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A prominent expert ruled off the costly armaments program until 2020, which Putin is proud of

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A prominent expert ruled off the costly armaments program until 2020, which Putin is proud of

The ambitious state armaments program up to 2020 of the year, which will cost the Russian budget huge 20 trillions of rubles - the amount that it was “scary to say” to Vladimir Putin himself is unbalanced, almost unrealistic and subject to significant reductions. So says a prominent Russian expert in defense industry and military-technical cooperation, Mikhail Barabanov. Under his leadership, the English-language magazine Moscow Defense Brief, one of the publications of the Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, is published.

In his analysis of the program in Vedomosti, Drums immediately describes the main signs of its inferiority and even harm to the country's economy. Firstly, it is focused on the rapid growth of procurement and defense expenditures as a whole, which is clearly ahead of Russia's economic growth rates and the real growth rates of the Russian budget. Secondly, the program contains overly optimistic price parameters for products purchased under the state defense order. Finally, thirdly, the program is based on overly optimistic timing of the launch into mass production of new types of weapons.

According to the expert, the implementation of the HPV-2020 assumes a completely unrealistic growth rate of Russia's GDP. According to his simple calculations, with the level of military spending that is incorporated in the program, in the 2020 year, the GDP should be approximately 150 trillion rubles, that is, double the GDP of the year 2014. This perspective is clearly a utopia, he argues.

The defense spending system itself does not hold water. First of all, there is a clear bias in favor of purchases of weapons and equipment, including to the detriment of personnel costs. But it is precisely the question of personnel today that is central to the Russian Armed Forces, emphasizes Mikhail Barabanov.

In his opinion, it would be right to put the main task of creating an army of more than 600-700 thousand people with the fastest possible transition to recruitment under a contract. The authorities discourage a lack of financial resources, but they could appear due to cutting back on an extremely expensive armament program, the analyst is convinced.

Obviously superfluous Drums considers the major costs of the fleet. Russia is a land power, but in the LG-2020 for equipment and weapons for the Navy provides almost twice as many funds (about 5 trillion rubles) than for equipment and weapons of the Ground and Airborne Forces (total 2,6 trillion rubles).

To the list of potential cuts naval The costs proposed by the author include any aircraft manufacturing programs, including the Mistral project, which, according to the expert, must be completely abandoned. However, since the construction of the first two amphibious assault ships-docks is already underway in France, and the refusal will cost Russia even more than fulfilling the contract, Barabanov proposes to unconditionally abandon the construction of the next two, already in Russia. At the same time, as a reserve for the future, he considers it necessary to retain the domestic heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" in the Navy.

The Mistral contract, signed under Anatoly Serdyukov, has been scolded a long time ago, but already after the change of leadership of the Ministry of Defense, a truly powerful wave of criticism has risen. One of the sharpest was the January statement by the first deputy head of the Military Industrial Commission under the Russian government, Ivan Kharchenko: he called the purchase of these ships "an absurd initiative" that "caused damage to the industry and the state."

In December, 2012, it was reported that it was allegedly decided to abandon the third and fourth Mistral helicopter carriers, which were to be built already in Russian shipyards. However, a source in the defense ministry then explained that there was no question of a refusal: just the start of construction, which was planned for 2013, is transferred to 2016. And this year, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that the issue of building the third and fourth ships in Russia "will be resolved based on the results of operating the first two ships assembled in French shipyards."

However, there is something to reduce, albeit slightly, in terms of costs for the Ground Forces. So, the expert recommends abandoning the purchase of the most expensive samples until 2020 - tanks program Armata, infantry fighting vehicles of the Kurganets-25 series and heavy self-propelled artillery. They promise to supply them from 2015, but they must be worked out during military trials, and such games take good time for more than one year. So within the framework of the current program, development is unlikely to be completed, the analyst points out.

Finally, with regard to the Strategic Missile Forces, Mikhail Barabanov doubts the need to develop a new liquid intercontinental ballistic missile. The relatively cheap ground-based intercontinental ballistic missiles "Yars" can fully maintain the level of Russia's strategic nuclear forces.

By the way, in the first half of February, the press reported that because of plans to build a new rocket in Moscow, the US’s proposal to go for a new reciprocal reduction of nuclear arsenals was cool. In Russia, fear of indignation of the military and representatives of the military-industrial complex, who have already promised money to create a rocket.
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  1. Mikelanjelo
    Mikelanjelo 27 February 2013 18: 15
    0
    They can only criticize, and nobody knows what to do.
  2. Nevsky
    Nevsky 27 February 2013 18: 19
    +93
    Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:

    1. Garrin
      Garrin 27 February 2013 18: 34
      +18
      Quote: Nevsky
      Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:

      Me too......
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 27 February 2013 18: 39
        +65
        "Russia is a land power, but GPV-2020 provides for almost twice as much money for equipment and weapons for the Navy" - I read this phrase and that's it, I think it's not worth it! laughing fool
        1. Tsim
          Tsim 27 February 2013 18: 45
          +50
          I read to the end. But I agree with you, it was not worth it. Especially to Armata and Kurgan.

          It is strange that he did not say - "Why do you need an army, develop democracy"
          1. Dragonmu
            Dragonmu 27 February 2013 18: 49
            +43
            I read it completely, became convinced of the usefulness and correctness of the chosen path (the more the Yankees and their agents of influence scold, the more benefit it brings to Russia's sovereignty).
            1. crazyrom
              crazyrom 27 February 2013 19: 44
              +24
              We know these "experts", we also know where and for what they receive their salaries. From this it is automatically clear that the path chosen by Putin is the right one.
              1. FATEMOGAN
                FATEMOGAN 27 February 2013 20: 17
                +10
                Quote: crazyrom
                We know these "experts"

                that lately these "ekshperts" have been divorced as if they were not cut dogs, and the more twisted that hre.b they blurt out, the bigger "ekshperts" they consider themselves to be. wassat
              2. Misantrop
                Misantrop 27 February 2013 22: 36
                +10
                Quote: crazyrom
                We know these "experts"

                So while reading I really wanted to ask to whom and with what this is an expert, if it is so "VISIBLE" laughing IMHO his analyzes are only able to interest his doctor. And even then, only with timely payment for treatment lol
                1. Bigriver
                  Bigriver 28 February 2013 05: 49
                  +5
                  Guys, VEDOMOSTI is the Russian-speaking mouthpiece of the English Financial Times and the American The Wall Street Journal. They own this edition and the opinion of Mikhail Baranov.
                2. dmitreach
                  dmitreach 1 March 2013 00: 51
                  0
                  After reading, I saw the idea to reduce. All.
                  Such an expert would like to wish to "multiply by zero" his "British" business in Russia. Yellow newspapers and like dirt, one more, one less ...
          2. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 27 February 2013 20: 57
            +6
            Quote: Tsim

            It is strange that he did not say - "Why do you need an army, develop democracy"

            -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
            -DERMOCRACY"Tsim,

            Clear business = Mercenary
          3. predator.3
            predator.3 27 February 2013 21: 32
            +10
            Si vis pacem, bellum for (Russian. “If you want peace, get ready for war”)

            This is currently the most relevant expression! good
          4. Corsair
            Corsair 27 February 2013 22: 16
            +16
            "Mr. Good" proposes to ensure the country's defenses with clubs and spears. But WE-shooted crows and US on the chaff ALREADY haven’t spent. The time has passed for blurring the eyes of the Russian public by Western well-wishers-democratizers. People are increasingly realizing that only the power of the Armed Forces can provide our security in the face of historic challenges.And there are NO alternatives to this.
          5. Hammer
            Hammer 28 February 2013 03: 55
            +7
            Quote: Tsim

            It is strange that he did not say - "Why do you need an army, develop democracy"


            So this between the lines is read in capital letters ...
            It’s very interesting for me here, did Mr. Barabanov himself send this libel to the State Department for approval or was this text simply sent to him from there?
            And what idiot called him "A prominent expert" ?! fool
            1. v53993
              v53993 28 February 2013 08: 34
              +3
              And what idiot called him "A prominent expert" ?!

              More prominent
        2. Good Ukraine
          Good Ukraine 27 February 2013 18: 54
          +17
          Quote: nycsson
          I read to this phrase and everything, further, I think, is not worth it!


          But in vain, there was still something to laugh at. laughing
          1. esaul
            esaul 27 February 2013 19: 06
            +7
            Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
            But in vain, there was still something to laugh at.

            And I recently laughed at the request of the great Ukrainian strategists to provide an opportunity to moor at the Russian pier of the great Ukrainian submarine flotilla in the person of the submarine Zaporizzya. From what, I wonder, is the word Zaporozhye formed? Do you think from the Dnieper rapids? You are wrong ...! From the word - "Constipation", which suffers from your independent elite, which has not been able to shit the answer to the question - "In the EU or in the CU?" Problem-ah ...! belay
            1. Good Ukraine
              Good Ukraine 27 February 2013 19: 39
              +51
              Quote: esaul
              And I recently laughed at the request of the great Ukrainian strategists to provide an opportunity to moor at the Russian pier of the great Ukrainian submarine flotilla represented by the submarine Zaporizzya.


              Believe me, in Ukraine today there is nothing to laugh at. You can pour only tears. Just like during the time of Yeltsin in Russia, only an order of magnitude worse.
              I am very glad that everything is getting better in Russia, and look there and we will catch up, God forbid.
            2. esaul
              esaul 27 February 2013 19: 42
              +7
              Kind Ukraine,
              Good evening, colleague hi
              From drunken eyes minusanul you, buddy (after a hassle at work, I rolled a little, sorry). I apologize below and ask for assurances of support for your comment. drinks laughing
              1. Good Ukraine
                Good Ukraine 27 February 2013 19: 55
                +51
                Quote: esaul
                Good evening, colleague


                Good evening !
                Everything is fine. I perfectly understand how Ukraine has finished all.
                First, the Tu-160 and Tu-22 were the newest cut, cruise missiles to them, too.
                You can list by lists.
                And then give gas for free.
                And who is worse from this? - to people in Russia and Ukraine.

                Now thinking about the EU or the CU?

                Urgently need a new Union, Urgently! Otherwise crush like cockroaches. And the one who does not understand this is bevdur.

                I don’t understand what to think about.
                Which EU? Who do we Slavs need there?
                1. yak69
                  yak69 27 February 2013 20: 44
                  +24
                  Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
                  I am very glad that everything is getting better in Russia, and look there and we will catch up, God forbid.

                  A positive look is always good! Sanity, this is the difference between a normal person and a citizen from idiots (chauvinists, nationalists, liberals, shit, etc.).
                  I wish you endurance and good luck! I am convinced that the power of the Slavic peoples in fraternity and Orthodoxy.
                  Keep brotherly relationship - we can all!
                2. berserk1967
                  berserk1967 27 February 2013 23: 27
                  +5
                  When will the new Bogdan Khmelnitsky appear in Ukraine?
                3. ikrut
                  ikrut 28 February 2013 20: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
                  Urgently need a new Union, Urgently! Otherwise crush like cockroaches. And the one who does not understand this is bevdur.

                  I support! I am glad that there are still people who are not brainwashed by Bandera's idiocy. It's a shame if, after all, these blockheads from the authorities stick Ukraine to the EU. To paraphrase the famous expression of prof. Preobrazhensky: "God, what will happen to the remnants of the industry?"
                  Well, is it really that those who hold power in Ukraine do not really care about their land and their people? After all, the CU could earn the remnants of the former industrial potential. And shipyards Nikolaev, and Motor-Sich, and Yuzhmash. And what about agriculture? Yes, only due to the import of food to Russia, Ukraine could very well exist. What can Ukraine get from the EU? What to sell there, besides people and land? What do they think ??? For me - a huge mystery .... "Sad, girls" (c)
        3. Army1
          Army1 27 February 2013 20: 29
          +6
          I completely agree! Your mother and such assholes consider themselves experts, and even prominent. I think you don’t need to listen to anyone, you need to have your own head.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 27 February 2013 22: 39
            +10
            Quote: Army1
            I think you don’t need to listen to anyone, you need to have your own head.

            IMHO just the opposite: you have to listen to your head, but "have" - ​​just such "experts". Desirable - in all holes and a mop with nails lol
        4. Orthodox warrior
          Orthodox warrior 28 February 2013 00: 46
          +5
          As far as I understand, we don't need to buy anything at all. This "expert" hr.nov cool soak!
          It's like in Fonvizin's comedy "The Minor". There, the teacher tells the mama of that same ignorant Mitrofanushka that, they say, we need to study geography with our son. And mama answered: "Why do we need geography? There are cabbies for that!"
      2. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 27 February 2013 19: 56
        +9
        Quote: Garrin

        Quote: Nevsky
        Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:
        Me too......

        This is a nickname, real name
        Michael Baranoff ...........
        The article is complete nonsense .........
      3. Rink
        Rink 27 February 2013 22: 09
        +11
        In what light they are - agents of influence! You can immediately take note ...

        The expert is short-sighted, damn it ...
        When everything was falling apart and under the knife something that the "democratizers of the planet" has no analogues to this day, this little man sat quietly, and squeezed articles in his English-language magazine (I suppose about the superiority of NATO technology and the lagging behind of Russian technologies), and did not agitate against the ongoing politicians. And when real money went to the defense industry and real rearmament went into the troops - then "it" groaned about the wrong decisions!

        The main thing is that the General Staff and the President have firmness in the implementation of decisions; and the FSB was interested in who and how uses the information field, what public opinion is trying to form and why.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 27 February 2013 23: 47
          +6
          Quote: Skating rink
          The main thing is that the General Staff and the President have firmness in the implementation of decisions; and the FSB was interested in who and how uses the information field, what public opinion is trying to form and why.

          Quite right! By the way, one can answer all three points, which the "respected" expert points to as evidence of "inferiority": "But under Stalin this was done in full and on time"! There is experience, and the people will understand the seriousness of the matter, which means they will spare no effort to carry it out. The main thing is that the "top" is not let down.
      4. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 28 February 2013 10: 23
        0
        I don’t know such an “expert.” I consider only the opinion of military expert Vlad Shurygin from his blog "Letters of the Dead Captain" http://shurigin.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%90%D1%80%D0 to be true and professional. % BC% D0% B8% D1% 8F
      5. Bekzat
        Bekzat 1 March 2013 12: 03
        0
        Greetings to all, for Garrin and Nevsky, why not say it to the end? I think they just bought him, he is a "sent Cossack" and in general he should be sent from Russia !!!
    2. bask
      bask 27 February 2013 18: 36
      +25
      Quote: Nevsky

      Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:

      This drums agent is the CIA, THIS EXACTLY. A REMINDERS IT.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 27 February 2013 19: 19
        +7
        Quote: bask
        This drumming agent is the CIA

        Hi, Andrew. God gave the namesake. didn’t this billiha say that we have problems with democracy, and we spend money on weapons? from the same opera, it seems
        1. bask
          bask 27 February 2013 19: 33
          +3
          Quote: andrei332809
          vet, Andryukh. God gave the namesake.

          Hi Andryukh. It’s not a matter of a surname, but of a person. Recently we got a job young .... So his surname is Syrotukhlov; great guy.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 27 February 2013 21: 01
        +15
        Quote: bask
        This drums agent is the CIA, THIS EXACTLY. A REMINDERS IT.
        1. bask
          bask 27 February 2013 23: 17
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          t drums CIA agent, THIS EXACTLY. AND REMINDS IT

          Behind Obama, hid. laughing Club ,, Tea Party ,,,
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 February 2013 18: 41
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Barabanov.
      An ambitious state armaments program until 2020, which will cost the Russian budget a whopping 20 trillion rubles - an amount that was "scary to say"


      oh well, at the olympiads and championships more plundered
      1. Mitek
        Mitek 27 February 2013 18: 48
        +4
        Not a very prominent analyst .. The most prominent analysts say that Russia does not need nuclear weapons, the Navy, the Army and Mr. Anal in the presidency.
        1. scrack
          scrack 27 February 2013 20: 26
          +3
          He must be reminded that if you do not feed your army, you will feed someone else’s
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 27 February 2013 22: 44
            +6
            Quote: scrack
            He must be reminded that if you do not feed your army, you will feed someone else’s
            soldier ***********************
            1. bask
              bask 27 February 2013 23: 25
              +6
              Quote: Thunderbolt

              He must be reminded that if you do not feed your army, you will feed someone else’s

              AND THEM 1,6 BILLION. HOW TO FEED. negative

              ONLY OWN., ALONGLY DESTROYING THE TREASURY AND PEST.
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 28 February 2013 00: 23
                +2
                First about the photo: what are your fierce faces bask, Amazons (or transvestites?) wassat Urgently send the echelon "Buratin" They will take off the chips "with this in their boots" !!! am
                Quote: bask
                ONLY OWN
                drinks
                Quote: bask
                PASTING DESTROYING THE TREASURY AND PEST
                business starts up, only today, out of the blue, I heard about some felting mayor, or a deputy. In a word, there was some movement, BUT nobody has sat down yet, but how things "fall apart" or are reclassified into a petty hooligan --- list? the main thing I don’t understand --- irrefutable facts are poked into my nose that the budget has "lost" billions, and everything ends at best with resignation, at worst, a major official continues to sit (unfortunately in his chair, and not where he would like ) This is my vision of what is happening on Olympus. And on the ground, in the hinterland ... corruption is a problem of a systemic order and to eradicate it by a strict decree from the Center, I don't know.
                1. sniper
                  sniper 28 February 2013 00: 28
                  +2
                  ThunderboltAlex, welcome!
                  hi
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 28 February 2013 00: 40
                    0
                    Hi Nikolay! Even though this branch is "fufly laughing ", but, thanks to comrade Mr. Baranov, I met good people there. drinksBarabanov, wildly sorry for the inaccuracy
                2. Tartary
                  Tartary 28 February 2013 05: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  In a word, the movement has begun, BUT nobody has sat down yet, but how do things "fall apart" or are reclassified into a petty hooligan --- list?

                  I think Serdyukov is still a thrown-in pretext on the topic: "beat your own, so that others would be afraid."
                  And if so, then I don’t care to put him in or not ...
                  After all, "their own" can and "really" be imprisoned - investigation - court - stage - prison - Canary Islands or a resort of mountain Altai, with girls, caviar and royal hunting ...
                  Even so, the most important thing is that the mechanism of reformatting the elite has been launched (!) And now strangers tremble and will tremble for a long time - as long as Serdyukov will be “jittery”, “judge”, “convoy” and “serve time”.
                  And at this time .............................. and let some of the "strangers" try to say that this is repression against democracy!
              2. old rocket man
                old rocket man 28 February 2013 02: 44
                +1
                bask,
                Ah, how many ladies, and in fact not a single punt, indeed, is seen in good faith. These experts would be torn to pieces by them. laughing
          2. igor36
            igor36 28 February 2013 06: 10
            0
            Quote: scrack
            He must be reminded that if you do not feed your army, you will feed someone else’s
            So he is a member of the fifth column of an alien army. from there and feeds
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 27 February 2013 18: 54
        +11
        Quote: Vadivak
        oh well, at the olympiads and championships more plundered

        Vadim, good health! He, (Barabanova), has his own goals and priorities, which trillions of the RF Armed Forces can be talked about if at Rublevka-
        Now, if you had a cut for the purchase of fly swatter, here it would be impossible to reduce costs and talk ..
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 27 February 2013 19: 02
          +9
          Quote: Tersky
          him (Barabanova), his goals and priorities

          Hi Victor, but I don’t subscribe for him, he somehow slipped past the army

          Graduated from the Moscow State University of Culture. He worked in Moscow municipal structures. Since May 2004 - scientific editor of the "Arms Export" journal. Since 2008 - Research Fellow at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Editor-in-Chief of the Moscow Defense Brief magazine.
          Interesting magazine in English here is a quote

          Moscow Defense Brief claims that of the six planes lost by Russia over Georgia in August last year, three were shot down by friendly fire
          1. sniper
            sniper 27 February 2013 19: 18
            +4
            Quote: Vadivak
            Graduated from Moscow State University of Culture.

            Well, everything is clear at once ... Surely I didn't even serve a term, I saw the machine only in the cinema, which naturally makes him "a prominent, unparalleled expert in the world" ... wassat In short, like that monkey on the river bank:
            a fool is a fool, but the dough is mowing ...
            Interestingly, and someday these "analysts" the competent authorities will start to deal with ???
            1. alexng
              alexng 27 February 2013 19: 38
              +2
              Quote: sniper
              Interestingly, and someday these "analysts" the competent authorities will start to deal with ???


              On the contrary, it is necessary to tear off some organs from such analysts, so that such labeled analysts are no longer born. Article very tedious byaka!
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 27 February 2013 20: 18
            +3
            Quote: Vadivak
            he somehow slipped past the army

            Vadim, it would be better if he slipped past the obstetrician’s hands laughing
            Quote: Vadivak
            Editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief magazine.

            In the course, that's why the question is only published in English, of course, an interesting question (whoever pays, he dances)
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 27 February 2013 21: 05
            +8
            Quote: Vadivak
            Graduated from the Moscow State University of Culture. He worked in Moscow municipal structures. Since May 2004 - scientific editor of the "Arms Export" journal. Since 2008 - Research Fellow at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Editor-in-Chief of the Moscow Defense Brief magazine.


            Photo: from the personal archive of Mikhail Barabanov Really "prominent" expert .. Main - PONTS
            1. Gregazov
              Gregazov 27 February 2013 22: 13
              +3
              An urgent need for a bandage, and then Harya from the osher will burst
            2. AlNikolaich
              AlNikolaich 28 February 2013 15: 01
              +2
              Thanks dear Ascetic. He is a person prone to collecting and analyzing information. Our person!
              Regarding the information provided:
              Education-Institute of Culture. Work in the municipal structures of Moscow.
              After this, suddenly the scientific editor of the journal "arms export" ????
              A little later, the subject is a researcher at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief magazine !! ???
              The question is, what the hell is an expert? In what field? Did you see weapons in the pictures only? In the war effort of economics? Where from?
              Yes, with such an education and the work of the mathematical apparatus in a person’s head, no! No experience on the topic! HE DOESN'T KNOW A FUCK! The same special as Serdyukov!
          4. Egoza
            Egoza 27 February 2013 23: 50
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            three were shot down by friendly fire

            belay belay belay
            And what then did the "unfriendly" do?
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 28 February 2013 00: 29
          -8
          And who can let them so impudently live in Russia, the CIA or the State Department.
          In general, I don’t understand the noise about the article: One clown criticizes another clown who promised there something about the weapons program until 2020. Yes, our politicians cannot say how much a barrel of oil will cost in six months! And each time they spoil liquidly when the price starts to creep down. laughing
    4. Good Ukraine
      Good Ukraine 27 February 2013 18: 49
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky
      Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:



      This is his older brother in mind. And Barabanov himself is the youngest.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 27 February 2013 19: 31
        +5
        Well, why are you all attacking a prominent analyst? A person writes what the audience of an English-language magazine wants to read. Well, do not write to him about the problems of the F-35? smile
    5. rexby63
      rexby63 27 February 2013 19: 23
      +2
      And he reminds me of a CIA resident. And in my opinion - Drum Enemy
    6. datur
      datur 27 February 2013 19: 39
      0
      Nevsky, nope this one is more adequate !!!! laughing
    7. vjhbc
      vjhbc 27 February 2013 21: 27
      +3
      Yes, I support the sheep, and in Africa, especially in relation to the contract army, the bulk of men must go through the army, and this is a universal appeal
      1. botur
        botur 27 February 2013 22: 28
        +1
        In one village, in one of the countries
        A ram went with the flock.

        There are not many smart sheep,
        And this same fool of evil -

        Does not recognize his gate:
        It’s clear - the head is weak.
        And the forehead, and so on the contrary -
        I have never seen such a forehead in my life:

        When there is no other wise guy nearby
        To beat on the foreheads,
        So it will accelerate - yes to the wall - bang !!!
        Other would be already in heaven
        And with him - order!
    8. beech
      beech 27 February 2013 22: 56
      0
      Well, yes, you can refuse everything, reduce it ... and then it’s for sure the end is for me, I think that this program is up to 20 g so it is minimal, so, to maintain combat readiness.
    9. vitiaz
      vitiaz 28 February 2013 09: 11
      0
      The aligarchs shake and that's all! and sales will remain! ! !
    10. andsavichev2012
      andsavichev2012 28 February 2013 09: 45
      0
      Exactly HE !!!!
    11. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 28 February 2013 11: 33
      0
      Hello, he does not remind anyone this is an exact copy of what is happening on our sovereign pole, Understand he did not come from America, he is ours and there are such majority in the upper echelons of power, They fed us fairy tales how we will be happy if we sell everything and we will be happy, It was necessary listen to what our chief said there in Davos, They haven’t gone anywhere, they occupy the same posts in our government, And speeches and deeds haven’t changed, Break what they have collected from the remnants of industry and urgently sell, No need to nod over the hill here they are, Everyone was happy about the signing of a nuclear-weapon limitation document, and they didn’t advertise a small article of the treaty, namely, any missile defense treaties, and the Senate voted for the treaty with that condition, here’s a little information to think about, the two largest US airlines are merging into one, and the goal is stated good to squeeze out all the small foreign companies and pick up their passengers. True, it’s interesting, but ours are still busy with hundreds of our companies that need to be created ,
  3. avt
    avt 27 February 2013 18: 20
    +1
    From what analyses is this analyst? Or maybe 600 thousand in the army a lot? Crap vulgaris, type ordinary. negative Or maybe Drum is the pseudonym of Kudrin?
    1. Good Ukraine
      Good Ukraine 27 February 2013 18: 30
      +3
      Quote: avt
      From what analyses is this analyst?


      He is from "Drums"
      Just from empty Drum.
      Kazachek "Honored
    2. Tsim
      Tsim 27 February 2013 18: 46
      +2
      The headline immediately reminds of Kudrin wink
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 28 February 2013 12: 32
        +1
        the first (first time I hear) Russian expert on defense industry and military-technical cooperation Mikhail Barabanov. Under his leadership, the English-language magazine Moscow Defense Brief is published. ........... one could not read further, in the 30s for such an article and such moods one could already order a prayer service for the repose of the soul with complete confidence
  4. Rico1977
    Rico1977 27 February 2013 18: 21
    0
    Zadalbali all these "experts" are bad. We must - we will do it, we have not done this in our history.
  5. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 27 February 2013 18: 21
    +3
    Michael drums? No, have not heard..
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 27 February 2013 21: 34
      +2
      ABOUT!!!! Someone walked with minuses .....

      Prominent Expert, you shtol !!!!!!!!)))))
  6. slvevg
    slvevg 27 February 2013 18: 24
    +1
    Hello everyone!!! An article in the topic "again the dog was sprinkled with dust!" laughing There is nothing new that regular visitors to the site would not know. Again prosralipolymers, why invent a new one when there is a well-forgotten old. I was surprised: almost twice as much funds (about 5 trillion rubles) were provided for equipment and weapons for the Navy than for equipment and weapons for the Ground and Airborne Troops (a total of 2,6 trillion rubles). So ships and submarines will be more expensive, and taking into account R&D in general ... What can I say, the hero of our time Serdyukov is to blame for everything! The latter is already without sarcasm wink
  7. Rico1977
    Rico1977 27 February 2013 18: 26
    +4
    Zadalbali all these "experts" are bad. We must - we will do it, we have not done this in our history. In general, he coolly prompts - to give up everything new and what we are proud of. What are we going to do then? Upgrade t72 again? Back to the 20th century? Maybe we don't need breakthrough technologies ... Does this fucking "expert" need an army like that? In general, his yapping stinks of sabotage and betrayal.
    1. kontrol
      kontrol 27 February 2013 19: 41
      +1
      as in gentlemen, good luck, surrender. and take our oil. HERE THERE
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist 27 February 2013 21: 28
      +4
      Quote: Rico1977
      zadalbali all these "experts" are bad.

      If the devils put sticks in wheels, then this is a charitable deed.
  8. IRBIS
    IRBIS 27 February 2013 18: 27
    +7
    Such "analysts" are usually employed by the CIA. The program is ambitious, but fully manageable with proper supervision. And where did he get the idea that Russia is a "land" power? Has he ever seen a map of the world, weirdo?
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 27 February 2013 20: 31
      +3
      I heard about the sea powers - I heard about the land forces - I heard, but about the land power - nirazu !!!!
  9. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 27 February 2013 18: 29
    0
    I am surprised by the amount of surprise, then WHERE can you spend by stealing ?! I wonder if it will ever end in Russia? some kind of despondency and hopelessness sometimes attack when I read another "discovery" about the disappearance of money
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 27 February 2013 21: 24
      0
      It's a pity I don't know Putin's mobile! I would ask him to announce: 20 trillion. - a year, for defense! And what do we have 23trill. (not long ago one gentleman announced) so what = we will sit for another year in prison (who does not know this = sweet water with crumbled bread) ZATO = let the Ministry of Emergency Situations send adult diapers to the states.

      In addition, let Putin say that we have already made 10 hydrogen bombs. Yes!

      Let fortunetellers bluff the GDP or in fact they missed.
  10. Borisych
    Borisych 27 February 2013 18: 29
    -4
    That would be money, but for the modernization of production!
    1. Rico1977
      Rico1977 27 February 2013 18: 35
      +2
      They go for it too - read the articles of the program. On the military-industrial complex
      1. Borisych
        Borisych 27 February 2013 20: 30
        -2
        So the military-industrial complex creates only weapons ... sad
        1. sniper
          sniper 27 February 2013 22: 15
          +10
          Borisych, For the work of the military-industrial complex, developed metallurgy, the chemical industry, electronics are needed .... yes the whole spectrum. Plus, it is precisely for the needs of the military-industrial complex that new technologies are created, which are then applied to consumer goods ... Well, something like that. smile
  11. Alan
    Alan 27 February 2013 18: 30
    +1
    Quote "This is the opinion of Mikhail Barabanov, a prominent Russian expert in the defense industry and military-technical cooperation. Under his leadership, the English-language magazine Moscow Defense Brief is published, one of the publications of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies."
    Somewhere I already heard it belay Another representative of the galaxy of "reformers" pests.
    Can immediately give up and no costs whatsoever.
  12. KuigoroZHIK
    KuigoroZHIK 27 February 2013 18: 33
    +3
    Come on, "respected eminent expert" on a walking sexual journey!
  13. wolk71
    wolk71 27 February 2013 18: 33
    +3
    Russia is a land power and how long have Russia been considered land. Another ... who wants to see Russia without the Navy and without the Army.
  14. Komodo
    Komodo 27 February 2013 18: 35
    +3
    Well this is Michael Barbn! Prominent American media agent. Author of articles on the dangers of S-400 at annual
    migrations of migratory birds to Northern India.
    For them, stupidity is one of the American freedoms))
    1. esaul
      esaul 27 February 2013 19: 22
      +1
      Greetings colleague hi
      Quote: Komodo
      Author of articles on the dangers of C-400
      good
      Nutritionist?
      Quote: Komodo
      on annual migrations of migratory birds to northern India.
      good
      - an ornithologist?
      And it seems to me - also Duremar, who treats all ailments only with bouts. On the other, he simply does not have enough mind ...
      1. Komodo
        Komodo 27 February 2013 19: 38
        +3
        Welcome hi !
        The State Department has a personnel crisis. That John Kerry will graduate. That is Abama.
        We have to all who still write something knows how to strain)
        Zbigniew is crying))
        1. esaul
          esaul 27 February 2013 19: 47
          +2
          Quote: Komodo
          That John Kerry will graduate.

          You probably mean that in his speech he managed to unite Kazakhstan with Kyrgyzstan and called this new state entity Kyrgyzstan? laughing And then he secured the right to stupidity for the Americans, saying that the Americans have such a right?
          I myself "Smiyalso pat tulom" laughing

          drinks
  15. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 27 February 2013 18: 35
    +1
    The only thing I agree with is now a headache with the Mistrals. The rest is all crap. Well, whoever, without this crap, will read his articles in English, as they say, from p-o-d-p-i-n-d-o-s-n-i-k-o-v: - " Nothing personal, purely dough cut down, crap your own. "
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 27 February 2013 19: 17
      +2
      Well, something like this hi
  16. mejik
    mejik 27 February 2013 18: 38
    +2
    In the last phrase, everything ... All nonsense ... Who is afraid of what? If the authorities were not afraid of their own military, would they fall under the pin-dos with their "peaceful" initiation? It looks like Barabanov was concussed by democracy ...
    1. family tree
      family tree 27 February 2013 19: 05
      +3
      Not only shell-shocked, but also sclerotic. It was clearly said that he should take the tests to the polyclinic, so no, he again dragged Brief away to his Moscow Defense, show everyone request
      It is clear to the hedgehog that there will be no money, the military-industrial complex is degrading, and there will be no arms development. Yes, even the coolest contract soldiers, but with the weapons of yesterday, are not needed in FIGs. In general, this analysis is only suitable for the clinic.
  17. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 27 February 2013 18: 40
    +4
    Judah is of purest water.
  18. Sergey47
    Sergey47 27 February 2013 18: 49
    +3
    Author paid for by a potential "partner". Listen, Barabanov, go to the train ....... at.
  19. dmitrich
    dmitrich 27 February 2013 18: 57
    0
    and this prominent expert is not Obama.
  20. bulvas
    bulvas 27 February 2013 19: 00
    +3
    Another wanted fame to make money on a muddy wave
  21. dmitrich
    dmitrich 27 February 2013 19: 01
    +1
    we have seen such propiers.
  22. alex13-61
    alex13-61 27 February 2013 19: 01
    +9
    I, the Crimean citizen, read about land Russia .... Navy Day - the most celebrated holiday in Crimea, has always been, is and will be. And, practically, the entire population of Crimea supports the presence of the Russian Navy in Sevastopol as a factor of stability. hi .
  23. ausguck
    ausguck 27 February 2013 19: 02
    +4
    There is no longer any life from any "prominent analysts" with a liberal bias .... It looks like it's not for nothing that his magazine is in English, it prints what the owners like ....
  24. Urrry
    Urrry 27 February 2013 19: 03
    +2
    Why does the head of an English-language magazine give advice to reduce Russia's military spending? His audience is in English-speaking countries, well, he would give advice on reducing the military budgets of the United States and England, so it would be more logical ... :)
  25. Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 27 February 2013 19: 04
    +5
    "So thinks prominent Russian expert in defense industry and military-technical cooperation Mikhail Barabanov "
    He is "prominent" only for foreign experts, but for ours I think that it is not an authority.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 February 2013 19: 10
      +3
      Quote: Byordovvv1
      He is "prominent" only for foreign experts, but for ours I think that it is not an authority.

      http://mdb.cast.ru/

      He works in the English edition
      1. Alan
        Alan 27 February 2013 20: 52
        +1
        What type I write and read myself winked In this case, I’m interested in another question where there were such experts when in Russia there was a chronic underfunding of the Army for years, and none of the military-industrial complex shouted about the catastrophic state of affairs in these, that the defense was almost at zero. Apparently this suited them. Or you won’t make money from it, but here overseas friends pay well.
    2. esaul
      esaul 27 February 2013 19: 17
      +3
      Vyacheslav, welcome hi
      Definition
      Quote: Byordovvv1
      "Prominent"

      apparently implied as - solid - bald, with a belly, in a top hat, with a cigar and with a viskar in a glass ...
  26. Andrey58
    Andrey58 27 February 2013 19: 05
    +5
    So says a prominent Russian expert on defense industry and military-technical cooperation, Mikhail Barabanov.

    I noticed this tendency. When in publications the terms "prominent" and "famous" are placed in front of the author's surname, then this, as a rule, turns out to be some obscure subject with strange ideas.
    1. v53993
      v53993 28 February 2013 09: 10
      +1
      some obscure subject with strange ideas

      But with a very clear orientation.
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 28 February 2013 15: 09
      0
      Quote: Andrey58
      I noticed this tendency. When in publications the terms "prominent" and "famous" are placed before the author's surname, then this, as a rule, turns out to be some obscure subject with strange ideas

      Express yourself, dear Andrei, more precisely: a freaky person with schizoid ideas. By the way, it reminds specialists from Echo of Moscow ...
  27. ded
    ded 27 February 2013 19: 10
    +4
    Obviously superfluous Drums considers the major costs of the fleet. Russia is a land power, but in the LG-2020 for equipment and weapons for the Navy provides almost twice as many funds (about 5 trillion rubles) than for equipment and weapons of the Ground and Airborne Forces (total 2,6 trillion rubles).


    You need to understand that from the 90s until recently, the army was saved. Therefore, now the country simply repays the debts of the Army. They saved on the fleet more than anything; therefore, they invest in the fleet more than anything.
    Russia is a land power


    However, Russia has the largest water border in the world, and taking into account the fact that glaciers melt and the northern sea route may open in the next 20 years, a large number of ships are simply necessary. Let this self-calling expert answer the following questions:

    1) What would happen to Yugoslavia if the Russian fleet were nearby?
    2) ... with Libya ...?
    3) What is so hindering the destruction of Syria?

    This is not an expert Drum, but simply empty as a drum magazine!
  28. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 27 February 2013 19: 11
    +7
    Prominent and famous?
    The first time I hear about this.
    It seems that another liberalist is working out overseas tranches ...
  29. Vitali-46
    Vitali-46 27 February 2013 19: 25
    +4
    Go graze the BARS !!!!
  30. honest jew
    honest jew 27 February 2013 19: 28
    +4
    keep it up Vladimir Vladimirovich! beat liberal iderasti and do not listen to anyone!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 27 February 2013 19: 30
      +1
      Quote: Honest Jew
      beat liberal iderasti and do not listen to anyone!

      So drive up, there will be few.
  31. homosum20
    homosum20 27 February 2013 19: 28
    0
    What language is the magazine published in? Right, in English. Those. for whom? Well, not for us. So whose money is it? Well, for whom it is written - those and money.
    The law on foreign agents should be extended to the media. The media is also politics.
    The example of Baranov clearly shows whose agent he is.
  32. vorobey
    vorobey 27 February 2013 19: 31
    +12
    Moscow Defense Brief Magazine

    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------


    Output Frequency: 4 numbers per year
    Magazine price: 2905.15 rub.
    Country: Russia

    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------


    I did not find the Russian version. It smiled most of all.

    The magazine is an important resource for foreign governments, politicians, industrialists, political and economic experts and researchers,
    For such grandmothers for a magazine, I will not write this. In short, the speed info and express newspaper are resting.

    expert photo as a keepsake.
    1. rpek32
      rpek32 27 February 2013 21: 24
      +4
      Hah, great. Found the site of this "magazine". is in runet, but everything is in English. And what an idiot would buy a magazine that comes out once a season for 3 kilo rubles. Or is it something from the category: "expensive - means Illitarno"?
    2. vovan1949
      vovan1949 27 February 2013 22: 25
      +2
      For memory? It would be better at the monument
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 27 February 2013 23: 59
      +1
      Quote: vorobey
      Output Frequency: 4 numbers per year

      Do you think that owners need to transfer encryption more often? laughing
    4. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 28 February 2013 15: 16
      0
      Quote: vorobey
      The magazine is an important resource for foreign governments, politicians, industrialists, political and economic experts.

      Topic! RZHUNEMAGU, how "objective and truthful" information is received from this magazine by all these foreign ....!
  33. Krsk
    Krsk 27 February 2013 19: 33
    0
    You are simply for whom the "fraction" is tapping out Mr. Barobanov ???
  34. plaksin150556
    plaksin150556 27 February 2013 19: 33
    +1
    Mr. Barabanov did not allow not to take a NATO agent. Something he does not discuss the US military military budget
  35. evgenii67
    evgenii67 27 February 2013 19: 33
    +6
    Hello everyone! Yes, what does the author have to do with it, for which they have so minuscule, he is not Drum. By the way, Barabanov has a lot of normal thoughts, for example: about Mistral, and also about Mistral, an interesting thought, well, also about Mistral, but I almost forgot about Mistral and all, really ???? laughing
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 27 February 2013 19: 43
      +8
      Quote: evgenii67
      Barabanov has a lot of normal thoughts, for example: about Mistral, and also about Mistral, an interesting thought, well, also about Mistral, but I almost forgot about Mistral iiiiii, is there anything ????


      He also knocked about French equipment, considered his purchase archival and best practice. but in defense of footcloths did not come out ... s.uka
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 27 February 2013 19: 51
        +2
        Quote: vorobey
        He also knocked about French equipment, considered his purchase archival and best practice. but in defense of footcloths did not come out ... s.uka


        Such a gat ...
  36. evil hamster
    evil hamster 27 February 2013 19: 36
    +4
    I strongly advise you to read it to the end, the second half of the article delivers much more, iksperd proposes to generally cancel or push back for the 20th year all new programs. A masterpiece.
  37. Phase
    Phase 27 February 2013 19: 42
    +3
    Mr. Barabanov’s expert assessments are not substantiated in any way and constitute an unfounded set of statements.
    Moscow Defense Brief magazine has never been seen. Who can be his audience, I can’t even imagine ...
  38. Valerik
    Valerik 27 February 2013 19: 51
    +2
    I believe that the main mistake in the construction of the Mistral is that we do not build them at our shipyards, we would build together with the French, modern technologies and trained personnel would remain, and busy plants would have taxes on the treasury
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 28 February 2013 00: 10
      0
      They think then to disassociate and copy!
  39. Evm12
    Evm12 27 February 2013 19: 51
    +1
    Moscow Defense Brief magazine - what kind of magazine is this ?!
    Most likely from abroad. As they say "made in USA".
  40. rapid1934
    rapid1934 27 February 2013 19: 55
    -2
    The article is very muddy.
    But there is truth in it The program is based on excessively optimistic deadlines for launching mass production of new weapons.
    I fully support this thesis; I know what I'm talking about. hi
    1. family tree
      family tree 27 February 2013 20: 04
      +1
      Well Duc! Hedgehog, there’s also a proud bird, until you kick it, well, exactly like our military-industrial complex.
  41. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 27 February 2013 20: 07
    +4
    Obviously superfluous Drums considers the major costs of the fleet. Russia is a land power, but in the LG-2020 for equipment and weapons for the Navy provides almost twice as many funds (about 5 trillion rubles) than for equipment and weapons of the Ground and Airborne Forces (total 2,6 trillion rubles).

    This ehperd, before writing such vysery, would first have climbed at least to Wikipedia, which says that
    The total length of the borders of Russia is 60 km (of which 933 km are sea borders); the borders of Russia in the north and east are maritime, in the south and west are mostly land
    . if you already skipped geography at school and don’t know such basic things as the geography of your country (although the fact that Russia is his own country is doubtful for him)
  42. Drugar
    Drugar 27 February 2013 20: 09
    -6
    If everyone has already unsubscribed about their indignation, Mr. Barabanov, showed that they understand something in all this, I ask you to pay attention to, without a doubt, one of the most important points of his analysis of the state program at the cost of 20 trillion:
    The implementation of GPV-2020 implies completely unrealistic growth rates of Russia's GDP. According to his simple calculations, with the level of military expenditures laid down in the program, in 2020 the GDP should amount to about 150 trillion rubles, that is, double in relation to the 2014 GDP.

    Curiously, no one even figured out "where is the money, Zin?" Or is the endless wealth of our country implied by itself? Keep in mind that this 20 trillion is the money that will not go to social projects, schools, kindergartens, hospitals, sick Russians, and healthy people too, to improve our life with you. This money will actually be taken from us. And, if we estimate that a good half of these funds will be taken away as usual, then it becomes completely sad ...
    Such a perspective is clearly a utopia, he argues.

    So, it’s worthwhile to figure out which is better: non-existing, but already outdated weapons or a developed economy and infrastructure, a high standard of living of the population of Great (it’s already some time ago) Russia.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 27 February 2013 21: 19
      +12
      Quote: Drugar
      So, it’s worthwhile to figure out which is better: non-existing, but already outdated weapons or a developed economy and infrastructure, a high standard of living of the population of Great (it’s already some time ago) Russia.


      Gaddafi has already figured that a high standard of living of citizens is better than rearmament of the army .. By the way, starting with the Gorbachev conversion and ending with Yeltsin's liberal reforms, practically nothing was spent on armaments and due to this, a "high standard of living of the population" was achieved, so what? Don't write nonsense - the military-industrial complex is the engine of everything in the modern world - science, technology, industry, infrastructure and even medicine ..
      1. Drugar
        Drugar 1 March 2013 23: 01
        -1
        Do not write nonsense, do not need cheap comparisons of Libya and Russia. On this site a ride, but do not write anywhere else, they will laugh. The presence of a nuclear arsenal negates any parallels. You write about the need to swell gigantic funds in the military-industrial complex as a whole of social affairs, as if corruption in the army and in the Putin-Edros system have already been eradicated.
    2. Gregazov
      Gregazov 27 February 2013 22: 20
      +4
      The only possible engine of our economy is the military-industrial complex. Work for the military-industrial complex gives life, jobs and technology. The adoption of the program has already breathed life into many enterprises in the province. Moreover, orders from machine builders finally appeared, and it is expensive.
      Probably this wind of change brings the sponsors of the drums to intestinal colic.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 28 February 2013 00: 02
      +1
      Quote: Drugar
      Curiously, no one even figured out "where is the money, Zin?"

      Well, they will shake off the young ladies from Taburetkin for a suspended sentence and the money will appear! Yes, here you can get a lot of people. They themselves will run "voluntary" assistance to the army. tongue
    4. old rocket man
      old rocket man 28 February 2013 02: 55
      0
      Drugar,
      Drugar,? Smelled of something Romanian, it is not clear why such "care" about Russian social programs wassat ?
  43. Atlon
    Atlon 27 February 2013 20: 17
    +6
    Expert, you say? Prominent, you say? Well, well ... Today one "prominent" lawyer was lowered below the plinth ... However, the louder the barking, the more correct the direction. So, bark louder, gentlemen "prominent experts"!
  44. Kuryanin
    Kuryanin 27 February 2013 20: 17
    +4
    Paid nonsense. And why did he decide that all hope for the country's GDP, part of the money would go from the stash, not for nothing that it was created.
  45. servant
    servant 27 February 2013 20: 30
    +3
    Idiocy and not an article ..
  46. vik50
    vik50 27 February 2013 20: 32
    +1
    Our military-industrial complex will fly, if only to reduce stools with girlfriends to a minimum
  47. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 27 February 2013 20: 32
    +4
    Barabanov did not like the fact that "Russia was cool with the US proposal to go for a new mutual reduction of nuclear arsenals"! I think he, like the United States and the British, would be delighted if only Russia, as under the Orbat, carried out the reduction unilaterally, and even better with a "counter" plan to destroy its arsenals ...
    As one observer wrote: “No CIA agent did so much good for Russia's enemies as Gorbachev (and, perhaps, Yeltsin too). The father of perestroika capitulated to the West without war and without any external reason. The man surrendered the country. voluntarily "....
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 27 February 2013 21: 26
      0
      Obviously, I was either barabanov himself, or Tanya - the daughter of Yeltsin, or - humpbacked - the father of perestroika!
  48. vruslanv
    vruslanv 27 February 2013 20: 36
    +2
    In the school of geography and history, Mr. Barabanov probably had a deuce. And where then did Peter 1 "cut through" the window ... Wow, Russia is a land power .......
  49. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx 27 February 2013 20: 41
    +1
    If he is such a prominent expert in his field, then what is it that I have not seen him anywhere?
  50. Hemp
    Hemp 27 February 2013 20: 42
    0
    Incorrect title - "A prominent expert" scolded the program ....