Mass migration and the question of the survival of the Russian civilization. Part of 2

It is more and more obvious that the priority measure for some stabilization in the issue of migration is the visa regime with the countries of Central Asia. More than two decades have passed since the collapse of the USSR, and many still have the illusion that in the republics of Central Asia our former compatriots live, people close to us in culture and mentality. However, during this time there have already grown generations who do not know the Russian language, Russian culture. In these countries, not only de-Sovietisation was carried out, but also de-Russification, which took place simultaneously with the strengthening of nationalist sentiments. Moreover, this region is strongly degraded culturally, socio-economically, and is in a state of increasing archaic attributes. There is an increase in the authority of religion, radical currents of Islam.

Central Asia is rolling to the so-called. "Neo-feudalism", there is a gradual "Afghanization" of the region. Tajikistan survived several years of civil war, its economy degraded to such an extent that remittances from Tajik migrants accounted for almost half of the country's GDP. Kyrgyzstan in recent years has experienced several revolutions and large-scale unrest, often very bloody. In Russia, the notion of “abandoning” has even appeared, that is, to participate in the destruction of the infrastructure of one’s own country, at the suggestion of certain external and internal forces. Kyrgyzstan has become a state where there was a major ethnic conflict - between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks. Not stable and Uzbekistan.

Experts talk about the possibility of conflict between the former Soviet republics. Thus, the forecast report of the National Intelligence Council, published in Washington, states that inter-state conflicts over water resources are possible in the period before 2030 in Central Asia. The problem of water resources both within the states and at the interstate level can become a more serious source of disagreement than minerals or energy. In addition, disputes over agricultural land have already been noted. It is also necessary to take into account the dangerous proximity of the “zone of chaos” - Afghanistan, which has become the main producer of heroin on the planet.

Thus, the problem of degradation of the Central Asian region is obvious. Therefore, open borders with the countries of Central Asia are inappropriate. An exception can be made only for Kazakhstan. And then you need to consider the current policy of his leadership. When Astana attempts to evade integration within the framework of the Eurasian Union, the visa regime must be introduced with Kazakhstan. Thus, recently, under pressure from accusations of a possible loss of part of national sovereignty, Astana has blocked the recent integration initiatives of Moscow, and there has been a pause in the integration processes between Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. In particular, in September 2012, Russian State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin expressed the idea of ​​establishing a Eurasian parliament. However, the secretary of the ruling Nur Otan party, Yerlan Karin, called this idea “only the desire of the Russian side”. He also stated that the creation of a supranational political structure cannot be discussed in principle, since it directly affects the sovereignty of Kazakhstan. Karina's statement was made on the day when Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Kazakhstan, which is hardly accidental. The Kazakh opposition, in which nationalistic sentiments are strong, took a sharply negative position on this issue.

There were other negative signals from Kazakhstan. 14 December 2012 of the year N. Nazarbayev, in a message to the people of the republic, “Strategy Kazakhstan-2050” quite unexpectedly instructed 2025 to work out the question of translating the Kazakh alphabet into Latin graphics. The idea of ​​“romanization” of Kazakh literature was lobbied by nationalists for two decades now and has received a green light. In addition, the Pan-Turkist vector of Kazakhstan's foreign policy has intensified. Last October, during a visit to the Turkish capital, the Kazakh leader surprised political scientists with a speech calling for the unity of the Turkic peoples. According to him, 200 million Turks live between Altai and the Mediterranean Sea, and if they unite, they will become "a very effective force in the world." Moreover, Nazarbayev criticized the time Kazakhstan was in the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. During the 150 years, when Kazakhstan was a “colony” of Russia, “the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion,” he said. As a result, some analysts began talking about Astana leaning toward the Pan-Turkic project.

On the website "For visa regime" it is reported that the political movement "New Force" has collected more than 100 thousand signatures in support of the visa regime with the countries of Central Asia and Transcaucasia. March 6 collected signatures are going to transfer to the presidential administration. The leader of the movement, Valery Solovey, said that the collection of signatures will continue with “the aim of introducing a visa regime and blocking amendments to the law on citizenship.” Recall that in June 2012, Vladimir Putin at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, said that all initiatives that could collect 100 thousand authorized signatures on the Internet would be considered by the State Duma. In addition, Putin in his message to the Federal Assembly promised to introduce with the countries that will be within the framework of the Customs Union and the Common Economic Space, the visa regime from 2015 year.

According to the Federal Migration Service (FMS), about 2012 million migrants lived in the Russian Federation in 5 year. However, independent experts who are guided by the volume of remittances, argue that they are at least twice as large. According to the FMS, about 13 – 14 million foreigners visit Russia annually, 70% of them are citizens of the CIS countries. Only 1,3 million foreigners work or are trained on a legal basis.

The head of the FMS, Konstantin Romodanovsky, announced the latest figures. In total, 10,2 million foreigners currently reside in the Russian state. Of these, only 1,5 million foreigners work in the country legally on the basis of a work permit. Leading among them are representatives of three countries - Uzbekistan, Ukraine and Tajikistan. According to the Federal Migration Service, about 17 million foreigners will come to Russia this year. Konstantin Romodanovsky reported that out of 10 million, the arrived 3,3 million people have already violated the period of their legal stay in Russia. Almost all of them settled in major cities of Russia. Most migrant offenders from three states: from Uzbekistan - 900 thousand people, from Ukraine - 500 thousand, and from Tajikistan - 400 thousand.

During a report at the FMS board in Moscow, Romodanovsky admitted his impotence against illegal migrants. He proposed the establishment of migratory public patrols in all Russian major cities. According to the head of the FMS, employees cannot constantly monitor all objects where illegal immigrants can live or work. It can be both private apartments and houses, and industrial facilities, and transportation hubs, and airports, and public places. Konstantin Romodanovsky reported that in the capital such “squads” have already recommended themselves well, while patrolling railway stations and markets. Therefore, this experience should be spread in all Russian cities.

The presence of migrants in Russia is justified by economic reasons. Allegedly, without them economic growth is impossible. In fact, pro-government experts and officials, except for the already ritual “argument” about labor shortages, cannot say anything. When trying to object, the proponents of mass migration begin to speak outright nonsense. For example, the chairman of the State Duma Committee on National Affairs from United Russia, Gadzhimet Safaraliev, said: “The ideas on reducing quotas and introducing a visa regime with the republics of Central Asia seem completely unacceptable to me. We cannot afford to destroy our good relations with the republics, with which we had only recently lived within the framework of a single union state. If we begin to reduce quotas, then sooner or later, a number of sectors of the economy, such as construction, housing and public utilities and others, will simply stop. I am sure that the Russian economy cannot do without attracting labor migrants from the former Soviet republics. If we give up their work today, then someday we will have to turn to representatives of African republics who have problems with the Russian language and adaptation to our cultural traditions will be more serious than those of current migrants. ” Thus, representatives of the neoliberal wing of the Russian authorities, publicly explain that if we don’t want to see the masses of Tajiks and Uzbeks in Russia, then they will deliver blacks.

Does it make economic sense to keep millions of migrant workers in Russia? The answer is understood on the basis that migrants do not invest money, but, on the contrary, take it out. They do not create advanced production and jobs in Russia, but rather inhibit the modernization of the Russian economy. For example, in the United States, 30% of high-tech companies are based on migrants and 100 jobs for foreign workers in science and technology create 262 jobs for US citizens. In addition, the US should learn in the sense that migrants cause less trouble to social and law enforcement services, less likely to go to prisons and mental health facilities than local residents. Control authorities can quickly deprive migrants of legal status, which disciplines them.

Social and cultural integration of migrants in Russia almost can not be. The report of experts from the government working group on migration in the framework of the Strategy-2020 reports that 92% of migrants spend their free time only in the circle of their fellow countrymen, which does not contribute to their adaptation to Russian realities.

According to the research of SUPPORT and “Business Russia”, the need for migrants for the Russian economy is determined by the figure of about 23% of their total number. It is this percentage that shows the answer to the question: “Can the jobs that foreign workers work for in your organization be occupied by foreign personnel?” “Under no circumstances will Russians go to such work as guest workers go to” - 18% in small and 29% in an average business (the average percentage is about 23%). Thus, out of approximately 10 guest workers in the Russian state, in fact, approximately 2 million are needed. The remaining 8 million can be safely sent back to their homeland. Having entered a quota for approximately 2 million of foreign workers, their presence in Russia must be entered into a normal, civilized course. They should work only legally, it is necessary that they receive normal wages, live in human conditions, pay income tax, etc. At the first violation, deprive them of the right to stay in Russia for 5-10 years so that they value their workplace and behave accordingly .

Everything else is a matter of personal pocket of Russian business and officials. Illegals are profitable for them to extract super profits. For ordinary people, millions of migrants are the loss of jobs, a drop in wages, the export of poverty, crime, the flow of drugs, the strengthening of the base of Islamic fundamentalism.

But the main problem is the continuation of the course of neoliberals on the erosion of the Russian majority in the Russian state. Certain circles do not like the fact that the Russians are still the "core" of Russia, and according to the latest census, they are 77%. Russian major cities are transformed into "Babylon". Of course, one can argue with this opinion, saying that the demographic potential of the republics of Central Asia is not enough for the assimilation of the Russians. However, there is evidence that supporters of mass migration to Russia will not stop at this. M.B. Denisenko and N.V. Mkrtchyan in his work “The Migration Potential of Central Asia” concluded that “Inevitably expanding the list of countries from which large flows of migrants to Russia are sent.” According to them, 2025-11 million foreigners must be brought to Russia before 16, in order to overcome negative demographic processes. Pakistan, Bangladesh, North Korea are among the countries that can become suppliers of “new Russians”.

Sources:
Before 2025, 11-16 of millions of migrants will come to Russia // http://ttolk.ru/?p=6940
If we give up migrants from the former Soviet republics, we will have to contact the representatives of Africa // http://regions.ru/news/2447743/
Konstantin Romodanovsky: In Russia, more 3 million illegal immigrants, without the help of society can not cope with them // http://regions.ru/news/2447695/
Migrants - the engine of the US economy. And the brake - for Russia // http://ttolk.ru/?p=16068
Russians and migrants told each other // http://2020strategy.ru/g7/news/32701255.html
http://dentv.ru/content/view/moskva-gostyam-ne-verit/
http://www.km.ru/
http://www.kroupnov.ru/
http://zavizu.org/

Comments

[Deniska999]

Certain circles don’t like that Russians are still the “core” of Russia

Russian can not live in Russia? This is our country.

[Download Do Re Mi]

But how long will it remain ours, if now every fifth chock in St. Petersburg, in Moscow the same situation and everywhere in Russia so! How long will we be the titular nation? There is only one way out, or the government begins to get rid of the Gaster, or bloody clashes begin with chocks!

[Phantom Revolution]

Firstly, who interferes with breeding? Putin again?

[djon3volta]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Firstly, who interferes with breeding? Putin again?

Yes, no one bothers, they don’t want to, they whine that there is no work (they themselves work), they whine that they have nowhere to live (they themselves live in apartments), they whine that they do not want to produce poverty, but they themselves buy iPhones, travel to other countries, take cars on credit (where is the money for the loan from?)., and Asians and ordinary Africans do not whine, produce poverty, multiply and occupy Europe. And they do it right, because they have values ​​different from Europeans. Why do Caucasians and Asians multiply and do not plump , yes, because they have different values, they did not exchange them for consumer ones, they consume and breed, and no one bothers them. But how can they bother to breed? I don’t understand how

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

And how many have you personally multiplied?

[Region65]

I personally multiplied for three, and I live far from Moscow and far from Rublevka))) people gave birth to children in the war, but here it’s just no longer people, but some kind of greenhouse plants.

[vyatom]

Quote: Region65

I personally multiplied for three, and I live far from Moscow and far from Rublevka))) people gave birth to children in the war, but here it’s just no longer people, but some kind of greenhouse plants.

If you take Moscow, how can same-sex couples reproduce?

[Region65]

well .. well, I somehow did not think :)))))

[PrikVO 84-86]

You interfere. Roll into your churkestan and multiply there like a cockroach. And we, on our land, will live according to our understanding.
First tidy up your country-countries. And then indicate how white people live.

... Moreover, this region has been greatly degraded culturally, socially and economically, and is in a state of increasing archaic features ...
Central Asia slides to the so-called. "Neo-feudalism", there is a gradual "Afghanization" of the region. Tajikistan survived several years of civil war, its economy has degraded to such an extent that remittances of Tajik migrants accounted for almost half of the country's GDP. Kyrgyzstan in recent years has experienced several revolutions and large-scale unrest, often very bloody. In Russia, the notion of “pokirgiz” even appeared, that is, to participate in the destruction of the infrastructure of one’s own country ...

And these migrants, with values, will turn our country into a dusty village. Where only to stay, what to heat with dung and spirits.

[Northerner]

To you +!

Quote: djon3volta

Yes, no one bothers, they don’t want to, they whine that there is no work (they themselves work), they whine that they have nowhere to live (they themselves live in apartments), they whine that they do not want to produce poverty, but they themselves buy iPhones, travel to other countries, take cars on credit (where is the money for the loan from?)., and Asians and ordinary Africans do not whine, produce poverty, multiply and occupy Europe. And they do it right, because they have values ​​different from Europeans. Why do Caucasians and Asians multiply and do not plump , yes, because they have different values, they did not exchange them for consumer ones, they consume and breed, and no one bothers them. But how can they bother to breed? I don’t understand how

Sadly, but! You are telling the truth! We buy apartments, cars on credit and pay all our salaries on them and live on a penny and, the same thing about small household appliances! And the Uzbeks, Tajiks, and Kirghiz live in dormitories, communal apartments, apartments, rooms on the first floors (concierges), in basements with whole herds and do not pay anything! They are provided with this housing by the city, the employer, etc. So it turns out that we live and work for loans and for rent, but they live on their own and it is not known who has the most money for food !!! Example: You, after a university, took a 1-room apartment on credit because it’s hard to live with your parents, and from the hostel you were flooded, and it turns out that it’s different! And they do not care where to live, when they give them a comfor free! They give birth to 5-6 children at our expense (I paid for the birth as much as they demanded of me, and at the same time my wife was in the ward with women who did not speak Russian at all, and this was in Moscow, and these women were 21 -25 and they are already 4-6 children come to give birth! Doctors complain that they can not refuse !!!), they do not pay taxes, they have occupied all the niches of labor, crowding out our pensioners and the poor without education! And we all endure and endure! They won’t ask us, but not even grandchildren, but they can easily ask our children to go to the forest! But the most offensive is that our government is soooooooo !!! Easily gives them a temporary residence permit, residence permit and even citizenship of the Russian Federation !!! And this despite the fact that under the hour the Russians themselves, because of the mistakes of officials, it is sometimes difficult to prove that they were born and lived all their lives in Russia !! And now the worst thing! These aforementioned new Russians are very actively climbing into the power structures!
P.S. (OFTOP) you can laugh at an advertisement of one famous fast food where many young people of Slavic appearance praise how they work great there! But in fact ?! THERE IS NOT ANY RUSSIAN !! Only Fatima, Ilkhaz, Gurima, Gulyama, etc.! I recently went into one such where it is fun and tasty! The queue stood at the checkout and when the turn came to me, a “chuchmek” got out from = behind me and yelled at this Elgyz and this (Cashier) silently, not paying attention to the fact that I was already paying and left the checkout open, took a rag and went to the hall to wipe the table, where the gurt of her countrymen was already standing! When I called the older one, the same Aigul came out and in broken Russian, without even apologizing for something inaudible about Kumeka and ran away !!!

[Region65]

Northerner,

Quote: Northerner

We buy apartments, cars on credit and pay all our lives

so what they fought for and ran into! cattle in the cattle yelled about bright capitalism and prayed to the West :) so now we live according to the Western model - all life on credit. We didn’t want to live our own life and go our own way - we live the life of the Pindorylites and go along their trodden path. at the same time already seeing in which anus this path led them but we still continue to stomp on it.

[sergo0000]

Quote: Region65

cattle in cattle

Precisely noticed!

[Region65]

yeah :) remember the nineties :)

[Monkey monkey]

____ In their country, of course, no one wants to become a "black man". But the same blacks in the USA, to abolish segregation, staged a global boycott of firms supporting segregation, and EVERYONE did not use their services. And business was forced to put pressure on the government to pass new laws. Do you understand the idea? Do not hire, use services, buy, etc. ... Or the consciousness of modern Russians is less than that of Negritos of the 50s ??? !!!

[Maks111]

Personally, I think this global government is stirring up water. For some reason, such a migration policy can be traced in many countries of Europe.

[Marek Rozny]

eeh, modern ... already cuts eyes from "chocks", "chuchmeks", "black-ass" and so on. Write in the rules that Russians on the site can offend non-Russians, and then there will be no questions. And then in the rules one thing, but in fact - another.

[Ruslan80]

Your Putin also interferes !!!! I will try to open your eyes: Apartments for many have already become an inadmissible luxury !!! There is no stability !!! Everywhere reduction !!! The problem with kindergartens, high tariffs and prices. What is your Putin doing for a favorable demographic policy? In addition, how does all evil come in ???

[Monkey monkey]

____ "How can you prevent it from multiplying? I don't understand how" - it's very simple: it has long been noticed that the availability of education and career for women pushes thoughts about family and children to the tenth plane; the less feminized the society, the higher the birth rate.

[Ruslan80]

It has also been noted that poor families give birth to many children! Animals and others! A normal person thinks about the future of his children, about how they will live! And this I consider important! And do not stupidly plan children and leave them to their own devices !!!!

[Maks111]

Yes, no one bothers, they don’t want to, they whine that there is no work (they themselves work), they whine that they have nowhere to live (they themselves live in apartments), they whine that they do not want to produce poverty, but they themselves buy iPhones, travel to other countries, take cars on credit (where is the money for the loan from?)., and Asians and ordinary Africans do not whine, produce poverty, multiply and occupy Europe. And they do it right, because they have values ​​different from Europeans. Why do Caucasians and Asians multiply and do not plump , yes, because they have different values, they did not exchange them for consumer ones, they consume and breed, and no one bothers them. But how can they bother to breed? I don’t understand how

I agree with the Chechens, Dagistanis and other peoples of the North. The Caucasus also live in this country, but this does not stop them from multiplying.

[makarich26]

Quote: Max111

I agree with the Chechens, Dagistanis and other peoples of the North. The Caucasus also live in this country, but this does not stop them from multiplying.

Modern Chechens, Daghestanis and other peoples of the North Caucasus are also not far from the Asians, if you are not in the know.

[NAPOLEON]

need to add to the women the rights were not given to keep them in the kitchen.

[sancho]

In their opinion, 2025-11 million foreigners should be brought into Russia before 16 in order to overcome negative demographic processes.

First they will build mosques. Then they will go to Russian schools in hedzhabs (fact). Then they will occupy senior positions in law enforcement agencies (fact). After they will become leaders of not only markets .... (quick fact)
And then WE comrades will work on their plantations ... (300 years).

What games will we play again? And how long?

[Northerner]

Quote: sancho

First they will build mosques. Then they will go to Russian schools in hedzhabs (fact). Then they will occupy senior positions in law enforcement agencies (fact). After they will become leaders of not only markets .... (quick fact)
And then WE comrades will work on their plantations ... (300 years).

They are already building mosques, already go in hijabs and are already imposing their culture! And already under this business, young scum interpret Islam as they are profitable! Remember the terrifying case when young Wahhabis in the Crimea stoned a Russian girl with stones just because she was smart, carded and did not wear a hijab! And there are many such cases, the press is just silent about them !!

[Maks111]

Wahhabis in Crimea

Damn when I lived in Crimea (about 4 years ago) there was no such garbage.

[Region65]

and then the president
(or rather, an emir or a caliph or a shah) of Russia will become some kind of Barack Hussein Obama) or Shamil Wil Dudaev.

[Normal]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Firstly, who interferes with breeding? Putin again?

How many kids do you have?. I have three. The eldest daughter went to kindergarten, even before Putin came to power. Grandmother sat with her second daughter. Kindergarten closed Putin's appointees and personal friends of the president. They needed land for their suburban estates. Now my youngest 2 of the year. A commercial kindergarten was opened in the village. The price is half my salary. So the wife will sit with the child at home until school.
Putin has been in power for 13 years and absolutely nothing to do with

PS
The village belongs to the Economic Administration of the Presidential Administration

[old rocket man]

Quote: Normal

the settlement belongs to the Economic Administration of the Presidential Administration

Keyword- "belongs"
And what side are you in this village?
The youngest granddaughter is 6 years old, goes to kindergarten, daughter is a nurse, son-in-law is a driver (for hire) of a truck, there is enough salary, they don’t take a loan, there are two cars in the family (Nissan and Logan), though one is on credit, a granddaughter is six years old with her mother I "rested" 3 times in Turkey and once in Egypt, I don't see any problems (maybe they don't want to worry? )

[Normal]

Quote: Old Rocketman

And what side are you in this village?

He worked, got married, got an apartment. And the problem is that; tea is not the Kremlin
The keyword is not "belongs", but the phrase "Economic Department of the Presidential Administration"
More than once I answered the defenders and fans of VVP that I have the right to criticize the current government, since I see its affairs in real life (literally from the window of the apartment) and feel its "care" on my own skin.
I do not want to complain, my life is my choice. But you missed the point of my post. I have THREE children, not one granddaughter. There was a kindergarten, but now it is practically gone. Feel the difference?

[zvereok]

Our gardens were closed and the premises were sold at a cheap price to relatives and friends of the MERA, the family house was closed after major repairs, and they promise to build a new one for eight or nine years. The authorities do a lot of disgusting things, and I just can not understand who is responsible for this?

[vyatom]

Well yes. All is correct. There are a lot of questions for Putin now. And he cried on the Red Square quite sincerely. And Peskov, says Putin is listening to criticism. It is only necessary to remind more often that he must defend the interests of the common people. Then the people will not rock the boat.

[It's me]

And in my city, on the contrary, they open kindergartens. They were closed in 90. And they are building new ones.
If you think Putin’s friends are closing, then what’s coming out of Putin’s enemies?
It just depends on the local authorities. Should Putin follow everything?

[Normal]

Quote: It's me

And in my city, on the contrary, they open kindergartens. They were closed in 90. And they are building new ones.

So I wrote that they first closed (state), and then opened but already commercial.

Quote: It's me

If you think Putin’s friends are closing, then what’s coming out of Putin’s enemies?

No, in my opinion it does not work. It was closed by appointees in order to give the land to the country estates of his friends. Friends of VVP have long been at such a level that they do not engage in kindergartens (even commercial ones), there is no "interest" Although it cannot be ruled out that the owners of this business have family or any other ties (albeit not close) with friends of VVP.

Quote: It's me

It just depends on the local authorities. Should Putin follow everything?

Once again, especially for you:

Quote: Normal

The village belongs to the Economic Administration of the Presidential Administration

[zvereok]

Today, this is the country of Abramovich and others like him.

[pinecone]

An anti-people office called the FMS puts Ukrainians on a par with hordes of aliens from the East. Extremely incorrect and just mean.

[optimist]

I agree: we need to unite with Ukrainians and Belarusians, and in reality, and not in words. And the southern "narrow-film" citizens are gently (or hard, depending on the situation) to wrap back into theirs uluses. In general, these strange relations between Russia and former neighbors remind me of the relationship between former spouses: the marriage has long fallen apart, but the spouse has the keys to someone else's apartment, comes when he wants and shits as he wants. But, I'm afraid, as long as the current socio-economic system exists, the greed of employers and officials will be higher than the logic and instinct of self-preservation.

[sribnuu]

The problem is that we do not want such a scenario in Ukraine. Nevertheless, in Kiev, what Odessa, etc. it is clear that Slavic origin and Moscow and tereyeshsya and ask a question. And who are they Russian?

[baltika-18]

Quote: pinecone

Anti-people office called FMS

I completely agree that it is anti-popular. The position of Romodanovsky is very interesting. At the expanded board of the FMS, he painted a very kind picture, announced a significant decrease in crime among migrants and that the sale of patents brought 6,5 billion rubles to the budget. I demanded from my colleagues very reserved attitude towards migrants.
The Ministry of Internal Affairs, on the contrary, announced an increase in crime among migrants: 25% more murders, serious bodily and deliberate bodily harm by 20%, related to drug trafficking by 15%.

[sribnuu]

All right! For Ukrainians it is necessary to introduce visas as our strategic goal is Eurointegration, in response, Ukraine will make visas for Russians. The consequences are simple and logical - there will be even fewer people from the territory of Kievan Rus (Why do you need ukry in Great Russia?)

[BruderV]

Quote: sribnuu

there will be even fewer people from the territory of Kievan Rus

Yes, if Russia, or even before the 19th century, the Circassians called the inhabitants there, during the horde they moved there, by the way the city of Cherkasy still remains. Sich Cossacks - it is also black hoods, roofing felts Sarmatians themselves do not know. Galician Rusyns are generally more like Moldavians or Romanians. Most of Ukraine is the former Crimean Khanate. So where are they now to look for the brothers of the Slavs? Maybe that's why the difference in mentality? I especially like the garn Ukrainian uchuchu Julia Timoshenko. Pope Armenian Grigyan, Russian mother Telegin, last name from her husband and here he is a model of the native Ukrainian.

[sribnuu]

The difference is not in mentality but in brain pumping, dear! To whom they download! Canada is a country of immigrants from around the world. The result is on the face!)

[BruderV]

Quote: sribnuu

The result is on the face!)

And on the face))) Japan, Korea, once Germany and most of the European countries - mono-ethnic states and the result is also evident

[Maks111]

An anti-people office called the FMS puts Ukrainians on a par with hordes of aliens from the East. Extremely incorrect and just mean.

And there are neither Ukrainians, nor Belarusians, nor Russians, WE ARE ONE PEOPLE !!!!

[fenix57]

"... Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Nationalities Affairs from United Russia" Gadzhimet Safaraliev said ... "- who said, Ivan Vasiliev, Peter Ivanov? NO!!! Gadzhimet Safaraliev. About HOW. Fuck ...

[Download Do Re Mi]

This is striking in its undisguised impudence! And yesterday in KVN, lumps mocked at the Russians, crap the hero of the Russian, and the whole audience neighing to tears, here you have tolerance and what the government does!

[Karlsonn]

Quote: fenix57

who said Ivan Vasiliev, Peter Ivanov? NOT!!! Gadzhimet Safaraliev.o HOW. Ohren .....

and we, as always, are not looking for easy ways!

[Normal]

Quote: Karlsonn

and we, as always, are not looking for easy ways!

The worst thing is that with this bl .. denouement they were so sophisticated that they did not make a right turn from the TTK to ul. 1905. Here is such a miracle of bungalows, but there is NO turning RIGHT !!!
The complete impression is the same in the leadership of the state.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Normal

and RIGHT RIGHT NOT !!!
The complete impression is the same in the leadership of the state.

Normal

I'm actually talking about the same, by the way the picture is called: "Turn left"

[Ghenxnumx]

Quote: fenix57

Gadzhimet Safaraliev, chairman of the State Duma Committee on Nationalities Affairs from United Russia, said ... "- who said, Ivan Vasiliev, Pyotr Ivanov? NO !!! Gadzhimet Safaraliev. About HOW. Ohrenet ..."

10 against the 1st, that at half of the apparatus in this committee the surname ends with * iev and * oy. And if suddenly his aspirations come true - then in a couple of years, and the whole committee.

[Strashila]

"Experts are also talking about the possibility of a conflict between the former republics of the USSR. So, in the forecast report of the National Intelligence Council published in Washington," ... in short, they are working hard on this.

[IRBIS]

There is no need to bring anyone to us to increase the rate of economic growth. We need to create conditions for our people. We had demographic "holes" before, but we managed on our own, without Asians and other "friends". A decent salary, affordable housing, the promotion of family values ​​and the support of large families are what you need. Force employers to provide jobs (with decent pay), first of all, for their own. Stop producing lawyers and managers. Understand and "wild" house prices. Stop finishing off education and medicine. And, of course, to finally adopt a clear and tough immigration law.

[Goodmen]

Unfortunately, the directions of the development of the state that you have covered, our ruling "elite" is on a roll, they are acting strictly according to "their own plan", just the same according to the "Stakhanovian" way, clearly understanding the consequences.
What can be done in such a situation, given the complete absence of any pro-Russian opposition force?

[valerei]

IRBIS, that's right! For the first part (and this topic has been discussed on the site more than once), I wrote a fairly large comment. In the second part, in fact, similar questions are "sucked round". Everyone knows everything. Many site visitors wrote a lot. Recently there was a message that Kyrgyzstan is going to join the customs union! If now Asians we have that cockroaches, then later! Our Russian employers do not want to pay Russians a decent salary and are recruiting Asians. If there are no Asians, they will pay. But now the Russian government has turned my state into a courtyard, combined with a public toilet. But what depends on us? Well, we talked on the internet and that's it! Nobody reads our comments, except ourselves. I read that the political movement "New Force" has collected in the internet on this issue more than 100 thousand. authorized signatures, which gives the right to consider our proposals in the Duma. However, we all know that money in the Duma will bury it all. And the Duma members do not care about Russia.

[valerei]

IRBIS, that's right! For the first part (and this topic has been discussed on the site more than once), I wrote a fairly large comment. In the second part, in fact, similar questions are "sucked round". Everyone knows everything. Many site visitors wrote a lot. Recently there was a message that Kyrgyzstan is going to join the customs union! If now Asians we have that cockroaches, then later! Our Russian employers do not want to pay Russians a decent salary and are recruiting Asians. If there are no Asians, they will pay. But now the Russian government has turned my state into a courtyard, combined with a public toilet. But what depends on us? Well, we talked on the internet and that's it! Nobody reads our comments, except ourselves. I read that the political movement "New Force" has collected in the internet on this issue more than 100 thousand. authorized signatures, which gives the right to consider our proposals in the Duma. However, we all know that money in the Duma will bury it all. And the Duma members do not care about Russia.

[deman73]

it's time to cover this shop with migrants

[Government]

That's right, there are already so many blacks walking, believe me, they feel themselves already at home, soon Lezginka and other "Glories" of the Churkestan peoples will be on the Russian land! .... sorry for Russia, it was not in vain that grandfathers and great-grandfathers shed blood for OUR FUTURE .... Listen before it's too late !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Download Do Re Mi]

It's simple, if we don’t start deporting all the Gaster now, then soon and pretty soon, we will find ourselves on reservations, as the Indians of America once turned out to be, and we don’t have to think that this will not happen, it’s already happening, you can’t say that God forbid not tolerant by patient, there are already areas in Russian cities where the Russians should not meddle, the police do not crawl there, states formed in the state! If during these six months of 2013 they do not begin to deport everyone, then Peter will turn into blackjack 1 and Moscow into Chernozhopinsk 2, and all other cities of Russia too!

[Government]

That's right, everyone needs to be deported !!!!!!!!! WHERE YOU WERE BORN THERE AND BENEFIT !!!! RUSSIAN STATISTICS ALREADY HAVE DIED OUT FOR 10 YEARS! ... THINK WHAT WILL BE IF YOU STAY ONE AS RUSSIAN AMONG CHOCK ????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????

[andrey903]

Tribal leaders from Asia are constantly putting forward new demands on Russia, regardless of supposedly good relations. Is a military base more expensive than the flow of heroin and migrant workers who create tension in the cities. Comparison with America is inappropriate, scientists and specialists go there, but don’t understand who and what

[Government]

It is necessary to cleanse the nation, WHAT "Normal" said that Russia is for everyone ???????? The Russians have their own state ??? Everyone has their own state, even the Kurds are fighting for territory, Russia is the other way around, and the authorities do not want to, they propagandize everything as an assortment, and many young people live as one day, do not think about the future of their state and their families, LET EVERYONE THINK HOW YOU WILL LOOK IN THE EYES OF YOUR CHILDREN ????? they will probably be directly disgusted to look at those who treat their family and state as a condom, for one time!

[domokl]

It’s a serious question and it’s impossible to talk about its solution without an economic component .... Lobbying a visa-free entry regime does business ... it is business that has a huge army of unemployed who can cut coupons without investing especially in production .. Why buy an excavator if it’s easier to hire a hundred Gaster and they dig a hole? Why pay Russian workers, pay taxes,
It is urgent to adopt the Laws on the responsibility of business for the use of foreign migrants ... It is cruel to crush any attempts of illegal use, to get all the business confiscated ...
Migrants are a very serious danger not only for the economy, but also for culture, morality, religion ... Quotas need to be introduced urgently ...

[Shooter308ful]

If the Government and the President of Russia do not introduce a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia, then this inaction of the ruling elite will lead to serious social tension in Russia and specifically among the Russians. It will be either an extra trump card in the hands of United Russia, or its next minus and negative from the electorate in the upcoming elections. Although with such "bookkeepers" from the CEC, one can not look at the aspirations of their voters.
With the brothers Slavs in the person of Ukrainians and Belarusians in general there should not be any visas and other barriers to the unification of fraternal peoples.

[fenix57]

FMS_ will become or has already become a ministry. I wonder what will change. In which side. I would like to work (FMS) for the good of Russia, and not for harm. From these "migrants" in the eyes dazzled. The photo seems to be from Fr. Russian during the construction of facilities for the 2012 summit. Oh, how many there were. Not a pen to describe ..

[Bismark]

I'm interested in what you accuse "FMS" of, they tear migrants in three skins there. Here we are talking about illegal migration, without permits and registrations. Another thing is that our valiant police knock money off them, regardless of whether there is a registration or not, when they see an Uzbek or a Tajik, they should be ransacked. (judging by my city). So think that it is easier for them to deport him or collect tribute from him every month, and there are a lot of such examples.

[Goodmen]

How can you throw mud at the "honest title of a" policeman "who has suffered through all the cleansing rites in the form of a reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs !!!
How much money was lost !!! How many honest employees were fired (really honest) !!! They reported to the President !!!! And here again the topic of corruption arose ...

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

Apparently you left no choice for our valiant cops, and they so wanted to be honest ......

[vyatom]

Quote: Bismark

Another thing is that our valiant police knock money off of them, whether there is a registration or not when they see an Uzbek or a Tajik licking to overwhelm. (I judge in my city).

I regularly observe this process in the metro.

[ultra]

Quote: fenix57

to work (FMS) for the benefit of Russia,

The FMS does not adopt laws, IMHO at the legislative level it is necessary to prohibit labor migration, (an exception for Ukrainians), and encourage Russians to return to Russia, according to conservative estimates, this is about 15 million. a return of even 10% removes most of the questions regarding the lack of the working population!

[Misantrop]

Quote: ultra

Stimulate Russians to return to Russia, according to conservative estimates, this is about 15 million. a return of even 10% removes most of the questions regarding the lack of the working population!

I was about to offer to return Berezovsky to Russia with the provision of a janitor's job, but at the last moment I remembered that he was, as it were, not quite Russian ... It’s not his fate that he seems to wave a broom ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Misantrop

It is not fate for him, apparently, to wave the broom.

In Israel, too, wipers are needed, for Berezovsky not everything is lost

[ultra]

Quote: Misantrop

to return Berezovsky to Russia with the provision of a janitor’s place,

For Berezovsky and some others, an exception can also be made, first to the colony, and then to the janitors! Although it is unlikely that the remaining life will be enough for him to serve the term that he deserves!

[BruderV]

Quote: ultra

Stimulate Russians to return to Russia, according to conservative estimates, this is about 15 million

And who are these 15 million? Those Natasha who live in the Middle East with the Ahmeds and raise the same children? Maybe not? Of the former Soviet republics, who needed to leave long ago, the rest have already ceased to be carriers of Russian culture.

[Max Russian]

You are wrong. Russians abroad (at least I will speak for myself and my social circle (family, friends) are very careful about our culture. Unfortunately, many simply do not have enough funds to return to their historical homeland. Bureaucratic obstacles both here and in the Russian Federation also affect But the most important thing is our grandfathers, grandmothers, parents can no longer pack up, give up everything and leave. Nevertheless, I have already convinced my own (even more life here convinces). Therefore, do not judge without knowing. And believe "Natasha" very rarely live with local "Ahmed", although not without it.

[BruderV]

Max Russian,
Yes, I didn’t write for everyone, it’s good since you write, I apologize if that. Only it seems to me that not only Russians from the CIS are included in the voiced 15 million, but also those who knowingly went abroad and are married to foreigners, and this is certainly defectors. Here about Syria there was information that there are from 5 to 100 thousand Russian citizens, nothing is so scattered. It is clear that they do not have Russian families and the religion is no longer Orthodox, I think there are enough of these. In Kazakhstan, how many Russians are 3-4 million? And the rest of the 15 million? For example, Russians in Ukraine (there are 8 million of them) I think they will not want to return, but if they want, why do not they return? Everyone already has life there. Nobody wants to go from Ukrainian cities to Russian villages as officials suggest, and housing in Russian cities is much more expensive than in Ukraine. That is, it turns out Russian from Ukraine, whose standard of living is quite comparable with the Russian in the regions, is offered to work together with guest workers in the most unattractive work. It is clear that no one will do it. So all this talk about compatriots seems to me a chatter to reassure the population. How much they say about this, but only from the most disadvantaged Kyrgyzstan, Tajikstan, Uzbekistan return from where they already drove the Russians and drove with a piss rag.

[Roman_23]

BruderVI also live from Kazakhstan for a year in Novosibirsk and I can say that not everyone who wanted to leave, but talk about compatriots MORE than real, a lot of friends left for this program.

[Marek Rozny]

Max, can you borrow money to leave? I don’t like living in Kazakhstan, I don’t like the "Akhmed" - get out of here, temporary worker. There are enough normal Russians in Kazakhstan who do not whine and know how to respect their culture and someone else's. Take care of your nerves, go hom.

ZY Not a single Russian immigrant from Kazakhstan has achieved anything worthwhile in Russia in 20 years. There is not a single such name in business, culture or politics. And how many thousand-million were there from the Kazakh "oppressors"? Name at least one Russian emigrant from Kazakhstan after 1991 who really achieved something and became famous. Even though the entire Internet, Google and wiki search - NO ONE more or less significant name! But these people are trying to say that they supposedly created the entire KZ by them)))) And for some reason in Russia they turned out to be a very gray mass. We don't even have to get upset) The more bawlers and whiners leave KZ, the better the situation inside the country. And the closer OUR Kazakh Russians become.
Bon voyage, poor fellow!

[plut-k]

about these types of "natasha" it is necessary once and for all to abolish dual citizenship

[Focuser]

Quote: BruderV

the rest have already ceased to be carriers of Russian culture

Come on?! Do not say nonsense ..

[BruderV]

Quote: Focker

Come on?! Do not say nonsense ..

Well, let’s say, there are diasporas that preserve their culture, and there are assimilants whose children don’t really speak Russian, I meant them.

[Focuser]

In the Americas, Europe, there are Russian children who do not understand Russian. Che there, here's an example .. I watched a TV program about Game and Novoselov (Nobel laureates in physics) on TV. Both live in the UK. So at Game, the children do not rummage in Russian! However, in the CIS countries, it’s honestly hard for me to imagine such a thing! Maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion 99% of Russians here understand Russian perfectly. Ordinary Russians, just the mentality has changed a little and that’s all .. You talked about the CIS.

[BruderV]

About the CIS, about the Caucasus. I don’t know how it is in Central Asia, but in the case of the Caucasus, Russian consciousness in mixed families is quickly lost, and the language with a characteristic accent is from experience.

[Marek Rozny]

Foker, people just like to scratch their tongues about the affairs of their neighbors, even without close knowledge of the situation. Half of Russia thinks that all Russians in KZ were already raped, killed and raped again

[Focuser]

I went on a business trip, Peter .. Well, one of the Petersburgers who worked with us there, asks me, "Well, what have you got there?" In such a voice still)) Well, it is clear that he expects that I will now tell some kind of passion-muzzles about how Russians live here)) And I say nothing, I say, everything is fine))
Many Russians until they go here everyone thinks that here PPC in general ..

[Marek Rozny]

In Moscow, they asked me more than once, well, how did they say they moved away from the war? I'm at a loss - from what war? Local: well, you had a civil war, we saw on TV, read in the newspapers ...

[Hunter thomson]

Palestinization of the country is inevitable. How inevitable is the Palestinization of Europe. Dangerous areas will appear first, then these thirteenth areas will turn into gangster nests like the Gaza Strip, then cultural life will be concentrated behind barbed wire under iron domes in settlements surrounded by concrete fences and machine-gun towers. Inside it will be cozy, clean and bright, and behind the gates there will be a real social hell and a permanent criminal war. Welcome to the era of cyberpunk. And it’s too late to drink Borzh if you don’t have an entrance ticket to a world where it’s clean and bright, it’s better to buy an AK-47 now, before prices have soared for this useful accessory in the near future.

[djon3volta]

Quote: Hunter Thomson

Palestinian country is inevitable

compared territories It’s good that I don’t live in Moscow, and there’s no desire to live there at all. All these Gaster mostly go to Moscow, if they like Muscovites, they put up with it, if they don’t like it, they’ll put together a 100-thousand rally, or weak? Of course weakly, even 5 thousand will not be collected voluntarily. Every man lives for himself, Muscovites do not care for Gaster, they only have money and tusyaks in clubs in their heads, that's all Moscow.

[BruderV]

Quote: djon3volta

he lives for himself, Muscovites don’t care about Gaster, they have only money and party people in clubs in their heads, that’s all Moscow.

+ from a Muscovite)) for the majority, it may not be absolute, it is, especially office plankton which has recently come from institutes, this is a way of thinking and living. But I must say the most zealous among these tusers - recently arrived from the regions who want to show their coolness, they think if they will be others they will be considered flawed and collective farmers.

[vyatom]

Quote: djon3volta

It’s good that I don’t live in Moscow, and there’s no desire to live there at all. All these Gaster mostly go to Moscow, if they like Muscovites, they put up with it, if they don’t like it, they’ll put together a 100-thousand rally, or weak?

Interestingly, did the GDP draw conclusions after the Swamp or is the crown still crushing the brain?

[Nomad]

From Samsonov, gloomy prophecies pour in from a cornucopia. It’s not scary to live yourself? About negative signals from Kazakhstan, I’ve gotten messy a hundred times here we have already chewed this topic, and anyway, let someone start again.

[Earthman]

Quote: Nomad

From Samsonov, gloomy prophecies pour in from a cornucopia. It’s not scary to live yourself? About negative signals from Kazakhstan, I’ve gotten messy a hundred times here we have already chewed this topic, and anyway, let someone start again.

Why, I am now afraid of A. Samsonov, as if he did not set fire to the next theme of the Third World War, but what is not Day, then "this was not, but this is"

[Roman_23]

Quote: Nomad

About negative signals from Kazakhstan

I can say the opposite, that's why I left your country there, I’m not the title one.

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: Roman_23

I can say the opposite, that's why I left your country there, I’m not the title one.

Well, and what is not the title one, were you seriously threatened or what? We have a multinational country and we all live in peace and friendship!

[Roman_23]

you can tell this to naive Russians who did not live there, as for serious threats, it all starts small in Chechnya, it started in the same way, of course it will not reach Chechnya, but the policy of "soft squeezing" is becoming more and more pronounced

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: Roman_23

"soft extrusion" is becoming more pronounced

If not a secret, then where does this happen?
There was a war in Chechnya; we have better order than in Russia. Normal economic, social and political environment conducive to a normal and peaceful life.

[Roman_23]

for the first time in my life, they pointed out my ethnicity when I was 5 years old my mother brought me to a school for gifted children there they said you are suitable for us but in the future we need national cadres, these words cut deep into my soul, it happened in Pavlodar, in East Kazakhstan region it manifests itself much more aggressively, but I generally am silent about the southerners (Taraz, Shymkent).

[Octavian avgust]

I myself studied at a special boarding school in Stepnogorsk and so there was NEVER! I have big doubts about the fact that you are saying who doesn’t care where anyone is studying, if you could still apply for the position of akim or another high position.
By the way, there is a scandal with the appointment of the son of Sergey Kulagin (senator, former Akim of Akmola and Kustanai) to a high position in Astana, although he is only 26 years old. You see, we do not distinguish between the people you are talking about!

[Marek Rozny]

I studied at the Physics and Physics Lyceum. There were 2 Kazakhs in the class, the rest were Russian. Go for a walk, Vasya.

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: Roman_23

I can say the opposite, that's why I left your country there, I’m not the title one.

Thank you very much for your departure. Kazakhstan does not need whiners and defeatists of all nationalities, including the titular ones.

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: Marek Rozny

Kazakhstan does not need whiners and defeatists of all nationalities

That's right!

[Focuser]

Octavian avgust, you do not be offended, but how much I meet your comments, you are like a forever forever))

[Octavian avgust]

I am not offended, you are wrong.

[Goodmen]

"... Certain circles do not like the fact that Russians are still the 'core' of Russia ..."

These "certain circles" will finish badly, oh, they will finish badly ...

[unclevad]

We can only talk about some commonality between Soviet citizens who graduated from high school before the mid-80s. General school curriculum, compulsory study of the Russian language, common grafted values. Perestroika and the division of the Union formed generations with a completely different mentality. I mean all the countries of the former USSR. In Central Asia, over the past 20 years, the Russian squeezed out stages have passed, then the understanding that without the Russians everything is bad, which greatly influenced the mentality. Today's generation of people who come to work in Russia are already completely different people with a worldview different from the Soviet one. And this should be taken into account by everyone, especially the FMS.

[Vinnipukh]

When Astana tries to evade integration within the framework of the Eurasian Union, the visa regime must be introduced with Kazakhstan.
Scared a hedgehog naked pop.y. Even without taking into account that the idea of ​​the Eurasian Union was first proposed precisely by the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan N.A. Nazarbayev, it must be borne in mind that all participants in integration processes (independent states with 20 years of experience) may have their own interests, which must be decided by mutual agreement. Or, according to individual analytics, can only Russia have interests, and all the rest should be adjusted?
The author, wandering in the highest heavenly realms, really thinks that the introduction of a visa regime with Kazakhstan is such a terrible bogey? And who will be worse from this - only the Kazakhs? What about ethnic Russian citizens of Kazakhstan? What about residents of the border regions of Russia who often travel to Kazakhstan on various issues? We have a lot of cars in Kostanay with Russian numbers. So: "She's, of course, hot, Don't argue with me in vain. Yes, you see, chopping from the shoulder Isn't that safe." (Alice in Wonderland)

[Ascetic]

Vinnipukh,

Kazakhstan has about the same problems with foreign migration as in Russia. As far as I know from 16 million. the population of the actual Kazakhs is not more than 10 million (if not correct). And it’s on such a large territory. The problem of immigration of citizens from Kazakhstan is also particularly acute.
Kazakhstan is one of the countries that receives the largest number of migrants in the world, but also supplies a large number of migrants abroad. This conclusion was made by American researchers from an organization called Pew. Hangover or not, but according to their calculations as of 2010, four million 150 thousand people left Kazakhstan, Of these, two million 130 thousand people (51 percent) are Muslims, 560 thousand (14 percent) are Christians, and less than one percent, or about 10 thousand, are Jews.
Details here

By 2015, Kazakhstan will need up to 1,8 million labor migrants, said the deputy of the Mazhilis, chairman of the social council at the parliamentary faction of the Nur Otan ATP Aitkul Samakova.
“Kazakhstan is ranked 9th in the world among countries hosting migrants. According to the forecast of the Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan on Statistics, the need for labor in Kazakhstan by 2015 will amount to 1,2 - 1,8 million people”, Said A. Samakova at the round table discussion“ Migration processes in Kazakhstan and the social integration of migrant workers, taking into account the gender component
Currently, according to the international labor organization, between 300 and 1 million illegal migrants work in Kazakhstan. More than 40% of them are women.
Details here
Kazakhstan also faces an acute problem of compatriots (orlomanovs)
as well as in front of Russia the problem of the divided Russian people., which is solved in our words and given to the bureaucracy. So in terms of migration processes, we have a lot in common.
We have the dominance of the Central Asians and the Caucasus in Kazakhstan - Turks and Chinese

. Foreign labor in the Republic of Kazakhstan by countries of origin in 2007,% according to Demoscope

[marshes]

11 February, 2013
Last year, 22 thousand foreigners came to work in Kazakhstan. This was announced today at a briefing in the Central Communications Service under the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan by Minister of Labor and Social Protection Serik Abdenov.
According to him, in the republic about 2 thousand enterprises use labor force, Kazinform reports.

“Last year we attracted 22 thousand foreign workers from more than 100 countries of the world,” the minister explained, adding that in 2007-2008 this figure was 60 thousand people.
This suggests that the number of foreign workers is decreasing, the more soon labor migrants will pay for a work permit.
"The migrant will make an advance payment on the individual labor tax in the amount of two calculated indicators, this amount for today is 3236 tenge. For each month for which the permit is issued. The estimated amount of budget revenues will be approximately 4 to 6 billion tenge", - Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of Kazakhstan Kairat Tynybekov, who introduced the draft law on labor migration, said.

Read more: http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/za-razreshenie-na-rabotu-v-kazahstane-trudo
vyie-migrantyi-budut-platit-nalog-223375 /
Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz

[Octavian avgust]

marshes,
Well, this is only official data! So they are ten times more!

[marshes]

Quote: Octavian avgust

Well, this is only official data! So they are ten times more!

I wanted to hire gastric people to unload two trucks with the forest, I did not find , I had to call our Seifulin and relatives.
A neighbor built a house three years ago, Uzbeks erected a roof for 10 tons of greenery, built annexes last year, then they built it, they didn’t find gastrobayters.
PS. The neighbor was waiting for a team to do the interior decoration of the house, he didn’t wait for the local hired again, it’s good that these people didn’t thump like those who built outbuildings. In Russia, they pay more now.

[Octavian avgust]

marshes,
I do not argue with you on the facts of personal experience. I just say that there are more gaster than official statistics.

[marshes]

Quote: Octavian avgust

I just say that there are more gaster than official statistics.

Maybe, but I really observe that there are fewer of them, now they are being replaced by local ones.
There were fields next to me, building is going at a frantic pace then five years ago people from Kyrgyzstan rented them, grew vegetables and sold along Kuldzhinka now they are gone, the fields are overgrown with weeds.
In Taraz I did not see any gastricians at all, the father-in-law and mother-in-law wanted to close the roof and hired locals. Many local people are unemployed, they don’t stand on ceremony with “strangers”.

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: marshes

I didn’t see gastric people in Taraz

Yes in the south like that. But in our Akmola region, although we have our own unemployed, there are Uzbeks who are paid less and work as atomic ants!

[marshes]

Quote: Octavian avgust

Yes in the south like that. But in our Akmola region, we even have our own unemployed, and there are Uzbeks who are paid less and work like atomic ants!

And what is the conclusion?

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: marshes

And what is the conclusion?

It’s cheaper and better for a business to hire disenfranchised casters than to pay their own! After all, we have representatives of non-national business!

[marshes]

Quote: Octavian avgust

It’s cheaper and better for a business to hire disenfranchised casters than to pay their own! After all, we have representatives of non-national business!

And why locals don’t complain to the akimat, because they have an employment program for the local population. After all, in our south, locals don’t go into your pocket for a word.
He gave an example of how the local tenants surrendered the Chinese land tenants.

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: marshes

And why locals do not complain to the akimat

Well, many will not go to complain: ignorance, inactivity, helplessness, and who will go to work for a penny from morning to evening to work physically!

Quote: marshes

After all, in our south, local people don’t go into their pocket for a word.

Well, what's the point? Many are still unemployed, they simply have nowhere to work there.

[marshes]

Quote: Octavian avgust

Well, what's the point? Many are still unemployed, they just have nowhere to work

And that they will not find work in Astana?
I myself went to Astana in 2004-2007 to install furniture, private owners ordered an apartment. I was surprised that no one organized production there. I went to Kyzyl Orda, Atyrau.
And if you live in a village, you can raise livestock. For some time you worked on it while there were still fields in the district. We did not receive a land share from the city because we did not work at the state farm, we had to pay for grazing and bought feed grain. We went to mountains to friends mowed hay.
Accidentally in the social network I found my colleague from Kokshetau, he earns not bad as a mechanic, they have their own grain farm. When he served me, he told me everything about his John Deere, I did not understand what it was a combine, every year a VAZ car in "oil" buys. Last year he had a Chevy-Niva, prior to this.

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: marshes

And that they will not find work in Astana?

Well, many already go to Almaty. There you understand the population is growing faster than the economy.

Quote: marshes

And if you live in a village, you can raise livestock.

Yes, but do you know how much feed costs now? Hay 20 thousand tenge, grain waste from 25 and more (depending on quality). Plus, the price of meat is constantly falling.

Quote: marshes

By chance, in a social network I found my colleague from Kokshetau, he doesn’t make bad money as a machine operator, they have their own grain farm.

We also get about half a lemon for cleaning or more. But this is seasonal work. And so, ordinary machine operators 60-70 thousand. And because of this, they stopped holding a subsidiary farm. This year they weren’t even paid vacation pay, since they collected a million tenge, the director said that they were getting so well and did not pay the vacation.

Quote: marshes

When he served with me, he talked about his John Deere, I didn’t understand what it turned out to be a combine

Yes, a cool car and expensive too. Last year we bought 2 CATerpilar from us for 250 thousand greens in oil from the USA.

[Roman_23]

Quote: VinniPukh

only Russia can have interests, and all the rest should be adjusted?

Kazakhstan is to blame for itself that it cannot properly defend its interests, and why did you get the idea that Russia should take into account the interests of Kazakhstan and other countries in its foreign policy, there are not only the interests of Russia, and is the question whether the interests of Russians are taken into account in Kazakhstan?

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: Roman_23

Poll Does Kazakhstan Consider Russian Interests Strongly?

Take into account and do everything for this.

[Roman_23]

Well, let's talk about paradise with beshparmakom .......... Statistics and personal experience suggest otherwise.

[Octavian avgust]

I don’t know where you lived, but my experience says that what you are talking about is not true! Have you lived in Kazakhstan?

[ia-ai00]

Where do you live, my friend? In the school curriculum, the volume of study of the Russian language and literature has been significantly reduced, the history of Kazakhstan has been distorted in textbooks, now Kazakhstan has been under the occupation of Russia for about 200 years ... Go to Government institutions, hospitals - all signs are only in Kazakh (at least in the South of Kazakhstan In all state enterprises, 99.9% of national cadres, apparently, that in the future only persons of indigenous nationality would receive state pension, etc., etc. And the fact that the authorities of Kazakhstan increase the% of residents of indigenous nationality in the country, inviting oralmans from all over the world, I consider a far-sighted policy.The State pays them allowances, provides them with housing, in contrast to the Russian authorities, who have only DECLARATIONS about the resettlement of compatriots.Russian by nationality who want to move to permanent residence, even without any lifting for housing for 10-15 years living on the territory of Russia can not get it.At the end of 2012, Mr. Putin again GROMKO said that those wishing to There is a time until 2015 to obtain Russian citizenship, but it seems that this time will pass again only in words! I know personally 2 families who applied for Citizenship in August 2012, one family is directly in Russia, the other is from Almaty, and both so far - NO ANSWER, NO "HELLO"! But your "gaster" get citizenship only in this way! That's it ...

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: ia-ai00

Where do you live, my friend?

Now in Almaty.

Quote: ia-ai00

The school curriculum significantly reduced the volume of studying the Russian language and literature,

In Russia, too, they have been united.

Quote: ia-ai00

at least in the south of Kazakhstan. In all state-owned enterprises, 99.9% of the national cadres, apparently, that in the future the state pension would be received only by indigenous people, etc. etc.

I do not think that they are so far-sighted, just corruption and communication.

Quote: ia-ai00

Calling oralmans from all over the world, I consider a far-sighted policy.

On hardly, there are oralmans from the post-Soviet space, yes, but there are from Mongolia and China who have no education and a different mentality!
And where do you live?

[ia-ai00]

I also live in Alma-Ata. And what Russia is doing with education makes me very sad. And of course, Kazakhs from Russia are unlikely to go to their historical homeland, in any case I do not know such people.

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: ia-ai00

And what Russia is doing with education makes me very sad.

Me too!

Quote: ia-ai00

And of course, Kazakhs from Russia are unlikely to go to their historical homeland, in any case I do not know such people.

I know the story of one such migrant and he regrets that he moved. And from the countries of Central Asia, China and Mongolia, where the standard of living is lower - they will definitely go.

[Vinnipukh]

In all state-owned enterprises, 99.9% of the national cadres, apparently, that in the future the state pension would be received only by indigenous people, etc. etc...
Can you give statistics on the staffing of state-owned enterprises? Or so blah blah blah? And if you do not understand the pension legislation of the Republic of Kazakhstan - do not write nonsense. What gospensiya for indigenous people in the future? In your opinion, those who work in non-governmental organizations will not receive a pension?
textbooks perverted the history of Kazakhstan, now it turns out Kazakhstan was in the occupation of Russia for about 200 years ...
Apparently the correct history of Kazakhstan is known only to you?

[ia-ai00]

Every day I go to the State institution, and I'm sorry, I do not see other people. After a few years, there will be no people working under the USSR. And there will be only a state pension, for former employees of state institutions and a funded one for the rest, at best - still a scanty social one, although I doubt it. And about the story .... yes, you are right ... terrible occupiers ... built houses, factories, factories, taught to write and count, treated (Kazakh employee says that before the revolution, 1-2-3 children survived in Kazakh families of 7-11 children by the example of their grandfathers and great-grandfathers), and Kazakhstani were sent to space, apparently, to reduce the number of indigenous people .... horror!
My husband was on a business trip to Senegal for 3 months. The French left from there, leaving behind the impoverished illiterate indigenous population, and in those enterprises that remained after the French, this indigenous one works only on errands, because the French did not intend to train them. And so what poverty and devastation is there, it’s scary to watch. So think, think ... and read more yourself!

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: ia-ai00

The school curriculum significantly reduced the volume of studying the Russian language and literature,

In accordance with the standard curriculum, the number of hours per week in Russian is 3 hours per week. In high school, two hours a week. In the Soviet school it was the same. Russian-language schools

According to the 2009 census, 84,8% of Kazakhs freely wrote and read Russian (Kazakh - 62%, English - 7,7%), 94,4% understood spoken Russian (Kazakh - 74%, English - 15,4%).

The Minister of Education and Science of Kazakhstan, Zh. Tuymebaev, in his interview on January 29, 2010, when asked about the translation of office work into the Kazakh language since 2010, replied that “All official documentation is conducted in the state Kazakh and international Russian languages. No crowding out is expected. This was recently announced by President Nursultan Nazarbayev. He also confirmed that Russian will retain all the functions of the language of interethnic communication. Therefore, I emphasize: rumors and assumptions about some kind of crowding out of the Russian language are incorrect. ” Answering other questions, he also said: “There are more people in Kazakhstan who are studying in Russian, than there are ethnically Russian people in Kazakhstan. Russian is our heritage, and our president has repeatedly talked about it, "" Russian schools, that is, those where all subjects are in Russian, in our republic about 30 percent. Agree, it’s not so small ”(note, Russian schools (usually urban) are usually several times larger in the number of students than Kazakh schools, which are most often scattered throughout the villages).

40% of Kazakh children study in Russian schools, and not in Kazakh ones, which are tritely lacking.

Maybe stop yelling about the oppression of the Russian language? Kazakh language needs help, not Russian.

Quote: ia-ai00

in the textbooks they perverted the history of Kazakhstan, now it turns out Kazakhstan was in the occupation of Russia for about 200 years ...

Apparently you have never opened a textbook on the history of Soviet Kazakhstan, or modern. Otherwise, they would have known that the textbooks are not talking about any occupation, but are talking about the colonial policy of tsarist Russia. The same was written in Soviet textbooks on the history of the Kazakh SSR.
About nationalities and state-owned enterprises - generally argued garbage. Apparently, you have not even seen a single state-owned enterprise. About pensions - generally complete nonsense.

[ia-ai00]

Which colony? Study history not from textbooks, but from historical documents in archives:

..... The Chinese exterminated all life in their path - they killed men, raped women, did not spare children, burned homes, slaughtered cattle ... Soon hunger reigned in the country, some began to die by starvation, while others died from smallpox. Dzungaria was literally littered with corpses, its waters reddened from spilled human blood, and the air was full of smoke from burning uluses, forests and herbs ...

The Oirat princes waged bloody internecine wars. This took advantage of the enemy neighbors. So, in the words of Academician V.V. Bartold, the last nomadic empire of Central Asia perished. Chinese historian Shang Yue wrote: “This victory was won by the most ruthless, almost universal extermination of the population of Dzungaria. During its heyday, more than 200 thousand families lived in Dzungaria, or more than six hundred thousand people, after the military defeat, thirty percent were exterminated by the Qing forces, forty died of smallpox, and the dzungars escaping from their clutches of death were forced to flee to the Kazakhs and to Russia ... So resorting to bloody terror, the Manchus seized the northern part of the Tien Shan. "

On May 2, 1756, Empress Elizaveta Petrovna signed a decree on admission to Russian citizenship of the Oirats and Altai people who fled under the protection of Russian fortresses. Many of them were resettled in the nomadic Volga Kalmyks. The fall of Dzungaria dramatically changed the political situation in Central Asia. A new page in the history of the peoples of this region has begun. And who knows, if the decision of the Khanate Council of the Kazakhs to join the Russian Empire had not been made, what fate the fate of the Kazakhs prepared for. Of course, that fateful decision came at a great price: the life of the Kazakh tribes, from ancient times leading a nomadic life, changed hitherto unconventional rules for state and political arrangement for Kazakhs, etc. And, perhaps, it was precisely the difficult choice of Abulkhair Khan and his supporters that made it possible to preserve the Kazakhs as a nation, as an ethnos with rich cultural and historical traditions ...

[Vinnipukh]

кIt’s to Kazakhstan’s own fault that it cannot properly defend its interests, and why did you get the idea that Russia should take into account the interests of Kazakhstan and other countries in its foreign policy, there aren’t only Russia's interests, and the question is whether Kazakhstan’s interests are taken into account strongly in Russia.
1. Who told you that Kazakhstan itself cannot defend its interests?
2. Any country takes into account first of all its interests, but if, in your opinion, Russia should not take into account the interests of Kazakhstan, why in this case Kazakhstan should take into account the interests of Russia? Kazakhstan is not obliged to adapt to Russia. For this, diplomacy is needed in order to solve various problematic issues between friendly states to mutual agreement.
3. Yes, Kazakhstan takes into account the interests of Russians, as well as representatives of other nationalities of our multinational state.

[Marek Rozny]

I also think - who will feel worse if they introduce a visa regime with Kazakhstan)))) Kazakhs do not go to Russia, only Russians go there. And as Russians from Siberia and the Far East with railway transit begin to soar when they try to enter the territory of the Urals - in general I am silent, while railway passes through the KZ territory., Now we will require visas from transit countries)))))) And the Russians to work in KZ comes more than Kazakhstan people to Russia. I do not recall that slowly Russian enterprises are starting to move to KZ because of more favorable legislation.

[ia-ai00]

Dreaming is not bad ....

[Marek Rozny]

and who is dreaming of such a scenario? obviously not Kazakhs. look who started this topic.

[MAG]

Not long ago, on TV, Mufti Peter was shown so he said, it’s not a person who should choose a country, but the country of the person she needs, and with us everything is the other way around! They need to be sifted to and to the border, and not then across the country to look for catch expelling corrupt corruption!

[Busido]

The migration business, in all its manifestations, is trillions of rubles in turnover. So the main question is pure business and nothing personal, and then what will happen is "later" ... The most interesting thing is that no one seems to understand that happens with such an attitude. That only over the past decade, the influence of the "new-old" ethnic criminal groups has increased TEN times. They have become very strong and insolent. This primarily concerns Azerbaijanis. There are no brains, there were no concepts and it was necessary. going on with the newest Asian bands? There is the same "sweat", the formation and gradual strengthening, the same assimilation. The same Tajiks intensively visit gyms, some come here not as "take it, bring it", but purposefully "prepare for pitching." The elders work, the younger ones exercise. This is just one example of a thousand factors of "later." The everyday factor is simple until I can not, coming here, for the most part, "new Asians" completely forget about Islam. The same alcohol, finally removes all the barriers of tact to the locals. So for another ten years and the catchphrase will be: "Why did you do this ? - Wha, the Shaitan has beguiled, yes !!! ". That's it, that's it.

[djon3volta]

collected more than 100 thousand signatures in support of the visa regime with the countries of Central Asia and the Caucasus.

now look, most of those who have collected over 100 thousand signatures for the visa regime, and there are many even among those who are for Putin, even I am against migrants. and now imagine how many people on the Internet usually vote, usually it is no more than 200 thousand, other Internet visitors (and there are tens of millions of them) are not interested in voting, they are busy with others. even if these 100-200 thousand vote in the internet against Putin, and millions vote in general, then how many opponents of Putin are in the internet? it can be seen on any site by comments, and on this site you can see them. so how many are there then? and there are only a couple of hundred thousand out of 107 million real voters.
I mean the fact that Putin’s opponents are only on the Internet, most of them, in reality, the REAL majority, not the VIRTUAL, always wins. 100 thousand is 0.01% of all residents. Usually the entire appearance of the march of millions on the Internet is 50-500 people millions, these 50 people always think that there are millions of us on the Internet who are against Putin, but in fact 100 thousand, 200 thousand maximum. I think they even know that they are one, but they do not stand still and continue to portray millions of dissatisfied.
in Georgia, and even more than a million people (and how many people in Georgia, a) collected signatures against Sakashvili, and in 143 million Russia they can’t even collect 500 thousand for the visa regime, collected more than 100 thousand is ridiculous .. collect 5 million, then immediately introduce visas for asia.

[optimist]

Dear, what has Putin personally to do with it? Neither you, nor I, nor the overwhelming majority of our country know him (and are unlikely to recognize him). And the fact that many people vote for him, there is their direct and dibious answer: "there is no one else for that!" There is not a single decent, intelligent and educated person in a 140 million country? I still belittle you ... Putin, this is nothing more than a publicized "talking head" in the media, which flies on airplanes, then dives with scuba dives, then teaches Siberian cranes to fly, then "threatens his accomplices with a finger". Show for downed suckers and fuckers! That's when the authorities will get hold of the market tax on real estate, - I will look at his fans. Remember the recent "surprises" with payments for housing and communal services. Learn history: for the time being, Russia is silent. So the priest-tsar Nikolashka was also glorified for the time being, and then they shot him like a dog with the whole family. So don't flatter yourself about% and other bullshit ...

[djon3volta]

so what about signatures? what then just collected 100 thousand then? why then it’s impossible to collect, what do you think?
and then they threw Nikolashka out of the wrong hands, and you probably know this, just like Putin tried to remove the same, with the wrong hands, that is, Russian people. and where the ears stick out, but all the same, the same ears stuck out and when Nikolashka was thrown off with Russian hands so you need to learn history, although you probably know this too but don’t say it.

[optimist]

I see, we are already on the "you"? It seems that they did not drink at brotherhood and did not even meet ... Signatures are one thing, and rioting citizens in the streets are quite another. History will judge us, especially since it is not long before the "moment of truth" is left. So be careful with the thesis that the chairman of a "gay club" is a normal guy. Listen to you, so the GDP is one in the entire Kremlin "white and fluffy", and all around are thieves and traitors. People also thought so about Nikolashka until they washed themselves in blood on the palace square. Unfortunately, the price of "insight" is too high. If they wanted to "above", they would have introduced visas with our former "cohabitants" from the south long ago. Yes, and the current roommates from the Caucasus have calmed down. And that is one "hero of Russia" in which some people do not like the soul and have long "copied" "innocent tricks" ...

[Heccrbq]

optimist, the latest news suggests that this talking head doesn’t turn to the people, of course, but it’s sideways, not like an ass, immediately casting aside thoughts of altruism and love for the fatherland of this very head, it immediately becomes clear that we are something she (the head) needed and this is annoying frankly!

[Hort]

As a result of such a "wonderful" migration policy, the authorities will receive interethnic civil slaughter, as a result of which they themselves will be lifted up. But as you can see, the first calls in the form of Kondopoga, Stavropol Territory, the murder of a child in Tatarstan and so on do not reach the officials ...

[Hemi cuda]

After yelling "to cut the Russians and any non-normative vocabulary" of the cleaning lady who came for a better life from Central Asia, and rather frequent communication with all sorts of labor migrants and similar contingents who, beside themselves, also carry drugs with bags, I want these crowds not to border at all crossed.

[consul]

there are two murders of girls in Tatarstan, the latter is searching for a criminal, presumably also from Central Asia. The first criminal was transferred to another place of detention because of fear that the people would take him away and lynch him.
By the way, the site is probably being monitored by "competent comrades", maybe you can send it to the Spassky district of Tatarstan in the village of Kim, 20 Uzbek families are going to resettle (presumably from Kazan), 8 people have already arrived to prepare the premises. Local women are crying in shock ( They are afraid of the children), the peasants have to arm themselves. The whole point is in the local "landowner" Shvetsov, who does not want to pay the local normal and timely wages. The "landowner" lives in Moscow, and when he was a minister of Tatarstan and bought up land where the village is located.

[Marek Rozny]

How to deal with foreign criminals in Kazakhstan. A loud murder happened in Astana a couple of years ago. A Chechen, a citizen of the Russian Federation (or a native of the Russian Federation, I don’t remember, and it’s not really important) killed the local family (including a child) for money, and immediately flew to the Caucasus. How did the Kazakhs react? Following him, a plane flew into Chechnya with a bunch of police officials and operas, including the Deputy Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Kadyrov personally met them and apologized for the relative. In the shortest possible time, the offender was detained by the Vainakhs themselves and transferred to the hands of the Kazakhs. Kadyrov met this scumbag and said that he disgraced the Chechens before the Kazakhs. At the same time, during the stay of the Kazakhs in Chechnya, the Vainakhs arrested more than two dozen criminals who had previously committed various crimes in Kazakhstan. The Kazakhs awarded the Chechens, and the Chechens fitted sabers and drafts to the Kazakhs.
Case is closed.

[Marek Rozny]

From the last:
In the Pavlodar region, a Russian was deported, who moved to KZ for permanent residence, but repeatedly appeared drunk on the street.
"Aktogay district court of Pavlodar region ruled against a Russian citizen to expel him from the Republic of Kazakhstan for systematic violations of order in public places, as well as drunkenness," the court's press service said. According to the court, the 42-year-old Russian arrived in Kazakhstan for permanent residence in November 2009, received a residence permit and was registered.
"During his stay in the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan, a foreigner was repeatedly brought to administrative responsibility in the form of fines for smoking drugs and drunkenness in public places. These systematic violations of the law were the basis for his expulsion."

These are the orders in the KZ. Therefore, Kazakhs usually do not complain about foreign criminals, as is the case in Russia.

[ed65b]

Both the Caucasus and Asia are thumping. it is also stuffed with heroin and is brought here to us both for themselves and for our drug addicts. They have forgotten how to speak Russian almost everywhere. In Asia, hungry and cold local "Elites" row themselves as ours never dreamed of, so the people are breaking into Russia. What is there to do? Put yourself in their place, too, I think we would go. You can understand people. But our power is not. The same Tajik when illegally works as a janitor with the complete connivance of the organization for which to work is to blame for this? He is being caught, it begins, the illegal is caught. And his mother is the boss of an employee who knew everything 100% and he FSUs was aloof at all. Where is the pancake 1.000.000 rubles fine to the boss?

[Goldmitro]

<<< Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Nationalities Affairs from United Russia Gadzhimet Safaraliev said the following: “The idea of ​​reducing quotas and introducing a visa regime with the Central Asian republics seems to me completely unacceptable. We cannot afford to ruin our good relations with the republics with which we have lived only recently within the framework of a single union state. >>>
More than weird! Indeed, the Chairman of the Russian State Duma Committee on Nationality Affairs on such an IMPORTANT issue should not focus on YOUR personal opinion (or the opinion of his fellow tribesmen - Dagestanis, who are only one of the national minorities in multinational Russia), but on the opinion of the MOST population of Russia, which, judging by the polls DIAMETRALLY OPPOSITION!
And then, in order not to destroy "our good relations with the republics," for a start, these GOOD RELATIONS SHOULD HAVE in reality, and not at the level of declarations and wishes. In practice, the growth of nationalism, oppression and displacement of the Russian-speaking population from public life, and the manifestation of anti-Russian sentiments are observed everywhere in the CIS republics. It seems that Mr. Safaraliev does not have any information at all either on Russia or on the CIS republics, and how can you then lead the committee?

[sribnuu]

Quote: sribnuu

Sich Cossacks - it is also black hoods, roofing felts Sarmatians themselves do not know.

Learn the history of the origin of the Zaporozhye Cossacks and do not write nonsense

[BruderV]

Quote: sribnuu

Learn the history of the origin of the Zaporozhye Cossacks and do not write nonsense

Studied already. Well, where are the roots of the Cossacks? In the names of some Turkisms, including the word Cossack itself. And the appearance, and the clothes, and the weapons? The origin from the nomads is obvious, if only because of contempt for agriculture, despite the further infusion of peasants from the north.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Drive migrants with pissed rags! The survival of the Russian state is at stake!

[Farvil]

The management system needs to be changed in the country, it is urgent that the bureaucratic apparatus is beneficial to work for the country and not for the pocket and personal responsibility for each official. This power will kick back to the last and will not leave good.

[tupolev-95]

Tired of talking about the same thing. Tired of these "former Soviet" republics. Visa regime, strict quotas, tough controls! Normal, mutually beneficial relations can and should be built with Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. Our leadership first left the Russians to fend for themselves in all the former Soviet republics, and now they are flooding the country with immigrants from these republics. And they are not our brothers at all! I serve in Armenia and every day I see what generations have grown up after the collapse of the Union. We have our idiots who grew up on MTV and other Western shit or on Sharia law, why the heck are strangers to us?

[Max Russian]

I agree with you. In the "union" republics a generation has grown up (although there are exceptions) that does not love everything Russian. It is felt everyday and almost everywhere.

[Gari]

And what generations grew after the collapse of the Union?
And what problems do you have in Armenia, local relations not to Russians, not fraternal ones? Do Russians have problems in Armenia

[tupolev-95]

I'm not so familiar with you that you poke me around. And about "brotherly" relations - no one shouts on the streets - "Russians get out", but there are "peculiarities" of the mentality that you begin to feel literally at the exit from the airport. On my first arrival, as it turned out later, the taxi cost me 5 times more than the real price and the taxi driver knew very well that I was a Russian serviceman and we were like allies and all that. And absolutely all of our servicemen have faced this and are constantly facing it. Would you like to discuss the attitude of Armenians towards Russian women? I don’t know why, but some comrades consider them easily accessible (although I didn’t see the Russians on Tsereteli Street, the people of Yerevan will understand what I mean). They are sent in Russian and sometimes beaten in the face, but they itch to everything. You will say - there are freaks everywhere, but when such a situation arises, a whole crowd comes running to protect their own. But now the movie "Garegin NZhDE" is being shown in cinemas and the square is named after him - a national hero, but what about his general position in the SS? You say - it is for the Armenians to decide who their heroes are and you will be right. Because generations have changed and there are fewer Soviet people and we live in different states and all have their own interests. This means there should be a visa regime and control over migration.

[tupolev-95]

I see a minus - I see no arguments - nothing to beat?

[sribnuu]

Quote: BruderV

Well, where are the roots of the Cossacks?

http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8

[BruderV]

Quote: sribnuu

http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8

Brought by the Turkic-Ugric peoples (Pechenigi), at once iz representatives of the Chorny Klobukiv tribes, they went to the Ukrainian ethnic group within an hour of Kyiv Rus

Kochivnitska - the Cossacks resembled one of a kind of decilkoh kocha peoples, but in the early hours they lingered on the territory of the Pivnichny Prychornomor. The ancestors of the Cossacks are called Scythians, Sarmatians, Hozars, Black Hoods, Polovtsians, Circassians (Adigivs), Tatars and Indians. Kochivnytsya's hypothesis of the Kozak's prowess was formulated in conjunction with the Polish historical school of the 16-17th century, and was linked from the theory of the Sarmatian nobility.

It? What did I write? Do you open your own links?

[Phoenix bird]

Quote: domokl

Urgently need to adopt the Laws on the responsibility of business for the use of foreign migrants ... It is cruel to crush any attempts of illegal use, to get the business completely confiscated ... Migrants are a very serious danger not only to the economy, but also to culture, morality, religion ... Quotas need to be entered urgently ...

It’s too late to swallow the tablets. The patient has an attack. Already necessary to operate.
No quotas. Only visas. Only those who can develop new technologies. Highly qualified engineers and high-level doctors will probably be needed. But to clean the sidewalks and in Russia there are enough people.

[Genoezec.]

I'm tired of all this, I propose to seriously toughen the punishment for illegal immigration, but not to introduce a visa regime

[BruderV]

Quote: Genoezec

I propose to seriously tighten the punishment for illegal immigration, but not to introduce a visa regime

And how then? Send to hard labor? To sell into slavery? Illegal ones are only those who are lazy to go buy fake registration for several hundred rubles. Well, tighten, they will buy linden for 500 rubles. So what?

[Phoenix bird]

The introduction of a visa regime with Tajikistan is a long overdue and overripe problem that, if the Kremlin group wanted it, would have already been resolved. It was really caused by the fact that not only legal and illegal migrants, but, and most importantly, drug traffickers, came to Russia from Tajikistan absolutely uncontrollably. Drug trafficking on the part of Tajikistan has never stopped, it is on an ever-increasing scale and, in fact, threatens the national security of the Russian Federation.

Persons who hindered the introduction of the visa regime, and before that contributed to its abolition, are traitors to Russia and I personally have absolutely no doubts about it. They are known - they are in the Kremlin and in the government, they are in key ministries that deal with migration issues, among other things.

[cumastra1]

And in my opinion, the problem of the dislike of the Slavs for their brother - the Slav. For some reason it so happened that we treat newcomers with concessions. And we do not give our descent. When do we help each other? never. They do not abandon each other. Even if you barely know each other. That's the problem. "Fear enemies - in the worst case, they will simply kill, fear the indifferent - they kill with their consent" - I do not remember whose words. But the truth. One cannot be indifferent to each other beyond the invisible line - our death.

[The gentleman]

More than two decades have passed since the collapse of the USSR, and many still have the illusion that our former compatriots, people close to us in culture and mentality, live in the republics of Central Asia.
it turns out that all countries of the former union are obliged to be closer to Russian interests? I'm not saying that we would be better off without the Russian Federation, but such statements are also not appropriate. yes, there were a lot and a lot is happening, but we are neighbors and I think that we should be friendly.

[Heccrbq]

You are no longer neighbors, you were hooked into the next room, i.e. tenants

[Boer]

Well, firstly, complete hunger awaits you without us, but as for friendship, if you came to a neighbor for help, behave appropriately and don’t forget that you are a guest, YES?

[Phoenix bird]

Quote: Gentleman

we are neighbors and I believe that we should be friends

But not to the same extent we are friends. There must be boundaries for such a friendship.

In Moscow, a native of Tajikistan was detained on suspicion of assaulting a woman. This was reported on March 4 on the website of the city GU Ministry of Internal Affairs.

The attack was carried out at approximately 16 pm on March 1. According to the 28-year-old woman, on Partizanskaya Street, a young man approached her and offered to meet. Having been refused, the young man shot a woman in the leg with an air gun.

The 23-year-old suspect was detained near the site of the attack, on Molodogvardeiskaya Street. His actions are qualified under Article 213 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (hooliganism).

[Monkey monkey]

____ "Illegals are profitable for them to extract super profits." - while this is the case, it is useless to chat ...

[BruderV]

Quote: Monkey God

as long as things are, chatting is useless

And it really is. An Armenian opened his own store in Moscow and what difference does it make to him who to take Tajiks or Russians. Today I went into the shops that stand across the street from each other. In one, all Russian girls of 20-25 years old are at the box office - this is Pyaterochka, in the neighboring store with the loud name "Narodny" there are only Guzeli and Kerimzade. After that, the bureaucrats still open their mouths that the Russians do not want to work in non-prestigious jobs? It is a blatant lie, just when everything is legal in the country and people do not work for a beggarly salary, corruption dies out, because people have prosperity and they begin to want law and stability. The goal of the corrupt government is to have more powerless poverty, which is afraid to open its mouth in order to collect more tribute from them. It is not profitable for bureaucrats to have a population with increased prosperity, obeying the laws, paying taxes, because then the feeders disappear.

[cumastra1]

True, true!

[Octavian avgust]

Quote: Monkey God

while this is the case, chatting is useless ..

Useful and eradicating it is even more useful!

[georg737577]

In the future (soon) the government (or ruler) of Russia will face a dilemma; Is Russia for Russians or holders of Russian citizenship? And to whom should one be saved? I think that official support for the idea of ​​racial and national serration in favor of the Slavic genotype is the only really possible way out. But there is no time for tolerance and other crap ....

[BruderV]

Quote: georg737577

In the future (soon) the government (or ruler) of Russia will face a dilemma; Russia - for Russians or Russian citizens

In my opinion, already in the 90s everything was decided in favor of dear Russians. Already Manezh and Kondopoga were, what else is needed for the insight of the authorities? The Russian people are patient, but in the end this patience tends to spill over into explosions from which little will seem to anyone. Do not support healthy nationalism, educate tolerasts instead of patriots - get militants in Russian cities, there are those who want to.

[Roman_23]

action gives rise to opposition. At the time of the union there was internationalism, it was opposed on the one hand to "bourgeois nationalism", understood as the denial of any national roots, but REALLY abandoned (voluntarily / compulsorily) their national roots ONLY Russians (not completely) means "this" must be hastily created, but how? either to plant "from above" or to wait until everything is formed naturally, this is a long time, therefore, migrants, etc. act as a catalyst, and I successfully observe the growth of natural healthy nationalism.

[Gari]

When was the Union then no one asked what nationality are you
There was the Great Patriotic War, too, my two grandfathers fought and one went to Berlin, the other barely pulled out, what the Armenians did at the front far from home, no one asked, my father, the architect-builder, built defense plants throughout the Union without thinking that he is somewhere a guest or guest worker.
Therefore, there was a country with which they were reckoned and feared.
Now divide and conquer, which they do to us.
I myself am for healthy nationalism, I am also the nationalist of my nation, but at the same time I respect all the nations that respect mine.

[Roman_23]

I agree with you.

[Nomad]

Quote: Roman_23

you can tell this to naive Russians who did not live there, as for serious threats, it all starts small in Chechnya, it started in the same way, of course it will not reach Chechnya, but the policy of "soft squeezing" is becoming more and more pronounced

Roman_23, I admit that 1-2 times you came across manifestations of domestic nationalism. Nearby, not very decent or simply ill-bred people, nationality is the last argument in any dispute, but you are wrong when talking about any system or trend. For example, several times I came across manifestations of Russian chauvinism, and this is in Kazakhstan in the post-Soviet era! But I’m not saying that the Russians oppress the Kazakhs. In general, from your post it is clear that you did not encounter any threats, but simply thought that they might appear in the future, and therefore left. But your feelings and forecasts and objective reality are two different things. Comparing Kazakhstan with Chechnya is the same as comparing Russia with China. And I can assume (I’m sorry, if I’m mistaken) that you have a hypertrophied imperial consciousness that simply could not make the transition from the status of an older brother to the status of an equal citizen, and that’s why you left. We also know such people.

[Roman_23]

1. I did not say that I faced any threats, I did not say that someone openly "oppresses" I said "soft squeezing"
2. As for "a few bad people", two people do not determine the internal policy of Kazakhstan, it is determined by the majority and a certain leader
3.Kazakhstan with Chechnya I did not compare re-read my comment again
4. You, of course, an expert know better than me why I left. but the answer is simpler. I don’t consider Kazakhstan my country, it is a stranger to me and I don’t see anything good for myself in an ethnocratic state. Recent words of Nazarbayev in Turkey confirm this.

[Marek Rozny]

I met with Russian chauvinism much more often than I saw from the Kazakhs some kind of hostility or arrogance towards other ethnic groups. Nor does it occur to me to accuse all Russians of nationalism. Simply, Roman, no offense, you turned out to be useless in KZ, and now in Russia you will be a ballast for the local society. True, now you will have not "Kazakh oppressors" to blame for your personal problems, but "women, Americans, oligarchs and migrant workers."
Once again, thank you for leaving and making Russian society in Kazakhstan cleaner and more decent. Much more than our Russians consider Kazakhstan their homeland (without altering how much this historical homeland) and honestly work for the benefit of their personality and society. I respect and am proud of our Russians, their contribution to the development of my country is undeniable and significant. And I am very glad that drones and whiners of all nationalities (including Kazakhs) were dumped from the KZ.

Quote: Nomad

you have a hypertrophied imperial consciousness that simply has not endured the transition from the position of an older brother to the status of an equal citizen, and that's why you left. We also know such people.

That's it.

[Marek Rozny]

Here on the video, Roman, I see among the Kazakhs, Greeks, Dungans and Caucasians real Russians who never give up and in Slavic stubbornly go forward. And what kind of Russian are you, even if you couldn’t do anything for yourself or for the country in Russified Kazakhstan?

[Focuser]

Perhaps the most famous Russian in Almaty. Biker Dmitry Petrukhin

[Marek Rozny]

Petrukhin is handsome! And already a living legend)))
And Shishigina, Smirnov, Ilyin, Vinokurov, Zhirov caused me tears of pride. And I’m not even ashamed of my tears. This is the pride of our people, this is our glory. These are Russian Kazakhstanis!

[Kazbek]

Enough to carry nonsense. In our village in the Kostanay region. the Kazakh school was closed and the Russian one was working. A social worker, a Kazakh woman, was washing Russian floors, washing water, etc. In any PSC, go all in Russian. Russian when they left they sold everything for a big loot and now they say they kicked out.

[ko88]

Thump and dope with less drugs! and give birth! then there will be no such articles! no one is to blame except ourselves!

[cumastra1]

And again they flocked to our sheep. Children are born not from handouts from the state, but from stability, well-being and a separate angle. Let me give you an example. At the dawn of his prof. activity happened to live in the village - a new building. Most of the village were people 25 -50 years old. Everyone got a fresh apartment. Almost everyone moved to the village from the city. And what happened? baby boom. Not only young people, but also women after 40 began to give birth. 3 children in the family - was the norm. It was in the early 90s. in the city there was a population decline, while in our country there was an increase in growth, as they say. Here is a field for activity - to give out apartments to young families, and not under predatory mortgages, but at the highest interest rates. It doesn’t work out in such a way as to provide housing (read the birth rate) and provide banks with profit. Only one thing . And what is more important should be decided by the state.

[Pere lachaise]

Visa regime! Definitely! (with)

[Murzyak]

In one of the programs devoted to this problem I heard the speech of the governor of the Tula (in my opinion) region. His words: "We checked several offices related to housing and communal services - the janitors are migrants, the salary is 60-80 thousand rubles!" Loot, and nothing.
We have our own wipers - local. Because you can't "earn" on them. While there are such earnings, the FMS will pay for migration, that is, for the loot.

[Nomad]

Quote: Kazbek

Enough to carry nonsense. In our village in the Kostanay region. the Kazakh school was closed and the Russian one was working. A social worker, a Kazakh woman, was washing Russian floors, washing water, etc. In any PSC, go all in Russian .Russian when they left they sold everything for a big loot and now they say they kicked me out

And we also have all the inscriptions in 2 languages. I think this is very significant. If there was a soft extrusion, the easiest way would be to start by abolishing the inscriptions in Russian with a hint, so to speak (there would also be savings on state funds). But "softly squeezed out" like Roman_23 do not want to notice such things point-blank.

[Marek Rozny]

we have for the Russian-speaking even money painted in a language that they understand. much more?

[Nomad]

Quote: Roman_23

I did not say that someone openly "oppresses" I said "soft squeezing"

Soft extrusion is everyone's favorite term for extrude. And what exactly is behind it? Practically nothing, except a bitter resentment for the collapsed empire (and who is to blame? Are the Kazakhs?) And the lost status of a white master (who sat firmly in the subconscious despite all the talk about equality and brotherhood), unwillingness to see the former republics independent of Moscow, hostility to "churk", which suddenly became so many around and who speak their gibberish, and not great and mighty, etc. In short, one continuous bruise of the imperial consciousness.

[Pere lachaise]

Stop. I did not live in Kazakhstan, but I will allow myself to get into your conversation.
To you, dear Kazakhs, no one expressed any grudges about the collapse of the Union. Formal and unofficial. White master status? You've probably re-read English novels. There is nothing to say about a chock, because a chock is an epithet for mentality, not a person. Do you know about the events with the participation of "lumps" in the late forties in Leninogorsk and Ust-Kamenogorsk, in your country? It's not about the language, okay?
And so, if it’s all the same about politics, then your president recently spoke about pan-Turkism. I think Astana will not be the main violin .. China looks at you very warmly. Ah, this is a multi-vector policy of Kazakhstan, sorry ..
Russia "prison of peoples"!

[Marek Rozny]

1) And what claims can be made regarding the collapse of the USSR against the Kazakhs ???
2) What kind of chocks are in Leninogorsk and Ust-Kaman?
3) Nazarbayev did not say a word about pan-Turkism. It was the Russian journalists who pulled out, as usual, a phrase from the context in order to scam people who love fried headlines.
4) China does not need to scare us. Scared already. My ancestors fought the whole history with them, so we don’t have to teach us geography and history.

[Pere lachaise]

1)

Quote: Nomad

And what exactly is behind it? Yes, almost nothing but a bitter resentment for the collapsed empire (and who is to blame? Are the Kazakhs really?)

You really didn’t understand what was happening, or the more questions, so what? No complaints, okstitsya. Ahh you are not Orthodox, yes yes ..

2) At the end of the 40s, large construction began in Ust-Kamenogorsk and Leninogorsk. They began to build a hydroelectric station on the Irtysh, Ulba uranium enrichment plant, polymetallic plants. Who should work if the war knocked out all the men. In Ukraine and in the Russian regions people were recruited - they traveled to East Kazakhstan in thousands. There were many front-line soldiers. The "recruited" really did not like the Vainakh terror. It smelled of thunder. In the summer of 1950, a group of thick-faced Chechens broke into the hut of the widow of the war veteran Parshukova, an employee of the lower warehouse of the Leninogorsk timber industry enterprise. Parshukova herself was at work, and her young daughter was at home. They found nothing good in the hut, but in the courtyard they took a cow and began to lead her away. Resisting, the girl grabbed a cow by the tail, so as not to give the raiders the nurse of the family. They could not unhook her for a long time, in the end they killed and threw Zhuravliha into the river. Someone from the neighbors saw this scene. Monstrous news rolled down Leninogorsk.

The detonator tripped. Several hundreds of “recruited” ones armed themselves with pitchforks, some with pieces of reinforcement, some with ammunition from the mine sections of drilling and blasting operations and went to smash the Chechen settlements. The pogrom lasted more than a day.

My older sister, eighteen-year-old Paradise, among other Komsomol activists, was sent to help the police to exhort the attackers. But where there! "Recruited" all burned and destroyed in their path. The young Komsomol members were very surprised by the behavior of many Vainakhs with daggers on their belts: they fled to the nearby Fishermen, leaving their families to their fate. 36 Chechens were killed and more than a hundred wounded. The ripened army unit helped to stop the pogrom.

And again the warmth of the Russian women showed up: they hid Chechen women with children in their cellars and hayloft, and some even in the cold womb of Russian ovens. Otherwise, there would be much more victims.

(Mikhail Poltoranin)

3) "We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people"
Shh .. Pan-Turkism? No, have not heard.

4) But China doesn’t scare you, what are you.) The time will come, prove, of course.

[Kazbek]

It is the Kazakhs who should be offended when they started to run away badly as links from the boat. Or only the Russians felt bad if there was no light and the Kazakhs also sat without light. They ran for a good life and now they are offended. And at the expense of the language, what do you want so that everything is in Russian, then when you have everything in Kazakh.

[Pere lachaise]

If there is no electricity, then everyone is sitting without it. You are not even Columbus. And with regards to "k-sy", there are quite a few Kazakhs living here, as I understand it, you are now renouncing them?

[Nomad]

Quote: Pere Lachaise

To you, dear Kazakhs, no one expressed any grudges about the collapse of the Union. Formal and unofficial. White master status? You've probably re-read English novels. There is nothing to say about the chock

And you, dear, read some comments, if only on this site, and you will understand what I'm talking about. I do not think that all Russian chauvinists (otherwise half of my friends would not be Russian), but there are many, alas.

[Pere lachaise]

Quote: Nomad

About the chock and say nothing

The fact that a quote from me breaks off with just these words is your personal position at the expense of Russian society. Inattentively.

[Pere lachaise]

"For 150 years, the Kazakhs could not deprive their national customs, traditions, language and religion. With the help of the Almighty, in 1991 we proclaimed our independence."

In our country, no people were deprived of the language and written language at all. But, for example, the Chukchi gathered by helicopter on pastures, so that they would go to school. But still, we are the most chauvinistically uncultured nation. Then, if so, everyone else generally n *****.

[Citizen]

I totally agree.

[Marek Rozny]

In Soviet times, in the capital of the Kazakh SSR - Alma-Ata, there was only ONE Kazakh school. Before the collapse of the USSR, another appeared. And this is one and a half million citizens. It was almost impossible to get an education (both secondary, higher) in the Kazakh language.
Kazakhs were forbidden to celebrate their national holidays (even non-religious).
About religion - and so it is clear.

[Pere lachaise]

Kazakh language has been the only state language of Kazakhstan for the thirteenth year. He received such status in accordance with the Law of the Kazakh SSR "On Languages" adopted in 1989 by the Supreme Council of the Republic, which entered into force on July 1, 1990. The subsequently adopted normative legal acts of the already independent Republic of Kazakhstan assumed only further strengthening of the position of Kazakh in the country as the state language. But in reality, his role in public life over the past years has not only not expanded, but only narrowed. And continues to narrow. Why? In short, the answer should be this: the Kazakh language was and remains an unclaimed ruling and propertied class. The late writer Marat Kabanbaev, who studied for a long time and socially the social reasons for the failure of obvious, it would seem, efforts to establish the state language in public life, finally came to his post as deputy editor-in-chief of the specialized linguistic newspaper Ana Tili (Mother Tongue) to the conclusion that the whole point is that "the Kazakh language is the language of the poor." Now this is no one in the midst of Kazakh social thought disputed classical definition.

It is clear why the state of the Kazakh language is worried by the common folk majority of its speakers or the grassroots masses of the Kazakh society. For these people, he is their native language, the main personification of their culture, the main means of self-expression. Another thing is the Kazakh top administrative and entrepreneurial elite. In the second and third generation (which make up the backbone of the current Kazakhstani establishment), it consists of 90-95 percent of people who grew up in Russian-speaking cities and who are used to looking at least down on the language and culture of the people from which they fell. Over the past 10-12 years, their not a verbal, but a real position in relation to the Kazakh language has determined its complete and unconditional failure as the state language. Now, the fact that the Kazakh elite practically does not need the Kazakh language just as a means of communication and information, as the most important component of the natural cultural environment necessary for every person, is already obvious. In this reality lies the main reason why, under socialism and the absence of concrete sovereignty in Kazakhstan, the Kazakh language was much more in demand in public and political life than now when it already has the status of the state language by all in the world of a recognized independent state.

(Azamat HUSAINOV, sociolinguist)

PS In the USSR, a graduate was obliged to work out “according to distribution” for three years. A TALENTED engineer (for example, an engineer) who received a higher education in Kazakh would be equally competitive throughout the state?

[Nomad]

Quote: Pere Lachaise

In our country, no people were deprived of the language and written language at all

A common situation in a conscientious time in Almaty in a public place: 2 Kazakhs speak Kazakh, Russian guys come up and publicly demand to speak "humanly, not Indian." My friend's mother was a teacher at school, spoke Kazakh with another Kazakh colleague in the presence of a Russian colleague, as a result, both were "pissed off" at the teachers' council for displaying Kazakh nationalism. So don't la-la. No claims against you personally, just a statement of the facts that took place.

[Pere lachaise]

Quote: Nomad

So do not la la

[elmi]

But in tsarist times, Russian families had 7-10 children! I wish we could do this now, of course, with a good standard of living