US Navy problems are growing

The US Navy plans to retire 17 support vessels. This is a significant reduction, given that the fleet operates in all oceans and requires constant replenishment of fuel, lubricants, ammunition and other supplies.

Naval Sealift Command has developed a plan to cut 17 ships due to a lack of qualified sailors to operate them. Two supply ships "Lewis and Clark" naval tanker, 12 Spearhead-class Expeditionary Fast Transport (EPF) vessels and two Navy forward expeditionary sea bases will be placed into an "extended maintenance" period. The crews of these ships will be transferred to other ships in the fleet.

There are suggestions that the mass withdrawal of Spearhead high-speed transports into reserve is due to problems with their power plants. The immediate withdrawal of 12 out of 16 hulls into reserve suggests analogies with littoral ships, which were also taken out of service. The concept was probably unsuccessful, although doubts about its effectiveness arose even during the design.

The first two fast transports have already been unofficially decommissioned and are located at the Philadelphia Navy base.

The two forward bases are USS Lewis Puller (ESB-3), based in Bahrain as part of U.S. Central Command, and USS Herschel "Woody" Williams (ESB-4), based in Souda Bay, Greece, and operating in European and Africa Commands USA.

The reduction will “save” about 700 people. Of the 5500 staff positions, 4500 are now staffed. However, cutting 700 staff positions does not solve the problem of understaffing, since 300 people are the crew of 4-5 ships, since the ships are very different.

In addition, people quit faster than they can recruit new ones. “Overload,” an unnamed source in the Marine Corps, says that the average workload per sailor is 1,27, that is, a conventional sailor or mechanic works for another quarter of the absent crew member. The requirements for marine crews are higher than for civilian sailors, and their salaries are not at all military. A significant part of the benefits that military personnel are entitled to do not apply to them.

The reduction of the “floating rear” will certainly affect existing ships. A fleet operating in the ocean cannot live without constant supplies, since fuel and food are constantly consumed, even if the ship is not at war.

It is also interesting that yesterday, August 22, the aircraft carriers George W. Bush and Dwight Eisenhower left Norfolk. If everything is more or less clear with the first one - he is undergoing a combat training course, then where "Ike" was sent - this still remains a mystery.

Comments

[Brylevsky]

The reduction of the “floating rear” will certainly affect existing ships. A fleet operating in the ocean cannot live without constant supplies, since fuel and food are constantly consumed, even if the ship is not at war.

It is more important for a ship to have this:

[Brylevsky]

And not everything is shown here yet.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

“And not everything is shown here yet” -

[Lev_Russia]

The immediate withdrawal of 12 out of 16 hulls into reserve suggests analogies with littoral ships, which were also taken out of service. The concept was probably unsuccessful, although doubts about its effectiveness arose even during the design.

Why not experiment with your fleet, since the money for this was not earned by hard work... Well, the external debt will grow, so what...??? Who is going to give it away...??? By the way, will those responsible for such multi-billion dollar experiments be named or appointed...??? Or will they understand and forgive...??? Not on your own...

[Sergey985]

Alas, everything is somewhat sadder. In addition to money, production capacity is also needed. There are some minor nuances about this). How about understanding and forgiving?! Here you go - the machinations of the damned Russians. They will blame the failure on them.

[Arch]

In addition to iron, production also requires people, but with this. Formally, there are a lot of them, but there is no education, skills and, most importantly, desire. Post-industrial, sir.

[TermNachTer]

Yes, a welder - a ship assembler - is not an LGBT activist, you have to study here for more than one year)))

[Arch]

Nikolay, you also have to work there. And with his hands and head. What a horror

[TermNachTer]

That's for sure. My uncle, during the assembly at KhSPO, got almost thirty.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: TermNachTER

My uncle, at HSPO in assembly, almost I picked up thirty.

- Well, damn it, you give it! (With)
Nikolai! Team "Taban!" served on a rowing vessel (boat) to stop its forward movement: the rowers push the oars “away from themselves” against the movement of the boat, thereby stopping its movement on its previous course.... So...
It turns out that your uncle has been rowing in the opposite direction for 30 years (!), i.e. sabotaged or generally caused harm at the assembly site...
And all because the “nephew”: a) either does not understand the meaning of the maritime term “herd”; or - b) simply made a slip of the tongue, meaning that my uncle was “BANNING” at HSPO for 30 years!!! But he was clearly not a “drummer”, but a normal marine electric and gas welder! Which is probably time to be proud of, and not just the “nephew”...
AHA.

[TermNachTer]

The term "herd" is used quite widely in the navy, including the same as "plowed". By the way, shipbuilders are also guilty of this, because they often communicate with sailors, sometimes they go to tests. My uncle was among the best; when new machine guns were brought from the Paton Institute for testing, they trusted only him. Once upon a time, my uncle was on vacation in the village. The Volga arrived, the deputy director of the plant, it was necessary to urgently test it and send it back to Kyiv.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Lev_Russia

Well, the external debt will grow, so what...??? Who is going to give it away...???

Some very smart people say that the United States owes it to itself. This is not true at all. The USA as a state owes it to the Federal Reserve, which is a private shop. I don’t know about anyone, but personally, I’m not sure that a private banker will ever forgive debts. And trillions. But bankers care about money and they don’t care about the state. Be it the USA, Europe, or Russia.

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

And not everything is shown here yet.

But some things are shown that are unnecessary. The US lost bases in Afghanistan and Niger. By the way, colorful photos from the parade in Afghanistan using captured US equipment in honor of the 3rd anniversary of the closure of US bases.

[Brylevsky]

But some things are shown that are unnecessary.

Well, something, yes. But some things are not...Hawaii and the Aleutians are not shown. I think you understand that this is more important to the US Navy than Afghanistan and Niger.

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

Hawaii and the Aleutians are not shown.

This is the original territory of the USA! The loss of bases in Hawaii and Alaska is possible only after the collapse of the United States. And the loss of bases in Kyrgyzstan and Afghanistan on the eve of the confrontation between the United States and China is much worse for the United States than the seizure of all of Ukraine by Russia.

[Brylevsky]

And the loss of bases in Kyrgyzstan and Afghanistan on the eve of the confrontation between the United States and China is much worse for the United States than the seizure of all of Ukraine by Russia.

I am a sailor, not a politician, and I don’t think in such categories. The author of the article did not fully understand the topic he was writing about, I corrected him.
How are you with logic and operational-tactical thinking? What could the decommissioning of a group of military auxiliary (transport) vessels mean? How do you think?

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

How are you with logic and operational-tactical thinking?

I'm not a maritime expert on this. Why don’t you add riddles yourself, but from your own point of view, supplement the author’s article with your own comments.

[Brylevsky]

Why don’t you add riddles yourself, but from your own point of view, supplement the author’s article with your own comments.

In my opinion, I have already added enough, the “theme of boobs” is fully covered. And to my question asked of you, I can give the following answer:

What could the decommissioning of a group of military auxiliary (transport) vessels mean?

The US Navy is not planning active combat operations in the near future. Consider the above-mentioned circumstance as an intelligence sign.

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

The US Navy is not planning active combat operations in the near future. Consider the above-mentioned circumstance as an intelligence sign.

Starting the First Thermonuclear War with Russia for the sake of banning the Russian language in Crimea is certainly stupid, but in 1914 the war Germany attacked Russia for a stupider reason because of the murder of one Austro-Hungarian citizen, Gavrilo Princip, of other citizens of this country, the Slavophile Ferdinand and his Slavic wife. But for the sake of preserving the Russian Language in Crimea, if necessary, Russia will certainly use nuclear weapons on Ukraine and the United States will inevitably either launch a surprise attack on Russia, or Putin will be smart enough to be the first to launch a preventive thermonuclear strike on the United States and NATO countries. On February 22, Putin did not commit the Stalinist stupidity of allowing the Nazis to attack the Russians first.

[Brylevsky]

I don’t understand, am I talking to a person, or to a bot controlled by a neural network? Isn't Gridasov your sidekick?

[TermNachTer]

Judging by what is going on with them, they are not going to fight with anyone at all. But others may have their own opinion on this issue.

[Brylevsky]

Judging by what is going on with them, they are not going to fight with anyone at all.

I would like to count on this. Otherwise, with my anti-submarine VUS, I will have no chance of survival.

[TermNachTer]

The fleet, like the Air Force, is the most vulnerable structure in the event of some kind of internal disaster. We have already seen this in Russia. Now we see this in the USA and England.

[orionvitt]

Quote: TermNachTER

they are not going to fight with anyone at all

They may not be going to fight, but they are sure to start wars all over the world. Warm your hands on someone else's blood, as always. Maybe they themselves will take part, but like in the First and Second World Wars, in the end, in order to collect all the goodies. The most interesting thing is that everyone knows the story (except perhaps the West itself), and this time it may not work. True, it must be said that while the United States is at its worst, everything is working out as they planned.

[TermNachTer]

Few people know what is planned there. But how much their standard of living has fallen, we can conclude that they are not doing very well.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Brylevsky

The US Navy is not planning active combat operations in the near future. Consider the above-mentioned circumstance as an intelligence sign.

It seems to me that you, sir, are not entirely right. And here's why.
1. The US Navy is intensively “optimizing”, freeing itself from ballast in the form of units that are no longer profitable to keep on the balance sheet. This also applies to Ticonderoga-type missile launchers and Lrs-Angeles-type submarines and ships of the littoral zone. But they are even expanding the fifth iteration of Virginia. And they are not going to give up on AVMAs like Ford either.
2. The Yankees will probably stir up the upcoming maritime databases in the Asia-Pacific region, where they will rely on the naval base system: their own and on the allies’ AUCUS bases. They have already practiced calling attack submarines to the ports of South Korea, conducted training with the Japanese and ROK navies, and relocated aviation closer to Taiwan.
3. The election campaign in the States will end and you will see how Trump will begin to rape his “allies” in AUCUS so that they are more closely harnessed to the shafts of the military arms race. And all this is against the PRC, because Biden has already made adjustments to the US nuclear strategy, fearing the combined nuclear power of the Russian Federation + China + North Korea. At the same time, they believe that by the turn of 2027-30, the PRC will have up to 1000 “strategic” nuclear warheads.
4. About intelligence signs. They do not hang out in the hole like “forget-me-nots”, but are always tied to specific circumstances, place and time. But one must judge by the general trend of developments in relation to a specific malware.
Sincerely.

[TermNachTer]

As for the ancestral territories, I wouldn’t get too excited. Alaska was bought from Russia, and Hawaii was simply annexed, in their opinion, incorporated; they became a state only in the middle of the last century.

[gsev]

Quote: TermNachTER

Alaska was bought from Russia, and Hawaii was simply annexed

So Russia, a little earlier, annexed everything that was south of the abatis line just south of the Oka River.

[TermNachTer]

Russia gradually annexed what was “close at hand”. And someone climbed halfway across the world.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gsev

The US lost bases in Afghanistan and Niger.

Both countries you mentioned are landlocked and landlocked. And they were talking about the presence of a naval base in the fleet!!! (As they say: - Feel the difference!)

[gsev]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Both countries you mentioned are landlocked and landlocked.

The United States lost bases in Afghanistan closest to the problematic regions of the PRC Xinjiang and Tibet. As a result, Iran somewhat protected itself from attacks from Vaostok. Without a base in Niger, it is more difficult for the United States to monitor the security of the Niger-France gas pipeline. I would have long ago handed over attack drones to the terrorists there to attack this infrastructure.

[ZovSailor]

Brylevsky
Yesterday, 04: 45
[/i]The reduction of the “floating rear” will certainly affect the existing ships. A fleet operating in the ocean cannot live without constant supplies, since fuel and food are constantly consumed, even if the ship is not at war.

It is more important for a ship to have this:[i]

I would supplement the article with the fact that specifically for the AT region, which in the near future is a priority for the Yankees, the problem also lies in the very weapons resources that the opponents possess.
Judging by those groans (possibly misdirected live from the mattress makers), they will have enough weapons for a short period of time, we are talking about several days?!
Those. Already in the case of arms supplies to Banderreich, serious problems emerged in the supply of high-precision weapons for a long period of hostilities in the AT region
and the NSR region, where the opponents are more serious, accordingly, a completely different, costly level of supplies to our own naval forces is needed.
It is possible that such an acceleration of panic in the media is possible in order to extort more funds from the mattress authorities, which is completely natural for all military structures of the USSR.

[ZIF122]

Well, they have enough bases! But huge amounts of money are being spent on all this, and I hope the United States will eventually become overstrained and everything will begin to fall apart!

[Brylevsky]

A fleet operating in the ocean cannot live without constant supplies, since fuel and food are constantly consumed, even if the ship is not at war.

Dear author of the article, I inform you that to replenish fuel, food, water, as well as logistics, the ship can enter at any ship's flag-friendly port. To do this, there is no need to maintain a squadron of military transport ships. They are needed for something else.

[Junkman George]

You missed the point.
due to a lack of qualified sailors to operate them.

The entire US military is double vaxxed with all the boosters. Not just the civilian population got to partake of the bio-weapon, these guys were forced, and many are in forced retirement.

[Brylevsky]

You missed the point.

By no means.
And this does not detract:

Dear author of the article, I inform you that to replenish fuel, food, water, as well as logistics, the ship can call at any port friendly to the ship’s flag. To do this, there is no need to maintain a squadron of military transport ships. They are needed for something else.

[TermNachTer]

Even in peacetime, driving an AUG to the nearest port is not a good idea, especially if the AUG is located in the center of the ocean, then this is a week for the transition. And even more so during the war. And when the war starts, you may not have time to reactivate it, not for a couple of days either.

[Brylevsky]

Even in peacetime, driving an AUG to the nearest port is not gut

Nobody argues with this.

And when the war starts, you may not have time to reactivate it, not for a couple of days either.

That's right. Therefore, I concluded that the US Navy is not planning any military operations in the near future.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: TermNachTER

if the AUG is in the center of the ocean, then this is a week for the transition.

I dare say: AVMA is autonomous in terms of reserves for 90 days. Water is boiled on board, no fuel is needed, jet kerosene for 6 flight shifts of a full complement. Escort ships? Designate a rendezvous point (AUG formation) outside the radius of reach of the enemy's air defense system, provide PLO for the maneuvering area - and you will be happy!
And to deliver a strike, at night at 30 knots, rush into the area where aircraft are rising and after the strike, go back into the ocean... (There can never be too much tactics!)
There are a couple more “aces” up our sleeve, but let’s keep quiet about them for now (out of modesty )
AHA.

[TermNachTer]

This is in peacetime. What about the military? How long will it take for planes and helicopters to burn kerosene and fire all the ASPs? During the Gulf War, AVICs were “recharged” every three days.

[TermNachTer]

Perhaps I missed something. I don't claim to know everything. I voice my thoughts and wait for comments from competent comrades.

[Brylevsky]

I think the comments cover the topic you raised quite fully. .

[TermNachTer]

It's always interesting to listen to knowledgeable people.

[Brylevsky]

It's always interesting to listen to knowledgeable people.

Agree. I think that's what we're all here for...

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

that to replenish fuel, food, water, as well as logistics, the ship can call at any port friendly to the ship’s flag.

Let's remember World War II in the Pacific. In the first battles, Japan gained overwhelming superiority over the enemy at sea and captured Indonesia, New Guinea, Malaysia, Burma, the Philippines, and islands in the Pacific Ocean. But due to the lack of tankers and supply ships, she faced the dilemma of continuing active hostilities, finishing off 6 enemy aircraft carriers with her 3 aircraft carriers, capturing Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia, Fiji, or taking advantage of the mineral wealth of the captured countries to build up her economic and military power: the construction of oil refineries factories, training new pilots. As a result, oil could not be transported from Indonesia for processing to Japan, aviation forces were not increased, and even expensive aircraft carriers could not be fueled with fuel oil. And expensive ships filled with unrefined oil exploded after the first hits of bombs and torpedoes, or they had to be used without aircraft as bait for the US fleet to enable their battleships to attack the US fleet without being attacked by enemy aircraft. By the way, the United States has reduced unsuccessful old ships, just like military bases that are now unnecessary to confront Russia in Ukraine. And the reduction seemed to be proportional.

[Brylevsky]

Can you somehow formulate your thought more concisely? What is its main conclusion?

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

What is its main conclusion?

The lack of transport ships was a key reason for Japan's defeat in the war against the United States. If it had enough tankers, by mid-1942 Japan would have accumulated fuel for a land war and would be able to enter the war against the USSR. It was enough for her to cut the Trans-Siberian Railway at Skovorodino to reduce the delivery of oil from Sakhalin and avigasoline from the USA by at least 30%.

[Brylevsky]

Why did you decide that the US Navy is experiencing a shortage of transport ships? Based on what considerations? Just based on the fact that they sent a group of auxiliary vessels to the sludge? AND? Where exactly did you see signs of deficiency in this?
Do you know that, if necessary, civilian ships can (and will, this is a historical fact) be involved in military transportation? The same tankers. There are no problems with this at all, none....just pay the freight money to the shipowner. This has been and is being practiced in our country. Otherwise, the military garrisons in Kamchatka and the Kuril Islands would have been sitting with their butts naked a long time ago.

[TermNachTer]

Well, it’s not a group, there will be more there. Considering how many combat units they have in the ocean, this is noticeable.

[Brylevsky]

Yes, they simply decommissioned ships that they did not need at the moment. About the lack of people in crews, this is a lyric. When they need people, they find them. The bottom line is that the operation of a sea vessel (and not only a sea vessel) is quite expensive, and in order not to incur unnecessary expenses, the vessel, if there is no work for it, is taken out of service, laid up, mothballed, call it what you call it. want....the essence will not change. The point is not to pay money for something that is not needed at the moment.

[TermNachTer]

It’s difficult to determine when it’s enough or not. During the Gulf War, AViki had to be “recharged” every three days. And Iraq, mind you, is very much not China. Not to mention how much non-naval force is caught up.

[Brylevsky]

Well, maybe this way you will better understand that in peacetime a developed military auxiliary fleet is not needed:

During the Gulf War, AViki had to be “recharged” every three days.

Currently, the US Navy is not participating in the war; moreover, the reduction in the number of naval personnel in the military auxiliary fleet suggests that they do not plan to do so in the near future.

[TermNachTer]

Then it may be too late. Bring the ships out of mothballing, recruit crews (but no one wants to serve), train the crews, then train the transmission on the move. And time in war is the most precious thing.

[Brylevsky]

Then it may be too late. Bring the ships out of mothballing, recruit crews (but no one wants to serve), train the crews, then train the transmission on the move. And time in war is the most precious thing.

I don’t understand, what are you standing for? For increasing the combat readiness of the US Navy, or what? We should be happy that they are reducing their ship strength, and not complain that they will not have time to bring their ships out of mothballing.

[TermNachTer]

My point is that the principle “we play here, we don’t play here, we wrapped the fish here” does not “play” in this case. Wars tend to start suddenly and there may simply be no time to “build up” them. Moreover, it is gradually boiling over all over the world. And the Korean Peninsula, and Taiwan and the surrounding area, and the Middle East, and Ukraine.

[TermNachTer]

There are many reasons for Japan's defeat in the Great Pacific War, and transport is not the main one. Japan in 41 had a fairly large and modern civilian fleet. The problem is that the issues of protecting shipping were taken up when the losses became very large. The convoy system and escort detachments began to be created only in the spring of 42; the Main Command of Convoys was created even later. The first two convoy formations worked on the main routes - Truk and Singapore. Only later were several more escort groups created. The ships allocated for escort are also tears, old destroyers or converted trawlers. Special escorts began to arrive only in 43. By the way, I noticed one interesting detail - the escorts died either with large losses in the crews or with the entire crew. I laid them out by places of death and by time, but so far the picture doesn’t add up.

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

the ship can call at any port friendly to the ship's flag.

It is unlikely that a friendly country will create logistics and transport supplies to feed a belligerent foreign power, even a friendly one. During war there is no way to rely on the mercy of neutrals. If an aircraft carrier enters a port in South Korea or Japan during a thermonuclear war between the PRC and the United States, it is unlikely that the PRC will avoid the temptation to hit that port with nuclear weapons.

[Brylevsky]

Let me not comment it , OK?

[ZIF122]

Well, not in any port. In some there is a ban on warships! And even more so with atomic ones!

[Эльдорадо]

Planned cost reduction using the “everything is learned by comparison” method.
For the USA this is not a problem.

[BlackTiger74]

The more problems the geldings have, the less problems the whole world has!!!

[TermNachTer]

Yes, the more problems they have and not only with the fleet, the less opportunity they have to spoil others.

[tralflot1832]

Nicholas an excellent overview of the situation in the auxiliary fleet of the US Navy. Many do not understand the role of this fleet, like coastal bases compensate for everything. A virtual example. A signal was received, a Russian submarine went to break through the Faroe-Icelandic anti-submarine line, we need to find it and sit on its tail. And here on the ship the PLO, or fuel or oil or aviation kerosene is running out, a piece of hardware has broken down, which is not in the zipper. What to do - go to the port to the base? The Russian nuclear submarine will wave its tail and go into operational space and then go look for it at sea - the ocean. As a fisherman, our main problem is that we have left many fishing areas of the world - the lack of supply bases, entering a port is a loss of time and money. For the Navy, entering a port is only a loss of time and failure to fulfill its direct function, control of the enemy. And the load factor for the crew is 1,27, I’m happy for them. Let them know what the “Zashchekinsky method” is, we went through it (voluntary reduction of the crew). But at least we were paid money for such idiocy. Why is this idiocy - about two years later? the Zashchekino method “they forgot and didn’t return the crew size back. But why, you can cope. Then they laid off the sailors and something happened with the 4 navigators (it seems they were hired as helmsmen with the salary of a 1st class sailor, in order to find the qualifications for a third navigator) For the article thank you. What is the difference between the merchant fleet and the fishermen - the former walk from stop to stop, the latter - and the devil knows where this fish is caught, at which stop. Maybe it’s ahead, or maybe we’ve passed it.

[tralflot1832]

I apologize for the maritime slang, a supply base is a floating base, not a port.

[TermNachTer]

I understand you Andrey, there were many different suppliers, including floating factories.

[tralflot1832]

Nikolay, I am following Norebo very closely (Murmansk, the head office is the receiver of Tralflot, even the address is the same Schmidt street 23). The patient has come to life and is beginning to remember his former power. They are present in the Peruvian and Chilean zones. They are exploring the Argentinean one. They are planning to return to the shores of Antarctica already on new ships, Georgia area - krill, toothfish and icefish.

[TermNachTer]

Yes, I read that they are going to Africa from Kaliningrad. Pleases. It's a pity that the Sevastopol Institute is still "lying".

[tralflot1832]

I also didn’t like that in Murmansk the marines were transferred to the Arctic University. The barque Sedov came to Murmansk from the Baltic - that means we’re alive. I’ll try to steal a photo of Sedov, I was on it in Santa Cruz and Sochi with a difference of almost 25 years. The pass is my photo at Sedov’s helm, they didn’t take any money from us in Sochi.

[tralflot1832]

Here is yesterday's photo, reference Port Icebreaker Ob is the only diesel icebreaker in Atomflot.

[TermNachTer]

Well, it’s not always necessary to drive nuclear-powered ships; there is also work for a diesel engine.

[Brylevsky]

And here on the ship the PLO, or fuel or oil or aviation kerosene is running out, the “piece of hardware” that is not in the zip has broken down. What to do - go to the port to the base?

Send anti-submarine aircraft to intercept and destroy our boat, and/or use it to target a multi-purpose nuclear submarine.

[tralflot1832]

Without a supply base at sea, combat units will drop out of combat patrols during transitions to the port. And they are not happy with the number of ships on combat patrols. Yes, there are still a lot of them, but not as many as 10 years ago. You can send nuclear submarines as a replacement and PLO aviation, but this takes time; for aviation, the hours for nuclear submarines are already days. Our submariners will use this hole to complete their task.

[Brylevsky]

Without a supply base at sea, combat units will drop out of combat patrols during transitions to the port. And they are not happy with the number of ships on combat patrols. Yes, there are still a lot of them, but not as many as 10 years ago. You can send nuclear submarines as a replacement and PLO aviation, but this takes time; for aviation, the hours for nuclear submarines are already days. Our submariners will use this hole to complete their task.

Sorry, doesn't sound convincing
NATO has a Keflavik military base in Iceland, where anti-submarine aircraft are also based. Well, I suppose you know about the existence of the Faroese anti-submarine line. Their boats are always grazing there.

[tralflot1832]

I spent half my life fishing in this area, and I saw all their “power”. An American “Moose” surfaced near our trawler near the North Cape, Orion flew in for some reason. “The Moose” left on the surface. I’m still scratching my head about who made him to surface, we then walked with the trawl. The trawl was lifted up in place, the trawl boards were intact. We sometimes played war games there too.

[Brylevsky]

Let's get closer to the topic of the article... There is no significant need for the existence of a developed military auxiliary fleet. If the state does not plan to conduct military operations at sea. This is my main conclusion.

[tralflot1832]

The NATO fleet conducts military operations only with the Houthis, and how do you think it operates successfully? With their ammunition exhausted, where do the ships go to reload their ammunition and replenish fuel? The Houthis have become insolent and are going out to sea in high-speed boats. Judging by the video, from three simultaneous explosions, the last tanker was blown up by the boarding crew. Where the NATO ships were, they went to replenish supplies in ports.

[Brylevsky]

Colleague, let’s leave these tales about the Houthis “dictating their unyielding will to American imperialism” to the children. They are nothing more than bargaining chips in a political game. They will exist exactly as long as someone needs them. Let’s put it this way: they haven’t fully played out their performance yet, so for now they’re frolicking with all their might. This is my opinion.

[TermNachTer]

Well, exchangeable or not, the losses are billions. Both freight and insurance became more expensive, and traffic across the Red Sea decreased.

[Brylevsky]

Well, exchangeable or not, the losses are billions. Both freight and insurance became more expensive, and traffic across the Red Sea decreased.

So.
But, mainly, this circumstance:

Both freight and insurance have risen in price,

Money from nowhere. Not a penny invested, but millions of dollars in earnings.

[TermNachTer]

Who pays these billions? The end consumer pays - but does he need it? A dry cargo ship has arrived in Arkhangelsk from China along the NSR; it is now unloading, then it will load and go back. Why does he need the Suez Canal?

[Brylevsky]

The end consumer pays - but does he need it?

And who will ask him, this consumer? He will purchase goods with the cost of freight already included in its price, and will not even know about it.

Why does he need the Suez Canal?

Maybe he doesn’t need it specifically. Well, the world's largest players in the container shipping market will not take this step, so the Suez Canal will not lose its importance for the global maritime shipping industry.

[TermNachTer]

The end consumer can find another supplier who is faster and cheaper. Competition is a very powerful tool if it is fair. True, this rarely happens.

[Brylevsky]

The end consumer can find another supplier who is faster and cheaper.

Don't be ridiculous. A simple example: you bought a new phone. In a store, in your city. How do you know how and where he got there? And why does it cost exactly what it does?
The final consumer, it’s you or me, who are always confronted with the price of a product: “Why is it so expensive?! - If you don’t want it, don’t buy it...”

[TermNachTer]

Now I can buy myself a phone and a lot of other things, not in my city, but on Aliexpress. That's what I've been doing for the last 10 years.

[Brylevsky]

I just gave you an example of how this happens. Do you pay for delivery? Well...the same "freight", only not to the ship owner, but to a transport company or post office. And the final price of the product will consist of its price from the Chinese and the cost of delivery to you, you just threw out the dealer from this equation - the outbid. Although, no... they didn’t throw it away.... for this you will have to buy the phone directly from the factory, because even the dealer will make money on it (i.e., on you).

[TermNachTer]

Yes, but the price still depends on the delivery cost. The cheaper the delivery, the cheaper the product or the carrier receives additional profit. In any case, if it is cheaper along the NSR, then the Chinese will take it along the NSR.

[tralflot1832]

Last year, Egypt received its $8 billion for passage through the canal, thanks to the canal’s director. As soon as his arms were not twisted by Western “partners” - enter our situation, yeah, lucky. The route around Africa increased fuel consumption by 500 barrels per day. Not bad for some, an increase in pension.

[TermNachTer]

Yeah, the British destroyer, it seems, Diamond ran all the way to Gibraltar - 3000 miles one way. Although, there may have been other problems. It was not for nothing that engineers flew in from England.

[TermNachTer]

Z.Y. And 6 thousand miles is its range, i.e. it has burned up its full supply of diesel fuel, which means money, and passage along the canal in both directions. And the resource of the power plant is by no means infinite, even if it was only halfway through.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: TermNachTER

Yeah, the British destroyer, it seems, Diamond ran all the way to Gibraltar - 3000 miles one way. Although, there may have been other problems. It was not for nothing that engineers flew in from England.

The English (as far as I know) do not have a system for transferring cargo and military equipment on the move, at sea. And reloading missiles is only in the database. That's why he fled to the Gibraltar naval base... So, not ICE!

[TermNachTer]

I saw a photo of a Navi Lookout in Gibraltar loading a missile defense system into a TPK onto a Diamond - with an ordinary crane, on a wheeled chassis. What prevented you from doing this in Aden? What if there is war? Drive a destroyer three to nine seas to reload the b/c? And tell the enemies: “Wait here a little, we’ll be quick)))

[TermNachTer]

Keyflavik is an air base. PLO aviation is not always effective. I think you know how we passed the “milestone” - it’s no longer a secret. When leaving Murmansk, the captain of the ship received the command: “At such and such a time, be at such and such a point. Then follow a constant course and speed to such and such coordinates.” No one knew when our nuclear submarine dived under it and when it rolled away. Or maybe she didn’t exist at all)))

[Brylevsky]

What does this have to do with the topic of the article? Or will we talk about the tactics of NATO anti-submarine forces?

[tralflot1832]

Nikolai. Let me add, the main speed was kept at such a speed that it made noise throughout the entire Atlantic and it is not always at full speed and the nuclear submarine proceeds with minimal noise. The captain gave the broadcast command: Do not throw anything overboard, do not let the deck crew work with trawls! In short , a cruise with all that it entails. I won’t say how long we went like this.

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

Send anti-submarine aircraft to intercept and destroy our boat

What if these are Chinese naval militias? For each high-speed boat with half a dozen aircraft drones and 3 BECs, will you send a nuclear submarine?

[Brylevsky]

What if these are Chinese naval militias? For each high-speed boat with half a dozen aircraft drones and 3 BECs, will you send a nuclear submarine?

Look at the globe, for starters. Where is China and where is the Faroese anti-submarine line.

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

Where is China and where is the Faroese anti-submarine line.

Russia will not pose a threat to US global dominance in the next 200 years. There is no need to send anti-aircraft weapons for Russian submarines for at least 200 years, if you don’t burn Russians alive in Odessa for wanting to be proud of their native language. And one and a half billion Chinese expect to become the golden billion on planet Earth, and if their leaders do not do outright stupidity, the PRC will surpass the rest of the world in economic and military power in 20 years. The United States needs to create an anti-aircraft defense line, one in the Aleutian Islands, and a second in the Bering Strait.

[Brylevsky]

The United States needs to create an anti-aircraft defense line, one in the Aleutian Islands, and a second in the Bering Strait.

Well, give them an idea, why do I need this? Your conclusions have nothing to do with the topic of the article. I just live in the present, what will happen in 200 years, I don’t care much. If there is nothing on the topic of the article, I suggest ending this conversation.

[gsev]

Quote: Brylevsky

I just live in the present

What do you think is easier to build 2 ASW ships and drive one of them from Halifax to the Faroese border to Greenland, or to have an ASW ship and a tanker to refuel 5 such ships?

[Brylevsky]

What do you think is easier?

It is easier to have an anti-submarine squadron and/or keep a ship in the area of ​​the anti-submarine line with an anti-submarine helicopter on duty, which changes periodically. Actually, this is how it is done in the developed fleets of the world, with the exception of ours. I see Japanese "Orions" and patrol ships regularly; there is a path through the terrorist waters of Japan. And not only in Japan...

[TermNachTer]

Will the USA last another 200 years? Experience shows that empires do not last long. Ancient Rome pulled the maximum, but it had its own specifics.

[gsev]

Quote: TermNachTER

Will the USA last another 200 years?

The state has existed for approximately 600 years. The USA recently celebrated its 200th anniversary. This is not a young state, but a young state in its blooming age.

[TermNachTer]

These numbers are relative and depend on many factors. The third Reich lasted 12 years. US foreign policy now strongly resembles it.

[gsev]

Hitler is no more and no less successful and aggressive German politician than Frederick the Great, Bismarck or Wilhelm. They all wanted to conquer Russia, but Hitler’s predecessors were simply more cautious and less adventurous. I would consider the beginning of modern German civilization to be with the Reformation.

[TermNachTer]

There are different points of view. Before the Reformation, there were also quite large German states that pursued an aggressive foreign policy.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gsev

There is no need to send anti-aircraft weapons for Russian submarines for at least 200 years,

...you still won't find it! (It still didn’t go anywhere!)
But your decadence is not shared by the head of the US Navy PLB, who considers (after the appearance of the 885M project and 955A) Russian boats a real threat to the US Navy and regrets the irrevocably past time of complete dominance of the United States in the world's oceans.
Something like this, however. Yeah

[gsev]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But your decadence is not shared by the head of the US Navy PLB,

If American taxpayers stop funding Russophobes in the Baltics, Moldova, Ukraine and Central Asia and use the money they save to bring production back to the US, what sense will it make for Russia to plan a pre-emptive strike on the US? US ASW ships do not chase the submarines of Israel, India and Great Britain.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gsev

If American taxpayers stop funding Russophobes in the Baltics, Moldova, Ukraine and Central Asia and use the money they save to bring production back to the US,

1. The money of American taxpayers is entirely controlled by the US power elite. Or do you still not know about it?
2. Russophobes from Europe are in the custody of the CIA and Mi6. There is no other option. This is the reality.

Quote: gsev

What sense would it make for Russia to plan a preemptive strike on the United States?

Calm down. We have plans for a “crushing” response to each opponent under any conditions of development of the situation. Amen!

Quote: gsev

US ASW ships do not chase the submarines of Israel, India and Great Britain.

They chase enemies, not allies. Or do you not know this again!?
Learn materiel. Stop smoking bamboo!!!

[TermNachTer]

Do you think that there are no hydrophones in the South China Sea? Moreover, the depths there are better than in the North Atlantic.

[Brylevsky]

Do you think that there are no hydrophones in the South China Sea?

What's the point in this? Have you been to that sea? Do you know what kind of traffic there is? And the weather conditions?

[TermNachTer]

Traffic there, of course, dear mother, but the sound of a GTZ is very different from a regular diesel engine. At one time, we went from Murmansk and Arkhangelsk to the Atlantic, be healthy too.

[TermNachTer]

Let's take a specific example, located near Faroe - the Icelandic border - England. MAPL - not a single one on the move. There are 23 anti-submarine frigates of type 5, but until it “reaches” the point from the port, there is nothing to look for. And keeping them constantly at sea is simply not enough. There are also problems with anti-submarine aircraft. Total?

[Brylevsky]

Why do you only take into account the British Navy?

[TermNachTer]

Do you propose to drive the Bjerka from Norfolk? So it’s even further and like PLO, it’s a little more than nothing. Norgs aren't that great either. Previously, this was mainly done by the British, and also by the American MAPL..

[Brylevsky]

Do you propose to drive the Bjerka from Norfolk?

I'm not suggesting anything. The main conclusion of the article was not the correct conclusion, I expressed my opinion on this matter.
I repeat once again that NATO anti-submarine forces are not only the USA and Great Britain.

[TermNachTer]

Not only, but they are the most important and they are not doing very well in this regard. Especially among the British, the last universal supply transport, Fort Victoria, is under repair and most likely will not come out of it. One of the relatively new “tides” was abruptly taken out of service with nothing. Who will go on the Great Eastern Campaign? And that's not all the problems.

[Arch]

I will sign every word. By the way, supply ships should rush both behind the squadron and between the squadron and the bases.

[TermNachTer]

Good afternoon, Andrey, glad to hear. Well, this is not a review, these are just some thoughts on a given topic. Many people do not understand the interdependence between ships and auxiliary units; they think that if there are a lot of aircraft carriers and cruisers, then this is wow)) The Americans understood the importance of a floating rear service back in WWII and took it very seriously. I don’t understand what they are doing now, however, I don’t understand much of what they are doing now. The fact that fishermen left the oceans is bad. I graduated from the Kherson Rybtyulka, our base enterprise was the Sevastopol Atlantic and YURTS. There were supplies from "Cape Pavlovsky" and others. Not to mention the fact that some fishermen were engaged in non-fishing activities, although not ours, not the Black Sea ones. Moreover, commercial sonars operate on the same principles as combat ones.

[tralflot1832]

Good afternoon Nikolay .We are on topic - on a warship, has anyone seen fenders for mooring at sea, they are not there. The ships are serviced by specially equipped supply ships. I saw only the acceptance of the Burks, I did not see the transfer of cargo. Then the question is how many missiles should Burke have left? when he is considered not combat ready. He won’t go to the base empty, how to fight off the adversary at the crossing?

[TermNachTer]

Well, you can’t take this away from the Amers, the transfer of cargo at sea is on the move, they have worked it out since time immemorial.

[opposite28]

It is also interesting that yesterday, August 22, the aircraft carriers George W. Bush and Dwight Eisenhower left Norfolk. If everything is more or less clear with the first one - he is undergoing a combat training course, then where "Ike" was sent - this still remains a mystery.

I'm off to Israel for a vacation; a grand party is planned.

[gsev]

Quote: oppozite28

I'm off to Israel for a vacation; a grand party is planned.

Hezbollah fired 200 rockets. Why doesn't it use multiple warheads?

[opposite28]

There is no one to tell The text of the commentary is too...

[TermNachTer]

Are you kidding me like that? A product with multiple warheads is a slightly different story. And they don't need it. They have enough means to irritate the Jews.

[TermNachTer]

This is unlikely, he just returned from there, he stayed there for almost 9 months, he needs repairs. Although, they were going to write it off, perhaps they would put it somewhere in the “hot reserve”. We'll find out soon, if it's not a needle, you can't hide it.

[opposite28]

In addition, people quit faster than they can recruit new ones. “Overload,” an unnamed source in the Marine Corps, says that the average workload per sailor is 1,27, that is, a conventional sailor or mechanic works for another quarter of the absent crew member. The requirements for marine crews are higher than for civilian sailors, and their salaries are not at all military. A significant part of the benefits that military personnel are entitled to do not apply to them.

I would not be surprised that soon the US Navy will begin to recruit former migrants from Latin America; we must somehow decide to keep the new Americans occupied. As well as mastering the new democratic party electorate in the light of the presidential elections of the 47th administration. In vain did you walk across two continents to your beloved dream?! And so several problems are solved at once, firstly, the electorate, secondly, crews for ships, thirdly, support for the idea of ​​​​a “black tree” when working in the US Navy, since true Americans refuse to work for little money, fourthly, recruitment of labor at the shipyard is likely . In general, everything in the US Navy is not as bad as it seems at first glance...

[TermNachTer]

Ground forces are already being recruited in exchange for citizenship. The US Army is turning into the Foreign Legion, but this is not surprising, they have a 20% shortfall. It's official, not official - I think it's worse.

[opposite28]

Service in the US Navy for migrants is like a pass to the future and other things from the legendary past of the US Navy; the barrels from Panama alone were worth something in their time