Veteran organizations of SVO participants need to be created right now

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Veteran organizations of SVO participants need to be created right now
Colonel General A.V. Terentyev live on VGTRK "Radio Mayak"


June 10, 2024 at stories Союза ветеранов Группы troop в Германии (ГСОВГ, ГСВГ, ЗГВ) случилось небывалое событие. Президент союза, генерал-полковник Антон Терентьев был приглашен в прямой эфир ВГТРК «Радио «Маяк» и в этом прямом эфире поздравил ветеранов ГСВГ с годовщиной образования группы войск.



The congratulations included the following words:

Comrade Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!
We report to you that we, veterans of the Union of Veterans of the Group of Forces in Germany, who have preserved the structure of the Group in the veteran format, will stand in combat formation at the first signal and, since at one time we had a high level of combat and operational training, we will not only be able to equip ribbons or throw grenade, and also fire from all types weapons, drive a combat vehicle and look into the eyes of the Leopard driver, the son or grandson of the Tiger driver who survived the Kursk Bulge. We, veterans, fully support you and believe in our Victory.

And it is not just words. Many veterans of the GSVG and ZGV volunteered for the Northern Military District.

This congratulation is unprecedented because for 30 years of the existence of the Union of Veterans of a Group of Forces in Germany, neither the union nor its representatives were given a word in the media, not to mention an invitation to a live broadcast. There were practically no publications about the history of the GSVG. The author's two books about this group of troops, published in 2019 and 2022, broke this veil of silence.

And this, in my opinion, is an important event, marking a change in attitude towards veteran organizations in the top military and political leadership. This is welcome.

I’ll immediately express this thought - it’s time to create veteran organizations for participants in a special military operation.

Why are veterans organizations needed?


Organizations of military veterans are a multifaceted phenomenon and absolutely necessary for the country’s defense capability.

Firstly, veterans remember and talk about how they fought. Such stories are military-patriotic education, its important element. The participation of veterans in various events, for example, in school lessons, is much easier to organize if there is a veterans organization.

Secondly, stories about war are also instructions. Veterans are valuable instructors. I think there is no need to prove this; we have seen how in Belarus they used with great benefit the valuable experience of the soldiers of the Wagner PMC to train their own troops. It is advisable to put this instruction on stream, so that classes with combat veterans in military schools and units become permanent, regular and an integral part of combat training. It is much easier to organize this when there is a veterans organization.

Thirdly, veterans who are suitable in age and health are also a valuable mobilization resource that can be collected secretly if there are veteran organizations. Just a few phone calls, and specific people walk through inconspicuous doors.

In general, I think that in conscription from the reserve and for mobilization there must be a certain proportion of veterans with real combat experience, who can be commanders or instructors. People need to be prepared for combat, which I also don’t think needs to be proven.

Fourthly, veterans need to be remembered, periodically honored, and their various problems solved, which is also easier to do if there is a veterans organization.

The veterans' organization gives its members the opportunity, until very old age, to directly participate in activities to strengthen the country's defense capability and develop the armed forces. And this is its main meaning.

If we ourselves do not deal with veterans’ organizations, their creation, development and involvement in various military activities, then this will be dealt with by the potential enemy and his intelligence structures.

Meet for... inducement to treason


I saw with my own eyes how enemy intelligence tried to treat GSVG veterans at meetings that took place on Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow, for example, on June 9, 2019, when my first book about a group of troops was published, and I signed it there for everyone.


My book about the history of the GSVG in 2019 is now a rarity.

The Union of Veterans of the Group of Forces in Germany holds its meetings on the same Poklonnaya Hill on June 10, on the anniversary of that day - June 10, 1945, when the Group of Soviet Occupation Forces in Germany was officially formed. But for some time there was a “public initiative” that met a day earlier. I will not go into a discussion of how they argued that it was necessary to gather on June 9, and not June 10, but I will immediately move on to the result.


This was such a fun meeting on Poklonnaya Hill on June 9, 2019

The gathering was mostly privates, sergeants, foremen, and there were few officers. A crowd formed, almost without control, in which whoever wanted could command. And in this crowd there appeared people who were clearly trying to gain their trust. I could see them clearly because everything was happening next to the stack of books that I was signing. You could even hear conversations, and even circulate around the square, see and listen to who was communicating with whom.
Due to the nature of my occupation and interests, I read a lot of open literature on the history of the special services and the methods of their work, so, of course, I was aware of the options for the recruiting approach. Once I even used SMERSH methods in literary criticism to find out the authorship of memoirs written on behalf of a pre-revolutionary military officer.

In this crowd, let’s say, a person appears. Apparently no one knows him. He sits next to one, then to another, listens, starts conversations. So he found a talkative veteran and began to question him: where he served, rank, specialty, and so on. The pretext is plausible - veterans are looking for their colleagues.

But it happened that such a person could not definitely say where he “served.” Although real veterans will always clearly say the unit number, garrison, and subordination of the unit to one or another unit. More often, colleagues find each other precisely through the garrison if they served in neighboring units.

After some time, not very long, this strange man already becomes the center of the company, begins to speak and gather people around him, in fact, on behalf of the talkative, open veteran with whom he began communicating.

Then there is an exchange of contacts, phone numbers, addresses, questions, questions, questions... After the entire event, colleagues or just acquaintances are distributed to nearby cafes and restaurants, have a drink, reminisce, and chat. This strange man with them, already at the same table, seems to be one of his own.

There is a good chance that he was a recruiter for Ukrainian or some other special services, collecting information for subsequent recruitment. Having found out everything about the veteran, especially about his service, specialty, experience and awards, family, this recruiter can go either to the soft option, offering money for treason, or to the hard option of inducing treason, threatening the family.

Most of all, such strange people were interested in driver mechanics tanks and armored vehicles, tank gunners, artillery gunners, snipers, rocket launchers. Recruiters are targeting veterans with skills in short supply. And if someone said that he still had friends in Ukraine or the Baltic states, then in general, ears are on top.

From several hundred and even thousands of veterans you can get a lot out of them, especially since I then noticed three or four such strange and suspicious people who were interested, apparently there was a whole network of them.

At the same time, recruitment approaches can be very different. This could be a person who is looking for colleagues of his father or another relative. Or a journalist who supposedly wants to write an article. And in general, very simple methods of collecting information were used. For example, on the same Poklonnaya Hill people appeared with signs: “Identify yourself.”


A man holding a sign that says "Identify yourself" at a meeting in 2018


A man holding the same "Identify Yourself" sign at a meeting in 2019. I covered my faces because I have no evidence of their involvement in anything. I just want to draw your attention to the fact that such collection of information at a meeting of veterans looks extremely suspicious.

Websites appeared about the GSVG, which had a registration form that required you to provide all the information about yourself. Such sites appeared and disappeared. There were communities on social networks, groups in messengers and much more.

A little healthy suspicion


It’s a good idea to remember the good old rule: “Don’t talk!” and have a bit of healthy suspicion. A couple of times I saw these strange people approach one or the other. Then a few words and they parted ways. No contact took place.

If we talk about GSVG veterans, the simplest way to check your interlocutor is to demand the name of the unit and garrison. Those who actually served there will clearly name their unit, and they know which units were nearby in the same garrison. The sent Cossack can fall asleep already at this point.

There are other ways, for example, the characteristic features of garrisons, local topography, the names of commanders, some memorable incidents, and so on. If the interlocutor has a legend that is not very well worked out, then he will not know something and will make a mistake, which will give himself away.

In general, counterintelligence techniques are simple but effective.

In a veteran organization, it is easier to organize counteraction to enemy intelligence activity, and this counteraction will be much more effective. The organization can check those who try to infiltrate under the guise of a veteran by checking his military ID with the data of the corresponding military registration and enlistment office. You can also check “relatives” who are trying to make contacts under the pretext of interest in the service or searching for colleagues. And so on. You need to be as careful as possible and not reveal yourself to just anyone.

Finally, it is advisable for any veteran organization to have at least one retired counterintelligence officer to resolve specific issues. As a rule, in addition to extensive experience, they also have a trained eye.

Here you have to think that if they revolved around the veterans of the GSVG and ZGV, the youngest of whom are well over 50 years old, then, presumably, attempts to recruit members of the SVO will be much more active and persistent. It is also worth recalling the sad fate of many veterans of the war in Afghanistan who became involved in crime.

This is one of the most compelling reasons to create veteran organizations of SVO members right now. In them, veterans of the Northern Military District will be much better protected from the machinations of enemy intelligence services, and they can use their experience to strengthen the country’s defense capability.

The Union of Veterans of the Group of Forces in Germany, which has accumulated great organizational potential over the 30 years of its work, can provide a variety of assistance and support in this regard.
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  1. +1
    7 August 2024 05: 30
    Wow collection of information!!!
    I immediately have a lot of questions for such a person... who is behind him... for what purpose is he interviewing, and so on.
    Various scammers operate using approximately the same scheme, hiding behind surveys from various government agencies.
  2. +9
    7 August 2024 05: 51
    And what kind of “valuable instructors” are these veterans who served thirty years ago, moreover, in a completely different army under a completely different government system. A person who is over fifty today, how and what kind of “valuable instructor” can he be if he himself first needs to retrain in a very serious “training”, since over these thirty years military equipment and methods have changed so much that such an “instructor” will have to learn very for a long time ... If there is a desire to “instruct” drill training, well, the “instructor” themselves, after thirty years without the army, have had their belly sag so much that ...
    And you were also trained by Soviet political commanders-communists, who are not in the army today at all..., but under whom the USSR collapsed, and they didn’t even raise an eyebrow to save the Motherland. Since you will prepare someone, morally, with such "preparation" of yours
    1. +2
      7 August 2024 12: 20
      Quote: north 2
      and what kind of “valuable instructors” are these veterans who served thirty years ago?

      We were taught and taught very well. I was in retraining 5 years ago, I can compare (the young lieutenant does not know the device of the KPVT, I can write that my ears will wither). And the mine is correct, I can still place it with my eyes closed and assemble it from ......... ..........(this probably cannot be written).
    2. +1
      7 August 2024 20: 10
      and what does the political officer have to do with it, dear, everything is in a heap. And where did you, my dear friend, see the new equipment, BMP-1,2,3.. Tanks, self-propelled guns, small arms, artillery, where is it new? The author wanted to say something completely different , you need to read carefully, and it’s a pity that there are no political officers and political instructors, maybe they would not have escaped from the Kharkov region, there was no political instructor Klochkov, you know about this and his words.
      1. -1
        7 August 2024 22: 36
        Commissars with political instructors and political officers are completely different people - educators. Stalin's political commissars Klochkov was from the glorious galaxy of Bolshevik commissars. And the Gorbachev-Yeltsin Lizichevs and Shlyagi were from Brezhnev’s political officers... and they surrendered the country. So there is no need to go on and on about who the Klochkovs were political instructors and who the political leaders were balabols.
    3. -1
      12 August 2024 16: 45
      North 2. August 7, 2024 05:51 New. your - “...and what kind of “valuable instructors” are these veterans who served thirty years ago, moreover, in a completely different army under a completely different government system. A person who is over fifty today, how and what kind of “valuable instructor” can he be if he himself first needs to retrain in a very serious “training” ... "
      Another koekaker bully in military construction...good. if you served. It’s scary if it is now related to the army (if not only as an assigned mobile reserve).
      City Generalissimo:
      1. veterans are different. many. if not by age. then by knowledge and skills (what today's co-workers call competencies). can give a head start to at least 90% of the male population of the Russian Federation. Where to meet a male individual who does not know how to handle an AK (in variants) from the word - AT ALL. But the “experienced mouse bastards” are good. what is. who to teach and serve.. those who went to the North Military District...
      Many current specialists without their experience would be just meat. until we accumulate EXPERIENCE.
      From WWII. Afghan. Chechnya and other events before and in between.
      2. Throwing shit at veterans. which now includes you, veterans of the Northern Military District. at least already under the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. At most, “just” a PEST.
      3. From covering the past, incl. WWII. Afghanistan. Chechnya and now the Northern Military District resembles a path. when a warrior. engineer (scientist and...). the worker was “lowered - hidden” in the dullness and made “nobly” beggars towards the end of the USSR. And businessmen - speculators “surfaced” (what doesn’t sink...!?) and became “heroes”. Incl. “how much is opium for the people” a misplaced Cossack!?
      4. I agree with the author. There is really one more niche. where veterans are NEEDED. alas, most of them are veterans of the Northern Military District. This is to go into power soldier . At least. no matter what happens. like with Afghanistan (“... we didn’t send you there...”) and then with the USSR (Marked. Shiva and others...).
      And the old people. also in the aisle. Look who's at SVO. what are the ages and percentage of military veterans from the USSR + RF. Afghanistan. Chechnya and... There are many niches. which are long overdue to be filled as min - advisors and consultants. About NVP teachers. NSh on civil defense and mobile work at enterprises and from subjects. municipalities and….If you dig deeper. as well as in the Kursk region in preparation for a possible invasion... as well as in the RF Ministry of Defense during the period of inspections with the identified shrunken 11 trillion rubles. And this is a connection. UAVs and much more. which could save our lives not only in the Northern Military District...
  3. +1
    7 August 2024 06: 34
    In Russia, in addition to the national elite, two classes should dominate - workers and warriors, and not intermediaries and manipulators. We must welcome any self-organization of healthy people, this will help overcome the looseness of society - time requires development, renewal and great things.
    Military service in the GSVG is one of the most vivid memories; even after 46 years it still gives me practical benefits.
  4. +4
    7 August 2024 06: 42
    Veteran organizations of SVO participants need to create right now
    Right now? Sorry, but for whom? The SVO is not over yet; no one is releasing those mobilized yet.
    Are those who bought their medals starting to burn? It was the SBU agent who killed Murza who decided to head the new organization.
    https://t.me/DPRinfantry/4907
    And the ATO veterans who repainted themselves as SVO participants can’t wait:
    https://t.me/DPRinfantry/4878
    Today is a holiday in Russia - Combat Veterans Day. Together with you, it will also be celebrated by former Ukrainian security officials, ATO participants, who, for a bribe, were filtered by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and got a job in the administration of Melitopol and Berdyansk, and received the status of SVO participants there. True, until now not all active security forces in the DPR have been assigned members of the SVO, and there is no talk at all about militias and PMC/GVK operators. Fact - all employees of the administration of the Zaporozhye region of Russia, who until 2022 had the status of an ATO participant, received the status of a SVO participant. In the LDPR, on the contrary, a number of security forces do not assign such status.
    However, we have long understood that we are losers and the Ukrainians in the liberated territories are much more important than the veterans of Donbass. We didn’t stand up like that, we opposed the Ukrainian authorities, didn’t respect the truce, etc. Therefore, we are class aliens. And former Ukrainians, newly converted Russians from Melitopol and Berdyansk - they never opposed the government, never killed anyone, obediently think with their stomachs and quickly change their shoes to any government. These are more needed.

    IMHO: the men will return from the front, they'll figure it out who is a real veteran, and who was not even close there.
  5. -2
    7 August 2024 07: 00
    It is on such people that the Russian land stands. Not on people like Volodin and Matvienko, but on officers like these.
    1. +4
      7 August 2024 08: 12
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      It is on such people that the Russian land stands. Not on people like Volodin and Matvienko, but on officers like these.

      For me, these are too strong words for a general from the GSVG, who still wonders how he got there... why not veterans of the ZabVO? I looked at the general’s biography - I’ve never participated in the database, so what and who is he going to teach? and why does the Russian Land rest on it?
    2. 0
      19 August 2024 19: 49
      It is on such people that the Russian land stands. Not on people like Volodin and Matvienko, but on officers like these.
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      on what?
      On people who seriously consider the experience of serving in another country in the army of another state to be important?
      Their experience FROM 35 years - then people gathered to fight in divisions and tank armies, and not like now - "Strategic offensive with a platoon and 1 tank!!!(With)
  6. +1
    7 August 2024 07: 50
    The Veterans Union is created primarily to help the veterans themselves. It is too early to create one - the veterans are still working.
  7. -2
    7 August 2024 09: 36
    The author is absolutely right.
    You need to create here and now. Legal support. Not all veterans returned healthy. They need help, they are entitled to benefits. Do they know about them, know how to receive them, which doors and how to knock? NO!!! So a salaried lawyer (at least part-time) is required there. Next, the families of the victims. The same thing applies to what benefits are provided and from whom to extract them. And just human participation, the death of a relative is always difficult.
    Even worse, conflicts between veterans who live “justly” at the front with local rulers and simply “good people”. They were, are and will be. Again, legal support is needed, because the distance between “causing moderate bodily harm” and “attempted murder” is large from the point of view of the Criminal Code, and small from the point of view of the police. You may not even notice.
    Well, and a political question. Veterans are strength. The question is who will lead, and what results we will achieve.
    1. -3
      7 August 2024 12: 11
      Well, firstly, social issues should be decided by the military registration and enlistment office. And secondly, if a veteran is kicked out, then only in court. And even knowing what kind of justice we have now, I don’t think that judges will now decide the issue against veterans. This is fraught.
      1. +3
        7 August 2024 12: 19
        Well, you never know who owes anything to anyone. Knowing our state (specifically, the state of the rich and scammed), I doubt that everything a veteran should be “handed over on a silver platter.” My experience suggests that benefits and allowances will have to be chewed out.
        As for our Russian court, I checked what it is for myself. You will be in court for a year, and winning a trial is just a qualification. Nobody will execute the court decision, the court decision is executed only by ordinary citizens (read fools and suckers), bailiffs do an excellent job of IBD, they do nothing for citizens, from personal practice.
        1. -3
          7 August 2024 12: 22
          Maybe after the completion of this SVO the state will treat its defenders properly? Yes, what am I talking about... I was daydreaming.. am
  8. +1
    7 August 2024 09: 48
    Which of the GSVG veterans are snipers and driver mechanics, how old are they? The usual operational work of the native special services is going on. Previously, at a rally of anti-vaxxers, a couple of tramplers always rubbed shoulders, but here there are no military men, no matter how new Kvachkov appears. Don’t worry about the veterans of the Northern Military District, they will definitely create unions, good people with money, or do you think the last people who lived for God knows how many years in the war and received 3-4 thousand dollars will go for 30 thousand rubles as a security guard or teach patriotism at school? That will be all the difference from 90g The fact is that back then the mercenaries were killed with a sniper rifle, and now FPV will fly into their mercenaries.
    1. 0
      7 August 2024 13: 01
      Kvachkov recently went on a “hiking trip” to Russian churches, hermitages and monasteries. drinks
      An alarming sign, as if the crossbowmen did not suddenly appear somewhere on Rublyovka with their tumens, while the troops were sent to recapture all Kursk.
  9. +1
    7 August 2024 10: 05
    ...on the same Poklonnaya Hill people appeared with signs: “Identify yourself.”
    ...Websites appeared about the GSVG, which had a registration form that required you to provide all the information about yourself. Such sites appeared and disappeared. There were communities on social networks, groups in messengers and much more.

    So maybe This data collection was an attempt to assemble a social network of veterans who, due to their age, are not very present on the Internet? In the Union of Veterans of the Group of Forces in Germany, what do they say about this? Or do they already have their own network/forum? It’s not very clear why enemy intelligence focused on these particular veterans, and not from Zab.VO, as the “2nd level advisor (Nikolai) Today, 08:12” rightly noted here? Did the GSVG have any special selection criteria? I understand the author’s wariness about this initiative - after all, it is logical to assume that our structures have all this personnel information, it seems that there is no need to collect it. But there is a nuance - events of this kind are attended by the most easy-going, sociable people who cannot be identified from a general card index, but here they themselves have already been selected according to these criteria. Although, based on my character, I would send such collectors if they are truly anonymous. Did the author talk to them himself, or did he observe from afar? The whole mystery is in the motivation for such collection of information, both for ours and for other people’s structures. This topic has not been addressed.
  10. 0
    7 August 2024 11: 47
    I’d like to be wrong, but it’s more likely that veterans will be useful not to “hostile intelligence services”, but to crime...
    in the 90s, the “Afghans” were “protecting” the markets with might and main (pushing elbows with the “boxer wrestlers”)...
    now a renaissance of organized crime groups is quite possible, taking into account the millions who have gone through combat operations and hundreds of thousands of them who have crossed the threshold of “you can kill if there is an enemy there” (in the future it will be easier “you can kill if there is a bad person there,” and so on. )...

    to prevent criminalization - yes, we need to work with “veteran communities”...
  11. RMT
    0
    7 August 2024 14: 42
    "... I have no evidence of their involvement in anything.."
    and after that:
    “There is a good chance that he was a recruiter for Ukrainian or some other special services, collecting information for subsequent recruitment.”
  12. 0
    7 August 2024 15: 43
    Veteran organizations are absolutely necessary. But since military service, soldiers are separate, officers are separate. Generals separately. The generals ruined the country and did not raise troops against the traitors of the country, although they swore an oath to defend the Motherland to the last drop of blood.
    And now we have what we have.
  13. +1
    7 August 2024 17: 47
    Terentyev composed his speech beautifully! I remembered the party conference of the group headquarters and about five general-political workers in the presidium. And the speech of the PMC for an hour and a half. In short, he called for heroic deeds.
  14. +1
    7 August 2024 19: 17
    How many different councils have already been created under the Ministry of Defense, headed by former political slackers! And where were they when the leadership of the Ministry of Defense created their own business on the basis of the Ministry of Defense?? They met modestly!!??
  15. -2
    7 August 2024 19: 27
    Interesting......they're dancing...
    It turns out that enemy intelligence services show much more attention to veterans than their own society and state.....

    Thanks to the author for enlightening me. I remember an old joke about searching for a spy at a party meeting: “It’s easy to find a spy. You just have to remember that the enemy is not asleep.”

    Party meetings as an episode of history “have sunk into oblivion,” but the strong spirit of indifference is still the same as it was probably a thousand years ago: “Grandfather, well, quickly get out of here, there’s no reason for any wretched rogues to hang around here!”
  16. ada
    +1
    8 August 2024 22: 17
    You came to the wrong site with such an offer; there are few people here that you need. You need to find a domestic one, but most likely this is impossible and it will probably be easier to start some work in the information environment yourself to create a domestic resource as part of the structure of the future organization. You need young assistants - specialists in the field of information technology and government assistance, direct connections with the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and, of course, with the Ministry of Defense and other departments that provide for military service and maintain reserve records, and have departmental archives.
    The most dangerous thing for a veterans’ organization is to get involved in the criminal world or business activities, which, unfortunately, is inevitable and will have to be fought against, otherwise activities for the benefit of veterans will quickly end.
    To be honest, they created the Northern Military District Veterans Fund - “sweep aside” according to the law whoever should be there, if you can, and introduce it into the state structure for the budget - and, from this basis, “union” even by branches of the military, all the veterans will bow to you for your dedication and selflessness.
  17. +1
    9 August 2024 10: 39
    Some kind of bullshit. Why collect information from 30 years ago from privates or junior officers of veterans? In the active army, all senior admiral generals in NATO countries have real estate, families, lovers, money. Insistently ask anyone - whatever he knows, he will say