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Royal Navy problems


Trouble haunts Britain fleet everywhere. From the lack of personnel that has led to the decommissioning of perfectly capable frigates to the constant technical problems on Royal Navy ships, this is the current situation in the British Navy.



Four Type 23 frigates, including Monmouth, Montrose, Westminster and Argyll, were withdrawn from service without replacement. Another frigate, Northumberland, was transferred to the Babcock frigate support center in Davenport in March this year.

Apparently, the initial inspection and fault detection of the Northumberland showed disappointing results, and repairs to the ship have not yet begun. It probably won't start, given that the Iron Duke's £103 million refurbishment has also not been completed. They plan to write it off next year.

It was planned that the Iron Duke would be equipped with the S2087 sonar system with the Westminster, but it is unknown whether such a castling was made or whether it remained only on paper. There is no point in spending such large sums on a ship that has only two or three years of active service left.

The frigate Lancaster is due to be decommissioned in 2025-26. It is the oldest surviving Type 23 ship and has been in the Persian Gulf for three years. Its condition is probably not the best, and there is no point in repairing it.

The frigate Richmond was supposed to replace Lancaster, but an unplanned trip to the Red Sea probably seriously delayed the rotation. When the Lancaster returns from the Persian Gulf, it will likely be phased out.

The frigate HMS Kent is currently being prepared for maintenance with a replacement PGMU. Considering how long such repairs usually take, we can assume that it will not be back in service any time soon.

Depending on when Kent departs and what happens to HMS Northumberland, the number of frigates could potentially be reduced to just seven ships in 2026, of which only five would actually be operational.

Now let's talk about new ships


The Type 26 Glasgow and Type 31 Venturer frigates are due to enter service in late 2027 or early 2028. However, it is difficult to say how realistic this is. The Venturer has not even been launched yet, although the hull and propulsion system are said to be in a high state of completion.

However, there are problems. Firstly, the cost of the ships was significantly underestimated when concluding contracts, which led to a conflict between Babcock and the Admiralty. Builders demand additional money, but admirals do not want or cannot give it. They tried to resolve the dispute out of court, but have not yet resolved it.

Secondly, as stated earlier, the ships were not properly armed for their size and displacement. Now we are talking about installing the American UVP Mk. 41. However, the first two buildings, “Venturer” and “Active”, are already in such degrees of readiness that do not allow changes to be made without serious alterations, which, of course, no one will do, since the cost will increase significantly.

American UVPs will probably appear on the last three hulls, and the first ones will receive them during a major overhaul, that is, soon. This means that Admiralty operations officers will have to take into account such features of these ships when planning combat services.

It is assumed that new frigates of type 26 and type 31 will enter service annually, one ship of each type. It is difficult to say how realistic this is; too many unpredictable factors may arise. By 2033–34, all Type 26 and Type 31 frigates should be in service, and the last two Type 23 frigates should be decommissioned. However, this is a rather distant prospect.

There are more pressing problems. The Royal Navy's Great Eastern Crusade is planned for next year. If it’s more or less clear with aircraft carriers, although I have some doubts, then I have very doubts about escort ships.

At least one destroyer, two frigates and a multipurpose nuclear submarine (MAS) are required. Taking two out of five frigates is somehow wrong. The technical condition of the Estute-type MAPL also raises very strong doubts. One of them is awaiting renovation in Devonport. The rest leave the base very rarely and very briefly.

Even the SSBN went to test the new torpedo, although it is much more reasonable to save the far from infinite resource of the not-so-new SSBN and entrust such a task to a relatively new MAPL. Whether one of the new MAPLs will be able to withstand a multi-month, thousand-mile journey is, of course, an interesting question.

Something also went wrong with the supply ships. There is no clear information about Fort Victoria. She will officially participate. Unofficially, it is rusting against the wall without any repair. The crew was partially scattered among those ships that were underway.

One of the four relatively new “tides” was suddenly taken out of service without any explanation. At least one, and preferably two, are needed for a long campaign, because power plants consume diesel fuel at an alarming rate. Or “crawl” from port to port, but this will not be royal at all.

I would like to remind you that in 2035, in 10 years, the designated service life of Dontles and Estute will expire. They also need to be changed, and the replacement should have started to be prepared yesterday. This is the harsh British reality. And how Their Lordships are going to “extricate themselves” from all this is difficult to guess.
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  1. +5
    7 August 2024 06: 50
    Good article.
    We would have their problems ...
    1. -1
      7 August 2024 07: 08
      The article discusses a certain middle option. In fact, it could be worse. It’s much worse, looking at what’s going on with them now.
      1. +2
        7 August 2024 17: 28
        Or maybe better.
        Much better.
        They said it themselves
        The article discusses a certain middle option.
        1. -2
          7 August 2024 18: 18
          Theoretically possible. Theoretically, I can even believe in aliens))) but, alas, the harsh British reality leaves very little room for optimism.
  2. 0
    7 August 2024 07: 24
    After the events that are happening now in England, the problems of His Majesty's fleet with the staffing of crews will increase even more. Who to protect these "irreplaceable specialists"? No, let's go to Australia instead. I hope that in about ten years the only thing left from the English fleet will be a mooring line with a strand of red woven into it (previously, such a line on a non-English ship, vessel - watercraft threatened confiscation in favor of the English crown)
    1. 0
      7 August 2024 07: 58
      Good day, Andrey. Glad to hear that. Yes, there was already a shortage of crews - be healthy, but now in general. We just started talking about the “Great Eastern Expedition” and here is the news from the British Defense Ministry - two Norwegian ships will participate in the expedition, one of which is a frigate. That is, the Britons can’t even assemble one AUG themselves))) again there will be a pair from each creature)))
      1. -1
        7 August 2024 08: 35
        Nikolay, good day, cool news about the Norgs. It's a shame, but what about us, how about the threat from Russia? Two corvettes on a cruise. Although the Norgs are cool - there is a threat from Russia for a week, if someone is nearby from NATO, when there is no one - without Russia you can't.
        1. +1
          7 August 2024 08: 41
          Well, this is preliminary information for now. A lot can change in a year, even to the point that there will be no Long March)))
  3. +1
    7 August 2024 08: 11
    In the article, replace the KYROLEV fleet with the Russian one, change the ship identifiers and we get the same picture. Yes, nuclear icebreakers are being built in Russia - these are 98% service ships for the civilian fleet. Everything else is identical. In the past we ate deliciously, but now the result is the end result.
    1. -1
      7 August 2024 08: 34
      As already mentioned, the article provides a certain averaged version. In reality it could be worse. Regarding how bad the Russian Navy is))) the new MAPLs and SSBNs are “on the move”, and not stationed at their bases, like the Britons. New ships are also being built, albeit not at the rate we would like. However, we should not forget that Russia has been under sanctions since 2014, and no one is stopping the Britons. And Britain is an island, and Russia is a continental power.
      1. -5
        7 August 2024 08: 48
        Don't be ridiculous - look at Iran. And ships, and rockets, and spaceships, and the territory is NOT the largest in the world, and there are NO resources.
        And RUSSIA is building “small ones!!!” ships. And their characteristics... I want to cry, but my whole face is set on edge. Iran had outdated Soviet technologies, and Russia had the best Soviet ones, and until 14 the whole world was open - and where is the development. Sanctions are the bleating of sheep from the “authorities” (and then curse words for 30 minutes).
        Until 14, we bought food, thanks to the sanctions - now we have our own food (I don’t eat rotten smoked meat and blue cheeses and I can afford them... whiskey for 1000 bucks, which must be diluted with fizz for 1,5 bucks...).
        Britam - and to me, Brits are like blue cheese.
        In the USSR people built everything from scratch, but in Russia there were sanctions. Sanctions are in the minds of politicians, unfortunately they can no longer be shot or hanged - the creatures have learned the lessons of history.
        1. 0
          7 August 2024 09: 43
          You need to reduce maximalism; all countries have gone through periods of rise and decline. So, Russia still has everything ahead, but the arrogant Saxons are entering a period of decline, primarily in morality. And behind it will come complete degradation. I don’t remember which historian said: “Ancient Rome was destroyed not by barbarians, but by internal problems. The barbarians finished it off.”
          1. +2
            7 August 2024 21: 09
            So I’m afraid that everything is still just ahead for Russia, and what is happening now is still just flowers...
            1. -2
              7 August 2024 23: 27
              There is adequate leadership, there is time and place to solve the problem. Moreover, there is no need to reinvent the wheel. We need to adopt the best practices of Saudi Arabia
        2. +4
          7 August 2024 15: 12
          Quote: Roman_
          And RUSSIA is building “small ones!!!” ships.

          Surface. There are no such problems with the construction of nuclear submarines.
          In general, of course, there is a paradox - huge problems with the construction of frigates or even small missiles, but at the same time the serial construction of SSBNs and SSBNs.
        3. +2
          7 August 2024 17: 20
          Quote: Roman_
          look at Iran. and there are NO resources.

          Everything is normal in the Islamic Republic with resources.
          Oil production (2nd place in production among OPEC countries), coal, gas, copper, iron, manganese and lead-zinc ores. Mechanical engineering and metalworking are widely represented, as well as the food and textile industries.
          Add to this a much warmer climate and an exceptionally favorable geographical location
          Quote: Roman_
          Iran had outdated Soviet technology

          Come on!)))
          1. -1
            9 August 2024 09: 35
            Iran has been under sanctions for 40 years, yet the country survives and develops. Well done Persians.
  4. +2
    7 August 2024 15: 09
    This is generally a funny story - the shrinking and collapse of England as a great power. The fleet is only one segment of the inevitable self-destruction of the once great Empire. When the United States took away colonial opportunities from Great Britain, the British were promised colossal financial flows. And the funny thing is, the Americans kept their word.
    The already enormous potential of London as a global financial center has been activated. They transferred part of their money there, gave money to their satellites in this direction... in general, there was a lot of things there. And yet Great Britain has shrunk to England - a small and not very successful island with properties around the world, on which there is barely room for thatch huts, where cash offices and other slippery financial services are hidden... which are no longer even enough to support an island that has lost virtually its entire real economy. "Forge of the World"? It's not even funny anymore.
    So what's wrong? And this always happens. One has only to give power in the office to an accountant, at first the indicators improve... but after a while the office comes to an end. And the funny thing is that masters of handling money always end up in huge debts. Financial power for developing systems is completely destructive. And it will always be like this...
    1. -1
      7 August 2024 15: 16
      Well, this is quite understandable; the fleet, as one of the most complex and expensive government structures, is one of the first to die when a country dies.
      1. +1
        7 August 2024 15: 19
        This is true. Huge machines that have gone far beyond the boundaries of reliability theory. Not only is it expensive, but the bigger issue is that engineers must be given TOTAL authority over the design and execution, as well as the maintenance of the vessels and ships. But this situation completely contradicts the very principles of financial power. This is what we see all over the world now. Fleets ahead, yes...
        1. -3
          7 August 2024 16: 14
          There’s no arguing here - the British have forgotten how to build ships. Moreover, the admirals want to cram maximum weapons into minimum displacement and at the same time, cheaper)))
      2. +5
        7 August 2024 21: 15
        the fleet, as one of the most complex and expensive government structures, is one of the first to die when a country dies

        It’s good that our fleet is doing well. Especially at Chernomorsky. This means that the country is not in danger.
        1. -2
          7 August 2024 23: 28
          Compared to other fleets, it’s relatively good. we need to work further.
          1. Lad
            +1
            8 August 2024 04: 53
            Yeah, next. And where to go next? Where? And so the fleet was driven to one of the most distant ports. Further east there are only mountains. You can’t really hide a fleet in the mountains. Well, maybe you can hide it in Turkey - I’m not arguing. Can. But will it be possible to return him from there?
            1. -1
              9 August 2024 09: 39
              The Novorossiysk naval base was precisely created as a reserve one in case it was impossible to base the fleet in Sevastopol. She is now fulfilling her function. Do you think that such pressure on Sevastopol will be endless? I think not - it is very costly in terms of finances and engine resources. NATO will not work in this mode indefinitely; sooner or later they will “deflate”)))
              1. Lad
                +4
                9 August 2024 11: 56
                Of course NATO can't. The economy must somehow exist. Russia alone can remain in a state of war forever. Why? It probably doesn’t have this same economy at all. Or does it still exist? (I understand that if you say “halva” for a long time, it will become sweeter in your mouth. But halva will never appear in your mouth. Not a piece.) Well, the fleet, yes, as soon as they stop putting pressure on it, the fleet will immediately pull out its tail squeezed between its legs and boldly))) will come out to frolic in the open space from the hole in which he is now hiding. No questions asked here. If they stopped fighting with you, then you can safely leave. There will be no more danger. )
                1. -1
                  9 August 2024 12: 40
                  Well, not forever. NATO is already “deflated” - they have their own problems through the roof. If you criticize, suggest your own course of action. Russia has already been inferior since 1991, and even earlier, roughly speaking, since 1988. If we gave in further, then everything would end very badly. NATO bases on the territory of Ukraine are not a Kremlin horror story; this would have become a reality if not for 2014.
                  1. Lad
                    +1
                    9 August 2024 15: 34
                    What good is it if I offer something? I suggest not starting with suggestions. You have to start by pulling your head out of the sand. (Or out of the ass - where is it?) Look at all the local articles, official information:
                    The Royal Navy has problems. Their fleet is rotting. NATO's weapons are worthless. Their weapons are nothing at all compared to Russian ones. NATO itself is also rotting and will collapse in a month or two at most. Ukraine is fighting not with weapons, but with complete crap - only problems from them. The Ukrainians themselves also don’t know how to fight at all, compared to the Russians. Etc. etc.
                    So what's up? What is the Russian army doing there for so long? Why is the SVO not completed in a week? Why is it the third year and everything is getting worse and worse? And why fight at all if they themselves will fall apart in a month? What and why should one even propose in such a situation if, according to official statements from senior officials, everything is already going according to plan? And there are not even losses. (Why the territory of the Kursk region was included in this plan is not entirely clear. But probably these are ordinary people (they are stupid) and will not understand)
                    In such a situation, you can only offer one thing - wait a month and that’s it - there will be no one left except Russia.
                    1. -3
                      9 August 2024 15: 38
                      You perceive everything too simply or exaggerate. Yes, the NWO was delayed because plan A didn’t work. Plan B didn’t work. It’s a pity for ordinary people, although on the other hand, they might have thought that sooner or later there would be problems with such neighbors and they would move somewhere deeper.
                      1. +1
                        14 November 2024 10: 45
                        Move inland from the Kursk and Belgorod regions? Why then maintain a 2 million army and navy, if not to prevent aggression from neighbors. This is one of the main functions of the state.
                      2. -1
                        14 November 2024 12: 33
                        2 million no, and try to guard and protect borders as long as Russia's with that amount of personnel. Write when you come up with an idea.
                      3. +2
                        14 November 2024 14: 14
                        The staffing level of the RF Armed Forces is 2 people, this is the number that the taxpayer supports. The only border that now has to be really protected is something like 039 thousand km of the border with Ukraine.
                      4. -1
                        14 November 2024 15: 58
                        Remember how many horsepower there were for 2000 km of the front in 1944.