The promising system for protecting the Strategic Missile Forces mobile group is meaningless, ineffective and dangerous

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The promising system for protecting the Strategic Missile Forces mobile group is meaningless, ineffective and dangerous

On August 8, the Army Collection, No. 8 for 2024, published an article entitled “Neutralizing a Prompt Global Strike,” which examines “A Prospective System for Protecting a Mobile Group Strategic Missile Forces under conditions of exposure to enemy air and space attack weapons in conventional equipment."

So, the article examines the threat of a surprise strike inflicted by the United States and the NATO bloc using conventional air-space attack weapons of various types to destroy command posts and launchers of the Strategic Missile Forces (Strategic Missile Forces) - an integral part of our strategic nuclear forces ( strategic nuclear forces). Hypersonic missiles are considered to be a threat weapon, loitering munitions, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and dual-use spacecraft. The strike will be carried out according to data from space reconnaissance means - Earth remote sensing satellites (ERS).



It is planned to resist the United States (NATO countries are clearly making weight here) by creating a zone of uncertainty in the location of mobile ground-based missile systems (GGRK), including due to the impact of combat laser systems (BLK) on enemy remote sensing satellites, the destruction of airborne missile systems, as well as disruption of control loops SVKN.

To destroy the SVKN, it is proposed to use existing air defense systems (Defense) short and medium range, such as the Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and gun systems (ZPRK), Tor anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) and Buk SAM systems of various modifications.

It is also planned to use electronic warfare equipment to protect against SVKN (EW), such as the R-330Zh "Zhitel", R-330M1P "Diabazol" and "Krasukha-20", radar complexes (RLK) "Divnomorye" and "Pole-21". To counter optical reconnaissance satellites, it is planned to use the combat laser complex (BLK) "Peresvet".


Electronic warfare complex "Krasukha"

Today we will talk about why the proposed system for protecting the Strategic Missile Forces mobile group under the influence of conventionally equipped enemy aerospace attack weapons will be meaningless, ineffective and even dangerous for the national security of the Russian Federation (RF).

First of all, let's deal with the threats.

Fast global strike


Prompt Global Strike (GSU) is a military-strategic initiative of the US Armed Forces, aimed at ensuring the ability to strike with conventional weapons anywhere on the planet within an hour.

The following were considered as BSU weapons:

- intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), as well as non-nuclear submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs);

- hypersonic cruise missiles (CR) and hypersonic glide vehicles;

- orbital impact platforms.

As we see, there are no UAVs or loitering munitions here, since they contradict the BGU concept, of course, unless we are talking about hypersonic UAVs, but so far those do not exist.


Initially considered BGU weapon

In general, the BGU was not initially intended to inflict a strategic defeat on the enemy by depriving him of the ability to launch a retaliatory or retaliatory nuclear strike. For this purpose, there are two forms of attack - a sudden decapitating blow and a sudden disarming blow. As the name implies, a sudden decapitation strike is intended to destroy the enemy’s military-political leadership, and a sudden disarming strike is intended to destroy elements of the enemy’s nuclear deterrent forces.

So, in the near future, it is not possible to successfully deliver a sudden decapitating blow and a sudden disarming blow using conventional weapons.

Hit government bunkers located deep under Moscow with conventional ammunition? And is it guaranteed? Without this, what is the point of striking at strategic missile forces control centers?

Please note that in the article “Neutralizing a rapid global strike” only the PGRK protection system is considered, and why? Yes, because there will be no conventional ammunition capable of hitting ICBMs in highly protected silo launchers (silos) with an acceptable probability in the near future - even for nuclear warheads (NCU) this probability is significantly less than one.


At the moment and in the near future, it is impossible to hit an ICBM located in a highly protected silo with an acceptable probability

It will look somehow strange if the enemy begins to take out our PGRKs with conventional weapons, but at the same time does not touch the ICBMs in the silos. And if he hits the silos, he will have to use nuclear warheads. And if it comes to the use of nuclear weapons, then what is the point of hitting the PGRK with conventional ammunition, significantly reducing your chances of a successful attack? Moreover, in case of failure, the unaffected PGRK will definitely fire back with far from conventional ammunition.

For a conventional munition with a monobloc warhead weighing about 500 kilograms, it is necessary to ensure a hit accuracy of about ten meters; for a conventional munition with a cluster warhead, it is necessary to ensure a hit accuracy of about one hundred meters, and a nuclear munition with a high probability will destroy “delicate” PGRKs at a distance of several kilometers from the point of impact, so why would the enemy take the risk?

In this way, if the enemy decides to launch a sudden decapitation strike and a sudden disarming strike, then he will definitely use ammunition with a nuclear warhead.

And if ammunition with nuclear warheads is used, then the “Prospective system for protecting a mobile group of the Strategic Missile Forces under the influence of enemy aerospace attack means in conventional equipment” does not make any sense, since the first detonation of ammunition with nuclear warheads in the air will disable all its elements, as at least for a while, and then it will be too late.

But let’s assume that the enemy nevertheless decided on this adventure and attacks the PGRK with the help of ammunition with a conventional warhead. Conventionally, the “Prospective system for protecting a mobile group of the Strategic Missile Forces in conditions of exposure to enemy aerospace attack means in conventional equipment” can be divided into a destruction subsystem, which will include air defense systems and air defense missile systems, and a cover subsystem, which will include electronic warfare equipment, radar and BLK "Peresvet" .

Damage subsystem


The conditional defeat subsystem, according to the authors of the article “Neutralizing a rapid global strike,” should include air defense systems of the “Pantsir” family, as well as “Tor” air defense systems and “Buk” air defense systems of various modifications. As we said above, their targets will be the warheads of ICBMs and SLBMs, hypersonic missile launchers, as well as ammunition launched from orbital strike platforms.

There can be no talk of any UAVs and loitering ammunition, because if UAVs and loitering ammunition are circling in the combat patrol areas of our PGRKs, and we do not strike back or retaliate, then that’s it - the war is over, we have lost.

As for the warheads of ICBMs and SLBMs, hypersonic missile launchers, as well as ammunition launched by orbital strike platforms, they will all be hypersonic, that is, their final speed will exceed 1 meters per second, and most likely for those being developed in the USA gliding hypersonic warheads, the speed at the final stage will be up to 500-4 meters per second, that is, about 000-6 Mach (Mach - the speed of sound). The rate of descent of the warheads of ICBMs and SLBMs even reaches 000–12 meters per second.


The American hypersonic air-launched missile AGM-183A ARRW (Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon) should reach speeds of up to 6 meters per second

None of the air defense systems or air defense missile systems under consideration are capable of fighting such targets in principle.

Theoretically, of the complexes under consideration, the Buk-M3 air defense system can fight hypersonic missiles, but provided that their speed in the final section is no more than 3 meters per second, the rest have no chance at all. But, as the authors of the above article themselves say, the Buk-M000 air defense system does not work while moving, so it still needs to be deployed.


SAM "Buk-M3"

Perhaps the S-500 air defense system could cope with some targets, but this is not certain.

Thus, the conditional destruction subsystem from the “Advanced system for protecting the mobile group of the Strategic Missile Forces under the influence of enemy aerospace attack means in conventional equipment” is not capable of withstanding airborne missile systems, which could potentially be used by the PGRK within the framework of the BGU, regardless of whether they are in conventional or nuclear equipment.

Cover subsystem


The conditional cover subsystem, according to the authors of the article “Neutralizing a rapid global strike,” should include electronic warfare equipment, radar and BLK “Peresvet”, should ensure the secrecy of the PGRK and suppress airborne attack systems, for example, by jamming satellite navigation system (GPS) signals.

And here we have a number of problems.

All of the above means should theoretically ensure functional suppression of enemy airborne missile guidance systems and enemy reconnaissance means - remote sensing satellites, again, since if reconnaissance UAVs and manned enemy reconnaissance aircraft are circling in the combat patrol areas of our PGRKs, then we have already lost the war. Functional suppression is an unreliable thing, since at any given moment in time we cannot be sure whether the enemy’s air defense systems and reconnaissance assets are suppressed or not.

For example, how can we talk about jamming satellite navigation system (GPS) signals for SVKN, if subsonic Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs often perfectly reach objects located deep in the territory of our country, while these kamikaze UAVs are low-speed, and therefore tend to accumulate errors determining their location when they are in a GPS signal jamming zone; as for hypersonic high-speed missile systems, due to their high speed they will not have time to deviate from the target, even if the GPS signal is jammed at the final section of the trajectory.

The same applies to remote sensing satellites - how can we be sure that they are suppressed?

We should start with the fact that this entire “gypsy convoy” - a PGRK with security vehicles, air defense systems and air defense missile systems, electronic warfare equipment, etc., will stretch for several kilometers, thereby multiplying the likelihood of detecting a PGRK. Even if they are placed at some distance, the enemy will clearly pay attention to the bustle in the area and draw the appropriate conclusions.


“Oboz” PGRK with additional cover from air defense systems and electronic warfare systems will stretch for kilometers

At the same time, the operation of electronic warfare and radar systems will be guaranteed to be detected by the enemy’s electronic reconnaissance satellites (RTR), of which there are already many, and in the near future there will be a huge number. There are suggestions that RTR equipment can even be installed on low-orbit satellites of the Starlink high-speed communications network as an undocumented payload – Although the SpaceX company is private, it works closely with the Pentagon.

Simultaneously The United States is working to deploy a network of next-generation military satellites, Starshield., capable of tracking targets on the surface in real time.

What can we talk about here, if even civilian remote sensing satellites can provide anyone with images of the surface in the radar wavelength range. In particular, in December 2020 we talked about this in the material Capella Space's All-Seeing Eye: Harbinger of the Satellite Intelligence Revolution - then the Capella Space company offered photographs with a resolution of 0,5 meters to everyone. And now satellite data provider Umbra is delivering high-resolution radar wavelength imagery with its new line of Mission Solutions satellites. 16 centimeters (!), in words: sixteen centimeters.


Umbra's Mission Solutions satellite

What then are the capabilities of radar reconnaissance satellites of the intelligence services and the US Armed Forces?

Are the above electronic warfare equipment capable of jamming the above DZ3 satellites? If so, why do we still see on enemy resources images of Russian objects taken by remote sensing satellites in the radar wavelength range before and after strikes on them by Ukrainian long-range precision weapons?

The ability to functionally suppress remote sensing satellites in the optical wavelength range using the Peresvet BLK is also questionable - how can we be sure that the satellite is really suppressed? Any calculations here can hardly be considered relevant, since we do not know for certain the stability, sensitivity and selectivity of enemy satellite matrices, their optical system, installed protective filters and much more.

The second question is - will we suppress the Peresvet BLK all optical reconnaissance satellites in the area, military and civilian, of all countries? If not, then there is no guarantee that any of them is not working for the enemy.

And if two or three, or even more, enemy optical reconnaissance satellites are simultaneously located over the PGRK combat patrol area, which is quite likely in the near future, then how many Peresvet BLKs will we need in order to suppress them all?


How many Peresvet BLKs will be needed to cover all PGRKs from all enemy optical reconnaissance satellites in combat patrol areas?

Thus, the conventional cover subsystem from the “Advanced system for protecting a mobile group of the Strategic Missile Forces in conditions of exposure to enemy aerospace attack means in conventional equipment” is not capable of ensuring the secrecy of the PGRK and suppressing airborne attack forces; moreover, elements of the specified system can additionally unmask the area where the PGRK is located .

Conclusions


Based on the above, the “Prospective system for protecting a mobile group of the Strategic Missile Forces in conditions of exposure to enemy aerospace attack means in conventional equipment” is meaningless, ineffective and dangerous.

Pointless because the enemy will not inflict BGU using conventional weapons, but will deliver a sudden decapitation strike and a sudden disarming strike using nuclear warheads.

Ineffective, because it will not be able to ensure the secrecy of the PGRK, nor the suppression and/or defeat of airborne attack systems, which can be used as part of a sudden decapitation strike and a sudden disarming strike, nor even ensure the suppression and/or defeat of conventional airborne attack systems, which can be used as part of application of BGU.

Dangerous, because it gives a false impression that it can fulfill its purpose, but a sudden decapitation blow and a sudden disarming blow is not a war in Ukraine, most likely there will be no second chance.

PGRK - everything, at least within the framework of strategic nuclear forces. All ICBMs from the Strategic Missile Forces must be placed in highly protected silos.

Even The United States, which has a mighty fleet exceeding in total combat power all the fleets of all countries of the world combined, keeps more than a third of its nuclear arsenal of constant readiness in silos, while it does not have a PGRK at all and never has had one, and this despite the fact that our space reconnaissance assets are significantly inferior to the American ones.

However, the PGRK will not remain idle; for example, they can be used to launch small-sized spacecraft (SC) and/or satellites in the event that the cosmodromes are destroyed during high-intensity combat operations, while the mobility of the PGRK will allow it to be brought to the optimal position for launching a spacecraft into a given orbit.


Russia already has experience in converting SLBMs into spacecraft carriers; the same can be done with ICBMs deployed on the PGRK

Or PGRK can be used to launch ICBMs or intermediate-range ballistic missiles (IRBMs) with a conventional warhead within the framework of Strategic Conventional Forces, if any are created.

This will make it possible to separate the launch areas of nuclear-armed ICBMs/MRBMs from silos and conventionally equipped ICBMs/MRBMs from PGRK for the orbital segment of the American enemy missile attack warning system (EWS), thereby minimizing the risk of an accidental outbreak of a nuclear war (for this, the United States must know , that we do not have PGRK with ICBMs and MRBMs with nuclear warheads).


Russia needs Strategic Conventional Forces

In both the first and second cases, PGRK will no longer be a priority target for a sudden disarming strike by the enemy using nuclear warheads.

Could there be any benefit at all from the “Advanced system for protecting a mobile group of the Strategic Missile Forces in conditions of exposure to enemy aerospace attack weapons in conventional equipment”?

Yes, but only to suppress “image” strikes delivered by such primitive countries as Ukraine, which are unable to cause critical damage to the strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation, but from the moment all Russian ICBMs are deployed in highly protected silos, “Prospective system for protecting the mobile group of the Strategic Missile Forces in the conditions impact of enemy aerospace attack means in conventional equipment” will completely lose its significance.
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  1. +15
    10 August 2024 06: 46
    Hmm... The author forgot about the donkey loaded with gold... That's what we see
    1. +7
      10 August 2024 06: 55
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      What we see

      Or a “dead” padishah!
      1. +4
        10 August 2024 08: 23
        Yes, if they fight with ordinary spears with silver ones
  2. +6
    10 August 2024 07: 01
    Yeah, Mitrofanov broke through. We’re preparing Jerusalem artichoke. It removes radiation well. We won’t go to heaven, that’s for sure.
  3. 0
    10 August 2024 07: 09
    Russia needs to create a wide network of space and air reconnaissance, but our leadership is stuck on creating AWACS.
    Why not conduct research on the creation of low-power tactical nuclear weapons using a “filling” with a fast half-life, when radioactive contamination of the area will last for several days or even hours?
    * * *
    Delivery vehicles must be hypersonic and have sufficient range.
    * * *
    There must be air defense and missile defense systems!
    1. +5
      10 August 2024 08: 26
      Deripaska and Abramovich invest in this without any problem for Friedman and so everything is fine
    2. +3
      10 August 2024 09: 44
      Are you not on friendly terms with physics? A short half-life (how did you say - "a day"?..)) suggests a huge activity of this isotope - even cockroaches will die. And in general, those very isotopes that are used now (and in the future) in nuclear weapons - exactly two pieces)
      1. +5
        10 August 2024 09: 48
        Quote: glk63
        Are you not good with physics?

        Imagine, I stopped being interested after the promises of GDP about the use of weapons based on new physical principles...
        What's interesting here?
        Oh, how many wonderful discoveries we have.
        Prepare an enlightened spirit,
        And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
        And genius, the paradoxes friend
        And the case, god is the inventor.
        1. +4
          10 August 2024 09: 52
          There is no need to take poets literally...)
          1. +7
            10 August 2024 09: 53
            Quote: glk63
            You don't need to take poets literally...

            Poets must be taken literally, these are politicians, as a rule, all liars (for the most part)...
      2. +6
        10 August 2024 15: 46
        Quote: glk63
        in nuclear weapons - exactly two pieces)

        In addition to Uranium and Plutonium, there is also Beryllium and Cobalt... But this is not the limit...
        Yes
        1. +1
          11 August 2024 21: 23
          And none of them are independent.
          But only an appendage to plutonium and uranium.
          Elements are written with a small letter, and planets with a capital letter.
          Well it is.
        2. +1
          12 August 2024 04: 14
          It’s especially funny about beryllium) About cobalt (60?) - this is about a “Doomsday bomb?”, as I understand it) I talked about fissile materials that are currently used in nuclear and thermonuclear weapons) (I would also understand if thorium mentioned)) And all this nonsense about californium and other exotic things is for science fiction writers)
        3. 0
          3 October 2024 10: 46
          And also hydrogen, sodium and potassium.
    3. 0
      10 August 2024 12: 16
      when will radioactive contamination of an area last for several days or even hours?

      Why then should it be nuclear?
    4. 0
      11 August 2024 21: 21
      A filling with a fast half-life has an extremely short life cycle.
  4. 0
    10 August 2024 08: 20
    Just the abbreviations made my brain boil! And after that it completely froze: If so, then why do we still see on enemy resources satellites of Russian objects made by remote sensing satellites in the radar wavelength range before and after strikes on them by Ukrainian long-range precision weapons?
  5. +4
    10 August 2024 08: 28
    In short, the meaning of M.’s article can be expressed with a fragment from the film “The Diamond Arm”!
    1. +3
      11 August 2024 21: 43
      And this is true.
      We need to clearly understand that we are still defenseless against a disarming strike.
      The arrival of nuclear warheads from Tridents within 5-7 minutes at all our command posts, silos, and naval bases is an absolute reality!!!
      Total 11 SSBNs
      10 American and one British.
      They can even shoot from the surface. No one will really bother them anyway.
      Approximately 256 missiles can easily cover everything. Of these, 50-60 missiles are with 8 MIRVs, the remaining 200 are with 14 MIRVs.
      In total, approximately 3200 warheads.
      Even if they act according to their tactics of 2 warheads from different missiles on 1 target, the minimum number of targets hit in a sudden disarming strike will be around 1100-1200, taking into account different areas.
      And yes, we just understand that nothing can be done about it.
      Just realize and accept.
      This concept of a "disarming strike" is not a figment of fantasy, but the result of an assessment:
      1. Trident missile capabilities 2.
      2. Numbers of Ohio SSBNs.
      3. The state of the US adversary navies.
      It would be strange, having such superiority, not to come up with a similar strategy.
      1. +2
        11 August 2024 21: 58
        Total 11 SSBNs
        10 American and one British.
        They can even shoot from the surface. No one will really bother them anyway.

        And I thought that they were all being herded and held at gunpoint. Just in case.
        1. 0
          11 August 2024 22: 23
          Quote: alystan
          Total 11 SSBNs
          10 American and one British.
          They can even shoot from the surface. No one will really bother them anyway.

          And I thought that they were all being herded and held at gunpoint. Just in case.


          Well, yes, yes ...
          To “graze” them normally, you need to have approximately 60-70 nuclear submarines in the fleet.
          Cover your bases, cover your SSBNs, look for enemy SSBNs, and accompany them when detected, without getting caught at gunpoint by an enemy nuclear submarine, both the accompanying SSBN and those nuclear submarines that control our naval bases and sit on their tail when leaving. Also, don’t forget the enemy’s PLO aircraft.
          The commander of our nuclear submarine, who penetrated “half a carasic” into Juan de Fuca, during the testing of one of the Nuts, was recognized as a Hero. although it is hundreds of miles from Bremerton.
          Although he was very lucky.
          And that was a very long time ago.
          1. -1
            11 August 2024 22: 28
            as well as those nuclear submarines that control our naval bases and land on their tail when leaving.

            But often those who lose track... belay
            1. -1
              11 August 2024 23: 23
              How often?
              Sorry, when I read the memoirs of our submariners, loss of contact on their part very often ended in collisions.
              Was it lost contact, or “you don’t understand, this is different”?
              1. -2
                11 August 2024 23: 54
                You wrote “they are on their tail”, I wrote “they are losing track”.
                And technically correct, of course, is “losing contact.”

                Well, as an example, a recent case (from June of this year) about the nuclear submarine “Kazan”, which the Americans lost and unsuccessfully tried to find (establish contact), and who knows, perhaps they would hardly have been discovered if it had not surfaced not far from Florida .
                1. +3
                  12 August 2024 00: 41
                  Quote: alystan
                  You wrote “they are on their tail”, I wrote “they are losing track”.
                  And technically correct, of course, is “losing contact.”

                  Well, as an example, a recent case (from June of this year) about the nuclear submarine “Kazan”, which the Americans lost and unsuccessfully tried to find (establish contact), and who knows, perhaps they would hardly have been discovered if it had not surfaced not far from Florida .

                  Don't repeat this nonsense.
                  Nobody lost anyone.
                  Enough of the propaganda here already.
                  she was accompanied by a dozen anti-aircraft aircraft and NATO ships, and no one was afraid of anything.
                  Moreover, experienced people have already written that this campaign was not just a failure, it was a betrayal.
                  When the newest boat was simply given to Westerners for study and they copied it in all ranges.

                  You will repeat about the cookie or about the nuclear submarine that surfaced at the Statue of Liberty.
                  Near Miami, yeah.
                  This is from the same opera, our propaganda about how our strategic aircraft approached the US borders.
                  People think what a great guy, they flew across the Pacific Ocean to the continental United States. To San Francisco there, Seattle, Los Angeles.
                  But in fact, they flew over eastern Chukotka, slightly brushing the Bering Strait. and that's all.
                  And they didn’t lie. The USA with its western and deserted Dance is only 70 km away.
                  But people think one thing, but in fact it's another. Alaska is not the USA. Alaska is a torn-off piece of the USA.
                  Do you understand the difference?
        2. 0
          12 August 2024 16: 55
          Quote: alystan
          And I thought that they were all being herded and held at gunpoint. Just in case.

          In fact, there is no need to herd SSBNs in the ocean. We need to herd the bases, or more precisely, the number of SSBNs at the berths.
          The departure of a large number of SSBNs to sea is a signal of danger. Because it is impossible to launch a pre-emptive strike from bases - during the flight time the SPRYAU will have time to react.
          1. 0
            12 August 2024 16: 59
            There is no need to cling to words, I did not mean the entire fleet of their SSBNs.
            What, then, do you think the Russian military is doing, if not monitoring the forces of the adversary in real time?
      2. 0
        3 October 2024 10: 49
        It would be strange to have such an advantage and not take advantage of the moment.
        And if we are not yet in paradise, then apparently our overseas comrades have come to the conclusion that the potential risks significantly outweigh the possible benefits. And, apparently, the Russian nuclear potential is capable of turning our opponents on itself.
  6. +5
    10 August 2024 08: 42
    The only defense can only be a reduction in the size of the missiles, an increase in their number and multiple decoys.
    .
    The rocket must be monoblock and fit into a truck. There should be a lot of missiles and decoys - at least 10. Then no BSU will be enough for everyone. A small 000-10 ton missile can be hidden in any arched warehouse.
    The ammunition must be maintenance-free during decades of service: i.e. no thermonuclear or plutonium, only uranium warheads.
    For the same reasons, the rocket must be liquid with automatic refueling before launch.
    1. +6
      10 August 2024 11: 20
      The rocket must be monoblock and fit into a truck.

      Better in a Gazelle or pickup
      There should be a lot of missiles and decoys - at least 10.

      No, no. At least a million
      .A small 10-15 ton missile can be hidden in any arched warehouse.

      And 100 kilograms in any rural toilet
      . The ammunition must be maintenance-free for decades of service:

      Why? Why so little? It’s better to immediately think in centuries
      . those. no thermonuclear or plutonium, only uranium warheads.

      That's right, let's get back to the roots. In the old days they knew how to make things
      For the same reasons, the rocket must be liquid with automatic refueling before launch.

      Ampulization? This is for suckers. Only gas station, only hardcore
      1. +5
        10 August 2024 16: 13
        Quote: Winnie76
        In the old days they knew how to do things...only hardcore

        Vinnie -- good
        Let me insert my 5 cents!
        = The rocket must be monoblock,))) - So this is just a dream of the Pentagon and the ever-memorable politicians of the XV period!!! The Yankees are still not able to distinguish the BB from the TLC with 100% probability!!! Their missile defense system does not have enough target channels to work on a salvo of 10 ICBMs with MIRVs surrounded by LCs!!!
        = The rocket must <> fit into the truck. A small 10-15 ton missile can be hidden in any arched warehouse. ))) Well, yes... But where do you put the PU? Technical support vehicles. And the main thing is that such a “rocket” will have enough energy exactly until Zhmerinka, but what about ICBM-orbs, which, unlike the States, we did have! You no longer have to dream with such “scales”.
        = The ammunition must be maintenance-free during decades of service: i.e. no thermonuclear or plutonium, only uranium warheads.))) Oh how! Do you use matches as a trigger? or "lighter"??? Have you heard anything about the natural decay of R/A materials??? Well, well.... In general, do you have any idea about the structure of the simplest LAN??? Why do we need PL, U, a layer of deuterite Li and all sorts of “spacers”.... It even became interesting: how are you going to initiate a “uranium warhead” without a plutonium trigger!? Maybe it already exists, but we don’t know, so tell us, plz, don’t hide the “terrible military secret”... lol
      2. 0
        11 August 2024 20: 51
        As I understand it, the rude impudent fellow doesn't have his own version. Instead of an honest analysis - only banter. But each of my thoughts is based on thoughtful calculation.
        For example, the requirement for a liquid rocket. Storing solid rockets requires complex conditions. Read about the stability conditions of the fuel of the same Minutemen. Dry tanks of liquid rockets can be stored indefinitely, and corrosion-resistant tanks for long-term fuel storage have no weight restrictions.
        A 15 ton ICBM can throw a 100 kg warhead into the states. You can’t fit such a rocket in a gazelle. a smaller ICBM is unusable, because The minimum weight of a uranium warhead is 65 kg.
        A million missiles and decoys are good, but unrealistic. Let's look at the sufficient numbers. This number is based on an estimate of the possible number of targets for the BSU. The Amers won’t be able to handle any more for now (on the Internet there was a figure of 6000), and we don’t need any more for now either.
        A uranium warhead can be stored for up to a hundred years without losing its properties, while thermonuclear ones need to be reloaded every six years. Storing plutonium charges is completely beyond common sense, unless they are used right now. Uranium is enough for the retaliatory potential. Accordingly, we are not talking about returning to the roots, but about reducing the costs of maintaining the defense potential over the next fifty years. Centuries would be better, but who guarantees the safety of the same explosives for such a long time?
        .
        You remind me of the old Jewish scientists who could not do anything themselves, but masterfully spread rot on their colleagues and stole their thoughts.
        1. +7
          12 August 2024 00: 25
          Quote: also a doctor

          .
          You remind me of the old Jewish scientists who could not do anything themselves, but masterfully spread rot on their colleagues and stole their thoughts.


          You remind me of a projector who doesn’t focus on anything at all, but diligently pursues his line.

          First of all.
          The 13 ton solid fuel Midgetman in the 80s threw a 11 kt warhead at 475tkm.
          This is so to show that liquid fuel rockets are no longer needed by anyone.

          Secondly.
          The cost of developing a modern ICBM of this level costs tens of billions of dollars.
          Yes, exactly dollars. In rubles at the exchange rate.
          What do you think about the production of 10000 thousand such missiles? how much can it cost?
          Let's take the Mace as an example.
          According to our government procurement system, which was picked up by the media.
          Its cost 15 years ago was approximately 1 billion rubles. This is exactly how much they paid to the Votkinsk plant.
          But there is a nuance.
          For the components, all suppliers were paid by the state, under separate government contracts.
          And these amounts were never identified with the final product.
          Votkinsk received 1 billion for assembling ICBMs.
          Accordingly, the actual cost of 1 Mace was approximately 3 times higher.
          As of now, prices for materials and components in ruble equivalent have increased about five times. Exchange commodities, however. Look at the prices around you, or do you think that prices for the military-industrial complex have remained at the level of the 80s? No, they are not just market ones, they are much higher than market ones due to the closed nature of our military-industrial complex. And military electronics in general tenfold.
          Accordingly, let us understand that the real modern cost of the Mace is currently at least 12 billion rubles.

          Accordingly, a new lightweight monoblock ICBM will cost approximately 8 billion rubles. With a series of 10 thousand missiles.
          This will cost approximately 80 trillion rubles.
          The total budget of our country is 35 trillion rubles and it is now in deficit.


          Thirdly.
          To produce 10 thousand missiles you need resources (materials, trained personnel, money) and time.
          The capacity of the Votkinsk plant does not exceed 16 ICBMs per year. Edge of 20 missiles.
          Ага.
          For this they need more than 10 thousand workers.
          Such a plant costs at least 100 billion rubles.

          Can you calculate how many factories and people are needed to build 10 thousand rockets in at least 10 years?
          I'll do it for you.
          we need 50 Votkinsk factories.
          In the amount of 5 trillion rubles.
          And another 500 thousand highly skilled workers.
          Where can you find them in our country?
          In which there are almost 1 million people missing even drivers and car mechanics, and they are willing to pay them on shift: car mechanic 150-170 thousand, Crane operator: 220-250 thousand, site driver 150-200 thousand.

          And highly qualified, this is at least 10 years after vocational school.
          That is, it takes approximately 10-15 years to train personnel.
          And who will train the personnel?
          We again need vocational schools with a material and technical base.
          One Soviet vocational school with dozens of machines produced one group of 30 people per year in one specialty.
          Accordingly, it is necessary to accept and train at least 3 thousand people annually within 150 years.
          This is 5 thousand training groups.
          We need a base of qualified “Industrial Training Masters” - 5 thousand highly qualified craftsmen. Not only with technical, but also pedagogical education.
          I studied there - believe me, these people are more valuable than gold. They were like this even in Soviet times.
          Accordingly, for the duration of the studies, a stipend of 40 thousand per month, otherwise even a student cannot survive.
          Even if we build huge vocational schools for 3000 students, we need to build 50 huge vocational schools.
          With all the infrastructure. With free canteens, a bunch of teachers, administrative staff, secretaries, head teachers, directors, janitors.
          At least 300 support personnel. With an average salary of 80 thousand rubles.
          We count further - training per year - 150 thousand students for 12 months = 72 billion rubles. x 3 = 220 billion rubles.
          Personnel salary for the year - 15 billion rubles. x 3 = 45 billion rubles.
          Construction of 50 equipped vocational schools for 3000 people at least 10 billion rubles per unit = 500 billion rubles.
          Total: approximately 6 trillion rubles are needed to prepare production.

          Fourth.
          Kamaz, of course, can produce 30 thousand cars a year. And they can produce about 100 thousand semi-trailers a year.
          There’s just one caveat: the market needs more.
          By bleeding the market in favor of the military-industrial complex, we will have problems with the supply of products. And transportation of other goods and materials and materials.
          Accordingly, it is necessary to invest tens of billions in the development of the production of tractors and trailers, increasing the number of personnel by at least 20%.
          Both a standard Kamaz and a standard trailer will not work.
          Engines with 1000 HP will be needed.
          Which, again, is extremely difficult given the lack of personnel here and now.
          This applies to conventional trailers, but if you think about trailers adapted for the safe transportation of nuclear missiles, trailers adapted for launching these missiles.
          If you have any sense, I immediately advise you to look again at Midgetman, what kind of trailers are there, what tractors are there, what kind of “work” scheme there is.
          You understand that the price tag for such mobile launchers will not be 10 million or even 100 million, but closer to 300-400 million rubles per unit.
          Not counting combat electronics, which will cost another 100-150 million rubles per piece.
          Total costs for 10 thousand launchers will cost approximately 6 trillion rubles.

          Fifth.
          If such vehicles in the amount of 10 thousand pieces will travel at least 500 km per day, then they will require scheduled maintenance every 40 days. That is, one such transporter will undergo maintenance 9 times a year.
          On average, the price of 1 civilian vehicle costs 50 thousand rubles. (and ours is not a civilian tractor at all...).
          450 thousand x 10 thousand tractors = 5 billion rubles. Pennies. Almost.

          At sixth.
          Who will you entrust with maintenance services while Nuclear Transporters are in motion?
          Tajiks, Armenians, who are used to plug holes in service stations?
          Do you remember about the staff shortage? There are hundreds of thousands of civil mechanics shortages.
          Where will you do these maintenance? in ARA Services?
          Is it real?

          Or will you build a thousand service stations specifically for servicing nuclear road trains?
          Several thousand “FSB-approved” working personnel...
          Security of nuclear facilities? Not? didn't you think?
          Several thousand service stations with equipment. Build.
          Each service station has at least 20 personnel.
          With machine gun towers and concrete walls. bunkers.
          concrete hangars with concrete walls.
          Which shouldn’t even take 200 kg of TNT.
          an autonomous life support system to withstand a siege for at least 5 hours until help arrives.
          also at least a couple of trillions of rubles in costs.


          Seventh.
          A nuclear road train is not a simple road train.
          He needs a traffic schedule, he needs escort and security teams.
          Real, trained.
          And in large quantities. And in armored escort vehicles.
          Because 10 thousand nuclear road trains are a very tasty target for any terrorist, schoolchild and others.
          It’s just that sick people were previously isolated, but now they are on the streets.
          Schools are being shot up there. Children's heads are cut off. They burn houses.
          All this is around now.
          And how many fools there are who throw cocktails at military registration and enlistment offices, destroy electrical panels, and even mine cars for money - they are all around and there are hundreds of them.
          Accordingly, for 10 thousand road trains, at least 125 thousand personnel are needed for just one shift. Well, of course, this is only a rotational job.
          2 drivers in the car. 12 minimum in security.
          And then another second shift after 30 days of travel. Another 120 thousand people.
          Total almost a quarter of a million.
          100 thousand in hand per month (and this is the minimum for contract soldiers), probably half a trillion in a year.

          How many are there now in the Strategic Missile Forces? Probably 60 thousand people? And then there will be an immediate fivefold increase.

          Eighth.
          One such nuclear road train will consume at least 50 liters or even more of diesel fuel per 100 km.
          If we take 500 km per day, then this is 250 liters per 1 vehicle. This is 2,5 million liters per day. And in a year 1 billion liters = 770 thousand tons
          70 rubles per liter. 70 billion rubles.
          In principle, we are holding out, but if you remember the annual seasonal drop in diesel fuel by half during certain periods, then who knows.

          Well, there’s the plus of another 50 thousand armored escort vehicles....

          In total, this is still more than our state will ever chew. It will choke in the second year. It will go bankrupt and impoverished. And die of hunger. All the public sector workers will fly away, the entire army will fly away, all the people will go to sharashkas, and everyone will have to work from the age of 14 and there will be no retirement age at all.
          And they will take us with their bare hands.

          Now do you understand that you wrote about ten thousand missiles quickly and at once?
          Of course, I estimated everything on my fingers, the difference with official calculations will not be more than 10%.
          Moreover, knowing our military-industrial complex, the actual costs will be many times higher.
          1. +4
            12 August 2024 01: 03
            I haven’t written anything yet about uranium enrichment plants, their equipment, centrifuges there. the people there are trained.
            Let me remind you that the Americans identified the plant in Nizhnyaya Tura (also known as ZATO Lesnoy) from a photograph in Ogonyok, on a diagram of energy networks. This makes it clear that such a plant consumes a colossal amount of electricity. Accordingly, it is necessary to build more powerful power plants and supply them with gas, coal and other resources.
            We still need to “dig up” a huge amount of uranium ore, which, as it turns out, is an extremely limited and very expensive resource. and in the Russian Federation there is not so much of it.
            It is necessary to greatly increase the capacity for the extraction of rare earth materials and their processing. Increase metallurgical production, incl. and color. Which is also very energy-consuming.
            To increase production we need mining dump trucks and excavators.
            But we don’t seem to have much energy in the right places. Again, build new power plants.
            Which need new turbines, etc.
            And again, along the chain, in order to increase production by 1 missile, you need to increase production by 5-7% for each related supplier in the supply chain.
            And so in everything.

            Your text makes it clear that you are confident that the loaf of bread grows in the store.
            1. -4
              12 August 2024 03: 46
              Still, you are a moron, incapable of understanding someone else's idea. Or you deliberately attribute your absurd vision of the situation to your opponent. Clearly a Jew. They were the ones who always demonstrated straightforward thinking and loyalty to one idea memorized in youth and substitution of concepts in polemics. Evaluate the "argument": "...And what do you think about the production of 10000 such missiles? How much might it cost?..."
              .
              Who told you that all 10 targets for the BSU will be real missiles?
              .
              When I made these proposals 15 years ago, I always emphasized that the idea was contrary to the SALT Treaty and was STILL unworkable. There is no SALT treaty. Why not start producing FALSE targets right now?
              .
              Since we do not plan to attack first, the target of our retaliation strike will be enemy cities. Therefore, the corresponding production of decoys by amers is of no concern to us. But the development of relevant industries instead of storing currency in reserves, on the contrary, will benefit the country. And not much additional capacity will be needed if we stop supplying resources to the West in excess of the volume of our commodity imports from there. For example, under the Gore-Chernomyrdin deal, we gave away enough weapons-grade uranium to produce just 10 warheads. And the proceeds remained in the West. Those. gave it away for free.
              And you scare us with dump trucks. Stop selling your homeland and you will have enough means for self-defense.
              1. 0
                12 August 2024 08: 55
                It is not necessary to rely on "garage" ICBMs! "Submarine-based" ICBMs ("SKIF") have appeared! You can consider the idea of ​​"peaceful fishing vessels and dry cargo ships"!
                1. 0
                  13 August 2024 22: 57
                  At one time, in the early 89s, I fantasized about ICBMs on river vessels and barges. And also on the bottom of large reservoirs. Based on the results of the analysis, I recognized these decisions as incorrect. Garage complexes are optimal in terms of price and capabilities.
                  As for weapons on civilian ships, these ships are not immune to enemy actions. Anyone can stop and search them. Submarine cruisers will develop along the path of reliability and automation. As a result, their crews will be reduced to 5 people, and the size will be determined only by the number of missiles on board.
                  In principle, if we abandon the versatility of floating launchers, then a battery-powered boat is possible, which will only have enough energy to go to the position area and hang out there for six months or a year. For recharging, it is possible to use a thermionic isotope generator, which can be replaced at each output.
          2. -4
            12 August 2024 03: 39
            Still, you are a moron, incapable of understanding someone else's idea. Or you deliberately attribute your absurd vision of the situation to your opponent. Clearly a Jew. They were the ones who always demonstrated straightforward thinking and loyalty to one idea memorized in youth and substitution of concepts in polemics. Evaluate the "argument": "...And what do you think about the production of 10000 such missiles? How much might it cost?..."
            .
            Who told you that all 10 targets for the BSU will be real missiles?
            .
            When I made these proposals 15 years ago, I always emphasized that the idea was contrary to the SALT Treaty and was STILL unworkable. There is no SALT treaty. Why not start producing FALSE targets right now?
            .
            Since we do not plan to attack first, the target of our retaliation strike will be enemy cities. Therefore, the corresponding production of decoys by amers is of no concern to us. But the development of relevant industries instead of storing currency in reserves, on the contrary, will benefit the country.
        2. +3
          12 August 2024 10: 41
          . As I understand it, the boorish insolent person doesn’t have his own version. Instead of an honest analysis - just banter.

          Mate, of course there is no "honest analysis" here, it's just banter. The thing is that the crazy ideas you put forward are obvious to any specialist or at least a person immersed in the subject.

          You seem to be related to medicine. How do you look at the situation when a neurosurgeon, poking around a patient’s skull, will be given advice by a plumber from the housing office? Where will the neurosurgeon send the plumber?
          1. +5
            12 August 2024 14: 32
            Quote: Winnie76
            You seem to be related to medicine. How do you look at the situation when...

            Judging by the infantile logic of this subject, his rudimentary mental stability, instant breakdown into aggression and other facts, the "also-doctor" can only be related to medicine as a patient.
            1. -1
              13 August 2024 11: 27
              We were greedy at the beginning of the Northern Military District to lose 10 billion in export income, to win in a week, we pay 10 lard a month. And after the enemy attacks, we will lose about 4 trillion, not counting people. And you're selling me on the price of diesel fuel. The time has come not to think about the price, but about the availability of resources.
              .
              As for mental stability, as they wrote to me, I responded in the same tone.
          2. 0
            13 August 2024 13: 21
            "...You seem to have something to do with medicine. How do you look at the situation when a neurosurgeon, poking around a patient's skull, will be given advice by a plumber from the housing office? Where will the neurosurgeon send the plumber?" (end of quote)
            .
            You simply do not see the difference. A neurosurgeon knows his job, copes with it and is responsible for the result. Those to whom I, in your opinion, write advice, do not know the business, the results are sharply negative, they bear no responsibility. They create all sorts of nonsense! The soldiers weld the unfortunate visors on the tanks themselves; they conduct negotiations like shameful losers; there are no UAVs and robots, and what there is is a home-made craft for cutting up the budget.
            Well, how can I not give advice, because I clearly understand the topic better. And even better than those pseudo-clever people who stupidly scale the current situation without seeing the proposed dynamics of development.
            Why the hell would you save diesel fuel if you burn in a nuclear flame or die of hunger in a frozen city?
    2. 0
      24 November 2024 23: 53
      Quote: also a doctor
      The rocket must be a single-block rocket that fits into a truck.

      NATO has no problem intercepting single-warhead missiles; any Arleigh Burke could shoot down such a missile.
  7. +1
    10 August 2024 09: 08
    of course, if we are not talking about hypersonic UAVs, but those do not exist yet.

    According to SCMP, Chinese experts do not name a specific UAV model. It is only known that structurally it resembles the enlarged MD-22 device, presented in 2019. The four-ton reusable hypersonic platform is capable of carrying up to 600 kilograms of cargo. Flight range - 8000 kilometers at a speed of Mach 7.
    https://tinyurl.com/2248p3xq
    NASA X-43 unmanned experimental hypersonic aircraft.
    First flight June 2001, End of service November 2004.
    provides images in the radar wavelength range, made with a resolution of 16 centimeters (!), in words: sixteen centimeters.

    You can order a commercial photograph on the Internet in the optical range of 15 cm. True, it is obtained from 30cm (Maxar).
    1. +1
      10 August 2024 09: 22
      As I recall, the Chinese hypersonic drone develops hypersonic speed only on part of the entire flight path...
      1. 0
        10 August 2024 09: 31
        I can’t say, the first result in Google search. But if you claim something, it is better to provide a source. And then as in the joke:
        I play in an English club. One player throws the cards - I win. I'll show him the cards. He answered: I am a gentleman. And then the card went to me, how it went.
        1. +1
          10 August 2024 11: 00
          It’s better to search on the Internet:"Chinese drone WZ-8" and... enjoy! Because the information about the "Chinese" on the Internet is "varied and even contradictory"! Many call it simply supersonic with a speed of 3 or 4 Mach (they write differently...), and some sources (referring to some "closed" Chinese informants or to the conclusions of Western experts...) call it hypersonic with the ability to reach speeds of up to 6 Mach (but not along the entire flight path...) That's why I gave in the comment a kind of "brief summary" of information from several (!) Internet sources! (I familiarized myself, at one time, with information from at least 10 sources... It is only advisable to look for "serious" sources...) The conclusion is this: This is a high-speed supersonic drone with the ability to briefly hypersonic flight, but this mode is most likely not "standard"!
          1. 0
            10 August 2024 12: 33
            Those. you are "lying". About the WZ-8, Google also immediately produces results.
            1. +1
              10 August 2024 14: 02
              What did I lie about, “the comrade is in inadequate condition”?
  8. +4
    10 August 2024 09: 14
    After 11 billion were stolen, it is unlikely that anything can be countered in the near future.
  9. 0
    10 August 2024 09: 47
    I’m wondering whoever wrote this article in the magazine about promising means at least asked the Strategic Missile Forces whether this protection was needed? Because in the video, either from TK Zvezda or some other, the work of the PGRK was shown at the exit to the duty area. And there was total camouflage and complete silence on the air.
  10. fiv
    +1
    10 August 2024 10: 58
    The old movie was called Strike First, Freddy. More relevant than ever. Be sure to erase Poland and Britain as well. Please!
  11. +4
    10 August 2024 12: 02
    since the first detonation of ammunition with a nuclear warhead in the air will disable all its elements, at least for a while, and then it will be too late.
    Detonation where? The PGRK are moving, if they manage to get 10 km away from the future epicenter, then nothing will happen to them.
    There can be no talk of any UAVs and loitering ammunition, because if UAVs and loitering ammunition are circling in the combat patrol areas of our PGRKs, and we do not strike back or retaliate, then that’s it - the war is over, we have lost.
    Well, yes, saboteurs don’t exist, right? The war is not over, it is just beginning.
    None of the air defense systems or air defense missile systems under consideration are capable of fighting such targets in principle.
    No need to. The CEP of intercontinental means is 500 m. If you invest a lot, a lot of money in the correction system, you can get 200 m. Well, where will it end up there. And I’ll emphasize again - the PGRK must go, this is its salvation.
    Even the United States, which has a powerful fleet that exceeds in total combat power all the fleets of all countries of the world combined, keeps more than a third of its nuclear arsenal of constant readiness in silos, while it does not have a PGRK at all and never had one, and this despite the fact that Our space reconnaissance assets are significantly inferior to American ones.
    They maintain a ground force in order to absorb our warheads. That’s why there are ancient Minutemen standing there, and they don’t worry about it at all, periodically throwing in pennies for painting and updating. The main part of their Strategic Missile Forces is naval.
  12. +4
    10 August 2024 12: 05
    And now we are waiting for an article (possibly from the same author) on why we need to throw away the silos and switch to a PGRK or even a BZHRK.
    1. +1
      10 August 2024 14: 14
      It will definitely happen! And the SSBN will also get a tasty morsel. And how many abbreviations can you cram in... laughing
    2. 0
      10 August 2024 22: 54
      I'm still waiting for the article that the infantry is outdated. About three and a half thousand years ago, with the invention of chariots.
  13. -1
    10 August 2024 12: 15
    The following were considered as BSU weapons:

    – intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), as well as non-nuclear submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs);

    – hypersonic cruise missiles (CR) and hypersonic gliding warheads;

    - orbital impact platforms.


    - non-nuclear ICBM equipment is ineffective. The author himself says that a prompt global strike is only with nuclear ICBMs

    – hypersonic cruise missiles (CR) and hypersonic gliding warheads;
    Their flight speed is less than the speed of ICBMs, so their global strike is not fast.

    - orbital impact platforms.
    There are few of them, they are expensive. There will not be enough for all the PGRKs, because the PGRKs are distributed over a large territory, and the orbital strike platforms fly periodically over a relatively small territory and will not be able to simultaneously hit all the PGRKs.

    Even the United States, which has a powerful fleet that exceeds in total combat power all the fleets of all countries of the world combined, keeps more than a third of its nuclear arsenal of constant readiness in silos, while it does not have a PGRK at all and never had one, and this despite the fact that Our space reconnaissance assets are significantly inferior to American ones.

    - but they have a lot of nuclear submarines with Tridents, which are better than PGRK in terms of survivability and stealth protection (but worse than PGRK in terms of cost)
    All ICBMs from the Strategic Missile Forces must be placed in highly protected silos.

    You can't put all your eggs in one basket
    In both the first and second cases, PGRK will no longer be a priority target for a sudden disarming strike by the enemy using nuclear warheads.

    But the number of enemy strikes using nuclear warheads on silos will increase, which will increase the likelihood of their defeat.
    Conclusion: The concept of a “Prospective system for protecting the Strategic Missile Forces’ mobile grouping should include an increase in the number of vehicles with false ground-based missile systems (for example, with inflatable or empty “ampulized” containers).
    At the same time, we will raise the domestic auto industry to a competitive level.
  14. 0
    10 August 2024 13: 13
    Author, why are you so confident in the safety of the mines? Their positions have already been entered into American computers and will be the first to be suppressed. There is no need to even destroy the mine - just damage the top hatch. The US does not have mobile systems on land, this is true. They have them at sea - on missile ships and SSBNs. That is, they are not where you are looking for them. And UAVs are not only geraniums, but above all Raptors, which have been successfully informing the Ukrainian Armed Forces about Russian air defense for several years now.
  15. +2
    10 August 2024 13: 43
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    Hmm... The author forgot about the donkey loaded with gold... That's what we see

    In our case, the recipients are only shown the donkey and promised to send it after the service is completed.
  16. +5
    10 August 2024 13: 44
    Quote: Atlant83
    After 11 billion were stolen, it is unlikely that anything can be countered in the near future.

    you discredit, you stole 11 trillion
  17. +3
    10 August 2024 14: 49
    Some kind of mental diarrhea. It’s time to put the author in Gerasimov’s place and let him implement his conclusions
  18. 0
    10 August 2024 15: 05
    What nonsense. I’ll tell you one secret: 60 years ago our mines were designed to protect against a direct nuclear strike. All types of reconnaissance flock to the Strategic Missile Forces control center. And he is not alone. All US and NATO military commands are under constant control.
    On the other hand, I don’t understand why we’ve been playing around with Ukraine for so long. soldier
    1. 0
      10 August 2024 16: 46
      And before everyone said that nuclear weapons were so terrible and powerful that they could destroy the entire planet, now they say that they cannot even damage a missile silo. So where is the truth?
      1. 0
        10 August 2024 22: 58
        It’s true that it won’t be possible to break everything, but the world economy will break down badly and for a long time, and then, due to the fact that oil and gas are in one place, and farmland in another, ten times more people will die from hunger than from war
    2. 0
      12 August 2024 17: 04
      Quote: V.
      What nonsense. I’ll tell you one secret: 60 years ago our mines were designed to protect against a direct nuclear strike.

      I remember that at the end of the Cold War, on the other side of the gun, the reincarnation of Barnes Wallace’s ideas in relation to ICBMs and SLBMs was actively discussed - a penetrating SBC camouflage that hits silos with a seismic wave (a sort of “Tallboy” at maximum speed).
      Why hit the small lid if you can bend the “pencil” of the silo from the side?
      1. +1
        12 August 2024 18: 13
        The point, especially now, is to hit the silo, even at the lid, at least from the side, or from below, the system is such that in any case the missile is launched before the arrival of the destructive ammunition. Even if the shaft of the mine tilts due to an earthquake or explosion nearby, the launch will still be carried out. All this has been tested in practice.
        1. 0
          12 August 2024 18: 37
          Quote: V.
          The point, especially now, is to hit the silo, even at the lid, at least from the side, or from below, the system is such that in any case the missile is launched before the arrival of the destructive ammunition.

          With a traditional strike - yes, cycle"launch detection - confirmation - report - decision making - delivery of the launch command - launch"may have time to complete before arrival.
          In the event of a disarming strike at close range, the arrival will be somewhere between the report and the delivery of the launch command.
    3. 0
      25 November 2024 00: 09
      Quote: V.
      I'll let you in on a secret: 60 years ago, our mines were designed to withstand a direct nuclear strike.

      Maybe 60 years ago there were no Tamagawaks with 1-2m CEP? Or other weapons with similar CEP. In my opinion, in the case of such a move towards mines and mobile complexes, everything that can be reached will fly. Probably, it was meant that 60 years ago, if a warhead hit somewhere a kilometer away, the mine would remain operational, but today, knowing where the mines are, they are unlikely to strike nearby.
  19. DO
    +1
    10 August 2024 19: 58
    Quote from the author's link:
    Prompt global strike (GSU) concept developed by the United States in the late nineties

    That is, the mentioned concept of BSU was developed by the USA more than a quarter of a century ago.
    there are no UAVs or loitering munitions here, since they contradict the BGU concept

    Of course, “no UAVs or loitering ammunition” is included in the outdated concept, because in the last century, no armies in the world used UAVs as massively as in the Northern Military District. And what concept is in the US arsenal today can hardly be reliably learned from open sources.
    Conclusion: the author calls for preparing the Strategic Missile Forces for the war of the last century. Therefore, God forbid the leadership of the army and the military-industrial complex listen to this author’s recommendation and ignore the clouds of UAVs that will fly to Russian Strategic Missile Forces facilities at the beginning of a hypothetical, but very likely conflict between NATO and Russia. For not so long ago, just one Ukrainian Armed Forces drone permanently disabled the Voronezh early warning radar.
    1. DO
      0
      10 August 2024 20: 48
      PS
      Quote: DO
      Voronezh early warning radar.

      Correction: quoted phrase
      replaced with "strategic early warning radar station of the missile attack warning system (SPRN) "Voronezh-DM" in Armavir"
  20. ada
    +1
    11 August 2024 01: 39
    Well, regarding the prospects for UAVs, there is an interesting material on strategic strikes (weapons) being developed in the US Armed Forces for a future war. Below there will be a table that contains the structure of the IMVU (integrated massive air strike, this is instead of the previous forms of massive strikes and it is combined). In this structure, it is proposed to use UAVs en masse in two echelons:
    in the third echelon - 100% of weapons, of which Air Force UAVs - 80%, Navy - 5%, Ground Forces - 15%;
    in the fourth echelon - unmanned platforms together with manned aircraft - up to 5% with reconnaissance and electronic warfare UAVs, - 40% with strike and reconnaissance.
  21. +1
    11 August 2024 09: 35
    PGRK - everything, at least within the framework of strategic nuclear forces. All ICBMs from the Strategic Missile Forces must be placed in highly protected silos.

    This is why the owl pulled itself onto the globe, apparently.
    There is no point in refuting the author’s fabrications regarding the PGRK, because the technique: “look what they might have against our existing one, which therefore must be immediately removed” is as old as Reagan’s Star Wars cartoons.
  22. 0
    11 August 2024 10: 37
    Return to the developed complex Courier with a mass of 15 tons transported by Kamaz under the transauto. And that's all.
  23. 0
    11 August 2024 12: 25
    During the times of the Union there was one joke, in a nutshell its content is as follows:
    In one village, in a cultural center, there is a lecture by an archaeologist. The professor of archeology with a serious look shows the audience the skulls of Alexander the Great, telling how archaeologists determined the age of Alexander from skulls in different periods of time. A student from a construction brigade who accidentally slipped into the ranks of the audience expressed bewilderment at how Alexander the Great could have three skulls, to which he was given a categorical answer: Young man, on the poster in front of the cultural center it is written in black and white: Lecture for village residents.

    In our country, everything that is written, filmed, said from television screens, including by the first persons, not excluding the First Person, is intended “for village residents.” Actually, these “village residents”, for the most part, then go to the polls to choose characters for the current State Duma.

    I don’t understand the author’s reaction to the product he is refuting. In the overwhelming majority of his works, he himself writes “for the villagers,” pouring outright nonsense and banality onto their heads. A kind of Kiselyovism, chewing gum for the average person. Here he, of course, outdid himself and produced a reasoned and, I admit, sound analysis, with which I personally agree. Hats off!
  24. -1
    11 August 2024 13: 03
    There can be no talk of any UAVs or loitering ammunition, because if UAVs and loitering ammunition are circling in the combat patrol areas of our PGRK, and we are not delivering a retaliatory or retaliatory strike, then that’s all – the war is over, we lost.


    Oh, these “pure historians” that the afftr is...
    A simple example - today Bandera drones (at the suggestion of the Pindos spacecraft) are still circling over the PR (position areas) of the PGRK.
    For information, PGRK patrol areas extend far beyond 100x100 km squares.

    And we strike at this - a “retaliatory”, “reciprocal” blow?

    And what will happen if one of these drones suddenly attacks and drops ammunition on an APU accidentally discovered on the PR?

    Avtar, calm down and don’t meddle in places where you have nothing to do...
  25. +1
    11 August 2024 13: 25
    PGRK are not going anywhere. They are not kept at the border where they can be obtained. And in the depths of a country like Russia, try and get it. It is important to have different strategic weapons, mine, mobile, aerospace forces, SSBNs, Poseidon, etc., this is what is holding back the mattress democratizers.
  26. Des
    0
    11 August 2024 17: 07
    This is the case when the author needs to publish the article ahead of him.
  27. 0
    11 August 2024 17: 20
    there will be two or three or even more enemy optical reconnaissance satellites at the same time, which is quite likely in the near future, then how many Peresvet BLKs will we need in order to suppress them all
    If the impact is irreversible, one will be needed.
  28. 0
    11 August 2024 17: 58
    The author is generally far from the topic of nuclear weapons, silos, PGRK and their survival systems. Some kind of set of words
  29. 0
    11 August 2024 18: 10
    if you do nothing, nothing will work out... And if the enemy has large groups of satellites and aircraft, then these are all threats from which you may not be able to hide for long, but you still need to remove enemy equipment. Mobile missiles have an advantage - mobility, which should be used as a mobile system; in an hour, missiles on wheels can travel far, if the inertia from detecting a danger to the "alarm" command is considered seconds, and not, as in Kursk, days...
  30. -1
    11 August 2024 21: 19
    For once, I 100% agree with Mitrofanov.
  31. 0
    11 August 2024 22: 23
    The mobile must be railway and the size of some standard carriage, even if it is the longest
  32. +1
    11 August 2024 23: 28
    Any strategic missile system is, in principle, vulnerable to similar enemy systems. The only way not to lose its combat effectiveness at the right moment is a preemptive strike on the enemy before he strikes us. To do this, it is necessary to warn the enemy about the inevitability of a preventive strike by the Strategic Missile Forces in the event of a clear threat of an enemy attack. And the most important thing is to inevitably and timely deliver such a blow, not limiting yourself to verbal threats.
  33. osp
    0
    12 August 2024 00: 42
    Quote: SovAr238A
    And this is true.
    We need to clearly understand that we are still defenseless against a disarming strike.
    The arrival of nuclear warheads from Tridents within 5-7 minutes at all our command posts, silos, and naval bases is an absolute reality!!!
    Total 11 SSBNs
    10 American and one British.
    They can even shoot from the surface. No one will really bother them anyway.
    Approximately 256 missiles can easily cover everything. Of these, 50-60 missiles are with 8 MIRVs, the remaining 200 are with 14 MIRVs.
    In total, approximately 3200 warheads.
    Even if they act according to their tactics of 2 warheads from different missiles on 1 target, the minimum number of targets hit in a sudden disarming strike will be around 1100-1200, taking into account different areas.
    And yes, we just understand that nothing can be done about it.
    Just realize and accept.
    This concept of a "disarming strike" is not a figment of fantasy, but the result of an assessment:
    1. Trident missile capabilities 2.
    2. Numbers of Ohio SSBNs.
    3. The state of the US adversary navies.
    It would be strange, having such superiority, not to come up with a similar strategy.

    You've understated it here.
    The British always have a pair of SSBNs on combat duty in the North Sea - rotating and rotating.
    This is approximately 24-27 Tridents.
    Another SSBN on duty at a base in Scotland. Can go out into the ocean within 24 hours.
    This is another 12 SLBMs.
    France has a SSBN duty organization similar to the British.
    The latest submarines, the latest M51 SLBMs.
    There are a couple of them in the Mediterranean Sea.
    That is, only European NATO countries can throw 50 SLBMs or more into Russian territory.
  34. 0
    12 August 2024 00: 59
    In the foreseeable future, the PGRK will not be in any way hidden from a potential enemy who is anticipating the moment for the BSU. He will know with a high probability where such targets are located, their approximate deployment plans and quantity, he will adjust his plans ahead of time so that, including the PGRK, they are minimally effective. In general, there is little that can be done about this because now we are reaping all the goodies of the information revolution with batch launches of satellites, reusable heavy rockets, high-speed networks and AI data processing.
    PGRK is a visible, moving target - without means of full optical multi-band camouflage, their qualities as a stable pillar of the “triad” will steadily fade. Their very presence and use will provide the enemy with information and reduce uncertainty for him, since we do not know how aware he will be of their movements and we can only assume that the possibilities for such information are now increasing exponentially.
    Unlike the PGRK, the silo array, which combines true and false targets as well as hidden underground communications, although it is an expensive solution, increases uncertainty for the enemy because he DOES NOT see and cannot process data related to the state-presence-readiness of such arrays kind of objects.
    Uncertainty is a better deterrent than certainty. The enemy uses simulations of conflicts and runs them on supercomputers, when he has confidence in his knowledge, he creates a false sense of control, prompting him to act. All our decisions based on informing and buying his funds will be nothing more than obstacles for him. We need actions that expand the sectors of uncertainty for him.
  35. 0
    12 August 2024 08: 59
    "The missile must be monoblock, placed in a truck. There must be a lot of missiles and decoys - at least 10 pieces. Then no BGU will be enough for everyone. A small 000-10 ton missile can hide in any arched warehouse."
    The Courier complex with the Albatross missile, cut by a humpback in the early 90s.
  36. +1
    12 August 2024 17: 22
    The promising system for protecting the Strategic Missile Forces mobile group is meaningless, ineffective and dangerous
    The topic is interesting and important. Without deep-sighted pearls and climbing on a stool, I suggest paying attention not only to the specified protection systems and what THEY are intended for. We still have to LIVE until then feel . But let's look at more primitive factors:
    1. work in the rear of cells from the power steering. APU. ISIS. which are still trying to synchronize (under the control of the USA, England and others, often intriguing against each other, but having ODE GOAL - to destroy the Russian Federation).
    2. A huge number of migrants (every 10th, not counting those who have acquired a passport) and their actions, which have long been in fact the actions of a subversive group in the rear (on the territory of the Russian Federation) - a rebellion, a war with the prospect of unleashing something like in England and obvious ethno-Nazism. And what do we have... let's compare the number of guests and the number of security forces...
    3. Moreover, the situation is not an accidental “splash”. and planned and rigidly roofed with 5 and 6 columns. Let's add to the situation in the Russian Ministry of Defense revealed by Belousov and this was during the SVO period. And what about other places and subjects!?
    4. InTake the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation and put them on the map. The decision-making centers are Moscow and St. Petersburg. The military-industrial complex is located there. Nuclear power plants and industry... and even basic control of trade. Through their own people at vegetable bases and transportation. They even got to the taiga. and the central regions of the Central Federal District with massively populated guests and purchased passports of supposedly “compatriots”. World experience of the law on REAPATRIATION (return of indigenous peoples. Stubbornly BLOCKED.
    5. Of course the main thing. to provide an ANSWER soldier …now it’s not the 80s, there’s less time to make decisions and P..