On the incorrect assessment of the state of the post-war tank industry of the USSR by CIA specialists

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On the incorrect assessment of the state of the post-war tank industry of the USSR by CIA specialists


Sometimes intelligence services working on such global tasks as determining the military and industrial potential of a potential enemy produce data completely divorced from reality, guided by incorrect information or adjusting the results to the wishes of politicians. And this sometimes happens even in those countries whose intelligence, it would seem, is at the highest level.



An example of this is the archives of the US Central Intelligence Agency, declassified in the 2000s, which are literally full of facts that are far from reality regarding Soviet post-war tank building - from minor errors in the names of factories to serious flaws in estimating the number and time of production of combat vehicles.

Moreover, the shortcomings, both in general and in individual moments, often went in the direction of a significant overstatement of the numbers, which, on the one hand, only fueled military hysteria, and on the other, formed a distorted idea of tank Park of the Soviet Union.

Now, of course, these reports can be considered exclusively as fantastic issues of the Murzilka magazine, although some overseas and European historians are still guided by them as some kind of immutable ultimate truth.

However, in those years they were seriously considered by the Americans as reliable data and to a large extent influenced not only the course of the Cold War as a whole, but also the military-technical policy of the States - including in terms of designing and producing tanks.

The historian and scientific editor of the public relations department of Uralvagonzavod Sergei Ustyantsev talks about this in detail. We offer a video with his story, filmed as part of the “First Tank” project, for viewing.

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  1. +1
    18 August 2024 16: 04
    Shitty intelligence in the States. She didn’t know anything, she couldn’t do anything... Sit down, CIA, two. negative

    It remains to understand why they released 250 M000 Dragon ATGMs and 47 FGM-40 Javelin... wink
    1. -2
      18 August 2024 16: 54
      Quote: Arzt
      Shitty intelligence in the States. She didn’t know anything, she couldn’t do anything... Sit down, CIA, two. negative

      It remains to understand why they released 250 M000 Dragon ATGMs and 47 FGM-40 Javelin... wink

      Did they start producing Javlin in 1945 or 1946?
      1. +5
        18 August 2024 20: 34
        Did they start producing Javlin in 1945 or 1946?

        They started producing Javelin in 1996. As the further development of Dragon. This is not important.
        Fundamentally, they understood that there were many tanks in the USSR and found an effective and cheap answer.

        And the so-called “CIA schools” such as “Kirov Plant” or “Kirov Plant”, “Uralvagonzavod” or “Nizhny Tagil Carriage Plant” have no fundamental significance. The Americans themselves understood perfectly well what kind of factories we were talking about, where they were located, what and how much they produced.
        1. -3
          18 August 2024 21: 52
          Quote: Arzt
          Fundamentally, they understood that there were many tanks in the USSR and found an effective and cheap answer.
          - 300 ATGMs are CHEAP answer. I don’t know how much ATGMs cost back then in the USA - we were told on urgent duty that 1 ATGM = “Zhiguli”. At such a cost, to put it mildly, it’s not cheap at all
          1. 0
            18 August 2024 22: 06
            when compared to the cost of the tank, then yes
            and it’s cheaper to transport across the ocean
        2. +1
          19 August 2024 08: 19
          The M47 Dragon ATGM was also developed in 1970. What does this have to do with the CIA analysis of 1945? Lightning-fast reaction in a quarter of a century?
          1. -1
            19 August 2024 08: 36
            The M47 Dragon ATGM was also developed in 1970. What does this have to do with the CIA analysis of 1945? Lightning-fast reaction in a quarter of a century?

            Before Dragon there was the M67 recoilless rifle - a 90-mm recoilless rifle. And much more. Not important.
            The CIA “misjudged” that’s what’s fundamental.
  2. +2
    21 August 2024 13: 44
    There is a simple answer to this phenomenon: the US created a fake threat from the USSR to fuel its Cold War rhetoric, which was mainly aimed at Western European countries in order to keep them under its control. Now, with Ukraine, everything starts all over again.
  3. 0
    23 August 2024 20: 43
    Very interesting and informative video, thanks to the author.
    The director of the Uralvagonzavod museum briefly expressed the idea that not all CIA documents were studied by us and it is possible that there is a more sober analysis there. Dirmuz deserves unconditional respect as a specialist, and as a talker, as eternal “experts” and political scientists.
    The US response to the tank threat to the USSR was quite adequate and not too expensive (ATGM), just like ours (RPG-2 and ATGM). The fight of sword and shield is eternal fellow

    At one time, running in a tank did not make a very strong impression on me, and especially after training with a sergeant major who had undergone baptism of fire. After that, he stopped perceiving the tank threat as a nightmare, a nightmare, he normally bounces from the RKG-3 anti-tank cumulative grenade, especially if thrown at the right time hi
  4. 0
    5 September 2024 13: 56
    Quote: Arzt
    Fundamentally, they understood that there were many tanks in the USSR and found an effective and cheap answer.


    You don't have to be James Bond to know that the USSR has a lot of tanks.
    And the effectiveness of Western ATGMs is not that high, and only Rothschild can call the "Javelins" cheap. laughing
  5. 0
    24 September 2024 11: 54
    Ours also produced more than 300 thousand of these little ones. The West didn't have that many tanks from 1917 to 2020.