Yak-130M: training or combat?

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Yak-130M: training or combat?


Today we are reviewing the modernized Yakovlev Yak-130M. The aircraft is interesting, since the first model, the Yak-130, will soon turn 15 years old. And the Yak-130 made its first flight back in 1996. In general, it’s time for modernization.



But first, you need to understand a little about how a training aircraft differs from a combat trainer. This will help evaluate the class and capabilities of the new modification.

So, training aircraft. This is a class of machines in which pilots undergo training and aerobatic training under the guidance of an instructor. Two-seater vehicles, easy to drive, not burdened with frills such as radar and combat systems. They are simply not needed there.


Here is one of the representatives of this class, the German Grob G 120TP. Pilots from more than two dozen countries, including the United States, train on it. An absolutely peaceful airplane with a turboprop engine and excellent equipment inside.


Combat training is the next step. There are like two classes here. The first is machines like the Embraer EMB 312 Tucano, essentially training aircraft, but with the ability to carry weapons.


The Toucan is used by many countries as an anti-terrorist and anti-guerrilla aircraft. It carries small arms and unguided missiles and bombs, but this is quite sufficient for tasks such as training combat pilots and working on militants. Can be combined.

Of course, there is no protection, but given that such aircraft are planned to be used against armed small arms weapons formations, sufficient speed and maneuverability.

The second stage is jet combat training aircraft. There are a lot of them here too, this category includes the Yak-130.


These are mainly aircraft equipped with turbojet engines, with the ability to carry weapons. Mostly uncontrollable, since the presence of a radar for combat training aircraft is not a mandatory feature.

But in the second group there is, as it were, an exception. This is a group of aircraft whose characteristics are somewhat different from the general mass.

Towards superiority


The ancestor can safely be called such a strange machine as the brainchild of Breguet Aviation, Dassault Aviation and Dornier Flugzeugwerke, called Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jet. This aircraft was ordered by some countries as a combat training aircraft, but the Luftwaffe did not waste time on trifles and wanted a light and agile attack aircraft. And they received an aircraft that was superior to the A-10 Warthog in many respects.


The Alpha Jet was armed with a 27mm Mauser cannon with 150 rounds of ammunition and guided weapons: 2 missiles AIM-9 Sidewinder, 2 Matra Magic IIs, 2 AGM-65 Mavericks. Naturally, the aircraft was equipped with a radar. That is, in essence, the Alpha Jet was a light combat aircraft that could be used as a trainer.

Here is the hero of our story from these. The Yak-130 can safely be classified as second class. This is a real training aircraft with wide capabilities, on which you can, if necessary, hang a set of weapons. Not very big, not very controllable, since there is no radar in the basic configuration, but it is possible. The result is a light attack aircraft of a bad time.

The Yak-130M is exactly in the same category as the German-French miracle from the last century. This machine is more like a light combat aircraft that can be used as a training aircraft. And this promises many more benefits.


From the information taken from the pages of the Yakovlev PJSC website, we can conclude that the work was carried out very seriously, and the Yak-130M is far from the same as the Yak-130. You know, Tu-22 and Tu-22M immediately come to mind, the name is very similar, and the functionality...

What did the Yakovlev engineers do to transfer the Yak-130M to a different category of complexity?


1. We are talking about changing all on-board electronics. This is done so that the Yak-130M can use the entire range of weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces. In itself, a very useful step: it will be possible to train pilots to use various types of missiles and bombs that are in service with the Aerospace Forces, without wasting the resource of modern combat aircraft.

2. Equipping the Yak-130M with a compact, lightweight and inexpensive radar. The second important step, because equipping the aircraft with a radar and changing the avionics are links in one chain, at the end of which the Yak-130M crew will be able to use guided missiles and bombs.

Usually, radars are not installed on aircraft of this class, and here the Yak-130M immediately becomes one of the exceptions. But it's worth it. The photo immediately shows the much longer nose of the aircraft, where the radar was installed.


Data on the radar-130r is not provided, but: the Tikhomirov Research Institute five years ago proposed a radar for the Yak-130 called BARS-130. It was demonstrated at MAKS 2019 at the Irkut exposition.


Even then, experts concluded that the BARS-130 is an adapted Osa radar with a Skat-M passive phased array antenna, developed at one time for the MiG-29UBT.

Even in those distant times, when the Yak-130 was just beginning to fly, the Tikhomirovites said that they could easily and naturally adapt their small-sized radar to this aircraft.

This is how the BARS-130 first appeared, and then, on its basis, the BRLS-130r was made. The chain can be traced quite normally, the only thing is how far the new radar is different from its predecessors remains a question.


For now, we can provide data on the Osa radar, which was announced at the Farnborough Air Show in 1998:
Range, km:
— detection (target ESR — 5 m²) — 85
— target acquisition for automatic tracking — 65
Simultaneous tracking - up to 10 targets
Simultaneous attack - 4 targets
Weight, kg - 120
Power consumption, W - 100
Weight of the Skat-M antenna, kg - 22

Here, of course, you can give free rein to your imagination, but “Granny Osa” a quarter of a century ago demonstrated quite normal performance, which today the Yak-130M would be more than enough for work.

But here we can safely say that the two modernizations that were carried out within the walls of the Research Institute of Instrument Engineering named after V.V. Tikhomirov did not pass without a trace, and today the BRLS-130r, in any case and in any case, will differ from the Osa only for the better .


In general, with such an antenna, let’s say, “boosted” to 100 km in range and even provided that the target’s ESR decreases slightly in reception, we can say that the Yak-130M can easily successfully attack targets such as helicopters and even outdated aircraft designs. Something like MiG-29, Mirage-2000. But engaging in a full-fledged air battle with a modern combat aircraft would be, to put it mildly, imprudent.

3. OLS - optical location station. Here is a photo of everything tasty for an airplane, on the left there is a hefty box, more than a radar - that’s it. On the right is the radar. Feel the difference, as they say.




Nowadays, it is more than a useful thing, because radars are not always good at dealing with targets such as UAVs or BECs made of wood, cardboard and plastic. Or with cruise missiles, the EPR of which is getting lower and lower.

Here, by the way, the best illustration is the Iranian-Israeli showdown. Israeli aviation coped well with Iranian missiles, tracking them precisely by their heat signatures.

If the Krasnogorsk OMZ named after Zverev can really equip aircraft with good OLS, then the Yak-130M will make a very useful interceptor drones and cruise missiles, which is more than relevant in our time.

4. BKO. Onboard defense complex. This is what fundamentally distinguishes a training aircraft from a combat aircraft, because with the BKO the aircraft can not only attack targets using any guidance means, but also defend itself, which makes its participation in combat operations COMPLETE.

A training aircraft on which a cannon with ammunition, a couple of containers with NURS and a couple of bombs were hung in a container is not very serious. Yes, such a vehicle is able to fly up to the front line of the enemy’s defense, taking advantage of its small size and ability to fly very low and spit its ammunition somewhere in the direction of the enemy according to the principle “at whomever God sends.” There was never any talk about precision bombing and throwing NURS in such cases; here the work is purely area-based.

And yes, any MANPADS, even the most ancient ones, became a mortal threat to such an “attack aircraft.”

Apparently, this will be an adapted version of the President-S system, which has proven itself more than worthy in tests. Considering that we tested the Igloy protection system, which is still the best MANPADS in the world today, the President will be very good against the Stingers.


BKO "President-S" includes the following stations, which can be combined and placed optionally depending on the type and purpose of the aircraft:
— control device (CU);
— radar exposure warning station (RWA);
— laser irradiation warning station (SPLO);
— missile attack warning station (RAS);
— aviation consumables ejection device:
— anti-radar cartridges, infrared radiation cartridges, cartridges with disposable jammers (SPOI);
— active radio jamming station (ARI);
— incoherent optical-electronic suppression station (SOEP);
— laser station for optical-electronic suppression (LSOSEP).

OBE modules can be installed inside the aircraft fuselage, but if the size of the aircraft does not allow this, then individual blocks can easily be suspended under the wings. Not the best option for solving problems with accommodation, however, it is much better than the option of an aircraft without a BCO.

So, there is a radar (even if not with a radius of 400 km), there is a BKO (and quite modern) and there is an OLS. Plus, if not stealth, which is applicable to fifth-generation aircraft, but the stealth of a small aircraft capable of operating at ultra-low altitudes.

And here the question is: with what?



It is clear that the Yak-130 is not an air fighter, at least for the majority of fighters it is food. Helicopter, UAV - Yes, although there are helicopters in the world that even a fighter can spread its wings.

But it seems to me that the ideal targets for the Yak-130M are ground targets. This is a Su-25 at minimum wage, more advanced in terms of electronics, not a front-line aircraft, which, being protected by armor, can iron the enemy’s positions, but a minor nuisance that will approach point-blank unnoticed, dump everything it has and just as calmly leave back home.

Well, yes, all the same FAB-250, of which the 130th can take 4 pieces, and with UMPC modules...


In general, the Yak-130M as a front-line aircraft looks even preferable to the Su-25.

Yes, it has armor, a good BKO "Vitebsk", a range, but... "Rook" is completely outdated with its set of unguided or almost guided weapons such as the old Soviet Kh-29 or Kh-25 missiles, for the use of which you need to see the target visually. And the defense complex as it is is not bad, but not good either, and air-to-air missiles clearly do not save you from modern missiles. But there is no radar, which already puts the old attack aircraft one step below the small dirty trick, capable of operating any weapon from the vast arsenal of the Aerospace Forces.

In addition, laser or television seekers of old Su-25 missiles require the direct participation of the pilot in the guidance process, and in the Yak-130M there will not be an instructor, but an operator who can, without distracting the pilot, strike the enemy with all the ammunition.

And if you let the Yak-130M operate with missiles like the Kh-59MK2 or Kh-69, then you will get a Su-57 in a minimal configuration. Moreover, it is still unknown who will be cooler in terms of stealth: the Su-57 with stealth technology or the Yak-130M, whose size is the key to a small EPR. And detecting it at a distance of more than 300 km is as difficult as the most sophisticated stealth fighter.

And the last question: do you see a training aircraft here? With a radar, optical-location system, thermal imager, defense complex? I wish all our training aircraft were like this!


In fact, the Yak-130M is more suitable for the role of a light combat aircraft like the Alpha Jet and similar more modern aircraft like the Korean KAI T-50 Golden Eagle, the Czech L-159 and so on.

But in general, our aircraft can be much superior to its classmates precisely in terms of equipment.

Probably, the question will arise about upgrading all the Yak-130s available in the VKS to the 130M level, but this is a matter of the distant future due to many factors at once. Yes, the temptation to get 120 attack aircraft over the course of several years is great. This is exactly how many Yak-130s are in use today.

However, we should not forget that flying training should not be abandoned either. Aviation schools work on the Yak-52 and PZL Swidnik, the next step is the Aero L-39 and Yak-130 in higher schools. Moreover, the Czech plane is already being withdrawn to history for length of service.

Is it worth converting all existing Yak-130s into combat ones? Of course not. A machine like the Yak-130M is not needed for a first-year cadet. Anyway, the initial part of the training program is flight training, and there the use of such a machine is simply illogical.

Another question is that in every school or training center it would be nice to have a certain (small) number of Yak-130M aircraft precisely in order to polish the training of young pilots in terms of working with radar and OLS, and the use of guided missile weapons, at least in theory.

Both cars have promise. The Yak-130 has proven itself well over the past ten years since the start of its operation as an “aircraft”. The Yak-130M will be able to significantly raise the level of combat training of young Aerospace Forces pilots and become a very good fighter on the front line. It takes very little time to check this.
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  1. -13
    22 August 2024 05: 49
    Why not apply the principle of protection and armoring of the SU-25 to the Yak-130M? Of course, based on new lightweight materials that are not inferior to the armor of the SU-25.
    On the use of Yak-130M. This is patrolling around cities and significant objects to detect and destroy any enemy UAVs. Of course with the appropriate equipment for this.
    I don’t know whether the Yak-130M will be able to fight Storm Sadow and Hymers in tandem with an air defense system guiding them, or an AWACS aircraft, in missile-threat directions.
    The only question is the price of the aircraft, so that the price-quality ratio is reasonable. soldier
    1. 11+
      22 August 2024 05: 59
      patrolling around cities and significant objects to detect and destroy any UAVs
      This machine is designed for took off, completed the mission and returned to base. Not at all for long loitering
      1. -4
        22 August 2024 07: 49
        Maybe the example is not entirely successful, but remember PO-2. They found a place for him in the military ranks.
        Likewise, the Yak-130M will take its place.
        1. +5
          22 August 2024 10: 23
          The Po-2 is, in general, probably the most efficient aircraft on the ground. When you read what they did, you are amazed.
          Another such example is Swordfish. They couldn’t hit it because the fire control system could no longer enter such a low speed into the calculations. And due to this low speed, its pilots aimed at the bull's eye. And I laughed as one of the waves of Swordfish could not catch up with the Bismarck! Catch up!
          Another example. Ukrainian long-range drones. Pathetic bastards of the "Cessna" and radio-controlled model aircraft, and how many problems!
          In war, everything has a place. You just need to find him.
          1. +1
            22 August 2024 11: 18
            Quote: MCmaximus
            And I laughed as one of the waves of Swordfish could not catch up with the Bismarck! Catch up!

            The funny thing is that, according to pre-war ideas, deck torpers were needed by the fleet precisely in order to catch up with enemy high-speed light ships and disrupt their progress with their torpedoes. This made it possible for British low-speed armored vehicles to catch up and destroy the enemy. smile
            Moreover, the heirs of “Avosek” - “Albakorov” - had the same problem. The coordinated attack on the Tirpitz on 09.03.1942/XNUMX/XNUMX fell apart precisely because the Albacores, due to lack of speed, were unable to reach positions for the attack.
            At 8.42 am, Lieutenant Commander Lucas spotted the Tirpitz on a bearing of 140° at a distance of 20 miles. He turned directly towards the battleship, and the planes began to climb to an altitude of 3500 feet, intending to enter the enemy's head. Radar contact with the battleship was established at a distance of 16 miles. However, the maximum speed of the Albacores was only 155 knots, and the Tirpitz was sailing at a speed of 29 knots almost against a wind of 35 knots. So the best Lucas could hope for was an interception speed of about 95 knots. This meant that it would take at least half an hour until the planes were in position to attack. These half an hour had to be spent in the clouds, fighting icing. In addition, fighters from Norwegian airfields could appear at any minute. In fact the approach speed turned out to be no more than 40 knots, as the Albacores were heavily laden and attempting to gain altitude. Lucas gave the order to act independently.
            © E. Frere-Cook. "The Hunt for the Tirpitz." cit. by Scofield B. Russian convoys.
      2. -1
        22 August 2024 12: 01
        Mr. Mikhsel, do you know what loitering is? And I had to see the combat loitering of Soviet aviation in 1976, when 400 aircraft loitered for several hours near the Chinese border, issuing an airborne eight. And the Yak-130M will also be able to remain in the air at minimum speed for several hours, both as a reconnaissance aircraft and as an anti-UAV weapon.
        I would like to hear the opinion of a real combat pilot, and not, excuse me, armchair experts.
        1. -2
          22 August 2024 12: 37
          Today is some kind of day, the minusoids just kicked me, but Russian sailors don’t give up! drinks
          1. +2
            22 August 2024 14: 19
            Quote: V.
            the minusoids just kicked me, but Russian sailors don’t give up!

            Oh, how it gets more interesting every time. The question immediately arose, where could a Russian sailor
            Quote: V.
            see the combat patrolling of Soviet aviation in 1976, when 400 aircraft patrolled for several hours near the Chinese border, writing out the air eight..
        2. +4
          22 August 2024 14: 16
          Quote: V.
          And I had to see the combat patrolling of Soviet aviation in 1976, when 400 aircraft patrolled for several hours near the Chinese border, writing out the air eight...

          And where did this happen? Do I have a patrol area, given the length of the Soviet-Chinese border? And where could you observe this if they were writing figure eight along the entire Soviet-Chinese border? And what types of aircraft patrolled along this border? MiG-21? MiG-23? MiG-25? Su-15? Tu-16 or An-12? Or all at once one after another? At what distance from the border was this carried out? It was very interesting, I had never heard of this before...
          1. -1
            22 August 2024 14: 39
            How old are you, Doubting Thomas, and where were you in 1976? What can I tell you if you know absolutely nothing about Soviet-Chinese relations at that time?
            Find a friend who served in Transbaikalia at that time and he will tell you everything if you think that I am telling fairy tales. hi
            1. +3
              22 August 2024 16: 39
              Quote: V.
              Find a friend who served in Transbaikalia at that time and he will tell you everything if you think that I am telling fairy tales.

              Of course they are fairy tales. And if you don't tell them, you are simply lying, to put it mildly. You heard the ringing, but you don't know where it is. I know about Soviet-Chinese relations at that time, and judging by what you write, I know no worse than you. The fact that in 1976, when Mao Zedong died, both the Zabaikalsky and KDVO units were put on high alert is a fact, but the fact that 400 planes were in the air SIMULTANEOUSLY, as you write, and circled along the border for several hours, and you, as a Russian sailor, watched this, is complete nonsense. By the way, how did you watch them, such a mass of planes? With binoculars? Well, you still haven't answered the question, what types of planes were patrolling along the Chinese border for several hours? At least name the type, I won't even ask about the altitude and how far from the border they were flying. Otherwise you'll start telling us how you flew at extremely low altitude over the Amur. Although as a sailor you couldn't fly. Especially in Transbaikalia.
              1. +1
                22 August 2024 17: 31
                Are you out of your mind? What are you making up? I am a professional riverman, a sailor, I was drafted into the army and was on combat duty in the Strategic Missile Forces from 1975 to 1977. And I watched 400 aircraft patrolling the division at the same time for several hours.
                Yes, after the death of MAO Zedong on September 6, the Western Military District was put on the highest alert, and aviation was scrambled to prevent Chinese provocation.
                50 years have passed, what types of aircraft, what are you talking about, at that time I could only recognize civilian aircraft. Can you recognize the make of an aircraft at an altitude of 8-10 km? And I did not write that they flew along the entire Chinese border, but only in our defense sector, and then there was also a secrecy regime.
                Why are you so annoying, you bore me so much. Put minuses but don't write to me anymore.
                stop
                1. 0
                  22 August 2024 23: 49
                  Quote: V.
                  carried out combat duty in the Strategic Missile Forces from 1975 to 1977. And observed patrolling over the division simultaneously within 400 aircraft for several hours.

                  That is, while you were at the base, in the Strategic Missile Forces troops on the border with China, you observed how Soviet planes flew for several hours at an altitude of 8-10000 meters?!!!
                  Quote: V.
                  And I didn’t write that they flew along the entire Chinese border, but only in our defense sector, and then there was also a regime of secrecy.

                  Well, yes, in your defense sector, and it’s so secret that no one except you has seen them!!!
                  Quote: V.
                  Why are you so annoying, you bore me so much. Put minuses but don't write to me anymore.

                  As soon as you stop writing all this nonsense here with a smart face, I will immediately stop writing. My colleague said it right
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  Looks like you were drunk
                  1. +1
                    23 August 2024 13: 04
                    At that time, the Strategic Missile Forces crews were required to report on all flights over the launchers, and they monitored the air and the perimeter of the launcher. At the slightest danger, you reported on command. Yes, they killed both cattle and mushroom pickers who wandered into the protected territory. What troops did you serve in, uncle? You are very literate in sausage scraps.
                    I don’t remember before or after the events of MAO’s death, Marshal Tolubko came and thanked me for my service.
                    1. +1
                      23 August 2024 13: 58
                      Quote: V.
                      The Strategic Missile Forces crews at that time were required to report on all flights over the launchers, and monitored the air and the perimeter of the launcher. At the slightest danger, you report on command.

                      Air surveillance was carried out by air defense troops; for aircraft of law enforcement agencies and Aeroflot there were separate air corridors that ran past the location of some military units. This time. How can a ground observer watching an aircraft flying at an altitude of more than 8000 meters and at a distance of 10 km determine whether it is dangerous or not? That's two. And if we assume that he is carrying it, then what could you do? NOTHING!!!. In order to determine what danger this or that aircraft posed, there were air defense units that covered the positional area of ​​the Strategic Missile Forces units. But not a ground observer on a Strategic Missile Forces unit located far from the position area, located deep from the border on the territory of the USSR? As I understand it, you served in the 47th Missile Division of the Strategic Missile Forces, whose headquarters was stationed in Olovyannaya, not far from Chita? . ..
                      Quote: V.
                      Yes, they killed both livestock and mushroom pickers who wandered into the protected area.

                      You might also tell me that you often had to write letters home from the trench, on the boot of a dead comrade, with a simple pencil, because the ink in the pen froze from the frost. What dead mushroom pickers, man, are you really smoking? Have you ever seen the perimeter of the security of the Strategic Missile Forces facilities? They were already equipped with technical security equipment back then. And if in our training camp in 1983 they started installing surveillance cameras, then in the Strategic Missile Forces I think this was done much earlier. What mushroom picker could get past the perimeter of the protected facility, division or unit of the Strategic Missile Forces? Three rows of fencing, and one electrified... Although as a "conscript parachutist of the Strategic Missile Forces", who did not go beyond the AHT, you simply might not know this. That's why you write here all sorts of nonsense typical for this type of conscripts...
                      Quote: V.
                      What troops did you serve in, uncle? Painfully literate in sausage trimmings

                      In the Air Force, and if in more detail, then the OBS and RTO of the Air Force, first at 239 Baranovichi IAD SGV, then at 83 BAD and 303 SAD KDVO, if that tells you anything. And unlike you, I didn’t have to understand sausage trimmings; we weren’t entitled to scraps according to allowance standards.
                      Quote: V.
                      I don’t remember before or after the events of MAO’s death, Marshal Tolubko came and thanked him for his service.

                      Well, I remember for sure that in the autumn of 1983, Marshal of Aviation, Hero of the Soviet Union Pavel Stepanovich Kutakhov came to us in Klyuchevo at the ZKP, and as a result of his visit, I got my first gratitude in my personal file. So what? Are we going to measure carrots? Well, I also have one from the commander of the Internal Affairs Directorate troops, Marshal of the Soviet Union Kulikov in 1986. From the commanders of the KDVO, Colonel General Novozhilov in 1991, and in 2007 from Colonel General Bulgakov, and so what?
                      1. 0
                        23 August 2024 14: 17
                        You just crossed the line when you started to experience senile insanity, quite early. You no longer understand what they are saying to you, and you live in your own world.
                        How many times must I repeat for you to get rid of me? Find someone as senile as you and beat each other's brains out.
                      2. 0
                        23 August 2024 14: 46
                        Quote: V.
                        You just crossed the line when you started to experience senile insanity, quite early.

                        It's not me, but you who have been going crazy for a long time. I didn't even bother with you. You write all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense, I ask you a specific question about your writing, and in response I read all sorts of nonsense. And in your last comment you are trying to insult me. I have always politely and correctly asked you to tell me "where the firewood came from." And you start talking some kind of nonsense. Which has nothing to do with reality.
                        Quote: V.
                        You no longer understand what they are saying to you, and you live in your own world.

                        What did you say, or rather, write here, something reasonable that a normal person can understand? Apart from some fables told by a “parachutist of the Strategic Missile Forces” such as killed mushroom pickers and how you observed the simultaneous flight of 400 loitering aircraft, writing figure eights along the Chinese border, I did not read anything reasonable in your comments. By the way, a “parachutist” in our Air Force was called a soldier from a service platoon who carried a “parachut” (food waste) from the canteens - flight, technical, soldier - to the maintenance yard, or simply to the pigsty.. These are the “parachutists” who came to demobilization and told about how their parachute was torn off due to a dynamic jerk, and thanks to the remaining intact lines of the reserve parachute, they planned for the hayloft, or, as in your case, they shot three zinc per guard at the advancing mushroom pickers. Yes, so that the barrels of the machine gun melted, three machine guns were changed during one guard duty...
                        Quote: V.
                        Find someone as senile as you and beat each other's brains out.

                        To put it mildly, you are a senile person... And you don't even know the basics of what you write about. I have already rubbed your nose in it 8 times, and you have not been able to refute a single one of my arguments, or confirm a single one of your statements...
                  2. 0
                    10 October 2025 11: 21
                    Maybe one of them flew back and forth 400 times 🤣
                    1. 0
                      10 October 2025 12: 25
                      Quote from Alex
                      Maybe one of them flew back and forth 400 times 🤣

                      Well, yes, there is a scheduled flight 3-4 times a week...
        3. +6
          22 August 2024 17: 13
          400 aircraft patrolled for several hours near the Chinese border
          Looks like you were drunk wink
          1. -1
            22 August 2024 17: 36
            Is it just me or is it true that Israeli Jews are trolling me? fool
            1. 0
              22 August 2024 23: 51
              Quote: V.
              Is it just me or is it true that Israeli Jews are trolling me? fool

              No, military pensioners are from the Far East, or, to be more precise, from the former KDVO, the current VVO. So bear the blizzard calmly, all yours.
              1. 0
                23 August 2024 03: 39
                As one of my friends, a retired lieutenant colonel, said, we military retirees have only one brain gyrus left from wearing a cap. And it’s difficult to convince us of something and to believe in something. hi
                1. 0
                  23 August 2024 11: 51
                  Quote: V.
                  As one of my friends, a retired lieutenant colonel, said, we military retirees have only one brain gyrus left from wearing a cap.

                  I won’t speak for everyone, but in our team there are no such individuals.
                  Quote: V.
                  It’s difficult to convince us of something and to believe in something.

                  Convincing someone if everything is correct and justified does not pose any problems at all, just like believing in something. We don’t have such people here without a thorough reason or word of mouth.
          2. +3
            22 August 2024 17: 40
            And I once counted one hundred and fifty helicopters in the air in Puli-Khumri (I recently found out on the Internet that there were more than 170) during the operation on Panjshir. At that time, strategists from the Union came in to bomb.
            1. +1
              23 August 2024 12: 10
              Quote: Bad_gr
              And I once counted one and a half hundred helicopters in the air in Puli-Khumri (I recently found out on the Internet, there were more than 170 of them) during the operation in Panjshir.

              So there was a large-scale operation there. I remember in 1984 we had to support the large-scale SHIELD-84 exercises. While they were going on the sides, it seemed like nothing, but when everything went through our communications hub, in the SGV, that was just the end... The tablet operators did not have time to draw the situation, in the radio networks, targets were coming, one gives it to the tablet, and two write, one did not have time. And there was not one network, two additional shifts of radio operators were pulled out. Well, "mess in the air" - our entire "northern" division rose, the "southern" plus reconnaissance from Brzeg, from the GSVG flew to us, and the Poles and Germans themselves raised their Air Forces. And helicopter pilots. They were also in our zone. There at the ZKP people were just sewing. In short, a funny day happened when our divisional ZKP almost turned into the ZKP of the exercise commander. How many aircraft were in the air was not ready to answer.
              1. 0
                23 August 2024 12: 29
                I was at the airport itself then. There were like flies in the air of the helicopters, and even at the airfield itself, the helicopters would buzz, jump, then land, accelerate and go to those already in the air. In general, I’m unlikely to see this again.
                By the way, it was only in Afghanistan that I learned that a loaded helicopter in the mountains, at high temperatures, can only take off with acceleration.
                1. +1
                  23 August 2024 12: 54
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  By the way, it was only in Afghanistan that I learned that a loaded helicopter in the mountains, at high temperatures, can only take off with acceleration.

                  Sometimes we also took off with mileage. I immediately taxied to the runway, and a short run and takeoff, so they say, they saved kerosene. Then they leaked it and handed it over. The last time I watched the entire regiment take off was in 2007 during the “Wing-2007” exercises, then the 277th Mlavsky BAP was not yet Guards. But it was not so impressive when in 1986 the GIAP 159 took off in fours from the runway of the Klyuchevo airfield, then it was still true on the MiG-21. In 2007, the Su-24 took off one by one, one after another, albeit at short intervals, only one retracts the landing gear, the second takes off, the third one stands waiting to taxi onto the runway, the next one rolls along the taxiway...
          3. +1
            22 August 2024 18: 38
            Do you assume that there were 200 planes????
            Well, you get the point.
        4. 0
          26 August 2024 20: 01
          And the Yak-130M will also be able to stay in the air at minimum speed for several hours, both as a reconnaissance aircraft and as an anti-UAV weapon.

          What's the problem with figuring out what the Yak-130M could do, taking the performance characteristics of its "brother" M-346?
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_Aermacchi_M-346_Master#Specifications_(M-346)
          Ferry range: 2,550 km (1,580 mi, 1,380 nmi) with 3 external drop tanks
          Endurance: 2 hours 45 minutes (4 hours with external drop tanks)
          But to hunt enemy UAVs, he needs to install at least a couple of machine guns - that leaves two more free pylons!.. wink The problem is solved.
    2. 11+
      22 August 2024 06: 18
      Well.... What materials have been invented that are lighter than titanium armor? But this is all fantasy. The Su-25 was immediately designed to fit its armored box. Nobody put anything extra there. But it won’t be possible to hang something like this on another plane. There, offhand, the thickness is 5 cm. That’s right, I estimated it with my fingers. When they say how they do it, I still don’t believe it. This is a technological masterpiece. I don't know how much it weighs.
      And the Yak-130 is a small airplane. And in flight, even with its 2 engines, it is not at all a Su-30 or even a Su-25. Let's leave him his niche. Let him serve his purpose in peace.
      1. -8
        22 August 2024 07: 58
        No, let him fight. The Fatherland is in danger. We only dream of peace.
        Everything is put to use in battle, even shotguns are used against low-flying UAVs.
        There is a material called Kevlar, lightweight, five times stronger than steel, it can be used.
      2. 2al
        0
        22 August 2024 09: 44
        The author of the article did not point out the Hongdu L-15B UBS, which has all the listed options and, by the way, is also used for air defense purposes, for example in Venezuela and Zambia.
        1. 0
          22 August 2024 20: 09
          2al
          Hyundai L-15 is a Chinese craft based on the Yak-130, only with Ukrainian engines. His legs grow from the same place as the Yak-130.
          Then the Italian Aermacchi M-346 is actually the brother of the Yak-130. I wouldn't be surprised if the Aermacchi end up in 404
    3. 13+
      22 August 2024 09: 32
      Quote: V.
      Why not apply the principle of protection and armoring of the SU-25 to the Yak-130M?

      Can. True, then there will be no room left for weapons and radars
      Quote: V.
      On the use of Yak-130M. This is patrolling around cities and significant objects to detect and destroy any enemy UAVs. Of course with the appropriate equipment for this.

      There are training aircraft and there are combat aircraft. The Yak-130 at one time tried to take advantage of the feature - being cheaper than a combat aircraft, it could imitate the parameters of its avionics. That is, the trainee flew for real, and used all sorts of “Irbis” and URVVs for fun.
      But even in this form, the Yak-130 had a very narrow scope of application, for the simple reason that it could imitate avionics, but could not simulate the aerobatics of a combat aircraft. It’s not that such machines are not needed at all, but the need for them is very limited.
      Here we are offered to spend a lot of money on turning the already unnecessarily expensive Yak-130 into a disgusting combat aircraft. With a meager load, range, limited avionics, etc. etc.
      Excuse me, do we have nowhere to put the money?
      1. +5
        22 August 2024 10: 05
        It’s just that a combat aircraft in the classical sense is not really needed right now. And we need a platform to launch guided weapons. He flew up, released, and disappeared. That's it. So they bring him to this state. Information security is 100 times more important than flight performance.
        And so, in general, the Yak-130 in its existing form is bought by various small countries who live on their own money. Made and sold. They didn't sell it to anyone.
        1. -1
          22 August 2024 15: 14
          Quote: MCmaximus
          And we need a platform to launch guided weapons.

          It's fantastic.
          Firstly, an aircraft, even one operating several tens of kilometers from the front line, must have an adequate set of avionics, including a personal electronic warfare station, etc.
          Secondly, if you think so, why do you need any modified version of the Yak-130? Fly without radar and everything else, throw it.
          Quote: MCmaximus
          Information security is 100 times more important than flight performance.

          But where does the Yak-130 get it from?
          Quote: MCmaximus
          And so, in general, the Yak-130 in its existing form is bought by various small countries who live on their own money

          Well, that’s right, why shouldn’t Vietnam, with its more than 200 combat aircraft, take a dozen training aircraft? Why shouldn't Laos take 4 of these planes for police purposes?
          1. 0
            22 August 2024 16: 07
            The presence of radar and other things described as bee increases awareness. This is the same avionics.
            And I understand that if they buy, it’s bad. Or good?
            I don’t even remember who has personal electronic warfare.
      2. -1
        22 August 2024 10: 50
        In principle, I agree with you, Andrey. But how many combat aircraft of different purposes do we have? We are fighting Ukraine with difficulty, and if the entire West joins in against us, what should we do? Hang missiles and bombs under the Yak-40? Send Superjets stuffed with explosives to Poland, Finland, Sweden, Romania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic? It's all very, very serious.
        September 1 is coming soon, doesn't this remind one of the situation on September 1, 1939?
        1. 0
          23 August 2024 02: 46
          If the whole West is harnessed against us, what should we do? Suspend missiles and bombs under the Yak-40?
          something suggests that they know where our missiles and bombs are produced; we will run out of high-precision weapons faster than airplanes...
      3. 0
        22 August 2024 11: 11
        Why is it unnecessarily expensive? Cheaper than all competitors, it is quite actively exported.
      4. 0
        22 August 2024 15: 05
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        There are training aircraft and there are combat aircraft......
        It’s interesting in your assessment of what you said +6, and for my message
        Quote: Bad_gr
        This is a training desk and making money by selling it as a combat aircraft is not a good thing......
        (https://topwar.ru/248573-otkryvaet-put-dlja-modernizacii-samoletov-su-vseh-tipov-v-zarubezhnoj-presse-ocenili-novyj-variant-jak-130m.html?1724242413286)
        -7

        Who can explain how the statements are so fundamentally different?
      5. +1
        22 August 2024 17: 19
        With a meager load, range, limited avionics, etc. etc.
        - the Yak-130 had a load of up to 3 tons, a range of up to 2000 km. About the Yak-130M they write that
        the M model has more modern avionics, an increased combat load and improved flight characteristics
        . I wouldn't say it's "minuscule". In addition, to perform real combat missions, the same Su-34 usually takes 3-4 tons (4 FAB-500 with UMPC or 2 FAB-1500 with UMPC). Full load greatly reduces maneuverability and survivability in modern conditions.
        А
        disgusting warplane
        whether it works or not depends on the tactics of application.
        And yes, the question - do we have enough Yak-130s as trainers - also applies.
        1. +2
          22 August 2024 18: 14
          Quote from shikin
          I wouldn't say it's "minuscule".

          Let's watch
          Quote from shikin
          In addition, to perform real combat missions, the same Su-34 usually takes 3-4 tons (4 FAB-500 with UMPC or 2 FAB-1500 with UMPC). Full load greatly reduces maneuverability and survivability in modern conditions.

          You are absolutely right. And what is the maximum combat load of the Su-34? 8,5 tons (UAC website). That is, in real life it takes about 35-47%. Transferring this to the Yak-130, we get a ton and a half of combat load.
          But the whole problem is that to account for this ton and a half, you will have to take with you the equipment that is installed by default on the Su-34, the same software, sighting containers, etc.
          Quote from shikin
          range - up to 2000 km.

          And the Su-34 has a range of 4250 km.
          1. 0
            22 August 2024 18: 28
            Well, after all, 4 FAB-250s (possibly with UMPC) are not a minuscule amount. And in this case, what additional should you take? OLS and targeting containers - this is if you search for the target yourself. And besides, it was stated that the Yak-130M has an increased combat load and improved flight characteristics. To what extent, I have not come across such data.
            It is clear that this aircraft should not be compared with the Su-34 or even the MiG-35, but I don’t think that this is a completely useless aircraft in a combat sense.
            1. +1
              22 August 2024 18: 46
              Quote from shikin
              Well, after all, 4 FAB-250s (possibly with UMPC) are not a minuscule amount.

              Just to do the job of one Su-34 you need 3-4 Yak-130. Which is more expensive than the Su-34, especially considering the training of the pilots.
              Quote from shikin
              And in this case, what additional should you take? OLS and targeting containers - this is if you search for the target yourself.

              Or if lighting is needed to use ammunition. What about the radiation warning station? Electronic warfare? LOC?
          2. +1
            22 August 2024 18: 38
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            What is the maximum combat load for the Su-34? 8,5 tons (UAC website).
            The specifications on the UAC website are truncated
            Maximum combat load: -------------- 8 kg
            with a combat radius of 1000 km ------------------ 12 kg
            with full fuel load ------------------- 4 kg
            In Syria they often loaded 12 tons, information about this has come across more than once
    4. 0
      22 August 2024 12: 58
      There was information that the UBS version cost a yard. A couple of years ago. Now the airplane has been pumped up, inflation will probably last a yard and a half.
    5. -1
      22 August 2024 13: 00
      Why not apply the principle of protection and armoring of the SU-25 to the Yak-130M? Of course, based on new lightweight materials that are not inferior to the armor of the SU-25.

      It’s not clear why these dances with a tambourine are needed, the Russian Federation has a sufficient fleet of Su-25s, and if it is brought to the level of the Su-39, then the VKS will receive an excellent front-line fighter by investing a minimum of funds! Let me remind you that the Su-39 had the Kope-25 radar and the Shkval optical station, it could also carry Kh-31P and Kh-35 missiles, which gives it the ability to combat air defense systems and enemy ships!
    6. +1
      22 August 2024 15: 22
      . Yak-130M: training or combat?

      Probably: “not much training anymore, and definitely not combat.” Neither this nor that. It all comes down to cost. Too expensive with questionable effectiveness.
  2. 13+
    22 August 2024 05: 54
    German Grob G 120TP
    Grob! What a romantic name for an airplane wink
    1. 0
      22 August 2024 18: 00
      Grob - translated from German means “rude”. There is a GOOGLE translator.
      1. +1
        22 August 2024 19: 59
        Grob - translated from German means "rough"
        I have known this since school wink
  3. -2
    22 August 2024 06: 29
    I raised the question in the comments of the previous mention of the Yak-130.
    What about surface targets - BC?
    I was told that a helicopter can handle things better.

    However, the helicopter copes better with the BC near the South Coast,
    but to the northwest of Sevastopol, most likely the helicopter will become “food” -
    for Ukrop air defense systems, and even artillery.
    Ukrs can also make an ambush on turntables: they will spin around with BKshki,
    they will call the turntable “to talk to the boats” and slam it.

    But we will still have to somehow “develop” the Odessa coast.
  4. +3
    22 August 2024 06: 30
    Wiki writes about 112 pieces.
    For such an aircraft this is a ridiculous amount.
    No, of course, 112 units is more than “all three” Su-57s, but for such a large country. like Russia - a drop in the ocean.
  5. +2
    22 August 2024 07: 18
    By the way, it seems that propeller-driven Toucans were handed over to the junkies, but they are not visible in the lists of those shot down
  6. +5
    22 August 2024 07: 44
    About the same car has already been mentioned here - Tucano, whose role was assigned to the anti-terrorist and anti-partisan struggle. And since the hero of this article is positioned primarily as an export aircraft, then it will also be given a place specifically for the fight against terrorists and partisans. I will quote the company representative Yakovlev - The countries of South America, East Asia and BRICS are considered potential buyers of the aircraft.. It is clear why and for whom this aircraft was created. Well, using it in air defense is pilot suicide (this is my opinion)...
    1. 0
      22 August 2024 07: 56
      Well, using it in air defense is pilot suicide (this is my opinion)...

      I fully support it! The only thing more applicable than the Yak-130M is the destruction of UAVs on the third echelon line, inside the country. And then, as an exception, it is not suitable for loitering.
    2. +3
      22 August 2024 09: 01
      Quote: Luminman
      Well, using it in air defense is pilot suicide (this is my opinion)...

      Isn't using tanks suicide for tankers?
      Or infantry (motorized rifles)?
      What about assault groups?
      Are pilots “specialists”? So this is because both the schools and the materiel are bad..
      We are constantly told how many dry land have been destroyed. But in the confrontation, our people die too. The quantity may vary, but not very much.
      And are these our dead somehow different compared to the pilots?
      Is it expensive to train a pilot?
      Yes. Likewise, cruise missiles are expensive - why not use them after this?
      1. +2
        22 August 2024 16: 50
        Vladimir-TTT, need to have a snack...
      2. 0
        22 August 2024 21: 17
        Quote: Vladimir-TTT
        Is it expensive to train a pilot?

        Seriously? The only thing more expensive than an astronaut.
  7. +3
    22 August 2024 08: 08
    One can argue a lot with varying degrees of convincingness. But in order to prove the effectiveness of this new modification in its new quality, three absolutely necessary things are needed: 1. an order from the Ministry of Defense, 2. trial operation at the front of at least a squadron, even converted 130x, 3. experienced flight personnel of this squadron for complete revealing opportunities + competent command with carte blanche to freely depart from the charter and control center when planning the use of experimental aircraft.
  8. +3
    22 August 2024 08: 36
    I'm surprised by the desire to screw a larger barrel onto a lighter platform. What type of aircraft is the Yak 130 M? Light fighter bomber???
    Moreover, it was originally expensive and also increased in price due to alterations?
    Substituting 2 pilots for a ton of cast iron???
    No, the machine learned very well. For training and for export to countries that cannot afford a full-fledged aircraft but at least need something
    And I'm sorry for myself.
    It would be much more logical to properly attach all the equipment that was crammed into the baby Yak to the hard-working Su 25. Even if only with blue electrical tape in case of urgent need. And the result will be a machine that is more practical and applicable than the 130M.
    After all, the main thing is in container design??? So it won't take much time.
    1. +3
      22 August 2024 10: 09
      The Su-25 is definitely finished. I don't know why, but it shows. And the way it is used now is simply a mockery. But, apparently, he can’t do anything else.
      This also applies to A-10.
      1. +3
        22 August 2024 11: 48
        Well, with the abundance of MANPADS troops, the attack aircraft have nothing to catch. Except for missiles. But at least some kind of container with optics for recognizing targets is possible. So as not to scare the crows from the cab.
      2. +1
        22 August 2024 15: 39
        I had an internship at the Tbilisi aircraft factory when they were launching the Su-25. At that time, they were producing MiG-21 twin-engine aircraft. It was so many years ago that I can't remember. Then Tbilisi broke away and the production was moved somewhere. The plane is frankly old. Its brother, the MiG-27 (the attack version of the MiG-23), was written off long ago. And all the MiG-23s were also written off, and I served on it as a technician. Just when the hunchback came to power.
    2. +2
      22 August 2024 11: 25
      Quote: garri-lin
      It would be much more logical to properly attach all the equipment that was crammed into the baby Yak to the hard-working Su 25. Even if only with blue electrical tape in case of urgent need.

      We tried. As a result, it turned out that in the single-seat version the psychophysiological loads on the pilot are too high. And if you include an operator in the crew, then there is no room left for a new avionics.
      1. 0
        22 August 2024 11: 54
        I know they tried. But at least some station in a container design is possible. To make work easier and improve accuracy.
        On C 8 there is LGSN. Why not make an inexpensive GPS seeker on the C13 and a container to guide it all.
        There was more use than those innovations that they are trying to attach to the Yak 130M.
        And if they also try to throw him into battle, it will be a crime.
        But the President S on the Su 25, even in the container version, will be very useful.
      2. 0
        22 August 2024 16: 23
        The thing is that the Yak-130 is being produced. And it makes sense to invest in it.
        And the Su-25 flies on its own.
        It's strange. MO is not doing anything to get new Rooks. At the same time, not so long ago in Ulan-Ude there was everything for the production of this aircraft. We saved everything. And there were even assembled and unredeemed cars.
        As far as MO is right - God knows. There is no clear policy visible there. Therefore, there is no need to say that in some case they are right.
        1. 0
          22 August 2024 16: 31
          Quote: MCmaximus
          Something else is strange. MO is not doing anything to get new Rooks.

          Because in the current situation, armor is not needed to work along the front edge. The era of treating the enemy with rocket and cannon fire is over - the front line air defense shoots down everything that is within its radius.
          The best way to increase survivability was to avoid the range of most air defense systems and work with long-range guided missiles and UAB. And for this, the carrier does not need armor: those missiles that can still reach him have a warhead that is not countered by any armor.
          1. 0
            22 August 2024 16: 35
            In general, yes. The A-10 is originally a purely anti-tank aircraft. And armored attack aircraft are our specialty. When there are a lot of pilots and you don't feel sorry for them. The rest of the fighters did a good job with this. The only time attack aircraft played their intended role was in attacking with PTABs.
            Although sometimes there were simply stunning consequences of the use of attack aircraft.
  9. +3
    22 August 2024 08: 55
    Somehow a new wave has begun, Yak 130 PR
    As a training device, I readily believe that various bells and whistles imitate modern aircraft.
    And as a fighter, I haven’t seen his PR in 10 years. although it costs 12 million in total (10 years ago), and is multitasking, and so on...

    There are few of them visible.
  10. -2
    22 August 2024 09: 11
    Modern warfare makes you think about the cost of operations. The Yak-130 is better than many modern sophisticated aircraft in terms of cost/effectiveness in a large list of real-world tasks.
    1. +1
      22 August 2024 09: 33
      Quote: Pavel57
      The Yak-130 in terms of cost/efficiency is better than many modern sophisticated aircraft

      Who told you that?
      1. 0
        22 August 2024 10: 11
        You can throw one or two guided bombs from behind air defense from anywhere. The ammunition will do the rest itself.
        That's all the explanation.
        1. 0
          22 August 2024 11: 56
          Throw 2 for 250 where 3000 is not always rolled out?
          1. 0
            22 August 2024 14: 12
            Taking into account aiming, all means are good. It may turn out that 2 x 250 will be no worse than 1 x 3000. A light bomb is easier to maneuver.
            1. 0
              22 August 2024 18: 50
              When was the last time 250 kg was thrown one by one??? They are thrown in a bunch. And Yak clearly can't handle it.
              1. 0
                23 August 2024 06: 41
                You can’t throw one from the wing in a bunch or a bunch. It’s not fun to fly the plane at all. It needs to be done on both sides at once. I didn’t write anything about one.
                1. 0
                  23 August 2024 09: 39
                  Yeahh ...
                  1. 0
                    23 August 2024 17: 31
                    Well, never mind, be patient. What is it like: throwing bombs in bunches? Tell.
          2. 0
            23 August 2024 02: 58
            Yes, it looks like I should throw 4 at 250, although why the second pilot would do this is unclear, the coordinate numbers are most likely transmitted from the ground
            1. 0
              23 August 2024 09: 37
              And how likely is he to throw them successfully? And why is this if there is a Su 25?? Who almost don’t do this business because it’s safer to do it from an airplane capable of flying away at supersonic speed.
              1. 0
                23 August 2024 10: 24
                Quote: garri-lin
                And how likely is he to throw them successfully?

                I think from high. I suspect that along our front line there are not patriots standing in rows and there is not a beech tree sticking out of every bush, we operate according to the principle - to be afraid of a patriot - not to fly anywhere.
                Quote: garri-lin
                And why is this if there is a Su 25?? Who are almost not involved in this matter because

                because no one bothered to modify them for the use of winged fabs. The enemies put American bombs on the MiG-29, but we need a million approvals, research, tests for 10 years, comments and their corrections, etc.
                1. 0
                  23 August 2024 10: 30
                  So the Yak is still only on paper.
                  So Yak and Su are in the same positions. Only KABs throw Su 34.
                  1. 0
                    23 August 2024 10: 34
                    Quote: garri-lin
                    So the Yak is still only on paper.

                    So we have a long tradition that the military department itself does not know what it wants (well, except to enrich deputy ministers) and weapons manufacturers run around in circles and offer something. It's more for export. That’s why it’s in a single copy, maybe even a model. Here the Kalash was recently presented, with a suddenly NATO grenade launcher. The developer hopes for export and apparently does not have much hope for the Ministry of Defense.
                    1. -1
                      23 August 2024 10: 46
                      Yak is exported little but regularly. There is interest in him. So the combat version may also be of interest to someone.
                      Drive the partisans. But not for a big war.
    2. 0
      23 August 2024 06: 47
      Cost-effectiveness is what McNamara came up with. But what about a cost-effective weapon if it cannot, for example, carry out tasks? There's a lot here.
  11. +2
    22 August 2024 09: 26
    The ancestor can safely be called such a strange machine as the brainchild of Breguet Aviation, Dassault Aviation and Dornier Flugzeugwerke, called Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jet. This aircraft was ordered by some countries as a combat training aircraft, but the Luftwaffe did not waste time on trifles and wanted a light and agile attack aircraft.

    It can't be called. Neither bold nor timid. The Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jet first flew in 1973, when the American Northrop T-38 Talon had already been flying for 14 years, since 1959. A fighter version, the N-156, was produced as the F-5 Freedom Fighter.
  12. -1
    22 August 2024 09: 40
    The Yak-130 is an ambiguous aircraft. Weak, unreliable engines make it difficult to pilot as a trainer. With pendants it is even more sluggish and clumsy. This is the first. Secondly, the aircraft class: Light universal attack aircraft is not in demand on the market. He cannot perform the duties of a full-fledged fighter or attack aircraft. There is no normal protection, no normal radar, and there is not enough carrying capacity. And operating costs are approaching the JAS-39 Grippen, and even higher. Economically unprofitable. Will not be in demand on the market. But the plundered army of the Russian Federation will not be able to afford it. There is absolutely no export potential. This is just another PR stunt, look, they say, we are working, trying, making new planes. The Yak-130 is generally a mediocre aircraft, if not worse...
    1. -1
      22 August 2024 10: 13
      Everything is gone. The plaster is removed. The army was robbed. The engines are weak. There is no protection (what???, who has it??).
      By the way, the plane is for sale. Slowly, but it's selling.
      1. 0
        22 August 2024 10: 34
        Look where it is sold? To Papuans and baboons. For beads. It has no place in the civilized world.
        1. +3
          22 August 2024 10: 39
          Don't talk about people like that. They live on their own. And they buy what they can afford. And, imagine!, even some Myanmar can also be useful as an ally.
          And we already see this civilized world. No really. All that remained behind him was technical superiority, and for how long?
          1. +1
            22 August 2024 10: 55
            Oh, for a long time. With things like this forever. What about Myanmar? These are not allies, these are parasites. Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are. These are parasites.
            1. 0
              22 August 2024 16: 26
              What did Myanmar-Burma take from us and not give back? I don’t remember that they aspired to socialism. Yes, and other countries.
              1. -1
                22 August 2024 17: 42
                So I don’t understand this friendship. How much money did the poorest country in Africa use to buy the Yak-130??? A hundred pounds for the beads!!!
  13. +1
    22 August 2024 10: 29
    In my opinion, all these movements to turn the Yak-130 into some kind of light attack aircraft are the wrong way. If we’re going to think about a lightweight platform for using UMPC, then it should immediately be made unmanned. It will be cheaper and more effective.
    1. -1
      22 August 2024 10: 43
      The drone still needs to be made. Yes, he's stupid. Like a kamikaze is good. But he cannot react to unexpected situations. For example, an anti-aircraft maneuver.
      Now, if you use it massively...
      1. 0
        22 August 2024 11: 08
        Drones are getting smarter, and very quickly. They are already quite capable of recognizing targets. So maneuverability and evasion of threats is a matter of time.
        And even then, for the most part, the UAV still has an operator.
        Of course, massively, that’s the point.
        As for what to do - yes, it is necessary. Don’t waste resources on anything strange, like the Mig-35 and Yak-130m, but do something useful.
    2. +2
      22 August 2024 16: 38
      What's stopping you from making an unmanned version? Install a processor and controllers for control and cameras for viewing. Well, put the operator on the simulator.
      Instead of a joystick, the remote controller will control. By the way, the life support systems of two people with ejection seats can be thrown out of the load.
      1. 0
        23 August 2024 03: 00
        You can throw out another engine and you will get Turkish dogwood
  14. +1
    22 August 2024 11: 01
    Considering that we tested the Igloy protection system, which is still the best MANPADS in the world today,

    As always, unfounded statements. It turns out that the Verba MANPADS, the Igla receiver are complete crap, the military-industrial complex is developing, but in the opposite direction? They write such gems, oh my.
  15. +1
    22 August 2024 11: 18
    Quote: MCmaximus
    Everything is gone. The plaster is removed. The army was robbed. The engines are weak. There is no protection (what???, who has it??).
    By the way, the plane is for sale. Slowly, but it's selling.

    It is on sale, and no worse than its Italian twin brother. And definitely better than its Chinese cousin.
    1. 0
      22 August 2024 16: 29
      The Chinese supersonic brother is a different story. There's a lot of strange stuff there for me. Either the Chinese sawed off their own suitable engines, or decided to surpass the prototype at any cost. But no one fell for these crafts. And for good reason.
  16. +3
    22 August 2024 11: 49
    You know, Tu-22 and Tu-22M immediately come to mind, the name is very similar, and the functionality...

    Where did it come from? Forgive me, of course, for my rudeness, but I can’t stand militant illiteracy.
    The topic is of course not about Tu, but please try to remember if it’s so difficult to understand. Tu-22 and Tu-22M are two ABSOLUTELY different aircraft, having nothing in common except the letters and numbers in the name. It’s hard to think of a worse example for an article about MODERNIZATION!
  17. +1
    22 August 2024 13: 19
    Quote: garri-lin
    Throw 2 for 250 where 3000 is not always rolled out?

    3000 is not a mass-produced ammunition. More often, pinpoint strikes at 250 or 500 are needed. And this is quite within the capabilities of the Yak-130.
    1. 0
      22 August 2024 17: 05
      Well, how can I say it? Risking 2 pilots for little change?? Risking an unsuitable aircraft for something that a stronger and cheaper aircraft can handle???
      And can you remind me when was the last time 250 kg bombs were dropped one or two at a time???
  18. -2
    22 August 2024 13: 27
    As soon as they remembered about the BKO Vitebsk and President-S, it immediately became clear that it could be crossed off from the list of combat aircraft...
  19. 0
    22 August 2024 13: 35
    I agree with the author, this is not a fighter. And it’s dangerous to be a stormtrooper these days. Light bomber jacket - yes. 4 - 6 FAB-250 or 3 FAB-500 with UMPC - and voila! It would be useful in the Northern Military District.
  20. +3
    22 August 2024 14: 59
    I hope that they will be adapted for UMPC and UMPB, given the considerable amount of these aircraft in the Air Force.
  21. 0
    22 August 2024 15: 19
    A lot of beech about nothing. PZL Swidnik is an airline company specializing in helicopters - PZL-Świdnik a Leonardo Helicopters company.
    What specific model did the author have in mind? Polish version of the Mi-2?
  22. 0
    22 August 2024 15: 28
    Quote: MCmaximus
    The Su-25 is definitely finished. I don't know why, but it shows. And the way it is used now is simply a mockery. But, apparently, he can’t do anything else.
    This also applies to A-10.

    A-10 with gliding GBU-39 in the amount of 8 pieces.
    And not only they
    1. 0
      22 August 2024 16: 24
      Quote: Zufei
      A-10 with gliding GBU-39 in the amount of 8 pieces.
      And not only they

      But to use UAB you don’t need to carry tons of armor. So the “warthog” in this role will always lose to ordinary unarmored information security.
      The UAB suspension for a front-line attack aircraft is just an attempt to somehow delay its inevitable decommissioning.
  23. 0
    22 August 2024 15: 32
    I remember I was in Grozny, before all these events, we had exercises, and according to the conditions of the exercises there was a flight of Migov from Astrakhan to Grozny. I was part of the group that received and dispatched planes.
    It was the airfield of the Stavropol Flight School. L-29 and L-39 were stationed there at that time. We manually rolled these planes from place to place. By the way, the MiG-21 could also be rolled by hand.
    As for the Yak-130, it would suit the Ukrainians well, that is, its Italian version M-346, or the Korean KAI T-50. But no one wants to give it for free, hence the conclusion about the F-16, they are giving away outright junk.
  24. +1
    22 August 2024 17: 49
    As a fighter, of course, it is of no use, only for training in the use of missile weapons... This does not mean that nothing can be shot down with it, but B-17 or B-29 were also shot down with defensive weapons, but they did not become a fighter... Low speed, small radius ... It’s easier to raise a helicopter against a UAV...
    He's not much of a stormtrooper either. It was originally made as a combat training, but first and foremost a training one, and it did not have the same armor or survivability as attack aircraft, which, riddled with bullets, return to the airfields...
    But as a light bomber (well, yes, like the U-2), it has a place to be, especially now, when universal planning modules are widely used...
    But even with just cast iron, you can work against an enemy without air defense or in areas where the enemy has no air defense...
    In the end, you can climb higher from MANPADS if you know that the enemy has nothing more powerful...
    4 kg of bomb is already decent, if they can modify it to 250, it’s quite decent... It’s trivial to bomb bridges, PVD, etc....
    Of course, he can also work as a nurse, but you can’t shoot down a Su-25 with a light machine gun, even if you set yourself up, but yes, the Yak-130...
  25. 0
    22 August 2024 17: 55
    Quote: garri-lin
    Well, how can I say it? Risking 2 pilots for little change?? Risking an unsuitable aircraft for something that a stronger and cheaper aircraft can handle???
    And can you remind me when was the last time 250 kg bombs were dropped one or two at a time???

    We are talking about guided glide bombs...
    1. 0
      22 August 2024 18: 54
      That's what I mean about them. Watch the video. They are allowed in several at a time. Every entry into the enemy's air defense zone is a risk. And the Su 34 can also escape at supersonic speed. What Yak definitely can’t do.
  26. 0
    22 August 2024 18: 03
    Quote: MCmaximus
    The Chinese supersonic brother is a different story. There's a lot of strange stuff there for me. Either the Chinese sawed off their own suitable engines, or decided to surpass the prototype at any cost. But no one fell for these crafts. And for good reason.

    The engine is the same - AI222, only with an afterburner. In terms of potential, it is closer to the Korean T-50.
  27. 0
    22 August 2024 19: 16
    Quote: garri-lin
    That's what I mean about them. Watch the video. They are allowed in several at a time. Every entry into the enemy's air defense zone is a risk. And the Su 34 can also escape at supersonic speed. What Yak definitely can’t do.

    When a Su-34 throws 4 bombs, it’s definitely not rational.
    The point of gliding bombs is not to enter the air defense zone, or stay in it for a long time.
    Once again - 4 - 6 bombs 250 or 4 x 500 for the Yak-130 is a feasible burden. And the cost of the operation is several times lower than with the Su-34.
  28. 0
    22 August 2024 19: 51
    Quote: Alexey RA
    So the “warthog” will always lose in this role

    By definition, he loses to everything he can. You need to understand that the A-10 is a very specialized airplane. In fact, a flying gun, suitable only for anti-tank combat, and at a very close range.
    Regardless of the task at hand, he always carries an extra couple of tons, or whatever his gun weighs.
  29. +1
    22 August 2024 19: 54
    Quote: Ryazanets87
    on turning the Yak-130 into some kind of light attack aircraft

    Of course, I should read a book about this aircraft, but it was in my head that its multi-purpose use was planned at the technical specification stage.
  30. 0
    22 August 2024 20: 02
    author again stirred up porridge and demonstrated his highest "competence". Yak-130 is not a sufficiently attack aircraft, not a fighter and a retraining aircraft. In fact, it was created to maintain the flying skills of pilots, so as not to fly expensive Su-25s and MiGs. Do not compare it with the Su-25! Unlike the Su-130, the Yak-25 will not survive long near the front line. In this regard, the Su-130 has no analogues. By the way, the radar will be redundant for an attack aircraft operating on the battlefield and at low altitudes. If the Grach's side is not satisfactory, then its side needs to be improved, and not a sub-attack aircraft should be pulled out of the Yak-130. As an attack aircraft, the Yak-25 is only suitable for a war with weak air defense, like chasing the Barmaleys. And the radar will come in handy for an air defense fighter that protects rear areas. Flying drones on the Su-XNUMX is also not a good idea. It will be expensive. We need something lighter. At least helicopters.
    In conditions of total war, of course, everything is at war. But, if you believe our leadership, we have not reached it yet. Therefore, I repeat, the Yak-130 has only 3 uses:
    1. Maintaining the skills of combat pilots
    2. Air defense fighter: near rear, airfields and other important objects
    3.Sale for export as a light attack aircraft and advanced training aircraft
  31. 0
    22 August 2024 21: 12
    For some reason no one remembers the MiG-AT...
    1. 0
      2 September 2024 15: 31
      It turned out to be too weak, that's why it didn't take root anywhere...
  32. 0
    22 August 2024 22: 21
    What about our prices? If I understand correctly, then its closest competitors are unmodernized 4+ generation aircraft.
    How much will the plane itself and one hour of its operation cost?
  33. 0
    23 August 2024 13: 55
    It is possible that I will not speak quite professionally, but it makes sense to create a new light attack aircraft, with all the "consequences" that follow from this purpose, than to try to make a "front-line fighter" from a training aircraft, "hanging" it with "armor" and weapons, which will lead to the loss of its performance characteristics on the battlefield... I think that creating a new device with the specified properties will be much cheaper and it will be possible to avoid a bunch of "teething diseases" in the process of its creation... I think that the new attack aircraft should be able to use not only the pilot's eyes, but also the targeting and control capabilities of the "A-50"...
  34. +1
    23 August 2024 17: 48
    For once, a good article from Skomorokhov. Thank you, although in general I don’t think much of his articles. BUT here - thank you
  35. 0
    28 August 2024 02: 36
    https://aviationweek.com/shownews/farnborough-airshow/leonardos-m-346-get-wide-area-display-aesa-radar
    Leonardo's M-346 to Get Wideband Display, AESA Radar
  36. 0
    30 August 2024 08: 20
    Hmm, how many FAB-500 can it carry in a controlled version?
    1. 0
      1 September 2024 17: 37
      4 pieces - guaranteed.
      http://www.dogswar.ru/voennaia-aviaciia/samolety/9159-ychebno-trenirovochn.html
      Armament Hardpoints: 9 Weapons load: 3000 kg Hardpoints: A total of 7 pylons are provided (1 under fuselage, 4 underwing plus 2 wingtips) capable of mounting up to 3000 kg of external payload and up to 3 x 630 litres of external drop tanks (only the lower fuselage and 2 inner wing pylons are waterproofed) Air-to-air missiles: AIM-9 Sidewinder Air-to-surface missiles: AGM-65 Maverick Anti-ship missiles: Marte MK-2A Free-fall or delayed-action bombs Mark-82 500 lb and Mark-83 1000 lbs
      1. 0
        2 September 2024 15: 27
        Then it's strange that it is not used for this purpose now. The resource is cheaper, and young people can be trained at the same time.
        1. 0
          2 September 2024 15: 29
          This question should be asked to those who are responsible for this... It is believed that they "from the hill" know better...
  37. 0
    3 September 2024 21: 39
    The plane is interesting, but there is a question: if they are supposed to be used for training cadets, then who will sit in the cockpit during a combat mission as a pilot and weapons operator? A cadet and an instructor? Or keep specially trained crews for such an occasion? But then how will the plane be divided?