A prominent expert ruled off the costly armaments program until 2020, which Putin is proud of

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A prominent expert ruled off the costly armaments program until 2020, which Putin is proud of

The ambitious state armaments program up to 2020 of the year, which will cost the Russian budget huge 20 trillions of rubles - the amount that it was “scary to say” to Vladimir Putin himself is unbalanced, almost unrealistic and subject to significant reductions. So says a prominent Russian expert in defense industry and military-technical cooperation, Mikhail Barabanov. Under his leadership, the English-language magazine Moscow Defense Brief, one of the publications of the Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, is published.

In his analysis of the program in Vedomosti, Drums immediately describes the main signs of its inferiority and even harm to the country's economy. Firstly, it is focused on the rapid growth of procurement and defense expenditures as a whole, which is clearly ahead of Russia's economic growth rates and the real growth rates of the Russian budget. Secondly, the program contains overly optimistic price parameters for products purchased under the state defense order. Finally, thirdly, the program is based on overly optimistic timing of the launch into mass production of new types of weapons.

According to the expert, the implementation of the HPV-2020 assumes a completely unrealistic growth rate of Russia's GDP. According to his simple calculations, with the level of military spending that is incorporated in the program, in the 2020 year, the GDP should be approximately 150 trillion rubles, that is, double the GDP of the year 2014. This perspective is clearly a utopia, he argues.

The defense spending system itself does not hold water. First of all, there is a clear bias in favor of purchases of weapons and equipment, including to the detriment of personnel costs. But it is precisely the question of personnel today that is central to the Russian Armed Forces, emphasizes Mikhail Barabanov.

In his opinion, it would be right to put the main task of creating an army of more than 600-700 thousand people with the fastest possible transition to recruitment under a contract. The authorities discourage a lack of financial resources, but they could appear due to cutting back on an extremely expensive armament program, the analyst is convinced.

Obviously superfluous Drums considers the major costs of the fleet. Russia is a land power, but in the LG-2020 for equipment and weapons for the Navy provides almost twice as many funds (about 5 trillion rubles) than for equipment and weapons of the Ground and Airborne Forces (total 2,6 trillion rubles).

To the list of potential cuts naval The costs proposed by the author include any aircraft manufacturing programs, including the Mistral project, which, according to the expert, must be completely abandoned. However, since the construction of the first two amphibious assault ships-docks is already underway in France, and the refusal will cost Russia even more than fulfilling the contract, Barabanov proposes to unconditionally abandon the construction of the next two, already in Russia. At the same time, as a reserve for the future, he considers it necessary to retain the domestic heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" in the Navy.

The Mistral contract, signed under Anatoly Serdyukov, has been scolded a long time ago, but already after the change of leadership of the Ministry of Defense, a truly powerful wave of criticism has risen. One of the sharpest was the January statement by the first deputy head of the Military Industrial Commission under the Russian government, Ivan Kharchenko: he called the purchase of these ships "an absurd initiative" that "caused damage to the industry and the state."

In December, 2012, it was reported that it was allegedly decided to abandon the third and fourth Mistral helicopter carriers, which were to be built already in Russian shipyards. However, a source in the defense ministry then explained that there was no question of a refusal: just the start of construction, which was planned for 2013, is transferred to 2016. And this year, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that the issue of building the third and fourth ships in Russia "will be resolved based on the results of operating the first two ships assembled in French shipyards."

However, there is something to reduce, albeit slightly, in terms of costs for the Ground Forces. So, the expert recommends abandoning the purchase of the most expensive samples until 2020 - tanks program Armata, infantry fighting vehicles of the Kurganets-25 series and heavy self-propelled artillery. They promise to supply them from 2015, but they must be worked out during military trials, and such games take good time for more than one year. So within the framework of the current program, development is unlikely to be completed, the analyst points out.

Finally, with regard to the Strategic Missile Forces, Mikhail Barabanov doubts the need to develop a new liquid intercontinental ballistic missile. The relatively cheap ground-based intercontinental ballistic missiles "Yars" can fully maintain the level of Russia's strategic nuclear forces.

By the way, in the first half of February, the press reported that because of plans to build a new rocket in Moscow, the US’s proposal to go for a new reciprocal reduction of nuclear arsenals was cool. In Russia, fear of indignation of the military and representatives of the military-industrial complex, who have already promised money to create a rocket.
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  1. 0
    27 February 2013 18: 15
    They can only criticize, and nobody knows what to do.
  2. Nevsky
    +93
    27 February 2013 18: 19
    Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:

    1. +18
      27 February 2013 18: 34
      Quote: Nevsky
      Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:

      Me too......
      1. +65
        27 February 2013 18: 39
        "Russia is a land power, but GPV-2020 provides for almost twice as much money for equipment and weapons for the Navy" - I read this phrase and that's it, I think it's not worth it! laughing fool
        1. +50
          27 February 2013 18: 45
          I read to the end. But I agree with you, it was not worth it. Especially to Armata and Kurgan.

          It is strange that he did not say - "Why do you need an army, develop democracy"
          1. Dragonmu
            +43
            27 February 2013 18: 49
            I read it completely, became convinced of the usefulness and correctness of the chosen path (the more the Yankees and their agents of influence scold, the more benefit it brings to Russia's sovereignty).
            1. +24
              27 February 2013 19: 44
              We know these "experts", we also know where and for what they receive their salaries. From this it is automatically clear that the path chosen by Putin is the right one.
              1. FATEMOGAN
                +10
                27 February 2013 20: 17
                Quote: crazyrom
                We know these "experts"

                that lately these "ekshperts" have been divorced as if they were not cut dogs, and the more twisted that hre.b they blurt out, the bigger "ekshperts" they consider themselves to be. wassat
              2. Misantrop
                +10
                27 February 2013 22: 36
                Quote: crazyrom
                We know these "experts"

                So while reading I really wanted to ask to whom and with what this is an expert, if it is so "VISIBLE" laughing IMHO his analyzes are only able to interest his doctor. And even then, only with timely payment for treatment lol
                1. +5
                  28 February 2013 05: 49
                  Guys, VEDOMOSTI is the Russian-speaking mouthpiece of the English Financial Times and the American The Wall Street Journal. They own this edition and the opinion of Mikhail Baranov.
                2. 0
                  1 March 2013 00: 51
                  After reading, I saw the idea to reduce. All.
                  Such an expert would like to wish to "multiply by zero" his "British" business in Russia. Yellow newspapers and like dirt, one more, one less ...
          2. nickname 1 and 2
            +6
            27 February 2013 20: 57
            Quote: Tsim

            It is strange that he did not say - "Why do you need an army, develop democracy"

            -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
            -DERMOCRACY"Tsim,

            Clear business = Mercenary
          3. predator.3
            +10
            27 February 2013 21: 32
            Si vis pacem, bellum for (Russian. “If you want peace, get ready for war”)

            This is currently the most relevant expression! good
          4. +16
            27 February 2013 22: 16
            "Mr. Good" proposes to ensure the country's defenses with clubs and spears. But WE-shooted crows and US on the chaff ALREADY haven’t spent. The time has passed for blurring the eyes of the Russian public by Western well-wishers-democratizers. People are increasingly realizing that only the power of the Armed Forces can provide our security in the face of historic challenges.And there are NO alternatives to this.
          5. +7
            28 February 2013 03: 55
            Quote: Tsim

            It is strange that he did not say - "Why do you need an army, develop democracy"


            So this between the lines is read in capital letters ...
            It’s very interesting for me here, did Mr. Barabanov himself send this libel to the State Department for approval or was this text simply sent to him from there?
            And what idiot called him "A prominent expert" ?! fool
            1. +3
              28 February 2013 08: 34
              And what idiot called him "A prominent expert" ?!

              More prominent
        2. Good Ukraine
          +17
          27 February 2013 18: 54
          Quote: nycsson
          I read to this phrase and everything, further, I think, is not worth it!


          But in vain, there was still something to laugh at. laughing
          1. +7
            27 February 2013 19: 06
            Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
            But in vain, there was still something to laugh at.

            And I recently laughed at the request of the great Ukrainian strategists to provide an opportunity to moor at the Russian pier of the great Ukrainian submarine flotilla in the person of the submarine Zaporizzya. From what, I wonder, is the word Zaporozhye formed? Do you think from the Dnieper rapids? You are wrong ...! From the word - "Constipation", which suffers from your independent elite, which has not been able to shit the answer to the question - "In the EU or in the CU?" Problem-ah ...! belay
            1. Good Ukraine
              +51
              27 February 2013 19: 39
              Quote: esaul
              And I recently laughed at the request of the great Ukrainian strategists to provide an opportunity to moor at the Russian pier of the great Ukrainian submarine flotilla represented by the submarine Zaporizzya.


              Believe me, in Ukraine today there is nothing to laugh at. You can pour only tears. Just like during the time of Yeltsin in Russia, only an order of magnitude worse.
              I am very glad that everything is getting better in Russia, and look there and we will catch up, God forbid.
            2. +7
              27 February 2013 19: 42
              Kind Ukraine,
              Good evening, colleague hi
              From drunken eyes minusanul you, buddy (after a hassle at work, I rolled a little, sorry). I apologize below and ask for assurances of support for your comment. drinks laughing
              1. Good Ukraine
                +51
                27 February 2013 19: 55
                Quote: esaul
                Good evening, colleague


                Good evening !
                Everything is fine. I perfectly understand how Ukraine has finished all.
                First, the Tu-160 and Tu-22 were the newest cut, cruise missiles to them, too.
                You can list by lists.
                And then give gas for free.
                And who is worse from this? - to people in Russia and Ukraine.

                Now thinking about the EU or the CU?

                Urgently need a new Union, Urgently! Otherwise crush like cockroaches. And the one who does not understand this is bevdur.

                I don’t understand what to think about.
                Which EU? Who do we Slavs need there?
                1. yak69
                  +24
                  27 February 2013 20: 44
                  Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
                  I am very glad that everything is getting better in Russia, and look there and we will catch up, God forbid.

                  A positive look is always good! Sanity, this is the difference between a normal person and a citizen from idiots (chauvinists, nationalists, liberals, shit, etc.).
                  I wish you endurance and good luck! I am convinced that the power of the Slavic peoples in fraternity and Orthodoxy.
                  Keep brotherly relationship - we can all!
                2. +5
                  27 February 2013 23: 27
                  When will the new Bogdan Khmelnitsky appear in Ukraine?
                3. +2
                  28 February 2013 20: 04
                  Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
                  Urgently need a new Union, Urgently! Otherwise crush like cockroaches. And the one who does not understand this is bevdur.

                  I support! I am glad that there are still people who are not brainwashed by Bandera's idiocy. It's a shame if, after all, these blockheads from the authorities stick Ukraine to the EU. To paraphrase the famous expression of prof. Preobrazhensky: "God, what will happen to the remnants of the industry?"
                  Well, is it really that those who hold power in Ukraine do not really care about their land and their people? After all, the CU could earn the remnants of the former industrial potential. And shipyards Nikolaev, and Motor-Sich, and Yuzhmash. And what about agriculture? Yes, only due to the import of food to Russia, Ukraine could very well exist. What can Ukraine get from the EU? What to sell there, besides people and land? What do they think ??? For me - a huge mystery .... "Sad, girls" (c)
        3. +6
          27 February 2013 20: 29
          I completely agree! Your mother and such assholes consider themselves experts, and even prominent. I think you don’t need to listen to anyone, you need to have your own head.
          1. Misantrop
            +10
            27 February 2013 22: 39
            Quote: Army1
            I think you don’t need to listen to anyone, you need to have your own head.

            IMHO just the opposite: you have to listen to your head, but "have" - ​​just such "experts". Desirable - in all holes and a mop with nails lol
        4. Orthodox warrior
          +5
          28 February 2013 00: 46
          As far as I understand, we don't need to buy anything at all. This "expert" hr.nov cool soak!
          It's like in Fonvizin's comedy "The Minor". There, the teacher tells the mama of that same ignorant Mitrofanushka that, they say, we need to study geography with our son. And mama answered: "Why do we need geography? There are cabbies for that!"
      2. +9
        27 February 2013 19: 56
        Quote: Garrin

        Quote: Nevsky
        Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:
        Me too......

        This is a nickname, real name
        Michael Baranoff ...........
        The article is complete nonsense .........
      3. +11
        27 February 2013 22: 09
        In what light they are - agents of influence! You can immediately take note ...

        The expert is short-sighted, damn it ...
        When everything was falling apart and under the knife something that the "democratizers of the planet" has no analogues to this day, this little man sat quietly, and squeezed articles in his English-language magazine (I suppose about the superiority of NATO technology and the lagging behind of Russian technologies), and did not agitate against the ongoing politicians. And when real money went to the defense industry and real rearmament went into the troops - then "it" groaned about the wrong decisions!

        The main thing is that the General Staff and the President have firmness in the implementation of decisions; and the FSB was interested in who and how uses the information field, what public opinion is trying to form and why.
        1. +6
          27 February 2013 23: 47
          Quote: Skating rink
          The main thing is that the General Staff and the President have firmness in the implementation of decisions; and the FSB was interested in who and how uses the information field, what public opinion is trying to form and why.

          Quite right! By the way, one can answer all three points, which the "respected" expert points to as evidence of "inferiority": "But under Stalin this was done in full and on time"! There is experience, and the people will understand the seriousness of the matter, which means they will spare no effort to carry it out. The main thing is that the "top" is not let down.
      4. 0
        28 February 2013 10: 23
        I don’t know such an “expert.” I consider only the opinion of military expert Vlad Shurygin from his blog "Letters of the Dead Captain" http://shurigin.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%90%D1%80%D0 to be true and professional. % BC% D0% B8% D1% 8F
      5. 0
        1 March 2013 12: 03
        Greetings to all, for Garrin and Nevsky, why not say it to the end? I think they just bought him, he is a "sent Cossack" and in general he should be sent from Russia !!!
    2. bask
      +25
      27 February 2013 18: 36
      Quote: Nevsky

      Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:

      This drums agent is the CIA, THIS EXACTLY. A REMINDERS IT.
      1. +7
        27 February 2013 19: 19
        Quote: bask
        This drumming agent is the CIA

        Hi, Andrew. God gave the namesake. didn’t this billiha say that we have problems with democracy, and we spend money on weapons? from the same opera, it seems
        1. bask
          +3
          27 February 2013 19: 33
          Quote: andrei332809
          vet, Andryukh. God gave the namesake.

          Hi Andryukh. It’s not a matter of a surname, but of a person. Recently we got a job young .... So his surname is Syrotukhlov; great guy.
      2. +15
        27 February 2013 21: 01
        Quote: bask
        This drums agent is the CIA, THIS EXACTLY. A REMINDERS IT.
        1. bask
          +2
          27 February 2013 23: 17
          Quote: Ascetic
          t drums CIA agent, THIS EXACTLY. AND REMINDS IT

          Behind Obama, hid. laughing Club ,, Tea Party ,,,
    3. +4
      27 February 2013 18: 41
      Quote: Mikhail Barabanov.
      An ambitious state armaments program until 2020, which will cost the Russian budget a whopping 20 trillion rubles - an amount that was "scary to say"


      oh well, at the olympiads and championships more plundered
      1. +4
        27 February 2013 18: 48
        Not a very prominent analyst .. The most prominent analysts say that Russia does not need nuclear weapons, the Navy, the Army and Mr. Anal in the presidency.
        1. scrack
          +3
          27 February 2013 20: 26
          He must be reminded that if you do not feed your army, you will feed someone else’s
          1. +6
            27 February 2013 22: 44
            Quote: scrack
            He must be reminded that if you do not feed your army, you will feed someone else’s
            soldier ***********************
            1. bask
              +6
              27 February 2013 23: 25
              Quote: Thunderbolt

              He must be reminded that if you do not feed your army, you will feed someone else’s

              AND THEM 1,6 BILLION. HOW TO FEED. negative

              ONLY OWN., ALONGLY DESTROYING THE TREASURY AND PEST.
              1. +2
                28 February 2013 00: 23
                First about the photo: what are your fierce faces bask, Amazons (or transvestites?) wassat Urgently send the echelon "Buratin" They will take off the chips "with this in their boots" !!! am
                Quote: bask
                ONLY OWN
                drinks
                Quote: bask
                PASTING DESTROYING THE TREASURY AND PEST
                business starts up, only today, out of the blue, I heard about some felting mayor, or a deputy. In a word, there was some movement, BUT nobody has sat down yet, but how things "fall apart" or are reclassified into a petty hooligan --- list? the main thing I don’t understand --- irrefutable facts are poked into my nose that the budget has "lost" billions, and everything ends at best with resignation, at worst, a major official continues to sit (unfortunately in his chair, and not where he would like ) This is my vision of what is happening on Olympus. And on the ground, in the hinterland ... corruption is a problem of a systemic order and to eradicate it by a strict decree from the Center, I don't know.
                1. +2
                  28 February 2013 00: 28
                  ThunderboltAlex, welcome!
                  hi
                  1. 0
                    28 February 2013 00: 40
                    Hi Nikolay! Even though this branch is "fufly laughing ", but, thanks to comrade Mr. Baranov, I met good people there. drinksBarabanov, wildly sorry for the inaccuracy
                2. 0
                  28 February 2013 05: 35
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  In a word, the movement has begun, BUT nobody has sat down yet, but how do things "fall apart" or are reclassified into a petty hooligan --- list?

                  I think Serdyukov is still a thrown-in pretext on the topic: "beat your own, so that others would be afraid."
                  And if so, then I don’t care to put him in or not ...
                  After all, "their own" can and "really" be imprisoned - investigation - court - stage - prison - Canary Islands or a resort of mountain Altai, with girls, caviar and royal hunting ...
                  Even so, the most important thing is that the mechanism of reformatting the elite has been launched (!) And now strangers tremble and will tremble for a long time - as long as Serdyukov will be “jittery”, “judge”, “convoy” and “serve time”.
                  And at this time .............................. and let some of the "strangers" try to say that this is repression against democracy!
              2. +1
                28 February 2013 02: 44
                bask,
                Ah, how many ladies, and in fact not a single punt, indeed, is seen in good faith. These experts would be torn to pieces by them. laughing
          2. 0
            28 February 2013 06: 10
            Quote: scrack
            He must be reminded that if you do not feed your army, you will feed someone else’s
            So he is a member of the fifth column of an alien army. from there and feeds
      2. +11
        27 February 2013 18: 54
        Quote: Vadivak
        oh well, at the olympiads and championships more plundered

        Vadim, good health! He, (Barabanova), has his own goals and priorities, which trillions of the RF Armed Forces can be talked about if at Rublevka-
        Now, if you had a cut for the purchase of fly swatter, here it would be impossible to reduce costs and talk ..
        1. +9
          27 February 2013 19: 02
          Quote: Tersky
          him (Barabanova), his goals and priorities

          Hi Victor, but I don’t subscribe for him, he somehow slipped past the army

          Graduated from the Moscow State University of Culture. He worked in Moscow municipal structures. Since May 2004 - scientific editor of the "Arms Export" journal. Since 2008 - Research Fellow at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Editor-in-Chief of the Moscow Defense Brief magazine.
          Interesting magazine in English here is a quote

          Moscow Defense Brief claims that of the six planes lost by Russia over Georgia in August last year, three were shot down by friendly fire
          1. +4
            27 February 2013 19: 18
            Quote: Vadivak
            Graduated from Moscow State University of Culture.

            Well, everything is clear at once ... Surely I didn't even serve a term, I saw the machine only in the cinema, which naturally makes him "a prominent, unparalleled expert in the world" ... wassat In short, like that monkey on the river bank:
            a fool is a fool, but the dough is mowing ...
            Interestingly, and someday these "analysts" the competent authorities will start to deal with ???
            1. +2
              27 February 2013 19: 38
              Quote: sniper
              Interestingly, and someday these "analysts" the competent authorities will start to deal with ???


              On the contrary, it is necessary to tear off some organs from such analysts, so that such labeled analysts are no longer born. Article very tedious byaka!
          2. +3
            27 February 2013 20: 18
            Quote: Vadivak
            he somehow slipped past the army

            Vadim, it would be better if he slipped past the obstetrician’s hands laughing
            Quote: Vadivak
            Editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief magazine.

            In the course, that's why the question is only published in English, of course, an interesting question (whoever pays, he dances)
          3. +8
            27 February 2013 21: 05
            Quote: Vadivak
            Graduated from the Moscow State University of Culture. He worked in Moscow municipal structures. Since May 2004 - scientific editor of the "Arms Export" journal. Since 2008 - Research Fellow at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Editor-in-Chief of the Moscow Defense Brief magazine.


            Photo: from the personal archive of Mikhail Barabanov Really "prominent" expert .. Main - PONTS
            1. +3
              27 February 2013 22: 13
              An urgent need for a bandage, and then Harya from the osher will burst
            2. +2
              28 February 2013 15: 01
              Thanks dear Ascetic. He is a person prone to collecting and analyzing information. Our person!
              Regarding the information provided:
              Education-Institute of Culture. Work in the municipal structures of Moscow.
              After this, suddenly the scientific editor of the journal "arms export" ????
              A little later, the subject is a researcher at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief magazine !! ???
              The question is, what the hell is an expert? In what field? Did you see weapons in the pictures only? In the war effort of economics? Where from?
              Yes, with such an education and the work of the mathematical apparatus in a person’s head, no! No experience on the topic! HE DOESN'T KNOW A FUCK! The same special as Serdyukov!
          4. +1
            27 February 2013 23: 50
            Quote: Vadivak
            three were shot down by friendly fire

            belay belay belay
            And what then did the "unfriendly" do?
        2. S_mirnov
          -8
          28 February 2013 00: 29
          And who can let them so impudently live in Russia, the CIA or the State Department.
          In general, I don’t understand the noise about the article: One clown criticizes another clown who promised there something about the weapons program until 2020. Yes, our politicians cannot say how much a barrel of oil will cost in six months! And each time they spoil liquidly when the price starts to creep down. laughing
    4. Good Ukraine
      +1
      27 February 2013 18: 49
      Quote: Nevsky
      Mikhail Barabanov reminds me of:



      This is his older brother in mind. And Barabanov himself is the youngest.
      1. +5
        27 February 2013 19: 31
        Well, why are you all attacking a prominent analyst? A person writes what the audience of an English-language magazine wants to read. Well, do not write to him about the problems of the F-35? smile
    5. +2
      27 February 2013 19: 23
      And he reminds me of a CIA resident. And in my opinion - Drum Enemy
    6. 0
      27 February 2013 19: 39
      Nevsky, nope this one is more adequate !!!! laughing
    7. +3
      27 February 2013 21: 27
      Yes, I support the sheep, and in Africa, especially in relation to the contract army, the bulk of men must go through the army, and this is a universal appeal
      1. +1
        27 February 2013 22: 28
        In one village, in one of the countries
        A ram went with the flock.

        There are not many smart sheep,
        And this same fool of evil -

        Does not recognize his gate:
        It’s clear - the head is weak.
        And the forehead, and so on the contrary -
        I have never seen such a forehead in my life:

        When there is no other wise guy nearby
        To beat on the foreheads,
        So it will accelerate - yes to the wall - bang !!!
        Other would be already in heaven
        And with him - order!
    8. beech
      0
      27 February 2013 22: 56
      Well, yes, you can refuse everything, reduce it ... and then it’s for sure the end is for me, I think that this program is up to 20 g so it is minimal, so, to maintain combat readiness.
    9. vitiaz
      0
      28 February 2013 09: 11
      The aligarchs shake and that's all! and sales will remain! ! !
    10. andsavichev2012
      0
      28 February 2013 09: 45
      Exactly HE !!!!
    11. 0
      28 February 2013 11: 33
      Hello, he does not remind anyone this is an exact copy of what is happening on our sovereign pole, Understand he did not come from America, he is ours and there are such majority in the upper echelons of power, They fed us fairy tales how we will be happy if we sell everything and we will be happy, It was necessary listen to what our chief said there in Davos, They haven’t gone anywhere, they occupy the same posts in our government, And speeches and deeds haven’t changed, Break what they have collected from the remnants of industry and urgently sell, No need to nod over the hill here they are, Everyone was happy about the signing of a nuclear-weapon limitation document, and they didn’t advertise a small article of the treaty, namely, any missile defense treaties, and the Senate voted for the treaty with that condition, here’s a little information to think about, the two largest US airlines are merging into one, and the goal is stated good to squeeze out all the small foreign companies and pick up their passengers. True, it’s interesting, but ours are still busy with hundreds of our companies that need to be created ,
  3. avt
    +1
    27 February 2013 18: 20
    From what analyses is this analyst? Or maybe 600 thousand in the army a lot? Crap vulgaris, type ordinary. negative Or maybe Drum is the pseudonym of Kudrin?
    1. Good Ukraine
      +3
      27 February 2013 18: 30
      Quote: avt
      From what analyses is this analyst?


      He is from "Drums"
      Just from empty Drum.
      Kazachek "Honored
    2. +2
      27 February 2013 18: 46
      The headline immediately reminds of Kudrin wink
      1. +1
        28 February 2013 12: 32
        the first (first time I hear) Russian expert on defense industry and military-technical cooperation Mikhail Barabanov. Under his leadership, the English-language magazine Moscow Defense Brief is published. ........... one could not read further, in the 30s for such an article and such moods one could already order a prayer service for the repose of the soul with complete confidence
  4. 0
    27 February 2013 18: 21
    Zadalbali all these "experts" are bad. We must - we will do it, we have not done this in our history.
  5. Grishka100watt
    +3
    27 February 2013 18: 21
    Michael drums? No, have not heard..
    1. Grishka100watt
      +2
      27 February 2013 21: 34
      ABOUT!!!! Someone walked with minuses .....

      Prominent Expert, you shtol !!!!!!!!)))))
  6. slvevg
    +1
    27 February 2013 18: 24
    Hello everyone!!! An article in the topic "again the dog was sprinkled with dust!" laughing There is nothing new that regular visitors to the site would not know. Again prosralipolymers, why invent a new one when there is a well-forgotten old. I was surprised: almost twice as much funds (about 5 trillion rubles) were provided for equipment and weapons for the Navy than for equipment and weapons for the Ground and Airborne Troops (a total of 2,6 trillion rubles). So ships and submarines will be more expensive, and taking into account R&D in general ... What can I say, the hero of our time Serdyukov is to blame for everything! The latter is already without sarcasm wink
  7. +4
    27 February 2013 18: 26
    Zadalbali all these "experts" are bad. We must - we will do it, we have not done this in our history. In general, he coolly prompts - to give up everything new and what we are proud of. What are we going to do then? Upgrade t72 again? Back to the 20th century? Maybe we don't need breakthrough technologies ... Does this fucking "expert" need an army like that? In general, his yapping stinks of sabotage and betrayal.
    1. +1
      27 February 2013 19: 41
      as in gentlemen, good luck, surrender. and take our oil. HERE THERE
    2. +4
      27 February 2013 21: 28
      Quote: Rico1977
      zadalbali all these "experts" are bad.

      If the devils put sticks in wheels, then this is a charitable deed.
  8. +7
    27 February 2013 18: 27
    Such "analysts" are usually employed by the CIA. The program is ambitious, but fully manageable with proper supervision. And where did he get the idea that Russia is a "land" power? Has he ever seen a map of the world, weirdo?
    1. +3
      27 February 2013 20: 31
      I heard about the sea powers - I heard about the land forces - I heard, but about the land power - nirazu !!!!
  9. 0
    27 February 2013 18: 29
    I am surprised by the amount of surprise, then WHERE can you spend by stealing ?! I wonder if it will ever end in Russia? some kind of despondency and hopelessness sometimes attack when I read another "discovery" about the disappearance of money
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      0
      27 February 2013 21: 24
      Sorry I don’t know Putin’s mobile! I would ask him to announce: 20 trillions. - per year, on defense! And that we have 23 trill. (not long ago, one gentleman announced) so what = we’ll sit another year in the prison (who doesn’t know this = sweet water with crushed bread) ZATO = let the Ministry of Emergencies send adult diapers to the states.

      In addition, let Putin say that we have already made 10 hydrogen bombs. Yes!

      Let fortunetellers bluff the GDP or in fact they missed.
  10. Borisych
    -4
    27 February 2013 18: 29
    That would be money, but for the modernization of production!
    1. +2
      27 February 2013 18: 35
      They go for it too - read the articles of the program. On the military-industrial complex
      1. Borisych
        -2
        27 February 2013 20: 30
        So the military-industrial complex creates only weapons ... sad
        1. +10
          27 February 2013 22: 15
          Borisych, For the work of the military-industrial complex, developed metallurgy, the chemical industry, electronics are needed .... yes the whole spectrum. Plus, it is precisely for the needs of the military-industrial complex that new technologies are created, which are then applied to consumer goods ... Well, something like that. smile
  11. +1
    27 February 2013 18: 30
    Quote "This is the opinion of Mikhail Barabanov, a prominent Russian expert in the defense industry and military-technical cooperation. Under his leadership, the English-language magazine Moscow Defense Brief is published, one of the publications of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies."
    Somewhere I already heard it belay Another representative of the galaxy of "reformers" pests.
    Can immediately give up and no costs whatsoever.
  12. +3
    27 February 2013 18: 33
    Come on, "respected eminent expert" on a walking sexual journey!
  13. +3
    27 February 2013 18: 33
    Russia is a land power and how long have Russia been considered land. Another ... who wants to see Russia without the Navy and without the Army.
  14. Komodo
    +3
    27 February 2013 18: 35
    Well this is Michael Barbn! Prominent American media agent. Author of articles on the dangers of S-400 at annual
    migrations of migratory birds to Northern India.
    For them, stupidity is one of the American freedoms))
    1. +1
      27 February 2013 19: 22
      Greetings colleague hi
      Quote: Komodo
      Author of articles on the dangers of C-400
      good
      Nutritionist?
      Quote: Komodo
      on annual migrations of migratory birds to northern India.
      good
      - an ornithologist?
      And it seems to me - also Duremar, who treats all ailments only with bouts. On the other, he simply does not have enough mind ...
      1. Komodo
        +3
        27 February 2013 19: 38
        Welcome hi !
        The State Department has a personnel crisis. That John Kerry will graduate. That is Abama.
        We have to all who still write something knows how to strain)
        Zbigniew is crying))
        1. +2
          27 February 2013 19: 47
          Quote: Komodo
          That John Kerry will graduate.

          You probably mean that in his speech he managed to unite Kazakhstan with Kyrgyzstan and called this new state entity Kyrgyzstan? laughing And then he secured the right to stupidity for the Americans, saying that the Americans have such a right?
          I myself "Smiyalso pat tulom" laughing

          drinks
  15. +1
    27 February 2013 18: 35
    The only thing I agree with is now a headache with the Mistrals. The rest is all crap. Well, whoever, without this crap, will read his articles in English, as they say, from p-o-d-p-i-n-d-o-s-n-i-k-o-v: - " Nothing personal, purely dough cut down, crap your own. "
    1. +2
      27 February 2013 19: 17
      Well, something like this hi
  16. +2
    27 February 2013 18: 38
    In the last phrase, everything ... All nonsense ... Who is afraid of what? If the authorities were not afraid of their own military, would they fall under the pin-dos with their "peaceful" initiation? It looks like Barabanov was concussed by democracy ...
    1. +3
      27 February 2013 19: 05
      Not only shell-shocked, but also sclerotic. It was clearly said that he should take the tests to the polyclinic, so no, he again dragged Brief away to his Moscow Defense, show everyone request
      It is clear to the hedgehog that there will be no money, the military-industrial complex is degrading, and there will be no arms development. Yes, even the coolest contract soldiers, but with the weapons of yesterday, are not needed in FIGs. In general, this analysis is only suitable for the clinic.
  17. +4
    27 February 2013 18: 40
    Judah is of purest water.
  18. +3
    27 February 2013 18: 49
    Author paid for by a potential "partner". Listen, Barabanov, go to the train ....... at.
  19. 0
    27 February 2013 18: 57
    and this prominent expert is not Obama.
  20. +3
    27 February 2013 19: 00
    Another wanted fame to make money on a muddy wave
  21. +1
    27 February 2013 19: 01
    we have seen such propiers.
  22. +9
    27 February 2013 19: 01
    I, the Crimean citizen, read about land Russia .... Navy Day - the most celebrated holiday in Crimea, has always been, is and will be. And, practically, the entire population of Crimea supports the presence of the Russian Navy in Sevastopol as a factor of stability. hi .
  23. +4
    27 February 2013 19: 02
    There is no longer any life from any "prominent analysts" with a liberal bias .... It looks like it's not for nothing that his magazine is in English, it prints what the owners like ....
  24. Urrry
    +2
    27 February 2013 19: 03
    Why does the head of an English-language magazine give advice to reduce Russia's military spending? His audience is in English-speaking countries, well, he would give advice on reducing the military budgets of the United States and England, so it would be more logical ... :)
  25. +5
    27 February 2013 19: 04
    "So thinks prominent Russian expert in defense industry and military-technical cooperation Mikhail Barabanov "
    He is "prominent" only for foreign experts, but for ours I think that it is not an authority.
    1. +3
      27 February 2013 19: 10
      Quote: Byordovvv1
      He is "prominent" only for foreign experts, but for ours I think that it is not an authority.

      http://mdb.cast.ru/

      He works in the English edition
      1. +1
        27 February 2013 20: 52
        What type I write and read myself winked In this case, I’m interested in another question where there were such experts when in Russia there was a chronic underfunding of the Army for years, and none of the military-industrial complex shouted about the catastrophic state of affairs in these, that the defense was almost at zero. Apparently this suited them. Or you won’t make money from it, but here overseas friends pay well.
    2. +3
      27 February 2013 19: 17
      Vyacheslav, welcome hi
      Definition
      Quote: Byordovvv1
      "Prominent"

      apparently implied as - solid - bald, with a belly, in a top hat, with a cigar and with a viskar in a glass ...
  26. Andrey58
    +5
    27 February 2013 19: 05
    So says a prominent Russian expert on defense industry and military-technical cooperation, Mikhail Barabanov.

    I noticed this tendency. When in publications the terms "prominent" and "famous" are placed in front of the author's surname, then this, as a rule, turns out to be some obscure subject with strange ideas.
    1. +1
      28 February 2013 09: 10
      some obscure subject with strange ideas

      But with a very clear orientation.
    2. 0
      28 February 2013 15: 09
      Quote: Andrey58
      I noticed this tendency. When in publications the terms "prominent" and "famous" are placed before the author's surname, then this, as a rule, turns out to be some obscure subject with strange ideas

      Express yourself, dear Andrei, more precisely: a freaky person with schizoid ideas. By the way, it reminds specialists from Echo of Moscow ...
  27. ded
    +4
    27 February 2013 19: 10
    Obviously superfluous Drums considers the major costs of the fleet. Russia is a land power, but in the LG-2020 for equipment and weapons for the Navy provides almost twice as many funds (about 5 trillion rubles) than for equipment and weapons of the Ground and Airborne Forces (total 2,6 trillion rubles).


    You need to understand that from the 90s until recently, the army was saved. Therefore, now the country simply repays the debts of the Army. They saved on the fleet more than anything; therefore, they invest in the fleet more than anything.
    Russia is a land power


    However, Russia has the largest water border in the world, and taking into account the fact that glaciers melt and the northern sea route may open in the next 20 years, a large number of ships are simply necessary. Let this self-calling expert answer the following questions:

    1) What would happen to Yugoslavia if the Russian fleet were nearby?
    2) ... with Libya ...?
    3) What is so hindering the destruction of Syria?

    This is not an expert Drum, but simply empty as a drum magazine!
  28. +7
    27 February 2013 19: 11
    Prominent and famous?
    The first time I hear about this.
    It seems that another liberalist is working out overseas tranches ...
  29. +4
    27 February 2013 19: 25
    Go graze the BARS !!!!
  30. honest jew
    +4
    27 February 2013 19: 28
    keep it up Vladimir Vladimirovich! beat liberal iderasti and do not listen to anyone!
    1. +1
      27 February 2013 19: 30
      Quote: Honest Jew
      beat liberal iderasti and do not listen to anyone!

      So drive up, there will be few.
  31. 0
    27 February 2013 19: 28
    What language is the magazine published in? Right, in English. Those. for whom? Well, not for us. So whose money is it? Well, for whom it is written - those and money.
    The law on foreign agents should be extended to the media. The media is also politics.
    The example of Baranov clearly shows whose agent he is.
  32. +12
    27 February 2013 19: 31
    Moscow Defense Brief Magazine

    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------


    Output Frequency: 4 numbers per year
    Magazine price: 2905.15 rub.
    Country: Russia

    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------


    I did not find the Russian version. It smiled most of all.

    The magazine is an important resource for foreign governments, politicians, industrialists, political and economic experts and researchers,
    For such grandmothers for a magazine, I will not write this. In short, the speed info and express newspaper are resting.

    expert photo as a keepsake.
    1. +4
      27 February 2013 21: 24
      Hah, great. Found the site of this "magazine". is in runet, but everything is in English. And what an idiot would buy a magazine that comes out once a season for 3 kilo rubles. Or is it something from the category: "expensive - means Illitarno"?
    2. vovan1949
      +2
      27 February 2013 22: 25
      For memory? It would be better at the monument
    3. +1
      27 February 2013 23: 59
      Quote: vorobey
      Output Frequency: 4 numbers per year

      Do you think that owners need to transfer encryption more often? laughing
    4. 0
      28 February 2013 15: 16
      Quote: vorobey
      The magazine is an important resource for foreign governments, politicians, industrialists, political and economic experts.

      Topic! RZHUNEMAGU, how "objective and truthful" information is received from this magazine by all these foreign ....!
  33. 0
    27 February 2013 19: 33
    You are simply for whom the "fraction" is tapping out Mr. Barobanov ???
  34. plaksin150556
    +1
    27 February 2013 19: 33
    Mr. Barabanov did not allow not to take a NATO agent. Something he does not discuss the US military military budget
  35. +6
    27 February 2013 19: 33
    Hello everyone! Yes, what does the author have to do with it, for which they have so minuscule, he is not Drum. By the way, Barabanov has a lot of normal thoughts, for example: about Mistral, and also about Mistral, an interesting thought, well, also about Mistral, but I almost forgot about Mistral and all, really ???? laughing
    1. +8
      27 February 2013 19: 43
      Quote: evgenii67
      Barabanov has a lot of normal thoughts, for example: about Mistral, and also about Mistral, an interesting thought, well, also about Mistral, but I almost forgot about Mistral iiiiii, is there anything ????


      He also knocked about French equipment, considered his purchase archival and best practice. but in defense of footcloths did not come out ... s.uka
      1. +2
        27 February 2013 19: 51
        Quote: vorobey
        He also knocked about French equipment, considered his purchase archival and best practice. but in defense of footcloths did not come out ... s.uka


        Such a gat ...
  36. evil hamster
    +4
    27 February 2013 19: 36
    I strongly advise you to read it to the end, the second half of the article delivers much more, iksperd proposes to generally cancel or push back for the 20th year all new programs. A masterpiece.
  37. Phase
    +3
    27 February 2013 19: 42
    Mr. Barabanov’s expert assessments are not substantiated in any way and constitute an unfounded set of statements.
    Moscow Defense Brief magazine has never been seen. Who can be his audience, I can’t even imagine ...
  38. Valerik
    +2
    27 February 2013 19: 51
    I believe that the main mistake in the construction of the Mistral is that we do not build them at our shipyards, we would build together with the French, modern technologies and trained personnel would remain, and busy plants would have taxes on the treasury
    1. Cpa
      0
      28 February 2013 00: 10
      They think then to disassociate and copy!
  39. Evm12
    +1
    27 February 2013 19: 51
    Moscow Defense Brief magazine - what kind of magazine is this ?!
    Most likely from abroad. As they say "made in USA".
  40. -2
    27 February 2013 19: 55
    The article is very muddy.
    But there is truth in it The program is based on excessively optimistic deadlines for launching mass production of new weapons.
    I fully support this thesis; I know what I'm talking about. hi
    1. +1
      27 February 2013 20: 04
      Well Duc! Hedgehog, there’s also a proud bird, until you kick it, well, exactly like our military-industrial complex.
  41. +4
    27 February 2013 20: 07
    Obviously superfluous Drums considers the major costs of the fleet. Russia is a land power, but in the LG-2020 for equipment and weapons for the Navy provides almost twice as many funds (about 5 trillion rubles) than for equipment and weapons of the Ground and Airborne Forces (total 2,6 trillion rubles).

    This ehperd, before writing such vysery, would first have climbed at least to Wikipedia, which says that
    The total length of the borders of Russia is 60 km (of which 933 km are sea borders); the borders of Russia in the north and east are maritime, in the south and west are mostly land
    . if you already skipped geography at school and don’t know such basic things as the geography of your country (although the fact that Russia is his own country is doubtful for him)
  42. Drugar
    -6
    27 February 2013 20: 09
    If everyone has already unsubscribed about their indignation, Mr. Barabanov, showed that they understand something in all this, I ask you to pay attention to, without a doubt, one of the most important points of his analysis of the state program at the cost of 20 trillion:
    The implementation of GPV-2020 implies completely unrealistic growth rates of Russia's GDP. According to his simple calculations, with the level of military expenditures laid down in the program, in 2020 the GDP should amount to about 150 trillion rubles, that is, double in relation to the 2014 GDP.

    Curiously, no one even figured out "where is the money, Zin?" Or is the endless wealth of our country implied by itself? Keep in mind that this 20 trillion is the money that will not go to social projects, schools, kindergartens, hospitals, sick Russians, and healthy people too, to improve our life with you. This money will actually be taken from us. And, if we estimate that a good half of these funds will be taken away as usual, then it becomes completely sad ...
    Such a perspective is clearly a utopia, he argues.

    So, it’s worthwhile to figure out which is better: non-existing, but already outdated weapons or a developed economy and infrastructure, a high standard of living of the population of Great (it’s already some time ago) Russia.
    1. +12
      27 February 2013 21: 19
      Quote: Drugar
      So, it’s worthwhile to figure out which is better: non-existing, but already outdated weapons or a developed economy and infrastructure, a high standard of living of the population of Great (it’s already some time ago) Russia.


      Gaddafi has already figured that a high standard of living of citizens is better than rearmament of the army .. By the way, starting with the Gorbachev conversion and ending with Yeltsin's liberal reforms, practically nothing was spent on armaments and due to this, a "high standard of living of the population" was achieved, so what? Don't write nonsense - the military-industrial complex is the engine of everything in the modern world - science, technology, industry, infrastructure and even medicine ..
      1. Drugar
        -1
        1 March 2013 23: 01
        Do not write nonsense, do not need cheap comparisons of Libya and Russia. On this site a ride, but do not write anywhere else, they will laugh. The presence of a nuclear arsenal negates any parallels. You write about the need to swell gigantic funds in the military-industrial complex as a whole of social affairs, as if corruption in the army and in the Putin-Edros system have already been eradicated.
    2. +4
      27 February 2013 22: 20
      The only possible engine of our economy is the military-industrial complex. Work for the military-industrial complex gives life, jobs and technology. The adoption of the program has already breathed life into many enterprises in the province. Moreover, orders from machine builders finally appeared, and it is expensive.
      Probably this wind of change brings the sponsors of the drums to intestinal colic.
    3. +1
      28 February 2013 00: 02
      Quote: Drugar
      Curiously, no one even figured out "where is the money, Zin?"

      Well, they will shake off the young ladies from Taburetkin for a suspended sentence and the money will appear! Yes, here you can get a lot of people. They themselves will run "voluntary" assistance to the army. tongue
    4. 0
      28 February 2013 02: 55
      Drugar,
      Drugar,? Smelled of something Romanian, it is not clear why such "care" about Russian social programs wassat ?
  43. Atlon
    +6
    27 February 2013 20: 17
    Expert, you say? Prominent, you say? Well, well ... Today one "prominent" lawyer was lowered below the plinth ... However, the louder the barking, the more correct the direction. So, bark louder, gentlemen "prominent experts"!
  44. +4
    27 February 2013 20: 17
    Paid nonsense. And why did he decide that all hope for the country's GDP, part of the money would go from the stash, not for nothing that it was created.
  45. servant
    +3
    27 February 2013 20: 30
    Idiocy and not an article ..
  46. vik50
    +1
    27 February 2013 20: 32
    Our military-industrial complex will fly, if only to reduce stools with girlfriends to a minimum
  47. +4
    27 February 2013 20: 32
    Barabanov did not like the fact that "Russia was cool with the US proposal to go for a new mutual reduction of nuclear arsenals"! I think he, like the United States and the British, would be delighted if only Russia, as under the Orbat, carried out the reduction unilaterally, and even better with a "counter" plan to destroy its arsenals ...
    As one observer wrote: “No CIA agent did so much good for Russia's enemies as Gorbachev (and, perhaps, Yeltsin too). The father of perestroika capitulated to the West without war and without any external reason. The man surrendered the country. voluntarily "....
    1. 0
      27 February 2013 21: 26
      Obviously, I was either barabanov himself, or Tanya - the daughter of Yeltsin, or - humpbacked - the father of perestroika!
  48. vruslanv
    +2
    27 February 2013 20: 36
    In the school of geography and history, Mr. Barabanov probably had a deuce. And where then did Peter 1 "cut through" the window ... Wow, Russia is a land power .......
  49. +1
    27 February 2013 20: 41
    If he is such a prominent expert in his field, then what is it that I have not seen him anywhere?
  50. 0
    27 February 2013 20: 42
    Incorrect title - "A prominent expert" scolded the program ....
  51. +3
    27 February 2013 20: 45
    As our yard stoker said: “Experts like these can only light the stove!”
  52. sxn278619
    +3
    27 February 2013 20: 49
    There is nothing new in the article.
    The fact that the program will be implemented well is if 70% sensible experts said from the very beginning. Yes, we want our aircraft carrier groups to plow the oceans, missiles to travel by rail, and long-range bombers to overcome enemy air defense. But the world and we, together with it, cannot get out of the crisis; according to optimistic forecasts, its bottom will be in 2020. By this time, we must do everything possible to do the maximum.
  53. pilot mk
    +3
    27 February 2013 20: 51
    Everyone who is against the strong Russian army is an enemy. Alexander III also said: “Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy.” And just imagine how many high-paying jobs the military-industrial complex will create, although someone will have to retrain from a manager to a lathe operator or mechanic.
  54. stranik72
    0
    27 February 2013 20: 55
    In some ways, he (the author of the article) is still not hopeless, for example, I don’t understand why the Air Force adopted the MI-35, MI-28 and KA-52 helicopters, these are helicopters of the same class and purpose, multi-type leads to additional costs for their maintenance and the training of flight crews from type to type requires additional funding, while it is necessary to take into account that there is also the Mi-24, which in some parameters, flight and resource, is superior to the Mi-35, and the MI-28 too, it those systems that are on the MI-35 and Mi-28 have been mastered and can also be installed on it, I generally keep quiet about the KA-52, this is a specific helicopter and you can’t rely on it at all. Therefore, in the very near future it is necessary to decide on an attack helicopter for the Air Force; there should be only one. And the freed up funds will be used to create the next generation of combat helicopters.
    1. sergeybulkin
      0
      28 February 2013 09: 15
      While they are not planning to purchase these super-duper new helicopters, they are already modernizing the MI24, and their new variant will be produced for now, all these “Ka” alone cost the same as 5 pieces of MI24.
  55. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    +1
    27 February 2013 20: 58
    I’m not an expert and therefore I don’t know where the bias is towards the sea or the land, but the fact that the Mistrals are Vovin’s show-offs is for sure, with our military strategy we have neither goals nor objectives for these vessels, unless migrant workers are transported somewhere to the construction site of the Northern Sea by.....if there are specialists in amphibious operations at sea, I’ll be glad to listen...
    1. Cpa
      0
      28 February 2013 00: 15
      Have you heard of a flagship ship? Operational headquarters in a naval theater of operations?
  56. 0
    27 February 2013 21: 07
    Who is Mikhail Barabanov? Let him waltz! And as for “The program is based on overly optimistic timing for the launch of new types of weapons into mass production.” This can be fixed. There are many ways to speed up the process. Which ones are not difficult to guess. Result -120%
  57. optimist
    +3
    27 February 2013 21: 08
    One thing is clear: it is better to spend all this money on weapons than for those in power to steal it. And let it be better to have an “extra” destroyer than another yacht from Abramovich...
  58. 0
    27 February 2013 21: 16
    Who is Mikhail Barabanov? Let him waltz! And as for “The program is based on overly optimistic timing for the launch of new types of weapons into mass production.” This can be fixed. There are many ways to speed up the process. Which ones are not difficult to guess. Result -120%
  59. +2
    27 February 2013 21: 16
    the dog barks, the wind blows.... moron afftor)))) and little girl.... land power???!!! army of 700000????!!! new equipment is not needed??!! and missiles too ???!!!!... he is not an expert, he is a pronounced representative of sexual minorities))))
  60. +4
    27 February 2013 21: 26
    If agents of influence are making their presence known, then we are on the right track soldier
  61. +1
    27 February 2013 21: 55
    I didn’t even read it, minus
  62. vovan1949
    +2
    27 February 2013 22: 27
    If the Yankees offer us a reduction in nuclear weapons, then we need to improve and build them up.
  63. +2
    27 February 2013 22: 40
    Before you scold something, you need to understand the topic you are scolding. And be an expert in this topic.
    just because Mr. Mikhail Barabanov wrote something about the eight-day war, in which he deeply admires Sahaka, this does not give him the right to call himself a prominent Russian expert in matters of the defense industry and military-technical cooperation. If you are so cool, please advise, what needs to be done to increase the defense capability of the Motherland and in what order... otherwise I heard a ringing..... the Mistral is the achievement of stability precisely at our three points of interface with a potential enemy... the Black Sea, the Barents Sea and the Far East.....

    Take a risk, a prominent Russian expert in matters of the defense industry and military-technical cooperation, draw a strategic picture of increasing the defense capability of (our) Motherland, and don’t forget about space and the Northern and Southern Oceans...
  64. +1
    27 February 2013 22: 41
    For whom is this expert so prominent? For the Yankees for their money?
  65. +6
    27 February 2013 22: 42
    Mikhaml Barabanov Graduated from Moscow State University of Culture. Worked in Moscow municipal structures. Since May 2004, scientific editor of the Arms Export magazine. Since 2008 - researcher at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, editor-in-chief of the Moscow Defense Brief magazine.

    I don’t know if it makes sense to read the article after this?
    Apparently the next step will be an analytical article edited by Tseskaridze - modernization of the Navy in the 21st century?
  66. Avenger711
    0
    27 February 2013 22: 59
    You are all fools, but have you read the article itself? And it’s still from 2012 and just yesterday it appeared on Comrade’s blog. Gur Khan.
    http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/02/vedomosti.html#comment-form

    I don’t entirely agree with the article, especially against any reductions in fighters, we will survive the shortage of tanks, but modern war is decided in the air, but in general it is correctly stated that we now have:

    1) In fact, a second small army in the form of internal troops, and this is at least duplication and redundant positions with a bunch of stars on shoulder straps and huge salaries.
    2) Some specific small parts that, in the event of a conflict, will have zero value.
    3) A bunch of heavy bombers, the role of which as carriers of nuclear weapons is close to zero, especially the Tu-22M3, which simply will not reach America. Any neighbor except China can be forced to peace with one Tu-160 squadron. Increasing the accuracy of weapons simply reduces the number of sorties required to eliminate some heavy-duty target, which in Soviet times would have been attacked with FAB-10 from 9000 km, with appropriate accuracy.
    4) Caspian flotilla of 2 frigates and a handful of boats, whose role is still zero, and aviation will calmly bomb any potential enemy.
    5) Unrealistic deadlines for new development of new types of weapons, primarily PAK-FA, "Armata", armored cars. According to the latter, it is not even clear what to put in the turret; the new BMP will not be weaker than the BMP-3. Moreover, with any of them the situation may turn out to be such that the money planned for mass production will actually be allocated and it will have to be used. Mastering it is not a problem, no, I’m not talking about stealing it, but about launching it into series. Well, they will launch it, since there is a team. A crooked, oblique thing that will later become our F-35 and tons of dough will be spent on correcting dozens or even hundreds of “serial” samples. For the first time or what? This happens all the time, when after the first demonstration of a “working” project they begin to consider it ready.
    1. 0
      27 February 2013 23: 16
      Quote: Avenger711

      1) In fact, a second small army in the form of internal troops, and this is at least duplication and redundant positions with a bunch of stars on shoulder straps and huge salaries.
      I only agree with the first point. And if you also take into account the orange berets... What then should the Army do? The firefighters from the Ministry of Emergency Situations offered to buy me the protocol, the surgeons from Moscow Hospital No. 36 said that they would only operate for money, and where should a poor peasant go?
      1. Avenger711
        0
        27 February 2013 23: 59
        I don't see the connection between your post and mine.
      2. 0
        28 February 2013 00: 05
        Quote: Garrin
        surgeons from Moscow Hospital No. 36 said that they would only operate for money, but where could a poor peasant go?
        In no way applies to military surgeons. Real Men! Respect and Respect!
        It may sound a bit vulgar, don't mind it. "Golden Hands" is about you.
      3. +1
        28 February 2013 12: 02
        Quote: Avenger711
        1) In fact, there is a second small army in the form of internal troops, and this is at least duplication and redundant positions with a bunch of stars on shoulder straps and huge salaries.

        The authorities will categorically disagree with you... the internal troops are for “internal use”... if you go to the barricades, you will feel it first hand... request drinks
        1. Avenger711
          0
          1 March 2013 17: 15
          There is nothing stopping us from bringing in the military.
  67. -1
    27 February 2013 23: 07
    A, COSSACK CHICK, THEY ARE SENDED.............. ALTHOUGH ABOUT THE MISTRALS, MAYBE THERE IS A GRAIN OF COMMON SENSE......... ..............
  68. aleksandr46
    0
    27 February 2013 23: 18
    Let’s not talk about weapons - regarding the contract army, which the author believes should become Russian - how many soldiers and officers who began service before June 1941 reached Berlin?
    Contract soldiers or suicide bombers who will die in the first days of a more or less large-scale war, and will fight by conscription, who do not need minimal training in peacetime! Either contract soldiers are still suitable for colonial wars, like the West with Libya, or France now with Mali! Are we going to fight Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan?!
  69. +1
    27 February 2013 23: 27
    There is a fight ahead for the Northern Shelf, and this is not only the Navy, but also constant raids on land borders, compared to the possible dividends for this resource, even 50 trillion - ugh and grind!
  70. solidol
    +1
    28 February 2013 00: 06
    Quote: Valerik
    that the main mistake in the construction of the Mistrals is that we are not building them at our shipyards

    Is there at least one unloaded ferf of this size in the Russian Federation?
  71. Avenger711
    0
    28 February 2013 00: 45
    In general, no matter how much I despise Khrushchev, I can’t help but remember one story, no matter whether it’s real or not, but in general the sailors asked for money for the fleet, otherwise the amers, you know, are firmly in the ocean. Well, Khrushch calls Kuznetsov, the then commander-in-chief of the Navy, and asks:
    - Well, let’s say there’s a war tomorrow, all the ships are yours, will you defeat the USA?
    - No, I need more money.
    - The United States has a military budget that is 3 times larger than ours, they will simply build 3 times as many ships, so we will build submarines instead of the surface fleet.

    Everything is simple, zeros are equal to each other, you can save the Kuznetsov and the unique school of carrier-based aviation, but building less than 2 of the same ships with an attack wing of at least 36 vehicles for each ocean fleet will not achieve anything. And then the opportunities will only crush the banana republic, and even then not every one. You can pull the Orlans out of storage, but in a hypothetical confrontation with the US AUG they will not fundamentally change anything.
    It’s simply not worth even spending money on something if the investment still doesn’t provide anywhere near parity with the potential enemy.

    And on the other hand, who can threaten our T-90s? Georgia or something, or Türkiye. We don’t have any neighbors who have modern weapons in any dangerous quantities.

    At the same time, such expenses of unobvious expediency will limit the financing of those projects whose feasibility is beyond doubt.
  72. lyustra10
    0
    28 February 2013 01: 16
    In general, it’s quite strange that he, too, is rubbing shoulders with TsAST - Ruslan Pukhov is a completely adequate and knowledgeable comrade and, in principle, usually says the right things; he stands in government positions, so to speak. Probably, for the sake of objectivity and compliance with the principle of “thesis-antithesis” balance, this “Baranov” is kept))
  73. +2
    28 February 2013 01: 18
    I gave this “prominent” type of expert a hard minus.
    This is the opinion of a prominent Russian expert in matters of the defense industry and military-technical cooperation, Mikhail Barabanov. Under his leadership, the English-language magazine Moscow Defense Brief is published, one of the publications of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

    They themselves explained for whom this “expert” is trying. Another "swamp"
    As the expert points out, the implementation of the GPV-2020 assumes completely unrealistic GDP growth rates in Russia

    This expert doesn’t believe in us, doesn’t believe that Russia is rising from its knees and starting to pump its military muscle.
    Barabanov considers large expenditures on the fleet to be clearly unnecessary. Russia is a land power

    Who told him that? Look, woodpecker, what kind of “prominent military expert” is this who classified one of the most powerful naval powers since the time of Peter the Great as a purely land power? What the Western sponsors of the magazine are afraid of is that the Russian Navy began to receive ships and boats every year.
    However, there is something to cut, albeit slightly, in terms of costs for the Ground Forces. Thus, the expert recommends abandoning the purchase of the most expensive models until 2020 - tanks of the Armata program, infantry fighting vehicles of the Kurganets-25 series and heavy self-propelled artillery. They are promised to be supplied from 2015,

    Well, it’s like, why the hell “Ivans” have new equipment, stick to the old but proven one. Here is a female dog that is an expert.
    By the way, in the first half of February, the press reported that because of plans to build a new rocket in Moscow, the US’s proposal to go for a new reciprocal reduction of nuclear arsenals was cool. In Russia, fear of indignation of the military and representatives of the military-industrial complex, who have already promised money to create a rocket.

    And here are the owners of the “prominent military expert”, and why aren’t you talking like a nit, then in terms of reducing the US flag, they did not reduce anything in the 80-90s of the XNUMXth century, and what they declare is not confirmed by our commissions, which did not allow to US military installations. Well done, the United States wants to reduce nuclear weapons, let them start long ago.
    1. Avenger711
      -3
      28 February 2013 02: 49
      Well, it’s like, why the hell “Ivans” have new equipment, stick to the old but proven one.


      The delay in introducing new ones does not prevent the construction of existing models. However, there will be no “Armata” until 2020 anyway. They just won’t get it done sooner.

      Look, woodpecker, what kind of “prominent military expert” is this who classified one of the most powerful naval powers since the time of Peter the Great as a purely land power?


      It's just such a great maritime power, even though it had a decent fleet in a couple of continental puddles. Comparing the fleet of the Russian Empire with the fleets of the colonial powers, or the USSR fleet with the US fleet, is simply not even funny. Okay, you can still understand the heyday, when there were really dangerous opponents in the Black Sea and the Baltic, but now the Black Sea is just a trap for anyone who gets in there; planes won’t be allowed back. The modern Russian Federation has almost no bases abroad. But it has a lot of land on which you can place as many aircraft as you like and not let anyone come closer than 1000 km.
  74. -6
    28 February 2013 01: 19
    I don’t like herd mentality, so I will speak out in defense of the author:
    I would wonder if it is worth getting involved in another arms race without having an efficient economy? If the Soviet Union had spent petrodollars not on tanks, but on solving people’s problems, we would now be developing no worse than China.
    1. Avenger711
      +1
      28 February 2013 02: 33
      http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2011/12/vs.html

      Our problem is actually in the dispersal of funds, instead of following the principle of “do it properly, or not do it at all.”
      1. 0
        28 February 2013 10: 53
        I read the article at the link. Unfortunately, data on the percentage of the defense industry to the rest of the industry is only quantitative and does not take into account qualitative differences. The military-industrial complex took the best specialists from the economy; production capacities were at the level of world technologies. At the same time, other factories were riveting outdated products on worn-out machines.
  75. Svarog
    0
    28 February 2013 03: 59
    That you attacked the author, he writes articles for a foreign magazine, he is bought by foreign readers, he is: “... an important resource for foreign governments, politicians, industrialists, political and economic experts and researchers,” as they wrote above. We draw the correct conclusion - Barabanov is our own, an undercover officer, working for the GRU, FSB (successor to the KGB). The proceeds from the sale go towards the development of Almaty. :)
  76. +2
    28 February 2013 04: 52
    The US proposal to agree to a new mutual reduction of nuclear arsenals was greeted coolly in Moscow. Russia fears outrage from the military and representatives of the military-industrial complex, who have already been promised money to create a rocket

    everyone knows what mutual abbreviation is in American terms - in fact, abbreviation is only on one side, not the American one. And even if this time they go for real mutual reduction, then we will find ourselves at a huge disadvantage due to previous reductions. But no, it was absolutely necessary to denigrate our military and military-industrial complex, as if to say, “Wow, how greedy and bad they are, they only care about money, and not about world peace, as the good and peaceful Americans propose.”
    Definitely, the article is harmful, but that’s not the whole problem. Why is the Russian-language Defense Bulletin of Washington not published in the states, whose employees would freely study and assess the situation from the inside? It’s just that we have nowhere more democracy, it’s pouring over the edge, Americans have never dreamed of such a level of democracy. This is why many people throw mud at their homeland and get paid for it.
  77. +1
    28 February 2013 05: 21
    A little about the title of the article. Whoever came up with it clearly wanted to set up readers for supposedly “fair” criticism of our military programs, even if he was a prominent expert, and not a bunch of crooks, like he knows what he’s talking about, he criticized not just a program, but an over-expensive one, and even Putin to be proud of, that's it. In reality, it is impossible to call Barabanov a military expert. And yet, links to articles with their names are scattered all over the Internet, many ignore these links, but the name is imprinted in the memory, which is most likely what it is designed for. After all, it was possible to write “An employee of an English-language publication criticized Russia’s arms program until 2020.”
  78. +9
    28 February 2013 05: 36
    Barabanov, your friends are happy.
  79. +1
    28 February 2013 06: 00
    I agree with this same Barabanov that the program is too optimistic, BUT if we lower the goals and objectives, then the result will be even less, since the program is unlikely to be 100% fulfilled. I think 90% completion can be called successful, so ambitious goals must be set!
  80. +1
    28 February 2013 06: 00
    Another messenger.
  81. +2
    28 February 2013 08: 18
    Barabanov, the name speaks for itself.
    1. +2
      28 February 2013 09: 30
      yeah, empty inside))
  82. Markel
    +2
    28 February 2013 08: 40
    I haven't read such nonsense for a long time. An expert, an expert)))) I especially liked that we are a land power!)))) Yes, the name in this case really speaks for itself!))) A misdirected Cossack in my opinion!)
  83. +3
    28 February 2013 08: 42
    To pound and pound.... Once again I was convinced that the experts are 3,14.. BOLS!!!!!
    They never have a common opinion!!! Everyone has a different scenario, but in reality everything happens differently... Well, the phrase: “Russia is a land power, but the GPV-2020 provides almost twice as much funds for equipment and weapons for the Navy” - simply aroused sympathy for this person, t .To. This is what people who probably have a head full of KOO-KOO might think!!!! fool
  84. Region65
    +2
    28 February 2013 08: 53
    This is the opinion of a prominent Russian expert in matters of the defense industry and military-technical cooperation, Mikhail Barabanov. Under his leadership, the English-language magazine Moscow Defense Brief is published - one of the publications of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies....and how long has Baranov seen this most prominent excrement of a heavy fist on the top of his head? :)))
  85. +2
    28 February 2013 08: 55
    Article, nonsense. But I really liked the unanimous opinion in the comments.
  86. sergeybulkin
    0
    28 February 2013 09: 21
    So what if there are big plans, well, let there be a lot of money for weapons, at least this money will stay at home and work for us and not for the bourgeoisie! Money should not lie and mold in banks, it should work.
  87. +2
    28 February 2013 09: 30
    He needs to hammer a nail into his head; he only needs it for food anyway.
  88. Uncle Serozha
    0
    28 February 2013 09: 32
    This “expert assessment” is not worth talking about.
  89. 0
    28 February 2013 09: 51
    Good article... useful... makes it clear who the fuck is...
    And from the comments it is clear that the country is growing stronger not in sleep, but in spirit...
  90. 0
    28 February 2013 09: 51
    This Barabanov certainly doesn’t give a damn about Russia! But he diligently serves his masters, so let him clean up for them. Maybe the program for the development of the armed forces is not good in some ways, I’m not an expert. But suggest how to improve, and stupid criticism no longer works.
  91. +1
    28 February 2013 09: 57
    In order to reach at least the previous level that was reached by the USSR Armed Forces before they were killed by Gorby and his comrades, without afterburner, i.e. An “extra-costly” regime cannot be avoided, because a lot needs to be restored from zero, if not from minus level.
    All other options obviously doom the Russian Armed Forces to the fate of always catching up and always lagging behind. And this is always fraught with the fact that one of the “sworn friends” will have a desire to try the “Russian nut” before the nut acquires the proper strength. And then it’s over for everyone, because... the only option would be to respond to even a weak bite with all your might.
  92. +1
    28 February 2013 12: 29
    The article is definitely a minus. This is just some kind of sabotage. Such scribblers (emphasis on the first syllable) should be drowned in toilets. F the furnace, definitely.
  93. Serg_Y
    0
    28 February 2013 12: 40
    (-) It’s a shame they translated the “English expert”; I haven’t read such crap for a long time.
  94. stjrm
    0
    28 February 2013 12: 54
    Here are those on. Russia is a land power.....Holy shit!!!!!!!!
    The “expert” apparently doesn’t even know that for both Mistrals (I’m not a supporter of this program) approximately 40% of the hull, or rather the aft sections, are being built here at the Baltic Shipyard........
    If he doesn’t know these things, then what kind of....mother is he an Expert.....
    He's just drumming.........
  95. 0
    28 February 2013 14: 52
    expert is an asshole - sorry, but that's how it is :)

    Why the hell does a weapons expert get into the economy, from which he knows the word GDP? especially since such experts are now advanced, every cricket considers itself an expert

    I considered and will continue to consider as experts those people who have worked with a certain technique for a long time, know its advantages and disadvantages from their own experience and, based on this knowledge, they can compare it with analogues

    otherwise an expert sits on a chair, reading Internet sites and visiting exhibitions - well then, with the same success, I’m an expert and half the audience of this site :)

    Well, yes, let's extend the purchase of weapons for 100 years, they don't care about the experts, they will happily teach Chinese or English if they agree to learn something as their native language
  96. rem
    rem
    +1
    28 February 2013 15: 21
    What kind of PROMINENT EXPERT is this, no last name, no first name, no patronymic, just another one working off the State Department’s money.
  97. 0
    28 February 2013 23: 51
    The article, of course, is vile, but its root cause is really real: we will not be able to collect these 23 trillion rubles from the economy if there is no economic growth... And the figures for this growth now seem completely unrealistic: in the next 3 years growth should reach 10% per year and remain no lower than this level for another 5 years... And we joined the WTO, like Kuchma. The only thing that is encouraging is that, theoretically, we have not yet achieved what was done in the USSR: absolutely all goods were produced, from needles to spaceships, but the food supply was poor. And then there were still reserves. So there is still something that can be developed, and there is hope that we will get through.
  98. 0
    3 March 2013 13: 12
    time will judge..)

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