Gypsies are cooler than migrants - about the special crime in Russia

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Gypsies are cooler than migrants - about the special crime in Russia


Don't get confused by ethnic groups


Much has been written on the pages of VO about ethnic crime among migrants. At the same time, completely indigenous Russian peoples and nationalities, and above all the Roma, remained in the shadows. They have been living with us since the 17th century, if not earlier, but at that time the borders of the empire had not yet seriously reached them.



Let's try to talk about them, their traditional, long-familiar and dubious law-abidingness. Without personalization, national discrimination and as objectively as possible.

At the same time, let us not confuse ethnic groups with ethnic crime. Obviously, the Slichenko or Vishnevsky dynasties were not and are not involved in drugs or burglaries. Not all of them are like this, but one should not discount the presence of ethnic, or rather sub-ethnic, gypsy organized crime groups.

It is they who usually communicate and “do business” within the framework of their subethnic group, caste and clan. Everything in this case is extremely complicated, of course, officers of law enforcement agencies specializing in ethnic crime understand such peculiarities, but some police service sergeant will not even distinguish a Gypsy from a Caucasian or Tajik.

There is no need to talk about finding out which caste someone belongs to. Because of this, there are continuous mistakes. But let’s start, according to Lobachevsky, with proof by contradiction.

If your name is gypsy


So, contrary to popular belief, the Pavees, who are depicted in “Snatch” as gypsies, do not belong to the gypsies. These are Irish who have switched to a nomadic lifestyle, most likely due to another famine; their surnames are predominantly Irish, and they do not live in Russia, and therefore it is irrelevant to discuss them further.

Another thing is the Yenish, these Swiss tramps, who also do not live in Russia, and the Crimean Gurbets, they are also called taifa or in Crimean Tatar - taifalar. The latter are most likely Turkified Kurds. The Paeveys are close to the gypsies, perhaps, in one way: dancing and singing at funerals. This is where the similarities end.

The dominant subethnic group of Gypsies in Russia is the Russian Roma. Let's start the story about them with the Lovarians, the most exposed, in addition to the Servs and Vlachs, in criminality. These are Hungarian gypsies who migrated to Russia quite late, which led to their extreme closedness and conservatism.

In particular, the Lovaris, at least those who settled near Lyubertsy in Myachkovo, although there are also Russian Roma there, and Crimeans - Ayuvjiler, and Kelderari, have two-story houses, the second floor is for women. And God forbid that a woman walk on the floor above the men’s room, the punishment will be severe, otherwise the man will be considered “low.”

The name of the caste comes from the word “lowe” - money. Initially, criminal activity on the territory of Hungary consisted of various frauds with precious metals, hence, apparently, the name. Now among the lovars there are also jewelers, usually underground ones, working without a license.

The main type of criminal activity is burglary. Drugs are much less common, but they will punish their own people. Beginning and fortune-telling among women is gradually becoming an anachronism, no one is falling for it anymore, this is not the nineties. Basically, Lovari women are housewives.

Show me your passport


Lowaris have the rare ability to make passports for themselves using other names. Most often this is due to the lack of permanent registration: he reported the loss, introduced himself with a different name, spent time in a temporary detention center for violating the passport regime, then, if anything happens, the baron will come to the showdown, and he will have the passport.

Some have double surnames in their passports, like the late Sandor Kovacs-Petrov, with all due respect to the untimely death of the European champion in Shotokan karate, actor and talented soul performer. Surnames by birth are usually Hungarian. They prefer not to change names from Roma and Hungarian even when applying for a left passport to a Russian surname.


But the most numerous subethnic group in Russia is the Gypsies, I repeat - the Russian Roma, the North Russian Gypsies. Most of them are in the central and northern regions of the European part of Russia, but now they are actively penetrating into the Urals and Siberia. This is the most integrated into Russian society and predominantly educated subethnic group of Roma.

Many Russian Roma volunteered for the war during the tsarist era. the army and fought in wars. They also took part in the Civil and Great Patriotic Wars. the warBut with the passage of Khrushchev's law on the settlement of the Gypsies, military registration and enlistment offices began to treat the Gypsies with prejudice and often sent well-educated and fit for service Russian Gypsies to the construction battalion.

Since perestroika, due to the fact that the authorities did not care about universal education, the percentage of Russian Gypsies who were not hired for any work increased, which immediately caused the criminalization of the subethnic group. The Roma quickly became involved in drug trafficking, mainly heroin.

But before this, Russian gypsies were noticed mainly in horse stealing and petty fraud in fortune-telling. Horse theft is now preserved only near hippodromes and equestrian clubs.

Aliens from the Balkans


But first of all, servas appeared in the Russian Empire, immigrants, apparently, from the Balkans. They are strongly assimilated and generally speak Surzhik. Previously they lived in Ukraine, then they began to penetrate into the Krasnodar region. The conflict in Donbass has only strengthened this trend.

Also in the Kuban live Vlachs and Chisinau residents who migrated from the Danube principalities. Police in southern Russia rarely release statistics on Roma ethnic groups, but human slavery is known to be rampant in the Krasnodar, Rostov and Saratov regions.

Gypsy tour performers often kidnap people from the Southern Federal District, selling them mainly to the Caucasus or Central Asia. Slaves can work in the fields and on construction sites, beg, sell drugs, etc. People are often kidnapped simply for ransom.

The kidnapping is carried out according to the standard scheme: first, the gypsies ingratiate themselves with the future kidnapped person, offer him a drink, mixing either clonidine or strong sleeping pills into the alcohol. The client “passes out” and wakes up already tied hand and foot in some basement, then everything is clear without explanation.


Greetings from Moldova, Turkestan and Crimea


Moldavian gypsies are the common name for Calderars and Ursars. A significant number of them moved to Russia even before the revolution; the Kelderari are the second largest gypsy ethnic group in the country. They are distributed throughout almost the entire European part of Russia.

The main criminal activities are the same as those of their counterparts in Moldova - illegal purchase and sale of gold, drug trafficking and kidnapping. Russian Calderari and Ursari are much less criminalized than Moldovan guest performers from Soroca and Ataki.

However, the number of the latter has sharply decreased due to transport problems in connection with the Ukrainian events. There are legends about the wealth of the Calderari in Soroki. It is known that their baron Mircea Cherari was the only one in the USSR who had his own plane.

An uncharacteristic subethnic group of gypsies for Russia are the Central Asian gypsies - Lyuli. Basically, people from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakh Turkestan are involved in crime in Russia. The main activities are the illegal reception and resale of scrap metal and petty theft during fortune telling and begging.

The second type is developed mainly in Dagestan, where they come from Turkestan for such “earnings”, due to the availability of transport links, as well as the opportunity to beg well near mosques.

In Moscow, Lyuli usually run unregistered scrap metal collection points in garage cooperatives. The police can easily identify such points by the columns of smoke rising above the cooperative, because the copper cable is burned right next to the garage.

And finally, Crimean gypsies in their homeland are also involved in not always legal transactions with scrap metal, as well as in the trade in weed. But there have been too many problems with these classes lately due to the SVO and the sharp tightening of control.
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  1. 27+
    8 August 2024 06: 55
    In short, another people is a parasite.
    1. +8
      8 August 2024 09: 57
      In Soviet times, Gypsies were everywhere, but now I haven’t seen Gypsies for a very long time. But the Central Asians are crawling out of every crevice.
      1. +4
        9 August 2024 11: 13
        About 200 thousand Roma live in Russia, while the number of visiting Tajiks, Uzbeks and Kyrgyz people is about 9 million, i.e. 45 times more than the Roma. And then there are Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ukrainians, and all this brotherhood is organized into diasporas, and the criminal burden from them is disproportionately greater than from the gypsies. Roma make up one seven hundredth of the country's population. What is there to talk about?
        Of course, not all migrants need to be shunned: two Armenian acquaintances have lived in my city since the times of the USSR, both are candidates of science, excellent technicians, speak Russian with an accent, but more literate than most Russian fellow citizens. By the way, I also know a gypsy woman who lived in a camp until she was 6 years old. She managed to finish school, married a Russian, raised four children - three became musicians with a conservatory behind them, the fourth works at a factory.
        1. +4
          9 August 2024 13: 13
          Quote: astepanov
          About 200 thousand Roma live in Russia, while the number of visiting Tajiks, Uzbeks and Kyrgyz people is about 9 million, i.e. 45 times more than the Roma. And then there are Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ukrainians, and all this brotherhood is organized into diasporas, and the criminal burden from them is disproportionately greater than from the gypsies. Roma make up one seven hundredth of the country's population. What is there to talk about?
          Of course, not all migrants need to be shunned: two Armenian acquaintances have lived in my city since the times of the USSR, both are candidates of science, excellent technicians, speak Russian with an accent, but more literate than most Russian fellow citizens. By the way, I also know a gypsy woman who lived in a camp until she was 6 years old. She managed to finish school, married a Russian, raised four children - three became musicians with a conservatory behind them, the fourth works at a factory.

          That's what I'm talking about. The national issue was resolved more correctly under the USSR, not ideally, but now it’s even worse.
  2. +2
    8 August 2024 06: 55
    Telegram channel Mash yesterday published a video of how Caucasian security guards in Moscow beat two guys from the LPR in a crowd.
    How much you can humiliate us! Will anyone tell me?
    1. -1
      10 August 2024 22: 24
      How much you can humiliate us! Will anyone tell me?
      A person is treated exactly as he allows.
      How much do you get paid for comments like this? What is the tax now?
  3. 11+
    8 August 2024 07: 03
    I read the article. 2 questions.
    1. Name 10 talented and great gypsies. Mathematicians, poets, designers, astronauts, military personnel or anyone else. Well, should there be at least 10 people for this number of gypsies? Or not?
    Take any of the 15 republics of the USSR, and there are, if not hundreds, then certainly dozens of the most gifted people who brought enormous benefit to the Motherland.
    2. Why did Hitler destroy the gypsies?
    1. +3
      8 August 2024 08: 57
      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      Why did Hitler exterminate the Roma?

      Do you know how to choose examples))
      In fact, the Possessed One did not favor Jews either, and the number of Jewish victims was much higher than the Roma victims.
      Can you name 10 talented Jews?

      And about the gypsies... yes, there are no mathematicians or cosmonauts among them (it seems), they are more on stage, I can immediately name quite well-known names that are well-known in the post-Soviet space - Nikolai Slichenko, Anna Netrebko, Galina Vishnevskaya, Lyalya Pearl. To say that these people are deprived of talent is disingenuous.
      From not ours - Elvis Presley has gypsy roots. Pablo Picasso - there too
      There are probably many more, these are just the ones I remember
      1. 0
        8 August 2024 10: 11
        Lala Zhemchuzhnaya.
        Maybe Lala Chernaya? She was a wonderful actress and singer.
        1. +2
          8 August 2024 10: 15
          By the way, yes, and Lala Chernaya too. I agree, it was a wonderful voice
          I completely missed it in my comment.
          And no, these are different people
          Zhemchuzhnaya is alive and continues her creative life
          1. +1
            8 August 2024 10: 18
            Then I’ll add Sonya Timofeeva. “Non-evening” is something for her.
          2. -1
            8 August 2024 11: 02
            All these Pearl, Black, Slichenki, etc. - Jews. Which look like gypsies.
            This is my opinion.
            1. +1
              10 August 2024 21: 35
              Quote Sigismund Voldemarovich: All these Pearl, Black, Slichenka, etc. - Jews. Which look like gypsies. This is my opinion.

              Your sense of the Semites has let you down. laughing Lyalya Chernaya - real name Nadezhda Sergeevna Khmeleva (nee Kiseleva) was born in 1909 in the family of Moscow nobleman Sergei Alekseevich Kiselyov and gypsy Maria Georgievna Polyakova, singer of the Strelny Gypsy Choir I. Lebedev
              1. -1
                12 August 2024 06: 47
                Your sense of the Semites has let you down.

                Nope. Didn't disappoint. After the revolution, people were given new documents. That's where they began to hide their true origins.
      2. +8
        8 August 2024 10: 52
        they are more on stage

        Oh, I see. I thought so. The singers are certainly talented.
        Not talented turners, not ship commanders, not technologists, not programmers, not steelworkers, and not even Stakhanovite miners, well, etc.
        Budulai (not Mihai Volontir) was also a great guy.
        Well, in general, you understand what I'm getting at.
      3. +9
        8 August 2024 10: 59
        And further. I lived in Tashkent for more than 40 years.
        So who are the Lyuli, what they live and what they do, how the locals treat them - I can tell you a lot. There is basically nothing positive there.
        There were other gypsies there, a little more decent.
        Moreover, the gypsies are visible immediately, with the naked eye. You decide at the moment and never expect anything good from them.
        Who from Uzbekistan will understand me?
        1. 0
          10 August 2024 01: 10
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          You decide at the moment and never expect anything good from them.

          Talking with Pashtuns, I noted that they have no notes of condemnation of the Roma. In their understanding, gypsies are simply peaceful, good-natured, carefree people who do no harm to anyone, who love to sing, dance and have fun at the slightest reason and without any reason.
        2. 0
          16 August 2024 09: 52
          I lived in Tashkent for more than 40 years.
          So who are the Lyuli, what they live and what they do, how the locals treat them - I can tell you a lot. There is basically nothing positive there.

          - based on Your his post- ALL whoever talks about the good work of the authorities and the party regarding the population and nationalities in the USSR is lying...
      4. 0
        8 August 2024 11: 17
        Actually, it’s also Slavic
        Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
    2. 0
      10 August 2024 22: 26
      Alyosha Dmitrievich. Almost a gypsy baron
    3. 0
      16 August 2024 09: 47
      Why did Hitler exterminate the Roma?
      Mmm....Why did Hitler destroy the Slavs (all of them), commissars and English pilots?
  4. 14+
    8 August 2024 07: 26
    "They are vagabonds by nature, by blood. They are enemies of any state system, otherwise they would settle somewhere, and not wander here and there. Their songs are devoid of masculinity, and their ideas are destructive. They steal children. They penetrate everywhere." (With) wink
  5. +6
    8 August 2024 07: 34
    I read about a gypsy woman of the Lyuli people in a book about Khoja Nasretdin.
    how he helped her raise money on the “beast called a cat.”
  6. 12+
    8 August 2024 07: 35
    They behave interestingly in Europe. A whole camp approaches the city hall building, starts shouting and demanding money. And the municipality, not wanting a scandal, allocates some money for their maintenance, after which they all move to another city and everything repeats all over again. Then they move to another country and start all over again wink
    1. +4
      8 August 2024 08: 03
      This “life hack” works for Central Asians at the state level.
  7. 15+
    8 August 2024 07: 49
    The difference between Gypsies and migrants is that many Gypsies parasitize society, and migrants demand that it be changed for themselves - to turn settlement areas into villages.
  8. +4
    8 August 2024 07: 54
    Interesting article. I learned a lot about the gypsies. No matter how we treat them, all these gypsies are still migrants. And when it comes to migrants, even nomadic ones, the question of protecting the state border arises. All migrants take advantage of the loopholes in our legislation.
    1. +1
      16 August 2024 09: 55
      No matter how we treat them, all these gypsies are still migrants belay .
      why would you?
      In my Saratov region they have been listed as populated places since the end of the 19th century.
  9. +2
    8 August 2024 07: 59
    And again, gypsies are first and foremost a caste - a gypsy is someone who does the same as his parents and whose children will inherit his activities.
    Moldovan gypsies - Kotlyars were traditionally tinkers (now, to some extent, welding); for Romanian gypsies - Vlachs forging (now, to some extent, auto dismantling); plus for everyone - fortune telling and petty crime.
    As industrialization progressed, the share of traditional professions decreased and crime increased.

    And in terms of the degree of integration into society, the Russian gypsies, who came to Russia at the beginning of the 18th century, are best. They are lighter skinned, some are fully integrated. I even know one gypsy woman - a doctor of science.
    Mostly gypsies from Moldova and Romania, who moved a century and a half later, live in large camps.
  10. +3
    8 August 2024 08: 05
    Quote: Dutchman Michel
    They behave interestingly in Europe. A whole camp approaches the city hall building, starts shouting and demanding money. And the municipality, not wanting a scandal, allocates some money for their maintenance, after which they all move to another city and everything repeats all over again. Then they move to another country and start all over again wink


    They engage in activities that are briefly and accurately reflected by our verb “gypsy.”
  11. +1
    8 August 2024 08: 23
    It’s interesting to see the city of Kemerovo in the late 90s in the first photo)
  12. 10+
    8 August 2024 08: 29
    I know gypsies who have assimilated, live an ordinary life, work. The only thing they have left of the gypsies is their appearance, and even then you can’t immediately understand.
    And there are gypsies who can be put in prison as a whole camp at once.
  13. +3
    8 August 2024 08: 36
    Informative. But it's no use.
  14. +9
    8 August 2024 09: 00
    In German the word gypsy is synonymous with the word Вор or rascal...
  15. Des
    +3
    8 August 2024 10: 47
    Again, an article on the “topic of the day” (the so-called “hype”) from a type - a lot of pseudonymous author. It's surprising that this is the norm.
    And after all, the topic has not been covered, everything (as in most publications of this conglomerate of “authors”)) is a skim through the top and (apparently) borrowings.
    Article minus.
    For gypsies (any) - any nation, the state is a food supply.
    Of course there are exceptions.
    1. +1
      8 August 2024 10: 57
      .[/quo
      Quote: Des
      For gypsies (any) - any nation, the state is a food supply... Of course, there are exceptions...

      Of course......Therefore, I would not say that the Jewish people, Iranians or Chinese were the food source for the gypsies. For example, India is the homeland of the gypsies, and is unlikely to be a food source. And all of this together is already billions of people, and not an exception.
      But there is a people (the only exception in the history of mankind) who themselves rule in order - food supply for everyone no exceptions at all! and especially for their own scoundrels and thieves.
      1. Des
        0
        8 August 2024 11: 05
        Quote: ivan2022
        .Therefore I would not say...

        That is why. What, not like some))).
  16. +1
    8 August 2024 11: 06
    A PPS sergeant can’t even tell a gypsy from a Caucasian or a Tajik.

    In the teaching staff, do you think they are recruiting downs?
    Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
  17. +2
    8 August 2024 12: 01
    Yes, the gypsies still live by their own laws, they often don’t even send their children to school, and almost all of them have disabilities, which does not prevent them from getting a car license. And his own “business”, which is far from legal.
  18. 0
    8 August 2024 14: 12
    About migrants... I was talking to an Uzbek friend, even before the Northern Military District - is their public going to Ukraine?
    Or somewhere else nearby? The answer is vague, but the general idea is that you won’t fit in there, they don’t like you very much and they don’t pay you. At one time we had almost black women with a horde of children sitting and begging at all the crossings.
    But everyone has a phone, their teeth are gold. The Uzbeks have clearly defined that some gypsies from the former republics do not like them there either. Isn’t it like going to Vladivostok with their special recruitment?
    1. 0
      16 August 2024 10: 00
      The answer is vague, but the general idea is that you won’t fit in there, they don’t like you very much and they don’t pay you.
      Because Ukrainians went to the Russian Federation to work, and where there was work in Ukraine it was either a penny or a scam.
      But our earnings were much higher and there were few people willing to work hard for a relatively small salary by our standards - that’s why everyone in the CIS comes to us.
  19. 0
    11 August 2024 21: 55
    Well, here’s one more point on which we can agree with Adolf Aloizovich. That's right, the Germans didn't carry the grimy image of the gypsies in their hearts...
  20. 0
    13 August 2024 17: 50
    Generally speaking, there are gypsies in many countries. And they are different. I have relatives with gypsy ancestry - all are military, from generation to generation they serve the Motherland