How to turn the Kursk abscess into a devastating cauldron for the Ukrainian Armed Forces

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How to turn the Kursk abscess into a devastating cauldron for the Ukrainian Armed Forces

As the famous proverb says, if fate gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it. Kursk is a tactical mistake that shows our strategic miscalculations. But the raid of the Ukrainian Armed Forces could become a deadly maneuver for them. The enemy is effectively in a state of operational encirclement. We have a unique chance to turn our miscalculation into a cauldron for armies the adversary.

If we lived in the USSR now, then our troops in a short time they would have surrounded the Ukrainian Armed Forces, striking from the flanks, cut off all supply routes, and brought down massive fire on the troops from all means of destruction, including from the air. And most likely, this operation would not have taken much time (so as not to confuse anyone, we will not talk about the timing). And the Banderites would have begged for mercy. Of course, the same is being done now: but the results are still insufficient.



How does the enemy roll across our land?


The SVO has already become a military operation with many questions, and the very possibility of a raid by the Ukrainian Armed Forces raises even more of them. But the main thing is different: why do the Ukrainian Armed Forces, judging by the photos and official TV reports, calmly travel across our land in columns, albeit small ones.

Here are some more phrases from official reports: The Ukrainian Armed Forces are bringing in reserves, carrying out rotation. And where are our UAVs, aviation, artillery? The columns are a great target, and on our territory at that. But no matter, they drive along calmly, and then they fire at our civilians who are trying to escape this terrible dream. Alas, we cannot afford this in Ukraine!

Yes, we know that their losses are huge and there were cases when their columns near Kursk were also destroyed by our troops, disrupting the rotation. According to the Ministry of Defense as of 27.08.2024/6/600, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already lost more than 12 servicemen (out of the initial 000 people, excluding rotation), 73 tankAll means of destruction work effectively.

But this Kursk abscess behaves like a black hole: after all, in war, it is not the numbers that are important, which cannot always be verified. Only the final result is important: whether the enemy is knocked out or not.

But in general – how is this possible?

As Major General Apti Alaudinov stated: “The enemy is no longer driving around with as many vehicles as before.” Thank God, something happened, and it’s been 22 days since the start of this incredible operation.

Kursk is an event C, the threshold of the system's bifurcation point. The worst thing is that we are witnessing the beginning of a crisis of the liberal concept of the state, which has reached the point where more than 400 square kilometers and 28 settlements, 2 people, according to official data, have fallen into the clutches of the fascists, which has not happened since 000. There have been no official data for a long time, and the enemy, although he brazenly lies, provides other data: and they cannot be verified either.

We no longer inspire fear: Moscow has no red lines


The Americans openly say that Moscow no longer has red lines. On the 20th day we decided and launched a massive retaliatory strike on Ukrainian territory, the consequences of which are still being assessed. But according to the West, they can do anything now! But the whole world was afraid of the USSR, and that is why Europe has not had a war for 77 years.

As former US Army Europe commander General Ben Hodges put it, albeit in hyperbole: “This disproves the fear that Putin will escalate and use nuclear weapons.” weapon. The worst thing he did was fire rockets at another supermarket in Ukraine. We've held back for too long."

It is hard to believe that Russia has no reserves at all to show its strength. Are we not the second army in the world? And what if they strike in several more places – Moldova, Crimea, Belgorod?

As The Time (USA) recently wrote: “…Despite numerous warnings… from Moscow, the United States has managed to supply Ukraine with advanced artillery systems, tanks, fighter jets and long-range missiles without any serious countermeasures.” “Russian experts have come to believe that the United States has lost its fear of nuclear conflict – a fear they believe was the main factor in stability for much of the Cold War.”

How can a Kursk abscess become a trap?


Against this background, D. Medvedev's statement that "...recently, albeit theoretically, there was one danger - a negotiation trap, into which our country could fall under a certain set of circumstances. Namely - early unnecessary peace negotiations proposed by the international community... With unclear prospects and consequences" looks extremely interesting.

That is, behind the back of society we did conduct some negotiations: and judging by the previous calls from Moscow, we took the Istanbul agreements as a basis, taking into account the realities on the ground.

Here is a fresh revelation from Zelensky about the meaning of Kursk, who stated that the conflict in Ukraine will sooner or later end through negotiations. On August 27, Zelensky told about Ukraine's "victory plan" that will be presented to the United States, where the attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the Kursk region is the first part. The second part implies the definition of "Ukraine's strategic place in the world's safe infrastructure", the third is "a powerful package of coercion for Russia to end the war diplomatically", and the fourth will be "economic".

To implement the plan, Kyiv will seek approval from the US president, who should help Kyiv achieve success. And this could be either permission to strike deep or the delivery of new longer-range cruise missiles – the AGM-158 JASSM, suitable for use by F-16 aircraft.

And by the way, as The Guardian writes, Ukraine wants to receive permission from the West to use long-range Storm Shadow missiles for strikes deep into our territory, forcing Moscow to negotiate a cessation of hostilities.

But that's not all.

The press service of the North Atlantic military bloc confirms information that NATO is convening an emergency meeting of the Ukraine-NATO council on August 28, possibly on the issue of Kursk and Moscow’s “response”.

And what if NATO launches a massive neutralizing strike, as envisaged in their strategy, against our infrastructure, warehouses, airfields and elements of the nuclear triad, especially since they have been “targeting” all these elements this year? And not from the territory of the EU, but from the territory of Ukraine and Moldova? That is what they are counting on, that the lack of coordination and the stress factor will put us in a dead end.

Positional impasse as the line of the peace party


Since 2014, society has been de facto latently instilled with the idea that a forceful solution to the Ukrainian issue is impossible: i.e., a bad peace is better than war. The situation in the Belgorod and Kursk regions demonstrates a de facto stalemate.

And the worst thing that can happen is the implementation of the Kursk trap in Zelensky's "victory plan". The Kursk abscess can be used by the fifth column to prepare society for new Minsk agreements and to play along with the enemy, where these facts will be a trading card not in our favor. And any negotiations are concessions to Ukraine plus legal risks of the illegitimacy of the Ukrainian side. We will sign the agreement - and then we will be deceived. What is happening forms in society the idea of ​​the weakness of the state and the army, and this is more terrible than all the losses of Kursk.

This situation carries the possibility of the most serious socio-political crisis in the last 40 years, in which the fifth column of the West will be at the forefront of tales and rumors of "betrayal". And here it is important to remember the similar history at the end of the First World War, which became one of the main reasons for the collapse of the monarchy.

How to turn the Kursk abscess into a shameful cauldron of the Ukrainian Armed Forces?


According to estimates by The New York Times, the Russian Armed Forces will need at least 50 troops to liberate the border area of ​​Kursk Oblast. But even this figure cannot be the price of the matter.

Let the US not let us destroy bridges across the Dnieper and many other things. But on our own land we can do everything!

In addition to reserves, we have security forces and the Russian National Guard, why not use them in a difficult moment? The authorities are saving them for the revolution, but what could the Kursk abscess lead to? The prolongation of the counter-terrorist operation or its ineffectiveness is like death: all this is the path to a deep social crisis.

If the military made a mistake, although there may be another opinion, let them correct it. Stalin would have sent the guilty to penal battalions, but we don't have them.

Let our leadership show what an angry Russian Army is capable of – destroy the Kursk abscess not in 2-3 months, as the biggest optimists say, but at least in a time frame that will not allow us to lose face. We remember very well how in 2014 a completely unprofessional and poorly armed army of Donbass volunteers overturned the professional army of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from one cauldron to another.

And if things go wrong, then we need to urgently call Generals Popov and Surovikin out of oblivion: they will definitely be able to solve this problem.

What is happening now, like Istanbul, Kherson and so on, is a sign of "victory" for the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the dumb Ukrainian citizen. We must not let them seize the initiative. If we drive out the enemy, the Ukrainian Armed Forces front will crumble throughout Ukraine. The main thing is to show our strength and will in victory, speed, pressure and toughness - and the enemy will fall to his knees. For, as Alexander Suvorov said: "An uncut forest grows again."

Kursk is a moment of truth for our state, a turning point in the SVO. And we need to bend it in our favor, throwing all the forces, capabilities and reserves of our great Motherland into solving this problem. Or are we no longer the second army in the world?

Just as it was in 1942 near Moscow, now – in whose direction the military fortune will swing, depends not only the outcome of the entire campaign, but also, perhaps, the fate of the state. But "General Frost" is not of help to us now.

There is a solution, and it is in restoring the tough active distance strategy of the first part of the SVO, when we wanted to win. The trap must be turned into a cauldron, like in 2014, during the "Russian Spring".

Links:
Alaudinov announced that the Ukrainian Armed Forces had been seriously damaged in the Kursk region – RBC (rbc.ru).
Playing with red lines is a threat to our security (topwar.ru).
The Coming Russian Escalation With the West
Medvedev spoke about the “negotiation trap” that Russia could fall into – Radio Sputnik, 21.08.2024/XNUMX/XNUMX (radiosputnik.ru).
Zelensky again spoke about the need for negotiations
Media: Kyiv wants to persuade Moscow to negotiate by striking at the center of Russia – 25.08.2024/1/XNUMX, Prime (XNUMXprime.ru).
Kyiv requested an emergency meeting of the Ukraine-NATO Council: about the probable reasons (topwar.ru).
The New York Times: The Russian Armed Forces will need at least 50 thousand troops to liberate the border area of ​​the Kursk region (topwar.ru).
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  1. +40
    31 August 2024 04: 25
    I have the distinct impression that all of our military failures smoothly flow into the incapacity of Kremlin politicians who are trying to sit on two chairs.
    At this rate, we will have to fight for many more years.
    The enemy was convinced that our army is weak, that our society is not ready for war... so the enemy is becoming brazen and using all acceptable and unacceptable means of warfare to fight our country. request
    Our soldiers and officers at the front, with their exploits, smooth over the mistakes of the Kremlin leaders...this was the case in the past and is also happening now...nothing has changed.
    1. +65
      31 August 2024 05: 07
      Miscalculations? Looking at the cowardly policy of the Kremlin, the film "Sleepers" looks a little different. After all, not a single celestial in response to criticism objected that his family and children were in Russia. They are silent like Charlie Chaplin. And from this comes the conclusion. Anywhere. But not in Russia. And now they sit on the splits. And sit in one place and eat the fish. And not go to The Hague and not lose the chalet in Italy. Further only epithets….
      1. -44
        31 August 2024 07: 30
        Well, the authorities have the ability to figure out our armchair strategists. Well, and immediately shave them and put them on the personal battlefield. And let them show their tactics, strategy on the battlefield
        1. +29
          31 August 2024 07: 40
          ...Well, and immediately shave them and put them on the forehead...


          Respected.
          Answer the question: Should the children of "fat cats" and high-ranking officials be on the LBS?
          1. -32
            31 August 2024 14: 43
            and how do the children of fat cats affect your determination to personally participate? and the presence of these fat cats somehow justifies your rioting from the couch, and when you are pointed out to do so, you start looking for excuses for yourself???
            1. +14
              31 August 2024 17: 20
              Oddly enough, but the children of fat cats influence, albeit indirectly, the desire to go to the SVO. And they are not the only ones. Many acquaintances simply do not see the point in this war, and some utter the words denazification and demilitarization after a liter of vodka. For most, the words Nazism and fascism are synonyms, and Banderovites have been dubbed all residents of Ukraine. It must be said honestly and frankly, the SVO is not particularly popular in society. There are plenty of healthy men, they are volunteers, many are really useful, the rest will register, but will not go to the front. As one of them said - I have children!
              1. -12
                31 August 2024 17: 22
                it is clear that they influence... it is just that the one who speaks loudly should, as it were, correspond, and even better, set an example by personal example, so to speak...
                And by the way...I have never seen a war where people would go with joy
                1. +8
                  31 August 2024 17: 26
                  He who preaches to the hungry must be hungry himself, here I agree with you about personal example. War is not a holiday, what joy is there?
                  1. -16
                    31 August 2024 17: 28
                    Well, take some complicated news and open the comments.....how many talents are wasted here, they can easily replace the president and ministers here...they easily draw maps for the seizure of world domination.....a treasure trove of geniuses.....it's surprising that all of them are not even deputy directors of some small store
              2. +3
                1 September 2024 16: 26
                There is an opinion that our oligarchs could well rehabilitate themselves before the people. Imagine if Abramovich transported wounded soldiers on his business jet, Potanin built military hospitals at his own expense, Deripaska and Mordashov took patronage over some brigades, and Gazprom and Rosneft organized their own private military companies that would take cities. I think then there would be an order of magnitude more people willing to fight
                1. +2
                  1 September 2024 17: 53
                  There is such an opinion, but the oligarchs have their own opinion on this matter, and it is the exact opposite. There is no reason why Deripaska would take patronage over the brigades. He does not need to be elected anywhere, does not need a rating and other tinsel. He has everything and certainly does not need an extra headache, as well as the rest of the above. And it seems that the number of those willing to fight is not increasing, otherwise why would there be an advertisement on TV about a one-time payment of 800 thousand upon signing a contract?
                  1. +5
                    1 September 2024 18: 19
                    Theoretically, there is such a reason, since without the country all these oligarchs will quickly lose their money and assets. Similarly, bringing the country to a revolutionary situation will deprive them of a lot. But this will not happen tomorrow and probably not even in a year, and from the point of view of immediate benefit, yes - it is not profitable. Life is generally arranged in such a way that immediate benefit leads to much greater losses tomorrow. If you do not plant potatoes, then there will be more of them on the table in June, but next spring there will be no potatoes at all. But when did those who got into power ever plan anything for more than a year? They do not know how to adapt to the future, and even more so they do not know how to change this future. For this, there are the Americans and the British with their century-long plans, and they just want everyone to leave them alone and let them drink to their heart's content on yachts
                    1. +3
                      1 September 2024 18: 21
                      I agree one hundred percent with what you wrote, and I think many will agree with this.
            2. +14
              31 August 2024 17: 28
              "!And how do the children of fat cats influence your determination to participate personally?" --of course they do. When you start receiving your own children in black bags for your actions, you will immediately start thinking with your head, and not with other parts of your body.
              1. -24
                31 August 2024 17: 30
                so maybe you shouldn't lie and go personally so that children don't come in bags??? not yell from the davan, but personally???? but the children of fat cats are bothering you)))) yeahhhhh
                1. +24
                  31 August 2024 17: 53
                  Here are the parents accepting the "heavy" laughing decisions, let them start with their children. Otherwise, they've got it all set up - we'll send your children there, and ours will sit at home. It doesn't work that way - you make decisions, answer with your own, not with someone else's.
                  1. -9
                    1 September 2024 03: 15
                    You know... There will always be those who make decisions for others. They may not have children at all. But those who will make decisions will be in the back and never on the LB. It has always been like this, it is like this and it will be like this. I am not saying that those who make decisions should be in this whole thing to the hilt..... BUT this does not change the fact that everyone is responsible for themselves first and foremost. Those who look for solutions find them, those who look for an excuse not to do something find an excuse.
                2. +11
                  31 August 2024 20: 02
                  so maybe you shouldn't lie and go personally so that children don't come in bags??? not yell from the davan, but personally???? but the children of fat cats are bothering you)))) yeahhhhh


                  Are you already writing straight from the trenches?
                  1. -13
                    1 September 2024 03: 16
                    No, not from the trenches. And that is precisely why I do not evaluate, do not advise, do not comment and do not tell how to fight, how to manage an army, how to manage a country. Precisely for the reason that there is no demand from me and in these matters I have no competence to advise anything. But I am very interested in those who consider themselves entitled... It is interesting, after all.
                    1. +3
                      1 September 2024 06: 08
                      And that is precisely why I do not evaluate, do not advise, do not comment and do not tell ...


                      Lack of feedback is the cause of the crisis in management.
                      Distorted feedback is a factor that influences decision making.
                      1. -12
                        1 September 2024 06: 19
                        Feedback with whom? With the armchair strategists on VO? I can just imagine how Joseph Vissarionovich went to the people to find out their thoughts on how to govern the country... Or Peter 1... Alexander 3... Yes, many others.
                      2. +8
                        1 September 2024 16: 15
                        Joseph's sons spent the entire war partying, right?
                        When an insolent veteran shouted from the ranks: "Where were you, lord, when we were dying under Russian fire?" Cardigan replied: "I was leading you."
                      3. -4
                        1 September 2024 18: 19
                        no... Joseph Vissarionovich's sons fought..... Peter the Great had a traitor son, Catherine II was a pure German..... neither Peter nor Catherine were prevented from defending the interests of the state..... But that's not the point..... Joseph Vissarionovich decided issues of governing the country and armies with generals and officials... not with the people..... and the "people" who allowed certain words to be spoken out loud about the state of affairs at the front (a much more serious state, a state on the brink of disaster) and spreading these words outside would have at least explained their actions to people with stern faces..... they explained very well about panic and disinformation
            3. +6
              1 September 2024 00: 51
              ...you start looking for excuses for yourself???..


              I'm not young. I'm 65. I have a bunch of chronic illnesses. I'm afraid of letting down people who will rely on me.
              If I were younger, I might have gone to LBS.
              But if I came alive with lbs, I would ask you for everything.
              1. -10
                1 September 2024 03: 21
                For certain reasons I also do not participate personally, therefore I do not consider myself in the right to somehow evaluate those who participate..... Regardless of the ranks and titles of those participating. But I will note, purely subjectively, age is not the factor that allows the viewer to evaluate the participants. Purely what I apply to myself
          2. +4
            31 August 2024 14: 56
            But the whole world was afraid of the USSR, which is why Europe had no war for 77 years.

            The USSR was feared based on the results of the Great Patriotic War. The new state of Russia has yet to win its war. But this war has not yet begun. The Ukrainian campaign is the threshold of that war. The people must be ready for this, but most of all, the elite must be ready, and to begin with, it must not be vassal and anti-people. We do not need Western-style capitalism, we need a mix of the market, entrepreneurship and socialist solutions... but does the elite think about it?
          3. -7
            31 August 2024 23: 16
            Firstly, what does this have to do with it and secondly, is it necessary?
        2. -6
          31 August 2024 08: 24
          First you learn to write, and not to write. When the time comes we will get up from the couch.
          1. +28
            31 August 2024 10: 16
            Many here on this notorious couch have only settled down, some due to age, some due to combat injuries, so you need to be more careful about the "couch potatoes" on this site. And in general, it's time for many to learn how to communicate with people and be more socialized in society, even with the enemy you need to behave with dignity and professionalism.
            1. +8
              31 August 2024 10: 19
              This is not for turbo patriots.
              1. -1
                1 September 2024 08: 58
                @dimon642: "This is not for turbo-patriots."

                I'm curious - do you ever go to the Ukronazi websites and take potshots at "Ukrainian turbopatriots" there also? Or, for example, go to Azerbaijani websites and attack Azerbaijan "turbopatriots"; go to Turkish websites and attack Turkish "turbopatriots"; go to Jewish websites and attack Zionist "turbopatriots"; go to Balt or Polish websites and attack their Russia-hating "turbopatriots"; go to Western websites and attack pro-NATO imperialistic "turbopatriots", etc., etc., etc. - catch my drift? Or do you think that only Russian "turbopatriots" are uniquely evil and the source of all the problems in the world?

                Can you explain, please, "Aslan"? (Or maybe we should call you "propaganda donkey" instead, eh?)
            2. -1
              1 September 2024 08: 43
              @seacap: "...even with the enemy you need to behave with dignity and professionally."

              You do not need to "be with dignity and professionally" with the enemy; there are few chivalrous wars and very few enemies that actually DESERVE chivalrous behavior (and Russia's current enemies definitely do NOT fall into that category!). What you need to do with the enemy is KILL and DEFEAT him with extreme prejudice.

              This stupid obsession with unilateral "niceness" and "humanism" and "proper moral behavior" even in the middle of existential war against vile, ruthless and brutal enemies; this moral preening and chest-beating - is the main reason why Russia's enemies neither fear nor respect Russia anymore, and the whole world, friend, foe and neutral alike, has come to view Russians as dunces unable to win anything.
      2. +14
        31 August 2024 09: 02
        I'll add that everything is clear with the Bridges across the Dnieper. The US simply doesn't allow us to destroy them. But is that the only thing that doesn't allow us to? When the decision was made about the SVO on air, some members of the Security Council thought that they needed to call Biden. The report on Kursk was answered with "they know better at the top". The retaliatory strike was carried out for 20 days. Why is the reaction to everything so slow? Are we still calling someone there?
        1. +20
          31 August 2024 09: 56
          But shouldn't the colonial administration call the owner?
        2. -12
          31 August 2024 10: 24
          Quote: Alexander Odintsov
          The United States simply does not allow us to destroy them.

          Can you confirm this with evidence? Or is it just another load of blah-blah, like "the USSR would have...."?
          1. 0
            2 September 2024 21: 36
            As for the bridges - and the SVO in general, it is clear where the ears are growing from. This version was most transparently outlined in the publication of "Military Affairs" by the departed former adviser to the president Andrei Illarionov* (*included in Russia in the list of individuals performing the function of a foreign agent/foreign agent): "Simply some part of the agreements concluded in the fall of 2021 during Burns's (CIA director) visits to Moscow and the subsequent telephone conversations between Biden and Putin, ceased to be implemented. Which part? The one related to the crossing of the Ukrainian-Russian border." Probably there was something about bridges there too. Quite logical. For us, the SVO is a dark forest. Do you seriously think that we are being given 100% truth here. And you compare the coverage of the situation given by, for example, Podolyaka and our media. On this issue, we actually have a vacuum.
            1. 0
              3 September 2024 06: 39
              Quote: Alexander Odintsov
              There was probably something about bridges there too. Quite logical. For us, the SVO is a dark forest.

              I think that in your first comment you should have said "most likely" or "probably". But you used a direct statement - "the US does not allow us to destroy them". And this is not a fact at all... And yes, I completely agree with you that in many areas we are given information in a very truncated form. But during the active phase of the war, how could it be otherwise? The enemy combs through all open information. They have long since stated that most of it is taken from open sources. However, this does not mean that what is not given should be compensated with lies. Well, unless this is a planned leak of disinformation in favor of ours.
        3. man
          +6
          31 August 2024 11: 43
          Quote: Alexander Odintsov
          I'll add that everything is clear with the Bridges across the Dnieper. The US simply doesn't allow us to destroy them. But is that the only thing that doesn't allow us to? When the decision was made about the SVO on air, some members of the Security Council thought that they needed to call Biden. The report on Kursk was answered with "they know better at the top". The retaliatory strike was carried out for 20 days. Why is the reaction to everything so slow? Are we still calling someone there?

          Of course, we call. But they don't pick up the phone...
          1. -6
            31 August 2024 20: 17
            Well, this gem doesn't fit anywhere: "The US simply doesn't allow us to destroy bridges"How come they don't give it? Where did you get that idea? Why disguise our simple weakness like that? Well, we can't destroy the bridges, we don't have the means. There aren't enough Kalibrs, their accuracy is insufficient, the power of the warhead is also small. For example, only one Kalibr out of several launched hit the bridge in Zatoka. And that one only bent the railroad tracks on the bridge. As a result, the Ukrainians restored everything in 24 hours.
            1. man
              -1
              31 August 2024 20: 23
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Well, this gem doesn't fit anywhere: "The US simply doesn't allow us to destroy bridges"How come they don't give it? Where did you get that idea? Why disguise our simple weakness like that? Well, we can't destroy the bridges, we don't have the means. There aren't enough Kalibrs, their accuracy is insufficient, the power of the warhead is also small. For example, only one Kalibr out of several launched hit the bridge in Zatoka. And that one only bent the railroad tracks on the bridge. As a result, the Ukrainians restored everything in 24 hours.

              This is not for me, I am not the author of this comment, I just responded to this link smile
              The author is above.
            2. +5
              31 August 2024 22: 25
              Enough already with this example with the bridge in Zatoka.
              The idiots launched only Kalibr missiles over that bridge, without trying any other missiles. Then they shamefully abandoned the bridge without destroying it. Rhetorical question: What would have happened to them under Stalin?
              The sycophantic patriots now use this Zatoka as their main justification - we allegedly have nothing to destroy the bridges with! In the third year of the war. The Americans in 1999 in TWO MONTHS 7 out of 11
              Serbian bridges were destroyed across the Danube, and some of them stubbornly bombed 12 times. The Ukies, shooting at the Antonov bridge with HIMARS (warhead of only 90 kg), managed to make holes in it and make it unusable (although the bridge did not collapse). That's what persistence does. And giant Russia has nothing to destroy bridges with?
              Nonsense. Here is an example of "Iskander" (480 kg warhead) the first time The Antonovsky Bridge (coastal span) was brought down to destroy 20-30 Ukrainians hiding under it: https://topwar.ru/220557-rezultat-udara-otrk-iskander-po-antonovskomu-mostu-pod-kotorym-prjatalis-boeviki-vsu-popal-na-video.html
              There is a video and photos.

              Here's what the Russian Armed Forces can use to destroy bridges:
              1. ship-based cruise missiles (some even from the Sea of ​​Azov reach the bridges of Zaporozhye).
              2. Conventional gliding bombs used by tactical aviation (from the Energodar area they reach the bridges of Zaporozhye EVEN WITHOUT CROSSING THE FRONT - there are about 45 km).
              3. Operational ballistic missiles of the Iskander type. (example: Antonovsky Bridge was hit and half of the span collapsed on the first attempt).
              4. Long-range cruise missiles from the sea (all sorts of "Caliber" and "Onyx").
              5. Long-range cruise missiles from strategic carriers. The Kh-101 was recently upgraded - the fuel tanks were reduced, a second warhead was added, and the total warhead reached 800 kg.
              6. Conventional tactical air-to-ground missiles from tactical aircraft.
              7. Conventional tactical missiles and gliding bombs and just air bombs from large drones...
          2. +1
            2 September 2024 21: 35
            They might take it, but not right away.
            1. man
              0
              3 September 2024 08: 17
              Quote: Alexander Odintsov
              They might take it, but not right away.

              and rarely
        4. -20
          31 August 2024 14: 46
          strange person)))) everything is clear to you...you know everything))))) it's surprising that you are not the president))))) and based on the above you are asking something)))) but it seems like everything is clear and understandable to you and you know everything and can do everything)))))) what talents are wasted))))))
        5. +1
          31 August 2024 15: 37
          Quote: Alexander Odintsov
          With the bridges across the Dnieper everything is clear. The US simply does not allow us to destroy them

          Where are the "firewood"?
        6. +2
          31 August 2024 19: 29
          Actually, one can argue with you hi
          War is a thing that eats up resources in incredible quantities! Whoever throws more, faster, and most importantly WISELY resources on the scales, will win!
          Each side has its own plan for victory, with the corresponding calculation of forces and resources, yes, there should be reserves for an emergency, but even in a difficult situation, decisions must be made not based on emotions, but with cold calculation and use resources for countermeasures, weighing all the pros and cons! This takes time (as an example, there is an opinion that we were given back 115 conscripts in exchange for all sorts of rabble from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but on the condition that we will not bomb Ukraine on their independence day!)
          1. 0
            2 September 2024 21: 33
            What is the dispute about? I agree with you about the resources. And regarding the bridges - and the SVO in general, it is clear where the ears are growing from. This version was most transparently outlined in the publication of "Military Affairs" by the departed former adviser to the president Andrei Illarionov* (*included in Russia in the list of individuals performing the function of a foreign agent/foreign agent): "Simply some part of the agreements concluded in the fall of 2021 during Burns's (CIA director) visits to Moscow and the subsequent telephone conversations between Biden and Putin, ceased to be implemented. Which part? The one related to the crossing of the Ukrainian-Russian border." Probably there was something about bridges there too. Quite logical. For us, the SVO is a dark forest. Do you seriously believe that we are being given 100% truth here. And you compare the coverage of the situation given by, for example, Podolyaka and our media. On this issue, we actually have a vacuum.
        7. -2
          2 September 2024 08: 55
          You are a military specialist, what to destroy bridges with? You need at least 1,5 tons of explosives, 480-500 kg missiles, the price of each is 0,5 million, and the quantity??? So it is better not to be stupid.
          1. 0
            2 September 2024 21: 26
            Despite the complexity of destroying bridges, Russia has everything it needs, such as Kalibr and Iskander missiles. However, the most effective method seems to be the destruction of bridges with precision-guided bombs (KAB). Russian engineers managed to create a UMPK for the FAB-1500 bomb. This one and a half ton bomb is currently the most powerful in the arsenal of the operational-tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces. And it is an excellent tool for working on such fortified objects as bridges. As Izvestia po info reported in September 2023, the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed three bridges used by the enemy to transfer reserves. One bridge across the Oskol River in the center of Kupyansk. Another one in the Nevsky area of ​​​​the LPR, one in the Makeyevka area. What does the cost have to do with it? Calculate the damage from supplies. The end justifies the means. In war - doubly so.
        8. +1
          3 September 2024 11: 09
          Why?, why because we can’t.
      3. +5
        31 August 2024 21: 25
        What is pop, is the parish
    2. +21
      31 August 2024 05: 14
      The trap must be turned into a cauldron, as in 2014, during the “Russian Spring”.
      Something like this is not visible even in the long term....
      1. +46
        31 August 2024 05: 52
        And how can it be seen? In Kursk region, civilians are dying, houses are collapsing, and the Guarantor is going to the North Caucasus to survey the microdistrict named after him... Thinking people are generally in shock from this... This is a trap not for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, not for the Kremlin ailments, but for us - Russian people. Cowardly politicians in Moscow have driven the country to the brink of destruction. What 50 thousand fighters can we talk about? If an army of lions, led by cowardly sheep, is a priori doomed to defeat
        1. +14
          31 August 2024 08: 28
          He went there to seek support. Little can happen in the country. But he forgot how during Prigozhin's march, only after lunch did words of support come. The Chechens all traveled a long time to Rostov. Shoigu was also there not long ago.
          1. +19
            31 August 2024 08: 32
            The head of state went to seek support from those to whom he actually pays tribute? So who is our head of state? The Murzas of the North Caucasus?
          2. +32
            31 August 2024 09: 38
            At first, the supreme non-commander went to Baku to drink tea with Aliyev, and this during a massive invasion of enemy troops with NATO equipment. He is either inadequate or has a stubborn desire to avoid problems in the hope that they will resolve themselves. It is scary to think what would have happened to the country if such a figure had led the USSR during WWII...
            1. +19
              31 August 2024 10: 25
              Quote: Alex aircraft
              It's scary to think what would have happened to the country if such a figure had led the USSR during WWII.

              We wouldn't have a country.
              1. +19
                31 August 2024 12: 50
                We wouldn't have a country.

                A society of consumers, chatterboxes and egoists, where most people couldn't care less who sits at the top and where they're leading the country. Is the Internet still on? Is your favorite online game working? Is the idiot box with TV series on? Are there beach bags and vodka in the stores? Is there freedom of speech? So everything is great, you can continue working for someone else, listen to sweet speeches on TV, immerse yourself in fictional virtual worlds where you are the very best super elf, Japanese shinobi, soldier of fortune or a cool tanker who kills enemies in droves and upgrades a combat vehicle, drinks vodka and moonshine, wastes your life in clubs, shoots up and sniffs. Isn't that happiness? The most real. Almost paradise. Miserable, of course, but there is no other, and many do not need it. After all, dreams of space, universal equality and social justice were exchanged for colorful candy wrappers, and most importantly, the idea worth fighting for was lost.
                They have built us a society that is far from the best. I would even say disgusting. Our girls dream of becoming "kept women", and boys think that it would be a blessing to get a job as a manager in a large company, which is essentially the same thing. The measure of success has become not what a person has done, but how much he has earned. Why drag people to happiness against their will? Everyone has a personal stall and a trough of food, and the luckiest ones have a stall covered in gold and a bunch of prize heifers. In this situation, there will be brothels for teenagers, and orphanages where there is no normal food, and nursing homes that are burned down along with their inhabitants just to save money. In addition, this is a dead-end path of development. Another ten, maximum twenty years will pass, and we will simply be erased, as if nothing had happened. And those who erase us will not spare our old people, our children and women. They'll just come and take everything they need, and dump the rest in a pile and set it on fire. In our place, perhaps a new generation will rise up. Those who are ready to fight and die for so-called ideals, and not for money. Or perhaps not.
                Take his hammer away from him, he forges not happiness, but some kind of crap.
                1. +5
                  31 August 2024 17: 26
                  The measure of success became not what a person did, but how much he earned.


                  On the contrary!
                  Let me correct you: "The measure of success has become not what a person earned, but how much he made. (In the sense of "made" money)
        2. -23
          31 August 2024 10: 27
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          In Kursk region, peaceful people are dying, houses are collapsing, and the Guarantor is going to the North Caucasus to survey the microdistrict named after him... Thinking people are generally shocked by this...

          Thinking about what? How to see the Guarantor with a machine gun in his hands near Kursk and Kherson at the same time? laughing
          1. +29
            31 August 2024 11: 45
            Well, President Allende died with a machine gun in his hand... He had a conscience... But this one doesn't have even the slightest conscience...
            1. -26
              31 August 2024 13: 55
              Quote from: dmi.pris1
              Well, President Allende died with a machine gun in his hand... He had a conscience... But this one doesn't have even the slightest conscience...

              Did he steal your wife or poison your dog?
              1. +24
                31 August 2024 13: 59
                No, just "a little bit". He is persistently leading the country to destruction.
                1. -21
                  31 August 2024 14: 01
                  Quote from: dmi.pris1
                  No, just "a little bit". He is persistently leading the country to destruction.

                  Katz offers to surrender? laughing
                2. -21
                  31 August 2024 14: 43
                  Quote from: dmi.pris1
                  Persistently leads the country to destruction

                  In your opinion, what exactly does Garant do that makes you rate it this way?
                  1. +15
                    31 August 2024 20: 40
                    what exactly does the Garant do
                    That's right, he does nothing at all. He started this mess and pretended that he had nothing to do with it. He does God knows what, but not the work, he is a leader, he should inspire people, ensure the efficiency of all government bodies, direct and organize military production, seek out and promote new, thinking professionals. Where is all this?
                  2. +3
                    1 September 2024 09: 47
                    And under whom is part of Russia occupied, for this article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation from 6 to 10 years. Belgorod and the region have been shelled for a year, more than 100 thousand have become refugees out of joy. He has nothing to do with it.
          2. +7
            31 August 2024 12: 32
            Thinking about what? How to see the Guarantor with a machine gun in his hands near Kursk and Kherson at the same time?

            There is no difference between the president and the carpenter Vasya, the only one who can carve a vitally important part. They are equally valuable.
            1. -27
              31 August 2024 13: 57
              Quote: kreck
              There is no difference between the president and the carpenter Vasya, the only one who can carve a vitally important part. They are equally valuable.

              There is no difference between you and Vasya, but 80% of the country's people support the President, well, except for you and those who ride their bikes to Kazakhstan...
              1. +6
                31 August 2024 23: 03
                More details about the 80% who supported?
                If this is about the elections and about 87%.
                That is 87% is the number of people who voted. Among those who showed up to vote.
                And how many did not come to the elections. And the figure for one candidate will already be under 50%.
                Plus, in the republics, there is a tradition of almost forcing people to vote for one candidate.
                And how many more votes were thrown in and rigged.
                That is, in reality, our current “helmsman” has the support of, I think, no more than 40% of the people.
              2. +2
                1 September 2024 00: 35
                Quote: Hagen
                and 80% of the country's people support the President

                "Of course I believe you, can there be any doubt...?"
                (Words from the song) wassat
          3. +13
            31 August 2024 17: 37
            . How would it be to see the Guarantor with a machine gun in his hands near Kursk and Kherson at the same time?


            Well, I don't think that's the point. He is the Guarantor! The Guarantor of the Constitution! And what is written there? What does the Constitution guarantee.... (there is a lot written there). Protection of life, health, the right to work and education.... . But in fact? Does this exist?
            Recent examples:
            In fact, the people he appointed turned the Ministry of Defense into a personal feeding trough. They lived in luxury, spent money they hadn't earned, and caused enormous damage to the country's defense capability... And so what?! Where is the open trial? Where is the daily coverage on central channels?
            They threw a stone into the swamp. One, well, okay, several. "There" are only three or four "things"? The swamp is not drained. The devil knows what has been going on for decades.
            And HE is on the sidelines?
            In particular, this is where the claims come from.
            1. -20
              31 August 2024 18: 24
              Quote: Podvodnik
              And HE is on the sidelines?

              He changed the Ministry of Defense and gave the criminal cases against the generals a go. Is this called "on the sidelines"? The demand for openness of the trials against the generals is absurd today. There are most likely things there that constitute a secret. And in general, comments in the media on current investigations are impossible, this is generally prohibited by the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation. And why do you need these investigations, is life boring? Is there nothing to discuss in the kitchen or the smoking room? The crime was revealed, the case was opened. There will be a court decision, it will be published. This is enough for the general public. That is the job of the Guarantor, to ensure that the branches of power work without outside interference.
          4. +6
            31 August 2024 19: 55
            Quote: Hagen
            How would it be to see the Guarantor with a machine gun in his hands near Kursk and Kherson at the same time?
            It would be nice. Fair. And the rest of the government and the Duma too. And we'll somehow survive without them. Or we'll elect new ones, no problem.
            1. -9
              31 August 2024 20: 23
              Quote: bk0010
              It would be nice. Fair. And the rest of the government and the Duma too. And we'll somehow survive without them. Or we'll elect new ones, no problem.

              It's hard to come up with a more short-sighted idea. I don't even want to explain this joke... It's a pity that something like this is being born in what was once the most well-read country. Or maybe they didn't read that much?
        3. man
          +17
          31 August 2024 11: 51
          In Kursk region, civilians are dying, houses are collapsing, and the Guarantor is going to the North Caucasus to survey the microdistrict named after him...
          The upcoming visit to Mongolia has been undeservedly forgotten. Let's be fair, Garant is expanding the geography of visits smile .
      2. +11
        31 August 2024 15: 21
        It is VERY DIFFICULT to turn this breakthrough into a cauldron. It's all about the terrain.

        The Ukrainians chose an ideal piece of terrain for a corps operation, a breakthrough of several brigades 30-40 km deep and the same along the border (which is important: it is dangerous to break through only forward in this area - that is why they widened the breakthrough by August 12-13). There, on the left along the border, is the Glushkovsky district, cut off by the Seim and Snagost rivers and three bridges destroyed by missiles, squeezed by the Ukrainians from three sides (from there it is difficult not only to attack, but to hold on!). And on the right is the city of Sudzha with its outskirts and the Psel river, which is good for the Ukrainian defense + the forests near the village of Guevo.

        And in the center (between Sudzha and Lyubimovka) there is just the place for their dash forward, flat, with a slope from the Ukrainians to us, almost without forests and rivers across, with roads in the right directions. Moreover: there is a gthe pipeline that STILL carries gas to the EU (even now - 40-45 million m3 per day: https://tass.ru/ekonomika/21730875 - that's 20 million dollars per day!) - our corrupt elites WERE CONFIDENT thatut the ukry will definitely not attack: the EU won't allow them, they feel sorry to lose our 1 billion dollars a year for transit, there is a deal with them. But already 5-10 times in this war the Ukrainians have shown that they can't be trusted - they will violate anything! And they struck where our generals didn't expect, where the troops were relaxed (because of the "untouchable" gas pipeline), fortifications were not built, plans and reserve positions were not thought out. This is the result of the deal.

        Look closely at the map: the Ukrainians started from the heights near Yunakiyevka/Yablonovka - our entire defense, including the city of Sudzha, is under fire. Here the border should have been drawn differently (retreating from Sumy in 2022), 15-20 km deep into Ukraine, along the hills and ponds near Yunakiyevka/Yablonovka (and even better through the forest in the area of ​​Pisarevka, Vaklivshina, Mogritsa - with hills in our rear) - I showed it on the map with a red dotted line.

        But we are humane (the president said so), we are playing hard-nosed and giveaway games. It is not clear why.
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      4. 0
        2 September 2024 08: 56
        There are no such funds in sight.
    3. +32
      31 August 2024 07: 15
      ...I have the distinct impression that all of our military failures smoothly flow into the incapacity of Kremlin politicians who are trying to sit on two chairs.


      Well, thank God.
      You are beginning to have insight.
      A little more effort and it will dawn on you: who is the most important person in the Kremlin? incompetent Kremlin politicians trying to sit on two chairs
      1. -7
        31 August 2024 08: 29
        And where is the observer with his trolling and provocation?
      2. -2
        31 August 2024 10: 17
        When you get up from your knees, you should have looked around
    4. +18
      31 August 2024 08: 41
      How did this happen - the answer is simple, you will find the guilty ones in the Kremlin, they are the ones who run the show - and "manage" the country and the army, so much so that trillions disappear into their pockets! And, most of all, they are afraid of initiatives from below, and the need to act as decisively as possible! But decisiveness in action is not their strong point, God did not give them courage!
    5. +9
      31 August 2024 09: 54
      What a synonym you came up with for the word betrayal.
    6. Owl
      +7
      31 August 2024 09: 57
      Amateurs and businessmen should not be allowed to conduct military operations. "The leaders of Russia" are both, all together.
    7. +4
      31 August 2024 11: 28
      uses all permissible and impermissible means of warfare to fight our country.

      Not even close. Not even close. That's just a lie! Sorry, but that's how it is.
      While tomahawks are not flying at Nizhny Tagil and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. But they can! While BEKs have not hit Severomorsk and Vladivostok. But they can! Not a single ship has been sunk there. So there is no need here.
      1. man
        0
        31 August 2024 11: 59
        Quote: Arzoo
        uses all permissible and impermissible means of warfare to fight our country.

        Not even close. Not even close. That's just a lie! Sorry, but that's how it is.
        While tomahawks are not flying at Nizhny Tagil and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. But they can! While BEKs have not hit Severomorsk and Vladivostok. But they can! Not a single ship has been sunk there. So there is no need here.

        And don't tell them anything
    8. -12
      31 August 2024 14: 42
      There is a theory that the current events are some kind of plan. Our economy is developing due to the military-industrial complex, simultaneously irrigating related industries. Retail, financial products and real estate are growing due to the spending of the SVOshniks. The American military-industrial complex and financial industry are also in the black, sucking and crushing Europe. That is, in essence, we have agreed: Ukraine - to Russia, Europe - to America, and in public we will quarrel and throw mud at each other. I repeat, this is just a theory, the evidence of which is only the strange behavior of both sides. That you only started tanks in the second year of the war, and in the third year you started supplying planes, although you could have given all this in a heap in March 22 and it would have been, believe me, not a partial mobilization but a general one. That ours are messing around with bridges, Zelensky and the Kursk region. I have a friend - an officer - an artilleryman, says that an average city can be turned into a desert in a day. there are too many strange things, or we don't know something.
    9. 0
      1 September 2024 00: 31
      Is it worth commenting on such articles at all? I was taken in by the impressive title, thinking that the author knew some recipe, or at least suggested it. But no - it's just a general, non-constructive criticism.
    10. 0
      3 September 2024 09: 28
      Exactly the opposite. The incompetence of the Kremlin grandfathers flows into disasters in all directions, both in the economy and in politics.
  2. +1
    31 August 2024 04: 51
    According to the Ministry of Defense as of August 27.08.2024, 6, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already lost more than 600 servicemen (out of the initial 12 people, excluding rotation).

    As of August 29, more than thousand three hundred obituaries of the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers who died in the Kursk region.
    That is, over ten percent of the available staff in three weeks is already everything.
    1. +24
      31 August 2024 06: 05
      Here I look at the figures from the obituaries and from the Ministry of Defense... Is someone lying? And what are these ten percent for them? Look, yesterday the monsters were attacking Belgorod, peaceful people died.
      1. +3
        1 September 2024 00: 12
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        I'm looking at the figures from the obituaries and from the Ministry of Defense...Is someone lying?

        Никто.
        1 obituaries is the minimum confirmed number of deceased Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers, of which there are in fact many more than obituaries.
        In addition, let's not forget that obituaries on both sides are published with a delay, and also that the Russian Ministry of Defense provides estimated information on the enemy's total losses.
        And these are not only the killed, but also the wounded Ukrainians, of whom, of course, there are many more than the killed.
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Look, yesterday the monsters attacked Belgorod, civilians died.

        Vile creatures, what else can one say.
    2. +45
      31 August 2024 06: 29
      According to "official" statements, 12000 snouts entered Kursk Oblast, more than 6600 were destroyed. Losses of more than 50% and after that they do not abandon their positions and flee? Something does not fit here.
      And the task set is also confusing - to "squeeze out" the enemy from the Kursk region. Why not cut off the escape routes and destroy and clear the territory?
      1. +15
        31 August 2024 07: 26
        after this they don't abandon their positions and run?
        Reinforcements, with ammunition and other things, have leaked in... As if during an invasion... wink
        1. +18
          31 August 2024 10: 00
          Yeah, past the checkpoints, Akhmat. They fight unfairly, you understand, they are expected there, but they are in another place.
          1. +13
            31 August 2024 10: 07
            They fight unfairly, you understand.
            And we are honest, straight forward, not in a roundabout way... not like them...
      2. +7
        31 August 2024 08: 00
        According to "official" statements, 12000 snouts entered the Kursk region, more than 6600 were destroyed.

        Yesterday the numbers 10000-11000 flashed, 7500 destroyed.
        1. +11
          31 August 2024 08: 45
          That's what I'm saying, suffering such losses in percentage terms and they manage to "maintain" combat capability.
      3. +13
        31 August 2024 09: 10
        I agree. I do not believe that we do not have the means to cut off and shoot through the supply of equipment and people. This is simply unbelievable! Baranets revealed information that in reality near Kursk the Ukrainian Armed Forces number somewhere between 15 and 20 thousand soldiers, although initially they said no more than 11-15 thousand. He also wrote that the SVUs are holding a front not of 400 sq. km as they said earlier, but already 25 by 40 km, i.e. approximately 1000 sq. km.!!!
        1. +4
          31 August 2024 09: 22
          British newspapers wrote about 18000 Ukrops.
        2. +10
          31 August 2024 09: 24
          "Grandmaster games" and "multi-move games" are already starting to scare people.
          1. +8
            31 August 2024 10: 34
            Quote: Vladimir M
            "Grandmaster games" and "multi-move games" are already starting to scare people.

            Are you just starting to get scared?
            1. +19
              31 August 2024 11: 36
              Three or four years ago I hoped that there was some kind of “cunning plan” and everything was “under control”.
              But now I understand that I was very much mistaken.
              1. +4
                1 September 2024 01: 06
                Quote: Vladimir M
                there is some kind of "cunning plan"

                He is so "brilliant" that it is not possible for an ordinary person... fellow
                Quote: Vladimir M
                "under control"

                Yes, under control, but not by his control.
                And the balloon turned out to be reusable. It can still be inflated... hi
              2. 0
                2 September 2024 21: 47
                There is certainly a plan. But our role in this plan is a loser. Our task is to vote correctly again, nothing more. No one will tell you anything about the real plans.
                "Our internal elite is split, and many underestimate the extent of this split. A significant part of the elite is against the SVO, it is still focused on joining the West... In this regard, they regard both the special operation and the annexation of Crimea as nothing less than our turn towards the Soviet Union."
                Alexey Podberezkin, Director of the Center for Military-Political Problems
                1. +1
                  2 September 2024 23: 28
                  But "our elite", although I can't bring myself to call it ours, isn't it afraid of a repeat of 1917? Surely it must have a "sense of self-preservation".
                  "Prigozhin's March" showed that the people did not go out to "defend" him, just as they did not go out to "defend" the Tsar in his time. hi
                  1. +1
                    3 September 2024 22: 08
                    Everything has its time. While they think it will pass. People tolerate everything. But if it continues like this... Prigozhin warned that if SVO continues as it does, there will be a revolution.
        3. +4
          31 August 2024 11: 47
          I don't believe that we don't have the means to cut off and shoot through the supply of equipment and people. It's simply unbelievable!

          Yes, everything is there, but if they were used to the full extent, it would mean turning the Kursk region into a "Moonscape" and burying everyone there. But as our guarantor likes to say and repeats them like a mantra: "We are not like that." And what are we? Tomorrow the Poles or the Germans will enter the Kaliningrad region and, as always, they will show concern and write a message to the UN.
      4. man
        +6
        31 August 2024 12: 04
        According to "official" statements, 12000 snouts entered Kursk Oblast, more than 6600 were destroyed. Losses of more than 50% and after that they do not abandon their positions and flee? Something does not fit here.
        They must have been resurrected
        1. +2
          31 August 2024 15: 33
          Some kind of attack of the dead
    3. 0
      31 August 2024 14: 59
      As of August 29, there are already over one thousand three hundred obituaries of Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers who died in the Kursk region in the public domain.
      And you remember that the expired Ze loudly declared six months ago that the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in two years of war are only 30 thousand. So they will declare losses near Kursk at 500 people. And their obituaries are in the public domain together with the Donbass losses.
  3. +39
    31 August 2024 05: 11
    The tragedy of the Kursk people is on the conscience of VVP personally. Shame and disgrace of the "multi-move"!
    1. +18
      31 August 2024 08: 11
      conscience of VVP personally.

      Nevertheless, he will be elected for the next term with 98% approval, and if he is elected, why do it well and it will go.
      1. -8
        31 August 2024 15: 02
        Nevertheless, he will be elected for the next term with 98% approval ratings.
        Do you suggest choosing Yavlinsky or Kasparov next time?
        1. 0
          31 August 2024 16: 47
          I suggest choosing you. I think you can handle it.
          1. +1
            31 August 2024 21: 21
            .
            I suggest choosing you. I think you can handle it.
            I'm recusing myself right away. I'm not young. I don't want to be laughed at like Biden.
            1. 0
              1 September 2024 08: 56
              Aaaaah, I see. In general, "drive him out, laugh at him." laughing
              1. 0
                1 September 2024 12: 47
                I see. In general, "drive him out, laugh at him"
                And you suggest applauding old man Biden, who has clearly fallen into dementia, but is clinging to power with all his might?
                1. +2
                  1 September 2024 12: 51
                  "And you propose to applaud old man Biden, who has clearly fallen into dementia, but is clinging to power with all his might?"
                  This reminds me of something. laughing
                  1. 0
                    1 September 2024 15: 19
                    This reminds me of something. laughing
                    This also reminds me very much of the leader of one country who cancelled elections in his country and lost legitimacy, but holds on tightly to power. He rules his country in such a way that citizens of this country prefer to live abroad.
    2. +1
      1 September 2024 01: 15
      Quote: andrewkor
      Shame and shame

      You use strange terms. The situation requires other formulations. hi
  4. -17
    31 August 2024 05: 17
    Quote: andrewkor
    The tragedy of the Kursk people is on the conscience of VVP personally. Shame and disgrace of the "multi-move"!

    There has now been a massive missile attack on the Belgorod region.
    The video showed a clear hit of a missile on a civilian car on the highway... the car caught fire instantly... I hope the people there survived. request
    We can say that Ukrainian Nazis are killing peaceful citizens of our country live on air...we've come to this...this is genocide and a war crime, definitely.
    Zelensky and his gangster entourage are personally responsible for this.
    1. +35
      31 August 2024 06: 06
      You are making the wrong person responsible for genocide... am
      1. +18
        31 August 2024 06: 22
        The bourgeoisie are never, well, not guilty of anything... Not at all.
    2. -9
      31 August 2024 06: 24
      Either we fight and destroy fascism, or we play SVO. It's good that the Supreme Commander no longer asks "to be humane with the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", as on the first day.
      1. +20
        31 August 2024 06: 48
        I don't think that this man... damn, I can't bring myself to call him Supreme, he changed his mind... Although he stopped voicing it. It's impossible to say that it doesn't depend on him anymore, and our fighters, according to reports, have stopped taking prisoners of the Armed Forces with spent ammunition. After all, he continues to make decisions, or, on the contrary, blame everything on the Constitution... And not on urgent necessity.
      2. +37
        31 August 2024 07: 11
        The Supreme, the one with a capital letter, we have only one - Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. The rest - do not even reach the edge of his boots.
        1. -12
          31 August 2024 08: 24
          At the same time, our "hurray patriots" witnesses of "holy socialism" and others would have gobbled up the IVS in 1941 and in 1942 and in 1943, and what's more, in 44 and 45 there would have been 1000+1 reasons for hysteria and attacks. So we'll see. At the same time, the IVS is truly Supreme, including because, despite everything, it brought the matter to an end.
          1. +28
            31 August 2024 08: 29
            Somehow I don’t remember comrade Stalin constantly conducting some murky negotiations with Aloizyevich after June 22nd. And also during the war he sold him strategic resources.
            1. 0
              1 September 2024 11: 29
              Muddy negotiations were held with the so-called "allies" who raised, nurtured and directed this cadre. And traded with him through all sorts of Borelians and the like.
              1. 0
                1 September 2024 16: 13
                Unfortunately, Stalin did not yet have weapons capable of threatening the "allies" with death, unlike Khrushchev and today's Russia. So, parallels must be drawn correctly. Now we can put pressure on the "allies" and force them to retreat. This is the key difference in our current situation.
            2. 0
              3 September 2024 07: 06
              Quote: paul3390
              Somehow I don’t remember Comrade Stalin constantly conducting some kind of murky negotiations with Aloizyevich after June 22nd.

              You are simply not interested in the history of your country. Before 1943 we tried to approach "the other side" with proposals, after '43 they tried to push theirs on us. Yes, Stalin and Hitler did not meet or communicate personally. But intelligence services and various intermediaries worked almost continuously... You just have to read...
          2. +24
            31 August 2024 09: 21
            Quote: Arch
            At the same time, our "hurray patriots" are witnesses of "holy socialism"

            You've got it a bit mixed up. "Hurray-patriots" kiss Putin on all sides and, just like him, hate socialism. They say that everything is going according to plan and support the maintenance of the Estetsky Center and the covering of the mausoleum with plywood on Victory Day.
            1. -1
              1 September 2024 11: 37
              Socialism, like other isms, is one of the invented classifications of society. But with the "hurray-patriots" these are precisely those who squeal that under socialism such things did not happen and could not happen. The same squealed during the First World War (in the end they themselves surrendered everything and almost completely ruined the country) and in the Great Patriotic War, jumping over to the enemy, because "the idols Bolsheviks sold out Russia". And in 1991 they jumped the same way. Now it is the same. In my opinion, the enemy, after the failure of liberalism, is betting on neo-socialists. Because he does not care under what slogan the Maidan is stirred up.
        2. +6
          31 August 2024 09: 46
          Under Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, could you imagine that the enemy would drive NATO equipment around some region of the USSR? And under Gorbachev, for the landing of Rust, defense mines and the main air defense were fired, and at the same time...there are no words.
          1. man
            +9
            31 August 2024 12: 16
            Under Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, could you imagine that the enemy would drive NATO equipment through some region of the USSR?
            And most importantly, we couldn’t even imagine in our worst nightmare who our enemy would be...
            1. ada
              0
              2 September 2024 10: 40
              Quote: mann
              ... And most importantly, we couldn’t even imagine in our worst nightmare who our enemy would be...

              It has always been known - an internal enemy. As I assume, you mean Ukraine, a country or part of a country as a state entity? Well, it is also internal and has always been a danger, there an internal special operation for a number of indicators had to be carried out in any post-war year, and if possible, even in a war year during the completion of events in Western Europe.
    3. +17
      31 August 2024 07: 27
      ...You could say that Ukrainian Nazis are killing peaceful citizens of our country live on air...we've come to this...this is genocide and a war crime, for sure.
      Zelensky and his gangster entourage are personally responsible for this.


      You are looking for those responsible in the wrong place, look at the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

      Article 82

      1. When taking office, the President of the Russian Federation takes the following oath to the people:

      "I swear, when exercising the powers of the President of the Russian Federation, to respect and protect the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, to observe and protect the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to protect the sovereignty and independence, security and integrity of the state, to faithfully serve the people."

      2. The oath is taken in a solemn atmosphere in the presence of members of the Federation Council, deputies of the State Duma and judges of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation.
      1. +20
        31 August 2024 08: 18
        The constitution also has a secret clause which contains an oath to protect the yachts and castles of the compradors in the West, this clause is a priority.
        1. man
          +1
          31 August 2024 12: 22
          Quote: nickname7
          The constitution also has a secret clause which contains an oath to protect the yachts and castles of the compradors in the West, this clause is a priority.

          Well, that's not true! I haven't read the Constitution, but I know for sure that there's nothing written there about protecting yachts! That's it! hi
        2. -12
          31 August 2024 15: 06
          There is also a secret clause in the constitution which
          Secret clause in the Constitution? Are you delirious or hungover?
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    5. +1
      31 August 2024 08: 54
      The enemies of the USSR, both in your anti-Sovietism and in propaganda against the enemies of the USSR in other countries, always have the same “trick” - a break in the cause-and-effect relationship - between what you did and the fact that you were punished for it, between what you did and the fact that the same thing was done against you.
    6. 0
      31 August 2024 10: 02
      Are you sure it's only him? """
    7. -1
      1 September 2024 16: 44
      I hope the people there survived

      Well, yes, we got out of the car, shook ourselves off and went home. Take your head out of there.
  5. +21
    31 August 2024 06: 15
    Another article in the style of: "Yeah, we should, yeah, we should, we should, we should, we should, we should..." (c) And the following happens: "The twisted path leads further and further, from the place of worthy victories..." (c),
  6. -13
    31 August 2024 06: 42
    Unlike us, the Ukrainian Wehrmacht will strike at squares, at residential buildings, at places where people gather, and at electrical substations that are sensitive to us. To achieve a media effect, they will be supplied with hundreds of missiles and they will bomb according to NATO standards. There will be no negotiations - there will be a war of extermination. But without a nuclear war. Everyone agrees that it is possible to fight, but without a nuclear loaf. Only the West can use a nuclear loaf - to save its democratic values. The West has not yet used all its trump cards, the main one is the navy.
    1. man
      +9
      31 August 2024 12: 28
      Unlike us, the Ukrainian Wehrmacht will strike at squares, residential buildings, places where people gather, and electrical substations that are sensitive to us.
      Well, yes, and ours only shoot into the air so as not to hit anyone.
      1. -4
        31 August 2024 12: 39
        For us, these are collateral damage that we don’t talk about.
  7. +26
    31 August 2024 06: 58
    Kursk showed that the entire SVO was not prepared from the start. It showed what the Russian leadership really is and all its competence. The most important thing is what is the exit now. There is actually only one - wait for the end of the SVO and the signing of some kind of truce, and then everyone will decide for themselves which side and what choice to make. According to the declared goals, Russia is not winning at the moment.
    1. +21
      31 August 2024 08: 38
      Quote: Igor1915
      Kursk showed that everything was not prepared from the start.

      In fact, this was already visible after a maximum of a month of the start of the SVO.
    2. man
      +11
      31 August 2024 12: 31
      Kursk showed that everything was not prepared from the start.
      I envy you, only Kursk showed you this...
  8. +37
    31 August 2024 06: 59
    Our “leader” was at first confused by this, then pretended that nothing bad had happened, and now propaganda is turning this into almost our victory.
    1. -16
      31 August 2024 15: 09
      Our "leader" was at first confused by this, then pretended,
      Your leader is, judging by everything, the one who is expired and whose nose is covered in powder.
  9. -9
    31 August 2024 07: 04
    what is the admin panel testing the mood again))) who will open their mouths at the vertical? and the flute to you, comrade, personally I will go and vote with all my might for the brilliant ideas of the vertical and I will also mark myself at the polling station
  10. +20
    31 August 2024 07: 19
    How to turn the Kursk abscess into a shameful cauldron of the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

    Answer: with the current command - no way. The SVO is not being conducted for the sake of victory, but for the sake of negotiations. Probably, as in the case of Minsk 1,2, it will take 8 years for someone to understand the critical harm of such a strategy.

    Because of this political attitude, the Russian Armed Forces do not attack in accordance with the canons of military science, but squeeze and grind, because those at the top are waiting for negotiations to begin any minute.

    Carl von Clausewitz said:

    "In such things as war, the mistakes of benevolence are the worst of all...

    Kind-hearted people may, of course, believe that there is some original way of disarming and defeating an enemy without shedding much blood, and they are also free to think that this is precisely where the real achievements of the art of war lie.

    This sounds attractive, but in reality it is a deception that must be exposed.

    War is an extremely dangerous business, in which the worst mistakes come from kindness."


    It looks like it hasn't been read.
    1. +13
      31 August 2024 08: 08
      The SVO has other goals, oh, other. First they divided it into principalities, now the Russians are mowing down the Russians. The Masons always play the long game. When the Russians run out, they will come and take everything without a fight.
    2. +1
      1 September 2024 10: 58
      @avia12005: "Carl von Clausewitz said:...It seems that it has not been read."

      Who has time to read Clausewitz, when there are much more important things to be read, such as Rudyard Kipling's "Jungle Book", the writings of Ilyin, etc.?
  11. -1
    31 August 2024 07: 32
    The Ukrainian enemies of the USSR can enter in one day and leave in one day.
  12. +16
    31 August 2024 07: 33
    You read an article like this and your mood drops to the extreme! Is it really true that we don't have sensible people at the top who really care about Russia and the people and not about their own selfish interests!
    1. +20
      31 August 2024 07: 56
      Why the hell should they care about the people? Where is the incentive?

      If the people do not engage in politics, politics engages the people.

      When the Duma in March 1996 declared Yeltsin a criminal offender in its resolution, People didn't care. Recognized as president for the second time.

      When in October 1993 the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies was shot at with tanks, citizens and the entire Army watched it on TV. And today the deputies watch on TV what is happening to the Army and to the children of those observers.

      Everything is going its own way, what complaints?
    2. +20
      31 August 2024 08: 08
      Do we really not have sensible people at the top who truly care about Russia and the people?

      What Russia and people, if for a minute the Supreme Judge of Tatarstan has children with American citizenship obtained secretly. And he is the Supreme Judge and put him on the post of President of the Russian Federation.
    3. man
      +1
      31 August 2024 12: 38
      Quote: ZIF122
      You read an article like this and your mood drops to the extreme! Is it really true that we don't have sensible people at the top who really care about Russia and the people and not about their own selfish interests!

      There are, of course, but it seems they are in the minority...
  13. +17
    31 August 2024 07: 43
    Return the minuses for the articles. I'm already sick of the pronouns, what we are. The bourgeois solve their problems, the people are not interesting to them, judging by the real actions and the Kursk volost too.
  14. +14
    31 August 2024 07: 43
    If we take the whole chain: Munich speech - Snowden - Ukraine 2014 (it was from this moment that Kursk 2024 appeared) - 10-year hope to come to an agreement and legitimize Crimea - 24.2022 - Kursk. Putin's goal is clear, but instead of a team that could decide such things, like, say, Sergei Ivanov, he chose someone like Medvedev. How can you solve such issues of world order by surrounding yourself with convenient people?? The resignation of the same Surovikin showed that Putin is not ready to step over himself, at the moment, don't even hope for any 1944. Take care of yourself, this government is not worth worrying about.
    1. 0
      1 September 2024 16: 31
      This government, having first-class nuclear weapons, is leading the country straight to destruction in a war with conventional weapons with NATO countries and Japan. This war has already begun. So we need to worry and think in order to save the country, ourselves and our children.
      1. 0
        2 September 2024 10: 58
        Are you sure that Yao is what they said about it? Before 24.02, everyone thought a little differently about the technical equipment of the army. Naturally, every adult should react to current events, but there is no need to worry about the hopes given by the state.
  15. -13
    31 August 2024 07: 45
    hmm...Medvedev may not have been a shining example, but he was bolder in the Georgian conflict than the current one...
    1. +12
      31 August 2024 09: 23
      What nonsense, if you really studied the issue, then the war with Georgia was completely decided by Putin, Medvedev was not even close. Look who Europe negotiated with.
      1. man
        +5
        31 August 2024 12: 49
        Quote: Igor1915
        What nonsense, if you really studied the issue, then the war with Georgia was completely decided by Putin, Medvedev was not even close. Look who Europe negotiated with.

        That's true, but the conclusion was wrong. They decided that since it worked with Georgia, it will work with Ukraine. But that's how it is...
  16. +8
    31 August 2024 07: 46
    Every army is a reflection of society. And the army cannot be different from society. The passion for enrichment and the desire to survive do not provide the soil that was in the past. The attack on the Kursk region is, first of all, an attack on our country. And where are the queues at the military registration and enlistment offices? People have been brought up in a completely different spirit for decades. We have workers, and let them work. We have soldiers - let them fight. Egoism and passion for money plague the country. Where do we get militant migrants from? Yes, for the same reasons. Health to all.
    1. +5
      31 August 2024 09: 01
      What kind of State will there be, and what kind of people, what kind of army, is determined not by the entire people, but only by those who own the State. No one will argue that the USSR and the Soviet people are communists and their supporters. So after the destruction of the USSR, 14 States on its territory, except for Belarus, are only enemies of the USSR.
      1. -4
        31 August 2024 15: 08
        No one will argue that the USSR and the Soviet people are communists and their supporters.
        And where did they go? a couple hundred million "communists and supporters of communists" - if immediately after the collapse of the USSR it turned out that there were only enemies around?
        So after the destruction of the USSR, 14 States on its territory, except Belarus, are only enemies of the USSR
      2. +10
        31 August 2024 15: 35
        Quote: tatra
        What kind of State there will be, what kind of people, what kind of army, is determined not by the entire people, but only by those who own the State.

        Irina! The state is not owned, the state is created on some basis and managed. One can own what is in the country that this state manages, because:
        The state is a political organization of society that has special mechanisms of management and coercion, establishing legal order in a certain territory and possessing sovereignty.

        * * *
        Now with you, "you are not our 1970 release."
        Quote: your1970
        And where did the couple of hundred million "communists and communist supporters" go - if immediately after the collapse of the USSR it turned out that there were only enemies around?

        In the USSR of the late period, communists, together with candidate members of the CPSU, accounted for 19 million people out of 287 million citizens of the USSR.
        After the collapse of the USSR (the destruction of the Soviet state), people were abandoned to their fate and betrayed by the top of the CPSU together with the top of the security forces, thanks to the well-known organization that had information on everyone (the KGB). The nuances of how this happened were different. One thing was clear, all this chaos was started only to finally and irrevocably ruin the most progressive socio-political system in a single country, which was (even then) a mortal enemy of the world bourgeoisie.
        But the citizens of the USSR did not go anywhere. They were simply fooled by the team that had the power structures (thanks to bribery, threats and blackmail) and finances in its hands.
        If you suddenly insist that people hated socialism, you are simply being hypocritical (lying).
        hi
    2. +10
      31 August 2024 10: 43
      The state has taught people that they are on their own and it is on its own, unfortunately. Has the state helped you with anything lately or asked your opinion?
    3. man
      +4
      31 August 2024 12: 55
      People have been brought up in a completely different spirit for decades. We have workers, let them work. We have soldiers, let them fight. Egoism and passion for money plague the country. Where do we get militant migrants from?
      I'll continue: we have militant migrants - let them fight, since they are so militant
  17. -6
    31 August 2024 08: 08
    It is difficult to comment on such a multidirectional flow of thoughts.
    There is politics, and the magic of the USSR, and a childish emotional desire to get a result at a given moment; only an analysis of forces and means is missing.
    You need to grow up, or plant potatoes in your garden if it’s already too late.
    1. +24
      31 August 2024 08: 43
      Analysis of forces and means? How can a country without any allies and having actually started a war, with a destroyed scientific and industrial potential, with a cowardly leadership, win a war against the collective West. Even if it is in bliss, but already spinning the flywheel of its military-technical potential
      1. +4
        31 August 2024 09: 06
        Only by taking the initiative into your own hands and, having forestalled the enemy, inflict a lightning-fast strategic defeat on him with all available arsenal, without regard for his victims.
        So far, the enemy's strategy of gradual escalation of the conflict (slowly boiling the frog) is bearing fruit.
        1. man
          0
          31 August 2024 13: 21
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          Only by taking the initiative into your own hands and, having forestalled the enemy, inflict a lightning-fast strategic defeat on him with all available arsenal, without regard for his victims.
          So far, the enemy's strategy of gradual escalation of the conflict (slowly boiling the frog) is bearing fruit.

          Victor, I'm afraid that's not enough. There is an objective reality, a colossal difference in potential, ours and the US, and in everything except... nuclear weapons... and even then, who the hell knows what order they're in after the 90s, there haven't been any tests for too long and the Americans are behaving too brazenly...
          1. +3
            31 August 2024 13: 39
            There is an objective reality, a colossal difference in potential, ours and the US, and in everything except... nuclear weapons... and even then, who the hell knows what order they are in after the 90s, there have been no tests for too long and the Americans are behaving too brazenly...

            Golden words, everything is just in its place:
            There is a colossal difference in potential...
            - so we need to beat them piece by piece until they can realize this potential locally.
            And who the hell knows what order it's in after the 90s...
            - increase the density of targets in connection with probabilistic expectation.
            And the Americans are behaving too brazenly...
            - bluff, that's their essence, you can't fall for it, a guy from Korea checked their bazaar - and it turned out rotten.
            And most importantly, before they start in earnest from the Baltic to the Black Sea (and even from the Barents Sea to the Caspian), we must decisively end this SVO with an unconditional victory. Then there will be no naval blockade. Looking at the fresh grave of their project, few will want to repeat it.
            1. man
              +2
              31 August 2024 16: 20
              And the Americans are behaving too brazenly...
              [i]- bluff, that's their essence, you can't fall for it, a guy from Korea checked their bazaar - and it turned out rotten.[/i]
              That was the case, but what would the States have gotten after the supposed victory over North Korea? The prize would have been small, to put it mildly, and there would have been a ton of problems. Having defeated Russia, God forbid, the Americans would have finally reigned over the entire world with all the consequences. I will not list the advantages for the Americans, they are obvious, as well as the big disadvantages for the rest of the world, including the closest allies of the States. It is strange that the rest of the world either does not understand this, or does not understand it enough, demonstrating rare stupidity!
              With the rest of your points, I either agree or I will not judge due to insufficient competence and information. hi
              1. +2
                31 August 2024 18: 07
                You are right, the US is betting on world domination. But they really don't want to take risks, they want to play it safe, especially by destabilizing the situation between the towers.
                Otherwise, thank you, it was nice talking to you! hi
                1. man
                  +1
                  31 August 2024 20: 06
                  Quote: Victor Leningradets
                  You are right, the US is betting on world domination. But they really don't want to take risks, they want to play it safe, especially by destabilizing the situation between the towers.
                  Otherwise, thank you, it was nice talking to you! hi

                  That's the point, for the sake of such a royal jackpot they can easily take a risk, especially since, I think, they are confident that the Kremlin will not be the first to press the button. sad
                  Mutually! smile hi
                2. ada
                  +1
                  2 September 2024 12: 25
                  Quote: Victor Leningradets
                  You are right, the US is betting on world domination. But they really don't want to take risks, they want to play it safe,

                  Quote: mann
                  for the sake of such a royal jackpot they can easily take risks, especially

                  I would like to draw your attention to one fact, it is very indicative.
                  Critically important for the support implementation of US-NATO strategic planning in the Western CIS, in fact the only factor of influence with such a significant and comprehensive module of escalation potential is the Donbas border armed conflict with the next step military conflict, kept intact for decades for the planned start of the war, was already activated by the US military in 2014.
                  In this regard, I can assume:
                  1. The factor was initiated under duress, in conditions of the external perimeter’s unpreparedness for its full implementation in accordance with the planning for the use and application of NATO’s Joint Forces in this strategic area.
                  2. The US and most satellites' VPRs are not independent and self-sufficient government bodies, independent of external control influence, and act according to the plans of outside forces based on false introductory information introduced into the government apparatus through embedded substructures.
                  Output.
                  At present, the actions of the military-political countries - potential participants in a major military regional conflict are reactive, their sequence is mosaic, and their finality is illusory, which clearly shows the impossibility of conducting planned events of special and military planning in an organized manner in accordance with international treaties of military-political blocs and other interstate relations, including the UN, and in particular - the developed NATO Joint Forces.
                  It is likely to expect an uncontrolled escalation of the military conflict between Russia and Ukraine, inspired by outside interested forces, until the conflict grows beyond the previously expected scale, and with its unification or mutual influence with other military and armed conflicts, to the level of a world war.
                  What do I think in this regard? I see some manifestations in the approaches to the war itself. Previously, one of the defining conditions for the involvement of the United States in the war was ensuring the security of the main continental part of the country from the influence of its challenges and the direct manifestation of its threats on the territory, in particular - situations of catastrophic types for the masses of the population. Now, I do not see such self-restraint. For me, this means that the united influential groups of the ruling class have no other way except the military one and they are pushing the military-industrial complex of different countries to it, and to achieve their goals and satisfy their ambitions they are ready for the nuclear stage. After all, "victory" is a near-war political term with a lot of sides, but the results of the war - military acquisitions, very practical and considered, it is this result that gives the future.
          2. 0
            2 September 2024 11: 45
            There is an objective reality, a colossal difference in potential, ours and the US, and in everything except... nuclear weapons... and even then, who the hell knows what order they are in after the 90s, there haven't been any tests for too long and the Americans are behaving too brazenly
            The difference is not in potential (or rather it exists, but not that big), the difference is in the potential of Western and our leaders. The presence/absence of Faberge will decide the outcome of any fight, so I personally don't expect anything good
      2. man
        -2
        31 August 2024 13: 02
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Analysis of forces and means? How can a country without any allies and having actually started a war, with a destroyed scientific and industrial potential, with a cowardly leadership, win a war against the collective West. Even if it is in bliss, but already spinning the flywheel of its military-technical potential

        I agree, but what should we do now? We don't want negotiations either...
        What is the solution? I personally don't know...
        And yet... are you sure that with brave leadership, we would have won this war?
  18. +8
    31 August 2024 08: 13
    They probably consider us to be submissive sheep whose opinion doesn’t matter, elections are on Friday.
    1. -3
      31 August 2024 15: 14
      They probably think of us as submissive sheep,
      For a Ukrainian you are very self-critical. But you Ukrainians will not be deceived by expired. You have already sat on the necks of the Germans and the French half in Europe.
  19. +19
    31 August 2024 08: 14
    As long as an impotent man surrounded by liars is in power, nothing will change.
    1. -12
      31 August 2024 15: 17
      .
      As long as an impotent man surrounded by liars is in power, nothing will change.
      I agree with you here. The shelf with your expired goods is hugged in Europe and the USA, nothing changes.
  20. -11
    31 August 2024 08: 20
    Author! No need for "ahs"! We need to systematically kill the bastards...., everywhere.
    1. +17
      31 August 2024 11: 16
      At the words systematically and rhythmically, as well as at the expression "no need to panic" I already have a gag reflex. Because it is a veiled "do nothing" and "die without panicking".
  21. -9
    31 August 2024 08: 24
    Let the US not let us destroy the bridges across the Dnieper and many other things.

    The author got something wrong; the US is not an authority on this issue at all.
  22. +5
    31 August 2024 08: 34
    "If we were living in the USSR now, our troops would have surrounded the Ukrainian Armed Forces in a short period of time..."
    Author! Are you not a smart person? How can the USSR and the Armed Forces of Ukraine be at the same time?
    1. +6
      31 August 2024 09: 05
      And what, according to the logic of our “leader”, Lenin created exactly THIS Ukraine, with which he has been fighting for 10 years.
    2. +2
      31 August 2024 09: 33
      "If we were living in the USSR now, our troops would have surrounded the Ukrainian Armed Forces in a short period of time..."
      If we lived in the USSR, we would take the icon of Our Lady of Kazan and fly it around all the fronts, as they did in 1941 during the Battle of Moscow. About the icon, this is from another article by the author, on the history thread. smile And now, with the icon of Our Lady of Kazan, you can make a religious procession around the embassies of NATO countries and victory is assured. laughing
      1. +4
        31 August 2024 13: 49
        Quote: parusnik
        ...And now, with the icon of Our Lady of Kazan, we can make a religious procession around the embassies of NATO countries and victory is assured. laughing


        ...By the way, that's an idea! At the same time, it's quite a way to empirically test a myth :))))
  23. +13
    31 August 2024 08: 43
    With such a talented command - no way. I have a feeling that part of the Kursk region will be under Ukrainian control until the very agreement.
    The last illusions about our government have disappeared. Too weak and incompetent to win anywhere.
    1. +9
      31 August 2024 09: 16
      With such a talented command - no way. I have a feeling that part of the Kursk region will be under Ukrainian control until the very agreement.

      There will be no deal. The enemies (not the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but their masters) have sensed the prey and will not release it until the end. They are provoked by our indecisiveness and incompetence. So a deal is not beneficial to them - further escalation is beneficial to them.
      1. 0
        2 September 2024 11: 24
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        They are provoked by our indecisiveness and incompetence....So a deal is not beneficial to them - further escalation is beneficial to them.

        Is this your "view from above on the situation"? I don't know what and which of the big people benefits from it, because I haven't sat under their beds and haven't heard their private conversations, but I notice that the "evacuation laws" (government decree on the rules for evacuating the population) were adopted in the Russian Federation surprisingly opportunely on March 1, 2023. Very determined and competent And even without the participation of the State Duma. This is another oddity of the strange SVO.
  24. +11
    31 August 2024 09: 37
    The most interesting thing would be if the Ukrainian Armed Forces did this in the Pokrovsk direction, instead of encircling us in the Kursk region. Somehow they give up everything there easily, drawing ours into a breakthrough. Syrsky said the day before yesterday that the defense is there, everything is fine. Then it will be a trick cleaner than Kherson. IMHO.
  25. +23
    31 August 2024 09: 53
    Some kind of a confused presentation. There are answers to the questions posed by the author. But I'm afraid neither society nor the authorities will like them. Joseph Vissarionovich honestly said back in 31 that we were 50-100 years behind the leading countries of the world and that this distance must be overcome in 10 years. Otherwise, they will crush us. So what? The country did not fall apart, panic did not start, the people did not come out to smash the administration. On the contrary, it was an incentive. And the country performed a miracle. But now, if you say that Russia has lost its leading role in all areas and degradation continues, and we are holding on exclusively by selling resources and eating up the legacy of the USSR, then you will immediately earn the label of a foreign agent, prison or a plane crash. Any doctor will say about the need for a correct diagnosis to treat a disease, but if, say, tuberculosis is treated like ARVI, then the fate of the patient is unenviable. It is not the fact that there are problems that is frightening, but the fact that there are no visible ways to solve them.
  26. +7
    31 August 2024 09: 57
    Lolshto? "The US doesn't let us destroy bridges across the Dnieper and many other things" - how is this supposed to be understood? In what way? Who is it that they "don't let"? The General Staff, in general, and "myeschenenachinal", in particular? Mdeush. It's interesting how the girls dance.
  27. -17
    31 August 2024 10: 08
    Oh wow!
    It's just some kind of epic collection of all the delirious cliches from "experts". From red lines to bridges across the Dnieper that are not permitted to be destroyed.
    I'll start with the main thing.
    Regarding the "slow" war. Here and not only here it is clear that Russia entered the war practically unprepared, with errors in assessing the potential of both Ukraine itself and its allies, as well as errors, underestimation of the scale of their non-participation and participation in this conflict. Moreover, I want to note the successes at the beginning of the Central Military District, as a result of which we now have approximately 27% of the captured territories of Ukraine, significant destruction of its military, industrial and mobilization potential. But it is as it is and there is no escape, and we still have to fight. IMHO, the course chosen was a "war of attrition" and, as for me, once again - the only correct one. For many reasons. I have already spoken about the underestimation, the discrepancy between the technical, material and ammunition resources in the warehouses and the list. Theft of sweatshirts and stewed meat took place. They barely collected 300 thousand for mobilization. But this is not the main thing. The main reason for choosing the "war of attrition" options is the unpreparedness for the enormous losses that would have to be paid for accelerating the pace of the war. And now there are losses, of course, and they are not small, but they fit into the formula, the mathematics of the acceptable, no matter how blasphemous it sounds. And in case of active offensive actions, boldly multiply by five, which was shown by the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to the south and ours on Avdiivka.
    Leave these bridges alone! There is nothing to remove them with. Well, at least at the time of the main crisis on the front. The example of the Antonovsky Bridge and attempts to collapse the bridge over Zatoka showed that this requires a monstrous amount of a certain type of ammunition. Given that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were dumping practically unlimited amounts of ammunition on Antonovsky for free. And at the critical moment, these funds were sent to the front straight from production in pieces... So, they simply could not afford to plant a couple of dozen (no more, considering the air defense) ballistic Iskanders in one Dnieper bridge, and as the experience of Zatoka, Chongarsky Bridge, etc. showed, the power of the winged ones is clearly not enough there. It is clear that no one at the top will say that we do not have it or we cannot for anti-propaganda reasons, but you "EXPERTS" turn on your brain already.
    1. -11
      31 August 2024 10: 25
      Briefly about Kursk. This option suggested itself last year. The border is empty. Smart people already discussed this option back then. But here's the paradox. No matter how you look at it, this AGGRESSION of the Kyiv regime in political and propaganda terms is to some extent beneficial in the global media plan. I won't go into details, so as not to fall under the article, but Kyiv itself has slightly written itself off the list of sufferers, to put it mildly, and written us down there) Yes, of course, there is a certain media discomfort that something was missed again, but against the background of all the previous surprises, this will not add much or reduce our "authority" from the "partners". In military terms, the Kursk breakthrough of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has no prospects. As some kind of educational aspect, I can note the methods of maneuver warfare with light forces they used, against the background of how some people are sticking a hunchback to us that such a war is now impossible. Well, now is probably the time and reason for them to learn something new.
      1. -3
        31 August 2024 15: 30
        This option was already suggested last year. The border is empty. Smart people have already discussed this option.
        That's where you're wrong. The border wasn't empty. There were decent fortifications on the border. Pillboxes and bunkers. But conscripts were sitting there behind the triggers, and after the Ukrainian Armed Forces appeared, these conscripts immediately threw their hands up shouting ……we are conscripts. We are not fighting…. There are reports about this in Ukrainian publics. These are the same conscripts who were recently handed over at the border with Belarus. Now these conscripts will probably be awarded state awards and receive participant benefits. In general, it burst where it was weak….
        1. 0
          1 September 2024 11: 28
          For the sake of objectivity, do you think someone trained these conscripts to fight? Maybe former Wagnerites came and showed them how to behave in a modern battle?
          Oh, I'm sure that wasn't even close. They just sat them down, gave them machine guns and automatic rifles and said "sit down". So there shouldn't be any responsibility for them.
          When our conscripts start being trained by people with real combat experience, then we will be able to hold them accountable. But in our country, this is impossible.
          The Supreme Commander said something about weapons for the militia, and after that, at least some signs that the militia exists appeared...?
          1. -1
            1 September 2024 11: 41
            For the sake of objectivity, do you think someone trained these conscripts to fight? Maybe former Wagnerites came and showed them how to behave in a modern battle?
            For the sake of objectivity, military specialties are taught without the participation of any Wagnerites. Wagnerites can come to a unit and tell army stories to raise morale and nothing more. For training military specialties, conscripts have training units, colloquially called training units. And the fact that you do not know this means that you have not served in the army and have learned about the army from TV series or feature films.
            1. +1
              3 September 2024 18: 06
              lol I served in 2008-2009, so I know what training is. Well, we shot once every two weeks, with machine guns. That's all. So yes, I learned to shoot, but what does that have to do with modern warfare?
              And how many of our soldiers learned to fight in training? Or maybe our generals learned to fight well in academies?
              The statutory ones are disgusting because of their unwillingness to see reality and live in reality, their official language, and their senseless belief in a broken system.
              The Belarusians weren't shy about inviting the Wagnerites and learning real war from them. They probably have a more honest view of the world than you and most of our bosses like you, who think that training courses teach something.
              1. -1
                4 September 2024 10: 41
                Well, we shot once every two weeks, with machine guns. That was all.
                It is difficult to say what kind of training it was in which they only fired "with a machine gun" twice. Perhaps it was a standing battalion. Usually, in training, they receive complex military registration specialties. It is impossible to train a good mechanic-driver of an armored personnel carrier or a tank, even in training. In training, they give basic knowledge, and skills and abilities are polished during training during the main service. I am not even talking about mortarmen or artillerymen. The same Wagnerites are not people who fired "with a machine gun" twice, many Wagnerites are reserve officers who have several military registration specialties.
                1. 0
                  4 September 2024 13: 34
                  I probably won't give the unit number, especially since it's already disbanded. However, around these years, some a little earlier, some a little later, many of my friends and acquaintances also served their term, some for 2 years, some for 1 - and they all had the same thing. Some didn't even shoot) some at most went on a "hike" to the forest in winter for a week with shooting. Conscripts weren't allowed to shoot from a grenade launcher at all, only officers had fun like that.
                  You seem to live in some kind of fictional reality, where training schools teach how to fight and academies teach officers how to fight. The real reality, as 3 years of the SVO have shown, is very different.
                  In Wagner and other volunteer units there are fans of their work (as in many army units of course, but not all) and it is they who need to be promoted and involved in training. But unfortunately these are just dreams, we have everything through one place.
                  P.S. The thing about the construction battalion is completely funny, especially if you consider that for 3 decades now all conscripts have been in the construction battalion one way or another - at officers' dachas. If you don't know about this, I conclude that you yourself haven't served in it.
        2. +1
          2 September 2024 12: 58
          Allow me to disagree. I would not single them out at all and would like to remind you that both Afghanistan and the Caucasus were pulled by conscripts. In many ways, they would have given those five hundred "apartment" contract soldiers a run for their money. Again, if we get down to business, I am just returning to my first thesis about the "empty" border. Empty not literally, but in operational terms. The VOPs with conscripts were stretched out like a ribbon, not even everywhere, but in the directions of a probable DRG invasion, and at the same time, they did not even have any operational depth. Such a defense was simply not designed for such full-fledged offensive actions. The maneuverable groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces simply bypassed these VOPs. Some fought until the end of the BC and there were even cases of hand-to-hand combat, but in any case, it is not their fault. They were simply put in such conditions that they fulfilled their duty as best they could. Someone at the cost of their lives.
          From a more global issue, I would like to draw attention to the catastrophe with the Territorial Defense units, which to some extent would have allowed stabilizing the situation along the border of the border territories, but Prigozhin's rebellion put a fat cross on this undertaking. The same Kursk territorial defense, when it was born, took two-week courses in Goryachy Klyuch. But in light of all the previous events, no one will arm irregular units anymore, at least in the near future.
          1. 0
            2 September 2024 13: 32
            I wouldn’t single them out at all and I want to remind you that both Afghanistan and the Caucasus were fought by conscripts.
            It should be added that during the times of Afghanistan and the Caucasus, conscripts were different. They served their conscription for 2 years away from their mothers. And today's conscripts usually serve next to their mothers and regularly eat their mother's pies. A soldier whose mother regularly presses to her flabby breasts does not have time to mature and get stronger. I do not know the details about the VOPs, I judge the events based on media reports. So, at first, our media reported on the invasion of 1000-1500 militants, and now we are talking about five brigades. When an attack is carried out by several brigades, two battalions of conscripts or territorial defense units will not play a decisive role. We must start with the fact that the concentration of several brigades on the border was simply missed. While the new Minister of Defense was cleaning up the old team and creating an image of a smart economist, there was no time for reconnaissance or monitoring the movement of enemy forces.
            1. +2
              2 September 2024 14: 59
              Yes, IMHO they were the same)
              I talked to conscripts two weeks ago near the checkpoint on Chongar. How far they are from their mother. They dig like excavators, they drag out their service!)))
              I bought them a couple of watermelons.
              About what we missed. Well, we missed quite a bit anyway. It's all in our old army traditions. It probably couldn't be any other way. We proceed from what we have.
  28. +16
    31 August 2024 10: 32
    The funniest thing is, if there were elections tomorrow, you know who would win, and support would be off the charts
    1. +10
      31 August 2024 10: 41
      Unfortunately, as a result of propaganda, we have tens of millions of “North Koreans” who madly adore the “leader”, but are unable to explain why.
      1. 0
        1 September 2024 01: 48
        Quote: tatra
        but are unable to explain why.

        They believe that he "raised them from their knees"...
        Paragraph.
        hi
    2. +10
      31 August 2024 11: 04
      So, the elections are on September 8, and guess who will win. I won't be surprised if United Russia wins in Kursk and Belgorod regions with 85 percent.
      1. +5
        31 August 2024 12: 23
        “We, master, were set on fire from four sides, and we were silent even then” / M. E. Saltykov-Shchedrin/
    3. 0
      31 August 2024 21: 56
      The last time 67% of those eligible to vote voted for the bunker. With all the padding and unlimited administrative resources. This does not qualify as "off the charts".
  29. +6
    31 August 2024 10: 53
    How interesting (no) the Chief of General Staff screwed up the invasion, ignoring intelligence reports, and now there is a wave that this is a devastating destruction of the Ukrainians in the cauldron!
    1. -12
      31 August 2024 15: 16
      How interesting (no) the Chief of General Staff screwed up the invasion, ignoring intelligence reports, and
      mmm.. Are you talking about Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army Zhukov?
      Or does that not count?
    2. -3
      31 August 2024 21: 31
      Quote: Yuri77
      How interesting (no) the Chief of General Staff screwed up the invasion, ignoring intelligence reports, and now there is a wave that this is a devastating destruction of the Ukrainians in the cauldron!
      Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side.
  30. +6
    31 August 2024 12: 45
    Kursk abscess


    Haven't too many of these "abscesses" formed, especially at the beginning of the SVO? Acts of good will, regroupings, belated mobilization. They've become completely mangy.

    And many of the participants in this action are still in the ranks and continue to command, sending people to their deaths. It is worth looking at who commanded the troops during the regrouping from the Kharkiv region in the fall of 2022 and was responsible for the defense of the Kursk region now.
  31. +8
    31 August 2024 13: 05
    Empty chatter. The war with Ukraine is developing according to the worst possible scenario for the Russian Federation.
  32. -10
    31 August 2024 13: 43
    Every armchair strategist believes that from his own vantage point he sees further and better than anyone else, hence the heap of angry comments, some of which even smell of cypsotine.
    1. +3
      31 August 2024 14: 48
      And where is every Kremlin strategist? That's where it smells more like CIPSO.
    2. -11
      31 August 2024 15: 41
      Every armchair strategist believes that from his own vantage point he sees further and better than anyone else,
      I agree with you. The Tank of World game has produced a lot of strategists and experts. Many strategists and experts issue expert opinions right from their mom's couch, because they don't have their own couch yet.
  33. +1
    31 August 2024 16: 09
    New York Times
    ‘After Invading Russia, Ukraine’s Next Moves Are Unclear’: US, UK Officially Help Ukrainian Armed Forces with Satellite Imagery, Intelligence on Kursk Oblast. “After invading western Russia, Ukrainian policymakers began talking about creating a buffer zone there. But how far Ukraine might try to push into Russia and how long it plans to stay is unclear, US officials said. Days after the offensive, the United States and Britain provided Ukraine with satellite imagery and other information about the Kursk region — not to help it push deeper into Russia, but to allow its commanders to better track Russian reinforcements that might attack them or cut off a possible retreat back to Ukraine, two officials said. “The US administration appreciates the risk the Ukrainians have taken and is quite impressed with the command, control and coordination they have demonstrated,” said Evelyn Farkas, the former top Pentagon official on Ukraine in the Obama administration.
  34. +1
    31 August 2024 16: 13
    The war is going on and spreading along our borders because the government has not turned off the “green light” to the US/UK. Just like 33 years ago, they are completely safe and untouchable and can do everything we allow them to do.
    Our Nuclear Doctrine does not currently create any threat to them in a proxy war, without the use of strategic nuclear weapons against us.
    Our commitment of 3.01.2022 to the nuclear “five” completely removes the threat of nuclear war from our side for them.
    These are the reasons that drove them when they created mindless military machines out of Ukraine and NATO countries to destroy us, these are the reasons why they do not see any obstacles in front of them now.
    I believe that we will be guaranteed to be destroyed by NATO forces, which are 4,5 times superior, if we do not remove the status of our partners, who are safe and inviolable, from the USA/UK and do not make the nuclear security of their own territories dependent on their retreat from all occupied borders.
  35. +8
    31 August 2024 16: 54
    Again, another explanation.
    The Second World War lasted 2,5 years, WW1 and WWII lasted 4+ years.
    In 1,5 years, will everyone still continue to write explanations?
    And the Medvedevs, from their warm offices, will continue to spout off timeless tales?

    There are plenty of notes on VO about the stormy, hurray-like position that existed at the beginning of the Russo-Japanese War and WW1.
    And then... who will now flaunt the SYMBOL - the grandmother with the red flag?
  36. +4
    31 August 2024 17: 18
    . Where are our UAVs, aviation, artillery?


    What do you mean where? In (damn, the moderator will give me a slap... .)
  37. -2
    31 August 2024 17: 30
    No way. In order to create such a cauldron, you need 100 thousand horsepower and about a thousand units of armored vehicles. The explanation is very simple. While the ring closes, the converging forces will be hit by the Haimars/UAVs/FPVs. That is, there must be more attacking forces than the Ukrainians will destroy in a unit of time. A question for local adherents of cauldrons/semi-cauldrons and whether they have seriously started, do they have losses in the amount of a couple of divisions for the sake of such a cauldron?
  38. +2
    31 August 2024 18: 33
    100 fighters will eventually be sent to the lands of the Kursk region of the Russian Federation to counter a full-scale invasion of this Russian region by Ukrainian troops.
    /////////////////////
    Is this a joke or serious? If a full-scale invasion is planned, then a force of 100 fighters will clearly be too few. Are we gradually starting to get used to the loss of part of the Russian region? And if they go further, can they reach Moscow? What is the "Gerasim and Mu-Mu" company doing there?
  39. +3
    31 August 2024 19: 13
    And I immediately said that we need to encircle and forward to Sumy.
    1. -7
      31 August 2024 21: 27
      And I immediately said that we need to encircle and forward to Sumy.
      You are immediately seen as a master of tactics and strategy. Did you learn on the game Tank of World or on another game? Didn't you fart on your mom's couch while learning strategy?
      1. +5
        31 August 2024 21: 38
        Prove, with arguments, that this option was impossible, and why. And why won't it work now? Constructive arguments are needed, not toys and a sofa. Show on the map the inconsistency of such an attack
        1. -7
          31 August 2024 22: 06
          Prove, with arguments, that this option was impossible, and why.
          What's the point of explaining it to you? You've already decided everything and drawn the arrows beautifully. They sit in the General Staff and calculate every step and calculate reserves and ammunition. And you drew the arrows and are already in the crown. Arguing with strategists like you is like not respecting yourself. You've already outdone all the generals from the General Staff. Your strategy is worthy of a Shnobel. Apply for a Shnobel.
          1. +8
            31 August 2024 22: 11
            Well, how the General Staff sits and calculates, we have seen this more than once, since the times of Kherson, Izyum and Kupyansk. The classic pincers around Izyum and Kupyansk calmly closed for a week, here you go. And what about the General Staff? So, the enemy can conduct encirclement operations like a textbook, but what about our General Staff? What is missing?
            1. -4
              31 August 2024 23: 20
              This means that the enemy can carry out encirclement operations as if by a textbook,
              Name where exactly the enemy carried out the encirclement as per the textbook? Really in Mariupol? Really in Bakhmut? Or maybe in Soledar? And what about Chasov Yar? Or let's rewind the events 10 years ago and remember Ilovaisk, where 300 thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were encircled. And it was after Ilovaisk that the Ukrainian Reich voted with all its might for Minsk 2. Or do you not remember all this? Judging by the globe of Ukraine, this country lost up to 25% of its territory in 2 years, and what kind of pincers and encirclements as per the textbook are there?
              1. +6
                1 September 2024 07: 47
                Yes, there were boilers. And at the beginning of the SVO there were successes.
                And in the autumn of 22, when we left Izyum, Kupyansk, Balakleya, Liman? The configuration of the offensive, those very "arrows", if you look at the map, show the picture of the actions on the encirclement. When the Samara special brigade was surrounded in Balakleya, I kept expecting a counterattack, an unblocking, but nothing like that happened. When the enemy was advancing on Izyum, bypassing it from two sides, I thought, there will be a counterattack on the advancing groups - but no! Nothing like that, they went further and bypassed Izyum, regrouped and went forward again.
                And since then we have only been squeezed out and ground down, which for some reason is happening exactly where the enemy's fortified areas have been built for years. The assault on Artemovsk is like the battles in Stalingrad, for every house. What is happening?
              2. +3
                1 September 2024 08: 07
                And Kupyansk was also abandoned.
          2. +9
            1 September 2024 07: 52
            Your strategy is worthy of an Ig Nobel. Apply for an Ig Nobel.

            Ah, so it was I who launched the enemy into the Kursk region? And the General Staff, of course, calculated everything and foresaw everything. But... was forced... to carry out my erroneous orders? Was it me who drew the arrows so incorrectly? laughing
          3. +3
            1 September 2024 08: 22
            You've already decided everything and drawn the arrows beautifully.

            But uncles-generals draw arrows on maps, and uncles-soldiers then advance according to these arrows, make war. That's what "beautiful arrows on maps" are for. And these arrows may not be straight and not the same. They can be in different directions and of different sizes. Each brigade has its own arrow, at its own moment in time and in its own place. And all this together is united by the general plan of a large strategic offensive.
            The result of which can be the liberation of a large territory. Do you know what a maneuver war and a large strategic offensive are? Do you understand why arrows are drawn on maps? Arrows are a military thought.
            And we are discussing it here, at our level, of course. It is clear that we are not generals or marshals))) But why does this irritate you so much? )) Are you against such military forums and against such discussions in principle? Why? Does this cause any harm to anyone? Or do you want to say that at least people with higher military education and experience as General Staff officers should discuss military issues? And civilians are not allowed? Since they learned from the games? So, in your opinion, even discussing military issues is the exclusive privilege of the military? What do you dislike?
            1. -2
              1 September 2024 11: 29
              Quote from gribanow.c
              Are you against such military forums and against such discussions in principle? Why? Does it cause any harm to anyone? Or do you want to say that military issues should be discussed at least by people with higher military education and experience as General Staff officers?
              It doesn't do any harm, it's just funny when amateurs draw attack arrows on maps. I'm not a general staff officer, just a reserve officer, but I find all this funny. Do you personally have a driver's license?
              1. +1
                1 September 2024 13: 47
                It's funny when amateurs draw attack arrows on maps

                Well, here you are, with the card in your hands, as they say, so you give a professional assessment of why this plan of attack, described in the most general terms as encirclement, is impossible to implement in detail?
                Do you personally have a driver's license?

                I understand what you want to say. Everyone should do their own thing. Yes, I am also a supporter of such a professional approach. But sometimes people drive without a license, some did not receive one, and some were deprived of one. The same is true in military affairs. There have been such examples in history. Take Frunze, for example. He had no military education, but he beat the White generals and took Crimea.
                War and politics are areas that have always been discussed by everyone, and non-professionals, there is even a name for them - spade waistcoats, you can call me that too laughing
                I know that the military has always considered itself a special caste, and treats civilians and "suits" with disdain. But the army does not exist on its own. It is an instrument for protecting the state and society. Therefore, yes, we have the right to at least discuss and know what is happening.
                1. -3
                  1 September 2024 15: 02
                  I understand what you want to say. Everyone should do their own thing. Yes, I am also a supporter of such a professional approach.
                  You still haven't answered about your driver's license. Having a driver's license means, at the very least, that a man doesn't have schizophrenia. Usually, schizophrenics are screened out by the medical commission when they receive a driver's license. Some specialized clinics contain several Napoleons. And these Napoleons are not violent, who throw their fists at the staff, modern Napoleons are very literate people who know battles and fights by heart, these Napoleons write competently and very beautifully draw arrows of future attacks and upcoming battles on maps. What I mean is that schizophrenia is an insufficiently studied disease and I am wary of people who draw arrows on maps. There are many characters on the VO resource who did not serve in the army and do not have a driver's license, but many of these characters can outdo any Napoleon in tactics and strategy.
                  1. +1
                    1 September 2024 16: 08
                    These characters would put any Napoleon to shame when it comes to tactics and strategy.

                    I'm not one of those))
                    And I am not suspicious, I have always said that maps are necessary in military affairs, and anyone interested in military affairs understands this. Well, imagine how to express and formulate what is depicted on it without a map? On the map, these are two arrows, everything is clear, but try to write the same thing in words? How much writing would be necessary and still, without a map, you can’t.
                    A soldier who is afraid of maps and does not understand them is a bad soldier. An officer should always have a map in his tablet, how can he do without it?
                    No, of course, if he is a political officer in a training school, or a quartermaster, he doesn’t need a card))
                  2. +1
                    1 September 2024 16: 21
                    an insufficiently studied disease and I am wary of people who draw arrows on maps

                    What should you be afraid of? Will they bite you through the screen or irradiate you with rays? wassat
                    1. -2
                      1 September 2024 16: 26
                      What should we be afraid of? Will they bite us through the screen or irradiate us with rays?
                      communication with them leaves an imprint
                      1. 0
                        1 September 2024 16: 47
                        communication with them leaves an imprint

                        Just as in war, one can easily go crazy. That is why moral and psychological stability is important for military personnel. Just as power can drive one crazy when the ruler begins to consider himself unique, irreplaceable, given from above and great laughing
                  3. +2
                    1 September 2024 18: 18
                    These Napoleons write competently and draw very beautifully

                    Hmm, here's a characteristic feature of our society - in anyone who doesn't fit into the logic of a dull-witted layman, who doesn't drive a used foreign car bought on credit (for the sake of an imposed consumer stereotype), but at the same time is well versed in military (or other) issues not related to his specialty, and who has a well-structured speech, we see in him... like a schizophrenic? "Somehow different"
                    Well, yes, it is quite understandable. Such a thinking one. so, our society forms, and such are needed laughing
                    1. -1
                      1 September 2024 22: 32
                      who does not fit into the logic of the dull-witted layman, who does not drive a used foreign car
                      It's not just your society, it's any society that understands that they are considered stupid philistines, incomprehensible characters who have achieved nothing in life, and having lived a quarter of their lives, only know how to sit on their mother's couch and play shooters and military strategies on the computer (console) and on this basis consider themselves experts in military matters. I myself have a nephew of this type. He will soon be 30, he did not serve in the army, he has no profession, no family and does not even have a girlfriend. The nephew sits on his mother's couch for days on end and plays military strategies. Of course, the nephew considers himself a major military expert and you can't argue with him. Are you by any chance my nephew?
                      1. +1
                        2 September 2024 06: 33
                        And don't bother studying the questionnaire data. There is only one type of interlocutor on the Internet - "user" (unless it's a dating site of course))) Anonymous, abstract, average - user. Why are you so interested in the personality rather than the content of the comment? That's what the Internet is for with its anonymous forums, so as not to look at the personality, who is what height, weight, gender, age, profession, social status, health, etc., etc. Why all this, when you can concentrate on the content of the opinion that is expressed, and discuss it. Why is it so important to know who is "on the other end of the line"?? Or maybe you will never find out, or maybe it's an old granny, or a teenage prodigy, or several people who go to work in shifts))) to write comments. How will you check? No way. So what's the point of delving into the personality?
                        All of us, one way or another, in our class society, belong to the class of "common people", precisely because we do not belong to the class of "ruling elite". The lot of the common people and the framework of our life for all of us is approximately the same and well known - a mortgage, a used foreign car on credit, if you have a family then most likely a divorce and alimony, ruin your health at work by the age of 40, work for food and a mortgage, leave the house at 6 in the morning, only come home at 7-8, sleep on the weekends and "see" the family, whoever is a little luckier will buy some things and household appliances for the house. That's basically all that is called "achieved something", our ordinary average resident, belonging to the class of "common people". But is it really worth it to achieve this? Playing shooters or otherwise abstracting yourself from our gray reality is not the worst choice, believe me.
                      2. -1
                        2 September 2024 11: 31
                        And don't bother studying the questionnaire data. On the Internet there is only one type of interlocutor - "user"
                        Now is the time when a smart comment can be generated by artificial intelligence, but a smart person will always distinguish a sound thought from computer crap. That is why it is important to know who is on the other side of the dialogue, an old granny or a teenager who considers himself a child prodigy. For this reason, I do not visit anonymous Internet forums where 2-3 people skillfully brainwash hundreds of anonymous idiots who consider themselves child prodigies. Regarding your reasoning about our faceless and gray society. In our "gray society" there is the owner of Telegram Durov, who earned his own money and whose wives and girlfriends, from the sight of whom immodest thoughts arise. And on the other hand, my nephew Seryozha, who at 30 years old sits on his mother's couch, strums online games and serves himself with his right hand.
                      3. 0
                        2 September 2024 11: 54
                        Eh, dear comrade rotfuks, if this is really so, you should be glad that your nephew has survived in such a state! As they say, it was worse for some, who were his age and even younger, and have already died, or received a disability, or an incurable addiction, or ended up in crime and in prison. And you have him alive and well, at home, and that's great, he survived for something, his purpose will become clear later, and it's good that in your family there is such a useful person, for now let him play, sooner or later he will get tired of it, he will get over it.
                        And what is needed to prevent such Seryozhas from appearing here (admins, forgive me for the off-topic), I personally believe that radical socio-economic changes are needed, I formulated my proposals in the blog gribanov56.livejournal.com/13909.html
                        If you, having read this, say that no, none of this is necessary, we have created all the conditions, and we just need to spin, personally, individually, and whoever does not spin like a squirrel in a wheel is to blame - then you are a defender of the existing realities, I will not argue, try, spin, but do not be surprised that up to half of the "young growth" from each of our generations will be "weeded out", these are such Seryozhas, unfortunately.
                      4. -1
                        2 September 2024 13: 11
                        If this is really the case, you should be glad that your nephew has survived in such a state!
                        I am not optimistic about my nephew. My own son is five years older than Seryozha, but my son has two higher educations, a decent job, his own home and family. Compared to my son, my nephew Seryozha is just a pathetic wanker. I can only guess why Seryozha survived. His virtual friends will rip Seryozha off for money for another Internet project, and in the end, Seryozha will take out a loan using his mother's apartment as collateral and end up living in a gateway. You can talk as much as you like about radical socio-economic transformations, but so far no one has repealed the laws of nature under which smart people survive and live well, and Seryozhas live in their virtual world and practice on the computer.
                      5. 0
                        2 September 2024 15: 46
                        But give him a link to my blog, he won't understand it now, but will come back to it later when he is more conscious. And also ask - if he were given an apartment at 23-24, would he start a family then? This is just for him, for them. "The State of the Middle" is for them, and not for you, excuse me, military pensioners and other "rentiers" who have always been devoted defenders of the existing system. "Your brother", i.e. this type of people, I also know well (in absentia, from various discussions). And people like him, too. So, "The State of the Middle" is for them, or rather, for the next and the next generations, half of which will be the same, if you do not do what I am suggesting. I say - a person begins with housing. No housing - no family, hence all the consequences.
                      6. 0
                        2 September 2024 15: 49
                        but so far no one has repealed the laws of nature under which the smart survive and live well

                        And this is the very social Darwinism that I categorically reject, and against which I am, and accordingly, against those who defend this system. It is at them that our "weapons" of socio-political struggle should be "aimed" laughing
                      7. +1
                        2 September 2024 16: 58
                        live in their own virtual world and train on the computer.

                        By the way, it could also be depression, and this is something that a person may not recognize, and those around them, instead of helping, will push them even deeper. Depression, for example, due to unrequited love (then the person will never tell about it themselves), can drive them into a psychological hole for years. Some people go away, some are treated with antidepressants.
                        Try construction, you know, some people do it, they build a private house or a summer house themselves, and their relatives help. Physical work in the fresh air, and in general, construction is something that is as addictive as any shooter :) Let him help a little, as a general worker, maybe he'll get interested in something
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  41. +8
    31 August 2024 20: 24
    Weakness, indecision, secondary nature... the result is Kursk.
    1. -12
      31 August 2024 21: 29
      Weakness, indecision, secondary nature... the result is Kursk.
      a classic said this about you...Everyone thinks of themselves as strategists, seeing the battle from the sidelines.
      1. +2
        1 September 2024 15: 39
        A fool understands that there was no defense in Kursk. There were border guards and conscripts without heavy weapons...and this was 5 km from the border and one road from Sumy!
        It is impossible not to notice a group of 10,000 people+ with equipment at the border - equipment, and especially tanks, leave behind a heavy trail + a lot of supplies. Someone slept through all of this and must answer.
        Although, as I said, perhaps there was an agreement that they would not touch this area, otherwise there is nothing to explain it.
        What to do now? First, understand the reasons for all this, otherwise you’ll knock it out here, and then they’ll come at you again.
        P.S. And it wasn't me who gave you the minuses, minuses are not my style.
  42. BAI
    +2
    31 August 2024 20: 29
    Let the US not let us destroy the bridges across the Dnieper and many other things.

    The answer to the question of why the bridges are intact. What was discussed yesterday
    1. 0
      31 August 2024 23: 28
      Why don't they give it? How so? Does that mean you can't?
  43. +1
    31 August 2024 22: 31
    A very good article with a sober assessment of the situation.
  44. 0
    31 August 2024 23: 26
    And there’s no one to fight with!!! Everything is rotten
    1. -5
      1 September 2024 11: 21
      Quote: Remember
      And there’s no one to fight with!!! Everything is rotten
      Katz offers to surrender?
  45. -1
    1 September 2024 03: 27
    Articolo fatto male, in quanto la conquista del fazzoletto di terra nella regione di Kursk da parte degli ucraini e come una puntura di zanzara. VI prego di non far passare come questo evento in una incapacità dell'esercito russo di difendere il proprio territorio, io penso che una volta che si saranno consolidate le difese ucraine sul territorio di Kursk lo zio Putin potrebbe decidere di lanciare un missile tattico nucleare su quel fazzoletto di terra russo al fine di rinfrescare le menti drogate dei politici occidentali
  46. -10
    1 September 2024 06: 54
    A wonderful example of the work of the CIPSo. Have you guys at VO completely lost your minds?
  47. +1
    1 September 2024 10: 24
    Stalin would have sent the guilty to penal battalions, but we don’t have them.
    Well, why not? There are. They are just called differently. And those guilty of strategic mistakes (and tactical ones too) do not fall into them.
    1. 0
      1 September 2024 23: 54
      Stalin would have sent the guilty to penal battalions, but we don’t have them.

      I haven't heard about penal battalions for generals. We know of one general who suffered - Pavlov, who was shot in 1941. And when our tank army was routed in the Prokhorovka tank battle, no one was punished, although they were going to at first.
  48. 0
    1 September 2024 12: 07
    Quote: private person
    Yesterday the numbers 10000-11000 flashed, 7500 destroyed.

    Up to 2000 nationalists and 3 liters of unfiltered vodka were destroyed in a day.
  49. +1
    1 September 2024 14: 57
    How to turn a Kursk abscess into shameful boiler of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

    Maybe first the cauldron, and then the derogatory epithets? Otherwise, a sense of deja vu arises...
  50. 0
    1 September 2024 21: 16
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    This one doesn't even have the slightest bit of conscience.

    Looks like him...
  51. +1
    2 September 2024 04: 16
    the author of the article and almost all commentators who are outraged by the state of affairs, for some reason do not pay attention to the main problem that determines our current state - capitalism.. in 1991, the West did not simply destroy the USSR, we ourselves voluntarily changed our socio-political system from socialism to capitalism.. what this led to, we all clearly saw in the example of the Ministry of Defense - in just 30 years, this structure has turned into a thoroughly corrupt system, where officials from the army, if they did anything, then collected money and arranged their own well-being.. and this in the Ministry of Defense!!.. and now imagine what is happening in other, civilian ministries and government structures... thieves and degenerates have gathered in power in Russia, and our veche "deceived" president simply could not fail to see this.. now, all that is left for the West, when we have practically exhausted (yes, exhausted, no matter what anyone says) our human and technical resources in the war with Ukraine, is to move the troops to Russia... we simply have nothing to respond with...
    1. 0
      2 September 2024 16: 40
      Regarding “themselves” and “voluntarily” you are mistaken.
      In 1991, the US/UK intelligence services, which had long been "tracking" key (for them) CPSU functionaries, staged a coup in the Moscow organization of the CPSU.
      Under the slogan of "fighting privileges" the previous leadership of the CPSU was removed. The new leadership headed by Yeltsin carried out a consistent dismantling of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, Soviet power and replacement of the system in the country with a capitalist one. The Soviet people, trusting the party and the government, carried out all these instructions, as they always did. During Yeltsin's 10 years the country was open to US actions in its state structures.
      Putin himself admitted that at that time CIA employees were on the payroll of our government agencies.
      During these 10 years, the Americans HAD to create a strong system of power that would be subordinate to them no matter what the change in leadership.
      They wouldn't be themselves if they missed such an opportunity.
  52. +1
    3 September 2024 09: 31
    Not at all. If the head is rotten, neither the arms nor the legs are capable of working on their own. And with the head, well, it's really bad. When enemy troops are driving around the country like they're at home, and you're admiring the marshmallows, it's not a wake-up call, it's an alarm. The unwillingness to pull your head out of the sand has taken on some kind of manic character.
  53. -1
    4 September 2024 14: 34
    "How does the enemy roll across our land?"
    the land on which the enemy rolls is not ours. They will get tired of it and they will leave, so said the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces and, concurrently, the President of the Russian Federation. so, when they get tired of it, they will leave laughing
  54. -1
    4 September 2024 15: 07
    If we lived in the USSR now, all these USSR troops with current intelligence means would have been dismantled at the deployment stage
  55. 0
    5 September 2024 13: 18
    "If we were living in the USSR now, our troops would have surrounded the Ukrainian Armed Forces in a short period of time, striking from the flanks, cutting off all supply routes, and bringing down massive fire on the troops from all means of destruction, including from the air."

    In the times of the USSR, everything that is happening today would not have been taken even for an idiotic joke. Grechko, Moskalenko, Tolubko, Shtemenko, Lelyushenko, Rybalko and hundreds of other military leaders with characteristic surnames would have shot the narrator immediately and without regret.
  56. 0
    5 September 2024 14: 28
    There is a proposal on how to destroy the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk salient. It is necessary to declare mobilization in the United Russia party, age limit 25-55 years. Then form ten motorized rifle brigades from them and throw them into frontal attacks on the Bandrovites' positions. Provision of these brigades at the expense of personal bank savings of United Russia members. Yes, it is possible to attract mistresses (lovers) of United Russia party members as junior medical personnel. The vacant positions of United Russia party members should be staffed with veterans of the SVO.
  57. 0
    5 September 2024 14: 30
    DER WESTEN HIFT DEN UKRA NAZIS UND IST DAMIT SELBST NAZI

    Früher wurde den Kindern in der Ukraine beigebracht, “zu subtrahieren und zu multiplizieren, kleine Kinder nicht zu beleidigen, gute Bücher zu lieben und gut erzogen zu sein”…

    Jetzt werden die Kinder in den Tempel des Wissens der Bandera-Sekte eingeführt, nicht um Wissen zu erwerben, sondern um Zombie-Propaganda zu betreiben.

    Von Kindesbeinen an werden sie mit Hass und Russophobie vollgepumpt, um aus Kindern idiotische Selbstmordattentäter zu machen!!

    Auf dem Bleistift steht “Tod den Russen”, auf dem Rucksack “Bandera-Cocktail” (in Anlehnung an Molotow-Cocktail), auf dem Schulheft ist der Nazi Bandera selbst abgedruckt!!
  58. 0
    5 September 2024 14: 32
    Selenskyj glaubt immer noch an den Sieg!?

    Da wird in den MSM immer auf hohem Niveau gegen RU gewettert, wenn diese militärische Ziele anvisiert!

    Von den Gräueltaten und Bombardierungen der Ukrainer gegen Zivilisten an Märkten usw. kein Wort wie auch von den Massengräbern von Zivilisten im Donbass nicht.

    Die UKR bombardiert in der Mehrheit zivile Ziele im Donbass und dies seit 2014!! ...und der Westen treibt de Kriegshetzerei weiter!!!!
  59. 0
    6 September 2024 07: 33
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces are not afraid of boilers. Since ours still haven't developed a closed connection, it means there's no need to be afraid.
    They don’t remember Stalingrad, but the Rzhev salient...