Military deprivatization: when will defense factories be returned to the state?

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Military deprivatization: when will defense factories be returned to the state?


There is no such term


Imagine the situation: the plant has been producing strategically important products for decades, sells the lion's share of it abroad and transfers the entire margin there. This can be completely accepted if the owner built the plant at his own expense and can formally dispose of the assets as he pleases. But there are very few such examples - mostly capitalists received “factories, newspapers and ships” for privatization, the legality and fairness of which can be debated for a long time.



It would not be an exaggeration to call the events of the early 1990s a complete plunder of the people. The true goal of privatization was never achieved. Instead of the country's most powerful industry and fuel and energy complex passing into the hands of Russian citizens, controlling stakes ended up in the hands of a handful of oligarchs. After the collapse of the Union, the money grabbers turned from worthless individuals into business tycoons in a matter of months.

The oligarchs completely lacked the concept of social responsibility and basic respect for their own country. Hundreds of billions of dollars ended up going abroad to improve the living standards of Western taxpayers.

It’s interesting how the oligarchs themselves explained this. It turns out that they were simply afraid for their property and tried to ensure their financial well-being in the West as quickly as possible. This looked especially funny after February 2022, when the “stable” West showed the price of private property. Accounts are frozen, yachts and palaces are seized. Not for everyone, but still.

They have been trying to fight the oligarchs in Russia since the early 2000s, but they have not been completely eradicated. Only now the rich are not trying to storm power, as the “seven bankers” did in their time, but are simply pumping money out of the country. This state of affairs could not be taken into account even in peacetime, not to mention during the Northern Military District.

Prosecutor General Igor Krasnov stated very eloquently about the current situation:

“There is no deprivatization and does not exist. We return assets illegally lost by the state to the treasury. The people who managed the production did not invest money in production; the funds they received from production were transferred abroad. In particular, they did not produce products that were created there as part of the state defense order. They didn’t work for our country.”

Earlier, Vladimir Putin also spoke quite specifically about the return of part of the privatized property to the state:

“Recently, law enforcement agencies have opened a number of cases to return some assets to state ownership. I would like to emphasize that this is not about revising privatization, we talked about this at the previous meeting, but about cases when the actions or inactions of the owners of enterprises and property complexes cause direct damage to the country’s security and national interests.”


As if afraid of causing someone another nightmare, the authorities diligently avoid the term deprivatization. Obviously, so as not to suggest an even more controversial nationalization. For an ordinary Russian, there is nothing wrong with any of these concepts, especially if the state carries out the necessary procedures wisely. And not how it was implemented in the early 90s.

In the interest of national security


To understand the essence of what is happening in the domestic defense industry, we can recall history Klimovsky Specialized Cartridge Plant.

The plant is located in Podolsk near Moscow and became famous throughout the country in early 2024. The boiler room on the plant's territory gave up the ghost in the midst of the January frosts, and 173 houses in the area were left without heat. When they dug into it, it turned out that nothing had been updated at the strategic enterprise since Soviet times. It's no wonder that KSPZ is named after Yuri Vladimirovich Andropov.

When they dug even deeper, they discovered owners with outstanding criminal records and those on the federal wanted list. And the manager of the cartridge factory, Marina Sakharova, generally lives permanently in Germany. Thank you for not being on Khreshchatyk in Kyiv.

The previous owners of the enterprise regularly got into criminal stories. They stole hundreds of millions, stole shares, and once the director of the plant disappeared without a trace along with a bunch of documents.

The return to state control was initiated only in 2024, two years after the start of the special operation.

How many of these “cartridge factories” are run by mediocrities and criminals?

At such enterprises, it is enough simply not to update equipment, which will ultimately lead to a decrease in the country’s defense capability. Tactics of a thousand injections, only injections are given within the country by their own citizens.

Last year, the Prosecutor General's Office returned 1 trillion rubles worth of defense assets to Russia. As Prosecutor General Igor Krasnov mentioned, some owners financed the Armed Forces of Ukraine with their income. Such is the cycle of state defense orders.

It is possible that the previous owners were not only negligent about the country’s strategic resources, but also deliberately destroyed the military-industrial complex as part of shadow contracts with Western intelligence services.

Optimism is inspired by the return to the state of not only enterprises directly involved in defense orders, but also subcontractors. For example, metallurgical enterprises of the Urals that supply products to military-industrial complex plants. Thus, the court of the Sverdlovsk region satisfied the claim of the prosecutor's office and returned the plants of the Chelyabinsk Electrometallurgical Plant to state ownership. It was possible to prove that the current owners received the enterprise illegally 30 years ago.

The electrometallurgical enterprises of Chelyabinsk are not directly related to the military-industrial complex, but they supply products to factories that, after their processing, work with the structures of the defense complex. Pull out this link and they will stand up tank factories in the Urals and Siberia. And not only them.


To be fair, not all military-industrial complex enterprises should be immediately nationalized or, if you like, deprivatized. Honest business has not been canceled.

But now you can't skin the defense order alive. You can't fail to fulfill contracts for deliveries to the front on time. We are living in wartime, gentlemen capitalists. And if you want to continue owning your enterprises, then adapt your management and reduce your appetites. Of course, cut all the umbilical cords connecting you with Western countries and other unfriendly agents. Victory will come, and then you can live fat on the superprofits.

The same applies to enterprises engaged in industries that are strategic for the country. For example, pharmaceutical and mining plants.

Currently, there is no accurate data on foreign management in Russian strategic industry. Secret data, and this is understandable. But ten years ago, the Accounts Chamber identified 47 defense companies in which every tenth share belonged to foreign owners. In 22 military-industrial complex enterprises, blocking stakes were in the hands of foreigners. A dozen of these factories belonged to aviation industry. Something has certainly changed in ten years, and we can only hope for the better.

One trillion rubles in the assets of the defense complex is, of course, a lot. But there is a feeling that it is not enough. The situation had the right effect on a certain part of the owners, and they took the right side. We realized, so to speak, our mistakes.

But how many other capitalists are there with an animal grin and a belief in their own impunity?

A lot. And, unfortunately, they still have defense industry enterprises in their hands. Maybe there is no such term in modern Russia as deprivatization, but it should have been invented long ago.
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  1. +3
    29 August 2024 04: 55
    But ten years ago, the Accounts Chamber identified 47 defense companies in which every tenth share belonged to foreign owners. In 22 military-industrial complex enterprises blocking packages were in the hands of foreigners.
    belay Nationalization! request
    1. +28
      29 August 2024 06: 48
      Would you like me to tell you how the so-called "deprivatization" actually happens? The example, of course, will not be from the military-industrial complex, but from the chemical industry, although this changes little since the beneficiary is ultimately not the state.

      In one of the remote areas of the region we have a city-forming or, more precisely, even a village-forming enterprise - OJSC "Kuchuksulfat", engaged in the production of sodium sulfate from local raw materials, which is widely used in the production of household chemicals. In the "holy" 90s, as usual, the plant went into private hands, however, the owner was not a Moscow fat cat or some other foreign Varangian, but the management of the enterprise itself, which headed the plant back in Soviet times and lived here in the village. As a result, the plant not only survived the 90s and XNUMXs, but also made a stable profit. Of course, such "lawlessness" in the form of imposed production, which managed not only to preserve capacities, jobs and salaries, but also continued to pull "non-core assets" in the form of social organizations (schools, kindergartens, cultural centers, sanatoriums and children's health camps) while all others were throwing them off the balance sheet, caused a lot of envy and a desire to "join the process" among the newly formed class of capitalists.

      For a time, the company's management managed to suppress raider attacks, but this could not continue indefinitely, especially since the Soviet mentality of the old managers began to lag significantly behind their more "advanced" and pushy colleagues. While the raspberry jackets were replaced by strict suits of European fashion designers, and the former profiteers institutionalized in government offices, having acquired the IDs of deputies of various levels, the patronage of the authorities and a pool of fed media, the management of Kuchuksulfat continued to work in the old way, apparently hoping that if they did not show off too much, they would not be noticed. And this in a subsidized and generally depressed agricultural region, where any industrial facility is a priori in plain sight. I believe that the futility of such hopes is obvious to everyone. In general, the limit of ownership was only a matter of time. However, I repeat, for a time the enterprise managed to successfully resist attempts at bankruptcy by financial structures from which the plant took money for investment projects.

      And speaking of investment projects, I am speaking of really big investments in production and infrastructure of the settlement. So the old boiler house, which previously heated the enterprise and the settlement, was completely replaced with a new one and not just replaced, but received the most modern cleaning equipment, which is not even at the thermal power plant of the regional center - the city of Barnaul, the school got a renovated swimming pool, and the community center - a cinema. And all this in a settlement where only a little more than 5 thousand people live! Of course, there were still problems. So the dormitory for shift workers could no longer cope with the load and required major repairs, people were forced to huddle in the 6th in rooms designed for 4, but for those workers who lived directly in the settlement, a lot of good was really done, especially since the level of salaries allowed even newcomers to turn a blind eye to temporary inconveniences.

      The last attempt to bankrupt the enterprise took place during Covid, when the enterprise temporarily suspended its activities, and in addition to the previously assumed social obligations, it added the provision of the district hospital with everything necessary. Nevertheless, the management strained itself and found funds to close the existing credit obligations. It was then that the initiators of the seizure of the enterprise apparently decided to go the way of deprivatization. More precisely, a vindication claim was filed - a claim by the owner to reclaim property from someone else's illegal possession. The basis was allegedly the violations found during the last prosecutor's inspection in the privatization process in the 90s, however, documents signed by the former prosecutor of the region, who was at one time responsible for the legality of the approved privatization process, indicating that the prosecutor's office at that time had no claims against the new owners, for some reason were not attached to the case materials by the court.

      In the end, the plant did go to the state, although it did not stay in its hands for long. The "effective" manager appointed by Rostec was involved in a scandal involving the purchase of a Toyota Highlander for 9 million rubles, after which the state again put the plant up for auction. The price was 10,36 billion rubles, with the average annual revenue of the enterprise being 5,6 billion rubles. The new owner of the plant was JSC Roskhim. Thus, the second privatization of the enterprise took place, but this time to the right people. Here is everything you need to know about the so-called "deprivatization" in Russia.
      1. +7
        29 August 2024 07: 55
        Quote: Dante
        Thus, the second privatization of the enterprise took place, but this time by the people who were needed for it. Here is everything you need to know about the so-called "deprivatization" in Russia.

        In a bourgeois state it cannot be otherwise.
        "There's a stake in the yard, a bast is hanging on the stake, start over" (proverb)
        Let's start from the beginning....
        Question: "Which class holds power in the Russian Federation?"
        Answer: "Capitalist"
        No more questions. wink
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      3. 0
        31 August 2024 08: 44
        The state is sawing off the branch it sits on! How real is that!
  2. +16
    29 August 2024 05: 19
    And who did this!!!???
    Offhand, quotes from the Internet.
    "In particular, in 2004 it is planned to privatize 25,5 percent of the shares of Koltsovo Airport JSC (Ekaterinburg), 38 percent of the shares of Murmansk Airport JSC, 51 percent of the shares of Abakan Airport JSC, 51 percent of the Baltic Shipyard JSC Yantar" (Kaliningrad), 20 percent - Amur Shipyard JSC, 20,96 percent - Severnaya Verf Shipyard JSC (St. Petersburg), 25,5 percent - North-Western Shipping Company JSC (St. Petersburg), 11 percent - Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant JSC, 25 percent plus 1 share - Tuapse Sea Trade Port JSC." - 2004.
    "D. Medvedev: Privatization is the key to the economic development of Russia" - 2012.
    "Medvedev: Privatization of state property will be completed" - 2012.
    “Putin extended the period for the privatization of Roscosmos enterprises until 2026” - 2020.
  3. -2
    29 August 2024 05: 36
    Instead of the country's most powerful industry and fuel and energy complex passing into the hands of Russian citizens...

    On account of collective ownership and collective management
    old joke:
    Is it possible to rape a woman in the central square?
    - No
    - why
    - people will be tormented with advice
    1. +2
      29 August 2024 07: 12
      You remembered an anti-Soviet joke from the perestroika era.. However, all these JSC, CJSC, PJSC with their boards of directors are normal? As long as it is not people's power, is that how it turns out?
      1. -4
        29 August 2024 07: 17
        Just not the people's power, that's how it turns out?

        The most striking and convincing example of elected people's power in completely non-Soviet times is the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
        1. +2
          29 August 2024 07: 26
          Well, power is the one who rules, and the Duma only speaks. Imitation of the people's will. The so-called democracy.
          1. -4
            29 August 2024 07: 29
            You remembered an anti-Soviet joke from the perestroika era.. However, all these JSC, CJSC, PJSC with their boards of directors are normal? As long as it is not people's power, is that how it turns out?

            Well, power is the one who rules, and the Duma only speaks. Imitation of the people's will. The so-called democracy.

            Dear Sir, I somehow lost the purpose of our discussion. drinks
        2. +1
          29 August 2024 07: 33
          The most striking and convincing example of elected people's power in completely non-Soviet times is the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

          For example, I am against equal voting rights for everyone. It turns out that a recent schoolchild has the same vote as a distinguished person who has worked all his life, already has his own opinion, who is hard to deceive with promises like a kid who dreams of an ocean yacht in his dreams of becoming rich. A point system is needed taking into account the benefit brought to society and the like. And here an alcoholic and a doctor of science receive the same ballot in elections.
          1. +4
            29 August 2024 07: 45
            For example, I am against equal voting rights for everyone. It turns out that a recent schoolchild has the same vote as an honored person who has worked all his life and already has his own opinion.

            Something very similar to the Electoral College in the United States...
            1. -1
              29 August 2024 07: 50
              Something very similar to the Electoral College in the United States...

              It seems, and I think, that this is a more perfect system compared to ours, where they lure people to the elections with a buffet.
              1. +3
                29 August 2024 11: 01
                It seems, and I think, that this is a more perfect system compared to ours, where they lure people to the elections with a buffet.

                Yes, it seems so! In your opinion, it turns out that a system where the electors are chosen by the dead, and sometimes by the living, but several times, is more perfect than our "buffet". Where the electors, in theory, should vote as the residents of the state voted, but change their minds at the last moment. Where the number of electors does not depend on the number of people living in the state. And also, sometimes, it is necessary to recount the votes of the electors, for several weeks, to understand how they voted.
                No, don't think that I'm delighted with our "buffet". I know how our electoral system works. About ballot stuffing, dead souls and about 146%.
                It’s just that the American electoral system is more archaic than ours, but in essence it is the same “bourgeois democracy” designed to legitimize what has already been decided.
                1. -1
                  29 August 2024 11: 05
                  It's just that the American electoral system is more archaic.

                  I propose a more advanced scoring system. See my comment above.
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2024 08: 38
                    Then it's like Heinlein in Starship Troopers: served? - you vote! no? - you're free!
          2. +3
            29 August 2024 14: 22
            You have a half-hearted understanding of democracy. You can hang any coefficients you want, claim the need for an IQ test before elections, but if there are two candidates - a crook and a thief - then even if only Nobel laureates will choose, based on the results, either the crook or the thief will get the position. The thesis that democracy is not only the opportunity to choose someone, but also to become the one who is chosen has even disappeared from our public consciousness.
            1. -1
              29 August 2024 14: 24
              but if there are two candidates - a crook and a thief - then even if only Nobel laureates choose, as a result, either the crook or the thief will get the position.

              And collecting signatures? Now you can collect the required number of signatures for a glass of vodka with a cucumber.
              1. +2
                29 August 2024 14: 27
                Without advertising budgets and lobbying, you can wipe your ass with signatures. My school principal decided to run for the city council in 2002, they called her and recommended that she withdraw her candidacy to avoid. In the city, all the vacant lots began to be built up, everything was divided up.
                1. -2
                  29 August 2024 14: 30
                  So you think that a alcoholic parasite and a doctor of science should have equal rights in elections?
                  1. +2
                    29 August 2024 15: 33
                    I know one doctor of sciences who sits in Moscow, reads Ukrainian blogs and says that Russian is a dialect of Tatar. What's more, I know one academician who reproduces the speeches of Albats, Dud and other liberals about "this" country. I have been in Russian science since 2004 and have seen so much from the "flower of the nation". By the way, it was around then that I met the current deputy Mazhuga, who, although he knows science, has an extremely dubious reputation, on par with the deputies of the former Minister of Defense.
                    And half of our commentators here are alcoholics and parasites, it feels like laughing
                    So another question - who needs more rights - alcoholics or these doctors of science
                    1. 0
                      29 August 2024 16: 30
                      Quote from alexoff
                      I know one doctor of science who sits in Moscow, reads Ukrainian blogs and says that Russian is a dialect of Tatar.

                      You should also remember the HSE professors... laughing
                      1. +1
                        29 August 2024 18: 26
                        Yes, this is the case in every first university. Then all sorts of war correspondents write - why is patriotic education being screwed up at Moscow State University? It can't be that Sadovnichy, who became rector in 1992, is a berry of the same field? He is a real academician! True, no one knows about his personal scientific achievements, and the fact that the number of academicians is growing much faster than the number of scientific staff is falling is a coincidence request
                        But scientists like Berezovsky and Nemtsov are an exception and there is no need to pay attention to them.
                      2. 0
                        30 August 2024 00: 36
                        Mister Kropachev has still been forgotten (SPbSU)...
                        He pulled off such "crusts" that people were amazed... And with age it got even worse... It's even embarrassing to reproduce it here, the sycophancy is so disgusting... and not even in relation to the big bosses, but to their servants...
                      3. +1
                        30 August 2024 02: 26
                        Why waste time on trifles, we had a certain Sakharov. In our top scientific and educational establishments, just like in the top government, while in office, there is either a jaded, inept patriotism, or they keep quiet. But in business and in conversations among their own, there is continuous genuflection before large foreign capital, and the people are not of the same system. Understanding who is not a xenopatriot there is another task, you can't figure it out without telepaths. The director of one Russian institute had someone in his laboratory curtaining the window with an American flag for several years, where the stripes are not white and red, but in the colors of the LGBT. Of course, he knew that one of the employees was itching. A few months after the start of the SVO, they removed it. Perhaps the owner of the flag fled abroad. By the way, there are a lot of such people and more, and purely for ideological reasons, and not because of money.
                      4. 0
                        30 August 2024 10: 48
                        And all this under the lulling speeches of the president - everything is fine with us, let them think and do what they want, just don’t break the law, freedom of speech must be ensured, and we are not for censorship...
                        And yet, he never condemned the deliberate damage that these “free people” cause in leadership positions in government, institutions and enterprises financed from the budget.

                        I am for freedom of speech, within the limits of normal law. But such freedom is exclusively at one's own expense.
                        For taxpayers' money - only what the country needs. Otherwise - go to hell.
                        Well, yes, many people say and demand this, but the authorities somehow don’t listen... Maybe they don’t want to? Or it’s not profitable for them?
      2. 0
        29 August 2024 18: 30
        It's strange! For some reason in the USA, France, GERMANY and elsewhere... almost all military-industrial complex enterprises are PRIVATE. Many even have foreign shareholders and nothing, everything is in order.
  4. +4
    29 August 2024 05: 40
    And what about our energy? When you look at who owns it, you feel sick.
    1. 0
      29 August 2024 14: 31
      And what about our energy? When you look at who owns it, you feel sick.

      Thanks to Chubais, he liquidated the unified energy system and now Sayano-Shushenskaya does not pay a penny to the local budget
      1. 0
        29 August 2024 18: 07
        Thanks to Chubais, he liquidated the unified energy system

        So much so that the same Sayano-Shushenskaya, during the daily load reduction, could not supply the European part of the country due to the desynchronization of the generators.
  5. +4
    29 August 2024 05: 44
    Oh, and who did all this? Prosecutor Krasnov is returning property... funny. He should punish for crimes, and not engage in "deprivatization". Chubais was released, and it was he who embodied the principle of "Take everything and divide it up...", public property was turned into a commodity.
  6. +3
    29 August 2024 05: 49
    The main thing that let us down was the colossal gap between the rhetoric of the reformers and their real actions ... And, it seems to me, the Russian leadership has surpassed the most fantastic ideas of the Marxists about capitalism: they considered that the business of the state is to serve a narrow circle of capitalists, pumping into their pockets as more money as soon as possible. This is not shock therapy. This is a malicious, premeditated, well-thought-out action, which has as its goal a large-scale redistribution of wealth in the interests of a narrow circle of people.[

    American economist Jeffrey Sachs, one of the main reformers under Yeltsin...repented in 1998.
  7. +1
    29 August 2024 05: 53
    Military deprivatization: when will defense factories be returned to the state?

    Based on the fact that:
    In Russia, the largest redistribution of property since the privatization of the 1990s is in full swing. However, unlike the events of 30 years ago, the state does not squander state property (the share of assets owned by the state does not exceed 18%). The government uses nationalization mechanisms to seize enterprises from the “wrong” oligarchs in favor of those who have proven their devotion to the ideals of sovereign democracy and moderate conservatism

    The process should take place more intensively, and the catalyst for it should be the implementation of the SVO, or more precisely, those stones that the Russian military-industrial complex has stumbled upon for two and a half years.
    In my opinion, in the defense industry there should not be any “OJSC” or “LLC” formed on the basis of enterprises of the Soviet period, especially with the participation of unknown partners and shareholders.
    In addition, it is time to figure out whose filthy hand made this privatization process possible.
  8. +3
    29 August 2024 06: 30
    My experience. Privatization - a 400 meter queue for this Privatization check, minus 20 outside. Complete lack of understanding of what to do with it.
    1. 0
      29 August 2024 07: 49
      Complete lack of understanding of what to do with it

      How is this a complete misunderstanding? Chubais promised everyone a privatization check equivalent to 200 rubles or the cost of a car Volga...
      1. 0
        29 August 2024 08: 39
        I acted stupidly, and as the years passed I came to understand - I invested my privatization check in my enterprise (and not just one check), when I retired I received a sum equal to $10, but I should have gone to Sberbank. I still regret it.
      2. +1
        29 August 2024 18: 57
        The Volga cost 9.500 rubles, I think, but not 200.000...
        1. +2
          30 August 2024 07: 59
          The Volga cost 9.500 rubles, I think, but not 200.000.

          That's how much it cost in Soviet times. By the time privatization vouchers were issued, it already cost 200 rubles...
  9. -2
    29 August 2024 06: 34
    Well, we experimented.

    "I hope you have no doubt, Selma, that the Experiment is precisely an experiment - not excrement, not an exponent, not a permanent, but precisely an Experiment?"
  10. +1
    29 August 2024 07: 00
    Shame on you!
    They sold everything, the bastards, and no one was held accountable for it.
    Why was Chubais released from the country?
    1. +3
      29 August 2024 07: 14
      God bless him, Chubais. His work lives on. In my small homeland, they privatized and destroyed it after 2000.
    2. +4
      29 August 2024 07: 50
      Why was Chubais released from the country?

      Because all his accomplices are still in the Kremlin...
  11. +4
    29 August 2024 07: 07
    All this is great, but it does not prevent them from sawing and destroying production facilities even during the SVO. We go bankrupt, sell, tear out the wiring, demolish, build a residential complex or a shopping center on the site. And the smaller the city, the fewer people know about the local destroyed enterprises, but unfortunately they exist...
  12. -1
    29 August 2024 08: 01
    It has been proven that our state cannot be an effective owner and even, it seems, an effective manager.

    The history of the last century shows that private enterprises working on military orders work no less effectively (in fact, more effectively) than state ones. In particular, enterprises in Germany, Britain and the USA worked very effectively and produced high-quality weapons in huge quantities during World War II.

    The quality of industrial management, not the form of ownership, is decisive.

    Nationalization would now result in sawing up everything that was left to the size of wood dust. The correctional institutions would perhaps find a large number of new tenants, but even what was there would be destroyed.

    During privatization, the most cunning received advantages, the rest were left with nothing. These others require revision in the hope that this time they will not screw up. Vain hopes.

    If these arguments seem insufficient, there is another trump card - the President has said many times that the results of privatization will not be revised.

    So there is no point in moaning, Moscow does not believe in tears.
    1. +1
      29 August 2024 08: 36
      Quote: S.Z.
      During privatization, the most cunning received advantages, the rest were left with nothing. These others require revision in the hope that this time they will not screw up. Vain hopes.

      Exactly what you described and cited here in your detailed comment Dante (Kirill).
      As for "vain hopes", let's see how property will once again be "de-privatized" to please those who will come to power in the Russian Federation by "democratic" means lol
      Do you think it was just for nothing that the Yeltsin family chose our current "Guarantor" as the successor? wink
  13. 0
    29 August 2024 08: 08
    Important topics. You can touch on them, discuss them, but with the understanding that there are no mechanisms to influence these social processes. And to "let off steam" - please, the opportunity is provided.
  14. +2
    29 August 2024 08: 13
    To be fair, not all military-industrial complex enterprises should be immediately nationalized or, if you like, deprivatized.

    Because these are the right enterprises!
    It is interesting that there are cases against owners who managed to preserve enterprises in the 90s and early 2000s, but there are no cases against those who ruined enterprises in those same years without any privatization, and there are a huge number of them.
    And what these people saved, now take it and divide it up among those who need it :((
    1. +1
      30 August 2024 00: 44
      You don't seriously think that those holding the strings will conduct an investigation against themselves?
      Optimism is optimism, but it’s not worth it to reach the point of childishness...
      It has been confirmed many times - any investigation of criminal privatization brings to light the powers that be. And to be on the safe side - the case is technically hushed up...
      There is a compelling reason for this - the expiration of the statute of limitations.
      And hello to the parents, as they used to say....
  15. 0
    29 August 2024 08: 26
    Quote: Luminman
    How is this a complete misunderstanding? Chubais promised everyone a privatization check equivalent to 200 rubles or the cost of a Volga car.
    "Extremely melancholic" 2 Volgas. TWO. sad. and what happened?
  16. +5
    29 August 2024 09: 11
    so that the country's most powerful industry and fuel and energy complex would pass into the hands of Russian citizens, with controlling stakes ending up in the hands of a handful of oligarchs.
    Excuse me, but did a bunch of oligarchs fly in from Mars? This bunch, oddly enough, turned out to be citizens of Russia, too, they received their accounts and real estate abroad a little later. And this bunch of Russian citizens continues to rob the rest of the population of the Russian Federation. And imagine, they are helped not by foreign agents, but by Russian citizens who pass laws in favor of a bunch of oligarchs, and some, also citizens of the Russian Federation, we will not say who, a fairly well-known person in 87% circles signs them. Maybe they are all connected? Huh? "Chained together, bound by one chain, connected by one goal" (c)?
  17. +5
    29 August 2024 09: 17
    Do the guys know that during the SVO, the assets of the USC were transferred to VTB?
    In particular, at the division of the USC Rubin, which is in St. Petersburg and the very one that designs and builds submarines, the bankers have not made any investments, but they intend to take 50% of the enterprise's profits.
    1. 0
      29 August 2024 21: 13
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      Do the guys know that during the SVO, the assets of the USC were transferred to VTB?

      It would be more correct to say, the remaining assets. VTB is our drain bank, where hopeless enterprises are dumped. The primitive business plan of USC went down the drain after the introduction of sanctions.
  18. 0
    29 August 2024 09: 34
    Natural selection at the level of nations is "the miller who grinds slowly but surely."

    And it grinds into soil for other nations those who, over the course of a century and a half, have tried all forms of government until they reached the power of thieves.
  19. +1
    29 August 2024 09: 39
    But now you can't skin the defense order alive. You can't fail to fulfill contracts for deliveries to the front on time. We are living in wartime, gentlemen capitalists. And if you want to continue owning your enterprises, then adapt your management and reduce your appetites. Of course, cut all the umbilical cords connecting you with Western countries and other unfriendly agents. Victory will come, and then you can live fat on the superprofits.

    Live it up, live it up - until the next war. May you burst, you financiers - bourgeois!
  20. +1
    29 August 2024 11: 06
    Quote: Dante
    Here's everything you need to know about the so-called "deprivatization" in Russia.

    Good example.
    And let's also remember Yandex, brazenly seized from its owner-creator. Was it also illegally privatized?
    And KSPZ produced all sorts of crap, like traumatic cartridges and small-caliber ammunition. Where is the defense order there? No one was interested in it. Until Orsis moved onto its territory, having been kicked out of the areas of a restricted enterprise in Moscow, which had been torn apart for the sake of residential development.
    By the way, Orsis is a completely private manufacturer of REALLY high-precision rifles, which is not allowed within a cannon shot of a state defense order.
    This is what harsh Russian deprivatization is like.
    1. +1
      30 August 2024 00: 47
      Lobaev and his rifles also somehow pass by large orders.
      He has told the story about the offers to "go under protection" more than once...
  21. +3
    29 August 2024 12: 22
    Those who privatized the military-industrial complex enterprises, strategic industries and natural resources, who planned, who signed the papers - are obvious enemies of our country and people, they understood everything perfectly well and knew why and for what purpose, for whose interests and for what power they committed this crime. Not far from direct sabotage are those who delay the nationalization of the entire complex of defense potential, its financial and banking component in conditions when the country is waging a war for its survival.
  22. 0
    29 August 2024 12: 41
    When they talk about nationalization, privatization, deprivatization, revision of the results of the said procedures with the aim of restoring justice, I immediately understand that they will take away and divide differently.
  23. +3
    29 August 2024 13: 18
    We need to call a spade a spade. So, privatization by Chubais in the 90s was essentially - THIEVES. As most people understand it!
    It is not necessary to prove its legality. This legality did not exist, since there were no correct laws!
    And even those that existed at that time were not observed, but were circumvented or brazenly violated.
    Therefore, we must act in the opposite way! We must have the current owners prove the legality of their property! Otherwise - nationalization/confiscation and liability under the Criminal Code!
  24. 0
    29 August 2024 17: 46
    Is it really an example of the cartridge and shell "famine" in Russia in 1915-1916, when the Russian Army was forced to retreat from Ukraine, and the gentlemen "oligarchs" charged triple the price for shells for three-inch guns and cartridges for rifles. Then they will demand machine guns to shoot demonstrators, how all this ended, everyone knows.
  25. 0
    3 September 2024 13: 43
    Quote: Amateur
    The most striking and convincing example of elected people's power in completely non-Soviet times is the State Duma of the Russian Federation.


    After the well-known events of 1993, Parliament is not a power, but only a useful tool in the hands of real power.
  26. 0
    3 September 2024 13: 45
    Quote: alexandr_vd
    We need to call a spade a spade. So, privatization by Chubais in the 90s was essentially - THIEVES'.


    "Private property is theft." Karl Marx.
    Our "reformers" knew the basics of Marxism very well.
    You can call a spade a spade as much as you like, but it practically doesn’t change anything.
  27. 0
    3 September 2024 13: 47
    Quote: S.Z.
    When they talk about nationalization, privatization, deprivatization, revision of the results of the said procedures with the aim of restoring justice, I immediately understand that they will take away and divide differently.


    They will take away, but they will hardly divide. In the end, we will have only one real owner left - the state. However, the state is also property in specific hands.
  28. 0
    3 September 2024 13: 51
    Quote: KSVK
    Let's also remember Yandex, which was brazenly taken away from its owner and creator.


    Yandex, in fact, was not a Russian company. And what do we care about foreign bourgeois?
    Tell the owner of "Telegram" about the "sacred right of private property". This is who is really being brazenly squeezed out of his company, even the French president was not ashamed to get his hands dirty in this attack.
  29. 0
    11 October 2024 10: 04
    Many enterprises that previously worked to ensure the country's defense capability have been looted, equipment and machines from the workshops have long been removed and handed over for scrap metal. The owners, who were once party nomenclature that found themselves at the trough, rent out real estate, live with their brood mainly abroad (France, Germany, the USA, Spain, etc.). The facilities are managed by hired managers, while pretending that they have production (maybe there are some benefits for this?).
    The workshops are either warehouses of commercial enterprises or have been converted into shopping centers, car showrooms, or, at best, some kind of exhibitions and agricultural fairs.
    This was the government's policy, what can you do about it...
  30. 0
    15 October 2024 17: 07
    Nacionalizar todo lo estratégico es un derecho soberano del pueblo y que el mismo pueblo/nación tenga medios para auditar su manejo.
  31. 0
    4 November 2024 16: 13
    Fedorov, what nonsense are you writing? What criminals? What Germans? Did you come up with this yourself?

    Klimovsk cartridge factory set up production of a bunch of new calibers. Increased production capacity. And so on. Everything was fine there. And the municipalities should be responsible for the boiler room.

    Well, the state will take this plant. Do you think it will be better under the hand of bureaucrats?