How to make military service attractive? (incomplete collection of options)

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The last winter day reminds all persons of military age who did not have time to pay their military duty that the spring call of 2013 is just around the corner. How much do modern young people want to fulfill their constitutional duty?



Recently, it has become quite active in expressing information related to what is needed to increase the prestige of military service in the Russian army. At the same time, different people who consider themselves experts in this matter, often express diametrically opposed versions. Someone is sure that the Russian army will become truly effective, efficient and attractive to potential recruits only when there is a return to the Soviet option of recruiting troops. Someone thinks that only a contractual basis can be considered a panacea for the security of our state. There are those who say that it is necessary to create an exclusively Russian volunteer army, the very fact that it falls into which recruits or contract soldiers will be considered a great success. A supporter of the idea of ​​creating a volunteer army is, for example, the leader of Russian liberal democrats, Vladimir Zhirinovsky. True, at the same time, Vladimir Volfovich does not give explanations of what exactly is needed in order for the young people to enter the Russian army solely on a voluntary basis, at the call of conscience and at the same time, according to him, they were not afraid to receive a summons from the district military enlistment office . In general, the idea of ​​one of the most extravagant politicians in Russia was voiced, and then, as they say, themselves ...

Based on this, we will try to figure out what the average modern young man really needs in order for him to realize the need to serve the Motherland and at the same time put on his military uniform not as a yoke, but with a full sense of his involvement in the country. and its citizens to the cause.

First you need to turn to the official figures that reveal the number of so-called draft dodgers - that is, young people of military age who do everything to avoid conscription for military service. According to the General Staff, those at the end of 2012, in the Russian Federation, slightly more than 166 thousand people were recorded. This is comparable with the indicators of the appeal itself. True, according to official data, the figure is 18% lower than the 2011 of the year. However, it should be noted that in this case there are several regions where the number of those who evade military service has increased over the past year. Such regions include Chelyabinsk, Penza, Omsk, Samara regions and the Republic of Chuvashia. Strangely enough, one of the best indicators for reducing the number of draft dodgers recorded in Moscow — the number of “mowers”, judging from the reports of the military commissar of the capital, decreased almost 1,5 times compared to 2011 year. Official reports - matter, of course, thin ... However, let us return to the raised question of what our young people need, so that they can join the army readily.

Option 1. Increase of money allowances for recruits.

Proponents of this idea say that the increase in the monetary allowance will stimulate the conscript and force him to treat the army as duties in any other workplace. As they say, an advance payment, a bonus and all that ... On the one hand, a thought is certainly sound, but on the other hand, how to determine which material, say, a bonus can “rationalize” a modern young man and let him know that he is obliged to do his job to protect the borders of his homeland. For one 5 thousand rubles - an option, and the other - and 50 TR will consider a payment misunderstanding. But even if you decide on the average option, this will not mean at all that all the drafters, without exception, will fulfill the duties assigned to them with the same zeal. This time. And who will give 100 today a% guarantee that all these “increased amounts of money allowances” will reach exclusively to the draftee, and they will start walking in the pockets of, let's say, other interested parties. These are two.

In the end, the translation itself of the call-up service on the money rails automatically turns into a peculiar variant of the contract service - a service for material interest. A kind of nonsense in the form of "recruit-mercenary." And about the effectiveness of the service of the mercenaries can be a very long time to argue.

So, will our army turn from the introduction of such an innovation into a kind of OJSC Armed Forces? .. The big question.

Option 2. Non-admission of refusers to high state posts in the future.

This innovation has already been accepted. However, is there a department in our country that has the right to determine who is a refusal and who “just did not work with the army”. After all, at the level of the notorious corruption that exists today, anyone can get the diagnosis they need, which is unlikely to be checked at first. And if it does not arise at the beginning, then it will certainly be too late: as they say, the ends are in the water, played away ... A government official with scoliosis or poor eyesight is no option to circumvent this sound, at first glance, initiative.

Option 3. Completely rid the army of non-mastering.

But this is again all at the level of a beautiful slogan. After all, in fact, the presence or absence of non-statutory relations is not determined at all by the directives of the General Staff, but directly by the officers who work with the rank and file. It’s one thing when the non-statutory relations in the army need to be burned out with a hot iron, the general from Moscow says, and it’s quite another when a specific officer will take care of the order in the unit entrusted to him. In which case the effectiveness of more? Right! - You can turn off the General on TV ... And it is obligatory to oblige all current officers without exception to follow the path of the indispensable eradication of non-statutory relations in the army - utopia ... It’s not necessary to oblige, and, as they say, from the student’s bench, I'm sorry, to hammer in .

Option 4. As a number of our fellow citizens propose: to get rid of the oligarchs, to create a people's government, and that’s when young people will rush into the ranks of the Russian army — certainly voluntarily.

Usually, those gentlemen who at the moment are in a state of “repose” like to talk like that ... I don’t go for the sake of “your” Abramovich with Deripaska and various Vekselbergs to protect the border ... The argument is, of course, entertaining, but obviously from the category “so that to think of something else, so that you can sit out behind other people's backs for 27 ”. So, to those gentlemen who think precisely with these paradigms, I would like to say: the security of Deripaska and other Abramovich with their financial livability is, apparently, an absolute phenomenon (you will pass urgent or not), which cannot be said about yourself and your Relatives, when in your school (as in Beslan), in your hospital (as in Budennovsk), in your theater (as in Dubrovka) non-humans suddenly break in who have a different view on the value of your life ...

Ah, yes ... People's government ... Well, who are we kidding here? .. Only if we are ourselves. And we had it in 1812, when the Russian army drove the French across Smolenka? Perhaps the people were in power in 1791 or 1878, when the strength of the Russian weapons experienced the Turks? Well, just that no episode of stories Russia, the only people's governments figure ...

It turns out that the increase in the prestige of the service can not be directly related either to money or to the variant of the political system or to the statements of high military officials. All these things are in fact transitory. The prestige of service and the interest of young people in it should be brought up, as they say, from young nails. Let it sound a bit pompous, but when the young man in elementary school begins to be frightened by “army horror stories,” what prestige are we talking about? It is necessary to realize that the army is not a separate matter steaming in its own juice, but one of the social forms, and therefore it is pointless to consider its development outside the context of the development of the public.
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  1. +2
    28 February 2013 08: 44
    2 and 4 options ..... since 1 and 3 are impossible in my opinion .....
    A real man does not join the army because of money and benefits ..... but to get really necessary knowledge, life experience .... to get his mind and health, so to speak .... Although after passing it is very nice when you are hired and respect
    1. Hon
      +1
      28 February 2013 11: 33
      Quote: JonnyT
      health fit


      My friend left the army with category A1, and after 6 months B. came in. The stool on the head added a lot of health.
      1. +5
        28 February 2013 11: 58
        And hundreds of thousands of normal men come. Everything in this world is relative ...
        1. -2
          28 February 2013 13: 17
          Quote: Volodin
          Everything in this world is relative ...

          You grow up your children send them to this army, then you will meet one in ZINC of another disabled person and then we will see how you have everything about the tongue will turn.
          I know about the "sacred duty";
          Only a question - And I took it, this debt took !?
          What did the service of 2 years in "kirzach" give me?


          Firm conviction that in this form it is not an army!
          Let the children of officials and aligarchic ghouls with generals serve in this SKOTNIK, you see not only the desire to crush her but to do it already!
          1. +5
            28 February 2013 13: 47
            Why are you throwing a tantrum here? If the service did not give you anything, then, at least, do not generalize. If you have one child in zinc, and the other was returned disabled, then this is a tragedy - does anyone argue with that ... What is your hysteria? - the fact that the army is not needed at all, or what? ... I do not understand. And if the fact that the army is "Skotnik", then shouting "everything is gone - serve yourself" will definitely not help the cause. We are waiting for your suggestions about the constructive type of the army.
            1. Hon
              0
              28 February 2013 13: 58
              In general, a specific question was asked
              Quote: Papakiko
              Only a question - And I took it, this debt took !?
            2. dmb
              0
              28 February 2013 16: 28
              Understanding your just indignation at the "debts" and sharing it at least in the part that your opponent judges the army and the Motherland exclusively from the point of view of the "hero of our time", that is, a merchant, nevertheless I admit that in his words there is also some truth. She's in social justice. Yes, geniuses can and should be provided with a deferral from the call, with subsequent transfer to the reserve. But here it is provided to one genius and a thousand mediocrity, which includes the children of wealthy parents listed by the opponent who are able to pay for graduate studies, doctoral studies, etc. etc.
              1. Hon
                +1
                28 February 2013 16: 50
                Quote: dmb
                Understanding your just indignation at the "debts" and sharing it at least in the part that your opponent judges the army and the Motherland exclusively from the point of view of the "hero of our time", that is, a merchant, nevertheless I admit that in his words there is also some truth. She's in social justice. Yes, geniuses can and should be provided with a deferral from the call, with subsequent transfer to the reserve. But here it is provided to one genius and a thousand mediocrity, which includes the children of wealthy parents listed by the opponent who are able to pay for graduate studies, doctoral studies, etc. etc.

                I personally believe that it is necessary to serve in the army, and the call should be preserved. Just a wording about debt and about what you need to give. extremely dislike.
              2. Psychojoker
                0
                28 February 2013 19: 07
                Injustice is still there. To me, who has neither the means nor the desire to pay for the slope, they are assigned the category A1, although with my heart failure there is by no means lower than B or even C. The masses of my friends who have both money and desire are put in B and D (Or D, I do not remember exactly). As a result, of the ten who fell under the call, 1 is unfairly honest (neglected pancreatitis), 5 have served, 4 have been redeemed. That's all justice.

                P.S. In fact, we young people have two main "claims" to the army. The first is hazing and hazing. The second is doing all sorts of nonsense, from mops to sawing wood instead of combat training. When these problems are solved, then there will be no problems with conscription, and these problems, as already mentioned in the article, can be solved only on the spot.
                Oh yes, I completely forgot, it would not hurt to turn the draft board upside down. According to my observations, the problems of conscription are also massively related to the quality of their work. They cannot catch those fleeing through another dwelling (Not to the village to their grandmother, but simply to another apartment, even directly above the military registration and enlistment office); Well, who remains to be called? I heard once that the system will be redone and you will have to pick up the summons yourself, but something only at the rumor level remains.
                1. redwolf_13
                  0
                  1 March 2013 02: 05
                  The question can be resolved would be strong will.
                  1. Yes, give all privileges only to the serving person. I wasn’t in the army, I'm sorry your place is only in private business. The question with certificates of illness will fall off. You have nothing to do with the patient in public administration.
                  2. A crippled person in the army, the state pays money and takes on full security.
                  The next question is about bullying. Psyjoker is afraid of hazing and non-hazing. And where does it come from, don't you bring it young to the army and then grow it. Or grandfathers is a purely alien derivative. No. I’ll say more than half a year, and you’re all the devil, you all know. Not who does not want to remember himself young when it was difficult for him to help another. No, he remembers how he was "bent" and then tries 110 percent over the other. And that there is no hazing in offices or in enterprises. Try to look at yourself first. And about the mop at home, your mother cleaned after you and there was no one to wash the sarter. And cleanliness and order are, first of all, a guarantee of your precious health. Young people come even to wash for themselves, they cannot look at the mop as at a nuclear reactor. So the mop is part of the process of your formation and knitting. There is nowhere to go from this. Do you want the house to be clean CLEAN
                  1. Psychojoker
                    0
                    1 March 2013 04: 23
                    You misunderstood me smile By mops, I meant a moment when the conscript did most of the service doing different tasks instead of training.
                    As for hazing, you are right, of course, but modern hazing has more turned into a national character. It's a little harder here what
              3. Misantrop
                0
                28 February 2013 20: 18
                Quote: dmb
                Yes, geniuses can and should provide a deferment from the draft, with subsequent transfer to the reserve.
                Do you think there is a place in the army ONLY for morons, geniuses there unnecessarily? Genius is usually gifted in quite a few areas, one-sided (such as flux) rarely come across. And what about "Did I borrow" I would like to know what exactly YOU owe the one who is now in uniform? If he also risks for you its life?
                1. dmb
                  0
                  28 February 2013 21: 09
                  Read, written in Russian. Where I approved the position: "I do not serve, because I did not borrow from anyone." There is just a surplus of morons in the army. And as for geniuses, Kurchatov and Flerov and Kryuchkov and Zharov were more needed for defense in their professional incarnation than in a trench. But some of them are geniuses, others are close to them. This does not mean at all that anyone who enrolls in physics and mathematics or the conservatory is automatically released from service.
                  1. Misantrop
                    0
                    1 March 2013 00: 35
                    Quote: dmb
                    Kurchatov and Flerov and Kryuchkov and Zharov for defense were more needed in their professional incarnation than in the trench
                    Strongly Kalashnikov shoulder straps prevented in the invention of his machine gun? And there is a surplus of morons in the army just because everyone else necessarily has a "more interesting and useful for the country" occupation than service. If you take a standard group of young people and remove the smart and intelligent from it, guess who will be left?
                    1. +1
                      1 March 2013 03: 19
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      there is necessarily a "more interesting and useful for the country" occupation than service.

                      And it’s possible to say about him at age 18 — the future Kurchatov and Kryuchkov in one bottle wassat
          2. Fox
            +5
            28 February 2013 13: 56
            Quote: Papakiko
            What did the service of 2 years in "kirzach" give me?

            it only gave you what you were able to take. but judging by the comment, it’s very little.
          3. ksandr45
            +10
            28 February 2013 14: 06
            I rotted for 6 months in training, but I learned a lot, I can drive an infantry fighting vehicle, I can shoot from it and with any combined arms weapons, and then I fed lice in the mountains in the Caucasus. He has been in the Georgian conflict. What did it give me? And the fact that I left my mother’s son and came as a man. Even if I survived the army, then I will definitely not be lost on a civilian. And I will send my son for sure.
            1. -1
              28 February 2013 15: 01
              Quote: ksandr45
              And the fact that I left my mother’s son and came as a man. Even if I survived the army, then I will definitely not be lost on a civilian.


              I am the sixth child in the family, and man I didn’t have to make an army of me. From the age of 7, he himself could not only fry fried eggs, but also much more, not to mention a thread with a needle.
              "The lice were fed" - you got off a little.
              And if, starting with prostatitis and ending with ulcers in the joints and a stomach ulcer, they acquired from unsanitary conditions and "gastronomic cuisine", then they began to remember 1,5 years in "kirzach" in a different way.
              1. +4
                28 February 2013 19: 12
                Papakiko. It follows from your comments that you have served in the army at least twice. First "2 years in kirzach", then another "1,5 years" in them. For your 3,5 years "term" of abscesses can be earned - who would argue ... As the saying goes: in which regiment did you serve? Voennoe Obozreniye will certainly go there and organize a report, because, judging by your comments, there is a complete chaos going on there ...
                1. 0
                  28 February 2013 20: 54
                  Quote: ksandr45
                  He has been in the Georgian conflict. What did it give me?

                  Quote: Volodin
                  Papakiko. It follows from your comments that you have served in the army at least twice. First "2 years in kirzach", then another "1,5 years" in them. For your 3,5 years of "term" of abscesses, you can earn - who would argue ..

                  About 1.5 years I answered ksandr45 on 08.08.08/1.5/XNUMX service term = XNUMX years.
              2. 0
                28 February 2013 23: 12
                Papakio, I’m the first child in the family. I served in the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs 1987-1989, and didn’t eat for weeks, and did not sleep, and for days on foot. And in the snow and frost all day on tactical and in the heat, when you can fry fried eggs on a helmet .We visited almost all the hot spots of that time, starting with Sumgait,. Brother, the youngest, asked for himself, and found Tskhinvali in 1990, plus the assault on the Sukhumi prison. And it’s strange, neither he nor I ever regretted serving. I didn’t earn any special awards, because then no one believed that military operations could take place on the territory of the USSR, there was only shell-shock. And wounds, which, by the way, do not bother me at all. Because I’m not a member of any you’ll not be bent, unlike people like you
            2. Hon
              0
              28 February 2013 18: 14
              Quote: ksandr45
              I rotted for 6 months in training, but I learned a lot, I can drive an infantry fighting vehicle, I can shoot from it and with any combined arms weapons, and then I fed lice in the mountains in the Caucasus. He has been in the Georgian conflict. What did it give me? And the fact that I left my mother’s son and came as a man. Even if I survived the army, then I will definitely not be lost on a civilian. And I will send my son for sure.

              And sometimes it happens ...

              I apologize in advance for the muck that is depicted in the demator
            3. 0
              1 March 2013 21: 53
              Absolutely ... True! good
          4. +1
            28 February 2013 14: 24
            at least you need to learn to own weapons, and where will they do it? In OSOABIAHIM? In pEDZU generals and ghouls ...
          5. -3
            28 February 2013 15: 43
            Until then there will be guys perish, maim, mutilate in this army until it moves from RECRUIT to PROFESSIONAL.
            Modern conditions require extensive knowledge and skills in handling weapons and equipment.
            Such an army, as it is now, guarantees us a repetition of the catastrophe that began on June 22, 1941 and ended only in 1942 in the steppes of Stalingrad.
            For this we are growing our children and leading our kind?
            hi
            1. Misantrop
              0
              28 February 2013 20: 25
              Quote: Papakiko
              Such an army, as it is now, guarantees us a repetition of the catastrophe that began on June 22, 1941 and ended only in 1942 in the steppes of Stalingrad.
              And by 1942, much remained in the army of personnel of the beginning of the war? A professional army guarantees you unless a slave hut and a bowl of baland. Well, a place on the bunk. Immediately after the professional one who knows how to handle weapons and equipment is knocked out in battles. And it will be NECEMEN to replace the retirees
          6. Misantrop
            0
            28 February 2013 20: 15
            Quote: Papakiko
            Let the children of officials and aligarchic ghouls with generals serve in this CATTLE
            And they serve there, moreover, in command posts. It was they who made her SUCH. Do you want the army to be normal (in your opinion), so who, besides you, should do this? Wear officer epaulets and tidy her up. Who better than you will be able to embody your view of her?
            1. 0
              28 February 2013 21: 06
              Quote: Misantrop
              so to whom, besides you, to do this? Wear officer epaulets and tidy her up. Who better than you will be able to embody your view of her?

              Native heart.
              If each of us with good, clear intentions were given "to steer"................................................... ..................., but only in good health and clear mind, who voluntarily forcibly relinquishes such bread-making places? hi

              Can the son of a general become a marshal?
              - No!
              - And why?
              “Because the marshal also has children!”


              Therefore, please do not engage in throwing "fly agaric", "eggs", "tomatoes" or "cell phones"
              (championships are many different)
              1. Misantrop
                0
                1 March 2013 00: 45
                Quote: Papakiko
                If each of us with good, clear intentions were given "to steer" ..................................... .......................
                .........., but only in good health and clear mind, who voluntarily forcibly relinquishes such bread-making places?
                Who has a predisposition to what. I once had occasion (while still being a lieutenant commander, then cap.3 rank) to give orders to the submarine division commanders, admirals and captains of the 1st rank. Including on its own behalf. And nothing, normally performed. Just because they knew perfectly well that this was not from my dope and whim, but for the common cause. And 3 people in the flotilla (commander, his deputy and chief of staff) had the right to order me. Is this not POWER in a single garrison? He left, SAM, although he was persuaded to stay. And I do not see anything extraordinary in this. If only because I know more than one such case
          7. +2
            1 March 2013 02: 34
            I repaid debt for 2 years and I know why: for free education, for my happy childhood, when my parents had the opportunity to take me to the sea every summer (from Murmansk) and all my classmates had the same opportunity. The ministry gave me a lot of 2 years in kirsach, thanks to this I became what I am and regret those who mowed. Moreover, songs about the need for higher education, lost time, etc. these are excuses. I have two higher and received both after the service, and the first - on the day. All men should serve, or at least everyone who wants to be considered as such. The most effective method of popularization would nevertheless be a restriction of rights for non-servicemen, and this should concern not only the inability to be a government official, but also other restrictions, including a tax based on the example of a childless tax in Soviet times, the impossibility of owning ANY weapon, including injuries.
            On the contrary, benefits should really work for employees on admission to universities, preferential mortgages, exemption from income tax, say for three years after service and for five in case of admission to the university. But the most important thing should be no exceptions. Indeed, there should be children of generals and tractor drivers in the barracks, and in the same barracks, and not in warm places, then there will be no cattle (although I do not associate my service with cattle)
            1. 0
              1 March 2013 20: 27
              I completely agree! Also two years, also two higher. Those who have not served - let him rejoice, but I am proud. I am proud that I GAVE A DEBT to the Motherland for having a cloudless childhood, for running without problems to discos under a reel-to-reel tape recorder and not having to carry traumatics and shockers with us. The girls were friends with us, it was with those who served, and not with the "mowers". I served in the Soviet Army, I am not yet old and I don’t understand such conversations - to go - not to go. There is no need to hide: "If tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is on a campaign," it is more likely to survive, and a military ID is asked at any medical board ...
        2. 0
          28 February 2013 21: 54
          I would say men.
      2. +1
        3 March 2013 13: 35
        I’ve been serving under the contract for eight years, and I can say that there was no trace of the past hazing, I caught hazing by my term and I know what it is! I don’t judge one military unit regularly and go on business trips to other parts and I see what’s going on, Yes, and conscripts willingly share to say the least how they are served crying . Secret in only one remove all the workers from the army and are engaged in combat training and physical, then there will be no time to sort things out, and the team will only come together !!!!!
    2. Rusich
      +2
      28 February 2013 12: 05
      Defender of the Fatherland

      Sacred duty - to keep the Fatherland!
      REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE YOUR MAN!
      ARMY FOR WAR TO LOVE HOMELAND
      !!!

      REMEMBER THIS AND HOLY SAINT!
      NOBODY EXCEPT US !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. -8
      28 February 2013 12: 14
      Quote: JonnyT
      to get the really necessary knowledge, life experience .... so to speak, to get your mind and health .... Although after passing it is very nice when you are hired and respected

      all that you said stupidity, the army does not give anything of this.
      But if you consider the ability to wield a shovel a good life experience, then Yes.
      1. +6
        28 February 2013 13: 52
        It’s sure she won’t give you anything ........ sit on a citizen, yelling about a violation of human rights and a totalitarian bloody regime. I would have gone to the army in the normal unit in an instant; * ovno came out of you !!!! A real man should be able to do everything, including using a shovel. It’s better to use a shovel than to sit under a mom’s skirt and have nothing harder than a mouse to hold in your hands. Your brains are washed out by Western propaganda and your ideas about the army are wrong. Opposition-minded citizens are selfish, they do nothing for their homeland, and they themselves want a lot of money and a Western dream ..... they must work, I do not scratch my tongue. Blaming Putin's bloody regime for all of his life failures is the lot of losers
        1. ksandr45
          +3
          28 February 2013 14: 10
          I agree, if someone came from there and learned only to swing a shovel, then this someone * didn’t understand them and should be allowed in the second round. And they don't get a star in the army just like that, they are presented as a "case" as a rule, bad.
          1. Hon
            0
            28 February 2013 14: 13
            Quote: ksandr45
            And they don't get a star in the army just like that, they are presented as a "case" as a rule, bad.
          2. Hon
            -1
            28 February 2013 14: 25
            Quote: ksandr45
            And they don't get a star in the army just like that, they are presented as a "case" as a rule, bad.

            For refusing to participate in a photo shoot or what?
            1. 0
              28 February 2013 23: 15
              Yes, at least .. if you’re a ram in life, and you let yourself fall, then you’ll be bent everywhere by a citizen
            2. +2
              1 March 2013 03: 25
              Quote: Hon
              For refusing to participate in a photo shoot or what?

              Do you propose to pity 8 sheep standing with their heads down instead of tearing off the cradles of one goat? do not wait am
              1. Hon
                0
                1 March 2013 08: 33
                This is a photo of one goat in the barracks there are much more.
                1. 0
                  3 March 2013 13: 45
                  And the fact that these freaks depicted in the photo is also not enough, a couple of times they would try to fight back a third time, they would not come up with photo sessions !!!! The army is a place for men or for people who want to become men !!!
        2. Vanya Ivanov
          -3
          28 February 2013 18: 26
          to what extent are your ideas about the army true and real Johnny T.? serve in the army where the Motherland sent. do not choose normal or abnormal. or have you, as a gold medalist, been given the right to choose a "normal unit"?
          1. 0
            1 March 2013 08: 21
            Quote: Vanya Ivanov
            how true are your ideas about the army true and real Johnny T

            Actually, I served .... I saw everything with my own eyes)))))
            I did not mow from the service, I had a good professional selection, and the health of A-1, admission to the state. secret. The military commissar asked me where you want to go and what you want from the army. And I replied I want to serve, and be useful, acquire a military specialty, spend a year not in vain, but with benefit! The last commission approved my candidacy and I was sent to a normal combat unit, that's all ..... and all the recruits who served with me answered yes to the question "do you want to serve" !!! Instead of wagging * opoy trying to bargain for a warm place ...
            And what do you mean by the word "normal in \ h" ????
            1. Vanya Ivanov
              0
              2 March 2013 13: 52
              that sho you say. what details ... let's start with the fact that you introduced here the gradation into "normal and abnormal parts".
              everything is easier with me, I served there where I was sent.
      2. +2
        28 February 2013 14: 15
        [quote = rkka] all that you said stupidity, the army does not give anything of this.
        But if you consider the ability to wield a shovel a good life experience, then Yes. [/ Quote
        It’s also necessary to be able to use a shovel. Are you afraid that you won’t be able to do without dad and mom? But you will find out that the loaves do not grow on trees, and you can just be independent.
      3. Misantrop
        +2
        28 February 2013 20: 30
        Quote: rkka
        But if the ability to wield a shovel you consider a good life experience
        And my conscript after service was restored to the St. Petersburg military mech. Moreover, if he came to me from the diesel faculty (tired of studying, decided to serve), then he returned to the nuclear faculty. And the professor almost wore it in his arms. For the simple reason that, unlike them, theorists, he had 3 years behind him practical operation AEU. Moreover, it is competent conscious exploitation. This experience is VERY expensive
    4. 0
      28 February 2013 16: 59
      constitutional obligation?
      Hmmm .... now it's called that. But what are the concepts of honor, duty is now out of fashion?
  2. +9
    28 February 2013 08: 48
    I don’t understand the adjective "attractive" in relation to the army for conscripts, is that a maid for marriage? This is the duty of a citizen; only those who have health problems should not serve at all. For everyone else, you can and should choose service options. For those who have turned away - a conviction, which should be striking in rights for life, without the possibility of withdrawal.
    1. Fox
      +7
      28 February 2013 09: 39
      Quote: Vladimirets
      do not serve at all only those who have health problems.

      I’ll add: serious problems. And with low vision, now there are a lot of specialties at the computer. But in general. What is not the same example as Israel or Switzerland?
      1. +4
        28 February 2013 09: 57
        Quote: Fox
        full of specialties at the computer

        I immediately remembered an article about the fact that amateurs of flight simulators were recruited for drone operators in a country laughing
    2. +8
      28 February 2013 12: 12
      Quote: Vladimirets
      I don’t understand the adjective "attractive"


      I was also struck by the "ear" is the word "attractive". Over there in the "mattress" the army became so attractive that gays were drawn there. Service in the army should be HONORABLE and respected in society. Alas, this is no longer a purely military issue, but the presence of an idea and state ideology in the country, which still does not exist, on one naked patriotism You will not go far young people see who and by what means achieves STATUS in a society in which the status of a person in uniform has been slightly raised since the time of Yeltsin's crap, but he is far from being in the first place among the priorities of a young man.
      1. +1
        28 February 2013 13: 09
        Absolutely correct!
        Not served, either disabled or "deprived".
        "Volumes" of monetary allowance will be when you serve and. later, you will become a pro. And on the urgent one you have to pay for the training yourself. smile
        And non-statutes should not be called upon to "burn with a hot iron", but simply burn out. This is not an easy matter, and not everything here depends on the officers (and sergeants) of the unit. We need a firm and strict system, selection of personnel and so on. But if you wish i.e. political will, quite solvable a task.
        And without a government. reflecting the interests of the people at this historical stage, "our faith is in vain"
        There is nothing to bother ... recourse
      2. +2
        28 February 2013 16: 04
        WELL VERY ATTRACTIVE
        1. +1
          28 February 2013 22: 32
          Vignette of pure additions to "fireballs" and lightning from the ass!
          Mega-weapon "Gayropes" of mega-destructive power! laughing
          1. opkozak
            +2
            1 March 2013 01: 20


            Mega-weapon "Gayropes" of mega-destructive power! laughing
        2. 0
          3 March 2013 13: 48
          But in battle, effective laughing In war, all ways are good !!
  3. +7
    28 February 2013 08: 50
    What is there to invent? In the same Turkey and Israel did not go to serve and you are an outcast in your country. What state positions and services are there - no one will take you to a private company for a decent job! Create a climate of intolerance around the dodgers as a stick and carrot in the form of education and job benefits for soldiers in front of non-serving. The easiest way is to give a criminal sentence to the draft deviators (I am not calling for real landings, but even a conditional criminal article will close most of the doors in the private sector).
    1. +2
      28 February 2013 14: 17
      We are now paying money to get into the army
      1. +1
        28 February 2013 20: 54
        Quote: Vodrak
        We are now paying money to get into the army


        So in Dagestan, too, like you .. pay to get ..
    2. 0
      28 February 2013 21: 21
      In Turkey, the slope is legalized. For a certain amount. It seems to be talking about 8 thousand bucks. Only money does not go to doctors or the military commissar, but to the treasury.
      1. 0
        3 March 2013 13: 52
        Yes, there should be no such thing as a slope !!!! Ask fathers and grandfathers if they were going to mow down from the army ??? Yes, they would simply be rotted at home !!! And before there was hazing, only then the guys who were strong in spirit and body would come to serve! ! And now informals, emo, goths, you and others !!
  4. +12
    28 February 2013 09: 41
    A long time ago, that way in 1959, the American writer Robert Heinlein in his "Starship Infantry" (better known to us as "Starship Troopers") derived the formula - "I did not serve, I was not a citizen."
    It was clearly spelled out there, if you want to go to the civil service, you want to have the right to vote, you want to engage in politics, etc., i.e. if you want to play some role in the state. Welcome to the army ... that’s the only way.
    1. +3
      28 February 2013 10: 41
      It’s absolutely correct, I’ll add, to make quotas for those who enter universities after the army.
      1. Hon
        +3
        28 February 2013 11: 40
        Quote: Parabelum
        It’s absolutely correct, I’ll add, to make quotas for those who enter universities after the army.

        After the army, they usually go to correspondence, because not schoolchildren already, it’s necessary to work, but the correspondence is paid. It is necessary that the state pay for the training of those who have served, even if they are extramural.
    2. +4
      28 February 2013 14: 37
      Quote: Landwarrior
      A long time ago, that way in 1959, the American writer Robert Heinlein in his "Starship Infantry" (better known to us as "Starship Troopers") derived the formula - "I did not serve, I was not a citizen."

      In fact, this idea is not his - it gained distribution even in Ancient Rome - retired soldiers received the status of a citizen of the Roman Republic and the right to take up government duties. Well, the founders of the idea can be the citizens of Sparta.
    3. redwolf_13
      +2
      1 March 2013 02: 19
      Well, there was also another example. It is everywhere and everywhere to show the army in a beautiful light. Enough to shoot and show films about "ensign Shmatko" about morons in uniform. From here legs and arms grow. Include propaganda to the fullest.
      For a long time to remove the words DEBT from the lexicon. The duty was earlier when study was free, housing was free, there was work for every taste. All this does not mean the word of duty is no more. The state decided to switch to a financial language with a person and should speak this language with him.
  5. vladsolo56
    +10
    28 February 2013 09: 42
    I read and was surprised, no one knows how to draw guys into the army, but everything is on the surface. Note 99% of guys are interested in weapons and military equipment, and at the same time half do not want to join the army. maybe because as a result of the call they see neither weapons nor equipment. Maybe training in the army should be put as it should and that’s all. If a soldier for twelve hours will be occupied with training in the possession of weapons and equipment, this may be the incentive, and if he marching on the parade ground for half a day, and then wandering around idle for half a day, then he begins to do something out of idleness. Maybe it’s worth doing the routine so that by evening the soldier would only want to get to the bed and fall into a sound sleep. Then there will be no draft deviators. And then they talked about how to call. I consider it a shame for the army when the alternative is three years in prison.
    1. -8
      28 February 2013 12: 22
      I fully support, the only sound thought from all the comments. On my own, I’ll add that it is still desirable to break the barracks into small rooms for 4 people in order to exclude the instant spread of diseases.
      1. +4
        28 February 2013 12: 58
        rkka,
        Spermotoxicosis or something ?, don’t say heresy, sleep normally in the barracks if you want to sleep.
        Quote: vladsolo56
        and at the same time half do not want to join the army. maybe because as a result of the call they see neither weapons nor equipment.

        If I knew that I would not see what I would like, this would not affect my decision to serve, then in my youth, my upbringing was different.
        Now only gingerbread can be lured somewhere, and that is not a fact.
        Complete moral decay, someone else is holding on but there is already a lot of degradation.
        1. vladsolo56
          0
          28 February 2013 17: 32
          You are wrong, you see, if a guy is not even afraid of three years in prison, then the matter is something else
          1. 0
            28 February 2013 20: 35
            vladsolo56,
            He’s not afraid, the fact is that 18 years old is the age when perception and character are already beginning to take shape, at this time you can sculpt anything out of youth, with a few exceptions especially stubborn or already with the character of people.
            When I served in my company there were several people with conditional and already served time in the zone, I don’t remember who for what, but even if the behavior clearly speaks of a walker, a person is not always a radish, and is quite manageable in a relatively conflict-free environment.
            In general, as elsewhere, the youth group always has its own "Fierce", "Sparrow" and "La Gioconda", this is a reference to the film "9th company".
        2. 0
          28 February 2013 19: 59
          Quote: carbofo
          Spermotoxicosis or something

          came out of that age, but you probably already poured into your pants a couple of times
          1. 0
            28 February 2013 20: 38
            rkka,
            There is definitely no certainty about the fact you are asserting, as well as the assertion that you affirm about me.
            And judging by the tone of your post, the gray shoulder straps of the army of your beloved in all the poses in the past are right for you.
            It is a pity that they were not Japanese epaulets, of which we loved even faster.
      2. Misantrop
        +2
        28 February 2013 20: 35
        Quote: rkka
        to break the barracks into small rooms for 4 people, so ...
        ... the duty officer ran around all night, checking what exactly the soldiers were doing in these rooms
        1. +2
          28 February 2013 20: 43
          Misantrop,
          The women in the closets will hide what is incomprehensible, in the company they managed to poke from the duty officer, and here the klondike.
          Given the spread of comrades with rainbow-colored views of the world, I think the general barracks are preferable.
          1. Misantrop
            0
            28 February 2013 21: 26
            Quote: carbofo
            women in the closets will hide

            Optimist wink A woman is still a flower. But the military personnel of the neighboring unit is quite an interesting orientation ... winked
            1. 0
              1 March 2013 11: 16
              Misantrop,
              Well, the facts about some units that distinguished themselves in the field of services to rainbow-flagged lovers of unconventional sexual addictions do have a place to be, there was a kind of journalistic film about this, I don’t remember whose one.
              In my time, I do not recall cases of this kind, only women.
              It was a funny one from the point of view of common sense, but a very real episode when our Khmm gifted and vodka-motivated fighters stormed - from the words of the company - the house of one mademoiselle, which is called by all the rules of military art, the knowledge of which was not seen during the service, and it came to warning shots of police officers who came to this event.
              So sperm toxicosis is a serious problem if you do not take up useful personnel and do not give instructions on the morality and ethics of the military man, unfortunately now it is even worse with this.
              At one time, I was in military service and watching how they were preparing for the oath and I couldn’t turn right and left, I couldn’t resist and expressed my point of view on what was happening, the sergeant really nearly died with laughter, and the fighters seemed to me to not understand, apparently the difference in upbringing had already affected then. Or maybe I'm just that.
  6. +6
    28 February 2013 10: 21
    Thought it over here
    The collapse of agriculture is to blame. For a country boy, the army was a vacation and dear to life. It wasn’t a strain for him to get up at 6 in the morning (of course, after all, in his native village I got up at 4 in the morning), wave a shovel (try to dig up the entire parent garden), well, the other loads for him were a warm-up, no more.
    But when the youth in droves rushed into the city, not finding a use for themselves in their native village, here is kirdyk. To a man who grew up in a city apartment and works in an office, and there is nowhere to thread at the machine, everything is much more complicated, he does not have such a habit of work as in the countryside ...
    It turned out messy, but I hope that the main idea I still conveyed hi
    Immediately I say, this is purely my subjective opinion, I do not pretend to the ultimate truth hi
    1. Hon
      +7
      28 February 2013 11: 44
      In the Soviet army, draftees from cities served in the same way as village draftees, and mowing was not accepted anywhere.
      1. +3
        28 February 2013 11: 51
        Well, yes, I read it right now, I realized that I missed a lot of things when I wrote.
        I apologize, Bati had a jubilee yesterday, he still walks an aclogol in his head .. wassat
      2. +3
        28 February 2013 13: 36
        Quote: Hon
        In the Soviet army, draftees from cities served in the same way as village draftees, and mowing was not accepted anywhere.

        In Soviet times, military service was an HONORARY DUTY !!!
        Education from a young age is a must! And remember how evenings in schools, clubs and even matinees in kindergartens were arranged on February 23rd, where they tried to invite the military, cadets, sailors! How the children looked at them! I'm not talking about girls! And how the "civilians" "lost" to them! Want to laugh - but that was also an incentive!
    2. Fox
      +2
      28 February 2013 14: 02
      [quote = Landwarrior]

      I agree. + 100. The tribe went into the army, so he said that he was like in a rest house. Although he served in the military intelligence. The frame came on the hell! He lived in the village, and the other tribe lived in the city ... how he ached!
      1. Hon
        0
        28 February 2013 14: 09
        Quote: Fox
        I agree. + 100. The tribe went to the army, so he said that he was like in a rest house, although he served in military intelligence.

        My brother served in intelligence. He said that in the army he realized how hardy a person can be. He is also rustic. It does not fit somehow with a holiday home.
  7. +7
    28 February 2013 10: 33
    My personal opinion is that an appeal to the service should begin at the age of 21.
    That is, an adult young man with a secondary, secondary technical or specialized secondary education already. Perhaps already married.
    And that there was "hazing" among adult men is doubtful, because it did not exist before the war, during the Second World War and after until the 60s.
    And then return to the army the officers-educators.
    1. Alikovo
      +1
      28 February 2013 10: 40
      21 is a bit late, 20 years is the best option. soldier
      1. basis
        +2
        28 February 2013 12: 44
        21-23 years old. 18-year-old snot is not needed not for officers, not for sergeants. Many fragile organisms do not withstand mainly moral pressure and break, as it were, to put it mildly. In civilian life, they later come to their senses, but the consequences are not known. In every men's number there is always someone who is weaker, and if he is still 18 years old ...
        And the attractiveness of the service will rise as much as it fell, one could buy everyone (salaries, salaries, scholarships), but they will steal it.
        1. +3
          28 February 2013 13: 05
          Quote: bazis
          21-23 years old. 18-year-old snot is not needed not for officers, not for sergeants. Many fragile organisms do not withstand mainly moral pressure and break, as it were, to put it mildly. In civilian life, they later come to their senses, but the consequences are not known. In every men's number there is always someone who is weaker, and if he is still 18 years old ...

          In any team there is a person who ironically will get bumps.
          Yes, and not everyone will like only to interrupt his career, military service, we do not have Switzerland.
          1. -1
            28 February 2013 13: 29
            And the call to extend to 35 years! And let him hide in the corners until 35 hits.
      2. 0
        3 March 2013 13: 55
        Yes, and 18 is normal until a person is formed to drive something useful into him !! And 21-23 is already an accomplished person with his own concepts and habits.
    2. +2
      28 February 2013 10: 51
      By the way, yes! And remove the grace period for university students. It hurts a lot, because in our country there are managers and economists.
      1. rereture
        0
        28 February 2013 20: 44
        Can you imagine how students live? Especially in technical universities, it was already difficult to catch up there. And if you miss a year somewhere, then it’s generally impossible.

        I would have served it myself, but asthma.
    3. +2
      28 February 2013 13: 03
      GOLUBENKO,
      Hazing among men is exactly the same as boys, only men are more difficult to intimidate.
      It is necessary to call upon a young 18 year old who has a lot of energy in his underpants, and to occupy his brain, which is not fragile with social dogmas, with professional training.
    4. +1
      28 February 2013 20: 38
      Nah. There will not be much difference. It all depends on the person. if he's in 21-27-shit, it's useless. All the same, it starts with a citizen. Everything depends on the person. You can be a sloop physically, but make your colleagues, classmates respected (I think it’s not at the expense of strength, many qualities must be present), etc. And you can be physically strong, but .... Turn out to be an outcast. Saw.
  8. Son
    Son
    0
    28 February 2013 10: 41
    GUYS ..! Read the title of the article ...- "(incomplete collection of options)" ...
  9. Leroy
    +2
    28 February 2013 11: 07
    I liked the latest initiative. Where students will be able to serve in the army while studying. If this still happens where the platoon will be organized from students of the stream, then generally good, nor any hazing.

    And so, I myself was at the training camp from the military department, in a month I saw enough of such a circus, and the colonels threw fire-extinguishers at night from the windows drunk, and they forced the beds to be counted at night, and the floor of the platoon ran off into the air. I think few people want such an army.
  10. +3
    28 February 2013 11: 30
    Quote: Leroy

    I liked the latest initiative. Where students will be able to serve in the army while studying. If this still happens where the platoon will be organized from students of the stream, then generally good, nor any hazing.

    And so, I myself was at the training camp from the military department, in a month I saw enough of such a circus, and the colonels threw fire-extinguishers at night from the windows drunk, and they forced the beds to be counted at night, and the floor of the platoon ran off into the air. I think few people want such an army.

    "Partisans" are not an army, but a unit commander's hemorrhoids.
  11. +6
    28 February 2013 12: 04
    Return the initial military training to schools and finally open technical classes for children!
    Since childhood, many have become acquainted with the army and military equipment in school circles or in the houses of pioneers.
  12. galiullinrasim
    +3
    28 February 2013 12: 06
    they’ll take them into the army and make of you a man saying wounds. I didn’t like it was not a citizen. But if you have poor health, there is an alternative service and it should be longer. if not a disabled person should serve. students should be called up immediately after school and not at the time, so it will be more beneficial for them to pay for their studies after the army, even the hostel and where the money comes from after the army. After urgent homework I got 3 kopecks left in my pocket. If I want to build a house, then give me a plot and building materials for the state account through the military enlistment office and not local authorities. Because they can say how I didn’t send you there. thanks for the article
  13. +6
    28 February 2013 12: 39
    Take all the positive from the experience of the Union. And right here they say: did not serve, not a citizen. And such a road to the police, the Ministry of Emergencies, etc. closed. In the USSR they did not consider to be defective.
    1. +1
      28 February 2013 13: 09
      Seaman,
      This is not necessary, at least military training in the Ministry of Emergencies is not necessary for the doctor, but for the rank and file of the police, I think the very thing, for the officers, I think it will not hurt to arrange a field year during my studies.
      1. Misantrop
        0
        28 February 2013 20: 40
        Quote: carbofo
        at least to the doctor military training in the Ministry of Emergencies is optional
        And where else is he supervised by elders will find so much practical experience in providing medical care?
        1. 0
          1 March 2013 11: 22
          Misantrop,
          Well, yes, calluses abscesses, abrasions, this is a serious honey preparation!
          Better in an ambulance for a month and then there will be more sense.
          But after medical training, for example: 3 months of the initial military, 3 months of field exits as part of the unit, like a fighter and a nurse, then military field training and field studies again, there are options so that the training process does not interrupt and annual military training takes place , it is not difficult to think over and implement it, only for this you have to think.
  14. +2
    28 February 2013 13: 04
    In Ukraine, when hiring for the majority of prestigious companies, priority will be given to those who have served in the army — this is also an option for the Russian Federation.
    In "hot spots" should be special forces, contract soldiers, and not just recruited youth.
    Ukraine also encourages conscripts by the fact that there is an opportunity to get into the "peacekeepers", again a competition for conscripts and those who have served. Many acquaintances among the former peacekeepers are almost all very happy, especially from the countryside.
    The schools removed the so-called ideological disciplines, but there is no replacement.
    There is no IDEOLOGY in the country.
    A lot of dirt was poured on the army in the beginning of 90 by the current feathered-swamp pigeons. And from the current media there is no positive effect.
    4 newspapers can do more than 100000 Napoleon army.
    PS Napoleon closed 160 of the 173 Paris newspapers, and placed the rest under the control of the government.
  15. +5
    28 February 2013 13: 10
    Something one lyrics. Safety at Abramovich can be absolute, but at his property? I don’t really want to protect his oil wells.
    Firstly, a soldier in the army should learn to fight, not serve the needs of officers and not sit in barracks. Then there will be no instability and many other problems.
    Secondly, to create a system of benefits and preferences. At a university without an exam. In officials and civil service without service in the army. Benefits for housing loans, etc.
    Thirdly. Everyone should serve the state. Flat feet - go to the duck hospital, scoliosis - go condoms along the roads, collect yards, see your eyes - go with a scribble. and so on. other other Release only disabled people. Then the conscript will think - what’s better for him — to pick up the guns in the neighboring town or shoot from the machine gun. There is another plus - get rid of migrant workers. at least partially.
    1. Fox
      +2
      28 February 2013 14: 10
      Quote: Beard
      Everyone should serve the state.

      an example from the Soviet past: Vasily Moldovan served in the unit with me, he didn’t have a forefinger on his right hand. he deceived everything from the medical board to serve and served. 90x a neighbor in the military enlistment office wore a bribe ... WHAT TO GO to serve.
    2. +1
      28 February 2013 14: 15
      Quote: Beard
      At a university without an exam.

      And then kick out for failure.
      Exams should be.
      Out-of-competition enrollment is needed, as it is now.
  16. +2
    28 February 2013 14: 02
    Quote: Beard
    Firstly, a soldier in the army should learn to fight, not serve the needs of officers and not sit in barracks. Then there will be no instability and many other problems.
    Secondly, to create a system of benefits and preferences. At a university without an exam. In officials and civil service without service in the army. Benefits for housing loans, etc.
    Thirdly. Everyone should serve the state.


    Rather, I will agree with all the points ... Except for the "university without an exam". Rather, d. preparatory departments.

    Well and 12 month. - this is not a deadline ... At least - 2 a year, so that, to learn something to do ...
    1. 0
      28 February 2013 14: 31
      antiaircrafter,
      I agree.
  17. 0
    28 February 2013 14: 17
    My suggestions for the "incomplete meeting"

    A citizen (women are not discussed here for psycho-physiological reasons) or is a defender of society - or is not a full-fledged citizen, like a dependent (children, patients, etc.) with a corresponding restriction of rights. And in general, the status of a people's army, for example, as in Switzerland, seems to me the most attractive. The only requirement for the mandatory possession of firearms is worth it.

    And the army will become attractive when it gives something comparable to the time spent in the service, time and health in the first place.
    1. The simplest thing is money. You have to pay.
    2. The most difficult thing is a high level of socialization.
    Here is the second point and it makes sense to add to the main tasks of the army in peacetime and then carefully discuss. Moreover, for draftees and professionals, the criteria are very different. A conscript must receive good skills, professions, benefits and rights in the army for further social growth. The contractor, in addition, has a socio-economic status above average, like a professional warrior.
  18. Hon
    0
    28 February 2013 14: 20
    Two years ago a photo was taken. In this army, everyone is so actively calling to serve ?!
    1. 0
      3 March 2013 13: 58
      Girls in the photo wink half of them would have wrapped ears in this vest in a vest, and that’s why they were brought up as girls, it was necessary to give sports to the section !!!
  19. +1
    28 February 2013 15: 31
    Quote: Hon
    My friend left the army with category A1, and after 6 months B. came in. The stool on the head added a lot of health.


    the army is still not a recreation center, for a large number of young men in one barracks always leads to the fact that someone will be humiliated if an officer scores for his work with personnel
    1. vladsolo56
      0
      28 February 2013 17: 37
      What kind of army is this where, instead of helping and defending, it is imperative that someone is humiliated and humiliated?
      1. +1
        28 February 2013 20: 47
        vladsolo56,
        This is a herd of sperm-toxicized imbeciles, which need not only to be managed but also to occupy them just enough that they would not rest from overwork, but there was not enough strength for unnecessary exploits.
    2. Misantrop
      0
      28 February 2013 20: 45
      Quote: Bad
      if an officer scores for his work with personnel

      And if he is forced to earn extra money at night, so that his family does not starve, since almost the entire salary goes to rent housing? Then he will serve a lot during the day?
      1. 0
        1 March 2013 11: 27
        Misantrop,
        It’s easy to work out about housing, it’s just that everything comes down to dents, in fact, just nobody wants to think out a normal scheme, for example, whoever settles an officer for himself receives money from the Ministry of Defense, not the officer, and does not pay tax, fees state.
        All that is higher than state rates is covered by the officer, if the housing is of high comfort. It’s easy to come up with a mechanism for families to rent apartments or buy, also at state prices, only how to do it normally if everyone is used to stealing !!!!,
  20. Andof odessa
    +1
    28 February 2013 16: 00
    One point does nothing. Need a complex. for example 1 non-citizen did not serve, 2 all officers start with a sergeant post (to combat hazing). 3 Propaganda 3.1 Censorship of films where the army is shown by the crowd and cattle. 3.2 State order for patriotic and historically reliable film production. 4 Creation of alternative service in particularly difficult and non-prestigious areas for a period of 5 years (leper colony, orderlies in fools and nursing homes, etc.) for physically incapable of serving in line units. 5 Creating normal conditions for service. 6 Intensive military training. 7 Conducting psychological and physical training oriented towards after-service use (I honestly don’t know what to offer, at least Wushu or yoga or something like that). like that. hi
    1. vladsolo56
      0
      28 February 2013 17: 39
      Propaganda, films, and that those who served and arrived home, shut up their mouth so that they would not tell how he was served?
      1. Corporal
        +3
        28 February 2013 18: 36
        I am sure that what is wrong should be shown on TV. And the way it should be. Yes, a lie. But when I was growing up, I believed that our whole country, all adults are great, courageous people, workers and scientists, builders of communism. I read "The Secret of Two Oceans" and believed that there was only a submarine out of fiction. That is, the ideal was the norm for me. And the fact that "some" came across in life, they were considered exceptions.

        And now chernachus is pouring from everywhere. And it seems that this is the norm, and good, honest citizens, officials, police are exceptions.

        This, I think, is one of the main problems of our people. Dirt has become the norm.
        1. 0
          28 February 2013 20: 54
          Corporal,
          A change of stereotype, then gays were considered outcasts and there were few of them, now it is "wow" and to look around and everyone around is not the same as it is not fashionable to look like D "artanyan against the background of this decomposition.
      2. 0
        28 February 2013 20: 51
        vladsolo56,
        Well, for example, the Americans are not embarrassed, they in every film for example: "Sea Battle" "Battle of Los Angeles" prove to the whole world that they are the coolest.
        We seem to be starting to make such a movie, for example, I liked the films "9th Company" "We are from the Future", "August the Eighth" are not blockbusters, but they have their own audience.
      3. Andof odessa
        0
        1 March 2013 14: 07
        You did not read carefully what I wrote. Propaganda is one of the elements. alone he does not solve anything without creating normal conditions of service. but normal conditions without propaganda will not do anything to get rid of the stereotype created by stories about how bad it was in school and how I later recouped being a grandfather can only correct propaganda where it is shown WHAT a NORMAL serviceman should be. otherwise, the young soldier will have no other options but to endure then kidding. and then the stories about the army will be different
  21. Corporal
    +4
    28 February 2013 17: 25
    I quit in the 94th from the air defense (VKS).
    All that I learned from there is the communication skills of very different people in a closed environment. A kind of prison experience. All.

    I didn’t shoot a machine gun, I didn’t march, there was no physical education, nothing.
    Only shifts and sleep and outfits. And the understanding that "our officers", who have failed absolutely all training and exercises, are defending our country.

    For this happiness I gave a year and a half. 3 military specialties are absolutely unnecessary in the civilian world. There is no reason for pride and respect. There is no feeling of debt owed to the motherland.

    Just wasted time. Soldier's salary cannot be fixed. Consider citizens served? Not a sign of decency. Instability? But as? Where to get the right officers and where to get the old ones?
    1. 0
      28 February 2013 20: 56
      Corporal,
      Even those skills that you got are not useless in life, the only question is whether it was worth it.
  22. 0
    28 February 2013 18: 06
    A normal person usually likes weapons, military equipment, just to shoot from a machine gun or a pistol. Why does the army cause such a negative? In my opinion, it's all about discipline. She is conscious and unconscious. If a person (for example, a contractor) understands why he joined the army, he does not do things out of a stick, he is interested in doing it well.
    The system of discipline of conscripted soldiers is a system of suppression of personality. A person must execute the order like a robot, without asking questions or reasoning. As a result, we get hazing, as a result of relations of suppression of personality.
    How to make the service attractive? Add an element of competition to it, encourage initiative and not punish it.
    1. 0
      28 February 2013 20: 57
      Metlik,
      When people are faced with the fact that you need not only to ride on a sled, but 99% of the time to carry them, then the romance ends.
      1. 0
        28 February 2013 21: 52
        carbofo (2)
        Take the trouble to read the post to the end, it is about discipline, and not about sledding.
        1. 0
          1 March 2013 11: 34
          Metlik,
          As you probably noticed, I put it not literally.
          The contractor comes to the army for money, some of them know how and love to fight, but there are not many of them.
          May, for example, understands weapons well, I know that little ballistics was good in the past, but I don’t like weapons. Although I love him :)
          The army is a mechanism to achieve the goal, so the soldier must obey orders, and all preparation is reduced to obeying orders.
          Hazing is relations between soldiers that go beyond the scope of military service; they have nothing to do with the implementation of orders and the principle of submission; this is closer to zone issues.
          The army is generally saturated with competition, in one form or another, for example, I have a badge for running, and although I didn’t extend the standard, the political officer for the third place in the standings handed it to me, then they could be carried in bags.
          I understand that he did not deserve it, and I did not wear it on a uniform, but it is he who is dear to me as a reward for work, not for a medal we do business, but a reward is an assessment of your efforts and achievements.
          And money, they need only just to live, not for everyone they are a serious motive.
  23. 0
    28 February 2013 18: 12
    But what about the Russian spirit, patriotic education, a sense of duty to the fatherland !!!!!!!!!!! All of the above options are not acceptable to me !!! WELCOME EDUCATION OF YOUTH - THERE IS A BETTER OF OUR FUTURE !!!!
    1. Corporal
      0
      28 February 2013 18: 23
      What a fellow you are !!!!!!!!!!

      I’ll add one point from myself: All the bad ones must be shot.
      1. 0
        28 February 2013 20: 58
        Corporal,
        Don't you love the government, oh don't you love
  24. +1
    28 February 2013 18: 42
    You tell me dear ones;
    I’m in my last year, I’m working, what kind of career and growth I’m already, I live on my own, at my own expense, I don’t need a civil service (I don’t get into goodbye, I really like it in the private sector) I don’t think I’m a sissy, and with my head everything seems to be in order, I have basic skills in handling small arms, I go in for sports, what a year in the army can give me, I’m not talking about duty, and not about stupid election rights, I don’t see any reason to go to them -Fars is one that will give me a lost year in the army, besides the fact that I have to re-search for work and generally settle in for a new one?

    So for myself, I am inclined to go to graduate school and continue to work, again, housing in a mortgage will run so much in a year that at least do not return from the army ...
    Ps after school, I did not run from the army, did not call in the summer, I entered a university and began to live on
  25. buratino84
    -1
    28 February 2013 18: 51
    Fuck what a bunch of Soviet perdunov.
    What the fuck duty? I forgive all my debts, this applies to the toilet generals of this site.
    What the hell am I supposed to go to your stinky slaughter for, where I will either be crippled, catch an illness, or just die.
    Tell about your debts to fighters who have recently died of a cold.

    The second fucking thing about the decomposition of morality. In Soviet times, you went because no one would ask you a whore, and not because you were such moralists. You are cattle and no more. But Scott does not discuss, he goes where they tell him.

    The only plus of this generation is that I like you can strictly send a fuck with your duty and morality. Ueebani like you are doing hazing, telling others how to love their homeland. Neher measure by yourself. The love of the motherland is expressed first of all not by devouring shit and patience, but by rebuffing injustice. And such shit-eaters like you do not give the country a single chance for a change for the better, because the same bastards like you shot people in the Gulag loving their homeland. And other people died from their bullets without reconciling with all the blasphemy that was going on.



    What the fuck men? what the fuck experience? build generals cottages? to die from a cold ?.
    The words of typical drunks have not achieved anything in their lives.
    His fables about a man should be able to do everything and wave a shovel, tell your children morons underdeveloped, whose horizon will be limited to this.

    It’s not difficult to prepare 100 million weebans with shovels, it’s harder to prepare 100 million scientists and give them your fucking shovels.
    At that time, when you remove the shit at the base with your pickaxe, I will solve global problems in the office to give work to such am with shovels.
    And I'm sitting there warming my ass, not because this fucking place is like that, but because I had a fucking brain to graduate from school and go to university, while you shit kneading in your Army. And who now will bring more benefit to his country ?.
    To love a homeland does not mean to haft shit. Einstein also loved his homeland, but this does not mean that he should help Hitler in his crimes.




    You fucking mockery is simple.
    Really fucked up already.
    Reasoning like the 14 year old jerks or the under-drunk intellectuals.

    It is better to die hungry and free standing on one’s feet, than a well-fed slime kneeling in front of the ass of the state.

    Grammar specifically left so that would not rub your shit site.
    You can even shit post shit, you still pieces of shit no more.
  26. +1
    28 February 2013 19: 07
    Interesting opinions pop up!
    Although quite common.
    1. What can a year of military service give me? But urgent is a duty. Debt is given to another. In our case, the motherland.
    2. The army is bad. Ahvitser too bad. Not without that. You have to do better. The power to choose to go to the polls, to organize actions, to demand, to lie on the forum.
    But, for now, without her, darling, you can’t. From the Caucasus to the fires of 2010, one cannot cope without an army. Service is labor, hard times, and not shooting sports.
    3. Let them serve under the contract "special miracle heroes". Or the poorest and not thieves. We, by and large, do not care, if only not me. Yes
    And we are not, we’ll lose a year. crying You might think such creators, a lot of things will be done in a year. lol
    But there is not enough "heroes" for the whole of Russia. Not enough, yes.
    Homeland needs heroes, but they give birth, they are more likely to raise, whom? Correctly. Their.
    That is, they dance one way out, that is, they all serve. Except for the disabled. Prepare to defend the Fatherland in a real way. And military service, like any government in the country, needs to be improved, "polished", as the Supreme Commander said the other day.
    And what to serve (work) is not hunting, so this is not news, it always has been.
    Maybe only under Peter there was a hunt, when they gave out an extensive "wine portion" laughing And even that, by no means everyone.
    1. +1
      28 February 2013 19: 35
      Something is somehow strange with you, they say that you didn’t serve what you need, you won’t get into the officials, there are privileges in the university, and as it turns out that this is not necessary for nothing, you stupidly owe everything, I didn’t get a loan, and that the state didn’t give me much (I had to pay for everything, I still remember the fees at school, and I say again, this was a year old for the boys at age 18, matured after school and started the journey into a big life, and those who are older Well, imagine at age 26, or how some people want to call a person at age 34, especially family-fucking happiness, he certainly will happily run his debt!

      By the way, if there was an opportunity to officially pay the military fee not to serve, I think a lot of people would use it, just not a million, as some pustboorehs scream from TV, but the real amount, say 120-150 thousand, then why not, at almost any job in a year you will earn more ... and here it is necessary to consider that not one who bought off for himself should "hire" a contractor for a year, but simply as a duty and assistance to the state
      1. redwolf_13
        0
        1 March 2013 11: 15
        And why do you think that the real figure is 120-150 thousand ??? Because it’s so convenient for you, or according to your words, you will earn more in any job for the year. Well, like 10 rubles I did not mind throwing it away and forgot it. Well, if the conversation is such that you want to buy off the army. That is, that a person would be taken for your money. That for you it should be a burden. So 1,5 -2 mil. rub it just right. Or do you think that the state spends less on you. Dress, put on shoes, feed, give housing, provide a place to study, ammunition for your training, as well as provide specially trained people for your training, as well as physical and psychological education. It costs a lot of money. Well, if you talk about finances and you are ready to pay, then why not. I think that the price is real.
  27. +1
    28 February 2013 19: 55
    Once again, the normal logic ... is the debt to the Motherland. For some reason I owe her, and she owes me? She, the motherland, can give me an apartment worth my pay for five years all the penny .... she can in the form of a police officer e. ..there’s a brain for me because I don’t have a registration in St. Petersburg, although I work and pay more taxes than the same police officer ... why there is no registration - see the paragraph above. in general, my homeland can give me a lot, but - it shouldn’t. And nevertheless I have to. And this idiocy is everywhere you look .... I owe it to me, no. Maybe it’s easier - whoever wants to serve, who doesn’t want, let it pay tax not 13, but 25 percent ... yes, a sea of ​​options in fact. but then a citizen, not a citizen ....
    1. Corporal
      0
      28 February 2013 21: 53
      That is, while you were growing up, the state provided you with at least protection, in the form of police and army, medical care, education, infrastructure, a roof over your head. Do you take this for granted? Because you are so beautiful and good?

      This is what is called "slander" and phimosis of the brain. When an adult, using all the benefits of the state to the fullest, considers everything only his personal merit.

      Ethiopian citizens dying of starvation can complain about their state, I will not blame them.
      1. +1
        28 February 2013 22: 49
        Well, let's put a roof over my head was not provided by the state, but by my parents with their hump. Yes, and there was another state in childhood. The police and others like them have never done anything good to me personally, maybe there were no reasons? What benefits, dear? Food and a rented apartment? Medical services? So with the current policy they send from everywhere, although according to the law they should not. "Go to the place of registration" I'm there 10 o'clock. So, die? And for bashli, it's easy, wherever and whatever you want. Judging by your nickname, you served, and I respect your opinion. But personally I do not want to spend time uselessly, besides completely free. Many friends served, and apart from some miserable bitterness, they could not bear anything from there.
        1. Corporal
          0
          28 February 2013 23: 04
          And in another state, your parents would have earned you a bowl of rice with the same hump. And would be happy.

          That is, if the police personally did not personally provide you with any services, then you would have lived this life without the police?

          Another state? That is, is changing a sign enough? Let's introduce a new law, a criminal committed a crime, we change his name and release him.

          Okay, apparently I am the explainer of the "wrong system".
          1. Hon
            0
            1 March 2013 09: 05
            Quote: Efreytor
            That is, if the police personally did not personally provide you with any services, then you would have lived this life without the police

            Just do not need about the police (police). In our life, this has long been a source of danger, and not a guarantee of security.
  28. +1
    28 February 2013 20: 04
    In my opinion, several important points have been missed. For example, holiday pay.

    The soldiers are locked, in fact, as in prison, for a year.

    A vacation system, weekly, Or if there is no way to let go to the nearest city every week - monthly, for several days in a row.

    The second is a different level of requirements for commanders and attitudes towards soldiers.
    1. Misantrop
      0
      28 February 2013 20: 55
      Quote: Pimply
      The soldiers are locked, in fact, as in prison, for a year.

      A vacation system, weekly, Or if there is no way to let go to the nearest city every week - monthly, for several days in a row.

      When he serves in the city - layoffs and so on. And if in a remote garrison, where, in addition to several houses of military families and a couple of shops, there is not a damn for a couple of hundred kilometers? Where and to whom will he go, to the commander’s wife, while he is dressed? While serving in the Navy for 3 years, during this time the fighters had two vacations, each for a month (without a road). And from this incomplete year (yes minus KMB) to throw off another third on holidays? And what will remain, a couple of months? WHAT can you teach during this time?
      1. 0
        28 February 2013 21: 29
        When he serves in the city - layoffs and so on

        Not always. When I served with us in the unit in the blockade, only those who came to the service from the same region were released, but the blockages were not given to others ....
      2. 0
        1 March 2013 03: 42
        Even in a remote garrison, if desired, normal dismissal arrangements can be made. It would be a desire. It's all about him
        1. Hon
          +1
          1 March 2013 09: 13
          Yeah, my friend served 2 days, and two nights, for half a year each. We are not like Israel, the territory is large. There are friends in Moscow and Saratov who served in their own cities, by agreement, they were released home for the weekend. A classmate served in the Strategic Rocket Forces, he didn’t have a single loss at all when he was demobilized, it was even psychologically difficult to get used to, because he was not in the army.
    2. redwolf_13
      +1
      1 March 2013 05: 53
      Let go on a weekend in the Kuril Islands or in Siberia. A friend of mine served in a unit so to the nearest village 4 yards in 150 yards. This is a vacation. Yes, dear, you forgot there is such a thing as dismissal. This promotion is given for 10 hours. Enough. I honestly can’t imagine. Well, they gave you a 2-day stint in an unfamiliar city. What will you do there ???
    3. 0
      1 March 2013 11: 40
      Pimply,
      Kindergarten.
  29. rubber_duck
    +2
    28 February 2013 20: 16
    The recipe (for capitalist society) is simple, it is enough to pay normal money content to the military personnel. Pay an ordinary twenty, and a sergeant - thirty-five, so the medical board will be picked up in conscripts, and not in eighteen-year-old fools, but in men for twenty-five years (yes, in Russia there is not only Moscow)!


    And who today will give a 100% guarantee that all these "increased amounts of cash allowance" will reach exclusively the draftee, and will begin to walk in the pockets of, say, other interested parties.

    But this is "five plus" !!! That is, they will still steal, therefore, it is not fucking steaming! That is, total theft is already seen as a natural course of events ...

    Like, I won’t go for the sake of “your” Abramovichs with Deripaska and various Vekselbergs to guard the borders ... The argument, of course, is entertaining, but obviously from the category “so that I can come up with something like this, so that I can sit behind someone else’s backs”.

    And about the oligarchs, why juggle something? If the author has decided to put everything on a patriotic basis, then the question is, why do these bitches get rich on our blood, he is extremely burning ... Do you have an answer to it? .. And people do not want to send their children to the army, remembering the First Chechen ...

    when people who have a different view of the value of your life will suddenly burst into your school (as in Beslan), your hospital (as in Budyonnovsk), your theater (as in Dubrovka)

    And again, if the examples of Beslan, Budyonnovsk and Dubrovka should appeal to our patriotism, then again there is no need to distort. What does the army have to do with it? If it is "to do with", then it should act in accordance with the statutes, and all diplomacy and sweating in the face of the "world community" should be undertaken by diplomats. And the army, it must DESTROY the enemy. And the questions there are more and more in terms, distances and consumption of fuels and lubricants and ammunition, and not in investigations (worth, among other things, millions) on the subject, a fragment of a bomb dropped by some sadist from the Air Force hit the head of the unfortunate Chechen to kid. That is, if there is a war, then leave the soldiers behind (the United States is a good example of attitudes towards its military personnel)! Or solve problems in another way ...

    Indeed, at the level of the notorious corruption that exists today, anyone can get the diagnosis they need

    Author, do you perceive corruption as a law of nature? Why the hell, let me ask, did you write this article?
  30. bubble82009
    0
    28 February 2013 20: 20
    What the hell is hazing? when billions are stolen in the army
  31. GP
    GP
    +1
    28 February 2013 22: 09
    I think so, until the Army is fully integrated into society there will be problems.
    The bottom line is that the army is a natural stage in the development of personality of both boys and girls. Great stupidity to tear young boys with wildly playing harmonies from girls and clog among their own kind. At the historical stage of the formation of a regular army, general conscription is a big qualitative step forward. A professional army, alas, is not much different from mercenary, the essence is the same.
    The army as a stage in a strict vertical kindergarten-school-army (where any first profession is mastered) is a higher school. There is no hazing at school or at the university, the answer is obvious - a purely social problem is based on seniority and the superiority of the material learned. Combine the 2-9 grades of the school in 10 years, for example, hazing will appear in a mild form there too: imagine that the training of 9th graders will be partially assigned to the final grade 10, which whistle will begin and that patriotism will not restore order.
    Those. it is worth stopping to perceive the army as some kind of compulsory huge enterprise where they put it on a mandatory basis, moreover, tearing off "one tit" (mother) and severely restricting access to another (wife, girlfriend), forcing young guys either to stick to the service to get distracted, or satisfaction, breaking down on someone to get it; in both cases, of course, a character will develop, that's just what happens now and there is a subject for discussion.

    Three-year service on a rotational basis a month after a month for the first 2 years, with emphasis on theory and physical training, the last year of practice. At the end (21-22 years), an exam with the assignment of a specialty and a ticket to a specialized university.
    That's just from 21-22 year old boys and girls to form an army on a professional basis, with promotion in service, merit, advanced training.

    The statement of thought was confused, but I hope it is clear.
    1. +1
      28 February 2013 22: 20
      Quote: GP
      Three-year service on a rotational basis a month after a month for the first 2 years, with emphasis on theory and physical training, the last year of practice.


      And why are such encyclopedists needed in the troops? In a war, knowledge is good, but if you get into a batch, they will not help. There will be no time to think. It will work out that you were hammered into you at the subconscious level. They hammered, frankly, the training method, although some higher mammals do not like this definition of training.

      And you try to train a dog like this, "on watch a month after a month for the first 2 years with an emphasis on theory and physical training" What will you get? The result will be zero.
      1. GP
        GP
        0
        28 February 2013 22: 57
        Lopatov
        Quote: GP
        Three-year service on a rotational basis a month after a month for the first 2 years, with emphasis on theory and physical training, the last year of practice. At the end (21-22 years), an exam with the assignment of a specialty and a ticket to a specialized university.
        Here is just from 21-22 year old boys and girls to form an army on a professional basis, with promotion in service, merit, advanced training.


        To date, the army is formed of 18 summer boys with 10 classes and zero special knowledge. Is it better in your opinion?

        Quote: Spade
        And why are such encyclopedists needed in the troops? In a war, knowledge is good, but if you get into a batch, they will not help. There will be no time to think. It will work out that you were hammered into you at the subconscious level. They hammered, frankly, the training method, although some higher mammals do not like this definition of training.


        Like it, not like it ... we don't guess on a camomile. If for you a fighter is a mammal with drilled reflexes by the training method. Not surprisingly, the army, unfortunately, is somewhat reminiscent of a circus, with this approach. From the same series: "We will chop up tanks with a saber, they are made of cardboard", "a bullet is a fool - a bayonet well done", etc. - really why think, the main thing is reflexes.
        1. -1
          28 February 2013 23: 06
          Quote: GP
          If for you a fighter is a mammal with hammered reflexes by the training method. It is not surprising that the army, unfortunately, is somewhat reminiscent of a circus


          That's exactly what I warned about. Some who consider themselves the pinnacle of the food chain don't like it when they call them by their proper names.

          I myself was trained. There is no other name. And you know, it helped. While some people think what to do, I already do.
  32. deonnisi
    -3
    28 February 2013 22: 21
    let dummies like you go to the army ..... and at this time we will copulate with your girlfriends and mothers and make money ... without a sucker life is hard like you ... try
    1. -1
      28 February 2013 22: 29
      And will you spend the earned money on the maintenance of uncles from the military registration and enlistment office? Same thing. They are poor guys, and there are enough suckers to help them.
    2. redwolf_13
      +1
      1 March 2013 02: 38
      Ba We have wound up another "Fat Troll" which will be sick of the minuses. Until then, you are lucky. Only here Pupsik here you are pink and helpless. It’s probably difficult to hide and run from the SCARY military commissar every year and have to feed him and his family. You feed him and his appetites grow. Yes, baby. Here's one pity. They gave you a passport. Can you imagine how bad it would be if the "Passport" was given only after the army. You bring a bunch of certificates that you served her as a military commissar and with an honest look you go and receive a passport. Here is beauty. And I ran and was added with a birth certificate and you are 37 years old, no work is not taken anywhere. There is no passport. And you come to get your passport. And there on the first page a stamp as a BRAND did not serve. And you have no work skills for 38 years already, the employer already doesn’t need you as a specialist, it’s gone. And our "pink pupsik" goes half the street and cries calling himself a fool. Well this is so dreams
      And now have fun Pupsik you as a preschool child in a circle of adults I want to insert a word and all by
  33. makarich26
    +3
    28 February 2013 23: 13
    Only the next will help to make military service
    FAIR PATRIOTIC WAR.
    Only then will the people recover from 25 years of brainwashing and remember the sacred duty to protect their Fatherland, their identity, history, and be cleansed of Tolerasts of all stripes.
    But, as the experience of history shows, in 40 years it will again forget about everything ..... Until the next holy war.
    It is sad.
    And in peacetime, especially now, neither the salary increase, nor the showing on all channels of pseudo-patriotic pseudo-historical films, nor appeals in schools (and the introduction of NVP lessons) will help to raise the prestige of the army, because in 25 years we completely destroyed the system of patriotic education, they simply forgot about all the good that our predecessors did for our country.
    The generation that grew up on Pepsi and Pokémon advertising and brought up in the spirit of consumption, JUST DOES NOT UNDERSTAND why it is necessary to join the army and ruin the year of their life there. And no one can explain it to them, because it is inherent in the program of human behavior.
    I will be happy if they prove to me that I am mistaken, and with the rise in the prestige of military service, things are not as I see them.
  34. 0
    1 March 2013 11: 11
    Military service is a kind of testing. She tempers normal people and teaches a lot. The abnormal reveals and determines in its place - the prison. The army makes the body weak, but strong in spirit, and makes people strong in body and self-confident. The weak in spirit, even if strong in body, the army breaks and puts in its place - the servant. In order for the guy to calmly go into the army, parents need to prepare him for this from childhood, and not shake him and not please him.
    I did not allow anyone to humiliate myself in the first year of service and I did not humiliate anyone in the second year of service. And there were most like me. But, unfortunately, a fly in the ointment ...
  35. Sokrat
    0
    1 March 2013 18: 37
    Quote: Misantrop
    Quote: Pimply
    The soldiers are locked, in fact, as in prison, for a year.

    A vacation system, weekly, Or if there is no way to let go to the nearest city every week - monthly, for several days in a row.

    When he serves in the city - layoffs and so on. And if in a remote garrison, where, in addition to several houses of military families and a couple of shops, there is not a damn for a couple of hundred kilometers? Where and to whom will he go, to the commander’s wife, while he is dressed? While serving in the Navy for 3 years, during this time the fighters had two vacations, each for a month (without a road). And from this incomplete year (yes minus KMB) to throw off another third on holidays? And what will remain, a couple of months? WHAT can you teach during this time?

    The charter does not work. Dismissal schedules are kept for pro forma. There should be legal rest days, like a contracted soldier. If it is not possible to use rest days, they should join the main vacation.
  36. +1
    6 March 2013 21: 36
    That's the thing, screw the tank engine, or a cannon.
    Together.
    Variant 1. Increase in cash allowances for draftees. - Comes with any combination of other options.
    Variant 2. Denial of refuseniks to high government posts in the future. - The unconditional option. Service in the state structure is even more responsible than that of a conscript in the army. The mowers will not cope, and are not needed there. They do not need to be determined, the army itself will determine. I didn’t get through the army, and even better with honors - there is nothing to do in the state structure.
    3. To equate instability to undermine defense is to face the truth. It is necessary, at least to someone, and scared. Punish.
    Well, 4 - whatever you want, wait again, the Serdyukov government will not give you any new options.
  37. redwar6
    0
    26 March 2013 22: 56
    People’s government? Communism? No, how the generation is brought up, so it is reflected. Reforms, Many reforms, at least get rid of Soviet technology, develop something new ..

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"