And again about bridges: an opportunity to radically change the course of the NWO, which is not used

Amur Bridge is one of the bridges across the Dnieper that must be destroyed

The topic of Ukrainian bridges has long evoked extremely strong emotions among Russian citizens interested in military topics, the number of which has increased significantly after the start of the Russian Special Military Operation (SVO) in Ukraine.

From the very moment when it became obvious that the Northern Military District did not go entirely according to the original plan, the issue of the destruction of Ukrainian transport facilities was raised on almost every thematic information resource. We also talked about this earlier in the material “By destroying transport structures along the Dnieper, half of Ukraine can be denazified by the end of this year.” – that was September 2022.

Since then, only one bridge across the Dnieper has been destroyed - Antonovsky, and it was destroyed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) in order to interrupt the supply of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces), as a result - units of the Russian Armed Forces had to leave their bridgehead on left bank of the Dnieper.

The Antonovsky Bridge was not destroyed by nuclear weapons weapons, not with hundreds of heavy concrete-piercing free-falling bombs, but with a couple of dozen Excalibur high-precision projectiles and HIMARS high-precision missiles with relatively low-power warheads.

On July 27, 2022, the Ukrainian Armed Forces caused critical damage to the Antonovsky Bridge, after which it was closed to traffic

What did the Ukrainian Armed Forces do during the invasion of the Kursk region?

That's right, they began to destroy and successfully destroyed bridges across the Seim River to solve the A2AD problem - isolating the battlefield. Again, no special superweapon was required to destroy the bridges; apparently, everything was done by the same HIMARS missiles, as well as guided glide bombs from Ukrainian tactical aircraft aviation.

The bridges were followed by attacks on pontoon crossings being built by the RF Armed Forces, and it is now easier to destroy pontoon crossings - this can be done either with cluster warheads, which have much lower requirements for hit accuracy, or even FPV-drones.

It is characteristic that pontoon crossings were and are one of the arguments of opponents of the destruction of Ukrainian bridges, or rather, not even opponents, but rather “justifiers” of the reasons why bridges cannot be destroyed.

High-precision GMLRS missiles have proven to be very effective for destroying bridges, and in the version with a cluster warhead they are effective against pontoon crossings

By the way, it would be interesting to see how Ukraine would organize the movement of trains on pontoon crossings across the Dnieper...

Another argument of the “justifiers” is the strength of Ukrainian (read: Soviet) bridges - they say this can only be done with the help of nuclear weapons, carpet bombing with free-falling bombs, or detonation of a certain number of tons of powerful explosives by sappers.

Reality refutes these statements - Ukraine is doing everything perfectly well with the help of high-precision weapons. It is worth noting that the Russian Armed Forces also carried out the destruction of bridges in Ukraine when it was necessary or rather permitted, and, judging by open data, for this they used X-38 aircraft missiles, with a not very powerful warhead weighing 250 kilograms.

Russian tactical aircraft missiles Kh-38 also cope well with small bridges

Another argument is that part of the transport routes across the Dnieper are laid along dams; if they are destroyed, gigantic masses of water will flood everything downstream of the Dnieper. And if we cannot destroy dams, then what is the point of destroying bridges?

Firstly, even if we do not destroy the dams, but only destroy the bridges across the Dnieper, this will significantly reduce the traffic flow between the right-bank and left-bank Ukraine.

Secondly, dams must be destroyed, regardless of the consequences. The same Ukrainian Armed Forces without hesitation destroyed the dam of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station (HPP), and blamed us for it - and in the West they believe them, not us. If in a couple of years the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, with corresponding losses during this period, reach the banks of the Dnieper, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will also blow up bridges and dams on the Dnieper, and they will again blame Russia for this, and again they will be believed, because the truth in our time is not makes no sense, and in such a situation - “it’s better to be a sinner than to be considered a sinner.”

The destroyed dam of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station - unlike us, in Ukraine they are not afraid to make really tough decisions

Transport structures - bridges and dams must be destroyed without fail, without any hesitation, ensuring the isolation of the combat area - the A2AD zone throughout the entire territory of left-bank Ukraine.

Let us consider, in order of application, samples of long-range precision weapons that can be used to destroy Ukrainian transport structures; first of all, we are interested in bridges and dams across the Dnieper.

Anti-ship missiles X-22/X-32

It would seem that the Kh-22/Kh-32 anti-ship missiles, adapted for hitting ground targets, launched from long-range Tu-22M3 bombers, could become an ideal weapon for destroying bridges, with their warheads weighing nearly a ton?

The problem is that, judging by open data, the X-22 anti-ship missiles have insufficient accuracy, so they most likely simply will not hit the bridge. As for the X-32 anti-ship missiles, it is possible that their accuracy has been increased, but at the same time the mass of the warhead has been reduced in favor of increasing the range. As part of the solution to the task of destroying bridges, the X-22 anti-ship missile can be used to suppress enemy air defense systems defending the bridge, provided that the X-22 anti-ship missile is equipped with cluster warheads.

It can be assumed that 8–12 Kh-22 anti-ship missiles with cluster warheads, launched from four long-range TU-22M3 bombers, will mow down all living things within a radius of about 100–200 meters from the attacked target, including completely stopping traffic on the attacked bridge.

Four long-range Tu-22M3 bombers with X-22 anti-ship missiles will clear the area around the selected bridge from enemy air defense systems, and at the same time inflict primary damage to the bridge deck, but only if the specified anti-ship missiles are equipped with cluster warheads

UAV-kamikaze

Sometimes, when they talk about the need to destroy Ukrainian bridges, the question is raised whether this could be done with the help of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) - kamikazes, for example, like the Geran-2?

No, if you use only kamikaze UAVs, then you can’t - the mass of their warhead, which is about 50 kilograms, is not enough to destroy bridges. On the other hand, the same 227 mm caliber guided missiles launched from the HIMARS launcher have a warhead mass that is not much greater - about 100 kilograms.

The higher speed of the HIMARS missiles may not help, but cause harm, if the missile pierces the bridge deck and explodes underneath it, at least this is the argument used by the “justifiers” when they say that our missiles are simply doing in bridges holes.

So is it possible to use kamikaze UAVs to attack transport structures?

Yes - it is possible and necessary.

First, they must go in the first wave, approaching the target immediately after the strike by the X-22 anti-ship missile with cluster warheads, diverting the remaining enemy air defense systems to themselves. Ideally, kamikaze UAVs should fly at the highest possible altitude for them, so that the enemy depletes stocks of anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs), rather than shooting down kamikaze UAVs with machine guns and FPV drones.

Secondly, there should be a lot of them, about 50-100 kamikaze UAVs per bridge, since some will be shot down by air defense systems, and the rest should cause the bridge the maximum possible damage to their warheads.

Long-range kamikaze UAVs of the Geranium-2 type are strong in numbers - when attacking a bridge there should be a lot of them

Third, if a kamikaze UAV has a flight range of 1 kilometers and a warhead weighing 000 kilograms, and the bridge is only 50 kilometers away, then the range must be reduced in favor of the warhead - a warhead weighing 500 kilograms will clearly give a greater effect than a warhead weighing 100 kilograms.

It is necessary to understand that kamikaze UAVs will not destroy the bridge, but they will “prepare the ground” for the next wave.

KR X-101 and KR ZM-14

The X-101 cruise missiles (CR), launched from the Tu-95MS/MSM and Tu-160M ​​strategic bombers, as well as the ZM-14 cruise missile of the "Caliber" complex, used from surface ships and submarines, already have a fairly powerful warhead weighing about 500 kilogram, capable of causing fatal damage to a bridge or dam if hit successfully.

Moreover, according to data from open sources, there is a modification of the Kh-101 missile launcher with a warhead weighing about 800 kilograms, with a simultaneous reduction in the range of the missile launcher, which is not critical for solving our problems.

A warhead weighing about 800 kilograms on the modernized Kh-101 missile launcher is a serious bid for the destruction of even high-strength transport structures built during the Soviet period

The main issue in the use of these missile launchers lies in their accuracy. According to some data, their circular probable deviation (CPD) is on the order of 10–20 meters, which may be too much, for example, to hit bridge supports. On the other hand, also according to open data, the Kh-101 missile launchers are equipped with an optical target guidance system in the final section, which increases the accuracy of hitting the target, the image of which is stored in the memory of the missile guidance system.

How can you compensate for the lack of precision?

Quantity. Two TU-160M ​​strategic bombers are capable of using 24 Kh-101 cruise missiles, and one Project 11356R frigate from the Black Sea fleet (Black Sea Fleet) the Russian Federation can add to them 8 ZM-14 missile launchers of the Caliber complex - a total of 32 missile launchers. When struck by such a number of missile launchers, even if half of them are intercepted by Ukrainian air defense systems, the chance of destroying the bridge already becomes quite large, but if necessary, the number of missile launchers in the salvo can be increased.

By the way, there is a way to increase the likelihood of missiles hitting bridge supports, but it is inappropriate to discuss it in open sources.

The disadvantage of the CD is that the enemy’s air defense can still shoot them down, while we have weapons that have not yet been confirmed to be intercepted - these are the Iskander operational-tactical missile system (OTRK) missiles and the hypersonic missiles of the aviation complex “ Dagger".

"Iskander" and "Dagger"?

Like the missile launchers discussed above, the Iskander OTRK missiles and the Kinzhal complex have a powerful warhead weighing about 500 kilograms, their declared QUO is about 5–7 meters when using GLONASS signals and 1–2 meters when using an optical head in the final section homing (GOS).

With such a low CEP of 1–2 meters, when using an optical seeker in the final section, we can already talk about directly damaging the bridge supports. If the CEP is still greater, for example, the same 5-7 meters, then the recipe is the same as with the missile launcher - use more missiles, hit one point.

Regarding the fact that the Iskander OTRK missiles and the Kinzhal complex missiles simply punch through holes in the bridges, and the detonation occurs later and almost does not damage the bridge, isn’t this compensated by the fuse settings?

For example, a contact fuse can be set to instant action, and if this is not enough due to the fact that the Iskander OTRK missiles and the Kinzhal complex missiles have too high a speed at the moment of impact with the bridge, and still manage to “overshoot” , then for this there are radio fuses that can be configured to detonate at a given height, so that the warhead detonates at the moment it passes the bridge structures.

And when it hits the point where the support is placed, it will be better if the warhead enters it deeper, right up to the moment of detonation.

OTRK "Iskander"

What damage will four Iskander missiles and four Kinzhal missiles, which are practically impossible to intercept, cause to the attacked bridge?

Conclusions

How many Kh-101 or ZM-14 “Caliber” cruise missiles were fired at even one bridge across the Dnieper?

How many Iskander and Kinzhal missiles were fired at these bridges?

Have they ever even tried to attack them?

Based on open data, no, the bridges across the Dnieper were not attacked even once during the entire period of the SVO.

Then how can we say that we cannot do it?

For one bridge - 50 kamikaze UAVs of the "Geran-2" type, 32 Kh-101 and 3M-14 missiles, 8 Iskander and Kinzhal missiles - it is possible that the considered amount of ammunition, presumably necessary for the destruction of one bridge, the author is greatly overestimated.

A complex fire attack with the weapons discussed in this material will most likely lead to the destruction of the attacked bridge or its receipt of such damage that it will not be possible to restore it for many years. And if they start rebuilding, you can always add that kamikaze UAVs alone may be enough here, especially if they are equipped with cluster warheads.

Why don't we destroy bridges across the Dnieper? No military expediency?

This is just nonsense.

Two years ago, the author proposed destroying all Ukrainian transport structures on the Dnieper and maximizing the strengthening of the bridgehead in Kherson - in this case, we most likely would have cut off Ukraine from the sea long ago and reached Transnistria.
The amount of weapons, ammunition and manpower that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be able to move from the right bank of the Dnieper to the left along pontoon crossings, on boats and boats will be two orders of magnitude less than what they are moving now.

Without support, without reinforcements, without a constant influx of weapons, ammunition and manpower, the Ukrainian invasion of the Kursk region will “dissolve” in the shortest possible time. Following this, the Line of Combat Contact (LCC) will float - the Russian Armed Forces are already moving forward, but how much will the pace of advancement increase if the support of the Armed Forces of Ukraine drops several times? Most likely, we can expect the entire front line to collapse within a few months.

Ukraine will lose a significant part of its mobilization potential, and a significant share of industrial resources will be lost. All illusions of Ukraine and its owners - the USA and Great Britain, as well as their accomplices - the countries of the global West, about the seizure of Crimea, the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant and about any possibility of reaching the 1991 borders will be dispelled.

The launch lines for cruise missiles, operational-tactical missiles and enemy kamikaze UAVs will move back, Russian cities and towns will no longer be subject to barbaric artillery shelling and FPV drone strikes. An air defense barrier could be created on the former territory of Ukraine, and an insurmountable ground defense line could be created along the border of the Dnieper.

Without support from the West, from the right bank of Ukraine, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have to evacuate all units from the left bank of the Dnieper, without waiting until they are “crushed by the skating rink” of the Russian Armed Forces.

After which the procedure is known - a referendum, the entry of new regions into the Russian Federation - there is no third option, Ukraine must cease to exist, or all this will be repeated again and again.

So why are the bridges across the Dnieper not destroyed?

Lack of competencies?

This means we definitely need Strategic Conventional Forces (SCF), intended specifically for conducting the war with the help of high-precision long-range weapons, which will work “with a single goal, according to a single plan,” understanding the expediency of their actions, having the skills to implement their plans.

Russia needs a new type or branch of the armed forces, focused on waging non-contact wars

“In general, the task of the Strategic Conventional Forces can be formulated as follows: inflicting damage on the enemy that significantly reduces its organizational, industrial and military capabilities from a distance, minimizing or eliminating the likelihood of a direct combat collision with the enemy’s armed forces.”

Are bridges protected so that the commercial interests of some “respected” people do not suffer?

Is it possible that certain individuals deliberately write reports to senior management that the bridges across the Dnieper cannot be destroyed, and they write the “correct” reports to a completely different address, somewhere in Langley, Virginia?

Or maybe something else is missing, vitally important, necessary for making really serious decisions?

Questions to which the author does not have an answer.

Undoubtedly, only one thing is that the destruction of Ukrainian transport structures, primarily on the Dnieper River, is expedient and feasible.

Bridges and dams on the Dnieper should have been destroyed two years ago, but that’s how it is. It’s hard to imagine a better moment than now - the water level in the Dnieper River is minimal after the hot summer, so the consequences of the destruction of the dams will also be minimal, while Ukraine itself gave us a reason for the most severe response.

All that remains is to make the right decision and implement it.

Comments

[ZIF122]

Absolutely right, I agree with the author, how much can we talk about this! It is necessary to destroy bridges across the Dnieper and the Beskit tunnel too! All these excuses are simply ridiculous; there is no political will to destroy them, or rather, there is a complete ban on touching them!

[Luminman]

It is necessary to destroy bridges across the Dnieper

They are not so easy to destroy - as planned by Soviet builders, they must withstand the most crushing blows of a potential enemy. These bridges can only be multiplied by zero by a nuclear strike, or numerous attacks by FABs, which is completely excluded today...

[Lev_Russia]

It seems that this is not just a war, but a real war of agreements... I don’t know what we were promised for the fact that we do not touch the bridges and Kyiv (Bankovaya, the Rada building), but playing agreements with the rocks is more expensive for themselves... They have never fulfilled and are not going to fulfill any agreements and at the first opportunity they will fire at Moscow and any other object on our territory... How pale the Kremlin and everyone who sits in it will look after this... Putin, wake up and don’t start squeezing your tits , but to fight...

[Machito]

It appears that the bridges across the Dnieper are not being destroyed due to the financial interests of Russian oligarchs.
It is difficult to imagine that completely incompetent people work in the Russian Defense Ministry.
How to get the destruction of bridges across the Dnieper off the ground?
Only if you ask this question on a direct line to the president or write him an open letter with a million signatures of citizens of the Russian Federation.
And that is not a fact.
In any case, the appeal of a million people to the president will be difficult to ignore. In the meantime, the interests of a handful of oligarchs are being respected, and thousands and thousands of lives of soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces are being lost.

[AA17]

...It’s hard to imagine that the RF Ministry of Defense employs completely incompetent people....

Dear Beard.

I agree with you.
I assume that the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry is well aware of the need to destroy bridges across the Dnieper. But... .
Probably someone in charge, who commands the Ministry of Defense, believes that it is impossible to destroy the bridges.
For most of the people, the reasons for this decision are unknown. One can only guess: the order to destroy strategic communications in Ukraine poses a threat to the existence of the current elite.

Someday, in the memoirs of a retired general, the reasons for the lack of an order to destroy the bridges will emerge, but before that, a lot of soldiers and civilians in Russia will die.

[ramzay21]

The author knows the answer to his question, like most people. There is no solution for those who have not yet started. And this person is our main problem.
Unfortunately, during the 24 years of his power, he did everything to prevent Ukraine from reuniting with Russia and went from a pro-Russian country that watched Russian TV to our mortal enemy.
Destroy all bridges across the Dnieper, with repeated strikes to prevent restoration of the remains of bridges and identified crossings, as well as the destruction of the energy system and refineries with oil depots, along with the closure of gas and oil pipelines, while simultaneously mobilizing and preparing a strike from the north and south with the encirclement of the most combat-ready group The Ukrainian Armed Forces are our only chance for a real victory in the Northern Military District with the occupation of at least Left Bank Ukraine.
But of course this will not be done because we have not started yet. Why did he decide this? Who or what is preventing him from making this decision? No answers yet. But there is a parallel with Nicholas II.

[saigon]

Forgive me, Nikolai, number two, did not get involved in issues of tactics and strategy because he was not at all competent in these things. I’m afraid that the situation with reports is again the same as at the end of the imperial period - There is an autocracy of the police, gendarmes, ministers, and there is no autocracy of the Tsar, since no harm is brought to him. This is in the memoirs. Well, loyal reports to the emperor are a mixture of half lies and half humor; the information level is zero. All this is in the memoirs.

[VB]

Will fate be the same?

[Practitioner23354df]

Quote: VB

Will fate be the same?

It wouldn't be bad.

[stels_07]

What are the interests of the oligarchs?

[Machito]

Russian oligarchs own large shares of business in Ukraine: power plants, oil industry, chemical production, metallurgy, etc.
To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear?

[Lemon]

It will be interesting to hear who and what? I know that Lukoil used to own the largest refinery of the shaggy Krimenchug. Then after the Maidan it was squeezed out by committing a raider takeover of Benya Kolomoisky. I will be grateful for the new information.

[Machito]

Yesterday, one of the commentators listed the assets of Russian oligarchs in the Ukrainian electric power industry. Search online if you're interested. So much has been written about this that I’m just too lazy to look for it. In addition, a couple of my friends work as personal drivers for oligarchs whose families have assets in Ukraine. So I have enough insider information on the Rublevsky affairs.

[16112014nk]

Quote: Lemon

who and what?

Some assets of Russian oligarchs in Ukraine:

— mobile operators Kyivstar and Helsi belong to the telecommunications group VEON, which is 48% owned by the LetterOne fund of Mikhail Fridman and Peter Aven;

- producer of mineral waters "Morshinska", "Mirgorodska" and "Alaska" - owner of IDS Group Ukraine Fridman, Khan and Aven;

— Kherson, Chernivtsi-, Zhytomyr-, Rivne- and Kirovogradoblenergo, components of “VS Energy International Ukraine”, which is part of the Russian group VS Energy of the ex-president of FC CSKA Evgeniy Giner, deputy chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, fair Russia Alexander Babakov and the person whose name associated with criminals, Mikhail Voevodin;

In addition, the VS Energy group owns: the Premier Palace, Lybid, Dnestr and Rus hotels, as well as the Dneprospetsstal electrometallurgical plant and the Pinbank bank.

- Nikolaevsky alumina refinery, Glukhovsky quartzite quarry - both owned by Oleg Deripaska's RUSAL group;

— the Brocard perfume chain and its distributor “Egzagon” — belong to the Russian network “l'Etoile” by Tatiana Volodina;

— manufacturer of castings for nuclear power plants, Energomashspetsstal, is owned by Atomenergomash, part of the Rosatom corporation;

— LLC VSMPO Titan Ukraine, which produces titanium pipes, and LLC Demurinsky Mining and Processing Plant, which develops reserves of titanium-zirconium sands in the Dnepropetrovsk region, both belong to the Russian corporation VSMPO Avisma, which produces titanium for enterprises of the Russian military-industrial complex.

Information is freely available on the Internet. You can search some more.

[Lemon]

Thank you. I agree. All this was before the beginning of the SVO.... I have already given the example with Lukoil, obliquely in my opinion, they have not been working the same way since the beginning of the SVO (I know because I am a shareholder), I think the same applies to everyone else. Don't be a ho-khol if you haven't squeezed everything out! Another example is... Sberbank and the ammonia pipeline. If they couldn't squeeze it out, they will blow it up! So the talk about the oligarchs influencing something, I think is empty. Regarding the railway bridges and the entire system: I think they will soon be reset. Information is slipping out that China will redirect its tonanzit through Belarus. I don't think I should tell you about the manic commitment of our Supreme Command to international agreements. Thank you again for the information.

[Goldmitro]

Lemon
..

.concerning the railway bridges and the whole system: I think they will soon be reset. Information is slipping out that China will redirect its tonanzit through Belarus. About the manic commitment to international agreements of our Supreme Command, I think there is no need to tell you. Thank you again for the information.

It seems that the interests of China, which uses Ukraine’s transport infrastructure, were indeed one of the main obstacles to our Armed Forces’ strikes on it.

[sgrabik]

This is no longer a secret for anyone, here is a direct answer to this question: oligarchs with their pocket-money interests directly influence the course of military operations.

[saigon]

No, even the most stupid and moronic general will always be for the fact that everything is in ruins and only politicians do not give the go-ahead. There are no questions, no answers, and hope is fading quietly and unnoticeably.

[Fan-fan]

I am sure that Putin is interfering in the management of military operations. For example, Hitler and Stalin always made the last decision on planned operations. That’s why they don’t touch the bridges because Putin forbade it.

[Torp20]

It doesn’t take any intelligence to guess about the agreement, if Russia hammers everything, then the Ukrainians will be allowed to hammer Rostov, Voronezh, right up to Moscow with long-range missiles that they will deliver and geyropas like maybe tomahawks, this has long been no secret for those who are friends with their heads .

[Fan-fan]

If the West gives the Ukrainians long-range missiles, then Russia has the right to give Iran and the Houthis the same.

[miry_mir]

That's right! Just don't write scribbles into the void, but ask the president directly. But none of you will have the courage to ask, and there won't be a direct answer, we know how they can do it.

[Wayfarer_2]

Why don't you ask yourself, how brave you are? It doesn't work? Or is it your hobby to blame others for everything?

[sgrabik]

I agree, while our entire people and our army are working tirelessly for Victory over the enemy, some scoundrels in the person of individual profiteers - oligarchs think only about their personal pockets and their own selfish interests, so to speak, nothing personal - just business.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

It seems that this is not just a war, but a real war of agreements...

This is an ordinary imperialist war for the interests of the imperialists. Moreover, the interests of Russian, Ukrainian and Western imperialists do not always coincide.
And the population of Russia has been naively believing for 2,5 years that the guarantor and his accomplices are defending the interests of Russia and the Russian people.

[Practitioner23354df]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

And the population of Russia has been naively believing for 2,5 years that the guarantor and his accomplices are defending the interests of Russia and the Russian people.

The number of such populations is decreasing very quickly.

[Fan-fan]

If this is a war for the interests of the oligarchs, then why should we die? Let the oligarchs themselves fight.

[Nastia makarova]

Kursk residents also thought that the war was far away, but now hundreds of thousands have lost everything. Everyone will have to fight.

[kvv]

Putin will not change, he is not a man of initiative, he only knows how to respond to the situation, so everything will be as before,

[Askold65]

Now I'm going to be downvoted. But I’ll put in “my two cents....”
All this chatter about agreements is the same nonsense as the fact that these bridges can be destroyed by a raid by the Kyrgyz Republic.
There are 28 bridges and dams across the Dnieper in Ukraine. And if we take the author’s calculations, then their destruction will require about 900 Kh-101 missiles alone, three hundred Iskanders and a couple of thousand Geraniums.
But that's not the point. Ours in the immediate area of ​​the Northern Military District destroyed small bridges across the Seim River, even more than dill. And bombs, and Iskanders, and Krasnopols, and Daredevils. Not counting those that the dill blew up themselves.

[Fan-fan]

But how did the Ukrainians make holes in the Antonovsky Bridge with several Hymers? The bridge deck was damaged and the bridge became unusable.

[Askold65]

"Hymars" installations or missiles? The bridge itself was hit by a dozen, if not more, missiles. About the same number missed. I saw several videos online of how these missiles “flopped” into the water next to the bridge. But every launch of the Khaymars was accompanied by launches of Grad missiles, which overloaded the air defense in Kherson. The bridge has become relatively unsuitable for the passage of heavy equipment. But the bulk of the troops were withdrawn from Kherson along the Antonovsky Bridge. There was a completely different situation there.
"Iskanders" and cruise missiles are much more expensive than "highmarses", but they still won't reach the main bridges across the Dnieper. Not to mention the "Tornado-S" missiles with GLONASS guidance, as an analogue of highmarses. If the bridges across the Dnieper were in the zone reach of "Tornado-S", "Gradov" and bombs with UMPC, then now they would be constantly working on them.

[Fan-fan]

There is one railway bridge in Zaporozhye, 200 km from Mariupol, 4 railway bridges in the Dnieper area, 240 km from Mariupol, Iskander flies 480 km. There are two railway bridges in Kremenchug, it is 280 km from Belgorod. There are a lot of bridges, but we have few high-precision missiles, it’s a pity that our leader did not take care of the appropriate weapons for the army. It turns out that we are weak if we cannot destroy bridges within a radius of 300 km.

[Askold65]

Quote: Fan-Fan

There are a lot of bridges, but we have few high-precision missiles, it is a pity that our leader did not take care of the army's appropriate armament. It turns out that we are weak, since we cannot destroy bridges within a radius of 300 km.

That's what I wrote in my posts above. It's one thing to destroy small bridges within the reach of tactical weapons (we can do that too). And another thing is heavy bridges at operational and further distances. The author of the article clearly confused bridges 20 km from the border and bridges 250 km away.
By the way, there were some KR flights over the Kremenchug bridge, and they destroyed a section of the railway track.
Everything depends on the production capabilities (timeframe and quantity, personnel shortage and availability of first-class equipment) of long-range missiles. Even if "we won't stand on the price". As these events have shown, this is not only a problem for Russia, but also for the West.

[PavelT]

It’s as if these long-range cruise missiles are launched at Ukraine every week, 2-3 times, 4-10 at a time.
Moreover, sometimes for very crazy purposes, such as above-ground structures of underground gas storage facilities in western Ukraine.

https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2024/06/02/vs-rossii-nanesli-udar-po-krupneyshemu-phg-ukrainy-gde-hranit-gaz-es-merkuris

https://rg.ru/2024/04/11/mig-31-udarili-kinzhalami-po-strategicheskomu-gazohranilishchu-pod-lvovom.html

Complete absurdity: they themselves pump their gas to Ukraine 40-42 million m3 every day + pay the Ukrainians 1 billion dollars a year for transit to the EU, and the Ukrainians steal this gas from them, but we will destroy their underground storage facilities instead shut off gas!

[Askold65]

Quote: PavelT

Moreover, sometimes for very crazy purposes, such as above-ground structures of underground gas storage facilities in western Ukraine.

These buildings contain equipment for pumping gas into underground storage facilities.
So that European companies could not pump gas into Ukrainian gas storage facilities or Ukrainians could not pump their gas to get through the winter period.

Quote: PavelT

It’s complete absurdity: they themselves pump 40-42 million m3 of their gas to Ukraine every day + pay the Ukrainians 1 billion dollars a year for transit to the EU, and the Ukrainians steal this gas from them, but we will destroy their underground storage facilities instead of cutting off the gas!

Gas is not being pumped TO Ukraine, but THROUGH Ukraine to Western consumers. Ukraine, thanks to the decline in industrial production and the outflow of population, has quite enough of its own gas.
If the gas is cut off, it will hit Western consumers. Mainly Hungary and Slovakia. Austria and Moldova also receive this gas, through which gas is supplied to Transnistria.
With the gas shut off, payments for it will stop. Don't we need money? Where should we bleed the gas from the well? Russia is already a leader in flaring this gas...

[PavelT]

Do you seriously not understand that the Ukrainians can steal this gas as much as they want???
Don't you understand that the Europeans won't do anything to them for this?

[Askold65]

Quote: PavelT

Do you seriously not understand that the Ukrainians can steal this gas as much as they want???
Don't you understand that the Europeans won't do anything to them for this?

They can or they can’t... But I know that you can’t know for sure what’s going on there...
Maybe that's why they blew up the stations for pumping gas into underground gas storage facilities, so that there would be nowhere to pump the stolen gas? Especially as much as you like...

[PavelT]

They steal it anyway and spend it right away. And our sycophantic media to the gas oligarchs will NEVER voice this, even if there is evidence of gas theft by the Ukrainians.
Because this is essentially helping the enemy in the war, and the gas oligarchs cannot be criticized!

Why do the Ukrainians need to store gas somewhere? They live from day to month.
There is a video online of burning gas from a pipe in Kharkov, near the bombed-out "Epicenter" shopping center (location of the Ukrainian Armed Forces) - it is gushing under pressure, they have a lot of gas! Thanks to the generosity of our gas bigwigs...

Do you seriously think that underground gas storage is a more important goal than bridges across the Dnieper?
Do you seriously think that an underground gas storage facility is easier to destroy with cruise missiles than a bridge across the Dnieper?

[Askold65]

Quote: PavelT

They steal it anyway and spend it right away.

Where do they spend it? They don't need the gas in the volumes they used to get.
They cut off the gas to the Ukrainians - great! The theft has stopped (but this is purely your guess - I think so) - wonderful! Once again - the Ukrainians have THEIR OWN gas, which they have ENOUGH of! The Europeans will be left without gas, and they, of course, will stop paying. From which the Russian budget receives revenues from GAZPROM - half of which belongs to the state. The "oligarchs" pay taxes and salaries to their staff too...
Transnistria, which receives gas through Moldova, will be left without gas.

Quote: PavelT

Do you seriously think that underground gas storage is a more important goal than bridges across the Dnieper?
Do you seriously think that an underground gas storage facility is easier to destroy with cruise missiles than a bridge across the Dnieper?

An underground gas storage facility is not a barrel buried underground. It is a complex of engineering structures in reservoirs of geological structures, aquifers, mine workings or salt caves. The attack is carried out on the stations for pumping and taking gas from the underground gas storage facility. They are much easier to destroy than a bridge.
I have already written that FABs with UMPKs cannot reach the bridges yet. Moreover, there are problems with accuracy. Hundreds of cruise and ballistic missiles are needed, taking into account misses and shootdowns by Ukrainian air defense. Our industry is not capable of producing such a quantity of missiles. This is a fact.

[PavelT]

"Once again - the Ukrainians have THEIR OWN gas, of which they have ENOUGH!"
Lies! The Ukrainians don't have THEIR OWN gas. They are ALLEGEDLY supplied with it by the EU, for this they need to change the direction of gas supply in the gas pipeline - this is a pain in the ass, it is quite possible that they do not do this (they only announce it in the media), but instead allow them to steal gas going to the EU. Can you prove otherwise? No, because neither you nor me (nor Gazprom, especially) will be allowed access to gas control devices and gas pipeline control panels in Ukraine.

"The Europeans will be left without gas, and they will, of course, stop paying." Let them stay. They need to be taught a lesson. This should have been done in February 2022 or at least in September 2022. When they had little gas and few alternative gas suppliers.
But our whole country, all of Russia, is for the EU, and not the other way around...
We look up to them, and not they to us. They confiscated 300 billion dollars of our assets, and we give them gas! At least it's humane!

"Transnistria, which receives gas through Moldova, will be left without gas."Let it stay. Tea is not Norilsk, they won't freeze. And what's better to supply gas so humiliatingly and fight for another 10 years, groveling before everyone (from the EU to the UN)?

"I have already written that FABs with UMPKs cannot reach the bridges yet. Moreover, there are problems with accuracy. Hundreds of cruise and ballistic missiles are needed, taking into account misses and shootdowns by Ukrainian air defense. Our industry is not capable of producing such a quantity of missiles. This is a fact."

Lies. And typical for a sycophant-patriot. The range of the FAB with the UMPK is 50-70 km. The distance from the front to the bridges of Zaporozhye is 45-50 km.
There are no problems with accuracy. We are shown videos on this topic almost every week about our gliding bombs.
Hundreds of cruise and ballistic missiles are not needed - this is a lie. Also typical for a sycophantic patriot. Less than a hundred missiles are needed. Number of bridges x 4 = about 80. A hundred will be more than enough.

Why do you need this lie? Do you enjoy being a sycophantic patriot? Do you want the country to fight another 10 years in this war with such excuses? A war that sycophantic patriots are even afraid to call a war (they call it by three letters). And for the Ukrainians and NATO to become insolent, seeing the cowardice of the General Staff and the Russian elite for years??

[Askold65]

Quote: PavelT

Lies! The Ukrainians don't have THEIR OWN gas. They are ALLEGEDLY supplied with it by the EU, for this they need to change the direction of gas supply in the gas pipeline

They don’t need to reverse the gas flow; they took part of the volume from the pipeline and paid the Europeans for it – the so-called “virtual reverse”.

In 2020, gas production in Ukraine amounted to 20 billion m³. The main gas producing regions are Kharkiv region (45% of production in 2019), Poltava region (44%) and Lviv region (4%).

The largest gas production company in Ukraine is Ukrgazdobycha (part of Naftogaz Ukrainy). It accounts for about 70% of the country's gas production.
The main gas fields operated by Ukrgazdobycha:[
Shebelynskoe (Kharkiv region)
Zapadno-Krestishchenskoye (Kharkiv region)
Yablunovskoye (Poltava region)
Efremovskoe (Kharkiv region)
Melekhovskoye (Kharkiv region)

You OBVIOUSLY don't get it...

Quote: PavelT

"The Europeans will be left without gas, and they will, of course, stop paying." Let them stay. They need to be taught a lesson. This should have been done in February 2022 or at least in September 2022. When they had little gas and few alternative gas suppliers.

Not all of Europe will be left without gas, but only a few of the smaller European economies -- Slovakia, Hungary, Austria and Moldova. There were NO fatal consequences for Europe from this act. For them, it was only a question of price. And they have the money.

Quote: PavelT

Is it better to supply gas in such a humiliating manner and fight for another 10 years, groveling before everyone (from the EU to the UN)?

The question here is: who supplies to whom in a “humiliating” manner and who buys from whom in a “humiliating” manner.

Quote: PavelT

The range of the FAB with the UMPK is 50-70 km. The distance from the front to the bridges of Zaporozhye is 45-50 km.

You were told above that our planes dropping bombs with UMPK do not approach the front line closer than 50 km. Now subtract the numbers 70 km - 50 km = 20 km. And to the bridges - 50 km. That is, the shortfall will be 30 km. The accuracy of the FAB with UMPK is +/- 50 meters (if not more). This is clearly not enough to hit the bridge.

Quote: PavelT

Why do you need this lie? Do you enjoy being a patriotic sycophant?

Aren't you tired of being a lost cause - a patriot? ? We must accept objective reality.

[Askold65]

Although from Sumy itself there are three bridges across the Psel River and an overpass across the railway towards the border with Russia. These need to and can be collapsed. Why isn't this being done?

[PavelT]

All bridges in Zaporozhye are located ONLY 45-50 km from the front line.
Our gliding bombs have a range of about 50-70 km. That is, tactical aviation can destroy the Zaporozhye bridges WITHOUT EVEN CROSSING THE FRONT LINE!
Why are these bridges still untouched???

[Konnick]

All bridges in Zaporozhye are located ONLY 45-50 km from the front line.
Our gliding bombs have a range of about 50-70 km. That is, tactical aviation can destroy the Zaporozhye bridges.

Unfortunately, our tactical aviation does not come within 50 km of the front line.

[PavelT]

Yes, really, they fly fighter-bombers right along the front lines.
Otherwise, how do they throw regular bombs?
How do they hit targets in Pavlograd, Mezhova near Kharkov?

[PavelT]

900 X-101 missiles?? Why not 999 pieces?
Nonsense and lies, typical of sycophantic patriots (as they write according to the memo). Recently I saw the same bullshit from the "Russian Engineer" in his Telegram channel: supposedly 30 "Iskanders" are needed for each bridge of the Ukrainians across the Dnieper. Why not 33 :) ?

Although ours hit the Antonovsky Bridge (the span near the shore) on the first try and brought down (half of the lanes).

First: the Ukrainians have only 28-28 = 3 of the 25 bridges and dams left (they destroyed two bridges in Kherson and the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station dam)

2 bridges (double, to and from the island) in Zaporozhye and one dam there are crossed off the list: they are 45-50 km from the front line - there is no need to waste missiles there, regular tactical aviation can get them with gliding bombs WITHOUT CROSSING THE FRONT LINE. 25 - 3 = 22 bridges left. One in Kyiv is pedestrian and bicycle, it can be left alone. 21 remain.

For each bridge you need either 2 Iskander OTBRs (the Ukrainians have never shot them down),
either 3-4 Kh-101s with a warhead increased to 800 kg, or 1-2 Kh-22s (Kh-32s), which were also never intercepted by Ukrainian air defense.
That's 80 missiles IN TOTAL!

Dams and weirs don't need to be destroyed - bridges and locks near the dams need to be destroyed (there is always a lock there, look at satellite images). A bridge that falls on a lock = double benefit: the bridge is broken and the lock is out of order.

[Askold65]

Quote: PavelT

they are 45-50 km from the front line - there is no need to waste missiles there, regular tactical aviation can reach them with gliding bombs WITHOUT CROSSING THE FRONT LINE.

And how many kilometers from the front line do you need to drop them? These gliding FABs will have to be dropped at the limit of their range and already entering the Ukrainian air defense zone of the Patriot, S-300, Buk, etc. complexes. In addition, the CEP of these FABs with UMPK is tens of meters. How many FABs need to be dropped so that at least one hits the bridge?

Quote: PavelT

For each bridge you need either 2 Iskander OTBRs (the Ukrainians have never shot them down),
either 3-4 Kh-101s with a warhead increased to 800 kg, or 1-2 Kh-22s (Kh-32s), which were also never intercepted by Ukrainian air defense.

These are your theoretical calculations, but it is practically unknown how many missiles are needed to destroy monumental bridges of Soviet construction. And taking into account the inevitable misses.

Quote: PavelT

Although ours hit the Antonovsky Bridge (the span near the shore) on the first try and brought down (half of the lanes).

This bridge had already been worn out by the Ukrainians' haimars and blown up by our sappers during their retreat from Kherson. And bridges can be very different in their design and safety margin.

[neland36]

If we destroy the bridges, then how can we continue the disposal of NATO equipment and troops?

[PavelT]

Dispose of them to your health on the right (western) bank of the Dnieper.
Which is much safer for us, for our cities: Belgorod, Donetsk, Lugansk... all the others.

[Dedok]

They are not so easy to destroy - as planned by Soviet builders, they must withstand the most crushing blows likely opponent.

But what about the Antonovsky Bridge?

[dimon642]

The Antonovsky Bridge also contains nuclear weapons. Almost like nuclear weapons. Generals had to be taught to fight and not to make a career.

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: Luminman

It is necessary to destroy bridges across the Dnieper

They are not so easy to destroy - as planned by Soviet builders, they must withstand the most crushing blows of a potential enemy. These bridges can only be multiplied by zero by a nuclear strike, or numerous attacks by FABs, which is completely excluded today...

Something in the Kursk region of Ukraine, without any nuclear weapons, several bridges were demolished and, moreover, with bombs and missiles. It’s just that someone’s testicles haven’t grown to give the order, and because of this our guys are dying.

[Cartographer]

They told you that we are not fighting with the Ukrainian people, but with their government

[Practitioner23354df]

Quote from Kartograph

They told you that we are not fighting with the Ukrainian people, but with their government

We are not at war with their government either.

[HellAmigo]

They are not so easy to destroy - as planned by Soviet builders, they must withstand the most crushing blows

What nonsense are you talking about? In your opinion, it turns out that the USSR only built capital bridges for a nuclear strike on the Dnieper. It's not funny at all. Most likely, the bridges are not being destroyed, which is what Putin himself is against. He's our darling! He lives according to the principle of Leopold the cat... Our good king....

[Luminman]

What nonsense are you talking!

You are talking nonsense. Bridges across all major rivers, especially those of strategic importance, were built conscientiously...

[sgrabik]

There is no bridge today that could not be destroyed by modern means of destruction, without any nuclear weapons; here the issue is clearly not a lack of opportunity, but a lack of desire.

[shin]

Budanov would give you a two.

[saigon]

Believe me, the railway bridge is a vulnerable thing. The bridge truss has two support points, on one side a hinge with a shaft diameter of about 300 mm, but the other side of the truss lies on the support completely unfastened. It's just physics, this is how thermal expansion of the metal trusses is compensated. If you have the opportunity to look closely, take a look. Even from the window of an electric train, you can clearly see both the hinge and the floating unit.

[Monster_Fat]

Again:
More than once, from the very beginning, he explained the reason why the Russian Federation does not demolish bridges, destroy junction stations, large road junctions, power plants, tunnels, etc. in Ukraine. The fact is that from the very beginning of the Northern Military District, the United States drew its “red lines”, when crossed, direct intervention in the conflict between NATO and the United States will follow, namely: “...destruction of transport infrastructure, logistics, energy, production, food and etc. objects, which entails excessive inconvenience, hardship and suffering of the civilian population of Ukraine..." Strategic bridges, large transport interchanges, power plants, substations, dams, railway stations, tunnels, etc. are precisely included in the list of such objects. In contrast to the “red lines” of the Russian Federation, to which no one pays any attention, the “red lines” of the USA and NATO force the Kremlin to take them very seriously; in no case do they want direct intervention of NATO and the USA in the situation, because they understand perfectly well how this will end.

[Staal]

Most likely there is blackmail from the West in another way, whole bridges in exchange for the whole of Transnistria.
This is logical and now obvious...

[dmi.pris1]

If the leadership of a sovereign country waging a war succumbs to blackmail... Then what kind of leadership and sovereignty is this?

[Monster_Fat]

And there is also the Kaliningrad region.. Another thing is the “soft underbelly of Russia” which, for some reason, everyone has forgotten about....

[PavelT]

So what's stopping NATO from blocking the Kaliningrad region now and demanding that all our troops be withdrawn and the war stopped? Why aren't they doing this, but waiting for us to bomb the bridges across the Dnieper???

[HellAmigo]

The fact is that from the very beginning of the Northern Military District, the United States drew its “red lines”, when crossed, direct intervention in the conflict between NATO and the United States would follow.

The moderator laughed at your opus for a long time! But, I published it. From your words, Russia is afraid of the United States. Analytics, it's not yours! Has anyone ever told you that you need force to scare and blackmail!? If a war breaks out between Russia and the United States, it will exclusively be nuclear. In this area, both countries have 6500 nuclear warheads, only officially. If a strategic missile is not shot down on takeoff, then 90% of it will reach the target. Because not a single air defense system in the world can shoot it down. The United States is absolutely afraid that Russia might strike Ukraine or Europe with nuclear weapons. And if Russia strikes, the question is whether the United States will risk its cities of New York, Florida, Washington for the sake of Lvov or Warsaw...? Somehow I doubt it.

[BAT-MENT]

Most likely you are right, you were given a stern warning from the very beginning; if you behave badly, NATO will strike Russia. We cannot fend off a total missile salvo with tomahawks; there will be very heavy losses. Regarding the nuclear response, none of the Russian elite will hit their assets and children in the West.

[shin]

From your logic it follows that the Presidents of Russia and Ukraine are conducting military operations between our countries (no one has declared war on anyone) in strict accordance with the conditions and requirements defined by the United States. Then answer me one question: “How many more years, in your opinion, will they encourage and control the self-destruction of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples so effectively planned by them?”

[cormorant]

Do you really think that NATO and the US will declare war on us if we destroy several Ukrop bridges? Maybe they will impose sanctions:))? If they wanted or could, they would have already declared it. The Kiev hydroelectric power station, isn't it a red line? It seems to me that the moment has simply not come yet when it is necessary to destroy all these bridges. There is no direct NATO intervention yet. If a serious mess starts, I am sure no one will doubt how expedient it is to use tactical nuclear charges or not. And they will fly into bridges and through tunnels and across Poland. For now, there are more delicious targets for Iskanders and shahids. We really are not at war for real yet. Even, as sad as it is to talk about all the losses, we still have the SVO.

[PavelT]

Let's assume that this exists.
But what exactly does Russia threaten the US with in response to crossing these “red lines”?
What exactly could frighten Russia (our leadership) so much?
Sanctions have already been introduced. Weapons have already been supplied to Ukraine.
US air strikes on the Ukrainian front? That's war, almost immediately nuclear.

Please list the threats that the US can use to frighten Russia.
What are these measures in your opinion?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Absolutely right, I agree with the author

On this issue, many agree with the author.
The problem is different - the guarantor does not agree with his capitalist accomplices. I suspect that Russian imperialists have a stake in Ukrainian business. So these same notorious bridges provide logistics, and therefore money, to the Russian imperialists.
Hence the conclusion: Something incredible must happen for the imperialists to destroy the bridges themselves, and therefore deprive themselves of their profits (money).

[shin]

The inexplicable preservation of strategic bridges across the Dnieper is precisely the best confirmation of the imperialist essence of this war. As for shares in business, in Ukraine, according to Ukrainian sources, there are from 900 to 3,6 thousand assets owned by Russian owners. from energy to agricultural business and catering. More specific here. https://dzen.ru/a/ZNc042IC1zKF4hm1

[sgrabik]

Well, this is no longer a secret, it is obvious that the oligarchs’ profiteering interests were involved here, as they say, one man’s war is another man’s mother!!!

[WIKI]

Quote: ZIF122

there is no political will to destroy them, or rather there is a complete ban on touching them!

I agree that there is a ban. You will not deny that negotiations between the West and Russia are ongoing. I think the ban is due to the red lines on that side. Alternatively, they may allow the use of long-range missiles on our territory.

[parma]

Why doesn’t anyone bother with the question that we simply CAN’T (!), that we don’t have the technical ability to do it? Our number of weapons with such a range is not too wide... and the bridge is not a warehouse or workshop... a miss of 5-6 meters from the center simply will not cause any damage! This means we need a larger number of missiles, some of which will be shot down, some will fail, etc. In addition, 10 pontoon bridges can be placed in the place of one destroyed Ukrainian Armed Forces very quickly and without any problems, their destruction will also be problematic... destroying bridges makes sense only if pressure is applied to the enemy at an adequate distance, when it is possible to destroy the pontoons and etc., etc.... when bridges are hundreds and thousands of kilometers from the LBS, destruction will not cause such the desired damage at a very large expenditure of effort and money. This is exactly what the Armed Forces of Ukraine are showing us near Kursk now...

[ZIF122]

I wonder how you can install a pontoon train. d bridge?

[parma]

Hmm... I don’t even know... what about standard equipment like NZHM-56? Just like in the photo... by the way, these are ours during exercises

[ZIF122]

According to your logic, it turns out that building permanent bridges is costly and expensive, but it’s better and faster to install pontoon bridges? Are they building capital bridges out of nothing to do?

[Foul skeptic]

According to your logic it turns out

No, it doesn’t.
You yourself came up with the “conclusion” for the person.
PS civil permanent floating (read pontoon) bridges are a very common type of bridge.

[parma]

According to my logic, the destruction of bridges is not a “silver bullet” and most likely will cost us much more than it will create problems for the Armed Forces of Ukraine... but why are you looking for logic without even being interested in how such problems are solved by the military.

[neland36]

Bridges are not being destroyed because the Ukrainian army is being crushed, and most importantly, the population is being squeezed out to the right bank of the Dnieper, so that refugees become a burden for Zelensky and the EU.

[Fan-fan]

And it is not necessary to destroy all the bridges at once; some must be left for now, so that Bandera’s supporters can use them to get to the right bank.

[shin]

Don’t write nonsense. Budanov has already shown how to “be able” to destroy bridges, at least partially and without great expense.

[Olive1]

It remains to be more specific: whose political will is lacking and why?

[Fan-fan]

Doesn’t anyone understand that Putin’s will is not enough?

[Olive1]

That's clear. Now explain why.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Of course, you can destroy bridges, which is not being done. But what if the Ukrainians begin to destroy our bridges in response (Krymsky does not count, since the Ukrainians believe that it is on their territory)? Then what to do? This should have been done earlier before the Ukrainians did not have the necessary missiles. And now we need to wage a total war with the destruction of everything that will speed up our victory. The SVO ended a long time ago, you can’t continue to pull this rubber, because... These are unnecessary deaths and people with disabilities. Now there is only war, and such a war that the West will shudder, otherwise they will continue to drive the Ukrainians to the LBS.

[shin]

.

[/quote]...if ukry start destroying our bridges in response..[quote]

Don’t worry, they started this a long time ago and are not going to stop. They don't care about our moral existence.

[MBRSS]

The bridges are clearly part of some kind of agreement. We will learn about this only after a radical change of power in Russia, i.e. socialist revolution (I hope).

[turembo]

A bit of a strange conclusion, if you can’t destroy bridges, then you need to create a new structure that also won’t destroy bridges. It’s just a dream to not have to work, but to also get paid. Maybe you don’t need to create something, but just start thinking, give an order, and destroy it, without all this unnecessary bureaucracy, democracy, and another structure from the windows of which bosses and high shoulder straps will soon begin to fall out of the windows due to the number and size....

[Prokop_Pork]

If there is such a solution for bridges, then it corresponds to the goals of the Northern Military District. And it even reveals these goals.

[Dedok]

If there is such a solution for bridges, then it corresponds to the goals of the Northern Military District. And it even reveals these goals.

say the truth ...

[svskor80]

It looks like the question should be asked directly to the president. There are no logical reasons why the bridges are still standing. And by the way, there are also railway transshipment points on the Ukrainian border. The port of Odessa is working. As long as commercial interests prevail, goals will be difficult to achieve.

[dmi.pris1]

Directly to the president? Can you imagine what it looks like? A flight to another planet?

[AdAstra]

But we don’t have gravitational pads to fly to another planet.

[bug120560]

Sergey, you are deeply mistaken in believing that there are no logically explainable reasons for the lack of attacks on bridges, and indeed the entire order of combat operations. It’s just that your logic, mine, and the majority of the population is directly opposite to the logic of the authorities.

[dimon642]

Here they are silent for the Kursk region. The Belgorod region has been under fire for a year. And where is the President, he is in the Kremlin, holding a video conference and drawing red lines.

[Nikolay Malyugin]

If ours were aggressively advancing, the Ukrainians themselves would blow up these bridges to slow down the advance of our troops. This is the law of war. Bridges are blown up in this case, and also to slow down the evacuation. But this is the work of the partisans. We don’t have our own partisans. And that’s why you have to think about how much damage can be caused to the enemy. I am not a big supporter of attacks on the enemy’s rear. I believe that all firepower should be concentrated on the line of combat contact. Although high-precision missiles can play the role of partisans, which did not happen to us.

[MBRSS]

It is not at all necessary to blow up bridges during a retreat. You can put concrete blocks on the canvas (dense laying), and shoot this place with Highmars. And then the attackers will immediately have a traffic jam of broken equipment on the bridge.

[parusnik]

Bridges, bridges... the right thing... But how to stop the Ukrainian Armed Forces from building fortifications in the Kursk region... No matter what later, they won’t say that it’s difficult because they built fortifications.

[Fan-fan]

If there are no bridges, then the Ukrainians will pull them down themselves, and not only from the Kursk region. For example, as soon as the Antonovsky Bridge disappeared, we immediately left Kherson.

[Per se.]

All that remains is to make the right decision and implement it.

Who will accept him? Now, the enemy has invaded the territory of the Kursk region, note that this is not ISIS, not thugs with the terrorist Basayev, this is a regular army. What we have is that they first report on the successful repulsion of the DRG, and then on the start of the CTO (counter-terrorism operation). SVO, WHO, only operations by our “surgeons” (or xеRurgov). It’s the third year of the war, we can’t liberate Donbass, so soon the Great Patriotic War will be shorter in terms of time. First, plans are announced for the complete “denazification” and “demilitarization” of Bandera’s Ukraine, then they look for some kind of negotiations, instead of demanding complete and unconditional surrender.

It's all muddy. Questions inevitably arise: what then is the true purpose of the SVO?
Maybe good money is being made from the Northern Military District, including the West? Secondly, if the goal of the Northern Military District is to bleed and ruin Russia (the way it is carried out), then this is generally a priority for the West, which has long wanted to see Russia in its grave, and a good task for the henpecked traitor-executors. Third, it was no longer possible not to intervene, the matter came to a head at our borders, it was necessary to save the reputation, and the PR itself, where the ratings had risen greatly, after 8 years of chewing snot, while the Nazis were killing Russians in the “self-proclaimed republics.”
We will probably soon find out what it really is.

[Gomunkul]

We'll probably find out soon.

Possibly, but it's not certain.

[crack]

It's all muddy. Questions inevitably arise: what then is the true purpose of the SVO?
Maybe good money is being made from the Northern Military District, including the West? Secondly, if the goal of the Northern Military District is to bleed and ruin Russia (the way it is carried out), then this is generally a priority for the West, which has long wanted to see Russia in its grave, and a good task for the henpecked traitor-executors.

War, even local, burns out the best part of society. The main task of the First and Second World Wars was precisely the destruction of our best gene pool. They will never calm down at our expense, because one hundred and forty million occupy the territory of one sixth of the entire landmass, and at the same time this part is even offensively full of natural resources. They don't need us either as slaves or even as cattle.

[BAT-MENT]

Read Zhirinovsky’s books “Ivan Smell Your Soul” and “The Troubles of the Russian People”; these scenarios and their reasons are clearly spelled out there. It turns out that the author was right, apparently. Otherwise, what other explanations can I have for what is happening?

[Ross xnumx]

All that remains is to make the right decision and implement it.

It is useless to say that the Supreme Commander, who has not made the right decisions for two and a half years, will suddenly see the light and show strategic thinking. Not only has the entire military forces been reduced to delivering retaliatory strikes and creating the illusion that no one is at war in the country and there is only peace and grace all around, but the armed forces are also deprived of the right to develop their own operations.
It is impossible for people who do not have any military education to decide and plan any offensive or defensive measures.
Politicians must do politics, and the military must fight.
It is the politicians (legislative and executive branches) who are responsible for security in the country and for the adoption and enforcement of laws during the conduct of the SVO.
So far no one has answered for the VSUK invasion of the Kursk region. No one retaliated against the Nazi shootings of civilians.
All that remains is to determine who in our country will take responsibility and the right to make the right decisions and who they will rely on when implementing them.

[cmax]

On August 5, 1943, the first fireworks display of the Second World War took place in honor of the liberation of Belgorod by the Red Army. On the night of August 5-6, 2024, the fascists of the Ukrainian Armed Forces entered the Kursk region. This is how we live. IMHO.

[Gomunkul]

All that remains is to determine who in our country will take responsibility and the right to make the right decisions and who they will rely on when implementing them.

There is no need to look for or identify anyone, there is such a person:

Constitution of the Russian Federation. 82 Article

1. When taking office, the President of the Russian Federation takes the following oath to the people:

"I swear, when exercising the powers of the President of the Russian Federation, to respect and protect the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, to observe and protect the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to protect the sovereignty and independence, security and integrity of the state, to faithfully serve the people."

[Per se.]

Quote: Gomunkul

There is no need to look for or identify anyone, such a person exists

Ja, ja, nature, just, whose “Stirlitz” is the person, and for whom... So, the question is open.

He is surrounded by people's rumors,
He is not a toy - he is alive!
In his hands is the key to happiness,
And that's why he's so lucky
All the songs are sung about him,
Tell me his name!

[Gomunkul]

whose person is this, and for whom...

Clearly not who he says he is.

society judges people by what they do for others.

[S.Z.]

The author is right about one thing - he doesn’t understand anything.

However, the whole article is a collection of cliches and nonsense, based on other cliches and nonsense.

[Vic Vic]

Are you from the General Staff?
Share your smart thoughts on the essence of the issue, please.

[Vic Vic]

When criticizing, suggest.
Your comment text is too short

[S.Z.]

On the merits of the question, the answer is simple - the General Staff believes that the destruction of the bridges will not in any way affect the current situation on the LBS, and there is not a single calculation in the article that would refute this idea of ​​the General Staff.

At the same time, our troops destroy bridges when the need arises - the Ukrainian Armed Forces do the same.

The idea of ​​destroying all (!) or the largest bridges and then the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not be able to be supplied by the LBS is stupid in its essence, and its stupidity is obvious. The article does not even list the traffic patterns of military cargo across the bridges and does not list the probable traffic patterns of their movement in the event of their failure - it’s just stupidity to blow up something without calculating what the result of the actions will be. I think the General Staff has such calculations, that’s why we don’t take on bridges.

Our forces are crippling Ukraine's energy infrastructure - the article does not say what percentage of resources will have to be redirected from this task to bridges and with what probability the goal will be achieved.

Finally, the Author does not say anything about the speed of restoration of bridges, which (except for railway ones) can be restored quite quickly as temporary crossings or simply built as pontoon bridges.

The idea of ​​destroying bridges and winning the war is stupid in itself. I don’t know whether it is possible to win the war by destroying the energy sector, but this task has already begun.

[Vic Vic]

All historical military experience suggests that bridges are a priority goal.
Calculations of how the destruction of bridges will affect the supply of troops may or may not be made, but if there is a fact of using a bridge in enemy logistics, then the bridge is the goal. How are Ukrainian troops supplied, by air, by water? What we read is railway and road transport, respectively, there are bridges along the way.
The enemy seeks to destroy our bridges (even besides the Crimean one) in order to complicate the supply of troops.
Only a political decision, but not a military one, can speak about the need not to touch the bridges.

[S.Z.]

“All historical military experience suggests that bridges are a priority goal.
Calculations of how the destruction of bridges will affect the supply of troops may or may not be made, but if there is a fact of using a bridge in enemy logistics, then the bridge is the goal. How are Ukrainian troops supplied, by air, by water? What we read is railway and road transport, respectively, there are bridges along the way.
The enemy seeks to destroy our bridges (even besides the Crimean one) in order to complicate the supply of troops.
Only a political, but not a military decision can speak of the need to leave the bridges alone."

The devil is in the details.

Bridges are destroyed when this can directly affect the course of hostilities. Destroying bridges deep in the rear makes no sense. This can happen with a huge advantage and a supply of weapons, when higher priority targets have already been hit. We don't have such a situation. Abstract reasoning, such as “reinforcements are coming across the bridges, which means they must be destroyed,” is reasoning at a level below high school. Taking into account the Unified State Examination - at the high school level.

Strategic operations should not be carried out without calculations, and the destruction of bridges and other communications in the rear is a strategic operation.

So bridges are not destroyed precisely for military reasons - after all, no one will spare electrical substations, without which civilians will experience inconvenience and suffer.

On the other hand, SVO is a political action that has exclusively political goals, carried out by military means. It is not surprising that politicians set goals and objectives, so that political goals are in any case more important than military ones. So the argument makes no sense.

[Vic Vic]

Here (in the chat and in our correspondence) there is not an argument, but an exchange of opinions. This, in my opinion, is the main point of the chat. We will assume that we have exchanged opinions, and value judgments about high school are unnecessary.

[Vic Vic]

If anything, the minus is not mine. I don’t understand at all when people are downvoted for another opinion that does not go against the conventional, general mood of the site or for questions for which the answers are not extremely obvious.

[Fan-fan]

The idea of ​​destroying bridges and winning the war is stupid in itself.

So the USSR defeated Hitler with its stupidity, giving orders to the partisans to destroy bridges? Did the USSR fight stupidly?

[PavelT]

After all, no one will spare the electrical substations, without which civilians will experience inconvenience and suffer.

How is that? Putin spares the Ukrainian power plants, he himself officially said this in a conversation with Lukashenko on April 11, 2024:

http://special.kremlin.ru/catalog/countries/BY/events/73852

«In the energy sector, unfortunately, we have recently seen a series of attacks on our energy facilities and have been forced to respond. I want to emphasize: we, even For humanitarian reasons, no attacks were carried out in the winter. I mean, they wanted to leave social institutions, hospitals, and so on without power supply. But after a series of strikes on our energy facilities were forced to respond»

I understand that for him humanism is more important than victory in the war... It's sad.

[PavelT]

Look online to see how long it took the Serbs to restore their bridges across the Danube that were bombed by the Americans in 1999. And they did it AFTER the war, in peacetime.

[Victor Leningradets]

Good day, Andrey!
The idea of ​​demolishing capital bridges is good, although not new.
The Dnieper is indeed a natural barrier that plays a role in supplying the Left Bank group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, the role of bridges and dams in this is key.
However, before writing about the destruction method, it is not harmful to turn to the experience of the past.

Another argument of the “justifiers” is the strength of Ukrainian (read: Soviet) bridges - they say this can only be done with the help of nuclear weapons, carpet bombing with free-falling bombs, or detonation of a certain number of tons of powerful explosives by sappers.

It is a very dishonest technique to attribute your own incorrect thoughts to your opponent, and then subject all this to destructive criticism.
What is stated relates only to nuclear weapons, since:
- carpet bombing with free-falling bombs is used only to destroy cities or partisan areas with complete air supremacy;
- undermining of bridges by sappers is carried out when the territory is abandoned by the troops operating the bridge themselves, DRG with tons of TNT in luggage - a plot from Hollywood.
In World War II, the bridge and dam specialists were the British. They used free-falling high-power bombs Tallboy and Grand Slam, weighing 5,4 and 10 tons respectively, as well as a bouncing bomb.
Considering that the latter is an anachronism in modern conditions, we should turn to the FAB-5000 and FAB-9000 we have in stock.
Since the author correctly notes that our bomber aircraft do not have the ability to appear above the target, it is necessary to provide for the modification of these bombs into projectile aircraft like the American GLSDB, or, which is closer, like the German Fi-103, better known under the propaganda name V- 1 (Vergeltungswaffe Eins) colloquially V-1.
The bomb serves as a power frame for a streamlined carbon fiber body and airframe. The body contains a control system and crown molded fuel tanks. The engine (PuVRD or low-power turbofan) is located on a pylon above the body, which reduces the infrared signature when observed from the ground. Due to the absence of special requirements for maneuverability, the hull and airframe can be made using stealth technology. The aerodynamic quality of the product should be close to 30, which will ensure the defeat of any target in Europe.
The launch must be carried out from the back of the carrier transport aircraft outside the enemy air defense coverage area. After launch, such a bomb goes into long-term autonomous flight mode, and when it reaches a target, it dives at it, burrowing into the ground to a great depth. WWII practice showed that such a bomb, during a buried explosion, causes a seismic wave capable of destroying the nearest bridge supports. A similar effect was observed in relation to dams.
In conclusion, I would like to note that, firstly, the same problems can be solved much more easily by the use of nuclear weapons. At the same time, an air explosion is capable of laying down the deck of a kilometer-long bridge, and a buried explosion at the base of the dam guarantees its complete destruction. However, to make full use of the enemy’s global disruption of logistics, highly mobile strike units are needed to divide his front into focal groups, and airborne forces, which, in conditions of air supremacy (the use of nuclear weapons against airfields and air defenses) must capture key objects in the depths of the defense.

[Sergey_K]

More fantasies, Manilovism, a nine-ton gliding bomb... Why not the flying "Peter the Great"? We have enough real means to destroy bridges and other infrastructure. The question is making a DECISION to destroy. It is NOT and the next question is why?

[Victor Leningradets]

What is Manilovism?
There is a bomb, carbon fiber molds for hundreds of tons are available, a guidance system is in use. A turbofan engine for cruise missiles is mass-produced, and a turbofan engine is as simple as the truth. The carrier aircraft is any transport aircraft with a payload of 10 - 18 tons. If there is a desire.
Moreover, a maximum of 100 such bombs are needed. In combination with the massive use of UAVs, such a bomb will be able to break through to any target, and it is almost impossible to destroy it in the final section.
So it's a matter of small things. Have the will to use such ammunition. And the experience of WWII speaks of their high efficiency.

[Alex66]

Let's imagine why effective measures are not taken to achieve a quick victory, but the population continues to be crushed on both sides in frontal assaults. Who benefits from a reduction in the size of the indigenous healthiest population?

[Mazunga]

uh howl zashem so say birat))? There are a lot of people in Tashkent, and in the Isho region there are a lot more Kharyp where the big guy sent them

[Gomunkul]

Alex66(Alexander)

As an introduction to answering your question:

“everything is known by comparison”

Answer::

“We still live according to the ideology laid down during the time of Yeltsin. This ideology says that Russia does not need any ideology, the people are an amorphous mass, and it is necessary to integrate Russia into the world political and economic space as an appendage of raw materials. This is a flawed ideology ", leading us to a dead end. Yeltsin could not become the kind of leader who led the country to a new path of development. His name is rather associated with destruction. Gaidar and Yeltsin “handled well” the destruction, but did not propose any creative idea," says. Nakanune.RU President of the Rosagromash Association, co-chairman of the MEF Konstantin Babkin.
“It seems to me that this was a kind of utopia. Building a market at the end of the 20th, beginning of the 21st century is the same as tightening the sails of a nuclear-powered ship whose nuclear engine has gone out and throwing the engine overboard to make it easier,” he says in a conversation with Nakanune.RU political scientist, professor Sergei Chernyakhovsky - The market is a system of moving with the wind, where the trend blows, you sail there. In the 15-17th century, yes, it worked well, and then steam ships, diesel ships, and nuclear ships appeared. when you already had a nuclear-powered ship, but you had to deal with problems in the engine - only a crazy person, or someone who wants to stop the whole thing and slowly pull it apart, can seriously do this.

[james]

I will repeat 3 times:
Looking at the SVO, all the time it was held, one gets the feeling that its goal is not denazification, but de-Slavization and the settlement of territories with “valuable” specialists.

[S.Z.]

Quote: james

I will repeat 3 times:
Looking at the SVO, all the time it was held, one gets the feeling that its goal is not denazification, but de-Slavization and the settlement of territories with “valuable” specialists.

This is not a goal, but a result.

[Alexander Ra]

Bridges are not our enemies. There is an incorrect emphasis on the destruction of infrastructure when, as we see, there is no destruction of the sources of Nazi generation - the priority should be in the destruction of pathogenic information and its carriers. The mystery is that these sources are not touched. This is not a strategic mistake, but something else. They were drawn into an arms race in a conflict with 52 countries, which were collectively more powerful in all respects. The main “mistake” of what is happening is neglecting the biological aspect. It is necessary to surgically cut off the pathogen in a short time and treat the people for a long time, isolating the territory from external well-wishers. Without the necessary tension of the entire country, no radical change or improvement can take place.

[Sergey_K]

Author! The main component is missing - the decision made! Why is it not there - that is the QUESTION! And the decision must be made!

[Vadim S]

The defenders of the bridges are denouncing Shu here, of course: “the Soviet legacy, how can we then cross them and then restore them, yes, I once built one of them” and so on, which I haven’t seen in the comments under such articles for three years. Our war is very strange, we are soft-bodied, we always hope for something, we always feel sorry for someone.

[MMM-642]

Why don't we destroy bridges across the Dnieper?

Apparently because the goals of the North Military District are not the seizure of territories, but denazification. If you dismantle all the bridges, then the ukrofashiks with their supporting foreigners, even across the Dnieper, will crap for centuries. And so they have the opportunity to die in a fair fight

[Million]

Are bridges protected so that the commercial interests of some “respected” people do not suffer?

Or maybe something else is missing, vitally important, necessary for making really serious decisions?

Both options are correct.
Sometimes I catch myself thinking that the SVO was started not for what we were told, but for some other purpose, to harm Russia.
I would like to make a mistake.

[Olive1]

Not even to harm. Worse

[vvvjak]

Bridges again. I can remind you of one of the main goals of the SVO - demilitarization Ukraine. Well, who said that it is easier to do this on the right side of the Dnieper (if the bridges are destroyed) than on the left? At the same time, with a very high probability, if the bridges are destroyed, we will get a humanitarian catastrophe. What next, how to liberate the rest of Ukraine? Through Belarus or a naval landing on Odessa (with the neutralization of the Russian fleet on the Black Sea, this is a bit of suicide). I’m not exactly rooting for the Russian Defense Ministry, but the problem needs to be looked at from all sides.

[Vic Vic]

The bridges will be blown up by the skakuas themselves when (if) we are ready to capture the bridges in order to cross them ourselves

[vvvjak]

This is if the fighting continues as it is today. Or there may be wide enveloping strikes, landings in the depths of the defense, DRGs, etc. etc. But for this you need an overwhelming advantage, especially in personnel, and for this you need to either knock out the enemy’s l/s or build up your own (consider carrying out a new wave of mobilization). And for the destruction of enemy personnel, the left bank is much better suited (the enemy has a larger logistics arm and we have less, a long defense front, a relatively more loyal local population). Well, I hope you understand me.

[Fan-fan]

What next, how to liberate the rest of Ukraine?

I didn’t think that there were still people who believed in the liberation of all of Ukraine. Here the Donetsk region has not been liberated for three years, and now the Kursk region also needs to be liberated.

[Maks1995]

Everything goes according to plan.
Nato is growing.
The population is declining. There are fewer and fewer Russians.
Dependence on China, etc. growing.
Rich markets for resources are being lost
The gap between rich and poor is growing.
Everyone does not hesitate with the EDRA line pressed to the nail (Strelkov).

Compared to this, what are some bridges, bases, property of oligarchs (theirs and ours in Ukraine)?
everything fits into the PLAN.
As ordered, so it will be. If they don't bomb bridges, it means someone needs it.
The Antonovsky Bridge was also not destroyed for a long, long time, according to the media. It almost happened by accident...

[Khibiny Plastun]

It turns out that Putin feels sorry for the bridges, but he doesn’t give a damn about the lives of our soldiers and civilians, including children, because these bridges carry supplies, food, and equipment.

[deathtiny]

Why is such a “smart” author still not the Minister of Defense or the Commander of the Armies?
if everything is so simple, and you can even calculate on a napkin how much and what is needed for each bridge))

[Declarant]

This topic was already discussed in an article by the Reporter in December 2023. There were 5 versions presented there - Why?
Personally, I am for version 4.

Version four is business. As you know, Russia in Ukraine is not waging a holy war of liberation, but a special operation to help the people of Donbass, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. This means that there are no moral and ethical obstacles to trading hydrocarbons and nuclear fuel with NATO countries, or concluding grain and ammonia deals with the Kyiv regime.

Even before the start of the SVO, the Russian corporation VSMPO-Avisma, the world's leading titanium producer, received most of its raw materials from Ukraine. In particular, in 2020 this share was 80%, in 2021 it dropped to 46%, and in 2022 it fell to almost zero. However, the Ukrainian business publication RBC-Ukraine claims the opposite:

The Russian defense industry continues to receive raw materials for titanium production from Ukraine. It would seem that against the backdrop of full-scale and open Russian aggression, this is simply impossible. However, data received by RBC-Ukraine from insiders working in the titanium industry confirms that a significant part of titanium raw materials exported from Ukraine ends up in the Russian Federation through intermediaries.

They're probably lying. However, titanium already produced in Russia before the Northern Military District was exported to Europe precisely through the Ukrainian railway system. We do not know whether this channel has survived today. Surely not.

[Fan-fan]

There are 29 bridges across the Dnieper in Ukraine, 12 of them are railway, so the Internet says. Therefore, the author’s calculations say that we will not have enough high-precision missiles. On the other hand, it would be necessary to check. Although I remember there were reports that ours tried to destroy the bridge in Zatoka and failed, the Ukrainians posted a photo where the rails on the bridge were only bent from the impact of the Caliber, they say that the other calibers missed.

[ivan2022]

The "holes in the bridges" argument is interesting.
It is known that a high-explosive charge does not make holes even in the ground in a field, or everywhere on city streets. He makes funnels.
Why does he always make 30 centimeter holes in bridges?

[Pavlenko Valery]

Author, what you wrote is bullshit. Why, yes, because you didn’t take into account one thing, that our president is not a fascist, but a HUMAN. Well, we will demolish dams, dams, and what, how many peaceful, innocent civilians will die, huh? And those who are for Russia. Don't be a fascist with such thoughts.

[kor1vet1974]

Bridges and dams on the Dnieper should have been destroyed two years ago, but that’s how it is.

And then I remembered: “Even if it’s a crazy idea, don’t act rashly. Call us quickly through the bastard head physician! With respect... Date. Signature. Answer us, otherwise, if you don’t respond, We’ll write... to Sportloto!” (with ) All that remains is to make the right decision and implement it.

[tatra]

Yeltsin and Putin got the ideal anti-Soviet people for their purposes, to whom they could instill anything, force them to praise or fiercely hate whomever was beneficial to them.

[Foul skeptic]

Only one bridge across the Dnieper was destroyed - Antonovsky, and it was destroyed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU)...
...not with nuclear weapons, not with hundreds of heavy concrete-piercing free-falling bombs, but with a couple of dozen Excalibur high-precision projectiles and HIMARS high-precision missiles with relatively low-power warheads.

Author, the Antonovsky Bridge was destroyed by our sappers during the retreat.

With such a low CEP of 1–2 meters

The SVO showed that open data on the CEP of our OTRK and KR underestimate the CEP (real 10-15 m), and on the CEP of Western missiles, on the contrary, overestimate the CEP (real 3-4 m).
Despite the fact that KVO is just an R50. According to the law of normal distribution, it is possible to focus on a guaranteed hit, considering the probability of 98,5% as such, only on an area of ​​half a football field.

judging by open data, Kh-38 aircraft missiles were used for this, with a not very powerful warhead weighing 250 kilograms.

One caveat. These were versions with a laser seeker, allowing the missile to be placed in a 3x3 meter square. That is, where you need to go, and not where you’re lucky.
I think there is no need to further explain why these bridges were within a couple of tens of kilometers from the front line.

The topic of Ukrainian bridges has long evoked extremely strong emotions among Russian citizens interested in military topics

Therefore, Internet “experts” and “journalists”, at the moment of crisis of the genre, shake off the dust of a proven topic and begin to use the emotions of citizens for another empty “analysis” and earn a pretty penny.

[Idle_piston]

Personally, I have not heard a single answer from officials, whether with or without shoulder straps, why the bridges across the Dnieper River are not destroyed, such is the official dumbness.

[S.Z.]

Quote: Idle_piston

Personally, I have not heard a single answer from officials, whether with or without shoulder straps, why the bridges across the Dnieper River are not destroyed, such is the official dumbness.

But I have not heard a single question sent to the General Staff about bridges. Chatter on TV and the Internet does not count.

[PavelT]

Let me remind you that the same thing happened for YEARS with another interesting question from Russian citizens to the government. Namely: "why isn't a strict visa regime being introduced with the countries of the Transcaucasus and Central Asia?"

All the bosses were either silent or talking nonsense.

Putin kept silent for YEARS (they didn't let him ask anyone such a question at press conferences). But then he accidentally let it slip during a visit to China (he relaxed, apparently) in 2013: https://www.rbc.ru/politics/08/10/2013/570410cf9a794761c0ce27ff
"A visa regime within the CIS would mean that we are pushing away the former republics of the Soviet Union. And we need to attract them, not push them away, but we need to make this process more civilized"- but the visa regime is a more civilized process! We have always had a visa regime with the civilized EU, USA and Canada.
Then Putin began to talk about it more openly within the country: https://aif.ru/politics/russia/1017416 - Zhirinovsky failed with this.

What am I doing?
Maybe Putin will accidentally let it slip again during a trip abroad and explain there why our troops They don't even try to destroy the bridges across the Dnieper?

[Foxnova]

And everyone thought that we blew up the bridge during the retreat. But it turns out there are a couple of dozen khimars. But the people didn’t even know

[BigBoss]

I agree with the author 100%. Two spans on the Crimean Bridge were demolished by an ordinary truck with explosives. What prevents us from doing the same is an open and most lousy question!

[guest]

Quote: BigBoss

What prevents us from doing the same

Not what, but who is interfering, that is the right question.

[Al Asad]

In my opinion, there are traitors and criminals in the highest echelons of power in Russia.
That's the whole answer
Banal to the point of madness

[Vladislav Markov_2]

Here they like to fire hundreds of rockets at electric booths, which will be repaired in a week, and at hotels with mobile phones.

[PavelT]

And also for very crazy purposes like grain terminals in Ukrainian ports (so that grain is not sold), above-ground structures of underground gas storage facilities in western Ukraine.

https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2024/06/02/vs-rossii-nanesli-udar-po-krupneyshemu-phg-ukrainy-gde-hranit-gaz-es-merkuris

https://rg.ru/2024/04/11/mig-31-udarili-kinzhalami-po-strategicheskomu-gazohranilishchu-pod-lvovom.html

It's complete absurdity: they themselves pump 40-42 million m3 of their gas to Ukraine every day + pay the Ukrainians 1 billion dollars a year for transit to the EU, and the Ukrainians steal this gas from them, but we will destroy their underground storage facilities with missiles, instead of turning off the gas!

[Krilion]

bridges and tunnels will not be destroyed.. there are traitors in the leadership..

[guest]

units of the Russian Armed Forces had to leave their bridgehead on the left bank of the Dnieper.

Actually on the right bank. As I see, such stupid typos happen not only to me.

[guest]

If there was a minus from the author of the article, then I in no way meant that the author was stupid or the article was stupid, it was purely about a typo, of which I myself have quite a few. As for the article, it is very correct.

[Alexander Rasmukhambetov]

But you tell our Supreme Commander-in-Chief, maybe he’ll start.

[VB]

"How pathetic is the jester on the throne of the king,
How stupid are the people who allowed this!
The country is ruled by a jester a little shalya,
People laugh, tormented by pain.
The jester forgot about what he promised -
He promised the people peace and happiness,
But first of all, he sold the land,
To all those who were close to power.
What a pitiful jester on the throne of a king
How stupid are the people who allowed it -
The earth still rotates
Well, the people - the people fired our jester...

"How pitiful is the jester on the king's throne,
How stupid are the people who allowed this...
How terrible is the jester on the king's throne,
How stupid are the people who allowed this.
What is the moral of this...fate:
The people come out... happy with the king.
You can’t blame the people for this,
After all, he chose such a jester for the throne.
People looked right into his mouth,
But then, alas, ... all the lies are not visible in him.
The ruler can take with him
To your very real hell, to your abode.
Not to Paradise... where apples will bloom...
The king deceived everyone, ... offended the people." Robert Burns

[Olive1]

I hope Burns wrote about Zelensky.
If not, convict and imprison for 7 years

[nordscout]

We can, here, on VO, or in other “publics”, “break spears” regarding the fate of Ukroreich’s bridges, roads, tactics and strategy for conducting the so-called “chronic” SVO in the acute stage, there is a certain “plan” for its management taking into account, perhaps, all those interested, both from our and the “other” Sides, where we are all, most likely, just a “means” for achieving certain goals and assigned tasks, simply put, the same “consumable” as Ukrainians, however, we must pay tribute to their propaganda, agitation and ideological work among the masses - everything there is an order of magnitude cooler and more motivated, which once again confirms the thesis about the need for a serious ideology promoted to the masses in order to achieve certain goals... Ukrainians have been successfully and purposefully doing this for the last 30 years... The result is obvious, which cannot be said about us... And the Battle of Kursk 2.0 is the embodiment in “bronze and marble” of the role and place of the ideological component in the modern world order of society and individual countries, in particular... And we, with the ideological “core” and with it (ideology), as such, have not decided to this day, “Rushing” from Orthodoxy and nationality to the “Divine destiny of the Slavs”, then to the slogan “The Fatherland is in danger, but we ask you not to worry about the new Russian “boyars” ....” The old, decades-tested Soviet ideology, with its uplifting Orthodox beginning, was modestly and “quietly” “withdrawn from circulation”, even at the level of the current Constitution of the Russian Federation, which was written, at one time, under the vigilant “eye” of the State. The US Department of Defense and the Clinton Administration, who doesn’t know..... And we are all about bridges, roads, cities, worries.... Something like this...

[Foul skeptic]

Ukrainians have been successfully and purposefully doing this for the last 30 years...

Come on, nothing was particularly promoted to the masses there. There were, so to speak, clubs of interests for a tiny stratum, which included, on the one hand, outright marginals, on the other, intellectual schizophrenics, who did not fit in with each other at all, just confusion and vacillation. However, just like in Russia, here on the site they once showed joint photos of the same Dugin and Korchinsky.
Even Yushchenko, no matter how much he puffed in the field of “Ukrainianism,” was still ineffective.
The glue and cement for Ukrainian nationalism (and not in the form that was nurtured by individuals like Zheka Karas (since I mentioned outright marginals) or the late Farion (since I mentioned intellectual schizophrenics)) turned out to be the events of 2014 and, especially, 2022.

[nordscout]

“Disgusting skeptic” (you have to come up with something like that for yourself...), and you are talking about purposeful work among the masses, even at the level of “interest clubs for a tiny stratum”... But, unfortunately, after these so-called “clubs,” Ukraine jumped up and down en masse in the squares shouting “Moskolyak to Gilyak” and went in torchlight processions with portraits of Bandera... And what is this if not a well-organized and well-organized ideological education among the masses??? ?? And all THIS was long before the SVO... It’s a pity that you still didn’t understand about ideology and how they work with it... And if there, in Ukraine, “nothing was particularly promoted to the masses,” there would not be the current Ukroreich , fanatical motivated "meat" assaults and the current Battle of Kursk 2.0.

[Foul skeptic]

But, unfortunately, after these so-called “clubs,” Ukraine jumped up and down en masse in the squares shouting “Moskolyak to Gilyak” and started torchlight processions with portraits of Bandera... And what is this if not well carried out to the masses and perfectly organized ideological education?????

No, this is not mass ideological education. This is only the result of the inertia of the bulk of the population (which is precisely evidence of the lack of cohesion that arises when an ideology takes root) multiplied by the actions of the organizers of the coup, who used students who for money they shouted only what they were told to shout. And who didn’t care what they shouted or did, as long as they paid. They did the same thing with the help of students in 2004. Moreover, the same students shouted opposite slogans, today for Tymoshenko, tomorrow for Yanukovych, depending on whose recruiters raided the dormitories in the evening. A money, it's not about the idea.

[nordscout]

Timur, I’ll try to answer briefly... It’s they (money), “beloved”, that always “walk” next to the idea and ideology as a whole and its particulars... Another question is what role they play in this idea.. If money is the only and banal GOAL for which the idea (ideological education) is “tailored”, then “torch marches” and “horses” and the Russian mass “don’t care” cultivated in Russia for the last 30 years... And, when, money is just a tool for achieving the goal, then - “Get up, huge country, get up for mortal combat.....”, kilometer-long queues at “Komsomol members - volunteers...”, “Molodogvardeytsy” from Krasnodon, Alexandra Matrosovs and heroic tank crews with Kursk Bulge.... Something like this, dear Timur, he is also a “vile skeptic” (brrrrrryyyy...)...

[Olive1]

So many questions, but only one answer. But this is an article of the Criminal Code

[BAI]

why bridges are not destroyed - 2 answer options
1. cowardice. There is an agreement not to touch the bridges, otherwise the West will do something terrible.
2. betrayal. Northern Military District planners do not want Russia to win

[nordscout]

BAI, you would be an adviser to Gerasimov or directly to the Supreme... There would be no price for you there... You look and chronic SVO, in the acute stage, would quickly finish and continue, with the entire “Russian world”, to complete building “socially” - oriented capitalism with a Gagarin smile.....

[Fan-fan]

why bridges are not destroyed - 2 answer options

I’ll add a third option - our military is not stupid after all and was able to calculate that there are many bridges, but we have few missiles, so they reported to the Supreme Commander that they could not do this. You can’t officially say this, it’s the same as admitting your weakness.

[PavelT]

So the General Staff of the Russian Federation should not waste missiles on such nonsense as:
underground gas storage facilities of the Ukrainians (where exactly our stolen gas is pumped), as grain terminals (during a grain deal),
power steering building (Budanov survived anyway),
the coastal span of the Antonovsky Bridge (on our bank), under which 20-30 Ukrainians were hiding (July 1.07.2023, XNUMX),
...
and look, in 1.5-2 years 80 missiles will accumulate for 20 bridges across the Dnieper!

[Bayun]

Recently, comments highlighted why the Russian Federation does not bomb the Ukrainian energy sector. The answer is extremely simple: it, like the pipe, belongs to oligarchs with Russian citizenship.

Ukrainians - even the juntas - are not the OWNERS of Ukraine. It is logical that the Russian Federation does not bomb the property of its oligarchs and oligarchs from friendly countries in the country! For example, the metallurgy of the Indians in Krivoy Rog and the arable black soil of China.

In what is happening, war (and its strategy) is No. 3. No. 1 - Politics, No. 2 - Money. This is the answer to the question of the Dear Author: “Why doesn’t the obvious from a military point of view happen?”

[Russian Patriot]

God bless you. At least someone sensibly explained what was happening.

[tabex]

Heh, I suggest that the armchair experts send an official request to the General Staff with this question. It’s a disgrace, the people are in confusion, they can’t eat from excitement.

[ivan2022]

And the people are doing the right thing by being in confusion. Because he senses that in the end it will be he who will have to sort everything out.

[Victor Alien]

Well, no one forced people to praise and buy imported goods - they themselves got hooked on the needle, and that’s what they got. The Georgians have already understood what the rest are not quite sure about. There were a couple of our films where they showed what they do to such people who don’t care about the country. And science fiction writers show the consequences of wrong decisions in management, and many follow them as a plan of action. No one thinks about what the film is really about.

[dnepropetrovsk]

At the beginning of the Northern Military District, that bridge, which is in the first photo in the article, was already attacked with missiles. I don't know the result.

[ivan2022]

In Russia, everything is the other way around.
Today I read that in Primorye the result is known: two bridges collapsed at once. And who did it, no one knows.

[Russian Patriot]

Apparently, there is some kind of agreement. Which no one knows about yet.

[futurohunter]

But no one thought of a fairly simple solution: the same missiles can deliver one simple thing to destroy a bridge: 2 floating charges connected by a cable. The rocket falls upstream, near the bridge, the charges are disengaged and separated in different directions. Such a coupling floats downstream. When the cable collides with a bridge support, the cable wraps around it, bringing the charges closer to the support. I immediately answer the criticism:
1. The charges will be shot by the guards - we calculate the buoyancy so that they are under water, but do not sink
2. The charges will not reach the bridge - we make the structure self-propelled, we select the shape of the floats so that they are oriented with the flow.
3. The charges will float past the supports - we throw a lot of them into the river - something will float, the effect of many explosions will be more destructive
4. One charge hits the support - then the fuse on it is triggered, which initiates the second charge

[Totor5]

Bridges are not destroyed for one reason - for the same reason that Zelensky and his entourage, NATO tourists, the Rada along with its vocalists, power plants and dams are not destroyed.
This reason is SVO! Everyone understands that this is not a war, but rather a strange war or a strange military operation.

[61-th]

War may be strange, but the two hundredth and three hundredth are real! And the longer the war drags on, the more losses there will be.

[BAT-MENT]

Russian physicist, professor and university teacher Anatoly Volyntsev wrote an appeal to the presidential administration with a scientific justification for blowing up the Beskydy tunnel with a low-power nuclear charge. From a scientific point of view, everything is justified, the sacrifices will be minimal, the proposal is sound. I wonder what the answer was to the professor? This is an official appeal addressed to the president.

[61-th]

"I wonder what the professor's answer was?"
- "We are not like that."

[tabex]

It's funny to God. When there are one hundred and five hundred calibers, then we can probably spend a thousand on each bridge, but for now, I think there are other more important goals. Collect money for “your” calibers, and go wherever you want.

[nedgen]

Dear author, there was still 1 (one) strike on the bridges. Iskander struck the already blown up Antonovsky Bridge because Ukrainian Armed Forces militants were hiding under it. The strike was from just one Iskander and as a result the unexploded flight from just one missile CRASHED. So there ARE opportunities. There is no will, or rather desire, to spoil relations with important people who continue to export through Krajina!!! That is why the Beskydy tunnel is still working properly.

[Victor Alien]

Do all the bridge fuses from the sofa have all the complete information that the president and the general staff possess?! There are not even travel tacticians here, let alone strategists. But you still need to reach the level of geostrategy, think a little further than a year, two, three or even 10 years. It takes a long time to describe and a lot - a rhetorical topic about something that in reality can never be known reliably.

[Fan-fan]

There are not even travel tacticians here, let alone strategists.

You are mistaken, there are former military officers and even retired senior officers who are well versed in tactics and strategy. Although most people have little understanding of military affairs, remember how almost all the commentators here rejoiced at the fictitious story about the “Khibiny”, they say that they instantly turned off the American destroyer

[Victor Alien]

Even if so, what will they say about the real cost of iron for the military and the prices at which the defense industry plants receive this metal?! At one of the events, current active officers were a little shocked by such pricing. Here you have the level of knowledge and understanding of what, why and why. Khibiny turned off the aircraft - but absolutely all the drones at the front cannot. Here is another riddle for you - why is it so and not otherwise. Not every sergeant, having become a general, understands absolutely all the plans of the authorities. A supercomputer cannot calculate people, but you here can, supposedly, someone's plans.

[Stardock]

I will express my dissenting and unpopular opinion here.
Let me remind the present and former military here of a banal thing - war is the resolution of political conflicts by military means.
You all obey, must obey, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Putin.
In an address on February 24, 22, he said the following, quote: Its goal (its own) is to protect people who have been subjected to abuse and genocide by the Kyiv regime for eight years. And for this, we will strive for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, as well as bringing to justice those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation.
At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.
End of quote.

Therefore, dear military men, there is no need to make excuses - blow up and destroy everything, but you need to follow orders.
I’ll quote it again. - protect people.
Another quote from Putin from December 21.12. 2022 where he called the Ukrainian people brotherly.
Push. There is no people closer related to the Russians than the Ukrainians. They are our neighbors forever.
And you dream of leaving 46 million people on a scorched earth? Do you think at least a little about tomorrow, about your children?
We must follow the orders of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
Who does not agree?

[PavelT]

There aren't 46 million people there. Not for a long time.
There are now less than 20 million people there.

“According to closed data, the number of active mobile users in Ukraine is 16 million, and active SIM cards are about 25 million.
There are currently about 18-19 million people left in Ukraine, says former Ukrainian Prime Minister Azarov. And this is compared to 2022, when 38 million people lived in Ukraine.

I’ll quote it again. - protect people.
And how do they protect THEIR people in war?
Killing enemies so they don't kill THEIR people. To win faster and for the war to end.
There is no other way, this is how wars are always fought.

Do you really think that the orders of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief can change the essence of the war, the necessity of winning this war?

[boriz]

Have they ever even tried to attack them?

In June 2022 Their railway bridge across the Dnieper in Cherkassy was built. There was no information that it had been restored.
And there was a post about it right on this site.
https://topwar.ru/198287-nanesen-udar-vysokotochnymi-raketami-po-zheleznodorozhnomu-mostu-cherez-dnepr-v-rajone-cherkass.html
Why so much emotion and buff?
It is already clear to everyone that the bridges are included in some kind of agreement.
We do not have a war, but a military defense. Legally and in terms of consequences, a declared war is very different from a military war. And we are unlikely to know what agreements there were. And if they found out, it’s not a fact that they would be against it.

[PavelT]

Have you seen the photo for that article?
Here is this photo (I am attaching it).
It is clearly visible there that the main span of the bridge did not fall into the water. Only part of it was affected. And there is no short coastal span from the first support to the embankment - this can be easily restored (a month or two of work: patch up the support, attach the far span to it, then bring the short one and install it).
The parallel bridge truss with the road is not even affected.

If you need to see what destroyed bridges look like, then search the Internet for photos of Serbian bridges across the Danube destroyed by the Americans in 1999 (7 ​​out of 11 in TWO MONTHS). You will see the difference. It is impossible NOT to see it.

[boriz]

It is already clear to everyone that the bridges are included in some kind of agreement.

I think I wrote it clearly.
Do you have any information that the bridge has started working? I haven't found any.
Technically, there is no problem in knocking down all the bridges across the Dnieper overnight.
Look how skillfully they finished off the Vyshgorod hydroelectric power station, and the (very frail) structure remained standing.
The first rocket even went a little higher, they were sighting in.
So, do you think the bridge won't be hit by a missile?

[PavelT]

I have no information that this bridge has started working.
Do you have any information that this bridge HAS NOT STARTED TO WORK?
Please provide it here if you have it.
And I judge by the photo and it is obvious to me that this can be fixed.

I'm sure the bridge will be hit by a missile. I never doubted it.
I've been wondering for 2.5 years now: why isn't the General Staff doing this???

[boriz]

And I judge by the photo and it is obvious to me that this can be fixed.

It's obvious to me too. But these aren't brothers...
I got interested myself. I looked at the maps.
Everything is intact in Yandex. But the picture is from 2019, if I understood correctly.
There is still no image of this piece on Google, the supports are bare, there is a U-shaped supporting structure lying diagonally nearby, it looks like it is made of welded metal. But it doesn't matter. The image is from 2024. How come they haven't stolen it for the metal?
It is true that Bakhmut is intact on both maps, but there may already be politics here.

[PavelT]

Google maps/satellite images often have the wrong year (date). You need to look in Google Earth.
Here is my commentary on this method in relation to the Ukrainian railway stations in Donbass, at the front:

https://topwar.ru/240002-sovetnik-glavy-dnr-na-okraine-chasova-jara-likvidirovana-bolshaja-gruppa-boevikov-azova.html#findcomment14354477

"The dates of the photos are only in the Google Earth program, which I used before under Windows (it's good that there is now a web version: https://earth.google.com/web/ - no need to install).
I brought up the area of ​​the Mezhevaya station there - the satellite images there are from 06.05.2020... I suppose they will remain that old until the end of the war." - i.e. the Americans on Google specifically found these images DO NOT update, so as not to help us against the Ukrainians, do not reveal the current situation in Ukraine.

[Alexander Timchenko]

I vaguely remember the sluggish epic of 2022 attacks on the bridge across the Dniester estuary in the Odessa region. Somehow ours weren’t very effective.

[Ingenegr]

The author should, as one of the options for analysis, assume that the task of defeating Ukraine as a state and the Ukrainian Armed Forces as an instrument was not set initially. Then many questions will disappear on their own, and many answers will become obvious.

[guest]

Quote: Ingenegr

The author should, as one of the options for analysis, assume that the task of defeating Ukraine as a state and the Ukrainian Armed Forces as an instrument was not set initially.

It may not have been set initially, but over the past 2,5 years it should have become clear to anyone (the rules don’t allow it here) that without a victory over Ukraine there will be no Russia.

[Stardock]

Guest, are you ready to fight for another 10 years? In 10 years, a dollar will cost 300 rubles. A liter of gasoline is 200, a kilogram of potatoes is 150, etc. Medicine and education are all paid. War is a very expensive undertaking. Extremely expensive. The National Welfare Fund will expire in a year or two. The capital of our millionaires has long been all in the West.
Only the people will finance the war. And there is no one else. We do not and never have had friends or military allies.
It’s generally scary to talk about the number of wounded and lost. Sanctions will completely close any business with foreign countries.

Everything that is destroyed in Ukraine will be restored by you and me. Voluntarily, in case of victory (an example today is Mariupol) or by force, in case of defeat. Otherwise it is impossible. There are no options.
Or we are a completely isolated state like North Korea with its African poverty.
You are ready ?

[guest]

Quote: Stardock

Guest, are you ready to fight for another 10 years?

Yes, I am ready, because this is a war for the existence of the country, but all the liberals will not understand this.

[Stardock]

The problem is that our exact, specific goals have never been voiced anywhere.
At any moment you can say that the goal has been achieved, or you can become one, but you haven’t even started yet.

How can one perform such combat missions?
Are we fighting like in our army - from the fence to dinner? ) Then the next question is when is lunch according to the daily schedule? Where can I read it?

Today, according to the media, our main achievement is grinding down the enemy army. Are we a civilized state, or a meat processing plant with cannibals?

[Uma palata]

Apparently, the routes of arms delivery from the West to the Ukronazi are simultaneously commercially necessary for "their bourgeois". Who pump raw materials from Russia to the West. So there is no order to smash, gentlemen Very Serious Bourgeois will be cruelly offended by such actions of our army.

[Uma palata]

Quote: Stardock

Everything that is destroyed in Ukraine will be restored by you and me. Voluntarily, in case of victory (an example today is Mariupol) or by force, in case of defeat. Otherwise it is impossible. There are no options.
Or we are a completely isolated state like North Korea with its African poverty.
You are ready ?

We won't have to restore EVERYTHING in the South Russian region. This region, which is also the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, after being cleansed of the Nazi filth, will become our farmland. Whether you like it or not, in the end it will be exactly that way, which is both reasonable and humane.
North Korea is not isolated from the world and, moreover, is not poor - remember this and do not write such blatant nonsense anymore.

[avia12005]

Cutting off enemy troops from supplies is a sure way to speed up their defeat and reduce your own losses. This is the foundation of military science, proven many times over thousands of years.

Thus, by not destroying the enemy’s bridges, the Russian Armed Forces objectively contribute to the prolongation of the conflict and the increase in their own losses.

The reasons for this state of affairs are unknown. And we will probably never know.

[Vlad is short]

At least the railway bridges should have been destroyed long ago.

[Glagol1]

The article is 100% on topic! But the bridges are intact! If they had been destroyed earlier, we would have remained in Kherson and would have been hanging over Nikolayev. And the dancers would have had to keep an additional group there.
But the bridges are intact! As retaliation for the Kursk region - oh, that would also be nice. But no! The most offensive thing is that there is something. And the author listed it. But the bridges are intact! Destroying the bridges across the Dnieper - that is the right task. Instead, they are pounding the electrical substations, of which there are a huge cloud in the 100th, with expensive missiles at 404 million each. And they do not need so much energy, the industry has shrunk, a significant part of the population has left. And the bridges - that's all they need!!! But, as often happens with us, loyal amateurs are allowed to make decisions, and strategists and smart guys are retired and in prison. So we will fight for another 10 years with an unclear ending.

[Iris]

Why don't we destroy bridges? Power lines? Tunnels? Decision-making centers, finally? Can't? Can. Don't want? We're not like that? What kind of people are we? As of August 28, Gazprom continues to pump gas through the 404 territory to the West "in accordance with contractual obligations." Through Sundzha, Karl!

[acetophenone]

Questions to which the author does not have an answer.

There's no need to lie! He doesn't have an answer... There is an answer, the author is just too scared to name it (and rightly so!). It is customary for us to denounce the so-called "Western" media for self-censorship. Given that our situation is no better. The moderators on the site cut all more or less frank assessments and conclusions about our holy Kremlin authorities. And they will cut the site itself. The organs of propagation of decency and removal from vice have firmly taken us all by the IRTs. Well, plus a lot of informers from the public.

[AlOrg]

Let's call a spade a spade. The main strategic miscalculations were made by Putin himself. It was his decision to withdraw troops from the Kyiv region. Because of his unwillingness to mobilize in a timely manner, Kherson and the Kharkov region had to be abandoned. It was he who did not make a decision regarding the destruction of electricity and heat generation in 404, and did not allow the destruction of bridges across the Dnieper. It was his decision to continue supplying gas to 404. And it is he who is to blame for the fact that defensive lines and a sufficient number of defenders in the border regions were not prepared. In the end, if he does not fire his subordinates, their boss is responsible for their actions. Putin is also guilty of creating a system that encourages lying at all levels of government. Look how all the officials lie and curry favor with Putin. Thanks to your Vladimir Vladimirovich initiatives, the sun rises in the east every morning and sets in the west every evening. Pfft, it's disgusting to listen to this nonsense. And in the end Putin started his not having objective information about the state of affairs in his army and the enemy army. This is where all the problems stem from

[PavelT]

Putin stated directly at a meeting with Lukashenko on April 11, 2024:

http://special.kremlin.ru/catalog/countries/BY/events/73852

"In the energy sector, unfortunately, we have recently seen a series of attacks on our energy facilities and have been forced to respond. I want to emphasize: we, Even for humanitarian reasons, no attacks were carried out in the winter. I mean, they wanted to leave social institutions, hospitals, and so on without power supply. But after a series of strikes on our power facilities, they were forced to respond,”

You can't win a war by just responding to blows. This should be clear to everyone.

[Evgesha]

And again.
I still can't understand our General Staff on this issue.
Bridges, post offices, communication hubs, power plants, railway stations, airports, tunnels, banks, permanent troop deployment sites - why is this still working in Ukraine??

[grossmeister2013]

Everyone has probably noticed that no one is fighting internal enemies, but there are plenty of them, both sabotaging and sleeping and working for the West. In WWII, spies were identified by SMERSH, for example. Here is the answer, the Russian government itself is waiting for the West to caress it again.

[PavelT]

Excellent article!
Two questions to the author are extremely simple:

1. What makes you think that you need to hit the bridge support?
Where and when in the history of modern wars was such a crazy task of "hitting the support" set for aviators or missilemen? Give an example if you find one in history. Obviously, the task is usually "to bring down the bridge", and the bridge collapses if a large enough warhead with the right (instantaneous) fuse hits the bridge deck and/or truss. In the middle of the span or closer to the support is not the point - the point is that both "stubs" of the bridge span fall into the river, preferably to the bottom.

2. Why didn’t you compare the problem of destroying the bridges on the Dnieper with the similar problem that the Americans faced in the Kosovo war of 1999?
There they quickly destroyed similar bridges across the not-so-small Danube River in two months, 7 out of 11. They probably would have destroyed everything in three months, although they had to bomb some bridges 12 times. By the way, look at the photos and videos of those destroyed bridges: is there at least one destroyed support? And look at the time it took to restore those bridges, too - very instructive.

[Colleague]

Destroyed bridges on the Dnieper:
1) the evacuation of the population will be aggravated and the incompetent rulers of Ukraine will refuse to evacuate the population officially and openly, blaming everything on the lack of communications. And the cities that will have to be taken will be full of civilians.
2) complicates the capture of Russian lands along the right bank of the Dnieper.
3) will make concentration on the Kherson direction, with an eye on Izmail and Tiraspol, useless, since it will be easier to contain the RF Armed Forces from the steep cliffs of the right bank of the Dnieper than in an open field, and it will be difficult, if not impossible, to hold an extended front to the south of a concentrated attack.

It was necessary to destroy communications on a narrow section along the rivers from Moldova to the Republic of Belarus through the Vinnitsa and Zhitomir regions (there are not many of them there), with the addition of bridges in the Odessa region, provided that intelligence sees these areas from Orlans or similar ones. The population will be able to cross small rivers themselves, if necessary.

[PavelT]

Unsuccessful, naive arguments.
1) Everyone who wanted to - has already fled to the EU. In Donbass, in every city that was liberated with difficulty (Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Vovchansk ...) there were a bunch of "waiters" who THEMSELVES did not want to evacuate anywhere, they were waiting for our troops. The Ukrainian Armed Forces oppressed them, scared them, fired at them... They still did not evacuate. All the rulers of Ukraine do not give a damn about them. This is a fact.
Moreover: the Armed Forces of Ukraine allowed Ukrainian refugees to pass by car THROUGH the front to ours in the first summer. Near Orekhovo, Zaporozhye. Here is the news: https://news-zp.ru/society/2022/09/30/40240.html https://rg.ru/2022/03/16/mo-rf-vsu-obstreliali-kolonny-bezhencev-pod-harkovom-chetyre-cheloveka-pogibli.html This is not our business, this is the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
There is no need to play at humanism, as Putin has been doing for the third year now - we need to win the war.
Ending the war as quickly as possible is more important than abstract problems with evacuation.
2) The Ukies will blow up or block the bridges when our troops approach the Dnieper. As our troops did with the Antonovsky Bridge in Kherson and the Kakhovka Dam. This argument is the most stupid - its absurdity has already been pointed out 100 times. Haven't you seen such simple and logical objections???
3) What is this "concentration on the Kherson direction," ??? Are you delirious?
Our troops were withdrawn from the right (western) bank of the Dnieper by Surovikin (because there were not enough forces and supplies were lacking across the bridges).
"with an eye on Izmail and Tiraspol," - no need to fantasize about great breakthroughs! Ugledar has still NOT BEEN TAKEN, even Kupyansk has been abandoned and not taken. I am silent about Zaporozhye, Sumy, Chernigov... The enemy is at home in the Kursk region... The war can be completely finished on the Dnieper, without crossing it, destroying all the critical infrastructure on the other bank up to Lvov with aircraft and missiles. This country will then simply not be needed by NATO, they will abandon it.

[Colleague]

1) Humanism is not a game, but what distinguishes a man from a cannibal.
2) it doesn't matter.
3) Raise your eyes higher and reread the article - "concentration" and similar versions of the development of events are taken from the article, so direct your claims and your entire uncontrollable speech to the author.

[Glagol1]

Liberate the lands beyond the Dnieper - what are we planning?

[aleksandrs95]

The author is talking nonsense in a military unit, at the level of the 7th grade. In black and white, to destroy the bridge supports, you need 1,5 tons of ammunition and precision, that says it all. In essence, a special forces mission, but the high price of the issue and other methods. Better not to describe.

[running Man]

Putin is a lawyer by education and nationality. And lawyers are forbidden to destroy bridges, unless they are Iranian bridges.

[Ruslan Smorodin]

Bridges are not destroyed, as well as many other things, but civilians are regularly killed because the Americans and the British do not need one of the sides to win. The process itself is needed, so that the Slavic peoples destroy each other with their own hands, and secondly - to receive a good material benefit

[koralvit]

Yes, the bridges across the Dnieper should have been destroyed immediately after the start of the SVO. But our government prefers to destroy its soldiers, not bridges. The commercial interests of the "moneybags" are above all else. But this is beyond the understanding of a Russian person.