Results of the extended meeting of the Defense Ministry board: to grind so to grind ...

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In the middle of the week, an extended meeting of the board of the main military department of the country took place with the participation of the Supreme Commander - President Vladimir Putin. The board summed up the reformation of the Russian Armed Forces and outlined the priorities for further changes to the Russian army.

During the meeting, various issues were raised that are related to the acquisition of a new look by the Russian army. As it turned out, the Supreme Commander and the general secretary of the Ministry of Defense have answers to a whole series of questions, but the certainty of these answers in certain cases gives rise to certain doubts. These, let us say, dubious theses include the thesis of Vladimir Putin that in order to bring the army to a fundamentally new level, it should take three to five years - and not a year more. Three to five years - in fact, the term is more than short, which shows that it is simply inadmissible to pull the reformation rubber on. However, the brevity of this term causes certain concerns, which can be characterized by the following phrase: will they have time? ..

Moreover, even those people who stand behind the reformist machine of the Russian army today, it seems, they themselves cannot say for sure, but what exactly is the transition of the Russian army to a new qualitative level? If this quality level lies in the possibility of the Armed Forces to repel any modern threat to the safety of the citizens of the country, then this is one thing, and if the new quality level is “properly verified” paper reports on increasing the combat capability of the army and modernizing all spheres of its activities, then this another.

Obviously, any self-respecting person and the Russian army as a whole, a person involved in military reform, understands that the time periods that Vladimir Putin sets for the Ministry of Defense are too small to realize the idea of ​​a total improvement in the combat capability of army units. Although even tight deadlines are not the main problem at all - in four years the Third Reich was defeated ... Fears lie in the other.

If, at the time of this, the announcement of a compressed time frame for the fulfillment of the archival task set by the head of state led to the beginning of large-scale work and to the fact that subordinates and subordinates of subordinates began to literally dig the ground with a “hoof” in order to meet the deadline and (otherwise you will be jailed for sabotage or wrecking), then today the times are completely different. And “other times” give rise to those before whom tasks are set, roll their eyes and dream: “perhaps the very three to five years will pass, and the Supreme himself will forget about his demands”. And yet, oddly enough, dreams of this nature often come true ...

I would like to sincerely count on the fact that this time such dreams did not come true, and already in 2016-2018 years, Vladimir Putin strongly asked from all those who are directly responsible for the reformation procedures. It is tough - it will not just say with poorly concealed anger “you work well ...” in case of failure to meet deadlines and cost increases in sales, but also help to send responsible, or rather irresponsible, people to bed. Although what we are talking about here: we have all the questions on the level of “send - not send on the bench” are the sole responsibility of the third branch of government - the branch of the judiciary ...

In general, the timeframe for the transformation of the Russian army into a fully modernized version, voiced by Vladimir Putin, has been announced, which means that it’s time to roll up our sleeves to begin titanic work. More precisely, to the continuation of the work that was started before Sergei Shoigu came to the post of Minister of Defense. But after all, that “pre-shyohigovskuyu” work seems to be impossible to continue, because it was under the past leadership of the military ministry that the most important anti-modernization blunders were allowed. Among such blunders are the excessive reduction of military higher educational institutions, the complete destruction of such a military unit as warrant officers and warrant officers, the disbanding of several thousand military camps, and, most importantly, financial crimes whose perpetrators for some reason cannot be held accountable for some reason. .

It would seem that it is necessary to move on to a sensible policy in terms of bringing the Russian army to a new qualitative level. The president, in his speech, seems to mention this: “not all the decisions taken on reforming the Armed Forces justified themselves”. However, at the same time, he makes a very strange addition: “... there should be no constant shuddering, endless revisions of earlier decisions, especially since we are now entering the stage when it is necessary to finely grind all the mechanisms of the war machine”.

This addition makes it possible to judge that, in principle, the reform itself has already been carried out, and to get a truly combat-ready and efficient army, all that remains is to be polished ... Well, if the Supreme Commander calls what remains to be done before the Russian army’s withdrawal to a new level of quality, fine polishing, then ... For God's sake, of course ... You can even call it fine tuning or control smoothing, the main thing is that the end result is digestible. But only for the time being it all resembles a case from a bearded anecdote, when “after assembly the product needed to be modified by a file”.

And “modifying with a file” is what ... As such “refinement”, the Ministry of Defense plans to start rebuilding several hundreds of actually closed military camps, increasing the number of cadets enrolled in military universities (up to 15 thousand people), partially restoring the institute of midshipmen and ensigns, inventory of military equipment, bringing the volume of the fulfillment of the defense order to 100%.

After the new terms voiced by Vladimir Putin to bring the Russian army into effective form, the Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov spoke, who simply and the military stated that if the Supreme Commander-in-Chief had set the task, then we (the Ministry of Defense) will fully implement this task. Judging by the words of General Gerasimov, there are already plans.
True, while the current leadership of the Ministry of Defense will have to work in the fine-tuning mode. Why? Yes, because the same Sergei Shoigu obviously would like to reconsider many of the “undertakings” of his predecessor in the near future, and many have already revised, but after Vladimir Putin’s words about the “constant shyness”, Shoigu clearly does not fully understand how to reform him further . Indeed, on the one hand, there are obviously counterproductive decisions in a number of areas (from purchasing large quantities of military equipment to total reductions of personnel) made by the previous head of the ministry, and on the other hand, the installation of the Supreme Commander, according to which everything is already, like reformed - it remains only to walk on the grinding machine. You must admit that the situation for Shoigu is more than complicated.

But Shoigu and Gerasimov, as expected, the military, the orders are not discussed, and therefore: it is said - to grind, which means they will grind. What kind of labeling sanding paper will be applied? - this is another question.

For now, one thing is clear: there will be no “epic” revisions in terms of military reform. In particular, no one is going to cancel outsourcing in the army (from speeches for all the same collegiums) - once, there will not be any changes with the conscription service either - two, there will be no changes in terms of the quantitative set of contract servicemen - three. And if the first two cases for a certain circle of military personnel may look quite benign, then here’s the case presented at number three can hardly be called benign for the Ministry of Defense itself. After all, the snag is that even after a multiple increase in the monetary allowance for those servicemen who serve under the contract, there is no significant influx of people who want to sign a contract. What is the reason? It can be assumed that the majority of persons who sign a contract with the Ministry of Defense, finding themselves in the army, remain disappointed with what they were offered in the mode of advertising and with what they actually have to face. One of the main problems is incompleteness, which leads to the fact that contract servicemen today have to serve, as they say, for themselves and for that guy ... And “that guy” doesn’t want to join the ranks of the Russian army in its contract cluster. This often leads to another situation when the contractor begins to think about the expediency of his decision.

Summing up, once again I would like to wish the leadership of the Ministry of Defense productive zeal and success based on it. I would also like to wish that the thoughts about the quality and effectiveness of the Russian army should be translated into reality, and not remain at the level of thoughts and plans three and five and fifteen years later.
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  1. Skiff
    +28
    1 March 2013 09: 17
    It was also clear that Putin, in the light of the events taking place in the army and navy, was in a rather ambiguous position. Recognize that the reforms of Serdyukov-Makarov were hardly finalized by the Armed Forces? Then you need to prepare in advance the answer to the question obvious to any cook: “And where did you look, Comrade Supreme Commander? If an unprecedented and unpunished pogrom in the defense of Russia took place with your approval, then Serdyukov is not at all extreme. And if this unpleasant-looking subject drove you by the nose for five years - you are unsuitable for the post of commander in chief, Vladimir Vladimirovich. “How unsuitable are the heads of the special services and a host of controlling authorities, who were obliged to report to you on a monstrous discord in a timely manner.”

    http://warfiles.ru/show-25132-serdyukov-izbezhal-zolotogo-secheniya.html
    1. +7
      1 March 2013 10: 15
      Skiff,
      I read and thought yesterday that this is a direct and honest question.
      Today's article is smoothed out somehow.
      1. -1
        1 March 2013 13: 04
        Putin in the photo looks at Shoigu in the eyes of a competitor in the upcoming presidential election .......... do not you think?
        1. +1
          1 March 2013 20: 35
          Rather as a receiver, not as a competitor. They are both "United Russia", and a raven will not peck out a crow's eyes.
          1. yak69
            +1
            2 March 2013 02: 09
            If Shoigu, in his position of the Ministry of Defense, shows adherence to principles and is consistent regardless of any shouts from the Kremlin, he will become Putin's most serious competitor in the presidential elections. Now, MO for Shoigu is a "springboard" to the very top of Russian power. If he can put the Armed Forces in order, he will receive unprecedented popular support.
            And then, he will have to live very carefully so as not to get hit by a "accidentally" fired (from something) shell at some inspection.
            1. -2
              2 March 2013 10: 06
              Calm down and do not share the skin of an unbroken bear, Putin will have no competitors in the upcoming presidential election
              1. +1
                3 March 2013 21: 21
                "Not killed" is written together
                1. -2
                  3 March 2013 22: 17
                  Quote: Wiruz
                  "Not killed" is written together

                  This is, I apologize, the language in which the particle "not" is written together with the verb? Or is this a joke?
                  1. +1
                    4 March 2013 12: 58
                    In Russian, Michael, I'm sorry. Only not with verbs (in this case), but with participles, and in the case when the formed word has the opposite meaning to the generatrix. Do not believe me - look on the Internet.
                    1. 0
                      4 March 2013 17: 36
                      Quote: Wiruz
                      not with verbs (in this case), but with participles


                      A thousand apologies, Alexey, just did not see the text. Of course together. Sprinkled ash on my head :)))
                      1. 0
                        4 March 2013 20: 11
                        Errare humanum is Yes
                      2. 0
                        4 March 2013 21: 17
                        Quote: Wiruz
                        Errare humanum is


                        It’s peculiar ... But I’m practically not forgivable in this context ... feel
          2. -1
            2 March 2013 10: 02
            These are ravens in Kazakhstan, and in Russia we have allies, receivers and BROTHERS !!! soldier
            1. +1
              3 March 2013 21: 24
              What kind of radical patriotism, Comrade Ravens ?!
        2. stanov
          0
          1 March 2013 21: 32
          Just the form of the Ministry of Emergencies suits him more.
          1. 0
            2 March 2013 10: 08
            Shoigu in any form is able to put in any Romberg pose
    2. +8
      1 March 2013 15: 55
      And who was the Minister of Defense before Serdyukov? Where did they plan it?
      That's right - Ivanov. Right - to the successor wink
      Let's not forget that until the decision is made by SAMIM in our country, we, including the president, still butt and butt.
      What, the USSR was destroyed by betrayal, everything was put under control, the dues were paid by money, brains, resources and children, and all this by itself will end?
      This, you know, is like a handshake: we are on the back, the enemy is on top and CONTROLS sad
      And we know SAMBO good
      No time to yell - do it right hi
      1. 0
        1 March 2013 22: 42
        every day in the morning, Vova needs a motivator to watch,
        this is for cyber wars online fans mounted, cooly cool,
        inserts not a whip)))
  2. +7
    1 March 2013 09: 48
    Is this tandem we need? Can a partner change?
    1. +2
      1 March 2013 11: 10
      Quote: Renat
      Can a partner change?

      Which name, then name it, or it’s vague like that.
      1. +1
        1 March 2013 11: 19
        The main military and commander in chief. There are only 2 places.
        1. +1
          1 March 2013 12: 36
          Quote: Renat
          The main military and commander in chief. There are only 2 places.

          There may be two places, but we have only one last territory, at number 2 laughing
          1. 0
            2 March 2013 10: 13
            I’ll pump it up, otherwise I won’t enter your mathematical comments wassat
  3. +4
    1 March 2013 09: 49
    One Shoigu will not move this colossus. Too much is still sitting in the chairs of the bureaucratic riffraff. Although it is impossible to stand still. The main thing is that a law is in effect, according to which a shushera can get a considerable term.
    1. +7
      1 March 2013 10: 16
      erased,
      Shoigu Mahina will not move without the clear support of the Supreme. And then there are just one maneuvers. Politics, politics ....
      1. Kaa
        +1
        1 March 2013 11: 20
        Quote: Ross
        And there are just some maneuvers

        Well, maneuvers can also be effective ... "Lieutenant General Valery Ivanov, by a court decision, was dismissed from the post of chief of staff - first deputy commander of the Aerospace Defense Forces (VKO) in connection with a criminal case on organizing an illegal dump in the Moscow region, RIA Novosti told Friday, a source in the military justice authorities. "The court granted the investigation's petition to remove Lieutenant General Valery Ivanov from the post of chief of staff - first deputy commander of the air defense forces," he said. The agency's interlocutor added that the investigation issued a corresponding petition to the leadership of the VKO Troops. but in the end she was forced to go to court.
        At the end of December 2012, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation announced that former and current high-ranking officials of the Ministry of Defense organized an illegal dump in the Moscow Region, causing environmental damage in the amount of about 30 billion rubles. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, from 2010 to 2011, Ivanov entered into agreements for remediation and restoration work in the military unit in the Solnechnogorsk district. The management of the company received the right to freely use the lands of this military unit and, under the guise of reclamation, organized a warehouse for household waste.
        In June 2012, criminal proceedings were instituted against another general, Colonel-General of the Reserve Yuri Solovyov, also suspected of abuse of authority, which caused serious environmental damage. Over the six years of his tenure as head of the special forces command of the Air Force of the Russian Federation, the landfill area has increased five-fold to 22 hectares. Http://news.rambler.ru/17889069/ And then the leadership of East Kazakhstan region was handed over to reclamators, and then the question - why are the satellites falling?
        1. +1
          1 March 2013 20: 04
          Quote: Kaa
          By a court decision, Lieutenant General Valery Ivanov was removed from the post of chief of staff - the first deputy commander of the Air and Space Defense Forces in connection with a criminal case on the organization of an illegal dump in the Moscow Region,





          Last July’s video, Ivanov just renegotiated the contract,
    2. -1
      2 March 2013 10: 15
      Never mind, will move. In 1937g. JV Stalin moved, and he was much harder
  4. rinzhak
    -2
    1 March 2013 09: 58
    and Shoigu already has marshal’s epaulettes ?!
    1. +2
      1 March 2013 10: 00
      army general
      1. 0
        1 March 2013 11: 05
        Quote: rinzhak
        and Shoigu already has marshal’s epaulettes ?!

        Quote: Ilkhar
        army general

        The army general has hardly four stars!
        And here is one Marshall ...
        1. +2
          1 March 2013 11: 20
          Four stars have been canceled since February 22. The army general is one big star and ears of corn with a star in the middle. And the Marshals - there is already a coat of arms.
        2. Drosselmeyer
          +4
          1 March 2013 11: 33
          Tartary,
          Recently introduced, the army general will now have a marshal's star on uniform. Why, I don’t know.
          1. 0
            1 March 2013 20: 38
            They probably started the reform with a change of shoulder straps) After all, outwardly, the four generals of the stars looked much better. Don't you find?
          2. -1
            2 March 2013 10: 19
            Because there are too many stars in pursuit, for stockings and pantyhose cling laughing
  5. +10
    1 March 2013 10: 03
    "I would like to sincerely hope that this time such dreams are not destined to come true, and already in 2016-2018, Vladimir Putin will harshly ask all those who are directly responsible for the reformation procedures in our country."

    And before "hard" to ask was not at leisure? To penetrate and ask. And most importantly: to get a clear answer. Not to create a preoccupied look, but to really look at the ongoing reforms, because the money was invested not small. And this is still an army, a stronghold and protection of the state.
    And even now it is still possible to ask harshly from the former, and not to imitate "stormy" activity.
    1. +1
      1 March 2013 10: 40
      as it says there, I don’t remember exactly - give me control over the currency and to me up to the lantern who is in power there. Something like this, the meaning conveyed :-) I hope that they will put Glazyev in the Central Bank then we will get rid of the title of the FRS branch. This is, after all, real power, while they hold a small egg in their hands for bells (well, not us but at the top). Let's see this boat ride or not. And then we can reach the order.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +3
        1 March 2013 14: 24
        Quote: vadson
        I hope Glazyev will be put in the Central Bank then we will get rid of the title of the branch of the Federal Reserve.


        With all my RESPECT for Glazyev ... I am wary. that everything will be. as it was .... not Glazyev .. "music" orders, unfortunately wassat +! drinks
        1. 0
          1 March 2013 16: 01
          You're right, pilot!
        2. +1
          2 March 2013 11: 17
          Well, we are now at a point of absolute zero, no matter what the change is, this is only a plus
  6. rinzhak
    0
    1 March 2013 10: 04
    Quote: Ilkhar
    army general

    to be exact, the marshal has a star with a coat of arms, the general has a star framed with ears instead of a coat of arms ...
  7. 0
    1 March 2013 10: 09
    oh how hard it is to move Putin and make this machine work officials with their paperwork.
  8. predator.3
    +10
    1 March 2013 10: 23
    Now the whole country is wondering on daisies about Serdyukov’s fate - will they plant it? Do not plant? The number of billions launched in the wind and stolen in five years in the Armed Forces is amazing and everything is multiplying. ABOUThowever, everyone understands that practically nothing depends on the investigators in the case of the scandalous ex-minister. From thousands of examinations, interrogations, confessions, confrontations and other things - absolutely nothing. And it depends solely on the political decision of one person. And as they say, you know him. That is why they were waiting with such tension on Wednesday for Vladimir Putin at the board of the Ministry of Defense.

    It was also clear that Putin, in the light of the events taking place in the army and navy, was in a rather ambiguous position. Recognize that the reforms of Serdyukov-Makarov were hardly finalized by the Armed Forces? Then you need to prepare in advance the answer to the question obvious to any cook: “And where did you look, Comrade Supreme Commander? If an unprecedented and unpunished pogrom in the defense of Russia took place with your approval, then Serdyukov is not at all extreme. And if this unpleasant-looking subject drove you by the nose for five years - you are unsuitable for the post of commander in chief, Vladimir Vladimirovich. “How unsuitable are the heads of the special services and a host of controlling authorities, who were obliged to report to you on a monstrous discord in a timely manner.”

    Well, somehow Putin needed to get out of the ambiguity on a college board. He turned out. According to news agencies, opening the high general meeting on Wednesday, the President of the Russian Federation said: “Not all the proposed options for the modernization of the Armed Forces justified themselves, but there should not be constant revisions of earlier decisions ... Some questions had to be addressed several times, rejected errors, searched "Golden section" of the improvement of the Armed forces. Today, military adjustment plans may also already have individual adjustments and clarifications. ”

    It seems that after this speech, President Serdyukov can breathe a sigh of relief. While Putin at the head of Russia-Anatoly Eduardovich will not be imprisoned. So, something will be corrected in the building, which was generally rebuilt by the former Minister of Defense, with the inscription “Armed forces of the Russian Federation” on the facade. And they will look for the disgraced reformer another dust-free job.

    http://warfiles.ru/show-25132-serdyukov-izbezhal-zolotogo-secheniya.html
    1. 0
      1 March 2013 10: 42
      The phrase about a claw killed like a howitzer +++++++
  9. 77bor1973
    +1
    1 March 2013 10: 33
    Yesterday on "Parity" I read that some of the brigades are going to be transferred to divisional states, first of all, the Taman and Kantemirovsk divisions.
    1. +1
      1 March 2013 12: 31
      Quote: Kadet_KRAK
      If you do not steal and engage in business with full dedication, everything will turn out and there is nothing to distort about the stretched rubber of reforms.

      The fact of the matter is that you need to somehow stop stealing ... But that's not all! You need to somehow be able to prevent others from stealing! Anyone !! But as? Is it possible? And what do those who serve "do not give completely"? Who doesn't work?
      My dear, if there is no SYSTEM, then all the calls to plow "with full dedication" will forever remain only calls. God forbid to clear up what is plowed up by Serdyukovism in the set time frame. I think so...
  10. Kadet_KRAK
    0
    1 March 2013 10: 37
    The timing is quite real given the growing tensions in northern Africa and attempts to create a hotbed of Wahhabism in Dagestan. If you do not steal and engage in business with full dedication, everything will turn out and there is nothing to distort about the stretched rubber of reforms.
    1. +1
      1 March 2013 11: 24
      Quote: Kadet_KRAK
      If you do not steal and engage in business with full dedication, everything will turn out and there is nothing to distort about the stretched rubber of reforms.


      The fact of the matter is that stealing must be stopped somehow ... But that's not all! Something must be prevented from stealing to others! No one, that is. But as?!
      1. 0
        1 March 2013 16: 14
        What are we all: to steal, not to steal!
        The problem is the delivery of money to the destination wink
        Well there, on airplanes, on engines for them, on communication ... yes a lot of what recourse

        But, most importantly, for the real preparation of the future soldier sad
        This is the foundation of the basics. And her decision is possible. In droves. On time.
        And there already, or: Not a step back! or - take over the world recourse
        As the Motherland orders.
  11. user3970
    +4
    1 March 2013 10: 49
    I totally agree with Skiff. A question for everyone. How long is Putin at the helm? Who appoints the Minister of Defense? To whom does he report? Who sat in the chair of the Minister of Defense? Sergei Ivanov is a former Chekist. Where is he now ? Serdyukov. Who appointed? Whose son-in-law? To whom does Zubkov's father-in-law work? "Mistrals", "Lynx" screwdrivers for what the hell are you bought? Clear . bought Serdyukov, and the Supreme was clapping his ears. Okay. It's a matter of the past. Let's go. But a fresh fact. Kozhin - the head of the Presidential Property Management Department (the president's servant), while in Israel, said that the screwdriver assembly of the Italian Agusta helicopters was starting in Russia. New Defense Minister (I don't want to write with a capital letter) S. Shoigu conducts his weekly meetings in selector mode. Where is the secrecy regime? Special communication? This is not the Ministry of Emergencies! Why show off? Or will only the grave fix the hunchback?
  12. +7
    1 March 2013 11: 00
    The reforming of the Army should not be allowed to be a "shoemaker who makes boots" who has no ear or snout in command of military matters. But if the goal of the collapse of the Army is set, then the place is just for Serdyukov and those like him.
    Remember the words, it’s not to the good of the mentioned Chubais that privatization was conceived not to reform the economy, but to destroy socialism.
    So here, too, the "reform" of the Army was conceived not for its improvement, but for the destruction of the remnants of the socialist Army, the expulsion of officers brought up in the spirit of socialism from it, the closure of military universities that graduated these officers.
    Serdyukov fulfilled this task set by Putin. And now a new task is being set to form an Army corresponding to the new capitalist state. This is where the "polishing" is now needed, which the "Supreme Commander-in-Chief" calls for. To clean up everything and create a new Army that meets the new requirements, an Army standing on the protection of the interests of Russian capitalists from external and internal enemies encroaching on the vast wealth of Russian subsoil resources and the territory that stores them.
    So that everything is logical and consistent.
  13. +3
    1 March 2013 11: 19
    "... already in 2016-2018, Vladimir Putin will harshly ask all those who are directly responsible for the reform procedures in our country."
    You need to ask every day, not every 4-5 years. By that time. perhaps there will be no one to ask and no one to ask! It is not at all difficult to cancel footcloths, belts, chest straps, etc., especially since everyone knows it well. But to refuse the Ministry of Defense for financial control over the manufacture of "Products" would be a big mistake. The military representatives had their own staff of economists and could easily make a calculation for any type of work. Thus, only they and no one else could curb the unreasonable increase in product costs. They could compare prices for materials and components directly from manufacturers, bypassing intermediaries and so on. It is a pity that the new minister, correcting the mistakes of the previous one, in an Emcheesian way, is taking new and no less ruinous steps. Correct if I'm wrong.
    1. +3
      1 March 2013 11: 34
      Will it work as with national projects? The program was designed for 20 years. At the time of the announcement, the creators of the bill earned good points. Who will remember this at the end of the program? If they remember, then there will be no one to ask. Perhaps no one.
  14. zmey
    +2
    1 March 2013 11: 40
    For the final grinding, first you need to clean the surface of rust (corruption with the obligatory confiscation), and then carefully switch from large to small skins, with the obligatory cleaning of all dark and hard to reach places, so as not to damage such a large and fragile product !!!
    Outsourcing in the army is utter nonsense and a ticking of finance in no where !!!
    Private companies can only be allowed to clean territories (from garbage, various rubbish, scrap metal) and food, service in sanatoriums, the supply of OMTS (which our defense industry does not release) naturally under sensitive and gentle control, everything else should be done by the army and the military industrial complex.
    1. Atlon
      +3
      1 March 2013 12: 01
      Quote: zmey
      Outsourcing in the army is utter nonsense and a ticking of finance in no where !!!

      Recent large-scale exercises, this has shown ... Civilians are unable to service either equipment or soldiers in the field! And in general, civilians are not obliged to endure "all the hardships and hardships", so there is nothing to blame them for ... I think we need to return self-service to the army!
    2. 0
      1 March 2013 16: 21
      Quote: zmey
      first you need to clean the surface of rust (corruption

      Quote: zmey
      switch from large to small skins, with mandatory stripping

      WELL! Well! So outsourcing is not even a skin, but a velvet!
      Well, let's get to her wink
      I hope angry
  15. Atlon
    +1
    1 March 2013 11: 45
    Calm down, don't panic! The more the positions of the GDP are strengthened, and they are strengthened, whoever says what! The country has changed a lot over the past 10 years, and 10 years, in historical terms, is not even a period, but a moment! He who has eyes will himself see the grandiose, positive changes in the country! And these changes are due to Putin. And it is precisely from the standpoint of these changes, and of its own merits, that the GDP will harder to rule the country and demand that its decisions be implemented. 10 years ago, it was just unthinkable. Stalin, who also did not immediately become the "father of peoples", had to fight both with his "comrades-in-arms" and with the fifth column. There are historical parallels. As for the notorious and "beloved" Serdyukov, I think that over time, we will understand what is the matter. I have repeatedly written that Putin's actions are not always clear from the point of view of philistine logic. But the layman has one problem: he wants to make decisions based on emotions and often not knowing the real balance of power, momentary political realities, and strategic ideas. And more than once the understanding of certain (seemingly illogical) decisions came much later. When emotions subsided long ago, and the result finally became tangible.
  16. rinzhak
    +3
    1 March 2013 11: 46
    Quote: Drosselmeyer
    Recently introduced, the army general will now have a marshal's star on uniform. Why, I don’t know.

    four stars look cool. One big star is aging her master ...
  17. +3
    1 March 2013 12: 12
    These, let’s say, dubious theses include the thesis of Vladimir Putin that three to five years should be spent to bring an army to a fundamentally new level - and not a year more.


    In my opinion, Mr. Putin has lost his sense of reality ... and what his former subordinate did ... What did he not pay attention to business and deadlines before ...?
    1. 0
      1 March 2013 16: 23
      Maybe I didn’t know about the date of the attack?
  18. +3
    1 March 2013 12: 20
    Here I liked one curtsey in favor of the Supreme - "the timing is quite real, taking into account ..." and further in the text. I see that some do not adequately assess the scale of the destruction of the Armed Forces, carried out over 5 years. And they are huge - and this is not only what is listed here. Again yesterday I signed to the TLG (unclassified) of the Commander of the Northern Fleet that "due to the LACK of funding, emergency floating berths will not be repaired, fight for unsinkability with l / s forces." What has changed, brothers? I have been hearing the phrase about the lack of funding for 15 years, of which 10 are already on the gadget, but in the system. Another admin. I remember Kasatonov joking: "A fool will do it with money, but you will do it without money!" ; “Slavyanka” completely disgraced itself (in our SF, I don’t know about others), no money, no opportunities - but, anyway - “Slavyanka”! Etc. It is clear that ships, tanks, planes are needed (including well repaired ones), but what about the infrastructure? Where without it, and it is destroyed ... I do not know what can be done there in these terms? I would have to rake out what is plowed up ... And someone has to answer, otherwise - no faith. And you all know who!
    1. 0
      1 March 2013 16: 27
      proceed with the restoration of several hundred virtually closed military camps - from the article.
      Wait and see what
  19. +3
    1 March 2013 12: 26
    If they introduce the death penalty for the abduction of nat. budget and will not pay attention to nepotism and regalia, will be in time on time.
  20. makarich26
    +1
    1 March 2013 12: 37
    It is said - to grind, then they will grind.
    They say they will further ruin the homeland and sell it - they will sell it.
    They ordered - we carry out the real military.
  21. +5
    1 March 2013 13: 19
    [Quote]Indeed, the snag so far lies in the fact that even after a multiple increase in monetary allowance for those servicemen who serve under the contract, there is still no impressive influx of people wishing to sign the contract. What is the reason for this? [/ Quote]
    And this is connected, dear author, with the fact that it was NOT a FAST increase in money allowance. This is a FALSE of pure water, as well as the size of the monetary allowance of the lieutenant. Which lieutenant? Airborne Forces? Air force? Signalman? Submariner? Again the average hospital temperature! But the actual increase in salaries is simply the monetization of those benefits that were in-kind. Count if you do not believe.
    I think that Putin is trying to keep a good face ... What he has tricked Serdyukov (whom the Guarantor still takes care of) cannot be straightened out in three, five, or ten years. For he broke the system. Let it be imperfect, weakened by the nineties, but a system that has been built for decades. And we again succeed: at-two! And most importantly - SERDYUKOV remained UNPUNISHED ..
    1. 0
      1 March 2013 16: 30
      THE SYSTEM was unable to defend the homeland - the USSR.
      We have one Russia. We will think what
      1. 0
        4 March 2013 09: 30
        THE SYSTEM was unable to defend the homeland - the USSR.

        Under "system" I meant a set of basic principles for building the Armed Forces of the state. And the Army is not fighting internal enemies. This is the prerogative of the POLICE.
        1. 0
          4 March 2013 09: 56
          Quote: Shkodnik65
          And the Army is not fighting internal enemies.


          Here I am about the same. Nevertheless, the Army was drawn into internal political clashes, on the one hand, and de facto found itself in a situation of impossibility to fulfill the oath, on the other hand.
          Perhaps the principles of building the Armed Forces of the state still required adjustment.
    2. Atlon
      -3
      1 March 2013 17: 23
      Quote: Shkodnik65
      And most importantly - SERDYUKOV remained UNPUNISHED ..

      Has there already been a trial? Was he acquitted? Have the charges been dropped? Or have you decided to usurp the judiciary, and alone decide whether he is guilty or not? It's strange to read this ... It seems that all adults, but like children! Have a little patience! When there is a trial, and Serdyukov is not tried, or acquitted, then you will shout! And then, all your cries, even then, will remain only your IMHO, and nothing more. I don’t like Serdyukov either, and I strongly don’t like it, but I am against "executions," following the cries of a raging crowd: "Crucify him!"
      1. +2
        4 March 2013 09: 54
        Was there a court already? Was he acquitted? Withdrawed the charges? Or did you decide to usurp the judiciary, and alone decide whether he is guilty or not? It’s strange to read ... It seems like all adults, but like children! Have a little patience! That's when there will be a trial, and Serdyukov will not be condemned, or acquitted, then you will shout! And then, all your screams, even then remain only your IMHO, and nothing more. I don't like Serdyukov either

        You are strange, dear Atlon... And CHILDREN'S questions are asked by you. Or maybe you are not from Russia? ... Then it explains a lot. And you do not seem to follow the events in the country. If you had followed, you would have paid attention to the words of the Emperor uttered by him at the expanded board of the Ministry of Defense in relation to the previous leadership. Well, as for the courts, I went through it. And now I EXACTLY know WHAT our COURT is. How, whom and for what they are tried. So with "patience" - it's not for me.
        As for personally Serdyukov ... This woman may like or not. And this rot ... do I just hate it. But chop it on your nose: I DO NOT SCREAM about it and do not freak out. I calmly express my opinion. And I ask you to speak more correctly. I have the honor! soldier
  22. +4
    1 March 2013 13: 56
    “I would like to sincerely hope that this time such dreams are not destined to come true, and already in 2016-2018, Vladimir Putin will harshly ask from all those who are directly responsible for the reform procedures in our country. poorly concealed anger "you work well ..." in the event of a failure to meet deadlines and an increase in the cost of implementation, and will also assist in sending responsible, or rather irresponsible, to the bunk. "

    Yeah! Dreaming! This is bro! Who will put him in prison?
  23. Oleleg
    -6
    1 March 2013 15: 00
    Well, again, what to review? Obviously, much that Serdyukov started was done right, and now everyone has forgotten it and are looking for new approaches. They are not here! Rather, the alternative is a return to the scoop, which fortunately is no longer possible.
  24. 0
    1 March 2013 15: 42
    To all am and heroos who are used to asking questions: \
    Russia is not a tsarist country where everything is governed by the "anointed of God", there is a million-strong army of persons endowed with state attribution, but from them, in other matters, as well as you yourself should be asked. The easiest thing is to sit and write, and you go and put everything in its place !!!
    Just cause it is thorny and long, the main thing is to have patience and courage.
  25. Sokrat
    0
    1 March 2013 17: 50
    Quote: user3970
    S. Shoigu holds his weekly meetings in intercom. And where is the privacy mode? Special communication? This is not the Ministry of Emergencies! Why window dressing?

    Absolutely fair remark.
    1. +1
      1 March 2013 18: 51
      Sitting at a table in a restaurant is Sergey Sergeich, a venerable political strategist, his student Vanya and an unforgettable girl, Olya, a student at the PR department.
      -Sergei Sergeich! - says Olga. -Don't tell me about the difference between marketing, management and PR?
      “Olga!” Answered Sergey Sergeich. -That if I now propose a toast for Sergey Sergeyich - the coolest in sex, then this, Olechka - marketing.
      -If Vanya offers the same toast, then this is Olga - management.
      - Well, Olga. if you offer now a toast for Sergey Sergeyich - the coolest in sex ... Here it is, Olga - PR!

      Our window dress is not held in high esteem! - Bad goal! laughing .
  26. Sokrat
    0
    1 March 2013 18: 08
    [quote = CTEPX] After all, the snag so far is that even after a multiple increase in monetary allowance for those servicemen who serve under the contract, there is no significant influx of people who want to sign the contract. What is the reason? [/ Quote]
    And this is connected, dear author, with the fact that it was NOT a FAST increase in money allowance. This is a FALSE of pure water, as well as the size of the monetary allowance of the lieutenant. Which lieutenant? Airborne Forces? Air force? Signalman? Submariner? Again the average hospital temperature! But the actual increase in salaries is simply the monetization of those benefits that were in-kind. Count if you do not believe. [/ Quote]
    Quite right. I will just give as an example the military commandant's office the position of the shooter 1st tariff category soldier under contract 1 year of military service military rank ml. sergeant. There on hands and 15000 rubles. does not even work. Or take the now deceased in the convoy 130 OMSBR pompously announced the recruitment of a whole brigade on a contract basis, and even almost the military police. What's the bottom line? They recruited from all over the country. On the spot we got a bed in a broken-down barracks. Barracks position. The attitude of "Zoldat Officer" to oneself and the main monetary allowance, which was not paid for 3-4 months, and if it was paid, the amounts were ridiculous. On average, a contract soldier has no more than 18000 rubles. And people left their homes, families came to serve 1000 km. and in the end nothing 0.
  27. Sokrat
    +3
    1 March 2013 18: 17
    Quote: Shkodnik65
    Indeed, the snag so far lies in the fact that even after a multiple increase in monetary allowance for those servicemen who serve under the contract, there is still no impressive influx of people wishing to sign the contract. What is the reason for this?

    And this is connected, dear author, with the fact that it was NOT a FAST increase in money allowance. This is a FALSE of pure water, as well as the size of the monetary allowance of the lieutenant. Which lieutenant? Airborne Forces? Air force? Signalman? Submariner? Again the average hospital temperature! But the actual increase in salaries is simply the monetization of those benefits that were in-kind. Count if you do not believe.

    Quite right. I will just give as an example the military commandant's office the position of the shooter 1st tariff category soldier under contract 1 year of military service military rank ml. sergeant. There on hands and 15000 rubles. does not even work. Or take the now deceased in the convoy 130 OMSBR pompously announced the recruitment of a whole brigade on a contract basis, and even almost the military police. What's the bottom line? They recruited from all over the country. On the spot we got a bed in a broken-down barracks. Barracks position. The attitude of "Zoldat Officer" to oneself and the main monetary allowance, which was not paid for 3-4 months, and if it was paid, the amounts were ridiculous. On average, a contract soldier has no more than 18000 rubles. And people left their homes, families came to serve 1000 km. and in the end nothing 0.

    Quote: Atlon
    Calm down, don't panic! The more the positions of the GDP are strengthened, and they are strengthened, whoever says what! The country has changed a lot over the past 10 years, and 10 years, in historical terms, is not even a period, but a moment! He who has eyes will himself see the grandiose, positive changes in the country! And these changes are due to Putin. And it is precisely from the standpoint of these changes, and of its own merits, that the GDP will harder to rule the country and demand that its decisions be implemented. 10 years ago, it was just unthinkable. Stalin, who also did not immediately become the "father of peoples", had to fight both with his "comrades-in-arms" and with the fifth column. There are historical parallels. As for the notorious and "beloved" Serdyukov, I think that over time, we will understand what is the matter. I have repeatedly written that Putin's actions are not always clear from the point of view of philistine logic. But the layman has one problem: he wants to make decisions based on emotions and often not knowing the real balance of power, momentary political realities, and strategic ideas. And more than once the understanding of certain (seemingly illogical) decisions came much later. When emotions subsided long ago, and the result finally became tangible.

    Stalin took over the country with a plow and a shovel, destroyed by the civil and World War I, and surrendered it as a nuclear superpower. What historical dates did this happen? From 1 to 1924. After the death of the Generalissimo, there remained an old overcoat and a pair of patched felt boots and no accounts in Swiss and other banks. GDP in power since 1953
    1. -2
      1 March 2013 19: 04
      Stalin - one of the leaders of the Central Committee of the RSDLP since 1917. to 1953 -35 years.
      According to Stalin, now 1999 -2013 is the 14th year, namely - 1931 what
      Five more years to Spain sad
      1. 0
        1 March 2013 19: 44
        Quote: ctepx
        According to Stalin, now 1999 -2013 is the 14th year, namely - 1931
        Five more years to Spain


        4 years before Kirov's murder, 10 years before the Second World War ... etc. But the "Congress of Winners" has already taken place! ..
        Have you at least analyzed WHAT position I.V. in the party hierarchy until about 27 years of age, what global decisions could he influence, and who then really stood "at the helm" of the country and the party? And then compare his then "weight" and "weight" V.V. since 99 ... Does it work? And that's not the point ... Time goes by at a different speed!
        1. +1
          2 March 2013 06: 56
          Yes, interesting analogies ...
          And it is significant that the real enemy of both the IVS and the GDP is one and the same. And he did not change the methods sad

          But as you know: tell me who your enemy is, and I will say who you are Yes
          1. 0
            2 March 2013 11: 14
            Quote: ctepx
            both the IVS and the GDP are the real enemy. And he did not change the methods

            And who is it? What or who hinted at? Express your thoughts more clearly and without Aesopian language. Now, in my opinion, they don’t put it for it. Well, I already wrote - the time is different.
            1. -2
              2 March 2013 11: 59
              Quote: mike_z
              Express your thoughts more clearly and without Aesopian language.


              According to the rules of the site - you can’t laughing
              Well, i.e. in Russian, so that everyone understands smile
              Therefore, I will try to describe in a few words, each of which inaccurately describes our real enemy winked
              These are: Anglo-Saxons, cosmopolitans, some of the ethnic groups that are related by mother, world government, organized criminal groups that have ever stolen our treasury and torn away territory with deception hi
              1. 0
                2 March 2013 12: 11
                Quote: ctepx
                According to the rules of the site - you can’t

                Ahhh! Well. This is clear! It is always ...
                1. 0
                  2 March 2013 12: 27
                  Quote: ctepx
                  These are: Anglo-Saxons, cosmopolitans, some of the ethnic groups that are related by mother, world government, organized criminal groups that have ever stolen our treasury and torn away territory with deception

                  Was the IVS not fighting them?
  28. user3970
    -1
    2 March 2013 00: 04
    I really don't like Stalin, but I must admit that Stalin had the ability to self-study and more. He did not appoint to positions out of nepotism or acquaintance. He had no friends in his service. He was a STATE MAN. V.V.P. - a state man? A little shortcut to the portrait of V.V.P ... I remember a year ago all the world movie stars and business show stars came to Moscow for some kind of charitable party. And at this party V.V.P. played with one finger on the piano "Where the Motherland Begins". Collected 1,5 million S. The money went to the fund, which organized this get-together. The money disappeared, but did not reach the addressee. When the journalists got to the bottom of the owner of the fund. He was asked: “Did you teach VVP to play the piano? Are you a friend of VVP?” After all, what kind of connections and opportunities you need to have in order to gather such a get-together in Moscow and invite VVP to it. !!! But here are the literal words of a friend of V.V.P. : "Yes, what a friend I am, Compare who I am and who he is ?! Compared to him, I am dust on the road!" Literally! It was shown on the Central Television.
  29. 12Ural12
    +2
    3 March 2013 01: 09
    Who will answer - when the stools are planted according to the article - treason to the Motherland and so forth?
  30. Spartach
    -1
    3 March 2013 10: 24
    Closest to the truth Atlon.
    I personally also believe (and I can justify some things) that no matter what the GDP is done or said, whoever it is assigned to or wherever it flies with (the Siberian Crane), NEVER AND DOES ANYTHING JUST SO. And it’s very sad comrades that some of you do not see beyond your own nose. Your fault is not in this - many of you simply do not allow a specialized education. Our children will also give Serdyukov the Star of the Hero for having signed up for the role of an outcast and a shnik in the eyes of contemporaries, having managed under the guise of the collapse of the army
    to reveal all the rot that inhabits it, to "destroy" the general's mafia, the thieves' layer of the "ensign corps", figures from the military-industrial complex - HE (VVP) BEAUTIFUL THEM ALL BREAKED.
    P.S. Speaking of corruption. My personal experience. Building. Previously - 10 years ago (still working for an uncle) - give 20-30 percent or you can’t see the object. 5 years ago (already a business) - we discuss the object, together we look at the calculations (+ payment schedules on his part) and agree about about a third of the profit he received from my company. Now you play on the tender (rts, sber - it doesn’t matter), you win, you make an object, you hand over .. and here if you don’t share after receiving the money according to the contract, now it’s 3-5 percent quite favorable and even happy to meet, then of the following contracts YES not to be seen as holy truth (1000 motives), but I, as a businessman working with a minimum profitability of 10 percent or more, do not consider it shameful. SHARE profit with the customer. Moreover, I am not ashamed of the objects and I and my region are proud of them. Many of you, for the reasons stated above, may not like this - but this is life. And I try to just hand over objects that I would not be ashamed of them. Oh yes, these people with whom I share are not friends of the GDP - this is a fact.
    1. +1
      3 March 2013 22: 24
      Quote: Spartacus
      to "destroy" the general's mafia, the thieves stratum of the "ensign corps", figures from the military-industrial complex - HE (VVP) BEAUTIFULLY BREAKED THEM ALL.

      1. You are either a science fiction writer or o-very far from modern sun. Better first. Write.
      2. I do not understand, because I really don’t know (served, sir, I didn’t do business, sir) the three examples you gave about kickbacks - is it progress, regression, or is it the same thing, only the methods have changed? Seriously, I don’t know ...
      3. Thank God that there are businessmen rooting for their cause. Thank!
  31. +1
    3 March 2013 16: 57
    S. Shoigu is an excellent organizer. Now he has come to the ruins of the System and is trying to restore it from the wreckage. Soon the Americans will leave Afghanistan and soon we will have problems in the South. God grant him to restore his fighting ability. oriented to the West. All of his activities at the post of Moscow Region are determined by the interests of this group. Well, the looting of the armed forces is the cost or payment for work. So they won’t be seized until this clan is removed from real power.
  32. 0
    4 March 2013 23: 34
    For once, finish the job ...
  33. +1
    4 March 2013 23: 35
    For once, finish the job ...

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