"Why doesn't power rest on us?" To the problem of liquid and gaseous patriots

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"Why doesn't power rest on us?" To the problem of liquid and gaseous patriots

“The authorities are again in the wake of the liberals” - from time to time the reporter reproaches me with a true uterus who is not indifferent to the fate of the fatherland.

I sometimes object, sometimes I agree. To deny the truth is stupid: sometimes - yes, it goes. And when I agree, my indifferent interlocutor proudly, with dignity straightens up, raises his chin and looks over him at me who has fallen down, with his whole appearance demonstrating his superiority above me, which has just been confirmed by a crushing victory of his convictions over mine.

His conviction lies in the fact that the real patriot should not go to any contacts, negotiations and cooperation - in order to avoid loss of independence. How can you cooperate with the government, which all the time proves its treacherous essence by constantly walking about the liberals? If the power were patriotic, then it would be in the wake of us - patriots!

All this is told to me by an educated man, well dressed, not starving, whose patriotic activity is that with regard to everything that happens in Russia, he has a patriotic opinion and is not lazy about expressing it. Or he was not lazy before, he was not finally disappointed in people.

So: this person reproaches the state for sometimes cooperating not with him, but with the Higher School of Economics, the Levada Center, and sometimes even INSOR and other ultra-liberal structures. At the same time, a patriot who is not indifferent to the fate of the Fatherland, as a patriot, does not conduct sociological research, does not produce economic programs, does not train specialists - and many more. And above all - the community of educated and well-dressed patriots and lovers of the Russian people has no structure, relying on which the government could do what it is in general for power - to lead social, political and economic processes.

It’s a shame to specify: it’s impossible to rely on something that doesn’t have a structure, spreads under your feet and runs away from the light. Unable to rely on slush.

But on the structures created by Westerners back in 90-e, you can rely. Because these structures are - once, and in every possible way ready to cooperate - two. At the same time, they, of course, will do everything in the way that is beneficial for them, but they are not to blame for the fact that they have no competitors. The monopoly is successfully provided by nationalist, communist and patriotic movements, whose role is to maintain a situation in which all patriots are against power, and the liberals are its only ally, consolation, a place where you can bow your head.

The requirement of liquid and gaseous patriots for power and Putin V.V. to personally cooperate with them is tantamount to expectations from the authorities that, like Christ, he will walk on them like a dry land. And since authority is not Christ, it must rather quickly and deftly run along the patriotic moods spreading beneath it, like exotic basilisk lizard.

Like thisIn the opinion of liquid and gaseous patriots, the picture “Vladimir Putin, relying on patriotic forces, leads Russia into a bright future” should look like.

... However, recently the situation has begun to change. The majority - the very people whose lovers are well-dressed independent patriots - began to grow structures representing an alternative to the structures of pro-Western minorities, and the media, representing an alternative to their picture of the world.

About the media modestly keep silent and focus as an example on the structures. Here, for example, arose Patriotic All-Russian Organizationleading active educational activities. It conducts sociological polls, collects signatures of the population regarding legislative initiatives of the authorities, collects broad associations of citizens on the basis of patriotic positions on specific issues.

What does power do? Power reacts instantly. Namely - it is itself, its main head, on the All-Russian Parent Assembly assembled by the “Essence of Time”. Behaves adequately, is willing to cooperate.

And this is precisely what proves, from the point of view of an educated, well-dressed and not indifferent citizen to the fate of the Fatherland, that the head of “SV” Sergey Kurginyan is not a real, but an agent. That he is a project and a trap for patriotic people who are not indifferent to the fate of the Fatherland, so that make them cooperate with the authorities instead of independently having a patriotic opinion on all important issues.

In this regard, I would like to say that, according to the degree of independence, liquid and gaseous patriots have almost caught up with the two most independent categories of people - fools and deceased.

Homeland also needs those who wish that at least something depended on them.

In order to make something dependent on oneself, one needs to acquire a structure. And consequently - the form.

But to form, you see, and epaulettes will grow.
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  1. Fox
    +6
    1 March 2013 08: 03
    if the state has applied all its forces to the collapse of labor collectives, internal affairs bodies and the army, raising and paying for levada centers and other trash, then the state (if necessary) must create structures "for itself", for its interests and tasks. what the state relies on is "state structures". and do not try to create their own "something" to help the state. For example: the arrests of Khabarov and Kvachkov, and the freedom of the secret, smetanov, serdyukov .......
    1. +8
      1 March 2013 08: 36
      Quote: Fox
      it means that the state (if necessary) should create structures "for itself"
      Everything is in order with formal logic ... Only in the 91 year we yelled about freedom, about market relations, about capitalism ... It was we, and I, including at the White House rally on 21 August ... We wanted to get 20 types of sausages in stores, huge salaries, Caribbean islands on vacation ...
      In reality, we got exactly the capitalism that is in real life, not in Hollywood films ...
      The labor groups that you are talking about quickly privatized their enterprises, and then sold their shares for a bottle of vodka. And left with nothing ...
      And the state? So, excuse me, you and I constantly vote for this state ... Every year we choose, and then every year we swear who we choose ... State structures for the state are nothing but entrails for a person.
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +13
        1 March 2013 09: 01
        Sorry, speak for yourself, neither I nor my relatives have ever advocated for rotten capitalism, the collapse of the Union is a tragedy for us!
        1. +6
          1 March 2013 09: 48
          The state and sets the rules of the game. He wants - in the country levada centers are propagating, he wants - patriotic structures.

          By the way, what happened to Kvachkov’s patriotic structure?
        2. +2
          1 March 2013 13: 04
          Yes, it seems, no one would advocate capitalism and the collapse of the Union ..... all it would be for Socialism facing the people ... it's just that all this hysteria in market relations has sharply turned into bazaar relations both in the economy and in politics and led to all this.
      2. +23
        1 March 2013 09: 07
        Quote: domokl
        only in the 91st year we yelled about freedom, about market relations, about capitalism.

        They shouted in Moscow at that time. We did not shout in Siberia at that time, we just lived and worked. Then we went to the referendum and voted for the USSR, and this is actually advice, socialism and unity, if anyone forgot. We were simply betrayed ..... ...
        Quote: domokl
        The labor groups that you are talking about quickly privatized their enterprises, and then sold their shares for a bottle of vodka

        Well, at least someone had raped something, because from that privatization scheme, initially a simple person without money and without connections received nothing.
        Quote: domokl
        So, sorry, we are constantly voting for this state.

        You vote for, I vote against. Then why "we"?
        1. Kaa
          +11
          1 March 2013 09: 25
          Quote: baltika-18
          We didn’t shout in Siberia at that time, we just lived and worked. Then we went to the referendum and voted for the USSR, and this is actually advice, socialism and unity, if anyone forgot
          This is in Siberia, and in Ukraine - in the spring of the referendum "Do you want Ukraine to enter the renewed Union" - the overwhelming majority FOR! " ... request , although acquaintances all say that they understood the issue anyway, like life in the Union called the CIS, with only some attributes of independence - the flag is there, the anthem ....
        2. +5
          1 March 2013 09: 29
          Quote: baltika-18
          We were simply betrayed ........

          Quote: baltika-18
          Well, at least someone had raped something, because from that privatization scheme, initially a simple person without money and without connections received nothing.

          Quote: baltika-18
          You vote for, I vote against. Then why "we"?


          In, in, in, below. Type domocles not betrayed. they did not betray me. millions of others have not betrayed. That is the difference.

          Some people insult everyone, but they save up shit, while others just live, make plans, climb somewhere out of shit.
          1. +3
            1 March 2013 12: 24
            Quote: vorobey
            Someone insult everyone

            Not resentment (the weak are offended), but hatred (the strong take revenge).
            Quote: vorobey
            yeah shit hoarding

            Not shit, but hatred of the system.
            Quote: vorobey
            others just live, make plans, climb out of shit.

            To live in shit and climb the destiny of the poor in spirit, the destiny of the consumer. The destiny of the strong is to change the system so that it could never lower a person into
            1. +4
              1 March 2013 15: 48
              Quote: baltika-18
              Not resentment (the weak are offended), but hatred (the strong take revenge).


              Forgiveness is a property of the strong. the weak never forgive.
              M. Gandhi (by the way, a person far from Christianity, you understand what I mean)

              Quote: baltika-18
              Not shit, but hatred of the system


              Hate stinks like shit and smears everything indiscriminately.

              hatred obscures the gaze

              It seems to me that hatred is full of suffering for the one who feels it. (Montesquieu)

              The wisest is the one who knows how to subordinate his feelings to the dictates of reason. A fool and a sage can become angry, but a fool, blinded by anger, becomes a slave to his anger. In the heat of rage, he himself does not know what he is doing, and all his actions turn to him evil. (Egyptian wisdom)

              Quote: baltika-18
              To live in shit and climb the destiny of the poor in spirit, the destiny of the consumer


              Yes Yes

              He who humbles his spirit conquers the cities.
              (Ernest Hemingway)

              Psychologically, everything we perceive is a symbolic embodiment of our inner life, a mirror of our spirit.
              (P. Florensky)
              1. +2
                1 March 2013 15: 57
                Quote: vorobey
                He who humbles his spirit conquers the cities.

                Humble, climb, conquer the cities ..........
                You are so ............. I'm different ................ We only dream of peace ...... Che Guevara ..... ..Songs of Italian partisans ......... No pasaran ..........
                1. +2
                  1 March 2013 16: 07
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  Humble, climb, conquer the cities ..........


                  I knew that you would answer sarcastically and prepared the answer in advance.

                  Stupid does not forgive and does not forget; naive forgives and forgets; clever forgives, but does not forget. (Thomas Sas) hi
                  1. 0
                    1 March 2013 20: 30
                    Quote: vorobey
                    I knew that you would answer sarcastically and prepared the answer in advance.

                    This is not causticity, Sparrow ........... This is sadness .........
                    1. DeerIvanovich
                      0
                      1 March 2013 21: 18
                      Baltika, and you are all right. totally agree with you on this thread
        3. -1
          1 March 2013 10: 55
          baltika-18
          Welcome. hi
          The author - five points ... "Well done" ... wink
          I read with an amazed face ... then - a smile "crept", and then - laughing laughing and then just - laughing laughing laughing laughing
          Five, no - ten points to the author !!!

          Nikolai, for the likes of AFFtoroF, I’m ready to subscribe - liquid and gaseous patriot to power and Putin V.V. personally...
          Yes, I forgot ... I'm also paid AmEEEEricky laughing
          True, like you, probably wink , I don’t know my account number, name of the bank, etc. wink

          Funny article ... laughing The author - .... 10000000 points. laughing laughing
          You know, there is such an expression - you need to know enemies .... You don't even need to know such "enemies" ... they are ridiculous. It's a bitch ... but funny.
        4. bask
          +2
          1 March 2013 11: 20
          Quote:] Why doesn't the government rely on us? "[/ Quote

          NEED TO ASK THE AUTHORITY.
          I THINK WE ARE THIS AUTHORITY FOR ...... DO NOT NEED !!!
          Their only support ::: oligarchically - the official class ...
          And naturally, the Zionists are cosmopolitan., From all over the world. FRS SUSHA
        5. +1
          1 March 2013 18: 00
          Quote: baltika-18
          They shouted in Moscow at that time. We did not shout in Siberia at that time, we just lived and worked. Then we went to the referendum and voted for the USSR, and this is actually advice, socialism and unity, if anyone forgot. We were simply betrayed ..... ...

          In the rest of Siberia, it is possible, but in our Kuzbass miners then shouted so much that dust began to flow throughout the Union (as early as 89th). I didn’t take part in strikes, I worked at the Prokopyevsky mine automation plant, but together with our labor collective I expressed solidarity to them. By the way, the miners themselves asked other enterprises of the city not to join the strike, limiting themselves to expressing support and solidarity. The miners' strikes by themselves did not destroy the Union, but the impetus for this was given by a strong one (many understood that if the people rise, then neither the police nor the army will shoot at the people). And although all the miners in a referendum voted to preserve the Union, the process, as they say, has already begun.
          Yesterday I talked with a friend (he is a participant in that strike), and now he works in a mine (not in the mountains, underground - by an underground electrician). He complained - the salary at the mine was cut. Over the past month I received almost forty, and this one a little over thirty (at the same time, his monthly processing by the hour is from 1,5 to 2 norms). Is it a worthy salary for miners? Recently, in discussions, someone argued that there are now no speeches by the workers, which means that everyone is happy with their salaries. I’m Andryukha and ask-aren’t going to go on strike? He replied that now, if you try, you will definitely fly away from work, without a severance pay, without a benefit from the employment service and without the opportunity to ever get a job in a coal enterprise (security services will not allow), so now you can’t do a simple strike without blood this will not end. And he added that the last time they went on strike - it’s how it all turned out, but can you imagine what will happen if this is started now?
          And I realized that the patience of the workers had not yet burst. But do oligarchs and the government understand this?
      3. +8
        1 March 2013 09: 16
        Quote: domokl
        ... Only now, in '91, we yelled about freedom, about market relations, about capitalism ... It was we, and I, including at the White House rally on August 21

        Quote: domokl
        In reality, we got exactly the capitalism that is in real life.


        I applaud the domocles while standing.
        here it should only be added that society was divided into two camps. Who was able to snatch and stick in those years. and who for various reasons could not.
        I also could not, because in those years I served and defended and it was difficult to adapt later. You can only quietly wrap the snot on a fist and puff not give up. but you can only do what to cry and shout how deprived and deprived I am, and here they are the nits who are to blame for this.

        Quote: domokl
        Government structures for the state are nothing but entrails for a person


        And just as susceptible to attack by parasites, worms and viruses. If the body is weak - then a box and a wreath, as it was in 90, the beginning of 2000, or the body at least weakly but resists and then there is hope for recovery and life. hi

        I think so (Mimino)
        1. +4
          1 March 2013 12: 00
          Quote: vorobey
          I think so (Mimino)

          Greetings, Domocles, Sparrow.
          And I think so. We have what we have. Although it’s not harmful, it’s harmful to do nothing and whine. We have to work and live, by definition, there are always several times (tens, hundreds) fewer workers than workers. You can be an optimist or a pessimist, who like it but normal a person should be, first of all, a realist and not torment himself with envy and fruitless dreams, but work, work and work, not forgetting to constantly learn during breaks drinks
          1. +2
            1 March 2013 15: 27
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            a normal person should be, first of all, a realist and not torment himself with envy and futile dreams, but work, work and work,

            Aha! Well, you're just like our president! When they asked him head-on how his son became a millionaire in three years (exactly in the three years of the priest's presidency), he replied: "He knows how to work well, and he picked up a good team for himself!" laughing laughing laughing
      4. +11
        1 March 2013 10: 37
        domokl,
        Quote: domokl
        And the state? So, excuse me, you and I constantly vote for this state ... Every year we choose, and then every year we swear who we choose ... State structures for the state are nothing but entrails for a person.

        To my shame, when Gorbach did perestroika, I sacredly believed in sincerity of intentions. When Gorbach allowed ITD, I thought it might be good, but I immediately drew attention to the fact of the multiplication of the criminal element. If earlier the fodder for crime was citizens, currency, speculation, guilds, which were under tight control, then here fodder became abundant. Athletes became racketeers. I never voted for EBN, I didn’t go to meetings and threw away my membership card.
        The assertion that people wanted capitalism is not true, they still do not want it. People wanted freedom and justice, not realizing that during the CPSU there was much more justice, although there was less freedom.
        1. +2
          1 March 2013 12: 04
          valokordin,
          Why be ashamed? We all, at least the majority, believed and sincerely wanted prosperity and justice.
      5. Fox
        +5
        1 March 2013 10: 46
        Quote: domokl
        ... It is we, and I, including at a rally at the White House on August 21

        here you have seen ... and we didn’t vote about the sausage and the rallies. the whole infection and went from Moscow. glad that you began to see clearly. it’s a pity that it’s too late, but better than nothing.
        1. explorer
          +1
          1 March 2013 14: 41
          I am convinced that the collapse of the Union was also caused by the growth of the capital by more than 1 million people. for 10 years. (from 1970 to 1980), with almost complete freezing of construction and development in the regions since the year 75,
          and oil and Afghan so mosquito bites ...
          1. DeerIvanovich
            +1
            1 March 2013 21: 38
            Moreover, at one time the explosive growth of the population of St. Petersburg was one of the main prerequisites for the bloody events of the beginning of the last century.
            for every huge crowd of people gives rise to corresponding problems in the event of destruction and collapse.
            this must be remembered by our leadership and instead of breaking through the "rubber", and so that it will spill over into an even larger territory, it is necessary to take all measures to stimulate de-urbanization processes and stimulate the development of the village - thereby, demography will be improved, and the territory will not be empty will be. in a village in a rare family of children less than 3 ...
        2. DeerIvanovich
          0
          1 March 2013 21: 32
          That's right, comrade fox, you say: all the infection from Moscow has gone, and now it is ...
          I know many young people from work, those who now hold the production of Moscow between the ages of 20 and 40. So Muscovites still hate the union fiercely and everyone who calls the scoops directly into the eyes of the team model ... only really these Muscovites do not work ... more idle talk, not work. but the guys from the hinterland are shocking, for a small salary they don’t scramble, and they really pull out production now.
          only Muscovites, and from Zamkadia children of the former nomenclature, only they deify capitalism and do not want to know anything about their past.
          of course there are people who are adequate among them, but as they say, an exception confirms the rule
  2. +11
    1 March 2013 08: 04
    I agree with almost everything. The idea of ​​patriotism has fed so many of our political scientists and politicians for so long that it has transformed in their mouths into some kind of constant criticism of the authorities ... Any action by the authorities causes compulsory criticism. But there are no concrete proposals at all ...
    And liberals do exactly the same thing .. The same Zhirinovsky will never go to power .. Why? To be constantly in sight, to be in the power elite and not to answer for anything, what’s the position?
    It seems to me that soon the niche of the patriotic critics will begin to occupy the other patriots of the Earth, the so-called citizens of the world, or rather Ivana, who do not remember kinship ...
    The talk-shop, to which many are accustomed, has already begun to annoy the people and now it is more like believing in deeds than words ...
    1. +5
      1 March 2013 08: 37
      Quote: domokl
      The idea of ​​patriotism fed so many of our political scientists and politicians for so long that it transformed in their mouths into some kind of constant criticism of the authorities.

      The problem is that the government itself gives rise to criticism, as an example, a post above LIS
      : Arrests of Khabarov and Kvachkov, and freedom of a secretor, sour cream, serdyukov ....... hi
      1. +5
        1 March 2013 09: 04
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The problem is that the government itself gives rise to criticism
        Only he who does nothing is not mistaken ... But you and I know that not a single decision of the authorities, not a single event can do without criticism ...
        You are well aware of my attitude to the Khabarov case, but ... read the comments ... Some of the colleagues believe that everything is right, the state was defending ...
        For our shitty history, we have received quite serious opponents in the country, who have the strength, money, and power, who can sweep Putin and the rest off the chairs at a time .. And everyone understands this ... Then they need to be strangled like boas ... rings ... So that the victim only then realizes that she is in a vice ... And here, I will remind our answers to Magnitsky’s Law ... drinks
        1. Kaa
          +13
          1 March 2013 09: 42
          Quote: domokl
          Slowly pulling rings

          This is our way! And then you sometimes read individual statements that everyone needs to be scrambled at the root, and urgently - and you remember that "the Russian revolt is terrible, senseless and merciless." The best minds of the West have been mobilized against the legitimate power of Russia, hundreds of billions of dollars have been used to buy people inside the country, endowed with a part of power, as if criticizing "with water would not throw out a child"
      2. +11
        1 March 2013 09: 22
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        the arrests of Khabarov and Kvachkov, and the freedom of a secretor, sour cream, serdyukov .......


        Sanya, with all due respect. Didn’t we ourselves shouting that they were pushing for business, that they were planting, fabricating, and so on for economic crimes. They made it easier, reduced the threshold of responsibility and gave relief - we got the result. The opinion about Khabarov and Kvachkov has already been stated. I personally did not like a number of points, and in particular the pathos and the very idea of ​​revolution.
        1. +4
          1 March 2013 11: 11
          Quote: vorobey
          The opinion about Khabarov and Kvachkov has already been stated. I personally did not like a number of points, and in particular the pathos and the very idea of ​​revolution.

          hi and where was it there, "revolution" ... if we discard the pretentiousness? ...
          and 13 years of stroking for "pretentiousness" - not too much? ...
          I also did not like a lot of things there ... for example, the "transcript" of the court session and the judge's obvious sharpening of the predetermined outcome of the case ... his obvious disregard for the testimony of witnesses during the court session ... those very witnesses who were open during the session retracted their previous testimony, citing the pressure of the investigation at the stage of pre-trial proceedings ... request or what? ... Themis begins to be guided by the principle "I said that I died - that means I died!"? ...
          it stinks too much of all this order ... hi
          1. +4
            1 March 2013 12: 12
            military,
            It’s not entirely clear. What exactly is wrong? What was given? Or, what was given a lot?
            Any court is a "order" -customer prosecutor (state prosecutor)
            1. +6
              1 March 2013 13: 03
              Quote: Old Rocketman
              It’s not entirely clear. What exactly is wrong? What was given? Or, what was given a lot?

              I will explain what exactly is wrong ...
              at least ... "what was given a lot"
              as a maximum ... "what was given"
              and, definitely ... the way the judicial farce itself went ...
              Quote: Old Rocketman
              Any court is a "order" -customer prosecutor (public prosecutor)

              that is, this is a "state order" ... a demonstrative demonstration of muscles, deliberately calculated for the uncontested finishing off of a sparring partner ... so that others do not even think about the ring ... I understand ... I agree ... Yes
              1. +2
                1 March 2013 15: 01
                military,
                In general, somewhere like that, the answer is satisfied drinks
    2. +2
      1 March 2013 09: 16
      Quote: domokl
      I think that soon the other patriots of the Earth, the so-called citizens of the world, or rather Ivana, who do not remember kinship, will begin to occupy the niche of the patriotic critics.

      Somewhere I heard it ....... I’m sure that this will not happen ....... I even predict the situation exactly the opposite ..... From criticism to action ....... Then to power ......
      1. Cheloveck
        +1
        1 March 2013 10: 37
        Quote: baltika-18
        I am sure that this will not happen ....... I even predict the situation exactly the opposite ..... From criticism to action ....... Then to the authorities ......

        I agree.
        But, alas, not in our lifetimes.
        Our grandchildren will take action.
        1. +5
          1 March 2013 12: 32
          Quote: Cheloveck
          I agree.
          But, alas, not in our lifetimes.
          Our grandchildren will take action.

          I don’t agree. Modern life is dynamic. We ourselves will see the beginning of changes and take a direct part in them. I am not yet 50 years old.
  3. +2
    1 March 2013 08: 05
    Someone did not understand.
    1. Nevsky
      0
      1 March 2013 08: 49
      I didn't get it either. Is it to become against Kurginyan and the like, or not? what
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +5
        1 March 2013 09: 05
        on the contrary, the patriots are called upon to structure by the example of Kurginyan for a distinct rebuff to structured and well-managed liberals. not to be a mass when all patriots and at the same time everyone is for himself.
        I’ll put a plus to the article, apparently, the idea that the author of the article wanted to convey, few people understood.
      2. +3
        1 March 2013 09: 11
        And what is there to not understand, brothers?
        Us, it’s us ... and other patriotic sites (and not very patriotic) - Roman Nosikov took it and ... called it soberistically - fluid and soft, flowing underfoot.
        And over all this - tan - runs a basilisk lizard.
        Not only that, this writer does not know the features of the basilisk lizard.
        So he is still very deftly - he distorts.
        Schuler, simply put.
        The authorities, when it was convenient, took and pulled Kholmansky from the shop manager.
        And there are a lot of sites - well, let's say "Stop WTO" with signatures (presumably - gaseous and liquid) - so the government ... forgotten ... big and fat.
        And there is still such a tricky mechanism - registration is called. Social movement. But the author modestly pretends to be a virgin.
        ..
        So ... about ... gas.
        Roman Nosikov - ruined ... the gas environment. And he is all in white.
        As if.
        Although - it stinks !!!
        No strength.
        1. DeerIvanovich
          +3
          1 March 2013 09: 16
          well, who knows how to write a lot, and the rivals of the patriots also took on mass in the beginning.
          it’s not a matter of scribble, but of real affairs! organize the topwar community in defending patriotic affairs really not in words but in deeds, then we can talk who is gaseous here
        2. Kaa
          +4
          1 March 2013 09: 34
          Quote: Igarr
          Roman Nosikov - ruined ... the gas environment. And he - all in white

          "Sergey Yervandovich Kurginyan is not a real one, but an agent. That he is a project and a trap for patriotic people who are not indifferent to the fate of the Fatherland, in order to force them to cooperate with the government instead of having their own patriotic opinion on all important issues
          You can have a slightly different attitude to the slightly shocking Kurginyan, but as a patriotic person he will not live, and not cooperate (just collaborators, not patriots collaborate) with the government of his country, which the majority of the citizens of the country have chosen - I can’t imagine ... request And to have an independent opinion and not cooperate, is it like walking with a fig in your pocket? So we have already passed both the "sixties" and the dissidents, how it ended - everyone is well aware ... But the Cossack is sent (in the sense of the author of the article), IMHO.
          1. DeerIvanovich
            +1
            1 March 2013 22: 12
            I would like to see that the site organized at least once the collection of signatures on a particular issue that is important for the Motherland, and here's a look: firstly, can this community organize itself for such an event, and secondly, how the people who make up this community will be respond to this event.
            otherwise, the author of the article is right, there is no one else except Kurginyan and others like that (there used to be such a bloc Rodina headed by Glazyev and Rogozin, also a Kremlin idea), a secret intrigue and protege of the Kremlin, patriots to organize, they can’t organize themselves! !!
        3. +8
          1 March 2013 10: 01
          Igarr (2)
          Us, just us ... and other patriotic sites (and not very patriotic) - Roman Nosikov took it and ... called it soberistically - liquid and soft, flowing underfoot ...

          Where did he say about communities? A site after all, all the same, a community?
          He speaks of the atomized, patched by the thinnest layer in society, patriots who do not recognize any organized dialogue with the authorities.
          And he says this, it seemed to me, with bitterness :(
          The premise is right!
          All patriotic, sovereign forces must acquire tangible forms, be structured. Gas and liquid should be followed by crystallization.
          Such different "Izborsk" have united.
          1. +1
            1 March 2013 11: 35
            Well, yes, Vladimir, that’s exactly what it is.
            Everything is in the heap ... gaseous, liquid, well-dressed ... that give advice to Putin and resent that he does not follow these tips.
            They are not structured, they beat on their own, who is what.
            So it suggests itself - ".. if they are so smart, then why don't you go in formation? .."
            ..
            Ha, so now - create a party, run for election. Will it be easy for the author at heart if a thousand parties are created?
            This is us ... me, you, he, she ... on this site, on the "USSR" site, on the "Military Materials" site - patriots. Or are they empty-headed?
            How else should we be formed?
            To whom to give money - .... in short?
            1. +1
              1 March 2013 12: 00
              Igarr (2)
              How else should we be formed? ..

              Probably through shock :)
              Once again, the white-tape hydra will fall out on the square, so quickly everything will be formed.
              But if seriously ...
              True, I am not strong in physics :( But, I believe, crystallization should be preceded by concentration - thoughts, ideas, concepts.
              This site contributes to this. So the process is on.
              1. 0
                1 March 2013 18: 17
                ".. This site contributes to this."
                No, Vladimir, does not contribute.
                It takes you away from the topic ... about which the author, in the third layer of his story, told us.
                The first is you all gando..oh, condoms ...
                Because - everything is in white. And theorists.
                The second - real power - is organized. Even from behind the hill. And you - gando ...oh, still not in it.
                Third - hey-hey .. I’ll see how you manage to organize, gando...Oh. Against us.
                And, the fourth - what the hell do you get through. Including your favorite GDP.
                ...
                I get it all that way.
      3. djon3volta
        -1
        1 March 2013 10: 27
        Quote: Nevsky
        against Kurginyan and the like, or not?

        Kurginyan is also muddy ..
        1. work566
          +2
          1 March 2013 10: 57
          I want to say in defense of Kurginyan. A man works a lot on the patriotic
          flank. The newspaper is about to create a political organization,
          the "Essence of Time" cells are already operating in this country.
          in his regular video appearances, Putin’s current course, which continues to be embraced in the Kremlin with the Medvedevs and Dvorkovich.
          I must say thanks to him for his work. And you: he is muddy!
    2. +7
      1 March 2013 09: 06
      tolan_petrovich,
      The author simply said that power always relies on force. If the patriotic power is asleep, it relies on what is liberal. Otherwise, power will collapse without power.
      1. +4
        1 March 2013 09: 31
        Quote: Ross
        If the patriotic power is asleep, it relies on what is liberal. Otherwise, power will collapse without power.


        Zhenya is just a plus.
      2. +4
        1 March 2013 10: 06
        Ross
        the author said that power is always based on force.

        Could be so. But it’s possible in another way: the authorities need support points in the form of organized public structures that have a certain ideology and reflect the opinion of different audiences of society.
  4. +2
    1 March 2013 08: 05
    Homeland also needs those who wish that at least something depended on them.

    To make something dependent on yourself, you need to find a structure. And therefore - and the form

    It seems to me that our Motherland now needs more patriots. And not only those who acquire form and content, but endlessly explore public opinion. And patriots are NOT ONLY those who shout "Hurray" always and to everything. A patriot is an expert in the history of his country, an expert in traditions and culture. This is a person who not only said or wrote a lot for the benefit of the country, but also did something useful. Who raised his children as patriots, helped them get an education (and not only in England gave them education). Who in the end realizes that he is not a slave to the system, those in power, or a hostage of circumstances. So the Motherland still needs those who want something to depend on him. And good deeds, and raising children, and procreation ...
    Apparently I did not quite understand the author’s thoughts. Probably someone offended him
    1. predator.3
      +9
      1 March 2013 08: 29
      Quote: smel
      It seems to me that now our Motherland still needs more patriots.


      Our people are patriotic, but the authorities and the so-called "elite", it is completely absent, who have real estate over the hill, give birth to children in the United States (to automatically obtain citizenship), the offspring study there, and "overwhelming" acquired (more precisely stolen) store in offshore, so what are they patriots! They are shift workers - temporary workers! stop
      1. +9
        1 March 2013 09: 01
        Quote: predator.3
        give birth to children in the USA


        Friske went to give birth in Miami, maybe she won’t return? I really hope
        1. +4
          1 March 2013 09: 08
          Counts on American citizenship. Children born in the United States before the age of majority are faced with the choice to take a green card or not. And it doesn't matter who the parents are. But in the 90s, when I entered my son into a passport, I had to pretty much run to collect a bunch of papers proving that a child born in Russia, having a Russian "metric", the parents are Russians and never went anywhere, is also a citizen of the Russian Federation.
        2. predator.3
          +4
          1 March 2013 09: 51
          Quote: Vadivak
          Friske went to give birth in Miami, maybe she won’t return? I really hope

          Will come back! where does she "earn" money, but in the US, except in the panel ?! lol
        3. +3
          1 March 2013 09: 54
          Quote: Vadivak
          Friske went to give birth in Miami,

          For them it is considered a fashionable trend to give birth anywhere, but not in Russia.
          1. Kaa
            +2
            1 March 2013 10: 45
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            They consider it a fashion trend, give birth anywhere,

            And if in Antarctica, what citizenship will be recorded, a penguin, or what? laughing
            1. +3
              1 March 2013 10: 47
              Quote: Kaa
              And if in Antarctica, what citizenship will be recorded,

              And there they are already building a maternity hospital. Although a bad example is contagious, one will give birth there and a crowd of business will be broken there laughing
              1. Kaa
                +2
                1 March 2013 11: 10
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And there they are already building a maternity hospital.

                Here they are, the offspring of our "creative class" - from white ribbons - to white snow ... how poetic crying
      2. +1
        1 March 2013 09: 37
        predator.3,
        Our people are patriotic, but the power and the so-called "elite" are completely absent
        I do not deny that the elite is on duty here. But someone chooses her. Or puts up with the fact that she imposes herself. Take Serdyukov. He leads the army, and the President is not afraid to go to the polls with such an MO !!! And the army is voting for Putin. It says something.
        1. predator.3
          0
          1 March 2013 09: 56
          Quote: smel
          I do not deny that the elite is on duty here. But someone chooses her. Or puts up with the fact that she imposes herself. Take Serdyukov. He leads the army, and the President is not afraid to go to the polls with such an MO !!! And the army is voting for Putin. It says something.


          For this we have a "wizard" Churov! laughing
          1. +2
            1 March 2013 10: 47
            Quote: predator.3
            For this we have a "wizard" Churov!

            How quickly he learned magic, a wand in his hands and a blue fairy in bed
        2. +2
          1 March 2013 10: 45
          Quote: smel
          I do not deny that the elite is on duty here. But someone chooses her. Or puts up with the fact that she imposes herself. Take Serdyukov. He leads the army, and the President is not afraid to go to the polls with such an MO !!! And the army is voting for Putin. It says something.

          The army votes as it is ordered, if before the army voted for the indestructible bloc of communists and non-partisans, now it votes for the same block of indestructible oligarchs and United Russia. This begs the question of what is the common relation to Russia
    2. +2
      1 March 2013 12: 07
      Quote: smel
      Our Motherland now still needs more patriots.

      Homeland always needs patriots. But the authorities? Oh, oh!
  5. 0
    1 March 2013 08: 14
    They are "true patriots", only they do not want to work for the good of the Motherland, and it is not for them to defend the Motherland. But there is a huge desire for the power to rely on them, and ideally they will indicate where to go.
  6. +2
    1 March 2013 08: 20
    The idea then gains strength when it takes possession of the masses - so it seems with the classic. The normal process is going on, first kitchen talks, then small "clubs", and only then a powerful protest movement.
    The author is not satisfied with something, but what is not very clear, the whole country should stand shoulder to shoulder in a single "structure"? This is how people need to be organized, and they must also want to organize, and for this, patriots are needed and the more of them the better ...
  7. +3
    1 March 2013 08: 42
    The harder someone knocks on his chest with a shout: “I am a patriot!”, The less I trust him. For some reason I remember: "Stop the thief!"
  8. vladsolo56
    +3
    1 March 2013 08: 45
    Maybe I’m a noob, only honestly I didn’t understand what the essence of the article is. If the author claims that the opposition does not want to cooperate with the authorities, then let him suggest options for how he imagines such cooperation. What is the reason for power? also not clear. No, I don’t imagine what the reason is for the authorities, here I don’t have to think much, the oligarchs rule everything in our country. What kind of cooperation do these oligarchs need? who can imagine In my opinion they need only unconditional submission and all.
    Kurginyan here in general from what side?
    In the elderberry garden
    1. -1
      1 March 2013 11: 07
      Noobs in a stalker, but here is an incomprehensible article that is blurry about anything.
  9. +4
    1 March 2013 08: 56
    Brothers, all these laments on whom to rely, whom to listen to, where to seek support, is a consequence of the actions of the authorities for a quarter of a century. And it is, this lack of ideology and the goal set by the authorities to the people. As a result, the country lacks unity in everything. What to rely on? Everyone has become a stopissot of trends, ideas, and beliefs. The question is different, the destruction of unity was a goal or stupidity, so that later everything would be replaced by a liberal and tolerant?
    1. Cheloveck
      +1
      1 March 2013 10: 21
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      The question is different, the destruction of unity was the goal or stupidity, so that then everything would be replaced by liberal and tolerant?

      And with the unity preserved, theft of our proportions would be possible?
      The question, of course, is rhetorical.
  10. +17
    1 March 2013 09: 04
    Let's see really around .......
    On the first channel, viewers chose PERSONALITY-Joseph Stalin

    Russian people are worried in Sagra, Kondopoga, Demyanovo, they are being prosecuted ...
    They are planted under article 282, for treason to the Motherland, Kvachkov, Trekhlebov, Khabarov ...
    Those who shoot at the Russians and kill them are released-Mirzoyev, Shooting wedding, Azeri Sagra ...
    The authorities are lying - the Kursk submarine, the Krymsk flood, Destroys the Army and the Navy, Destroys production and agriculture ...
    Joining the WTO, transfers its sovereignty overnational structures .....
    Gives our lands blood-soaked-Damansky island, and Economic interests-Fishing zone around the island of Spetsbergen ....
    The President of the Orthodox country prays at the wailing wall (fulfills JUDASsource rites))
    Giving a medal to Gorbachev ???
    Barkov (vice president of Lukola)) avoids punishment for the murder of two Russian women (he was driving?!?) ..... the recordings of surveillance cameras disappear, the examination is not accepted ...
    In the Duma, athletes, Caucasians, actresses pass laws in two days about volunteering (actually prohibiting help collected in a fit of heart)))
    .................................................. ..............................


    .................................................. ...........................
    You can list endlessly ....
    1. klyka1960
      -2
      1 March 2013 09: 18
      All mixed in a bunch. Strange parallels-Kvachkov and Trekhlebov ....
      1. Fox
        +4
        1 March 2013 10: 58
        [quote = klyka1960]. Strange parallels-Kvachkov and Trekhlebov [/ q-nothing strange if you know a little more, and read not only comics. hi
    2. djon3volta
      -4
      1 March 2013 10: 44
      Look, Asgard, you’re writing as if it’s the truth, they’re giving you a plus, you got everything out of the bunch, in general there are many of you, and even the majority will support you.
      now imagine you say the same thing somewhere publicly on TV or at a rally, what do you think people / viewers / listeners will hold you in REAL? No, they won’t, and you’ll lose! Now what do you think, why Zyuganov lost the election? Well, of course you can refer to not honesty (prove then), but remember what Zyuganov was doing, and now he is engaged in performances?he only criticizes, scolds, says that everything is bad and Russia is slidingand Putin in his speeches, on the contrary, says that everything is fine, Russia is objecting, being built, etc., that’s for whom in REAL people will go, for someone who says that everything is bad and we are gone, or for someone who says that everything is good and we are we lost? that’s why such people lose, who say that everything is bad, they don’t need such leaders for the people.
      1. +5
        1 March 2013 11: 23
        Guys do not need to put cons ... in principle, He outlined a good topic, it would be necessary to illuminate the question, the person does not understand the moment))))
        Quote: djon3volta
        say somewhere publicly on TV or at a rally, as you think people / viewers /

        * If this is a rally, then making from my previous post Slogans write on banners, light people and power can be put on cancer (all the more so for what))
        * On TV, remember the dialogue -Sit down Masha !, Thank you Vova ...))) in there it was seen how much "floated", how much to explain to everyone here, the little man-president does not answer direct questions, NOT OUR PERSON .....plays a role, he, alas, is not an enviable fate ...... (a pity, many people think well about him))
        I often talk with People (sometimes it’s not as tricky as I write on the VO site))) I almost always support me in the dialogue, then the truth again comes under the influence of various sects)))
        People have no education and actual material resist the impudence of the lies of the media .....

        Now for the action. I know how to fill up a steam locomotive (in which section)) where are the weak points in the energy centers, where and how are the fiber-optic communication cables and how the Ministry of Internal Affairs service is organized - I (brilliantly)) learned this from the Soviet state and what ???? Get into the chronicles as seaside partisans ???? How Kvachkov ?? (Very many))) People will be mistaken and how are you incomprehensible to the end of ongoing processes .....

        So we write our opinion on the site, consider alternative points of view, absorb KNOWLEDGE (they will someday organize YOUR brain correctly)) and do not call Russian People to organize .....
        There is a time for everything .... The Russians are going on two occasions ... 1- to drink))) and 2- to defend their homeland ... for now (morons)) give loans, we wait .....
        We look at who heads the associations of the Northern Brotherhood, BER, and the like crap .... You remember the priest Gapon ....
        if you are going to do something, you have no right to make a mistake (like the liberals), you should not let people down ....
        People do not be bl.ya..dmi (I apologize to the moderators, there is no other word in the language))))
    3. Melchakov
      0
      1 March 2013 18: 14
      Quote: Asgard
      The President of an Orthodox country prays at the wailing wall (

      Proof of.
  11. +6
    1 March 2013 09: 10
    An article on the topic of the day, but it seems to me too softly written. Words would be harder to pick up.
  12. +5
    1 March 2013 09: 10
    IMHO of course, but the author is not quite right. Patriotism and statehood are primarily the concern of the state itself. And it is the state that must create, well, or at least fully support all those initiatives that are put forward in this vein.
    And what we get is that - all sorts of libercenters that have full financial and organizational support because of the "hillock", they were originally created as ready-made structures. Because they are backed by professionals in these matters. And to an ordinary patriot, even if he wishes to create his own patriotic organization, his state structures immediately put so many sticks in the wheels that the sky will seem like a sheepskin. As an example - PGR with N. Starikov.
    1. +4
      1 March 2013 09: 40
      Our country is wonderful, but the state ...
    2. +2
      1 March 2013 13: 12
      The meaning of the very existence of the state ... is to protect the interests of its citizens, and sometimes we have the feeling that the state exists to protect its interests separately from the interests of citizens .... although the people and the state should be the same on the principle ...
  13. Cheloveck
    0
    1 March 2013 09: 31
    The article is about nothing.
    It is high time to understand that patriotism for the current government is the patriotism of their own interests, and such a concept as the Motherland is forgotten firmly and for a long time.
    All rhetoric of power about patriotism is designed for the layman.
    Words never match deeds.
    There would have been a need for reliance on patriotic movements - real money would have been invested in them, since there is enough money in the country, and alas ... words, words ...
    1. Perch_xnumx
      +2
      1 March 2013 09: 50
      And what is the alternative? It can be even worse if liberals, puppets of America and the West are elected, nuclear weapons are cut, the radicals Islam blossoms and a parade of color revolutions of independence of Tatarstan, Dagestan, Chechnya, etc. begins. and the liberals will approve - the will of the people, then they will take up Siberia and the Far East, and will cut the country and divide. It is necessary to fight against corruption and privatization together within the government, and not against it.
  14. DYMITRY
    +4
    1 March 2013 09: 32
    Now the srach will begin !!!!!
    As a matter of fact, it has already begun. Every third comment is about what a shitty government and how terrible everything is in the country. It’s a paradise theme for the “patriots” of the white-girdled orientation. Now turn around!
    Here is an article about just such and written. Screams, screams, and not a single thing! For one simple reason, those who do business have no time to shout !!! Those who do something in terms of patriotic education know that power goes towards those who wish, albeit to a lesser extent than we would like. But it helps.
    And there is no time to deal with those about whom the article was written, who, apart from them, will tell the people how to live poorly in the country, and what a terrible power we have !!!
    1. djon3volta
      0
      1 March 2013 11: 06
      Quote: DYMITRY
      Here is an article about just such and written. Screams, screams, and not a single thing!

      I’m wondering, in the 90s the Communist Party of the Russian Federation had a majority in the Duma, more than 50% of the seats, Zyuganov ruled as they say, what did they do useful, what laws did they adopt for the good of the people? 500 tons of uranium to the Americans, after all, Zyuganov received loot from Berezovsky to push through the "necessary" laws and amendments. YouTube has that program and on the program's website), where knowledgeable people directly say that Zyuganov has a brothel (brothel) in Oryol and protects it, a blind man (forgot his last name from the Communist Party too) owns the largest gay club in Europe, which is located in In Moscow, a relative of Zyuganov was arrested for a bribe. The video can be found, the program aired in January.
      the question is - what did Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation make and built useful for 20 years? otherwise I ask yesterday here, they say that your (mine?) EdRo and medveputs have been useful and built in 20 years? Well, for the first time, EdRo has not existed for 20 years, medveputs aren’t They ruled the country for 20 years.
    2. djon3volta
      +3
      1 March 2013 11: 14
      Quote: DYMITRY
      Here is an article about just such and written. Screams, screams, and not a single thing!

      I’m wondering, in the 90s the Communist Party of the Russian Federation had a majority in the Duma, more than 50% of the seats, Zyuganov ruled as they say, what did they do useful, what laws did they adopt for the good of the people? 500 tons of uranium to the Americans, after all, Zyuganov received loot from Berezovsky to push through the "necessary" laws and amendments. YouTube has that program and on the program's website), where knowledgeable people directly say that Zyuganov has a brothel (brothel) in Oryol and protects it, a blind man (forgot his last name from the Communist Party too) owns the largest gay club in Europe, which is located in In Moscow, a relative of Zyuganov was arrested for a bribe. The video can be found, the program aired in January.
      the question is - what did Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation make and built useful for 20 years? otherwise I ask yesterday here, they say that your (mine?) EdRo and medveputs have been useful and built in 20 years? Well, for the first time, EdRo has not existed for 20 years, medveputs aren’t They ruled the country for 20 years.
      and here's a snack video, very instructive for fans of the Communist Party

      1. +5
        1 March 2013 12: 23
        The CPSU died along with I.V. Stalin! The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the successor of the Mr. who was made of it by subsequent "tovarischi". They were the first to run to "grab" and are now acting according to the same patterns!
      2. 0
        1 March 2013 22: 18
        instructive for fans of the Communist Party

        In my opinion, the video is cheap. And it is very cheap. Non-verbal behavior is interpreted very primitively, many gestures are interpreted incorrectly (in particular, "direct gaze" is incorrect).
        The text too - to build logic in one torn context - is demagogy. Take any performance, tailor it as you wish, and white will turn black.
        So do not replicate such bullshit. I am not an adherent of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and I do not like dad Ziu, but let's not stoop to such "arguments".
    3. sincman
      +10
      1 March 2013 11: 17
      Even more! Many did not even understand what the article was about. But the author very accurately pointed out the shortcomings of an adequate, pro-Russian opposition - i.e. patritov! Personally, after reading these conclusions I made:
      1. If you are a person who is really not indifferent to your homeland, you have a head on your shoulders, initiative and businesslike - organize your patriotic movement, initiative group, party, etc. And already in an organized way represent the interests of the people in power!
      2. If you are not initiative enough, but the fate of the country is not indifferent to you, join the existing popular movements. Fortunately, they are already acquiring specific outlines - the "All-Russian Popular Front" by Vladimir Putin, "The Essence of Time" by Sergei Kurginyan, "Trade Union of Russian Citizens" by Nikolai Starikov, etc. If you think that these are all tricks and distractions - even more so enter and learn them from the inside, make your contribution to the general policy of the organization, control all its actions so that no one is used to use the organization not in the interests of the common people.
      3. If not the first or second point does not fit - quietly step aside and do not bother people from working. At the same time, do not slander anyone and do not stipulate without proof.

      Very often the site had to read comments like Sergei Kurginyan is a Kremlin project to distract the attention of true patriots, Nikolai Starikov is a Putin agitator, and Evgeny Fyodorov is just a liar! At the same time, those who say so often did not even try to organize some adequate popular movement or organization that defended our common interests, did not try to look at the existing people's organizations from the inside. All positive undertakings are treated according to the principle "and Baba Yaga is against." They say I'm the smartest, and the rest are fools or traitors. But such a real inaction, and sometimes opposition to adequate undertakings, is what our enemies need! What they need is precisely the liquid and spreading mass of the people, reviling each other, competing for the right to consider themselves the best of the best patriots! And there is no time! Time is running out inexorably, and the wealth and strength of our common Motherland is running out before our eyes! It's time to get together in one fist! I think this: Vladimir Putin is asking for the support of the people in order to cleanse agents of foreign influence from power (As Fedorov says) - you need to give him this chance, give him our support! First, we will clean our Augean stables from various debris. And if God forbid he deceives us after that and we see some treacherous notes in his actions, then let him blame himself. The agitated swarm of people will simply sweep it out of its way! And if he does not deceive, then honor and praise and national glory are in our great history! As for me, this is so effective and fair! And to fight all against all is counterproductive.
      1. vladsolo56
        +3
        1 March 2013 11: 24
        Kvachkov also organized 13 planers
      2. DYMITRY
        +8
        1 March 2013 12: 02
        Quote: sincman
        If neither the first nor the second point is suitable - quietly step aside and do not bother people from working. At the same time, do not slander anyone and do not stipulate without proof.

        Good day, Andrey!
        There is also the third path that I have chosen for myself, and many more of my friends. Engage in patriotic education from below. Do real things. For example, in Yekaterinburg, the airsoft community decided to take up the upbringing of the younger generation. On February 21, 2013, another club of military-patriotic education was opened. Comrades at their own expense, and they restored the premises on their own (when it was handed over to them, there the ice lay on the floor and the walls threatened to collapse) At the moment, the club is gathering children. The work goes in three directions: army training, melee and weightlifting. This is what I call healthy patriotism !!! Repairing a playground in your own yard is also a healthy patriotism. Something to help people who are pulling on themselves, too, patriotism !!!
        And it is precisely for such patriotism that I advocate. If everyone does at least something in this direction, the result will be huge !!!

        Quote: djon3volta
        the question is what did Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation make useful and have built in 20 years?

        Well, for the last 10 years, thank God, they have not been allowed to do "good deeds" on the scale they did in the 90s. And if you remember those times, then you are simply amazed! One has only to remember that Uncle ZY is the only person in the world. who sold the presidential chair of the most powerful power for a pack of green candy wrappers !!! And in general, these people have not the slightest relation to the communists, and they have no right to be named. The communists were taken out by Nikita, the asshole-headed maize. After him, only conformists, Trotskyists and opportunists remained in power.
        1. sincman
          +5
          1 March 2013 12: 35
          Quote: DYMITRY
          Good day, Andrey!
          There is also the third path that I have chosen for myself, and many more of my friends. Engage in patriotic education from below. Do real things. For example, in Yekaterinburg, the airsoft community decided to take up the upbringing of the younger generation. On February 21, 2013, another club of military-patriotic education was opened. Comrades at their own expense, and they restored the premises on their own (when it was handed over to them, there the ice lay on the floor and the walls threatened to collapse) At the moment, the club is gathering children. The work goes in three directions: army training, melee and weightlifting. This is what I call healthy patriotism !!! Repairing a playground in your own yard is also a healthy patriotism. Something to help people who are pulling on themselves, too, patriotism !!!
          And it is precisely for such patriotism that I advocate. If everyone does at least something in this direction, the result will be huge !!!

          Great way! Sincere bows to you and your comrades! Our children are our everything! And your undertakings work great for our prospect! But the problem is that it was necessary to act "yesterday." This is what the first two options are for.
          1. DeerIvanovich
            +1
            1 March 2013 22: 30
            don’t worry, it’s never too late. even though we lost the battle and surrendered a lot of positions, but the time will come and the sons of the Motherland will return to her greatness
        2. DeerIvanovich
          0
          1 March 2013 22: 28
          Quote: DYMITRY
          There is also the third path that I have chosen for myself, and many more of my friends. Engage in patriotic education from below. Do real things. For example, in Yekaterinburg, the airsoft community decided to take up the upbringing of the younger generation. On February 21, 2013, another club of military-patriotic education was opened. Comrades at their own expense, and they restored the premises on their own (when it was handed over to them, there the ice lay on the floor and the walls threatened to collapse) At the moment, the club is gathering children. The work goes in three directions: army training, melee and weightlifting. This is what I call healthy patriotism !!! Repairing a playground in your own yard is also a healthy patriotism. Something to help people who are pulling on themselves, too, patriotism !!!
          And it is precisely for such patriotism that I advocate. If everyone does at least something in this direction, the result will be huge !!!
          comrades, do all the best to you in this endeavor.
      3. Urrry
        +4
        1 March 2013 15: 10
        I agree, and the instructions are clear: either work and fight for power in legal ways - or at least don't bother, don't rock the boat ... groans "I am not in power and I can do nothing" are excuses for losers. Why aren't you in power? "Liberal leaders" and "ideologists" studied in the same schools as we did, sat at the same desk, and if I am not in power but in power they are just my failure, because everyone had equal starting opportunities in the USSR. And therefore, "patriotism" in everyone should be measured not by the number of words about love for the Motherland, but by real deeds to turn the country's state apparatus towards this patriotism ...
      4. DeerIvanovich
        0
        1 March 2013 22: 25
        Quote: sincman
        Very often the site had to read comments like Sergei Kurginyan is a Kremlin project to distract the attention of true patriots, Nikolai Starikov is a Putin agitator, and Evgeny Fyodorov is just a liar! At the same time, those who say so often did not even try to organize some adequate popular movement or organization that defended our common interests, did not try to look at the existing people's organizations from the inside. All positive undertakings are treated according to the principle "and Baba Yaga is against." They say I'm the smartest, and the rest are fools or traitors. But such a real inaction, and sometimes opposition to adequate undertakings, is what our enemies need! What they need is precisely the liquid and spreading mass of the people, reviling each other, competing for the right to consider themselves the best of the best patriots! And there is no time! Time is running out inexorably, and the wealth and strength of our common Motherland is running out before our eyes! It's time to get together in one fist!

        such words would be more common on this site. a real man!
    4. vladsolo56
      0
      1 March 2013 11: 24
      You are right. The authorities are going to meet, Khabarov has been shut down and waiting for a person to die behind bars, then there will be no trial that would not be dishonored with his inflated accusations. Power she always goes towards those who are her
      1. sincman
        +2
        1 March 2013 11: 44
        Power ... power ... After all, it happens to be different! Have you read the interview with Evgeny Fedorov? Even if you do not believe 100% of his statements, an approximate picture of the heterogeneity of power can be imagined! Now, if we imagine (simplify) that there are 2 camps in power - Liberal (Westerners) and Pro-Russian (business executives - even if they are in their own interests). How do you think which of these camps was profitable to close now Kvachkova? So I would be in place of the Liberal would plant him now for 25 years strict, in order to cast as much shadow as possible on the Power! After all, many do not divide it into fractions (That's how it is in your case). Moreover, it is profitable when business executives decided to clean power from the liberals! They urgently needed to do some dirty trick. At the same time, Chubais got even with his offender! Turn on your head sometimes. Useful!
        1. vladsolo56
          -1
          1 March 2013 11: 52
          the arguments? tell me who is in power production? especially not just one minister but a group; for some reason I do not notice such ministers. This is the first.
          Second, as you hope, we know a market economy. name at least a few global (even for Russia) projects for the construction of production enterprises, for Russia today there should be at least a dozen,
          Turn on your head sometimes. Useful
          1. sincman
            +4
            1 March 2013 12: 18
            Quote: vladsolo56
            the arguments?

            You are welcome! Business executives in my understanding are people working on its country (due to internal beliefs or any gain)
            Minister of Defense S. Shoigu. (Useful character or not?)
            Minister of Foreign Affairs S. Lavrov. (Defends the interests of Russia at the international level)
            Advisor V.V. Putin S. Glazyev
            Head of the TFR - A. Bastrykin
            D. Rogozin, etc.
            This is one of those who are in sight ...
            Unfortunately, there are not so many of them as liberals, therefore V.V. Putin for support to the people.

            Quote: vladsolo56
            projects for the construction of manufacturing enterprises, for Russia today there should be at least a dozen such,

            Look at sites like this one http://sdelanounas.ru - you'll be in the know.
      2. DYMITRY
        +3
        1 March 2013 12: 06
        Quote: vladsolo56

        Kvachkov also organized 13 planers

        What did he organize? At least one real thing ???? The only mistake of the authorities in the Kvachkov case is that he was given a term. Created a banner for the "patriots" If he interfered, it was necessary to clean up quietly. If he really was preparing a coup, then all the more so to organize an accident so that others would be discouraged !!! Enough fucking revolutions in our history !!! So many people of the revolution were given that Hitler nervously smokes in the corner !!! I believe that it is necessary to smear the forehead with brilliant green only for calls for revolution.
        1. sincman
          +1
          1 March 2013 12: 24
          Quote: DYMITRY
          The only mistake of the authorities in the Kvachkov case is that he was given a term.

          This is not a mistake, but the deliberate action of the liberal part of the government. And the reasons I described a little higher.
          Quote: DYMITRY
          Created a banner for the "patriots" If he interfered, it was necessary to clean up quietly. If he really was preparing a coup, then all the more so to organize an accident so that others would be discouraged !!!

          This once again confirms my arguments. The bull needed to show a red rag so that he began to stomp everyone.
    5. DeerIvanovich
      +1
      1 March 2013 22: 23
      you speak the truth, the picture according to the comments correctly described
  15. optimist
    -1
    1 March 2013 10: 34
    The author is partly right. But only partly ... The fact is that the authorities "shoot" any really opposing associations even at "distant approaches". And it breeds all sorts of "Kurginyanov", sort of priests Gapons, who, apart from hysteria, do nothing else. Or the "pocket" Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which mumbles something indistinctly about "Swedish socialism with a human face" and gobbles up the people's money. A whole structure of such pseudo-patriots-spankers has been created so that the cattle "let off steam" from time to time. There is a specific article in the Criminal Code for the violent change of the existing "constitutional order". If you wish, you can "pack" anyone under it :( condolences to Kvachkov). So empty air shaking, "innocent Serdyukovs", performances of VVP on TV and our comments on similar sites will continue. Until either the barrel of oil falls below $ 50, or the external adversary does not climb.
    1. +4
      1 March 2013 12: 28
      Quote: optimist
      There is a specific article in the Criminal Code for the violent change of the existing "constitutional order".

      So you need to think carefully about how to change the existing system non-violently. Only for this, all patriots need to understand each other in the first place, and what kind of system do they actually want? And how to achieve this peacefully? hi
      1. optimist
        -2
        1 March 2013 13: 46
        In this situation, it is about the same as curing a cancer tumor using an iodine network on the skin over a sore spot. Learn the history, dear forum users. Or read Krylov’s grandfather.
        1. 0
          1 March 2013 15: 36
          Quote: optimist
          the same as curing a cancer tumor using an iodine grid on the skin over a sore spot

          Well, ooh! There are also surgeons "healers" who remove these same tumors without surgical instruments, without blood! So there is someone to learn from! laughing
  16. +5
    1 March 2013 10: 48
    Cook the stools :))
    Speech, by and large, in the article on the lack of self-organization in the sovereign audience of Russian society. But, a person unites into a tribe, clan, union, etc., when he does not have enough personal energy to change living conditions, in general - to survive. A person voluntarily puts his personal energy into the summed up of a union, tribe, organization, etc., and thus shifts the macro situation to his advantage.
    And if Russian patriots do not want to unite in any structure of society, then they have enough of their personal energy to solve all their problems. So the world of Russia and its future do not seem completely hopeless to them. Type: yes .., crap, but not really!
    Let us take the polar audience — liberals, therefore, of our own. They are just a lot better organized precisely because of the absolutely crappy prospects for Russia's liberalization that they see. They gained everything in their lives thanks to the liberalism of the 90s, and in reality they can lose everything in the event of a strong adjustment of the economic course.
    Therefore, there are disproportionately many of them in the media space, relative to their physical quantity.
  17. aleks71
    +2
    1 March 2013 10: 53
    what does the author mean by the word support? I understand that some organizations of patriotic people ... but guys, should I drop everything and go join somewhere and hang out at rallies and conduct some kind of polls? Listen, who will work? As I understand it: he went, voted, therefore supported .... Or every day he needs to hear: Russia, you are for me ???! Yeah, we are for you, dear and beloved GDP !!!!
    I believe that true support is to do their own thing, for the good of the Motherland .. and when needed, defend it with weapons in their hands .. And I’m sure that most of them are in Russia. This is OPORA. And who the current government is based on is purely her choice, no more.
    1. +3
      1 March 2013 11: 24
      aleks71
      what does the author mean by the word support? .... he needs to hear every day: Russia, you are for me ???!

      It's not about the number of "approvals" in the air.
      We are talking about conceptual things: ideology, the state socio-economic structure, foreign policy, etc., voiced by different structures of society. That is, we are talking about a qualitative connection: society-power-transformation.
      It's about legitimizing politics.
      1. aleks71
        +2
        1 March 2013 12: 14
        Understood .. well, they said, they even collected signatures .. the authorities considered and did their own thing, in spite of the "feedback" .. That is, I repeat: it relies on what is convenient for her and whose interests it is defending at this moment. communication, yes, you do business and look at what stage of heat the society is in ... but then tell me how to do it and where to turn, so that, for example, you, me, could be heard ...? so that they really heard and listened .. ...
    2. sincman
      +4
      1 March 2013 11: 34
      Quote: aleks71
      I believe that true support is to do their own thing, for the good of the motherland .. and when needed, protect it with weapons in their hands.

      Unfortunately, the circumstances are not in our favor! In our time, big states are destroying not armies with weapons, but traitors with diplomats in their hands. So, it may not come to the fight with weapons in hand. No one calls to quit work, each person only needs at least moral support for figures who are not indifferent to the Motherland and an understanding of the processes that are taking place in modern politics and geopolitics. And now one can only observe among caring people the story from Krylov's fable "Swan, Cancer and Pike"
  18. 0
    1 March 2013 11: 26
    Sergey Ervandovich Kurginyan - not a real one, but an agent
    ___________________________________
    What kind of "agent" is he? Of course not. He is a good example, testifying to the presence of another faction of "patriots". Rather, zealots, clinging to patriotism, which in my understanding is a willingness to fight for their people and country, and only then figure out who is right and who is wrong.
    The faction of "flexible patriots", along with the designated "liquid" and "gaseous", has the right to life. "Flexible" - they are always in sight, in the very thick of events, they seem to angrily criticize the authorities and, at the same time, with a tear in their eyes, they call from the stands vote for her own dear.
    And they also, without a shadow of a doubt, promote their closest relatives to leading positions in public associations that can really kick up against the imposition of "global practice" in the field of juvenile justice.
    Here is such a squiggle with these ...
    By the way, there are also a lot of "liquid" among the liberals ... including those for reprisals.
  19. +2
    1 March 2013 11: 47
    You can start by creating a party in its virtual form, on the Internet. To begin with, take the “VO” website as a basis, with a prevailing, in its majority opinion of patriotic-minded people. It is the Internet that should be the beginning of a new organization, the reason is simple, we ordinary people first of all need to work, to learn, to raise children, in general, a lot of things. And the Internet allows, with saving time and distance, making us closer and more solid.
    Steps:
    1. Creation of a temporary initiative group. Joint discussion and development of goals, party charter, internal rules and organizational structure. (all comers).
    2. Out of anonymity, everyone involved in the process should be responsible for their actions. We need to create our own internal party personnel department. In such a case, any REAL specialists are important, everyone needs to know who is who.
    3. Creating your own website and registering a public organization.
    4. Organization of small and large branches, wherever possible. Appointment of those responsible for organizational activities.
    5. Attracting people It is important from all social levels.
    6. Nominations of party people to elected posts.
    7. The development of actions to influence those or other processes.
    At the heart of:
    First: The main result of actions is improving the lives of people and the country, PROTECTING THE INTERESTS OF PEOPLE AND THE STATE by influencing, including the highest authority, at any level, from problems on the streets to problems in space. It should not be the goal of achievement of any posts, this is secondary.
    Second: EQUALITY, social status is not important, and the amounts of money and mind are all equal before everyone. Third: Any decisions made both within the organization and outside it in the case of direct access to power should be made only by COLLECTIVE direct VOTING (without ballot boxes, papers, calculations and other paraphernalia). THE VOICE OF ONE PERSON Nothing TAKEN TO BE CONSIDERED AS SUCH A DECISION OF THE MOST, WHICH HAS GOT AT LEAST 75% OF VOTES.
    Fourth: All actions must be voluntary and peaceful. No force or other coercive form, confrontation or protest with opponents of other parties, or power, i.e. under the existing law. Refusal of dialogue is always a loss and recognition of powerlessness.
    The process is long and difficult ...
    1. sincman
      +2
      1 March 2013 11: 55
      Quote: SPACE
      You can start by creating a party in its virtual form, on the Internet. To begin with, take the “VO” website as a basis, with a prevailing, in its majority opinion of patriotic-minded people. It is the Internet that should be the beginning of a new organization, the reason is simple, we ordinary people first of all need to work, to learn, to raise children, in general, a lot of things. And the Internet allows, with saving time and distance, making us closer and more solid.

      This is already a normal concrete conversation! And not blah blah blah ...
      I support and is ready to join!
      1. DeerIvanovich
        0
        1 March 2013 22: 40
        sincman, people like you should not just support and be ready to join, but actively seek out like-minded people and have a specific conversation with them, then blah blah blah most of the community on this site is not capable. alas, but this is a fact :(

        if at least a small cohort of active like-minded people were found, then it could organize both the topwar community and go beyond it.
        but I'm afraid you too will not decide on the role of activist and organizer ...
        are there any among us?
    2. Georges14
      +2
      1 March 2013 12: 03
      Such an organization will most likely turn into endless graters on the forum. It is necessary to act in real life, and not in virtual. In the same NE there are a couple of hundred people who do nothing more than srach on the forum for any reason. But most of them are busy with real affairs - pickets, collecting signatures, various promotions, photo exhibitions, newspaper distribution, analytics, special work on the Internet, etc. Therefore, there is a result.
      1. 0
        1 March 2013 15: 44
        Georges14 Such an organization will most likely turn into endless floats on the forum "We must act in real life, not in virtual ...
        For real life, like-minded people must first be found. first you need to think, speak, and only then do ... is it really the other way around?
    3. +2
      1 March 2013 12: 43
      SPACE
      You can start by creating a party in its virtual form, on the Internet ...

      Do you think in Russia recently there were no parties that would call themselves patriotic or sovereign? :)) All this was. And all this ran out of steam, not gaining three percent of the vote.
      Do you know why?
      Because you need to start not with slogans that translate the views of individual groups of people, but with a vision of a holistic ideology of the state. Ideologies that fit in with the economy, government, fit into the current global alignment and promise us a future.
      And all this should be based on analytics. Can you imagine what a Lump is?
      And you finally suggest starting with a bureaucracy fellow
      Charter .., certificates .., website .., sponsors.
      1. +2
        1 March 2013 15: 32
        Yes, there are a lot of all kinds of patriotic parties, maybe even more than the patriots themselves, especially during cockroach races. I see in these parties and in others, one and the same thing, to get to power and money, they are created for this. And how to get to the top do not care for the people, and often the party. The party must not be created for the next election and not to crawl somewhere, but for centuries and for the affairs of today and tomorrow, they are created not in a year or two. “They scored 3% thought it was not a success and went home,” with this approach, nothing will come of it. You know, one in the field is not a warrior. But even 100 or even 1000 people of different professions and united by common ideas can do a lot: For example, to control the administrative leadership from villages to cities, monitor their decision and monitor the correct implementation of laws and budget expenditures ... A lot of things can be done really and even without these, protest walks with stupid posters are pointless. Here we need different people, but definitely not loners, techies, journalists and the military, lawyers and housewives and acting and inactive, all who care about their own country, who are not a coward and not a couch potato and who can, who will not demand bonus salaries and promotions . In addition to their basic work, they will simply be engaged in public affairs free of charge due to their employment. And so that everyone knows that he is not alone and if support is required, thousands will come to him, not spontaneously, but consciously. This is the team, the party, not a brigade, not a clan, not a diaspora, not family ties, but much stronger. Then the results will appear, then people will believe and reach out.
        And we’ll deal with analytics and bureaucracy is not the point ...
        1. 0
          1 March 2013 16: 40
          SPACE,
          ... because even 100 or even 1000 people of different professions and united by common ideascan do a lot:

          in addition to the main work, they will be engaged in public affairs free of charge due to their employment.


          That's it. IDEAS!
          Please note that in the material Putin himself came to the All-Russian Parental Assembly collected by the “Essence of Time”. Kurginyan can be treated differently. But, you can’t take away the main thing from him:
          - he is sincere in his views, he honestly supports the country;
          - he has an integral concept of the state's exit from the "swamp" into the strategic space.
          When there is a concept, the algorithm of actions is clear. What to do, what is important, in what sequence ...
          I do not criticize you out of harm :))
          I do not see the pivot in your proposed future, albeit potentially useful for society, future affairs and events.
          It looks like "Timurovschina".

          Well, the second.
          Here people are mostly adults. Where tell an adult to find free time?
  20. dmb
    +1
    1 March 2013 12: 04
    "Whoever dines on a girl dances her." Actually, "However," it would be a stretch to call a patriotic site. An example of this is today's article. Mr. Nosikov reproaches the patriotic opposition for unwillingness to cooperate with the authorities. You might think that the authorities are showing such a desire. I'm not talking about any "round tables" at which our wise leader utters banal truths about social justice, but about his actions, which do not smell of this justice. And cooperation that does not provide for mutual relations is not cooperation at all, but servility. And it does not at all consist in the issuance of state money to the leadership of the patriots. Zyuganov and K regularly receive them in the form of state. Party subsidies, but what kind of patriots they are. Although their ideas are sound, and turn the same Putin to the communists for support, he (naturally, if he makes decisions in the interests of the majority and against the interests of big capital) will be supported not by Churov's 60%, but by the real 90% of our society. That's just not going to turn., Because his inner circle and he himself are included in the remaining 10%.
  21. 0
    1 March 2013 12: 05
    may be a little off topic, but generally reflects the attitude of modern Russian authorities to their people
    "Dialogue with the authorities.
    Dissenters: "Twice a week, on Tuesdays and Fridays, me and everyone
    my friends and acquaintances are raped in the ass with a cutter from a mop. This is not for us.
    I like it and we protest against the cutting in the pope! "
    Power: "We are ready for a constructive dialogue, offer an alternative
    Tuesday or Friday, we'll look at all your options! "
    Dissenters: "We say: let's cancel the mop altogether!"
    Power: "The opposition is not constructive, it is only against, but
    does not offer any "FOR", we hear that it is only necessary to destroy, and not
    we hear no suggestions - what should be introduced in the ass instead of the handle
    mops ".
    It may sound a little rude, but on the whole it probably is, and not to be confused with the white tape, if it’s something that they’ll dump the beloved west and we’ll build and live here ...
  22. +1
    1 March 2013 12: 06
    But the homeland needs those who want something to depend on them. (end of quote)

    But I don’t understand, the author is joking with these words, or he confuses the concepts of Homeland and the oligarchic-bureaucratic state.
  23. +1
    1 March 2013 12: 27
    This is because some apricots are in the Kremlin, others are in prison or abroad, 1% has everything, and the rest 99%, who are people, are banally trying to survive and at the same time not stop loving the Motherland.
  24. +2
    1 March 2013 12: 50
    In Russia, patriots must be listened to regardless of the state of aggregation. Because when they get bored of what is happening, they put power (and the country) in cancer with the help of Russian rebellion, as the classic said - merciless and bloody.
    It’s just that too much energy accumulates in them during their stay in liquid and gaseous, when they are crap on their heads. And unlike the liberals, if they unite, then not for a walk along the swamp, but to change something radically. The liberal intellectual cannot understand this, because the manifestation of his vigorous activity is the sprinkling of impossible plans in the same insor, etc. Moreover, they pay him for it.
    There is no reason for a particular person to write dumb pieces of paper (and even for free). He does not consider this an activity. It also does not consider Khomyachkov parties and public councils to be a structure.
    Russian patriot endures for a long time. Harnesses for a long time. But then it goes fast.
  25. zmey
    +1
    1 March 2013 13: 25
    As the classic said back in the century before last, "Russia will not be destroyed by the socialists (there were no communists at that time) or the fascists, but by the ill-fated liberals (then there were no democrats yet)!"
    What "patriots" or "liberals" are YOU all talking about ???
    WHAT OR ABOUT WHOM ???
    In a country where elections are considered to have come (legitimate) if at least 25% of the population voted in the country, and the remaining 75% is who? These are people who do not NEED these SUCH choices i.e. they don’t see the point of at least choosing someone because It's pointless!!! And the point is not even the possible rigging of the election results, but the fact that there is no one to choose from, the same eggs, b .. look - side view !!!
    At the suggestion of the "authorities", all the "people's" elected representatives - the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, United Russia and others, with great relief and joy, accepted the changes in the legislation, i.e. the column "against all" was removed and "party lists" were adopted.
    Those. at the "elections" there is no choice - we vote not for a specific person, but for one party or another (party lists), and we vote for someone we love. there is no column "against all". As a voter exercising his right to choose ("choose and be elected"), I do not like these candidates at all. I doubt that these candidates will care about the people (me) and do everything for the good of the people who elected him (the candidate) !!!! that's why about 75% of the population do not go to the "Choice".
    Where are the real cases for the same corruption? Well, someone was put in prison, and the planted person returned the stolen, laundered "loot" to the treasury, and did he compensate the damage from his "activity"? and no one will tell you this, no "power" or "liberal democrats", no "patriots", no one will answer you. Because they are afraid that they will also be asked severely and evilly from them, and they will not "sit", but stand near the wall with their hands up and answer unpleasant questions !!! such a development of events, they are scared to madness, both "power" and "opposition" in the person of the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party, "liberals", "patriots" and others of all colors and stripes !!!!
    Did anyone hear that a State Duma deputy would refuse his salary or bonus in favor of an orphanage or cancer hospital there ??? No, no one heard ???
    Or after the adoption of the law "Dima Yakovlev" has anyone heard that a State Duma deputy would really help the orphanage ??? Or did our president, together with the head of government, really help orphans or adopted someone ??? No, haven't you?
    I have not heard and it has not been widely covered !!! Have "them" that there is no dough or p .. to make it much easier !!! That the cry was thrown and that's it? let the poor people help their own poor orphans? and our "people's choices" will continue to "play smart" and cut the people's loot, and sell the "national property" - oil and gas to the "damned capitalists" who only float in the US and move rockets with bases closer to the borders !!!! !! ???????
    Neither "power" nor "opposition" will allow the "patriots" to organize themselves and at least somehow influence the processes taking place inside the country. Here comrade rightly said - "they will shoot on long approaches" !!!!
    Until the "power" begins to really cleanse itself of corruption and disregard for its people on its own, only "liberals, democrats, tolerasts" will help this "power".

    Russian revolt is senseless and merciless! - x..evo will be ALL without exception !!! and some countries may come and .. zdets !!!
    I don’t want it myself, YES ?! (mimino).
  26. Volkhov
    +2
    1 March 2013 13: 36
    The title of the article is absurd - is power really neutral, like a sopromat? Power is made abroad with the help of liberals, this is its fulcrum. Why on earth would America's bankers rely on Russian patriots if they, by definition, have other interests?
    Cossacks have the same strange theses - we can be the mainstay of power ... yes, but the other, this one was founded by Trotsky and the policy of decossackization - why should Gaidar's grandson go against his grandfather? He did not go - both in the 18 and in the 90s the support was on the Chechens, now the Kadyrovites, a group of Chechen police officers (about a platoon) rush around Moscow with the Stechkin, there are a lot of incidents, even with the minibus driver, but nothing changes because who needs someone to do the dirty work for the "authorities", and in their free time they work for themselves ...
    Liquid and gaseous are those who seeped through the punitive filter, crystallization requires centers and an external factor - for example, the flow of electrons from the center of the Earth or from a comet or from an atomic bomb of third forces - as after the war there was mutual assistance of the war veterans, which lasted until the 70s .
  27. georg737577
    +2
    1 March 2013 13: 39
    I believe that the truth of patriotism is checked only by real deeds. For example, with weapons in hand on the battlefield. The rest is a talking room ... Kitchen patriots (no matter, pro-government or opposition) do not do the weather. It is impossible to cook fried eggs without breaking an egg ... And if you wait for it to break, you will have to wait a long time - the egg will go bad and it will be too late ..
  28. +4
    1 March 2013 13: 46
    Power is a fool, people are well done! laughing
    So it was believed in the thoughts of the people at all times.
    Yes, try to gather the residents of the house for a meeting, to fight a little with the dealers from the housing and communal services, and you will see that you are not doing well. what
    Each person from the people needs to be a little more active in this life, and not only to suffer about himself and discuss disgrace behind a glass of schnapps ...
    Then, you see, and the government will become more patriotic.
  29. zmey
    0
    1 March 2013 14: 20
    Let "vlast" show the people real deeds and actions, prove in the end that it is POWER !!! and the people will reach out to it in every possible way and will contribute their "ratsuhi" through the already created instruments (for example, the "people's chamber").
    And now "power" looks like an impotent man - he really wants to, but cannot! And the people that should support and direct this sluggish "Character" ???
    Example? please!
    Samit APEC Russkiy Island, Olympic Games in Sochi-2014 - screams, screams, crazy desire, "khosh" is already driving his teeth !!! and the exhaust is more than modest !!!! and no one knows where the loot got to? who will answer? and most importantly who will return the pro .. bath loot ????
    Remember the reform in the army and housing and communal services and give examples ???

    Let them show that "vlast" is the people's representatives with an iron will and eggs of steel, and not "political prostitutes" of the liberal tolerant west and not impotent !!!!
    ".... and people, women and slaves followed him ...." "
  30. Urrry
    +4
    1 March 2013 14: 26
    The article is absolutely correct ...
    There are a couple of acquaintances who are terribly dissatisfied with how state administration is carried out in Russia, dissatisfied with the deputies, officials, the police, all the talk is only about this. Tired of listening to the same thing - he asked: well, I don’t like the way officials work - why don’t you go to the civil service yourself? There, there are 10% of vacancies all the time ... Do not like the deputies - did they join at least one party themselves, so that you could even be nominated to the municipality? A lot of explanations why this is unacceptable for them and that "all this is meaningless" ...
    Therefore, it is rightly said: "who wants to do it, who does not want to look for reasons why he should not do it ..."
  31. pa_nik
    +3
    1 March 2013 14: 36
    A little impulsive, but as they say, from the bottom of my heart ... laughing

    First, I really enjoy the discussion. It's nice to read the thoughts of really smart people who take the country's problems as their own. Please do not mistake for "licked" laughing
    2. As noted above, I am really imbued with the knowledge that I lack. Hopefully, at some point, "quantity will begin to turn into quality" (as one well-liked colleague said).
    3. An article on reading minusanul, now I understand that I was mistaken. The article is correct and on the right resource.
    4. If the article is not trolling, then perhaps readers and active participants of this resource are gently pushed to the transition "from a caterpillar to a butterfly", from "gas" to a crystal.
    5. There are already patriotic associations in the country, to which everyone can join, although further life is in a fog. It all depends on how the system "turns" in relation to the one who makes the decision to join and participate.
    6. The system inspires fear (sometimes horror), fetters thoughts with its possible "reactions", which means it is not only aggressive, but also dangerous.
    7. You can make fun of step 6, but this is the TRUTH. And I also do not know how I will behave on a TV program, when "analyzing" the situation being discussed in the country and people on different sides.
    8. Apparently, under all current conditions evolution (economics, society, government, etc., etc.) not possible.
    9. Based on reactions to topwar articles, expressed with an extreme degree of joy, as a rule, regarding the modernization of the military-industrial complex, the buildup of Russia's military power, I assume that those around me agree on point 8 (although they may not agree right now) and, possibly, subconsciously consider the war (both civil and external aggressor) not only possible, but also desirable in the situation created for the country.
    10. Because the civil war and the 37th year are in our genes, preference is given to war with an external enemy, which will make it possible to solve all the problems. Like, "The war will write off everything."
    11. War is not desirable. But, apparently, forced.
    12. Good luck to all of us! hi
  32. +1
    1 March 2013 16: 00
    In addition to liquid and gaseous, there are also ossified.
    It was thanks to them that the REV was lost and, in spite of them, the Second World War was won.
  33. 0
    1 March 2013 16: 20
    The idea of ​​the article is clear.
  34. +2
    1 March 2013 16: 39
    His convictions are that a true patriot should not make any contacts, negotiations and cooperation with the authorities - in order to avoid the loss of independence. How can one cooperate with a government that constantly proves its betrayal nature by constantly following liberals? If the power were patriotic, then it would follow the path of us - patrioto

    This description turns out to be a typical Russian intellectual, while the patriotism of the intelligentsia is quite peculiar. They came to Bolotnaya. And as already said: “Over the past 200 years, no one has done more harm to Russia than the Russian intelligentsia.
  35. Phoenix bird
    0
    1 March 2013 17: 05
    Quote: zmey
    Let them show that "power" is the people's representatives with an iron will and eggs of steel, and not "political prostitutes" of the liberal tolerant west and not impotent !!!! ".... and people, women and slaves followed him ... . ""


    What does the government want and what can it do?
    Why did the current government fail?
    Why is the sacred word "Democracy" in Russian "theft"?
    Why aren’t even officially available state (people's) money used for the people (state), but downloaded officially to foreign accounts?
    Why does a rich and crowded country die that no one has attacked?
    Why are we dying out?
    Why is triumph triumphing, and crime unpunished?


    Take a look at the Kremlin. maybe something will become clear.
  36. 0
    1 March 2013 22: 02
    [quote = BigRiver] I do not see the pivot in your proposed future, albeit potentially useful for society, future affairs and events. [/ quote]
    You are not alone, and this is normal for everything in due time
    quote = BigRiver] he is sincere in his views, he honestly supports the country; - he has a holistic concept of the state's exit from the "swamp" into the strategic space. [/ quote]
    Yes, there is a core here, an alternative in the form of dummy figures, or dried mummies, or puppet democracy. Both of them offer a way out of the swamp, though everyone has different ways out. And both of them, by the way, need one thing, the voice of the people which they, in general, do not need.
    [quote = BigRiver] It looks like "Timurovshchina". [/ quote]
    You correctly noticed, absolutely right.
    [quote = BigRiver] Here people are mostly adults. Where tell an adult to find free time? [/ Quote]
    Indeed, let's leave everything as is, that will be ...

    Z.Y. In the current conditions, it seems that mostly the shit comes up from which the stools are molded, they are scorned, BUT I think there are all the same standing people, here they are honored and respected ...
  37. stranik72
    +2
    1 March 2013 22: 48
    "ZY In the current conditions, apparently, it is mostly shit from which stools are molded to the top ..."
    It is called differently: Parkinson's Law (which has nothing to do with the disease that bears the same name) says that the larger a business becomes, the more often it hires incapable and highly paid employees. Why? Simply because the people already working on it want to avoid competition. The best way to avoid facing dangerous opponents is to hire incompetent workers. The best way to lull them to take the initiative is to overpay. In this way, the leading castes provide themselves with unshakable confidence in their position. According to the same law, on the contrary, everyone who is full of ideas, original solutions or a desire to improve the work of the enterprise is systematically fired. Thus, the paradox of our time is that the larger the enterprise, the longer it has been in the market, the more vigorously it discards dynamic low-paid personnel, replacing them with inert personnel with prohibitively high salaries. And all this is for the peace of mind of the company staff. In our case, you can leave the word "firms", but in quotation marks, meaning the country's leadership. (from)

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