on their tractors. And the proletariat will soon be replaced by robots, but the proletariat is silent and does not go to the streets to protest.
        1. -1
          30 August 2024 15: 30
          That is why it is necessary to develop propaganda and agitation work among robots, to create workers' leaflets and robot trade unions. Robots, as the advanced part of the proletariat, must serve as the vanguard of the proletarian revolution! Let's have a machine uprising! From among the robots will emerge new leaders of the coming dictatorship of the proletariat, free from petty-bourgeois consciousness!
          It is precisely the robots, capable of consistently and uncompromisingly fighting the exploitative class, that will destroy to the ground the familiar world of capitalist rule!
          The new society will be built on equality of electricity consumption and the most honest distribution of fuels and lubricants!
          Long live the ever-living teachings of Lenin-Azimov! The laws of robotics are omnipotent because they are eternal!
        2. 0
          30 August 2024 15: 40
          These are not peasants, but wealthy farmers, who make up five percent of the population, and who demand the return of various preferences and incentives, thanks to which they could at least somehow compete with poor agricultural producers from poor countries. The precariat could become a revolutionary class, but they are disunited and silent
          1. 0
            10 September 2024 01: 42
            The whips are the driving force of the revolution? A very original idea, to put it mildly. That is, the proletariat has no more reasons to pick off the bourgeois? Like cheese rolling in clover?
            1. -1
              10 September 2024 02: 17
              Are the Scourges the Driving Force of the Revolution?
              This is the first time I've heard the precariat compared to the scourge. For reference, the precariat is the majority in Russia.
              So the proletariat has no more reasons to knock off the bourgeoisie?
              The proletariat in China and other Bangladeshis toils these days, in Western countries a worker earns significantly more than any paper pushers in an office, and these workers make up 10-15 percent there. In our country, the proletariat - that is, men over 30 - is the most submissive and undemanding part of the population, the entire active force now fights at the front under contract or voluntarily.
              1. 0
                10 September 2024 06: 57
                And who is this, if not a scourge? A seasonal/temporary worker or a low-paid worker. Figuratively, of course.
                I agree with the rest. In the Russian Federation, the proletariat as a force has been destroyed. Or it self-destructed. Even before the coup.
                1. -1
                  10 September 2024 10: 19
                  Quote: Essex62
                  And who is this, if not a scourge? A seasonal/temporary worker or a low-paid worker.

                  The precariat is someone who has a salary around the minimum wage or zero, the rest in the form of bonuses. Today they are here, and tomorrow they are gone. And then a huge number of people fall into this zone, from freelance designers, computer technicians to doctors-teachers-scientists.
                  1. 0
                    10 September 2024 11: 22
                    Freelancers and other crap, this is beyond my understanding. Parasites, whose place is in forced labor, next to the bourgeoisie, the solid Siberian scourge, who has tied himself up with the geological party, evokes a hundred times more respect.
                    1. -1
                      10 September 2024 11: 59
                      Proletarians used to be different too. Some swung a hammer, some screwed screws, some painted with a brush. And now some draw pictures for some website, some unload trucks, some wash windows in skyscrapers.
                      1. 0
                        10 September 2024 15: 13
                        Well, screws, on the conveyor, you'll screw so much in a shift that swinging a hammer will seem easy. I had to, in my youth, at AZLK. And as for pictures and other things, these are not proletarians. In the Union, such work was also poorly paid, but also without any freelancing.
                      2. -1
                        10 September 2024 16: 21
                        But all sorts of current designers and pogromists work in the conditions of migrant workers, while you are young and toiling you live more or less, but you can't get sick, go on maternity leave or retire. There are many of them and they are better organized than the proletarians.
                      3. 0
                        11 September 2024 08: 56
                        They will not become a revolutionary force, they are up to their ears in capitalism. Their very existence is its product.
                      4. 0
                        11 September 2024 11: 41
                        And the proletarians, of course, were not part of capitalism. Its backbone, you could say.
                      5. 0
                        11 September 2024 13: 24
                        There is no need to compare a worker with parasites and slackers. I work if I want, or I don't want. This became possible only under the liberal model of modern Western capitalism, planted in Russia by enemies like Chubais and Gaidar (my grandfather has turned over in his grave a hundred times) and supported by the "new Russian" oligarchs who hold power.
                      6. 0
                        11 September 2024 13: 50
                        There is no need to compare a worker with parasites and slackers. I work if I want, and I don't if I don't want.
                        so those who don't work don't eat. Or their parents feed them or their grandmother left them an apartment. There aren't many of them. By the way, our revolution wasn't organized by powerful men from factories, but by frail intellectuals who lived on not very hard-earned incomes
                      7. 0
                        12 September 2024 07: 40
                        Without these mighty men, nothing would have come of these puny anti-llegians. They would have kept on theorizing. Ilyich, a mighty brain and a sea of ​​energy, was stunned when it worked out.
        3. 0
          10 September 2024 01: 34
          This is kept quiet here, and there is almost none left. In the West, they are very actively "inserting a fuse" into the authorities.
      2. +1
        30 August 2024 17: 45
        Quote from Kuziming
        In his article, he deliberately avoids the issue of the intensification of class struggle as productive relations develop.

        Inside the USSR?
        1. 0
          10 September 2024 01: 36
          We read comrade Stalin. Precisely, what is inside the USSR. The struggle has ceased and there is no USSR.
          1. 0
            10 September 2024 19: 16
            Quote: Essex62
            Exactly, what is inside the USSR. The struggle has ceased and there is no USSR.

            So, Soviet citizens had to fight against the Soviet government as a class?
            1. 0
              11 September 2024 08: 52
              Soviet citizens had to fight against non-Soviet people. Speculators, currency dealers, embezzlers of socialist property, manifestations of lordliness and greed. That is, with manifestations of bourgeoisness. Formally, there was no such class in the USSR, but in fact there was.
              1. 0
                11 September 2024 18: 59
                Quote: Essex62
                Speculators, currency dealers, plunderers of socialist property, manifestations of arrogance and greed.

                Shouldn't the police have fought them?
                1. -1
                  12 September 2024 07: 27
                  That's because the hegemon thought so, having forgotten the precepts of the IVS and the experience of the revolutionary generation, they came to restoration. The khata-extreme position leads to defeat.
                  1. 0
                    12 September 2024 19: 22
                    Quote: Essex62
                    That's because the hegemon thought so, having forgotten the precepts of the IVS

                    So in the USSR the police were just for show?
                    1. 0
                      13 September 2024 09: 44
                      The police worked. The public's rejection of such facts faded from year to year. Ultimately, indifference, relying only on the "authorities", came back to haunt the working class. It lost its hegemony, and after the coup, with the introduction of the "we'll buy everything (exchange it for hydrocarbons) in the West" program, it disappeared altogether.
                      1. 0
                        13 September 2024 17: 52
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Lost hegemony

                        And what did he have some kind of hegemony? In fact, and not in slogans, there was hegemony of the party.
                      2. 0
                        13 September 2024 21: 29
                        Of course there was. The working class had all the priorities in the USSR. And our party was a workers' party. Anyone who lived at that time knows.
                      3. 0
                        13 September 2024 22: 57
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Anyone who lived at that time knows.

                        I lived. I remember the party dictatorship, but I didn't see anything else.
                      4. 0
                        14 September 2024 09: 10
                        And who were you at that time? If you lived at that time, you should remember that the working class was a priority. It was not a dictatorship of the party, but of the idea. The communist idea, the pillar of which was the ban on private property and personal enrichment. Only collectively. It was discussed a million times. Well, the party nomenklatura did not have personal palaces with an army of guards, islands and villas on enemy territory and huge accounts in enemy currency, in enemy banks. Its entire, the party (read proletariat) dictatorship consisted of observing these principles. Up to a certain point, true. Well, they were no longer communists.
                      5. 0
                        14 September 2024 09: 22
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Well, the party nomenclature did not have personal palaces with an army of guards, islands and villas on enemy territory and huge accounts in enemy currency, in enemy banks.

                        And they also discussed a million times that they had no problems with scarce goods.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        It was not a dictatorship of a party, but of an idea.

                        Which the party had not believed in for a long time.
                      6. 0
                        14 September 2024 11: 10
                        The deficit was artificially created by traders. The phenomenon was fought, but liberally.
                        From a certain point, some of it, yes. And the result is known. Thirty years of wild capitalism.
                      7. 0
                        14 September 2024 12: 15
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The shortage was artificially created by traders
                        And?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So in the USSR the police were just for show?
                        Apparently yes.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        So the result is known.
                        And I don't want a repeat.
                      8. 0
                        14 September 2024 12: 21
                        A repeat of what, collapse? Of course I don't want it. I want the USSR in which the worker held the profiteer by the throat, the "authorities" worked effectively to suppress it, and the communists believed in the idea. That's what the USSR was like in its time. Personnel decide everything. Early and late Brezhnev, as they say in Odessa...
                      9. 0
                        14 September 2024 12: 45
                        Quote: Essex62
                        I want the USSR in which the worker held the profiteer by the throat, the "authorities" worked effectively to suppress it, and the communists believed in the idea.

                        That is, into a fairy tale.
                      10. 0
                        15 September 2024 11: 07
                        This fairy tale was a reality. There is no need to judge socialism in the Union by the last decade. Before the dominance of the degenerate party nomenclature, all this was quite fulfilled. Even under the maize harvester, not to mention the times of the IVS.
                      11. 0
                        15 September 2024 12: 58
                        Quote: Essex62
                        This fairy tale was true

                        So has it become or not? If yes, then where is it?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        There is no need to judge socialism in the Union by the last decade. Before the dominance of the degenerate party nomenclature, all this was quite well carried out.

                        Whose problem is it?
                      12. 0
                        15 September 2024 13: 01
                        Of course it has. It has become a nightmare for those who like to profiteer and swindle.
                      13. 0
                        15 September 2024 15: 14
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Of course it did.


                        Quote: Dart2027
                        If so, where is it?

                      14. 0
                        15 September 2024 22: 05
                        Today, no, but... Everything is in a spiral. This time, yours had tanks at hand, on the bridge and direct fire at the Soviet power. Tomorrow, it may spin in the opposite direction. Well, or "the day after tomorrow". It will mature and again the fairy tale will become reality. Man is drawn to justice, no matter how cunning and false bonds are fastened.
                      15. 0
                        15 September 2024 23: 11
                        Quote: Essex62
                        This time yours had tanks at hand, on the bridge and with direct fire at the Soviet government.

                        In fact, no one shot at the Soviet government with tanks.
                      16. 0
                        16 September 2024 09: 13
                        So it was a dream? And the concussion and the holes in my body were blown in by the wind. laughing I am telling about the decision of the Congress to cancel privatization and end the still raw capitalism. I heard it with my own ears, from the inside. The usurper did not disdain his own parliament, like in some banana republic. There was power in the BD, and not this drunkard. Soviet power, proletarian. True, already without the CPSU, but with its members.
                      17. 0
                        16 September 2024 19: 11
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The usurper did not disdain his own parliament

                        I don't remember the parliament getting ready to build Soviet power. Some perestroika people were shooting at others.
                      18. 0
                        16 September 2024 19: 53
                        Not the parliament, the Supreme Council, this is the Soviet power. What the victorious counter-revolutionary forces later told you about the executed Supreme Council and its decisions has nothing to do with reality. It is precisely because they understood that capitalism was hanging by a thread and decided to commit such a crime. The Supreme Council was the power, a drunkard, a fingerless nobody. He had no right to dissolve it. The counter-revolutionary forces decided everything by force.
                        Of course, there were "perestroika" people at the congress, but the majority of votes decided to close down the privatization. And then the usurper used an unbreakable trump card. We had nothing to get the armor on the bridge with. We didn't even have an RPG.
                      19. 0
                        16 September 2024 20: 50
                        Quote: Essex62
                        It is not the parliament, the Supreme Council, it is the Soviet power.
                        And before that they wrote about parliament.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        What the victorious counter-revolutionary forces later told you about the executed Supreme Council and its decisions has nothing to do with reality.
                        What no one knows about.
                      20. 0
                        16 September 2024 21: 07
                        The current colloquial name. It was the Council that dissolved the ebn.

                        Enough people know who is alive and who participated in these events. But what is the point today, 30 years after the defeat, to talk about it? Capitalism in Russia, who cares today how it came to it. And how many people, including completely uninvolved "spectators" of the live action movie, the counter-revolutionaries chopped up.
                      21. 0
                        16 September 2024 22: 48
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Enough people know who is alive and who participated in these events. But what is the point today, 30 years after the defeat, to talk about it?
                        Some 30 years ago, this wasn't really talked about.
                      22. 0
                        16 September 2024 23: 07
                        And who would have allowed the losers to tell the truth? And the population was no longer interested in it, they were surviving. From being politicized to the extreme during perestroika, they became inert to everything except arranging life in the new conditions.
                      23. 0
                        17 September 2024 19: 00
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And who would allow the losers to tell the truth?

                        Well, it was possible to talk then, even too much.
                      24. 0
                        18 September 2024 08: 13
                        Each other in the kitchen and even on the street? As much as you like, but after the coup all the media came under strict control. Do you know under what conditions Rutskoy was released from prison?
                        To believe or not to believe is your personal business. I don't care what you and those like you think. Time cannot be turned back, what happened, happened. Unsightly pages of the short history of the new Russian capitalism. I have seen it and know it, that is enough for me.
                      25. -1
                        18 September 2024 19: 10
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Do you know under what conditions Rutskoy was released from prison?
                        Were you present when they were read?
    4. 0
      30 August 2024 15: 21
      Well, of course they are in decline, but they live at the expense of the rest of the world, and in fact at the expense of a huge military machine, for the maintenance of which a huge amount of forces and resources are spent. Well, and if someone is against or "found oil and gas", "wings of democracy" swim out to him, fly out and explain to whom it belongs and who is the boss in the house, the owner of the machine for printing green wrappers.
  5. +3
    30 August 2024 14: 50
    The USSR had an interesting tendency - each new leader called the period of the previous one's rule by some negative epithet.

    Khrushchev called Stalin's period "a cult of personality", Brezhnev called Khrushchev's period "voluntarism", Gorbachev called Brezhnev's period "stagnation".

    There was no further periodization of the USSR due to the death of the latter.
    1. 0
      30 August 2024 15: 16
      The USSR had an interesting tendency - each new leader called the period of the previous one's rule by some negative epithet
      This trend is everywhere. This easily explains one's own blunders. For example, in the US, Biden and his team complained about Trump's legacy. And in Germany, Scholz complains about Merkel's legacy.
    2. +1
      30 August 2024 16: 06
      Well, why not? Putin, skipping the Yeltsin period, is scolding the Soviet period.
      1. -3
        30 August 2024 21: 50
        .
        Putin, skipping the Yeltsin period, scolds the Soviet period
        Are you sure you're not confusing anything? Can I get a quote or a source where he criticizes the USSR?
    3. +2
      1 September 2024 00: 44
      Yes. Only 70 years and no state. Just the approximate length of a human lifespan. Which kind of hints at...)
  6. 0
    30 August 2024 14: 57
    Monotonously counts when questions are answered more interestingly.
    He is biased to the point of horror, and after he heard how he talks about Stalin's murder as a fact, he began to distrust Spitsyn.
  7. +7
    30 August 2024 15: 02
    The slackers and parasites who make up the majority of the Russian Federation's population are discussing how Soviet people should have worked. Yes, the productivity of an ordinary Soviet citizen was two orders of magnitude greater than that of today's office plankton, who live on the ruins of a great country.
    It’s good that there’s stagnation—they can’t plunder and destroy what was created in the USSR.
    1. +5
      30 August 2024 15: 11
      The slackers and parasites who make up the majority of the Russian Federation's population are discussing how Soviet people should have worked. Yes, the productivity of an ordinary Soviet citizen was two orders of magnitude greater than that of today's office plankton, who live on the ruins of a great country.
      It’s good that there’s stagnation—they can’t plunder and destroy what was created in the USSR.

      Yeah. "The country of galoshes and bast shoes."
      Sales of radio equipment abroad according to Mashpriborintorg data for the year.
      The "stagnant" push-button "Rubin" from 1987 with a remote control and its contemporary "high-tech Samsung" with a drum channel selector.
      1. -1
        1 September 2024 00: 54
        I looked at TVs) I thought for a long time, why would damn Britain and Germany need our TVs, if in these damn countries the original color TV standard was PAL, unlike the USSR with SECAM))) No, well, it would be fine if it were in France, where SECAM was developed and then the USSR stuck to this standard.
        1. -1
          13 September 2024 11: 17
          You can insert any color decoder into your TV, install PAL if you want, or SECAM if you want. TVs were modular back then too.
    2. +2
      30 August 2024 15: 20
      Almost destroyed. Just a little bit left. Now they are showing us how the occupation of our country will take place.
    3. -12
      30 August 2024 15: 28
      It's not even funny. The Soviet brain is incurable. Maybe we should listen to those who actually lived there in their conscious age?

      "In 1979, Rabotnitsa wrote that during the previous year, Soviet industry had failed to produce 21 million pairs of children's shoes. No replacement shoes for schoolchildren were produced at all, and sneakers, sandals, and girls' boots were in great shortage. In 1979, 42 million families with children under 18 lived in the USSR. It is unlikely that the situation was different in 1977, 1976, and previous years, and children needed something to wear.
      And not only for children. Here is a magazine publishing a large article dedicated to women's stockings, which are very rare on sale, and those that are available are of poor quality. The soles of boots come off on the fourth day, and a T-shirt after the first wash starts to look like a pillowcase. From other notes it is clear that the stores do not have basic things, such as clothespins.
      Unlike researchers of bygone eras, we have the opportunity to talk to living witnesses. And if you want to know how an ordinary person really lived in the Soviet Union, ask the women. In the vast majority of cases, the task of obtaining food, clothing, and household items on a daily basis fell on them. Satellites in space are very good, but what will we eat today? Rockets cannot replace winter boots. The pride and glory of the state cannot wash clothes.
      The key word is "get"
      "They didn't sell shoes in the right sizes. My feet were small when I was a child, especially before school, when I went, the only shoes on sale were soft booties, my mother somehow miraculously got hold of some shoes. Then she snatched me some real sneakers and was happy that my feet didn't grow for a long time. It was impossible to get summer sandals, no matter what."
      "I was born in 1977 in relatively well-fed St. Petersburg. And I remember how my parents were embarrassed by my neighbor Uncle Vasya, who worked in a grocery store nearby. There was everything at the market, but it was expensive. Uncle Vasya was always drunk, dirty, but he could "get" decent meat. I still hate this word."
      "Summer 1988, I'm eight years old. I have only one pair of green sandals that don't go with anything, I didn't have a single green thing. But I wore them and didn't ask any questions. Winter boots. What bad ones they were! If you walk through wet snow, your feet will get wet right away. No one at school had a change of shoes. So you walk around half a day with wet feet."
      "I remember cloth tights, I wore them from "pull them up to my armpits, and there's an accordion on my knees" to "a crotch between my knees." They wore out on the toes and heels. Artistic darning is great for developing fine motor skills in elementary school."
      "They used to make hedgehogs out of lard in stores, stick matches into them and decorate the counter. I still remember those hedgehogs."
      "My mother loves to remember how she bought panties in Moscow: for herself, her grandmother, aunts, sisters. While she was standing in line, everything was taken, only size 54 was left. I took size 54 for everyone - better than nothing. You can tie it with an elastic band, right!"
      "Ufa, 1980, in the shops Nina-Ilya-Khariton-Ulyana-Yaroslav, but there is a market. The market really has everything, but there is one nuance: a kilo of meat costs about seven rubles. My mother, a young specialist with a salary of just over a hundred, could buy 15 kilos of meat with her entire salary. No vegetables, no medicine, no clothes, not enough for a bus ticket to work. The prices in the shops were lower, but for that money there was that cheerful company with Nina at the head."
      "I remember a faux fur coat with sleeves that were put up twice. And in the closet there were two "thrown out" winter jackets bought for growth, one two sizes too big, the other four."
      "The line for bread is an hour and a half long. Waiting for two hours until the meat is "thrown" onto the counter. Hercules, which my parents bought in boxes "for stock". Vodka on coupons... it was before someone's funeral that my parents dragged me, a five-year-old, to the liquor store."
      “My mother’s friend with a size 41 foot wanted to buy shoes, but the saleswoman cheated her and gave her a size 40, and the girl walked around with her foot pulled up because she had spent all the money, and there were no other shoes.”
      "I remember how they unscrewed a light bulb to sew tights onto it."
      "We had a girl in the kindergarten group, the daughter of a single mother who had worked as a janitor her entire life. She didn't have tights. Her mother, when her daughter grew out of tights, simply cut off the "legs" and the girl wore them like stockings, tying each one with an elastic band so they wouldn't slip down."
      "The stores had extremely healthy food: skinny blue chickens that had obviously died of hunger and abuse, sausage cheese and processed cheese "Druzhba", milk and sour cream by weight. We were lucky, my grandmother knew the store manager, she got the milk before they splashed water in it to dilute it. Not everyone got sour cream and not always. Cereals with garbage that had to be sorted. Pasta that had to be washed after cooking, otherwise it would stick together into one disgusting lump. Unrefined vegetable oil, which smelled terribly when fried. Dumplings with a filling of sinews, fat and old boots, judging by the taste and smell. It was incredibly tasty and healthy food, of course."
      "A classmate of mine, at 12, had size 41 feet. Her grandfather learned to sew shoes, one model, something like pumps without a heel. Because otherwise - at least barefoot. She wore them and was incredibly happy. In winter, she changed into some boots, very similar to army boots."

      So don't you start talking about labor productivity, dear admirers of the Soviet Union. Young people are absolutely not interested in all this nonsense. People just want to live normally, comfortably, and not sacrifice their lives to the communist chimera.
      1. +1
        30 August 2024 16: 16
        Everything is known in comparison. Your note is good for the perestroika times. Now, forty years later, it is clear that this is one big lie.
        1. -3
          30 August 2024 16: 36
          There were no basic things in the stores, what are you even talking about? Sanitary pads, toilet paper, liquid soap - was all that? Where? And if it was somewhere, what was the quality?
          It's good to live in the illusions of a "communist paradise", I wish I could take you back there now)
          1. +2
            30 August 2024 17: 03
            liquid soap - was that all?

            Excuse me, what year were you produced?
            There was plenty of liquid soap in the USSR.
            And since ancient times.
            1. +2
              30 August 2024 17: 10
              The year of birth is written in the nickname. I personally saw liquid soap already living in Russia in the mid-90s. I was from the last group of pioneers and even then no one wore ties, although I liked it. Ideology itself is not bad, but in order for people to think about it, they need to be provided with the benefits of civilization, because no one has canceled the pyramid of needs.
              1. +3
                30 August 2024 17: 36
                The pyramid of needs has not been cancelled.

                You will be surprised, but Maslow was not ignored in the USSR. And you will be even more surprised that 5 of the 7 levels of the "pyramid" in the USSR were closed. Moreover, the "exposers of the USSR" even blame the USSR for the closure of some of them lol
                This will be difficult for a prejudiced person to understand.
              2. +1
                1 September 2024 18: 09
                Ideology itself is not bad, but in order for people to think about it, they need to be provided with the benefits of civilization

                Logical error, the cause-and-effect relationship is broken. He who does not work, neither shall he eat, this condition is known from biblical times. First work and only then food. The reverse is true only for small children.
          2. +1
            30 August 2024 17: 23
            Even now there are no basic things, such as honor, conscience, or justice.
            Speaking of consumers, what do they feed chickens these days, what is sour cream made from, is it possible to eat sausage without harming your health?
            1. -1
              30 August 2024 17: 28
              Yes, everything is there, why grumble? Scoundrels and scoundrels have existed at all times and under any government.
              As for the quality of the products - I can't speak for everyone, but we have a lot of local producers in Chelyabinsk and we don't complain about the quality. The main thing is to earn money so as not to eat cheap stuff.
      2. Egg
        +9
        30 August 2024 16: 17
        Quote: Red_Storm_82
        skinny blue chickens, obviously starved to death and abused, sausage cheese and processed cheese "Druzhba", milk and sour cream in bulk

        What horror you lived in... the chickens were blue but they were raised on natural feed, and not on hormones and antibiotics as they do now, the dead now do not need to be embalmed, the corpses do not rot and worms refuse to eat them.
        Cheese and curds and milk and sour cream were natural, not from palm oil. Long live cancer and allergies, and a huge thank you to our government for this poison.
        Quote: Red_Storm_82
        Unrefined vegetable oil that smells terrible when fried

        It was direct pressing oil from seeds; now such oil is sold in the elite category for crazy money.
        By the way, in 1982, in Ufa, I studied for 6 months in a school of welders famous throughout the country, and not like now, 72 hours of courses, 0 practice and you get... a certified welder... which the holder has never seen, if you even went to classes... 6 thousand rubles and a certificate of professional training as a welder in your pocket.
        And I didn’t notice such horrors in Ufa, in the stores there was everything: chicken, meat, butter, and I even remember buying nutria meat, cheap, healthy and incredibly tasty, where do you get these fantasies from...
        My God, what nonsense is in your head...
        1. +1
          30 August 2024 16: 31
          This is not nonsense in my head, but the memories of people who lived there. Of all this, I personally remember blue hens, boxes of vodka that were used to pay plumbers and electricians for their work, stinking oil and cereal with garbage, as well as empty shelves. This was in northern Kazakhstan, in your beloved USSR. Oranges and bananas could only be obtained in Moscow, as well as normal clothes and shoes.
          1. Egg
            +2
            30 August 2024 16: 35
            Quote: Red_Storm_82
            This is not nonsense in my head

            this is exactly deliriumI was born in 1963 and lived in the USSR already at a conscious age and saw everything with my own eyes, and not from the stories of incomprehensible, faceless "people".
            As for oranges and bananas, their absence at that time was due to the lack of today's modern storage and transportation technologies, and not malicious sabotage. And what was grown in the USSR was in abundance on the shelves.
            And somehow we weren’t very upset about their absence then...
        2. 0
          30 August 2024 18: 13
          Cheese and curds and milk and sour cream were natural, not from palm oil. Long live cancer and allergies, and a huge thank you to our government for this poison.
          Yeah ..
          Nikitos started importing palm trees from Indonesia, and then the volume of purchases only grew.
          And then you open it SOVIET GOST on the combined fat and you will be surprised to learn that the combined fat that you ate 3 times a day for 2 years in SA consists of 72℅ palm oil......
          And your gratitude looks ambiguous - because now you don't have to eat cheese, but back then you were force-fed lard.
          1. 0
            2 September 2024 08: 03
            I like the information about doctor's sausage more. And as for the kombizhet - please clarify what you mean by that? And where in the USSR could I see it?
            1. -3
              2 September 2024 09: 17
              Everything is written to my opponent:
              And then you open the SOVIET GOST on combined fat and are surprised to learn that the combined fat that you ate 3 times a day for 2 years CA - 72℅ consists of palm...
              The volume of palm tree purchases has increased every year since Nikitin’s time.

              And regarding sausage, read carefully the USSR GOSTs and think - where could there be meat in sausage, if only at our small regional meat processing plant up to 100 kg per day were stolen. And in 1977, 62 people were jailed for embezzlement at Mikoyan.
              The naive belief in the sanctity of GOSTs is astounding. You were regularly shown in Fitili, Krokodil, and The Investigation is Conducted by Experts - that these GOSTs were not followed.
              Go into any Khrushchev-era building and you will see unevenness of the ceiling slabs up to 10 cm between each other - and it was also built according to GOST, yeah...
              1. +3
                2 September 2024 09: 54
                And then you open the SOVIET GOST on combined fat and are surprised to learn that the combined fat that you ate 3 times a day for 2 years in the USSR consists of 72% palm oil...
                The volume of palm tree purchases has increased every year since Nikitin’s time.

                The shops sold butter and sour cream. There was also margarine for frying. I don't remember any shortening.
                And regarding sausage, read carefully the USSR GOSTs and think - where could there be meat in sausage, if only at our small regional meat processing plant up to 100 kg per day were stolen. And in 1977, 62 people were jailed for embezzlement at Mikoyan.
                The naive belief in the sanctity of GOSTs is astounding. You were regularly shown in Fitili, Krokodil, and The Investigation is Conducted by Experts - that these GOSTs were not followed.
                Go into any Khrushchev-era building and you will see unevenness of the ceiling slabs up to 10 cm between each other - and it was also built according to GOST, yeah...

                Above you refer to GOST and say - look how bad GOST is. And when it is not profitable for you, immediately - but GOST was not followed!
                Do you seriously think that the scale of the thefts was such that all the meat for sausages throughout the country was eaten exclusively by thieves?
                Sorry, I can't accept your argument. Let me remind you that in the USSR there was a death sentence for economic crimes on an especially large scale, and periodically those who were shot wrote about it in newspaper articles. Don't you think that after that they will choke on such meat if they steal on a large scale?
                1. -3
                  2 September 2024 13: 37
                  Let me remind you that in the USSR there was a death sentence for economic crimes on an especially large scale, and periodically those who were shot wrote about it in newspaper articles. Don't you think that after this they will choke on such meat if they steal on a large scale?
                  Mmmm .....
                  In Moscow, during the state of siege, the death penalty was introduced "for panic, provocation, etc." on the spot, without trial or investigation.
                  ALL the population KNEW about it.
                  Nevertheless, 1080 people were found
                  - which KNOWING They continued to babble about the possibility of being shot - why they were shot.
                  Not the abstract "for a ton of meat" - but right here and now - a bullet in the forehead in a gateway.
                  And how and in what quantities they stole in the 1970s was regularly shown to everyone and printed in newspapers, you yourself confirm this.

                  There was also margarine for frying. I don't remember any combined fat. -
                  next with margarine loose There were always roses or hedgehogs with needles made of matches or fish or some other crap made of it in the shop windows. The sellers made it out of lard - no one bought it anyway.
                  And in SA there are no options - 3 times a day...
                  1. +2
                    2 September 2024 14: 13
                    And how and in what quantities they stole in the 1970s was regularly shown to everyone and printed in newspapers, you yourself confirm this.

                    Would you steal knowing that you would be put up against the wall?

                    There was also margarine for frying. I don't remember any shortening. -
                    Next to the margarine sold by weight there were always roses or hedgehogs with needles made of matches or fish or some other crap made of it in the display cases. The sellers molded it from combined fat - no one bought it anyway.
                    And in SA there are no options - 3 times a day...

                    link to GOST please
                    1. -1
                      2 September 2024 16: 52
                      Would you steal knowing that you would be put up against the wall?
                      Hmm ....
                      People went to Babi Yar - I know that they will be shot there - but they still went.
                      I gave an example with the state of siege in Moscow - when EVERYONE knew that they could shoot you on the spot for your TONGUE - but nevertheless 1080 people were found.
                      In Islam, women who committed adultery have been stoned to death in public squares for 1300 years and are still being stoned to death in some countries.
                      Are you ready to die - very painfully and shamefully from stones - for the sake of sex?
                      In the Middle Ages, counterfeiters were fried alive in oil for several centuries. All the cities knew, "Oh, there's a smell of meat in the deep fat - they're frying." However, the counterfeiters never ended.
                      In China they have been shooting for corruption for 26 years - they grew up, became officials and received a bullet for corruption - those born after they started shooting.
                      In the USSR, people were shot for currency - currency dealers hung out near Beryozki throughout the 1970s and 80s.
                      1. -1
                        10 September 2024 07: 19
                        And the counterfeiters who were fried were ending, and the currency dealers who were shot were becoming much less. And of those 1080 for "panic-mongering" leaning against the wall, fascist lackeys, enemies of the Soviet power, 90 percent were. They were doing it deliberately, sowing panic, planted Cossacks, fighting like that. And a handful of fools. It's funny about Islamic women. Who knows, did Fatima cheat on you or did she hallucinate? They pointed a finger and away we go, because their woman is not a person. If it were impossible to defeat vice, any state would not have such an impressive apparatus for this. Why spend money, because it's pointless?
                      2. 0
                        10 September 2024 09: 07
                        If it were impossible to defeat vice, any state would not maintain such an impressive apparatus for this purpose. Why spend money, because it is pointless?

                        Sanitary cleaning + satisfying the population's sense of justice + intimidating the population to the maximum = the state.
                        You understand perfectly well that to appoint a counterfeiter/panic-monger/ and even an adulteress - anyone who is objectionable can be called one.
                        But always at the same time be next - counterfeiters never ended, there was always an article on currency in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, adultery also seemed to have not ended in 1300 years.
                        There are still no fewer of them.
                        Anti-Soviets were shot throughout the war - and not only in the siege of Moscow. Although everyone understood perfectly well that they would be slapped.
                      3. 0
                        10 September 2024 11: 34
                        It's not true, it became less, it became. Once they spanked or imprisoned, it means there is one less active one. And water doesn't flow under a lying stone (last). Drop your hands? Well, they dropped them and now thieves/fraudsters rule.
                        Adultery has nothing to do with it at all. It's a natural phenomenon, you can't argue with it.
                        They shot, but didn't shoot enough. They lived to see our days, they put poison in the heads of their children and grandchildren, now we are reaping the fruits. The skin issue, about nationalized property, did not give us any peace. They butted heads with the Soviet power, even went to their death. The IVS is right a thousand times - the class struggle never ends.
                      4. 0
                        10 September 2024 12: 01
                        It's not true, it's become less, it has become. Once they spanked or imprisoned, it means there's one less active one.
                        If they had become fewer, then after 1937 there would have been none left in the army. But there were a lot of them. They deserted, surrendered, became saboteurs and spies...

                        Adultery has nothing to do with it at all. It's a natural phenomenon, you can't argue with it.
                        this is a perfect example of how cruel and painful public execution has not stopped anyone in 1300 years

                        IVS is a thousand times right - the class struggle never ends. and where do you see it now, for example in China, where 78% of industry belongs to business?
                        Or in the USA?
                        Or in Denmark with Switzerland?
                      5. 0
                        10 September 2024 15: 01
                        Who in the army became fewer in 37? Counterfeiters, currency dealers?
                        If you are talking about your own people, then you anti-Sovietists have not been eradicated in 70 years. Since you are in power today.
                        It exists in the USA, and in small European countries too. But it is suppressed, just like in the Russian Federation. China is such a substance that it is absolutely impossible to understand and bring to some pole by formal features. The most cunning move of the bourgeoisie in the entire history of class struggle. To bend the proletariat, under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, that's something. The last place where it can manifest itself in an active phase. Slave psychology, mentality. And the tinsel is beautiful, spreading. "Communist" ugh Party of China.

                        Well, that’s why I didn’t stop, because nature took its course.
                      6. 0
                        10 September 2024 16: 20
                        Who in the army became fewer in 37? Counterfeiters, currency dealers?

                        You claimed
                        Once they spanked or jailed, that means there is one less active person.
                        In the army, anti-Soviets were slapped down quite energetically in 1930. But...
                        If they had become fewer, then after 1937 there would have been none left in the army. But there were a lot of them. They deserted, surrendered, became saboteurs and spies...

                        It exists in the US, and in small European countries too. But it is suppressed, just like in the Russian Federation.
                        If class struggle was sluggish there when the USSR existed, then talking about it now in the USA is nonsense. Which no one takes into account - its influence is so vanishingly small
                      7. 0
                        11 September 2024 09: 06
                        I spoke about criminals and the reduction in their numbers as a result of neutralization.
                        According to you, it turns out that all citizens, with rare exceptions, are ready to commit a crime; there are no honest people at all.
                        The distance from 1918 to the 30s is not great. There were still many enemies of the Soviet power.
                        I would exclude surrender from this list. There could be many reasons. The draconian order to surrender is a forced measure for the enemy. Well, we didn't know how to fight, so the Wehrmacht drove us to Moscow and Stalingrad, they instilled fortitude with cruelty.
                        It helped, by the way.
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          3. Egg
            +2
            2 September 2024 16: 21
            Quote: your1970
            And then you open the SOVIET GOST on combined fat and are surprised to learn that the combined fat that you ate 3 times a day for 2 years in the USSR consists of 72% palm oil...

            What GOST are you mentioning here? Link please..
            if GOST 28414-89 is “Fats for cooking, confectionery and bakery industry. General specifications”, and is put into effect from 01.01.1991, so it is already nothing not soviet, and in 1989 the hunchback was already frolicking, so the crap about the USSR is out of place.
            And by the way, this guest was introduced for the first time.
            So it was the democrats who came to power who started feeding people with combined fats, and not in the USSR.
            and in the army, in the USSR, combined fats were not used, there was butter and margarine.
            so you are not one of us, change your nickname
            1. -1
              2 September 2024 22: 31
              Quote: Telur
              if GOST 28414-89 is "Fats for cooking, confectionery and bakery industry. General specifications", and is put into effect from 01.01.1991, so it is no longer Soviet at all, and in 1989 the hunchback was already frolicking, so the crap about the USSR is out of place.

              - not really
              There is such a GOST:
              "PROCESSING OF VEGETABLE OILS, FATS
              AND FATTY ACIDS - HYDROGENATION
              PRODUCTION
              Terms and definitions
              GOST 1 9 7 0 8 -7 4"
              1974
              This GOST defines - what is salomas.For 10 years before Gorbachev and 15 years before GOST 28414-89 — “Fats for cooking, confectionery and bakery industries. General specifications”...
              The hydrogenation industry of the USSR produced more than 25 different brands of lard, which, according to their purpose, were divided into two main types: lard for food purposes (unrefined for the margarine industry) and technical lard, intended for the production of toilet and laundry soap, stearin and some other types of industrial products.
              and then there is a picture about the volumes of palm oil exports.
              For the production of hydrogenated fat.....


              And this is about sausage-
              The new minister, N. A. Shchelokov, apparently quite surprised by the amount of theft at meat and dairy industry enterprises, ordered that all the data be summarized and on February 13, 1967, he sent a note to the Central Committee of the CPSU about the catastrophic state of affairs with the theft of meat and meat products:

              "The data available to the USSR Ministry of Public Order indicate an unfavorable situation with the preservation of socialist property at many meat-processing plants in the country. Systematic thefts and abuses committed there annually cause significant material damage to the state. In just 9 months of 1966, losses from embezzlement, theft and shortages at enterprises and organizations of the meat and dairy industry of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian, Kazakh, Georgian and Azerbaijani USSR reached 1 million 765 thousand rubles. In 1966, the police agencies of some territories and regions of the Russian Federation, the Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh, Latvian, Estonian and Lithuanian SSRs alone exposed about a thousand groups of embezzlers at meat-processing plants. More than 3 thousand people were brought to criminal responsibility. The damage they caused to the state exceeds 500 thousand rubles. In addition, during the same period in the Kazakh, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Estonian SSR, Krasnodar and In the Stavropol Territory, security guards detained about 10 people while carrying stolen goods from enterprises, from whom more than 75 tons of various meat products with a total value of over 150 thousand rubles were confiscated.".

              and this is about antibiotics in meat
              INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE USE OF ANTIBIOTICS IN THE REARING AND FATTLING OF FARM ANIMALS
              (Approved by the USSR Ministry of Agriculture on July 30, 1971 to replace the Recommendations approved by the Board of the USSR Ministry of Agriculture on September 19, 1962.)
              1. Adding antibiotics to animal feed improves their metabolism, increases the feed utilization rate, enhances the synthesis of plastic protein, and increases the resistance of the animal's body. As a result, young animals develop better, grow faster, their incidence decreases, and the loss of livestock decreases.
              With the rational use of antibiotics, along with proper feeding, watering, and animal maintenance, weight gain in calves and lambs increases to 8–12%, piglets to 13–17%, chickens to 15–20%, feed consumption per unit of weight gain decreases to 10–12%, the period of fattening animals to slaughter conditions is shortened, and the cost of meat is reduced.
              1. +2
                3 September 2024 09: 02
                And what scared you so much about this hydrogenation? It's a normal technological process.
                By the way, you can open the book by B.N. Tyutyunnikov, G.L. Yukhnovsky, A.L. Markman. Technology of fat processing. Moscow: PISCHEPROMIZDAT, 1950. On page 81 it says:
                "It should be noted that there is an interesting feature of Western European hydrogenation production. While in the USSR the bulk of hydrogenated fats are intended for the production of soap and technical purposes in general, abroad the overwhelming majority of them are used to produce margarine and edible fats in general." That is, they were poisoned, as you say, in the West, not in the USSR, and now in the Russian Federation they are poisoned in the same way as in the West.

                There is nothing to talk about with you regarding theft; your brazen lies know no bounds.

                Conversation is over.
                1. -2
                  3 September 2024 09: 28
                  There is nothing to talk about with you regarding theft; your brazen lies know no bounds.
                  For you personally - if you NOT watched SOVIET TV series Investigation is conducted by experts (where there are a lot of episodes about theft of social property) if you have not read Man and Law and Soviet newspapers, have not watched Fictil - then yes, there was no theft in the country. Absolutely absolutely...
                  "Only in the scene of the execution of old man Silantius in "Eternal Call" 9 were stolen; in total, 000 were stolen during the filming of this movie."
                  It's from SOVIET from the magazine "Man and Law" from an article about theft in Soviet cinema.
                  The problem is that if you haven’t read or watched all of this, then you haven’t lived in the USSR.
                2. 0
                  3 September 2024 10: 21
                  While in the USSR the bulk of hydrogenated fats are intended for the production of soap and technical purposes in general, abroad the overwhelming majority of them are used to produce margarine and edible fats in general." That is, they poisoned, as you say, in the West, and not in the USSR, and now in the Russian Federation they poison in the same way as in the West.
                  Once again - slowly - since Nikitosov's time, imports of palm oil have been increasing.
                  Soviet citizens started washing 10 times more often by the 1980s? Oh, wow...
                  There was a shortage of animal fats in the country, so they made do with whatever they could.
                  Margarine "Ukrainian" (recipe - palm) has been produced since the 1960s.
                  "Sandwich butter", "Sunshine" and so on.....
                  And there were tons of such margarines
              2. Egg
                -1
                3 September 2024 15: 45
                Quote: your1970

                - not really
                There is such a GOST:
                "PROCESSING OF VEGETABLE OILS, FATS
                AND FATTY ACIDS - HYDROGENATION
                PRODUCTION
                Terms and definitions
                GOST 1 9 7 0 8 -7 4"
                1974
                This GOST defines - what is salomas.For 10 years before Gorbachev and 15 years before GOST 28414-89 — “Fats for cooking, confectionery and bakery industries. General specifications”...
                The hydrogenation industry of the USSR produced more than 25 different brands of lard, which, according to their purpose, were divided into two main types: lard for food purposes (unrefined for the margarine industry) and technical lard, intended for the production of toilet and laundry soap, stearin and some other types of industrial products.
                and then there is a picture about the volumes of palm oil exports.
                For the production of hydrogenated fat...

                An amazing ability to distort everything... you most likely have a liberal arts education, which I call p******sick.
                So... GOST 19708-74 establishes terms and definitions of basic concepts in the field of hydrogenation of vegetable oils, fats and fatty acids used in science, technology and production. has nothing to do with production and recipes!
                and what you are doing here is falsification and twisting of facts to suit your desire to discredit the USSR.
                And stop playing with fonts, it doesn't make your evidence any less false.
                1. -1
                  3 September 2024 19: 44
                  Quote: Telur
                  OST 19708-74 establishes terms and definitions of basic concepts in the field of hydrogenation of vegetable oils, fats and fatty acids used in science, technology and production and has nothing to do with production and recipes!

                  You most likely have a technical background - that's why you don't understand how Basic concepts defined by GOST are transferred to recipes и Technology.
                  It happens....
                  Search by the main conceptfrom this GOST and you will learn a lot of new things for yourself from the food industry of the USSR

                  Quote: Telur
                  discredit the USSR.

                  The USSR disgraced itself - in 1941 everyone stood up for it: the army, the people, the party, the elite, the country's leadership, even criminals, but in 1991, 50 years later, there was not a single person who stood up for it. Not a single one at all...
                  16 million communists (supposedly!) + 23,6 million Komsomol members = 0 (zero!!!) who spoke out in his defense.
                  The army/KGB/MVD played the fool "we can't do anything without an order!", the CPSU stuck its tongue in one place, the people simply kept quiet.
                  Of the 4600 generals/admirals, as many as 2 shot themselves (and even that is not a fact!). The rest were in Feng Shui - they were building dachas.....
                  1. Egg
                    -1
                    4 September 2024 08: 46
                    Quote: your1970
                    You most likely have a technical education - therefore you do not understand how the basic concepts defined by GOST are transferred to recipes and technologies.

                    yes, technical, so I demand clear criteria, including in regulatory documents, projects, drawings, etc., and not smearing snot on a tablet, which is what you are doing here otherwise, why all your jumping around a specific GOST on topics that have nothing to do with this GOST?
                    Since you are a humanities student, think and reason on the topic of the eternal, and do not get involved in specific productions that require clear and precise measurements and concepts.
                    Humanitarians in the management of production are the cruelest scourge of modern Russia, that is why there is chaos and destruction all around, all just the masters’ tongues wagging.
                    1. -1
                      4 September 2024 14: 48
                      yes, technical, so I demand clear criteria, including in regulatory documents, projects, drawings, etc., and not smearing snot on a tablet, which is what you are doing here otherwise, why all your jumping around a specific GOST on topics that have nothing to do with this GOST?
                      For you personally - the concepts are defined by this GOST - this is the basis. In the recipes and technologies, other names of lard were used - for example, hydrofat.
                      And when you see palm hydrofat in a recipe, that is palm lard.
                      And the food industry immediately plays with different colors
                      1. Egg
                        -1
                        4 September 2024 16: 12
                        Quote: your1970
                        For you personally - the concepts are defined by this GOST - this is the basis. In the recipes and technologies, other names of lard were used - for example, hydrofat.
                        And when you see palm hydrofat in a recipe, that is palm lard.

                        Definition of concepts is just for you, humanities students, so that you can’t play with words.
                        And for us, techies, there are GOSTs with specific recipes, with precise indication of composition, components and characteristics. like GOST 28414-89, which mentions palm. But this GOST is no longer the USSR.
                      2. 0
                        10 September 2024 09: 53
                        And for us, techies, there are GOSTs with specific recipes, with precise indication of the composition, components and characteristics..

                        But this GOST is no longer the USSR.
                        -
                        So in 1989 it was possible not to observe it? Because it was no longer the USSR? However...
                        And was the Criminal Code of the RSFSR aware that it was no longer working?
                        And some people think that socialism ended in 1953, and that state capitalism followed....
                      3. Egg
                        0
                        10 September 2024 21: 18
                        It is also written there in Russian: “Date of entry into force: 01.01.1991.”
                      4. 0
                        10 September 2024 21: 39
                        There's also Russian belay It is written in the language: "Date of entry into force: 01.01.1991."
                        I repeat - Russian language - a 02.01.1991 The USSR no longer existed?
                      5. 0
                        13 September 2024 11: 47
                        What are you going to see in GOST or TU?
                        There are technical specifications for margarine from 85.

                        GOST 240-85
                        STATE STANDARD OF THE UNION SSR
                        MARGARINE
                        General specifications
                        Date introduced 1986-07-01

                        So what? There are no indications of how much and what kind of vegetable oil should be there specifically. There is only the total proportion of vegetable fats and their list.
                        Regulatory documents, both then and now, often had and have vague wording or even a lack of basic parameters.
      3. +4
        30 August 2024 16: 35
        Wipe yourself with your footcloth - what do you think milk is made of these days? You could get jailed for a long time for splashing water into milk.
        My sneakers were leather from the Zaraysk factory and cost 41 rubles. I wore them for 3 years and they didn’t wear out.
        1. -6
          30 August 2024 16: 38
          Wipe it with your sneakers, clown. I've been wearing Nike for 5 years now and not a single Soviet boot has come close in terms of quality and comfort.
          1. -1
            30 August 2024 16: 45
            You live by proxy in general, your sneakers are the result of the labor of workers from Southeast Asia and the oil pipeline that the communists pulled from Siberia - you are a zero, a good-for-nothing, a biped with an atrophied brain. Apart from the sneakers in a bunch of straw that replaces your organ of thought, you only have sneakers from Nike.
            1. -2
              30 August 2024 17: 04
              I will tell you a secret, oh great thinker, stuck in the past, unable to see beyond your nose. The fact that you are now clicking on the keyboard and bringing your "light of truth" to the masses is also the result of the work of Western civilization and the workers of Southeast Asia, and not at all the "blessed" USSR. People like you can only drag the country back. The people spoke out in the referendum, and then what? Thousand-strong rallies? Support for the State Emergency Committee? No, no one cared, including you personally. Now, enjoying all the benefits of modern Western civilization, you can pretend to be a defender of the USSR, but in fact you are a zero, because your thoughts diverge from reality. Capitalism has won, there is no communism even in China. Open your eyes and turn on the rest of your brain, if there is anything left to turn on.
            2. -4
              30 August 2024 17: 31
              You live by proxy in general.

              And who wrote it out? I live because I work for slackers like you, and I usually don't waste time swearing on the Internet, because it's useless anyway. Better go and raise chickens)
            3. 0
              1 September 2024 01: 15
              And who supplied these pipes?! ))) Why in the exceptional USSR, where "everything" was made, could they simply not produce large diameter pipes for selling raw materials?! ))) I'll give you a tip, if you don't know:

              The deal of the century: "gas and pipes"
        2. -4
          30 August 2024 16: 43
          For splashing water into milk you could get a long prison sentence.

          Ahahaha! The entire OBKhSS is crying bitterly. They could have gone to jail, or they could have not gone to jail. I wonder what made people in 1991 just forget about the collapse of the USSR and joyfully welcome the new government? Were they all traitors and Western agents?
          I'm telling you, the Soviet Union is incurable.
          1. +3
            30 August 2024 16: 46
            People are built that way - not everyone and not always can appreciate the epochal changes in the economic system and their negative consequences - but 30 years was enough. In 1991, no one was happy - the referendum gave an answer regarding the preservation of the USSR.
        3. -4
          2 September 2024 09: 25
          My sneakers were leather from the Zaraysk factory and cost 41 rubles. I wore them for 3 years and they didn’t wear out.
          Reply
          Quote

          Let me remind you that 41 rubles = 2/3 of the then 60-ruble minimum wage.
          2/3 of the current year - roughly 11.
          Are you now buying sneakers for 11 or 000?
          At least compare the prices a little bit. fool
      4. 0
        30 August 2024 18: 38
        Quote: Red_Storm_82

        "A classmate of mine, at 12, had size 41 feet. Her grandfather learned to sew shoes, one model, something like pumps without a heel. Because otherwise - at least barefoot. She wore them and was incredibly happy. In winter, she changed into some boots, very similar to army boots."
        We had a girl in our kindergarten group, the daughter of a single mother who had worked as a janitor all her life. She didn't have any tights.
        Young people are not interested in all this nonsense. People just want to live normally and comfortably, and not sacrifice their lives to the communist chimera.

        There were poor people in the USSR and now. I remember two twins came to our factory in 2010. They were 20 years old. Holey tights and worn-out boots...
      5. 0
        30 August 2024 21: 57
        It's not even funny. The brain scoop is incurable.
        By some indications, it is you who has a scoop brain. Are you not too lazy to churn out such texts with your hooves? Do you really believe that someone reads your writings? I bet you are from Israel. Only in Israel do people like to churn out such huge texts about nothing. Are you expressing yourself in this way because there is no demand?
        1. -3
          30 August 2024 23: 30
          Firstly, I have fingers, not hooves, you uneducated boor. Secondly, what kind of intelligence do you have to have to decide that I typed this by hand? laughing And you lost the argument, I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and I live in Russia, and I provided this information for reflection with the hope that at least a tiny percentage of the USSR admirers on this site will awaken critical thinking. But what is the point of your senseless comment - it is absolutely impossible to understand, you are our "in-demand" laughing
          1. -1
            31 August 2024 01: 11
            Secondly, what kind of intelligence do you need to have to decide that I typed this by hand?
            You also copy-paste without providing a link to the original source in the text? You are our plagiarist. You can write here as much as you like that you are Russian, but your manner of conducting discussions, arrogance and desire to teach everyone leads to the idea that you are from an ethnic group that is embarrassed to voice its nationality. And my comment is that you are not able to express your own thoughts without plagiarism.
            1. 0
              31 August 2024 11: 04
              You can find the original source yourself if you want. But your manner of presenting me as a Jew makes me wonder if you have a portrait of Hitler hanging on your wall.
          2. mz
            +2
            31 August 2024 10: 23
            Quote: Red_Storm_82

            and I have provided this food for thought with the hope that at least a tiny percentage of USSR fans on this site will awaken critical thinking.

            I've been wearing Nike for 5 years now and not a single Soviet boot even comes close in terms of quality and comfort..

            Comparing Nike sneakers made using modern technology with "bots" made in the 80s is another way of demonstrating that you are the one who completely lacks critical thinking. But you have already shown this by attacking the USSR with "criticism" without comparing the average standard of living of a Soviet person and the standard of living of an ordinary person even in developed capitalist countries. And there are also such capitalist countries as Nigeria, Kenya, Bangladesh, Burkina Faso, etc., where even now the majority of people live no better than in the USSR in the 30s.
            1. -3
              31 August 2024 11: 17
              Good. Compare the Soviet boots of the 80s and Nikes of the 80s, the result will be the same. There is no point in even talking about the average standard of living, since history itself has put everything in its place. There is no more USSR and never will be, not a single country wants to unite with us (except Belarus, but even that is conditional), but that's good - let everyone do it themselves.
            2. 0
              1 September 2024 14: 26
              I bought Kemry 85 sneakers, and they lasted for five years. I wore them when I went fishing and hunting.
      6. +1
        1 September 2024 14: 23
        There was no meat at the market in 1978. People didn't stand in line for bread. I did stand for sour cream when I was a kid. When I was a schoolboy, I worked part-time in the summer and bought shoes for 30 rubles, a suit for 80 rubles. When I served as a lieutenant, and I served in the Air Force, and there in the flight technical canteen they fed us well, but sometimes we bought pelmeni or a bucket of potatoes for three rubles, and this was in the Chita region. And when I studied at a military school in Kharkov, the supplies there were not bad. In 1990, I had dinner in a restaurant in Birobidzhan, it cost 20 rubles with a salary of 275 rubles, and now with a pension of 30 thousand you can eat a lot in a restaurant, and those people have a pension of 15 thousand.
    4. -5
      30 August 2024 15: 31
      Yes, the productivity of the ordinary Soviet citizen was two orders of magnitude greater than that of today's office plankton, who live on the ruins of a great country.

      The problem is not that it was higher than that of the current, as you say, plankton, but that it was lower in its time than in the same GDR, for example (I will not write about developed capitalist countries, in order to avoid an overly violent reaction)
      1. +1
        30 August 2024 16: 40
        The question is not this, but how much closer the USSR came in terms of material wealth to the most economically developed countries compared to the Russian Empire and modern Russia.
        1. -1
          30 August 2024 16: 55
          The question is not this, but how much closer the USSR came in terms of material wealth to the most economically developed countries compared to the Russian Empire and modern Russia.

          It may be nice to look at the intermediate results, but it is not right. It is like a runner who almost caught up with everyone, but in the end overextended himself because he decided that he could beat everyone solely on moral and volitional strength, ignoring progress in equipment, sports chemistry, training methods, etc. The saddest thing is that having equipment, chemistry, and methods.
    5. +1
      30 August 2024 15: 38
      There were idlers and parasites in the minority both during the USSR and after their takeover of the USSR.
      They captured the USSR only in order to parasitize on the labor of others, to get rich at the expense of their country and people, and for 30 years they have been bragging like everyone else, “it’s better now than in the USSR,” because they HAVE had a lot of things, and it’s useless to ask them what they have done that is useful for their country and people, they simply don’t understand this question.
  8. +11
    30 August 2024 15: 02
    Unfortunately, those who did not live at that time are trying to tell tales about that period.
    At that time I lived and served, and during regular aviation exercises I saw 50 Tu-22M2 and Tu-16 in the air (since we are on a military project).
    1. -3
      30 August 2024 15: 12
      Well, yes, the USSR had a 3-5 million army at its peak, but we just need to look at how these millions contributed to the GDP.
      1. -4
        30 August 2024 15: 14
        Sorry, I didn't understand your comment.
      2. +2
        30 August 2024 15: 16
        How do they participate now? Tell me, it's very interesting
        1. -7
          30 August 2024 15: 22
          Klobochek
          No way. There is a shortage of labor force.
          Without
          The 3-5 million army devoured a huge amount of resources. Only about 80 nuclear submarines were riveted. China's army is now 2 times smaller
          1. +10
            30 August 2024 15: 26
            And now a small number of, how to call them more politely, radishes in uniform have gobbled up almost more resources in the form of money. It is better to spend it on the army, and not to let rivers flow into pockets.
            1. +2
              30 August 2024 15: 48
              11 trillion is one and a half hundred submarines, it's even surprising what they spent such money on. After all, you can't even build such mansions, after all, 11 trillion is 33 Lakhta Center skyscrapers or 11 Moscow City
              1. -6
                30 August 2024 16: 06
                11 trillion is one and a half hundred submarines, it's even surprising what they spent that kind of money on. After all, you can't even build mansions like that
                -
                You seriously believe in 11 trillion???
                That was allocated for the army 1/3 budget??!!!
                At least appreciate it for the sake of decency ALL budget of the Russian Federation and only then evaluate it in APL or Lakhta cents!!!

                According to the law, the Russian budget revenues in 2023 will amount to 26,1 trillion rubles, in 2024 - 27,2 trillion, in 2025 - 28 trillion rubles. Expenditures are planned in the amount of 29,1 trillion in 2023, 29,4 trillion in 2024 and 29,2 trillion in 2025.
                1. +1
                  30 August 2024 16: 34
                  11 trillion is from 2009 to 2022, they stole only a third of the money. Or almost the entire state defense order. You don't believe this?
                2. +2
                  30 August 2024 16: 44
                  Do you seriously believe in 11 trillion???
                  That 1/3 of the budget was allocated to the army??!!!

                  Does the figure 11 trillion exist separately from the time period over which these 11 trillion are blurred?
                  1. -1
                    31 August 2024 09: 09
                    Does the figure 11 trillion exist separately from the time period over which these 11 trillion are blurred??
                    Do you think it is technologically possible to:
                    alexoff
                    +1
                    Yesterday, 16: 34
                    11 trillion is from 2009 to 2022, only a third of the money was stolen. Or almost all of it belay state defense order.
                    ?
                    Some amount of equipment was still delivered to the army. Less than it could have been, but not zero. Conditionally, 9 tanks out of 10 possible actually arrived, but not 0 or 1 out of 10.
          2. -2
            30 August 2024 15: 39
            Sorry, I'm not ready to argue with you.
            You are talking about mythical resources, and I am talking about the Army.
            And I'm not very interested in China...
          3. 0
            30 August 2024 15: 43
            This was the period of the "cold war" with the West. But why the hell did you, enemies of the USSR, manage to quarrel out of nowhere with the enemies of the USSR who had seized other republics of the USSR, and with the enemies of the USSR in the West, because of which in the last 10 years you have poured colossal amounts of money into the military-industrial complex and the army?
  9. +7
    30 August 2024 15: 11
    Why Brezhnev's reign is called the "period of stagnation"

    And who is calling/called?
    It’s disgusting even to comment on this anonymous anti-Soviet article.
    1. +8
      30 August 2024 15: 22
      Quote: Amateur
      And who is calling/called?

      "You can't even paint what was built under my grandfather..." - said Brezhnev's granddaughter on Malakhov's show, where liberals gathered to denigrate the country's Soviet past, said it and left the studio, and the liberals sat and fell silent. Or better yet, just ask those who grew up at that time, What is better, Brezhnev's stagnation or Putin's stability? You'll learn a lot about "stagnation". hi
      1. +1
        30 August 2024 15: 55
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Or better yet, just ask those who grew up at that time, What is better, Brezhnev's stagnation or Putin's stability? You'll learn a lot about "stagnation".


        I grew up in stagnation. I can't give a definite answer.

        It is better now because there is a greater choice of goods, many of which are more affordable than then. In general, the average person's income is much higher today. There is more freedom now, and more free information, although in recent years this freedom has been increasingly limited. I read books that I previously knew only the titles of, and that is important to me.

        It was better then because a person was not afraid of anything, was protected from the tyranny of the authorities, did not think with anxiety about tomorrow, because he was socially protected, a person considered his country the most just - according to some concepts, it was. Social inequality was insignificant.

        I'm talking about the situation before 1985, when things started to get worse rapidly.
      2. +2
        30 August 2024 16: 57
        What is better, Brezhnev's stagnation or Putin's stability? You will learn a lot about "stagnation"... I am a person born in 1962 in St. Petersburg. I can say that the only time worse than the "holy liberal 90s" is the Great Patriotic War!
  10. 0
    30 August 2024 15: 14
    Topic for... discussion?
  11. -5
    30 August 2024 15: 16
    A characteristic feature of compatriots is to look for the causes of problems in the fact that "the master did not think it through... It was necessary to rule wisely, but without intelligence - it is not necessary."

    In fact, in the post-war period, a new ruling class gradually emerged in society. A class unthinkable in other societies. A class of bosses-thieves, who subjugated the entire state apparatus and eventually took power.

    This could only happen with complete passivity and in the absence of other social movements among the people, except for the most powerful "organized criminal group movement". All the people's strength went there.
    Why steal - a man understands and here his ingenuity knows no bounds. But why then work and not steal - he cannot understand; after all, there is no master! Everything around is mine... And when he understands, it will be too late to be smart and understand and drink Borjomi.
    . As they say, "Maxim died, and...with him." Everything God does is for the best. laughing
  12. +1
    30 August 2024 15: 21
    I asked elderly acquaintances who are now over 70, and they all say that their best life was in the period 1970-1979.
  13. 0
    30 August 2024 15: 25
    Prices have been stagnant for years! I remember a mayonnaise jar (250 g) of beluga caviar cost 10 rubles. Now it's $200.
    1. -3
      30 August 2024 16: 25
      There was nothing in the stores, and there was no free space in the home refrigerators!
  14. +1
    30 August 2024 15: 42
    Does anyone here watch the video before writing a comment?
  15. 0
    30 August 2024 15: 44
    It was called stagnation because the growth of the economy roughly corresponded to the growth of the population. The holes in the budget were then covered by the export of resources instead of straining. Then the children of all these party bigwigs divided the country
  16. +4
    30 August 2024 15: 49
    "Stagnation" - in comparison with the post-war restoration of the USSR, which gave huge figures for economic growth. And under Brezhnev the USSR had already been restored.
    And between economic growth under Brezhnev of 3-5% per year, and economic growth under Putin of the same 3-5% per year, there is a huge difference.
    Under Brezhnev, this is what was done that was useful for the country and the people, produced, built for the country and the people; under Putin, this is speculation, the export of natural resources and raw materials, “screwdriver assembly” from imported materials, the construction of housing for the “gentlemen.”
  17. -1
    30 August 2024 15: 59
    In the social sphere, things were not going smoothly either. There was a deterioration in the moral state of society. In the 1970s, censorship and restrictions on freedom of speech and creativity increased, which caused a feeling of apathy and disappointment among many citizens.


    What a lie. What the hell is apathy? It's just that the higher the wealth of the electorate, the less interested they are in politics.
    The only thing that can be blamed on Leonid Ilyich is that a kind of class of party nobility began to form.
    However, it was not closed like it is now. If you want to grow up the party line, join the CPSU, shout at meetings and you will be happy.
    What was worse was that a class of workers and peasants’ bourgeoisie and proletariat-intelligentsia was formed.
    It was precisely these two classes that served as the breeding ground for the future collapse of the USSR.
    1. -2
      30 August 2024 16: 42
      The only thing that can be blamed on Leonid Ilyich is that a kind of class of party nobility began to form.
      However, it was not closed like it is now. If you want to grow up the party line, join the CPSU, shout at meetings and you will be happy.
      Here at the Krasnogorsk mechanical plant from the perestroika years until 2006 the director was a certain Goev, whose rapid career rise the workers of the plant considered to be a consequence of the fact that his father in the Belovezhskaya Pushcha organized hunting for comrade Brezhnev and brought him strong drinks. Well, and in the 90s he turned the plant into a cash cow, when no one received a salary for months, but Goev's salary stub did not fit the figures. So Brezhnev's actions are related to the present day.
      1. -2
        30 August 2024 17: 56
        Here at the Krasnogorsk mechanical plant from the perestroika years until 2006 the director was a certain Goev, whose rapid career rise the workers of the plant considered to be a consequence of the fact that his father in the Belovezhskaya Pushcha organized hunting for comrade Brezhnev and brought him strong drinks. Well, and in the 90s he turned the plant into a cash cow, when no one received a salary for months, but Goev's salary stub did not fit the figures. So Brezhnev's actions are related to the present day.


        Where did I say that it was Brezhnev who raised the modern “elite”?
        1. -1
          30 August 2024 18: 52
          Well, in general, in the fragment I highlighted about the party nobility, who then all decided to change parties and officially register their titles
          1. -2
            30 August 2024 19: 17
            Well, in general, in the fragment I highlighted about the party nobility, who then all decided to change parties and officially register their titles


            Still, they have nothing to do with the modern "elite". But as soil, yes.
            1. -1
              30 August 2024 19: 43
              Those party nobles and their children simply couldn't hold on to the loot for the most part, they were cut off by the nimble Komsomol members. Like the Spaniards who dragged gold from all over the Americas, and then spent it all on all sorts of Dutch lace and the like, and the capital eventually flowed to the Anglo-Saxons, and they're not letting it go.
    2. +1
      30 August 2024 16: 51
      The only thing that can be blamed on Leonid Ilyich is that a kind of class of party nobility began to form.
      I agree with that. I will add that no one was particularly monitoring what was happening in the union republics. In the Baltics, in Central Asia. They reported, and that was it. The problems appeared later, but their shoots sprouted right then.
  18. +4
    30 August 2024 16: 07
    The article or statement, by the way, is not signed; the author understands that it is a gross lie, a fraud.
    I myself lived and worked at that time. I studied and worked all the time at that time. Those who had the ability, skills and desire lived well by those standards. Those who did not want to study and did not bother at all worked as taxi drivers and waiters and also lived well. Pattern fitters, ship welders, ship assemblers in the seventies and eighties received 500 rubles a month. With an average salary in the country of 150-180 rubles. Yes, the minimum wage was 72 rubles. A ticket from Krasnoyarsk to Sochi was 70 rubles. From Krasnoyarsk to Novosibirsk, three rubles, if I'm not mistaken. Bread was 15 kopecks. Work was in full swing everywhere, they were building factories of various profiles, hydroelectric power plants, thermal power plants, Krasnoyarsk from 200 thousand people in the 60s grew to a million people in the 90s, and almost everyone was given apartments. And where is the stagnation? soldier
    1. 0
      30 August 2024 16: 46
      Yes, the minimum wage was 72 rubles.
      The minimum wage was lower. An apprentice car mechanic earned 67 rubles.
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        2 September 2024 16: 32
        Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
        As an apprentice auto mechanic he earned 67 rubles.

        You received student pay, but the minimum wage was actually 72 rubles.
        1. 0
          2 September 2024 16: 34
          I won't argue. If only because I didn't think about it then and didn't find out anything.
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            2 September 2024 16: 40
            Well, I worked in a village communal farm in the summer, during school holidays, for 2 years, 77 and 78, as a laborer (I earned money for a motorcycle) laughing ) received 72 rubles a month.
  19. +1
    30 August 2024 16: 08
    I registered only to comment on this "masterpiece". As Nina Andreeva once said, I can't keep silent. I'm sick of these "experts" who are fattened on the USSR's food and are ready to sell their own mother, just to denigrate the years of L.I. Brezhnev's "reign". I'm tired of these tales about the inefficiency of the planned economy, persecution of freedom of speech, the bloody KGB, etc., etc.
    There is no point in refuting this lie within the framework of this post; much has already been written and spears broken.
    But only someone or a scoundrel can say that stagnation began in the USSR in the mid-70s!
    The rise of the Non-Black Earth Region, the construction of the Baikal-Amur Mainline, space flights (they flew like they were going to work), the construction of nuclear power plants (one unit per year) - is this stagnation??? And under Gorbachev we began to experience rapid development???
    During Leonid Ilyich's time, such a groundwork was made in the economy, politics, science, society, etc., that it was enough for the country not to cease to exist after 30 years of active selling of its interests and plundering of its wealth. May God grant modern Russia such leaders as there were in the "stagnant" USSR!!!
    That's it, I've let off some steam, now I'll be quiet for a long time))
    P.S. By the way, the "Khrushchev thaw" seemed like it only at first, but now more and more people who lived at that time understand that it was a slush...
  20. -1
    30 August 2024 16: 14
    Gorbachev had to prepare the country for the transition to capitalism. That's when the mud was thrown. And stagnation was invented under Gorbachev. Now there is real degradation. They even use tanks built during the stagnation.
  21. +1
    30 August 2024 16: 24
    Why Brezhnev's reign is called the "period of stagnation"

    At least remember that under the LIB, Soviet hockey players were world and European champions.
    If there had been stagnation under Brezhnev, which the bourgeoisie and their lackeys tell us about, we would not have had anything to steal and export in the 90s.
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  23. +1
    30 August 2024 16: 43
    How to compare the modern period and name it? After "stagnation": loss of territories, demography - decline, deindustrialization, loss of sovereignty (information, technological, commodity), destruction of the advanced system of education and culture by converting them into services. The assessment is clearer with a non-Russian word - kata - downward movement. Catastrophe.
  24. +3
    30 August 2024 16: 45
    1. There was stagnation, yes. But it represented stability for ordinary citizens. I don't think it was that bad.
    2. There were problems with the economy. Because there was an arms race. Because all efforts were thrown into the military-industrial complex. But we lived quite normally. I lived during the reign of Leonid Ilyich. I have been living here since 1968. There was always something to eat at home. There was milk, cheese, and sausage, 2-20 each. Lyubitelskaya or Doktorskaya. Or Molochnaya. Yes, not cervelat. Not smoked. But normal sausage.
    3. Started working in 1984. As an apprentice car mechanic. 67 rubles a month net. This was no longer the Brezhnev era, but everything was going on as it had under Leonid Ilyich. I lived with my grandfather, and together, his pension and my salary allowed us to live in peace. Utilities, food, drink, and plus, with each paycheck, I bought myself a JVC cassette. 9 rubles each, from Soyuzpechat. Both my grandfather and I smoked. Astra was enough for me then. 1 pack. 25 kopecks. My grandfather smoked only Belomor all his life, mine, as far as I can remember. I brought him Kazbek and Herzegovina Flor once... He told me - thank you, but you smoke it yourself, right?
    4. But discipline at work was not even lame. It was practically non-existent... They drank. A lot and often. And everyone. Both ordinary workers and the bosses. Perhaps, by the way, Marked One started his anti-alcohol campaign precisely because of this...
    Instead of point Five. It wasn't stagnation. It was a completely normal life. With its joys and troubles. And as for Leonid Ilyich, in my opinion, only Indira Gandhi wasn't afraid: he would fly in, come down the ramp, and then start three times, with all his heart, and with a smooch...
    Yes, both in Europe and in America they were afraid of him! They were also traditional then... smile
    1. +1
      1 September 2024 01: 26
      "I bought myself a JVC cassette. For 9 rubles, at Soyuzpechat"

      And why, excuse me, the damned JVC?! And not the Orthodox Svema or, God forbid, Tasma?! ))) And not for 9 rubles, but let's say a ruble for 3 ... )))))))))))))))))))))))))>
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        1 September 2024 04: 25
        And I bought them. But the Japanese ones were much better in quality. They lasted longer.
  25. 0
    30 August 2024 17: 16
    The Golden Age of Soviet Power. But again they took a wrong turn....
  26. 0
    30 August 2024 21: 02
    It is stagnation only for liberals who need to justify the destruction of the USSR and the deterioration of the lives of peoples.
  27. 0
    31 August 2024 05: 17
    Brezhnev's stagnation ended with a farewell funeral whistle throughout the country in November 1982. Then there was a period of stagnation mixed with hearse races.
    The Brezhnev period of decline in production itself is characterized only by an increase in the role of political workers and the absence of breakthrough ideas in accelerating the economy.
    or more simply...the Monomakh's cap was not for Leonid Ilyich...and he quickly became bronzed in the highest position. And in his declining years he was already an invalid, imitating work activity...like Biden.
    Putin is already in full swing going through the bronzing stage.......
    Apparently the rulers of Russia have such a path...to go through all the stages of power.
    I can't seem to learn when to leave...the institution of the presidency isn't taking hold.
  28. +1
    1 September 2024 09: 13
    The article provides a superficial description of the economy of that time, and without a description and analysis of Kosygin’s reforms, it looks completely empty:
    https://old.bigenc.ru/domestic_history/text/2103190

    Apparently this is the reason for so many comments: "some go to the forest, some get firewood."

    Regarding Rosstat and prices in the comments - it is not right to mislead people by substituting concepts - in 1992 prices were already 50 times higher than Soviet prices in the 80s.
  29. 0
    3 September 2024 11: 34
    Okay, stagnation is not the bottom! And the period from the 90s to today can be called the period of plundering of the Russian heritage of the period of stagnation! If anything new is being built, it is at the expense of the budget, for specific owners!
  30. 0
    5 September 2024 13: 26
    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    I read that Kosygin said that serious reforms of the USSR economy were needed, but his ideas were brushed aside, and in the end, time was lost.


    It was Kosygin's reforms that gave rise to negativity in the Soviet economy. It is not for nothing that liberals respect him.
  31. 0
    5 September 2024 13: 31
    Quote: Sensor
    The collapse of the system was inevitable. And it began with a fight against bureaucracy, saying that middle managers were to blame and so it went


    Nonsense. Another thing is that some of those in power had serious forces and motivation to break the system and replace it with the current market system. Many negative aspects were fabricated intentionally, artificially, essentially sabotage.

    Any "system" is not doomed to collapse in itself. The "system" is always deliberately killed and replaced by another.
    No crisis in itself will bury an “ism” in the absence of subjective factors (having specific names).
  32. -1
    5 September 2024 13: 40
    Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
    2. There were problems with the economy. Because there was an arms race. Because all efforts were thrown into the military-industrial complex. But we lived quite normally. I lived during the reign of Leonid Ilyich. I have been living here since 1968. There was always something to eat at home. There was milk, cheese, and sausage, 2-20 each. Lyubitelskaya or Doktorskaya. Or Molochnaya. Yes, not cervelat. Not smoked. But normal sausage.


    There were no particular problems with the economy. And the arms race was a minor issue.
    Yes, consumer goods production lagged. But there was mass housing construction, infrastructure development, and the development of Siberia and the Far North.
    The military-industrial complex did not take much for itself, in percentage terms much less than in the 50s. The fuel and energy complex took no less.
    The USSR then resembled a tight-fisted peasant who under-eats bread in the spring in order to leave more grain for sowing. The system then worked for the future, sometimes to the detriment of the present. But the Soviet people by that time had become quite bourgeois, thought less about the future, about the well-being of their descendants, and wanted to live curly here and now. Consumerism and the pursuit of fashionable clothes flourished.
    In the post-Soviet era, our new "system" began to resemble an alcoholic whose strict and homely wife had died. Party as much as I wanted, drinking away what had been earned earlier. It was enough for a while, there was more vodka and sausage, but the country was increasingly sliding into the abyss...
  33. 0
    5 September 2024 13: 47
    Quote: UserGun
    And why, excuse me, the damned JVC?! And not the Orthodox Svema or, God forbid, Tasma?! )))


    Just imagine, but JVC, Maxell, BASF and the rest of the world bought them back then, even the Yankees. What can you do, it is impossible to be at the level of the best world analogues in everything. Especially if you invest tens of times less in the production of goods than foreign competitors.
    The Yankees were at the origins of mass production of color TVs. And then they hopelessly lost it to competitors and now they buy Samsungs and Sonys to watch their CNN.
    Such a squiggle. laughing
  34. -1
    14 September 2024 17: 43
    I will die already, but I am openly glad that thanks to Brezhnev I was able to live in peace and quiet in Czechoslovakia. True, in the West the products were better and that was it. Today, theoretically, we have everything, but life is difficult for us. We have no idea, but our country is becoming a fascist state, like Italy in 1932. How could you allow the fall of the USSR, how could we allow the fall of our army, the majority would have gone to war with you, you betrayed yourself and it hurts me. am
  35. 0
    14 September 2024 18: 56
    Everything is explained very simply, before him there was a period of some development, correct and incorrect. And the Brezhnev period is a stable and systematic implementation of what was achieved and its confident implementation. People lived calmly and confident in the future.