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The state defense order in aviation: what should it be?

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The state defense order in aviation: what should it be?

Coordination and control of planning and implementation of the state defense order for the development and supply for state needs, primarily the Russian Air Force, modern aviation complexes - one of the main activities of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) under the Government of the Russian Federation.

Ivan Kharchenko, First Deputy Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation, talks about this and other aspects of the activities of the military-industrial complex in the development and supply of aviation equipment.

: "A.S.": Ivan Nikolaevich, please tell us about the general results of the implementation of the state defense order on aircraft in 2012.

I.Kh .: First of all, I would like to note that by decision of the MIC, an Aircraft Building Council has been formed, the main activity of which is the consideration of the problematic issues of the formation and implementation of the state defense order for the creation and production of modern aviation systems. The Council is chaired by Mikhail Kashtan, a member of the Military Industrial Commission, an experienced and authoritative aviation specialist.

It is gratifying to note that the tasks of the state defense order 2012 in the part of supplies for the state needs of aviation equipment have been fulfilled almost in full.

The enterprises of the United Aircraft Building Corporation, JSC produced and delivered 35 aircraft complexes to the Russian Defense Ministry. Among them: Su-34 front-line bombers, Su-35С multifunctional fighters, Su-30СМ two-seat multifunctional fighters.

Last year, the Yak-130 combat training aircraft were handed over to the Air Force of Russia. The development of a promising front-line aviation complex (PAK FA) continued.

The fourth flight model of the PAK FA was transferred to conduct state tests in December 2012. I note that in the near future the first flight of the fifth flight prototype of the PAK FA is expected. An important event of 2012 was the first flight and the beginning of testing a prototype of the Il-76MD-90А military transport aircraft, the production of which was launched at Aviastar SP CJSC (Ulyanovsk).

Russian Helicopters OJSC has supplied 133 helicopters to state customers, including for the Russian Defense Ministry - 118 helicopters for various purposes: combat Mi-28Н and Ka-52.

In the aviation industry in 2012, in parallel with ensuring the supply of serial samples of aviation equipment, was actively engaged in the technical re-equipment and modernization of production facilities of enterprises. For these purposes from the federal budget in 2012 more than 14 billion rubles were allocated, and in 2013 it was planned to finance the technical re-equipment of the aviation industry in the amount of about 16 billion rubles.

The implementation of the measures of the Federal Target Program "Development of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation before 2020 of the year" will allow us to reach a new technological level of production, introduce new advanced technologies in the aircraft industry and, ultimately, improve the quality of aviation technology.

"A.S.": What are the plans for the supply of aircraft for state needs for 2013?

I.Kh .: In 2013, the supply of aviation equipment for state needs will be carried out for the year, mainly within the framework of previously concluded long-term contracts with government customers. This year, the Russian Air Force must replenish the fleet of aircraft not less than 200 aircraft and helicopters.

It should be noted that all the supplied aviation equipment is modern, developed in recent years, or undergone a deep modernization to meet all the requirements of government customers.

At the same time, in order to fulfill the tasks of the Air Force, aviation of other security agencies, not only combat aircraft complexes are necessary. A number of tasks in peacetime and in wartime are also performed with the use of civil aircraft.

In accordance with the instructions of the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin and the Government of the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia, together with the interested federal executive bodies, have drawn up a preliminary consolidated order consolidated order plan for state needs for civilian domestic aircraft.

In accordance with this plan, the total demand of the Ministry of Defense of Russia and other law enforcement agencies for 2012-2018 years in civil aircraft is 104 for various aircraft, including 8 IL-96, 12 Tu-214, 19 Tu-204, 35 SSJ- 100, 30 AN-148.

Currently, various mechanisms are being worked out for the provision of resources for the purchase of civil aircraft in the framework of a consolidated order, including leasing schemes and the use of credit resources.

"A.S.": How are issues being resolved to equip the Armed Forces with modern military transport aircraft?

I.Kh .: The main problem in the implementation of the State Armaments Program in terms of equipping the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with modern aviation complexes continues to be the development and production of military transport aircraft, naval and special aircraft.

Development work is currently underway to build a heavy Il-76MD-90А military transport aircraft, an An-70 shortened take-off and landing military transport aircraft and, together with India, an average military transport aircraft. In addition, a contract has already been signed for the supply of X-NUMX Il-39MD-76A aircraft for the Russian Air Force. The final decision on the prospects for the supply of An-90 aircraft will be made after the completion of the development work.

Government customers, primarily the Ministry of Defense of Russia, have not yet decided on the type of light military transport aircraft. To date, development work on the modernization of the An-124 aircraft has not been opened, and work has not begun on the resumption of its mass production.

The work of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation in 2013 will be mainly focused on solving these issues in the field of aviation.

In order to coordinate the creation and serial production of military transport aircraft by decision of the Military Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation, an interdepartmental working group was formed. Discussion of the problematic issues of the creation of new aviation complexes of military transport aviation, the development of proposals for the formation of the state defense order and assistance to industrial enterprises in its successful implementation is the main content of the work of this interdepartmental working group.

The issue of the development of naval aviation fleet Russia will be considered at a meeting of the military-industrial complex under the Government of the Russian Federation in the near future.

Based on the discussion of this issue at the meeting of the military industrial complex, we plan to create a coordinated program of actions for the state customer and the aviation industry to maintain the airworthiness of the naval aviation fleet, modernize the main types of aviation equipment, and create modern aircraft and helicopter aviation complexes of the patrol aircraft.

"A.S.": Ivan Nikolaevich, whether new approaches are worked out in the interaction of the military-industrial complex and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation when implementing state contracts for the supply of aviation equipment.

I.Kh .: One of the new directions in the activity of the military industrial complex under the Government of the Russian Federation is to ensure the transition to the deployment and execution of government contracts for the entire life cycle of aviation equipment - from its creation to disposal.

Proposals of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation S.К. Shoigu on the support of industrial enterprises of the models of military aviation equipment and weapons created by them throughout their life cycle as a whole was supported by the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation and the military industrial complex.

Practical work is now organized to clarify the regulatory legal framework, determine the procedure for placing and executing government contracts to support the full life cycle of aviation equipment, agreeing on the necessary procedures and methods, including methods for determining the price parameters of these works.

A transfer of aircraft repair plants of the Ministry of Defense of Russia to the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia is being prepared with the organization of their activities as part of large corporations and holdings of the aviation industry.

New opportunities in the organization of work on the formation and implementation of the state defense order opened the Federal Law No. 2012-FZ adopted in December 275 "On the state defense order".

Work on the law "On the State Defense Order" was carried out in close cooperation with the deputies of the State Duma and members of the Federation Council. It was possible to find sufficiently balanced approaches to solving a number of issues that were faced by government customers and contractors, in this case the creation, production, service, repair, modernization and, finally, the disposal of aviation equipment.

We look with confidence to the future of aircraft development in Russia. The state armament program and the state defense order for the development and supply of aircraft and armament will be fully implemented.

"A.S.": Thank you for the detailed interview.

On behalf of the editorial board of AviaSouz magazine, I congratulate you and your colleagues on the 60 anniversary of the creation of the military-industrial complex!
Successes in the development of the military-industrial complex of Russia!

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  1. alex21411
    alex21411 1 March 2013 17: 48
    +13
    But everything is slowly being adjusted, and in increasing order))) in spite of the liberals and pi ... stam laughing friends, for the defense industry drinks
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 1 March 2013 17: 55
      +4
      Want to say harness for a long time? wink
      1. alex21411
        alex21411 1 March 2013 18: 05
        -2
        In no case, in this case, the main thing is not to rush) As well as in any other drinks
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 1 March 2013 18: 15
          +12
          Quote: alex21411

          In no case, in this case, the main thing is not to rush)

          In the development, haste may not be needed. But in the supply of ready-made machines, it is simply necessary. Of course, how much they supply now 4 years ago was a dream. But too much equipment needs to be updated. Yes, and the world is not calm, therefore, the rush is needed. hi
          1. alex21411
            alex21411 1 March 2013 18: 37
            +1
            Well, let’s say how in production we have, first we take one unit of equipment, run it in, if everything is normal, give it the declared characteristics to the full, then we roll it on the beyond, we tested, we buy 2-3 more units, we roll it as well , if the standards, the quality didn’t let us down, then we take much more) here and in the Moscow Region they are far from being fools, although here they are also found fault ...
            1. VAF
              VAF 1 March 2013 20: 53
              +4
              Quote: alex21411
              Well, let’s say as in our production,


              Maybe in production with you that way. honor and praise, but ... in our aviation industry is not at all ..... absolutely!
              1. alex21411
                alex21411 1 March 2013 21: 31
                +3
                Let's just say that we are working partly on the Air Force) So that's all the rules) That's it)
                1. VAF
                  VAF 1 March 2013 22: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: alex21411
                  Let's just say partially working on the Air Force


                  well then good And if you are still voicing what systems or devices you are making, then ... this is so ... for clarity! wink
      2. VAF
        VAF 1 March 2013 20: 52
        +5
        Quote: Nevsky
        Want to say harness for a long time?


        We talk a lot ... and we saw, we saw, we saw wassat
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 1 March 2013 21: 13
          +4
          VAF, how without it? The amount for this should be budgeted, but it should not exceed 10 percent, the remaining 90 - for useful exhaust should be spent.
          1. SSR
            SSR 1 March 2013 21: 29
            -2
            Quote: aksakal
            useful exhaust

            Quote: vaf
            not at all like that.

            Quote: vaf
            , sawing

            Quote: alex21411
            But it’s getting better slowly

            There is a patching HOLE!
            then look at the boom. imha.
        2. queen
          queen 2 March 2013 13: 54
          -2
          Greetings to Sergey. So we have it in any field. Every bureaucrat is offended when the money goes through his department. The whole country is on rollbacks. I wanted to open a store in our car market, I asked the devil from the administration for 1,5 lem. And this is just the beginning ((( ((((
      3. KuigoroZHIK
        KuigoroZHIK 1 March 2013 22: 33
        +1
        I'm sorry that I am. But then came March 1 and the good news came from the United States:
        Democrats and Republicans could not agree on preventing budget sequestration, as a result of which the United States will lose about 750 thousand jobs http://vz.ru/news/2013/3/1/622713.html
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 1 March 2013 17: 55
      +2
      I also think that everything will be fine, with optimism you need to look to the future, otherwise you can’t!
      1. alex21411
        alex21411 1 March 2013 18: 07
        0
        And without it you won’t restore anything) Imagine restoring everything with pissimism? A wild mixture will be) Eyes are afraid, hands are doing. Already encountered a rake, 20 years stamped on them, all the rules will be) drinks
    3. VAF
      VAF 1 March 2013 20: 51
      +3
      Quote: alex21411
      But everything is getting better slowly, and in increasing


      Who told you that it is getting better ???? Barely barely goes .. with a creak ... everything that is supplied has such a .. "heap" of problems. To fix and eliminate them, and not sing .. "victorious realities."
      What are the ICG in December 2012 for the T-50 ???? The second stage of the Civil Code has not ended yet, but this one has already a GSI !!!
      They didn’t ask a question .. why the Su-35S has been testing weapons since 2011 (10 pieces are involved !!!) and only by the end of 2015 .. promise?
      What An-70 .. all .. forget forever!

      Quote: Currently, various mechanisms are being worked out for the provision of resources for the purchase of civil aircraft in the framework of a consolidated order, including leasing schemes and the use of credit resources.

      This is he about 32 Bombardier, 16 Bobiks for Aeroflot ????? And everything else on the Super-Duper ... God forbid, that at least the MS-21 .. not .. "push it"!
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 1 March 2013 21: 19
        0
        I ask the question - why does it take five years only to test weapons under the SU-35S program? It seems that the "tactical missile weapons" have good wunderwales of various ranges, do they fundamentally do not want to approach the SU-35? Why really? It seems that this SU-35S is good for everyone, the thrust-to-weight ratio, in excess of maneuverability, the Irbis radar, but he hates missiles on his own? Or what?
        1. VAF
          VAF 1 March 2013 22: 09
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          Why does five years go only to test weapons under the SU-35S program?


          Sorry, dear, but ..... bully I want to calmly live to the end .....
      2. alex21411
        alex21411 1 March 2013 21: 43
        +5
        And to eliminate, you need to update equipment, test, etc. etc. you can’t release a good example of equipment on equipment from 50-70 years of production, so think about it, personally, dear forum users, without any jokes ... First you need to raise production, and then shout that little, low quality, the disgrace is happening, it is being stolen ... And no one thought? Why is it more expensive here than the Chinese, a mandrel holder for a lens, a night vision device ??? 2 times the price varies ... then shout here that little ...
        1. VAF
          VAF 1 March 2013 22: 13
          +8
          Quote: alex21411
          And to eliminate, you need to update equipment, test, etc. etc. You can’t release a good example of equipment on equipment from 50-70 years of production, so think about it, personally, dear forum users, without any jokes ... First you need to raise production, and then scream that little, low quality, disgrace is going on, is being stolen.


          Here you speak and think golden words for 10 points, and the first koment then ... how to understand? wink +! drinks

          Only first you need to stop plundering, and then ... to raise production, yes ... to trample "little people" from the "warm places" at the feeders, and really appoint ... production workers and aviation specialists, and not ... "about aviation" request
        2. viktorrymar
          viktorrymar 3 March 2013 02: 38
          0
          Defense should be understood from a communal apartment, if you pay 3 bucks a month for an 150-room apartment;
    4. evgenii67
      evgenii67 1 March 2013 22: 38
      +1
      Hello everyone!
      Quote: alex21411
      But everything is getting better slowly, and in increasing
      I think yes! I hope that we have reached the bottom a long time ago and are now starting to come up ... Of course, this is not good, but it’s better than the end of the nineties, it’s clear that it is advisable to equal the USSR indicators, but so far unfortunately ........... .... soldier
  2. Alikovo
    Alikovo 1 March 2013 17: 52
    +2
    The Air Force NEEDS SU-34 SU-35 SU-30 PAKFA MI-28N KA 52 IN LARGE QUANTITY.
    1. Army1
      Army1 1 March 2013 17: 57
      -1
      Alikovo,
      I agree!
    2. alex21411
      alex21411 1 March 2013 19: 19
      0
      Nobody argues with this)
    3. evgenii67
      evgenii67 1 March 2013 22: 57
      +3
      Quote: Alikovo
      The Air Force NEEDS SU-34 SU-35 SU-30 PAKFA MI-28N KA 52 IN LARGE QUANTITY.

      Well, you discovered America hi - this is clear to everyone, you know what it reminded me of, the Soviet appeal: "Give a five-year plan in four years
      1. KuigoroZHIK
        KuigoroZHIK 2 March 2013 01: 28
        +1
        Some kind of faceless rubbish went through and set up cons :(
    4. Tektor
      Tektor 2 March 2013 11: 37
      +2
      Not only...
      A muddy, kind of interview was given by Kharchenko: he did not say anything about PAK DA, MTA, Il-112 and Tu334. And about what he said - and so it is known. Put a minus.
  3. 916-th
    916-th 1 March 2013 17: 55
    +6
    Against a general positive background, the lack of information on MiGs, in particular on MiG-35, and UAVs annoys.
    1. VAF
      VAF 1 March 2013 21: 21
      +3
      Quote: 916
      annoying lack of information on MiGs,


      On the contrary .. information, that is, but there are no Migs for us yet .... And 35 are already solid 3, though one was "repainted" under 29M2 ...
      And so the 35th is (961) 35D (967) .... the rest is everything ... promises ...
      I uploaded the photo on an article about Rafal .. I won’t repeat myself! +! drinks
      1. 916-th
        916-th 1 March 2013 21: 39
        +3
        VAF: I uploaded the photo on an article about Rafal ..

        Be healthy, Serge! drinks The photo was, as always, exclusive! But the MiGs ... will not be enough, even for the front window dressing, IMHO.
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 1 March 2013 17: 58
    +4
    I don't know. Let Ser and Sashka educate (waff and numbered alex). I myself think that each flyer will defend his own "family". But, I think, it is in the "collection" that aviation is effective. Here is defense, and attack, and threat, and reconnaissance. Maybe the old warriors are not in vain praising Ustinov - he is not dwelt on one thing, but developed in a complex
    1. VAF
      VAF 1 March 2013 20: 54
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      praise Ustinov, he did not focus on one, but developed comprehensively


      +++++++++! soldier
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 1 March 2013 21: 46
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        + + + + + + + + +

        thanks Ser
  5. Committee
    Committee 1 March 2013 17: 58
    +1
    The major airline Ural Airlines recently wrote off the last Tu-154. Now there are only Airbasy in it ... They danced. But this is not a pen, not a tape recorder, not even a car - this is an airplane !!! This is a very expensive pleasure. Will our factories stand still? They screwed up the aircraft industry. We need a COMPLETE BAN on the purchase of items abroad that are more expensive than a minicar. Just a ban and that's it. Although these "friends" may not let us on our planes (again they will blame for noise or exhaust). A strong-willed decision of the authorities is needed.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 1 March 2013 21: 31
      +3
      Committee, do not spread information. During the 90s, they killed a bunch of aircraft factories, now there is an upsurge, but the plants - with a gulkin nose, and they are OVERLOADED! And in civilian aircraft manufacturing, including. So no one will stand, all who survived work. The carcasses were written off, the superjet was ridiculous, and the planes are needed here and now, passengers are not waiting. New plants need to be built, and Poghosyan butts with someone for a market that is too big for him. What for?
      Here I would play like this - than buying rotten airbuses around the world, it is better to come to an agreement with the Brazilians - all the same, the planes are urgently needed, then it is better to have new embrayers (this is just the class of "carcasses") in exchange for the complete expulsion of the French from the Brazilian arms market. Isn't it a temporary way out? And a major exit - new plants need to be built, but this is a long song-)))))
      1. VAF
        VAF 1 March 2013 22: 17
        +4
        Quote: aksakal
        but factories - with a gulkin nose,


        The factories are in principle normal, but ... the manufacturer on them and the equipment is left ... that's it, with a gulkin nose!

        Quote: aksakal
        power superjet funny


        Yes, almost all the plants + brigades of these plants work for the Super-duper, and you say ..... wassat

        Quote: aksakal
        then better new embers


        it will not work ... there is a queue for the 4th year planned ... not to stick in ... that's why IFC took the "Bombardiers"!
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 1 March 2013 23: 18
          +2
          So the equipment is bought or am I mistaken? In the sense - only whistles, the line will be built of Germans, Yapes, Koreans, etc., WHOM they canceled! They sell the same planes not even for millions - for billions! Something I don’t really understand, is it difficult to allocate hundreds of limits for the purchase of equipment from lards? So carefully stolen? Not a damn thing to scale!
          According to Embraeram, for BAE systems without a queue, BAE is the holder of the controlling stake in Air Astana, for the third time Brazilian women from the Brazilian carnival come to the Muslim city of Almaty and shock the city with a performance -)))). It can be seen that Embraer has a tradition to celebrate every delivery of each aircraft like this.
  6. Larus
    Larus 1 March 2013 18: 07
    +1
    For me, it’s very simple. There is a need for a certain number of planes, there are terms for which they will be made. Transfer money and wait by the specified date. I have not fulfilled, RESPONSE obligation until landing and confiscation (if stolen) And family to replenish the northern colony of citizens (money is not stolen for charity, but as a family)
  7. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 1 March 2013 18: 25
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    Committee (1) RU Today, 17:58 new
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    The major airline Ural Airlines recently wrote off the last Tu-154. Now there are only Airbasy in it ... They danced. But this is not a pen, not a tape recorder, not even a car - this is an airplane !!! This is a very expensive pleasure. Will our factories stand still? They screwed up the aircraft industry. YES, IT'S CORRECT. BUT ENGINES FOR CIVIL AIRCRAFT IN RUSSIA ARE NON-ECONOMICAL IN FUEL AND WILL NOT PERFORM IN EUROPE IN NOISE LEVEL, IT IS NECESSARY TO START WITH ENGINES, INCLUDING
    1. Committee
      Committee 1 March 2013 20: 21
      +2
      So, is it better to buy Airbases, instead of investing in our aircraft? Meanwhile, Solovyov’s engines didn’t lose much to the Airbass engines, Kuznetsov’s (old) ones, yes, but about the Carcass 204 they are generally very economical.
  8. FID
    FID 1 March 2013 18: 43
    +6
    Zurabov must be removed. A few hours ago I already gave comments on his statements ... An-70 can work from the ground, a good machine. We are now not only gas (you can’t scare gas already), but we are starting to scare the construction of planes ....
    1. avt
      avt 1 March 2013 19: 54
      +1
      Quote: SSI
      Zurabov must be removed. A few hours ago I already gave comments on his statements ... An-70 can work from the ground, a good machine. We are now not only gas (you can’t scare gas already), but we are starting to scare the construction of planes ....

      You are wrong, this is not the kind of person who can talk gag or blur something out of negligence. If he said, in practice, the decision made was voiced. Alas, the AN-70 is a victim of the game, it is unfortunate, because the airplane is almost ready for the series. By the way, they noticed that the article already has a sujet, in 35 copies, there are already 10 places to attach a trip from Aeroflot, I know that you say they have nowhere to plant them, but this is such nonsense compared to the world revolution.
      1. FID
        FID 1 March 2013 20: 41
        +1
        And where to attach the Indonesian (Kartika) super?
    2. Tektor
      Tektor 2 March 2013 15: 37
      0
      "Zurabov must be removed. A few hours ago I already gave comments on his statements ... An-70 can work from the ground, a good machine. We are now not only gas (you can’t scare gas already), but we are starting to scare the construction of aircraft.... "I do not agree: An-70 is the last century, a bucket of bolts and was interesting only at a price of $ 70 million. And when they said" 100 "each, motivating it with the price of Ila476, then Alas. expensive modern systems that will make the price of the An70go, if put there, simply uncompetitive, and without them the An70 is not needed.In addition, the resource of the engines and operating costs of the 70th will definitely be inferior to the Ilu476.
  9. 12061973
    12061973 1 March 2013 18: 56
    0
    UAC and Ilyushin ordered finance for 2,5 billion tanks so that the regional bombers fly by.
    1. FID
      FID 1 March 2013 19: 35
      +2
      Do not confuse medium-haul and regional ones .... In our country, there are so many old airports, where neither scorers nor supers do not land ....
  10. WS
    WS 1 March 2013 18: 59
    0
    Maybe not the topic, but please tell me how many of those present on the site have a Russian car?
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 1 March 2013 20: 07
      +4
      "Maybe not in the subject, but please tell me how many of those present on the site have a Russian car?"
      In the USSR, the epoch of the greatest and world-recognized achievements of Soviet aviation Constructors (MI-26, SU-27, AN-124, etc., for an amateur), the automotive industry developed according to the residual principle, the country did not have enough strength for everything. Following today's Russian Civil Aviation, let’s recall something, loans to Gorbachev and Yeltsin were given just to cut back on aviation development, the first in 1986, the engine building fell, funding for PS programs fell sharply 90, AL-41, and the row, according to the engines of KB, Tumanov, Izotov, Kuznetsov, were closed. The condition for joining the WTO was an agreement on a main aircraft that we would not develop and build them. There are also restrictions on issues of state support for the aircraft industry, here we are inferior, the USA, to China, France. I hope you understand that your question is not the topic. Car aviation comparison is from the field of world perception of a hedgehog in the fog.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 1 March 2013 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: WS
        How many of those present on the site have a Russian car

        I have one. Great car, many envy. GAZ-21 of the second series (with a deer)
        1. VAF
          VAF 1 March 2013 20: 56
          +2
          Quote: Misantrop
          Great car, many envy. GAZ-21 of the second series (with a deer)


          And not from the series that went to Egypt .. all galvanized and slow-moving? We had RP ...... a fairy tale! drinks
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 1 March 2013 21: 04
            +2
            No, she’s Crimean all her life. But then we are the same age. Both are March 1961 winked
            1. VAF
              VAF 1 March 2013 21: 17
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              No, she’s Crimean all her life. But then we are the same age. Both are March 1961


              Didn’t you change anything? Like a carburetor, box, cardan and rear gear? drinks
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 2 March 2013 11: 16
                +3
                Carburetor - native (with a window). Box, cardan, rear axle relatives. The engine too. Is that the cylinder head is milled to increase compression (up to 13,5 on the compression gauge). Well, modern types of lubricants in the chassis. Due to this, the acceleration characteristics and efficiency have changed dramatically, and the route flow rate is less than 8 liters per hundred. But this only revealed one problem that had previously remained "in the shadows" - at 145 km / h the front end began to "float", losing contact with the road. I had to put on the rear axle 235x75x15, and on the front end 215x65x15. The view turned out to be a little awkward, but the conditions of the oncoming flow have changed, so that the road now holds, as if nailed, at any speed. Repeatedly on the radar of the traffic police showed above 170 (only the flow rate increases dramatically). And this despite the fact that the pedal is not yet in the floor.

                But what this machine is intended to be very different from the serial, so it’s interior. There is a desire to make it all out of walnuts. Something like this one. This one is also of my manufacture, only here there are different types of wood, and this machine lives in St. Petersburg
                1. queen
                  queen 2 March 2013 14: 05
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                  Well here you are wrong on the photo laughing for comparison, you need to take the body gelding W116 or W114 redone in the studio. I myself am a mercer)))))) + drinks
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 2 March 2013 14: 14
                    0
                    Quote: regin
                    for comparison you need to take
                    This is not me, this photo was taken by the owner of the car. Mine is only made according to his sketches request drinks
            2. politruk419
              politruk419 2 March 2013 06: 10
              +1
              No, she’s Crimean all her life. But then we are the same age. Both are March 1961
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              Countryman, Crimea is not an indicator. This is a pure exception. In Russia, winter is four months a year (which means slush and salt). In Kamchatka, the climate in general is fatal for our cars. Only cornfields, UAZs and KAMAZs survive from our cars. But best of all, of course, Niva. That was a car!
              By the way, they are still in certain demand among brand lovers. But the Patriots are pushing slowly.
              "Hunters" is complete shit.
              Lada classic and 9/8 in the Far East have long been rarities, mainly only in the countryside or among big fans, and then as an outlet from the family. I went to the garage!
              Although at one time the 8th model was certainly a hit. Especially her door! fellow
    2. SerAll
      SerAll 1 March 2013 21: 45
      +2
      I have an assembly "Kaluga" vw tiguan, and the brand is "trophy", after the Second World War I got it! wink
      But seriously, we were never the first in civilian cars ... but we could argue about the "army" ones .... And about the aviation industry just a shame .... we were not equal in the USSR! especially in the planners!
  11. Nikolko
    Nikolko 1 March 2013 19: 59
    -2
    WS,
    Mmm ... I think no one
    For example, in our family, Dad at Kia sportage (3rd generation)
    And mom on Ford Kuga.
  12. Hedgehog
    Hedgehog 1 March 2013 20: 33
    +3
    Give the UAV, MiG-29K / 35M2 and a new attack aircraft !!!! 111

    WS, my grandfather has "12th". And I still have no rights (15 years). For that I have a high-speed bike -_-.
  13. stranik72
    stranik72 1 March 2013 21: 52
    +2
    In Russia (the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR), an iron rule has existed and has always existed, which for some reason is not reflected in the charters or in the laws of the state — everything in our country and the army is there: experience, strength, and means. But it, this is all, or slightly underdeveloped, or in another place, or the battery has completely sat down. And competent managers appear only when we wash ourselves with a bloody yushka. So with the state defense order today, in fact, not everything is so good, the Sochi -2 option is visible. Tradition however
  14. Odysseus
    Odysseus 1 March 2013 21: 58
    +1
    In my opinion, the State Defense Order should-
    1) Corresponding to the military strategy adopted in the country. Before purchasing weapons, you need to understand why we need them and how much we need.
    2) To be precisely economically calculated, that is, that the amount of money corresponds to the needs of the Air Force and the production capabilities of industry.
    3) There should be strict responsibility for its implementation (criminal liability)
    So far, unfortunately, there is none of this
    a) The principles of equipping the Air Force are not substantiated at all.
    b) The amount of money is considered "from the bulldozer." Either they are few, then they can not master.
    c) There is no responsibility for the implementation; therefore, they steal, and the result is not very good.
  15. stranik72
    stranik72 1 March 2013 22: 41
    +3
    If I were the “CHIEF” in the section of helicopters, the state defense order would be as follows:
    1. Combat helicopter MI-28, plus the allocation of funds for its modernization, gearbox, avionics;
    2. KA-52 combat helicopter for ship (Navy) aviation;
    3. A transport helicopter based on Mi-8AMTS. Plus, the mandatory replacement of the carrier system (designed and partially tested).
    For all these helicopters there should be one type of engine or our VK-2500 PS, or if everything with Ukraine will be type-top then their engine, it’s cheaper to master and its resource indicators are higher, its ACS is simpler.
    4. The allocation of funds for the development of the MI-38 helicopter in the form of requirements of the Ministry of Defense.
    5. Any purchase of MI-35M for the needs of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should be stopped; their production is only for a foreign customer.
    6. Light helicopter for special tasks, based on Ansat, with the mandatory replacement of the engine in Ukrainian, provided it is produced in Russia.
    7. Heavy helicopter MI-26T bringing resource indicators to the level of at least GA and modernization of the entire avionics; resumption of engine production and their modernization, again without Ukraine.
    8. All helicopters are special (interference suppliers, VZPU, etc.) for the Air Force based on MI-8AMTSh, for the Navy based on KA-32.
    9. Restoration of the repair base and maintenance bases (TEH) of the MO helicopters.
    10. Allocation of funds for the helicopter engine building program is in our rubble
    That is, in my philistine opinion, the philosophy of public defense on this topic.
    And note how much, but on MI-26 and APU for other types, absolutely, we are tied to Ukraine.
    Kazan Helicopter Plant for helicopters of the MI-8MTV type should not be used in the state defense order, "given" to it at the mercy of the GA.
  16. taseka
    taseka 2 March 2013 07: 46
    +2
    With aviation technology seems to be getting better! But how with the preparation for these aircraft - helicopters, transporters, etc. - qualified pilots, for not the plane wins the battle, but his crew !!
  17. queen
    queen 2 March 2013 14: 09
    0
    Stas Mikhailov and the whole company should be sent money to work at the factories bypassing bureaucrats, and more to attract young people, and build at an accelerated pace.
  18. sashka
    sashka 2 March 2013 17: 26
    0
    This is not the end .. With the collapse of the vocational school, everything turns into a chimera. It takes a whole generation. to learn how to "read" the drawings .. THANK YOU TWO .... And it's impossible to write. "censorship" "does not give the go-ahead" FUNNY ?? This is not pessimism .. I just know from myself .. I learned ..
  19. Algor73
    Algor73 2 March 2013 19: 42
    0
    Poghosyan's favorite - some "superjets" and military "drying". And where are MiG, Ily, Ana, Tushka? Where is the development of the aviation industry? Everything is one-sided, personal interests prevail over the state. We laugh at the Chinese, what they copy, but we ourselves cannot design and release. The aviation industry is falling. There are factories, but they can no longer produce equipment. And, most importantly, there is money, since imported aircraft are being purchased. These behind-the-scenes games give already.