Came to war - die! No return planned for Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers

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Came to war - die! No return planned for Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers


How difficult it is for the Kyiv authorities to keep a good face today. The game, on all fronts, military, diplomatic, economic and even ideological, is going catastrophically poorly. Let's start with ideology. Those “ideals” that played the role of carrots in front of the donkey’s eyes are crumbling one after another.



Freedom? Even the most stubborn, the most ultra-patriotic, after the first attempt to force the authorities to remember the law, understand that freedom in Ukrainian is not at all the same as freedom in normal countries. Even in those that Ukrainians themselves consider unfree.

The rule of law? What kind of law? The right to round up men like stray dogs on the street? The right to kill political opponents without trial? The right to kill civilians on their former territories? Human rights? Wherever you look, there is lawlessness. "What do you want? War"There is only the right to steal for officials and deputies, their right to live, when the rest have only the right to die...

Economy? Of course, you can call the economy living on credit, living on handouts from a rich uncle. Can we call the destruction of the most economically efficient part of society economics? Or the destruction of most sectors of this very economy?

Even today, when the most “big-headed” people have already left Ukraine and are waiting for the end of this historical incident outside the country’s borders, part of that huge scientific potential remains inside, part of well-educated people who know how to not only absorb information, but also analyze it and draw conclusions. Understanding that even if a miracle happens now and the war stops, it will not be possible to revive even a poor semblance of Ukraine.

Those who could do this in the future or at the front or have already settled in other countries. Over the past years, they have found work, housing, and acquired some connections. And what is the point for them to return to ruin? Patriotically rebuilding the country for pennies? Alas, not 1945...You won’t see women harnessed instead of horses or tractors plowing the field. And you won’t see workers living in dugouts and working hard for a bright future for their children.

Diplomacy? In Kyiv they understand perfectly well that only war can save the government. If there is no war, there will be no Western money. There will be no war, many issues will have to be resolved. From electricity to supplying products that you simply won’t have the means to buy. It is from this message that we will look at the Ukrainian kuleba, at the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Kuleba.

So many words, so much pathos, so much desire for peace. But this is for internal consumption. And for the external – return Ukraine to the borders of 1991, period! The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry should have hung out the anarchist flag long ago and returned the country to 1918. "Freedom or death!". However, for the sake of economy, the word “freedom” can be omitted.

Ukrainian on LBS is obliged to die


The military aspect of the problem is most interesting to us. No matter what we say, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are snapping back, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to defend themselves. And for every meter of liberated territory it was paid for in blood. Ours or Ukrainian is not particularly important. The main thing is the price. And it will be huge. Now, when the casualty figures are classified, you can deceive yourself even while standing in a military cemetery, but then?..

Speaking about the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is necessary to recall that we really grew from the same root. I mean mentality and, excuse me, stubbornness. No matter what they say or write, the same brigades consisting of “ideological” ones are not whipping boys at all. And those who are forcibly mobilized, caught on the street, for the most part still fight, and do not celebrate a coward.

But there are few ideological ones left; they are trying to use them for other purposes. So, let's talk about the mobilized. I would say that the entire contingent can be divided into three categories. The first is those who really fight according to the principle - “they were called up, so you need to fight honestly, fulfill your duty as a defender.” 

The next category is a little similar to the first, but still different. These are fatalists. "Come what may. God won’t give it away, the pig won’t eat it.” These fighters carry out their tasks quite conscientiously, but may well give up if the situation reaches a critical “either-or” phase.

Well, the last, third category of mobilized. They serve according to the principle “Oh, well, screw you...”. Their task is to survive. How, question two. The main thing is to survive. Deserte or surrender at the first opportunity.

It is clear that during an offensive the third category makes up a fairly small part of the personnel. The “crowd mood” is triggered when the fighters in the unit are eager to fight, when the spirit of victory reigns. But in a situation where you have to fight off an advancing enemy, when you have to retreat, the number of “thirds” increases sharply.

The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine understands perfectly well what personnel come in each batch of replenishment. Understands and takes all possible measures to stop surrender or desertion. Soldier, if possible. distributed to units under fire that have already proven their effectiveness in the LBS. If this is not possible, then experienced sergeants are appointed as squad commanders.

If this is not possible, the unit is sent to the LBS, but in order to “avoid stupid thoughts”, a barrage detachment of ideological ones is placed behind them, who will quickly “explain” with machine-gun fire that it is impossible to run away from the position, and with artillery that they should also run and surrender it is forbidden.

An example of such “training” is the episode voiced by General Igor Konashenkov in mid-June. On June 14, in the Novomikhailovka area, our artillery did an excellent job against the support of the 54th mechanized brigade. As a result of the shelling, the remaining Armed Forces of Ukraine contacted ours and asked to surrender. Ours ceased fire and provided a corridor for surrender.

But there was no surrender. Literally immediately after we agreed, an armored car from the detachment rushed to the opornik and the entire personnel of the opornik, which was 32 people, were shot on the spot from a heavy machine gun. A similar fate befell many other fighters. There are quite a lot of such stories on Ukrainian telegram channels when 20-30 people are shot.

An equally tragic end awaits deserters. These same detachments search for those who have escaped and, most often, shoot them on the spot. Only a few are returning to the unit. Here's an alternative.

Naturally, the question arises of how to write off losses. Alas, everything is quite simple. with the accounting system that exists in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, lost soldiers will be written off as “missing in action” and that’s it. And everyone is fine. battalion commanders continue to “receive a salary” for a soldier, family members hope for the return of relatives, and in the unit for some time everyone forgets about the possibility of surrender.

Very often they ask about what units are placed in barrier detachments. Many sources report about "Azov" or "Kraken". Even the American magazine American Conservative writes specifically about the Azovites, citing one of the Azov commanders

It turns out too easy somehow. We're used to the fact that there are scumbags there. I think that such units can be created in any direction. Recruit punishers from the old guard, from the same Azovites. Even ATO veterans who have not settled down in civilian life will do...

But, if you suddenly want to read something about the barriers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Ukrainian or Western press, you will be surprised. The Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have these punitive squads. But there are quite nice units of “motivational troops”. A very effective way to increase a person's motivation is a heavy machine gun. gently aimed, gently took off a couple of heads with a massive bullet and that’s it. Everyone is well motivated and eager to go into battle.

Instead of conclusions


The state of the Ukrainian armies It's awful. We understand this. They understand this in Kyiv. They understand this in the Pentagon. Patriotic feelings, brought up on Western ideals and well-learned by the youth, do not fit into the mentality of older Ukrainians. And they are the ones who go to war. The youth is preserved precisely as protection from the older generation.

Ukraine is now truly on the brink, at that very cliff from which there is no return. Zelensky understands perfectly well that his days are numbered. No matter who comes to power in the United States, it makes no difference to him personally. The West understands perfectly well that it is easy to destroy Ukraine according to the principle “don’t get it from anyone.” Play off the youth and the older generation who are against...democratic reforms.

But why? There are no benefits from such destruction. It is possible to divide the country, as they are talking about in Poland, Hungary, Romania and other European countries. To strengthen the eastern wing of NATO and leave “Ukraine” (stump) in order to return their investments.

This highlights the following Western proposals for negotiations on Ukraine. “Earrings for all sisters” and we will disperse peacefully. But nothing that would concern Ukraine and Ukrainians is yet noticeable. The cat was cornered...

The Zahrad detachment, no matter what it is called, is punitive. And even their own military units are not particularly taken into account with punitive forces. “Butchers” are not an army.

“If you read the inscription “Buffalo” on an elephant’s cage, don’t believe your eyes.” Kozma Petrovich Prutkov. Couldn't have said it better. And also, especially for those who imagine themselves to be the rulers of Ukraine:

 “Where is the beginning of the end with which the beginning ends?”
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  1. -2
    6 August 2024 04: 32
    Speaking about the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is necessary to recall that we really grew from the same root. I mean mentality and, excuse me, stubbornness. No matter what they say or write, the same brigades consisting of “ideological” ones are not whipping boys at all. And those who are forcibly mobilized, caught on the street, for the most part still fight, and do not celebrate a coward.
    This is what I’m talking about too - the war is essentially civil. And we are at war with our crooked looking glass. Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan - if something happens, they will be demolished simply without looking at the civilian population. The Baltic states - it will be easier there - but not for sure.
    1. +6
      6 August 2024 09: 11
      A very strange thesis... the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not fled does not speak of a “Civil War” at all... you can take hundreds of conflicts when both armies were highly motivated and fought to the end, but it was not a Civil War... that the wars in the Balkans in the early 20s centuries, that the Japanese invasion of China, that the Iran-Iraq war, that the Houthi war with the Saudis, that now Israel and Hamas... the defeat depends on the available resources, and not similarity... as an example, the Americans defeated Saddam’s army both times quite quickly precisely because technological superiority, but a guerrilla war has begun... now we simply do not have the resources to crush the Ukrainian Armed Forces...
      Regarding the article, a good half, if not more, of what was said about the Armed Forces of Ukraine is also relevant for us... the assault units of the Aerospace Forces (infantry, if that), about which one well-known TG channel recently wrote about us, say hello...
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  3. +7
    6 August 2024 04: 49
    Strange article, I read the beginning of the article and thought, now I will be greatly downvoted, because my opinion will not be popular. How are we different from them? What are they from us? About officials, about the economy, about life on credit, and working for your uncle. Find 10 differences is called. For us they are fascists, we are for them, but that’s okay, of course you can shout, these bastards shelled the Donbass for 8 years, yes they did, but we didn’t notice it, but we’ll leave that to the ideologists.
    And here, with permission, I will quote:
    And for every meter of liberated territory it was paid for in blood. Ours or Ukrainian is not particularly important. The main thing is the price. And it will be huge. Now, when the casualty figures are classified, you can deceive yourself even while standing in a military cemetery, but then?..

    But the thesis that it doesn’t matter whose blood is shed for the liberated territory is not clear to me at all. That is, it doesn’t matter that our soldiers die, the main thing is that they die? So what happens?
    1. 0
      6 August 2024 05: 03
      But the thesis that it doesn’t matter whose blood is shed for the liberated territory is not clear to me at all. That is, it doesn’t matter that our soldiers die, the main thing is that they die? So what happens?

      In general, it’s clear why our soldiers are dying.
      Well, for example... in Ukraine, Russian people were deprived of their language, culture, the right to the future of their people... there you must be only a Ukrainian and no one else.
      Forced Ukrainization, in essence, Nazism, is the match that set fire to the powder keg of contradictions in Ukraine.
      If the leaders of Ukraine were smarter, they would have taken the path of federalization of the state and then it would have been possible to avoid war... but the Ukrainian Nazis stubbornly resisted like sheep... Bandera is our everything, Ukraine is everything... so you will get a war in the gut and sign for it.
      1. +3
        6 August 2024 09: 26
        Be the leaders of Ukraine smarter

        It seems to me that visible leaders live with the goal of personal enrichment, which is why they act smartly.
        Real leaders, by the way, too. The only losers are the people who were united. Only some were pumped full of perverted nonsense and vile ideology, forcing them to take a crooked path. And it's not just about politics and commerce. They were forced to forget history, betray the memory of their ancestors and admire disgusting values.
      2. +3
        6 August 2024 10: 15
        They cannot follow the path of federalization.. Because Ukrainianism, language and other nonsense will melt in peaceful contact with the Russian world like sugar in boiling water. Due to his complete worthlessness and uselessness to no one. Well, who succeeded, say, in learning language? Literature? Scientific works? Etc? Yes, there are simply no traces of them. Therefore - only forcible fencing, nothing else. And by the way, Ukrainians can expect exactly the same thing with free contact with the Polish world. There, of course, everything is noticeably thinner than here, but there is some kind of culture. But Ukraine doesn’t. With all the consequences...
        1. +1
          6 August 2024 13: 32
          Well, who succeeded, say, in learning language? Literature?

          They respect and value literature. For example, in the village of Kotlyarka, near Zhitomir, a monument to Lenin was converted into a monument to Shevchenko... wink
      3. -1
        6 August 2024 11: 36
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        If the leaders of Ukraine were smarter, they would have taken the path of federalization of the state and then war would have been avoided..

        But the owner is from Washington, installs his pro-American leaders (starting with Kuchma), and Yanukovych appeared, not pro-Russian, but who simply did not comply with Washington’s “instructions”, so he was immediately demolished, installing the desired Poroshenko (half-Jew), because he is no longer Ukrainian and not Russian. And now the “looker over Ukraine” is not of the Slavic class at all.
      4. 0
        6 August 2024 13: 37
        “If the leaders of Ukraine were smarter, they would have taken the path of federalization of the state and then war would have been avoided.”
        It's not a matter of intelligence, but of subjectivity and independence. The leaders of Ukraine are proteges of the West, and there can be no talk of any independence, and therefore of the true interests of Ukraine. They are the conductors of Western policy, and that is why the war is going on. And this war is not due to the stupidity of the leaders of Ukraine, they do not care about Ukraine and its people and their fate, they consider themselves part of the Western elite. This is the price of loss of independence for the people of Ukraine.
      5. -2
        6 August 2024 14: 06
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Be the leaders of Ukraine smarter

        The boss from Washington would never allow such people to come to power.
    2. +5
      6 August 2024 08: 08
      You noticed correctly. Change the name of the country, the name of the president and it will be the same. And yes, the link to Konashenkov is such a broken card that there is nowhere else to go.
    3. +4
      6 August 2024 08: 33
      Quote from turembo
      How are we different from them?


      Ukraine is Russia, which has no oil, gas and nuclear weapons. Everything else is a consequence of this situation.
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  5. +1
    6 August 2024 05: 32
    In the history of the peoples of the world, there has never been such stupidity as the division of a country in peacetime “so as not to feed these and these.” But the stupidity of “fighting Russia to protect Western civilization from barbarians” is much worse.

    Therefore, first you need to find an answer to the question: “How can any incredible nonsense turn out to be the guiding idea of ​​entire nations?”
    1. -1
      6 August 2024 11: 09
      “And how can any incredible nonsense turn out to be the guiding idea of ​​entire nations?”
      In my opinion, Goebbels explained everything a long time ago
      Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
    2. 0
      6 August 2024 13: 45
      Somehow it is just clear: the territory called Ukraine was controlled from the very beginning (after the collapse of the USSR) by people led by the West. They took the path of fighting not just with Russia, but created anti-Russia on this territory. It was a long-term program, with powerful funding and propaganda, and entire generations were raised in the anti-Russian spirit. And no one opposed this.
      1. +1
        6 August 2024 16: 25
        Operation Lyautey, trees grow for 50 years.
    3. 0
      6 August 2024 14: 03
      Quote: ivan2022
      In the history of the peoples of the world, there has never been such stupidity as the division of a country in peacetime “so as not to feed these and these.”

      I really don’t remember anything like this before 1991.
  6. 11+
    6 August 2024 06: 52
    As for Ukraine. Since 2014, it has indeed been under external control (you can nod to the West, but to a large extent the fault for this lies with the Ukrainians themselves), and has followed the worst of paths - deliberately turning the country into a stupid object of a “holy war with the Russians”, as inside country and outside it. And therefore, by definition, it cannot win the war. Ukraine has already lost, and lost catastrophically. Even in the fantastic version of “reaching the borders in 1991”, the population losses and destruction are colossal, external dependence has only intensified, the fate of Ukraine is to become a rapidly dying out ethnographic reserve, a very much deteriorated analogue of Romania with land owned by foreign corporations. And this is in the best possible way. You can advise them after the war to at least try to establish a national, and not an anti-national, government in the country.
    But the problem is that the Russian Federation also lost the war(a war may have more than one loser or winner, or there may be no winners at all). The entire struggle is now being waged over the extent of this defeat. After all, you can lose a war in different ways.
    1. +4
      6 August 2024 07: 16
      Quote: Belisarius
      Russia also lost the war

      It's called a "Pyrrhic victory"
    2. +8
      6 August 2024 10: 20
      Russia also lost the war

      We all lost the war back in 1991... And these are just the consequences of that total defeat.
      1. 0
        6 August 2024 12: 30
        I came to war and die. So this applies to us. Who came first to the war?
      2. -3
        6 August 2024 13: 59
        Quote: paul3390
        We all lost the war back in 1991...

        We didn’t lose anything, we were once again basely betrayed.
  7. 16+
    6 August 2024 07: 11
    Why did my grandfather die? Near Sevastopol in 1942? For erecting a monument to the ideologist of Russian fascism Ilyin? Why would they nail up Lenin’s mausoleum on May 9? For Mannerheim’s plaque in Tsarskoe Selo? Where did they bashfully hide it? For a mortgage? For, “We take out loans from Sovcombank” (c)? Or is it something else?
    1. -2
      6 August 2024 08: 32
      Quote: parusnik
      Why did my grandfather die? Near Sevastopol in 1942? For erecting a monument to the ideologist of Russian fascism Ilyin? Why would they nail up Lenin’s mausoleum on May 9? For Mannerheim’s plaque in Tsarskoe Selo? Where did they bashfully hide it? For a mortgage? For, “We take out loans from Sovcombank” (c)? Or is it something else?


      The kids (and mine too) have nothing to do with this, let’s not bother them about this..

      The USSR won the war and developed until a new generation dissolved the USSR. Children do not listen to their parents and do everything their own way. Who knows, maybe the next generation will dissolve Russia.
      1. 11+
        6 August 2024 08: 50
        Let's not touch them about this..
        Well, yes... this is different, but the mockery of their memory is happening now and for many years. And if the next generation dissolves Russia, it will be thanks to the mockery of their memory today. And my grandfather, who fought on the side of the Reds during the Civil War, did not run back and forth, and for this they already mixed him with dirt, but they “forgave” him for the fact that he died in 1942 near Sevastopol. Unprecedented hypocrisy, those in power and their accomplices, will destroy our country.
        1. +3
          6 August 2024 10: 10
          Quote: parusnik
          Unprecedented hypocrisy, those in power and those who sang along with them, will destroy our country.


          The rudeness of the authorities is a consequence of the weakness of the people.
          1. +1
            6 August 2024 15: 43
            is a consequence of the weakness of the people
            Again, the people are to blame... The people have weaknesses: “People are like people. They love money, but this has always been the case... Humanity loves money, no matter what it is made of, whether leather, paper, bronze or gold. Well, they are frivolous... well, well... and mercy sometimes knocks on their hearts... in general, they resemble the old ones... the housing problem only spoiled them..." (c)
            1. -3
              6 August 2024 17: 33
              Quote: parusnik
              It's the people's fault again...


              Well, why is it immediately “guilty”... Don’t judge, lest you be judged :)

              It is the people who suffer first of all from the fact that the authorities do not take the people into account. Power itself will not be shared with someone; this is such a property of power that it is extremely rarely given up voluntarily. And if the people tolerate it, but do nothing. then he is either happy with everything or weak.

              It’s unlikely that anyone is happy with being rude to them.

              That means he's weak.

              In my opinion, it’s logical.
              1. +1
                6 August 2024 18: 40
                Judge not lest ye be judged
                That is, I condemned the people for weakness? Original.. laughing They attributed their judgment to me... laughing Well, okay, let it be buckwheat, not millet. laughing
                It is the people who suffer first of all from the fact that the authorities do not take the people into account.
                Why should the government take the people into account? Is she popular? And why isn’t respect for one’s people “a consequence of the weakness of the people?” where did you get the idea that they are weak? Patient yes, ignorant, yes, it’s natural to brainwash for 30 years, how many generations have grown up brainwashed to shine? Are you not people? Are you better than the people? Somewhere in the middle, between the elite and the people. You are waiting for the people to get stronger and cope with the anti-people power, present their victory to you, on a silver platter, and your business is your side.
                1. -1
                  7 August 2024 07: 57
                  That is, I condemned the people for weakness? Original..


                  You said “guilty”, that is, you condemned :)

                  Why should the government take the people into account? Is she popular? And why isn’t respect for one’s people “a consequence of the weakness of the people?” where did you get the idea that they are weak? Patient, yes, ignorant, yes, that’s natural


                  The government is not the people's and will never be the people's under capitalism. Ignorance, patience and trust are the weaknesses that the authorities take advantage of.

                  Quote: parusnik
                  You are waiting for the people to get stronger and cope with the anti-people power, present their victory to you on a silver platter, and your cause is on their side.


                  No, I don’t expect and I don’t hope. The people will die out and be replaced by another people. But I won’t live to see the result.
      2. -1
        6 August 2024 16: 34
        Life is a struggle between generations.
  8. +8
    6 August 2024 09: 42
    Another explanation of why everything is not going as expected... for 2.5 years now. Don't give up
    Again about Zelensky, foreign detachments, the West, etc.
  9. +4
    6 August 2024 09: 46
    Hmm, in light of what is happening in Sunzha, such articles are just a joke
  10. +5
    6 August 2024 11: 06
    voiced by General Igor Konashenkov
    Yeah, this one won't let you lie. It’s time to give him a hero - the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already buried him 5 times. Staver in his repertoire is like this because I said. Was he actually sitting in the trenches with the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
    Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
  11. +7
    6 August 2024 13: 28
    Came to war - die! No return planned for Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers

    So, isn’t this what the situation looks like for our mobilized people? And you can downvote me, but to bashfully hush up this topic means to engage in self-deception.
    1. -2
      6 August 2024 13: 55
      Quote: Modest
      So, isn’t this what the situation looks like for our mobilized people?

      Why are military registration and enlistment office workers catching people on our streets?
      1. +4
        6 August 2024 14: 08
        There is no need to distort. We are talking about our mobilized people who are already there. Or do they not count now?
        1. -2
          6 August 2024 14: 12
          Quote: Modest
          We are talking about our mobilized people who are already there.

          But even then there was no catching on the streets.
          1. +7
            6 August 2024 14: 17
            But even then there was no catching on the streets.

            Will you continue to turn on the fool? It's about returning home. For our mobilized people, this is only possible in case of serious injury or death.
    2. 0
      9 August 2024 10: 01
      An exception for prisoners who were imprisoned under heavy charges. Putin needs houses like this, he fought for six months, remained alive - free
  12. 0
    6 August 2024 13: 49
    Don't you care whose blood? It’s important to me that it be paid for with the blood of idiots who are grabbed and sent to die, and they die. More FABs, shells, missiles and other things that will destroy the enemy without wasting a drop of our guys’ blood.
  13. 0
    9 August 2024 09: 59
    There's simply nowhere to go. Russians fight for money, Ukrainians protect their families, completely different motivations. I read the comments of Russians - literally animal hatred. Every second one is in favor of killing all Ukrainians, every third one is in favor of using nuclear weapons