French multipurpose fighter Dassault Rafale

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Dassault Rafale is a French multi-purpose 4 generation fighter developed by Dassault Aviation. This machine is a completely French project - engines, weapons, avionics, as well as its own production and at the moment is an extreme aircraft, created without American or other foreign assistance. The development of the Rafale aircraft began in the 1983 year, for the 2 year before in France officially withdrew from the program to create a promising European fighter FEFA, which was later called the Eurofighter 2000. Rafale, like Eurofighter, is intended for use as a strike fighter-bomber and interceptor, capable of performing the tasks of air superiority and air defense, as well as bombing ground targets.



In 1983, Dassault developed the Avion de Combat Experimentale (ACX) experimental combat aircraft as part of the national program. France from the EFA project came out due to the fact that its armed forces, and especially the navy, wanted to get a compact and light machine, the mass of which was about 8 thousand kg. The demonstration prototype ACX weighing 9,5 thousand kg was brought at that time. For the first time, he took to the 4 July 1986 in the air and helped to check the aerodynamic configuration, characteristics, configuration, remote control system, as well as the design with extensive use of composite materials for the Avion de Combat Tactique project.

Later, ACX was renamed Rafale A. Initially, it was equipped with two dual-circuit turbojet engines General Electric F404-GE-400. After the 460 test flights, which included landing on the deck of the Clemenceau aircraft carrier (touch and go-around), one engine (left) was replaced by the SNECMA M88-2, which was designed specifically for the Rafale.

The Rafale fighter was made according to the “duck” scheme, it has a mid-winged delta wing, with a high-lying forward horizontal tail. The wing is equipped with two-section slats and single-section elevons.

The main material for the wing are carbon plastics. The tips of the consoles and the radome of the wing and fuselage are made of Kevlar - slats of titanium alloys. 50% fuselage made of carbon fiber; Aluminum-lithium alloys are used for side trim panels. In total, in the construction of the Rafale airframe, the share of composites is 20% by area and 25% by weight. As a result, the weight of the airframe decreased by 300 kilogram.

For the French naval forces, the deck version of the fighter was designated Rafale M. It is distinguished by a reinforced chassis and airframe, a brake hook under the tail section of the fuselage, a built-in retractable ladder and so on. At the end of the keel, the Telemir system is installed, which provides data exchange between the aircraft carrier’s navigation equipment and the aircraft’s navigation system. The Rafale M fighter as a result of all the improvements became heavier than the Rafale C on 500 kg.

Rafale aircraft are equipped with a chassis manufactured by Messier-Dowty. On the Rafale aircraft of modifications C and B, the main pillars have pneumatics one each, and the front pylons have two pneumatics. On the deck of the Rafale M, the front support is self-guided. When towing, it turns almost 360 degrees.



On Rafale fighters, all the props are removed forward. All wheels are equipped with carbon brakes manufactured by Messier-Bugatti.

On single Rafale C and M cabin equipped with ejection seat Martin-Baker Mk.16, which ensures the safe escape of the aircraft on the ground when parked. The lantern opens to the right side swiveled to the side. In the control cabin on the dashboard there are three digital liquid crystal multifunction displays. In the center is a tactical display that serves to display flight information and information obtained from various sensors. On the sides are displays showing information on the operation of engines, hydraulic, fuel, oxygen and electrical systems, as well as other equipment.

The power plant of the Rafale is two Snecma М88-2Е4 two-circuit turbojet engines. Each 4970 kgf (in the afterburner mode - 7445 kgf). For Snecma, developing the M88 engine was quite a challenge. The customer needed an engine capable of reliably operating in a maneuverable air battle and during a high-speed breakthrough of the air defense system at low altitude. Those. Requirements provided for a long life, low fuel consumption in various flight modes and a high thrust-to-weight ratio Snecma chose the twin-shaft engine, which was later to be the ancestor of the third-generation engines of French production.

Officially, the M88 engine development program began in 1986. In February, 1989, the first bench test of the engine took place, and in February, 1990, flight tests were started at the demonstration Rafale A. The final certification occurred in 1996.

To obtain a high performance engine, developers used various advanced technologies in engine design. For example, compressor disks were made monolithically with blades, single-crystal blades were used in the construction of a high-pressure turbine, and powder technology was used to manufacture turbine disks. The engine design used ceramic coatings, low-emission combustion chamber and composite materials. The creators of the turbofans were tasked with ensuring the lowest possible thermal visibility of the fighter and reducing smoke, in order to reduce visual visibility.



When creating the engine was used multi-step approach.

On single-seat fighters Rafale C and M, 5900 liters of fuel are placed in the internal tanks, and on the double Rafale B - 5300 liters. On 5 of 14 external suspension assemblies, it is possible to place outboard fuel tanks of various capacities. On the 4, wing nodes are fitted with fuel tanks with a capacity of 1250 liters, and at the central one - with a capacity of 2000 liters.

The cannon armament of the Rafale 30 mm Nexter DEFA 791B cannon, whose rate of fire is 2500 rounds per minute. Ammunition - 125 armor-piercing incendiary tracer cartridges OPIT with bottom fuse.

Missile armament consists of:
- air-to-air missiles: AIM-9, AIM-132, AIM-120, MICA, Majik II, MBDA Meteor;
- air-to-surface missiles: Apache, Storm Shadow, AM.39, AASM, ASMP with nuclear warhead.

Tests and combat use

The experimental fighter Rafale A made its first flight in July 1986 of the year. The first aircraft in the Rafale C variant (single interceptor fighter) took off in May 1991, and the first deck-based aircraft Rafale M, designed to arm French aircraft carriers, took off in December of the same year. According to the plan of serial production, the French Navy and the French Air Force will supply 86 and 235 aircraft, respectively.

The first combat use of Rafale took place in March 2007 during the NATO operation in Afghanistan. In addition, these aircraft since March 2011, the aircraft used in NATO operations in Libya against the troops of Gaddafi.



The operation of the Rafale has not been without incident.
6 December 2007, the trainer of the Rafale B modification flying from the Saint-Dizier air force base, performed a training flight on 18: 30 crashed near the settlement of Nevick (central France). The cause of the crash was a failure in the electric flight control system. Captain Emmanuel Moruze - the pilot of the plane was killed.

24 September 2009, two fighter aircraft modification Rafale M in 30 kilometers from the city of Perpignan fell as a result of a collision in the Mediterranean. The accident occurred in 18: 10, during the return of the machines to the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. The cause of the catastrophe, according to the Bureau of Investigation of Accidents at the Ministry of Defense, was the human factor. The pilot of one fighter, captain of the second rank, Francois Duflo, was killed. Pilot of the second, third-rank captain Jean Bofile catapulted.

November 28 The 2010 fighter of the Rafale M modification, returning to Charles de Gaulle, fell into the Arabian Sea after completing its combat mission to support the coalition forces in Afghanistan. The accident happened in 100 kilometers off the coast of Pakistan. The cause was a technical malfunction. Catapulted the pilot picked up a rescue helicopter.

2 July 2012, the French carrier-based fighter Rafale crashed during exercises. The incident occurred in the Mediterranean with a machine based on Charles de Gaulle. The pilot ejected and was picked up by an American helicopter. In the Mediterranean, carried out joint exercises of the French and American aircraft carriers.

Rafale is in service with the French Air Force and Navy.
Air Force took over the aircraft in 2006 year. As of 2012, the year 38 machines of the Rafale B modification and 37 machines of the Rafale C. are accepted.

The Navy adopted the Rafale M in 2004 year. As of 2012 year, there were 36 aircraft.

In addition, Rafale won the Indian tender, participated in tenders for the supply of fighter jets to Brazil and the United Arab Emirates. 31 January 2012 of the Year Rafale Wins MMRCA International Tender

Modifications:
Rafale A - experimental demonstration Rafale. It was a bit bigger and heavier than the Rafale C / M aircraft. Equipped with a pair of engines F404-GE-400 with thrust 6800 kg (16 thousand pounds), on the basis of their developed engine M88.
Rafale B - double, ground-based. It was ordered as a training version of the Rafale C, while retaining all the functionality.
Rafale C is a multi-purpose ground-based combat aircraft. The original designation of Rafale D, renamed 1990 year. The French Air Force requested 250 machines in single and double versions.
Rafale M is a single-seat multi-purpose carrier-based aircraft. It is similar to the Rafale C, but it is equipped with a landing hook, as well as a modified nasal stance with a variable length. The Navy demanded 86 machines.

Rafale flight performance:
Crew - 1 — 2 man;
The length of the aircraft - 15,3 m;
Height - 5,3 m;
Wingspan - 10,9 m;
Wing area - 45,7 m²;
Empty weight - 10000 kg;
Normal take-off weight - 14710 kg;
Maximum take-off weight - 24500 kg;
Payload mass - 9500 kg;
The mass of fuel - 4700 kg;
The mass of fuel in the outboard fuel engines - 6700 kg;
Engine - 2 two-circuit turbojet SNECMA M88-2 with afterburner;
Dry weight of the engine - 897 kg;
Maximum thrust - 5100 kgf for each engine;
Traction on afterburner - 7500 kgf each engine;
Gas temperature in front of the turbine - 1577 ° C;
Maximum speed - 1,8 Mach (1900 km / h);
The combat radius (in the version of the fighter-interceptor) - 1093 km;
Combat radius - 1800 km
Practical ceiling - 15240 m;
Rate of climb - 305 m / s.

































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  1. +12
    1 March 2013 09: 17
    Beautiful aircraft.
    1. +3
      1 March 2013 12: 04
      50% consists of composites, and 9.5 tons of useful ... craftsmen
      1. +5
        1 March 2013 17: 57
        It is necessary to read carefully, 50% is an external coating, by weight it seems to be 20%. In PAK FA, for example, approximately 80% is covered with composites.
      2. luntik
        +1
        21 June 2014 11: 52
        I read this thread, here all the main specialists of the forum did not determine that according to the payload, rafal should be compared with MiG 35, not Su 30, Su 30 carries an order of magnitude more load than Rafal, if you don’t understand anything , then do not write anything better, because it is ugly and misleading, the Su 30 carries 8 tons of combat rather than payload, and useful in the extreme version can carry about 12 tons
    2. +1
      3 March 2013 00: 29
      Well done, the French understand that you need to develop your VPK
  2. avt
    +18
    1 March 2013 09: 42
    For photographs + But the way the Franks rest against their own military aviation industry is worthy of respect. After all, they are trying to do their own and no Typhoons.
  3. +6
    1 March 2013 09: 51
    High-quality aircraft, such all French - elegant !!!
  4. Vital 33
    +4
    1 March 2013 10: 14
    Yes, the plane is very interesting, and very good (in my opinion). The French are great.
    I used to have a prettier Typhoon, but it seems like Rafal will be even a little better ... a payload of 9,5 tons is impressive !!! Universal device.
    1. +5
      1 March 2013 10: 48
      I liked it very much when I saw his flight. Good maneuverability (at least without bomb load and PTB). I wonder if there were training fights with Typhoon?
    2. 0
      1 March 2013 11: 45
      Apologies for the unintentional "-".
      The page hung a little and there was a "crack" feel
      I will be corrected.
  5. +2
    1 March 2013 10: 22
    I don’t understand much, the thrust of the engines on this plane is ridiculous, only 5100 (for the Sukhovskys as much as 14500 kgf, and not for afterburner, I can be mistaken here, I already asked for clarification on the thrust modes, they did it, smiled and didn’t explain anything))) )) portable bomb load - surpasses the latest Sukhov modifications by 1500 kg.
    So I want to figure it out - how is it?
    Well, how about this aircraft with throttle response (the ability to quickly change speed from one speed to another), rate of climb, maneuverability (the article says that it has good maneuverability, but in comparison, how?) And other important characteristics?
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +10
      1 March 2013 14: 16
      Quote: aksakal
      the thrust of the engines on this plane is ridiculous, only 5100


      Hello dear! So it’s on the MBFR mode good and here the most important thing is specific fuel consumption wink (see tactical range)

      Quote: aksakal
      Sukhov’s already 14500 kgf, and not on afterburner


      You are mistaken!

      Quote: aksakal
      already asked to explain the traction regimes, they did it, they smiled and didn’t explain anything


      Where, when, to whom? Have not seen! Although .. there are a lot of "specials", especially in .. "extreme time" wassat

      Quote: aksakal
      portable bomb load - surpasses the latest Sukhov modifications by 1500 kg.


      It is not correct to compare with Sukhovtsy ... not that .. "weight" category and plus take into account that such a component as RANGE is important here, and the Frenchman takes 9,5 tons only ... unguided weapons and with internal fuel, and if you hang up the UAV , then Damocles and Naflir are hung up in the binding, and if you fly somewhere, then a couple of tanks, here we get. that from 9,5 tons only 2-3 tons remained (although the same ... nothing).

      And Sukhoi in this regard ... simpler and better on the one hand, because work on ground targets with OLS, and also with radar bypass channels .. although accuracy .... well, that’s not the point, but how it took 7-8 tons, and .. wink

      consider working on land and water, with an interceptor there .. easier!
      1. +3
        1 March 2013 15: 19
        WAF, I read your answer on the "Brazilian thread", thanks!
        I realized that this is the class of our MiGam-29 (or MiGam-35).
        I would like to compare in all respects -)))).
        What modes of engines do combat aircraft have?
        I have already noticed that there is traction in afterburner and traction in afterburner mode. And how are they divided in these modes?
        For example, I wrote
        Quote: aksakal
        in Sukhov’s as much as 14500 kgf

        You said that I was wrong. What exactly? Because I wrote about the latest modifications of the SU-27 family, then I thought about the AL-41F1 engine, and he develops just such a thrust, I remember the figure exactly - but I still did not understand in what mode? On this engine, if I am not mistaken, it is the SU-35S that flies.
        If we compare it with the MiG-35, which seems to fly in prototypes, it is clear that the MiG-35 will take a maximum of 6000 kg, but any, like "drying". It's clear here. Radar station for this is planned "Zhuk-A", how much worse is it than Rafalev's? It turns out that the Indians have not in vain put their eyes on the Rafale and do not even want to think about our MiG-35, which is hastily being finalized for the Indians?
        And another question - about the SU-30MKI. He takes 8 tons. The Indians created Brahmos specifically for the SU-30, its weight is about 3.5 tons. But for some reason the SU-30 carries only one missile. Why? Logically, it should pull two + a couple of close air-to-air missiles (you never know, without a fighter escort they shouldn't fly with such a load, but you never know what situations can arise?). And so - one rocket, obviously underload, during a combat mission two boats can go to feed fish and crabs, and so - only one - (((((Misunderstandings? It is clear, they made special mounts for Brahmos, but what prevented them from being made under two rockets?
        1. +8
          1 March 2013 15: 32
          Quote: aksakal
          I realized that this is the class of our MiGam-29 (or MiGam-35).
          I would like to compare in all respects -)))

          The main drawback of the Mig-29m / Mig-35 program is that due to some wisdom ... I will not name, this aircraft has not yet been adopted by its own Air Force.
          And the rest you Vaf better answer))
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +5
            1 March 2013 15: 54
            Quote: Odyssey
            The main drawback of the Mig-29m / Mig-35 program is that due to some reason ...


            Ay Bravo +++++! fellow

            Quote: Odyssey
            whom I will not name, this aircraft has not yet been adopted by its own Air Force.


            As in O. Bender .... "their names are too well known to be ... called" wassat

            There you write about the "obsolescence" of Raphael and .. "weak" radar ... now ... they are "hard" being finalized by 2014, they promise Mark III good
            And on the EW ... correctly said everything .. SONG, especially Spectra good

            1. +3
              1 March 2013 16: 47
              Quote: vaf
              There you write about the "obsolescence" of Raphael and .. "weak" radar ... now ... they are "hard" being finalized by 2014, they promise Mark III

              Technically, the radar is good, but it's small))
              And about obsolescence, now Rafal is in perfect order, but now, what will happen in 6-7 years? When I hope ours will finish the PAK FA, amers can modify the F-35, and the Chinese will make the J-20 / J-31. Then Rafal will no longer look brilliant, and the reserves for modernization at him, IMHO, are not very large.
              Quote: vaf
              As in O. Bender .... "their names are too well known to be ... called"

              If my will would shoot them all nafig!
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +7
                1 March 2013 16: 58
                Quote: Odyssey
                Technically, the radar is good, but it's small


                No longer "small" wink .... at the air show in Bangalore, the French company Thales showed an on-board radar with AFAR RBE2, intended for installation on the Rafale fighter. This is the first and so far the only aircraft radar with an active phased antenna array in Europe. good



                Quote: Odyssey
                If my will would shoot them all nafig!


                you are not alone in your desires, +++++! soldier
                "Chop" such an airplane ....... am

                Just a photo of two ... and the Mig-35 and Mig-35D with pendants ..... good





        2. VAF
          VAF
          +4
          1 March 2013 15: 42
          Quote: aksakal
          read your answer on the "brazilian thread", thanks!

          not counted, always happy! drinks

          Quote: aksakal
          I realized that this is the class of our MiGam-29 (or MiGam-35).

          Absolutely so only to 29M / M2 (K / KUB) well or Mig-35.

          Quote: aksakal
          I would like to compare in all respects -)))).
          What modes of engines do combat aircraft have?


          Well, it's you and me ... "we will deliver" a whole .. article!
          Modes of operation of engines-MG (low gas) -NR (nominal-cruising-minimum fuel consumption and maximum range and duration modes) -MBFR-maximum afterburning mode-MFR-maximum afterburning mode.
          The specific fuel consumption very much depends on the engine operating modes, which is the most important criterion in calculating the range and duration (and it is specific, and not hour and kilometer).

          According to motor 41, this static thrust is given by the developer in the price list and precisely in the MFR mode.

          Yes, the MiG-35 will take it, but ... where will it fly with them.
          Radar Zhuk-MA "in my opinion is better than on Rafal, but ..... again, there is neither OPES nor IRS, although OLS is good, but the range .. is significantly lower. Than Damocles, well, the characteristics are the same.

          Now on the Su-30MKI ..... that brahmos.which is now .. "tied" at the salons on the MCI..this is not the brahmos..specially for the Su-30th another is being developed .. lighter and shorter .. here are their there will be just two.

          There are restrictions on the suspension nodes, especially on the Su-30s due to the thin profile and specific load, therefore, all suspension nodes have different weight restrictions, and 3.5 tons ... it's too much even for FBA

          And that would be .. a lot ... use the X-59 and X-31 e in the RCC version, here they can be -4 wink , and the Chinese even manage to "bind" 6 to J-11 wassat
        3. VAF
          VAF
          +3
          1 March 2013 16: 07
          Quote: aksakal
          And another question - about the SU-30MKI. He takes 8 tons. The Indians created Brahmos specifically for the SU-30, its weight is about 3.5 tons. But for some reason the SU-30 carries only one missile. Why? Logically, it should pull two + a couple of close air-to-air missiles (you never know, without a fighter escort they shouldn't fly with such a load, but you never know what situations can arise?). And so - one rocket, obviously underload, during a combat mission two boats can go to feed fish and crabs, and so - only one - (((((Misunderstandings? It is clear, they made special mounts for Brahmos, but what prevented them from being made under two rockets?


          A clear answer to your post-question .. (large photos that would be immediately clear) +! drinks







          And immediately .. after viewing .. all questions "disappeared" ... why alone. and not two? wink
        4. +1
          1 March 2013 19: 07
          Quote: aksakal
          Hindus created Bramos specifically for the SU-30, its weight is about 3.5 tons

          No, you are mistaken, I recently read that at the last salon in India a mock-up of a "bramos" for the Su-30Mka was exhibited, which is shorter and lighter, something about 2 tones.
    2. +2
      1 March 2013 15: 18
      Quote: aksakal
      Sukhov’s already 14500 kgf, and not on afterburner

      This is the fast and the furious Su-35, and that is not a fact. And then compare the weight of the aircraft.
      Quote: aksakal
      portable bomb load - surpasses the latest Sukhov modifications by 1500 kg.

      The layout is thought out, the engines are economical, and rarely he wears 9,5 tons))
      Quote: aksakal
      Well, like this aircraft with throttle response (the ability to quickly change speed from one speed to another), rate of climb, maneuverability

      Rafale: around 20 seconds from 300 km / hr to 1,000 km / hr at low altitude.
      Rafale: 305 m / sec +, sea-level
      Rafale: 1.02 TSU 1.03
      1. +2
        1 March 2013 15: 30
        Quote: Odyssey
        This is the fast and the furious Su-35, and that is not a fact. And then compare the weight of the aircraft.

        - Yes, the VAF explained that it’s somewhere in the class for the MiG-35. But for some reason, the bomb load does not look, a light aircraft or a heavy one, it is somehow not suitable for a heavy aircraft to take on board the same amount (even 1500 kg less) than Rafal. It’s clear that there are nuances, thanks to the VAF, I explained, but as if the fact itself - that with which Rafal flies without problems, a heavier class plane will not even take off - ((((. I am silent about the MiG-35.

        Quote: Odyssey
        Rafale: around 20 seconds from 300 km / hr to 1,000 km / hr at low altitude. Rafale: 305 m / sec +, sea-level Rafale: 1.02 TSU 1.03

        Thank you so much! Do you have the same data on the MiG-35? I would be very grateful!
        1. +2
          1 March 2013 16: 37
          Quote: aksakal
          But for some reason the bomb load doesn’t look, a light aircraft or a heavy one, it’s somehow hard for a heavy aircraft to take on board the same amount (even 1500 kg less) than Rafal

          Unfortunately, we always lagged behind in terms of combat load. But in the case of Rafal it doesn’t matter so much. He has weapons on external suspensions, and the tactics of his use (like all modern Western aircraft) are based on a small EPR. And if he take 9 tons of load, it will shine hoo))
          Quote: aksakal
          Thank you so much! Do you have the same data on the MiG-35? I would be very grateful!

          The rate of climb is 330 m / s, the thrust-weight ratio is 1.03, I won’t tell you about acceleration right away, but I believe that it’s no worse than on the Mig-29, and there it was 13,5 seconds from 600 to 1100. In general, with the maneuverability of the Mig-35 everything is okay, here it, IMHO, only the Typhoon and the Reptor can skip. And the Reptor is a prehistoric creature, so it's hard to talk about it reliably))
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +3
            1 March 2013 17: 22
            Quote: Odyssey
            But in the case of Rafal, this does not matter so much. He has weapons on external suspensions, and the tactics of his use (like all modern Western aircraft) are based on a small EPR. And if he takes 9 tons of load


            But I like to know what? True, the article does not write about this (maybe not in the know?). although mention of engines ..experienced that is request

            so ... also in 2001 conformal fuel tanks were developed for Rafal. which can be installed in 2 hours. good
            KTB has a length of 7,5 m, and holds 1150 liters of fuel.
            At the same time, Rafal can carry 3 more PTBs of 2000 liters each. Given the internal tanks, the total capacity can reach 11850l good

            for example .. our Su-35S with 11 liters has a range of 000 km, and Rafal only with an internal reserve of 3 km .. and .. we will feel the difference recourse

            And with a combat load, as options:
            -With three PTBs and the 8th MIAS UR, the combat radius of action is 1760 km.
            - With 4 UR MIASA, 12th AB of a caliber of 250 kg and 2 PTB with a capacity of 4000 l - 1055 km.

            On the prototype, the mode of afterburning sound flight was achieved corresponding to the number M = 1,4 and with only one new M88 engine, and the second was .. typical F-404 wink
            1. +3
              1 March 2013 21: 05
              Waf, thanks, I learned a lot! It turns out in its own way a very good plane, if we take the ratio of its own mass and payload. If we take such a characteristic as "how much 1 kgf pulling force on itself", there is hardly such a characteristic, but in Rafal it catches the eye, here the Frenchman is completely unique.
              But! If the Hindu tender "hangs", or even is canceled altogether, we will speak bluntly, Rafal's sales plans are completely failed! Yesterday on the Brazilian branch it was clearly announced that Russia has become more active in another old French fiefdom and will most likely squeeze Brazil out of the French in the area of ​​air defense. And Medvedev was able to do it. If Furious himself goes there on a visit, then Russia can squeeze all Latin from the French. Well, maybe, somewhere in the Embraers, you will have to buy, but in Russia a lot of Airbus junk flies, nothing terrible will happen for the Superjet and others.
              What am I doing? Does the buyer value his wallet? I understand that the arms market is very politicized, sales depend on the political weight of the state, but if the weapons are poor, no political weight will force the buyer to buy it! Rafal has completely failed in this regard. Does it somehow characterize him?
              And I’ll also note that if the Russian plans for pushing up Brazil are successful, and in India it works out as it should, then France, in order not to lose its competencies, will have to go to Russia as a picker and subcontractor, which is already evident in some positions and trends, and that actually good!
    3. StolzSS
      0
      1 March 2013 18: 32
      Well, as it is, it’s very simple that the climb rate of 305 is written, well, it’s clear that it’s empty and with half the fuel in the tanks), 9500 write the maximum load well and how many suspension points on it and how much can each be loaded? it’s silent and in fact most likely it turns out again that you can’t hook all 9500 and if you hook it up how much fuel can be loaded it’s understandable that it’s not to the eyeball))) and if it is not to the eyeballs it means you have to refuel in the air and this is another song .... Again, what is the radius of the turn is not clear at different loads, well, it’s obvious that the marine version has a load of 4500 well, maybe 5000 because the design was strengthened and it gobbled up decently in weight and fuel capacity .... yes, purely advertising booklet characteristics are clearly written here in real life 10 -15 percent can be thrown off and it will be an excellent result .... again about the characteristics of avionics silent, and this is much more significant than the maximum load in my opinion ....
  6. +3
    1 March 2013 10: 33
    Beautiful glider, two engines, a large number of suspensions, universal. Well done French, and I just like him.
  7. +5
    1 March 2013 11: 07
    Well, I don’t know, I personally have the whole picture of the beauty of this plane spoiled by a non-retractable refueling bar (well, or xs whatever it is called correctly). I can imagine what resistance it creates when flying on supersonic. Okay, even though the chassis retracts wink
    1. 0
      1 March 2013 11: 34
      It also seemed to me "blinded from what it was" smile
  8. +1
    1 March 2013 11: 33
    I didn’t understand a bit ..... With normal take-off weight, the thrust-to-weight ratio is more than one .... at full load of 24 tons (I wonder how it behaves in the air) it’s probably 0,7. But the weight of the device is 10 tons, and the thrust of both is 15 tons on the afterburner.
    The mass of fuel in outboard fuel engines is 6700 kg .... what is it all about?
    1. VAF
      VAF
      0
      1 March 2013 15: 43
      Quote: regin
      Did not quite understand..


      Volod, hello! What exactly ..don't understand? wink
      1. +2
        1 March 2013 19: 51
        Greetings to Sergei. The ratio of mass and thrust-to-weight ratio, and according to the performance characteristics of how it flies at full load ... thanks in advance ... right now I'm sitting, collecting SU-24 (modelka) calms my nerves))))
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +1
          1 March 2013 20: 21
          Quote: regin
          The ratio of mass and thrust-to-weight ratio


          The thrust-to-weight ratio in the "price lists" is considered as follows .. loaded weight + fuel (max. Internal tanks), ie. normal take-off weight (G cracked normal) so it is then divided by the total thrust (if there are two motors) on the afterburner ..... and we get the thrust-to-weight ratio.

          As it flies on performance characteristics it is only in the ILE ... of course, there can be no talk of any numbers on overloads that are indicated in the "prices" and the maximum speeds are the same.

          below gave data on ranges depending on suspensions and fuel as well as restrictions on the number M when only one conformal tank is suspended, so too much for these numbers .. don’t bother.

          With G max.take off, "sharp" movements are generally unacceptable ... and the take-off speed is greater and the pitch angle is less, the flaps are retracted later (on large machines, generally in two steps), but after reaching the required speeds that allow you to move away from the "second flight modes "you can already pedal.
          But do not forget that with the flight time the weight increases and the restrictions go down, when performing the combat use of the (real) PTB, they are reset, and with the pendants .. you can, in principle, fly in an adult, but only fly. Suspension must be used in exactly the same ranges for altitude, speed and overload!
    2. +2
      1 March 2013 18: 34
      Quote: regin
      .. at a full load of 24 tons (I wonder how it behaves in the air) it’s probably 0,7. But the weight of the device is 10 tons, and the thrust of both is 15 tons on the afterburner.
      The mass of fuel in outboard fuel engines is 6700 kg .... what is it all about?

      At full load after takeoff, it can fly only in a straight line; any maneuvering will be dangerous due to the very small permissible angles of attack in the transverse plane, the bend radius is more than a kilometer, in general it will fly with such a load as a cow, and about suspended fuel. engines there is a typo (tanks)
      1. +2
        1 March 2013 19: 53
        Thank you. I wanted to find out that with a full load this is no longer a fighter, but a simple delivery man)
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +2
          1 March 2013 20: 30
          Quote: regin
          that at full load it’s not a fighter, but a simple delivery man)


          Volodya is mistaken .... with a full load in the version of a fighter (photo above, where he is with V-V missiles) this is a very serious fighter. soldier

          Ah .. "delivery man" is you wrong ..... very good fighter-bomber with weapons for work on land or on water wink
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        1 March 2013 20: 27
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        it will be dangerous due to the very small permissible angles of attack in the transverse plane, the radius of the turn,


        Not very true, because if you perform a steady turn, then the angle of attack before entering is constant. and if you increase it, then you increase the angular velocity of movement.
        Here, basically everything depends on the flight speed and the angle of heel, and that’s what it affects the radius (turn or turn), but at speeds over 700 km / h in the true direction .. There are no restrictions on the roll because of the suspensions, but on application .. is! wink
        It is clear that with such a load it will fly not as empty .. but not like a cow .. it's 100%.
        About tanks, yes, they printed incorrectly .. they can be 3 and 2 tons each!
  9. +3
    1 March 2013 11: 35
    And I don’t like the wretched kind of misunderstanding, the Yak 130 is more beautiful not to mention the instant and drying
    1. -6
      1 March 2013 18: 20
      Of course, you have all the wretched things that are not done in Russia.
  10. +3
    1 March 2013 12: 31
    Nice plane, the main thing that they do.
  11. +3
    1 March 2013 13: 10
    Well done French, they have a good military-industrial complex and the policy is independent of the State Department (at least it was). In the Cold War, being at the forefront of two blocs, it does not enter (or rather leave) NATO; this is worthy of respect. Nuclear bomb, mbr, submarines, aircraft, aircraft carriers, tanks - all their own, dear. And for the most part, not cheap copying, but a competent thought-out process.
    If the Germans and the French had forgotten the old grievances and fraternized, it would be such a force that would breathe life into the old world and finally tear it from the corrupting influence of the United States. I am sure that Russia would not have such an alliance as an adversary, much less an enemy.
    1. 0
      13 January 2015 11: 42
      Hang on ...
  12. +1
    1 March 2013 13: 41
    informatively!
  13. +1
    1 March 2013 14: 56
    Excellent aircraft. The electronic warfare system is simply chic. That's just because of the small locator, and not the smallest ESR for a promising aircraft, Rafal will become outdated pretty quickly.
  14. FID
    +7
    1 March 2013 15: 34
    If we consider the "duck" scheme - I like Grippen more!
    1. Kir
      +3
      1 March 2013 18: 03
      for me it’s not so pretty
      1. MilaPhone
        +1
        2 March 2013 12: 36
        Quote: SSI
        If we consider the "duck" scheme - I like Grippen more!

        Isn't Rafale a tailless one? On which the French ate the dog.
        1. FID
          +1
          2 March 2013 19: 35

          Tailless or duck - about the same. Both PGO (front horizontal plumage). And who ate the most dogs - the French or the Swedes - you still need to look ... This is again the Flu.
  15. Passing
    +5
    1 March 2013 15: 46
    The article is rather weak, the history of creation and flight performance is of course good, and for some carrier this description is enough, but in the description of the fighter to skip the composition and performance characteristics of avionics (radar, optics, etc.) it’s kind of not deep right, because this is what determines half, if not more, the effectiveness of a fighter.
  16. Kir
    +4
    1 March 2013 18: 17
    The author is an author, but how is it possible, here either a common "blunder" or still not without the participation of amers, it seems already tired of saying Kevlar is not a class of polymeric materials, but a proprietary name just the same DuPont (made in US). yes, and a schematic like how for clarity it would be possible to add, and about the maximum angle of attack as a comparison with other machines of the 4th generation, it would be worth bringing, But in general, thanks !!!
  17. +3
    1 March 2013 20: 37
    + frigates of the FREMM type + VBCI armored personnel carrier + AML-56 Leclerc tanks .. Here's an example worthy of imitation.
  18. edge731
    +4
    2 March 2013 01: 15
    I was surprised by the maximum take-off weight. It is also unexpected that the car is "purely" French - what other country can boast of "this"?
    1. FID
      +1
      3 March 2013 13: 13
      Quote: bord731
      It is also unexpected that the car is "purely" French - what other country can boast of "this"

      I think the USSR can boast !!!
  19. pinecone
    +1
    4 March 2013 14: 04
    Today's French military-industrial complex is largely the legacy of General Degoll, who fiercely hated the Anglo-Saxons.
  20. -1
    4 March 2013 21: 15
    how long ago did "Rafal" become a fighter of the 4th generation? he seemed to be the 5th at the beginning, like the eurofighter with gripen

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