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Kyrgyzstan is ready to become the fourth member of the Customs Union: who will be in the black?

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Kyrgyzstan is ready to become the fourth member of the Customs Union: who will be in the black?Literally the other day, Russian news agencies published information that according to the Customs Union, in addition to Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus, by the end of this year, the fourth state of the CIS could be. And the state of this, most likely, will be the Republic of Kyrgyzstan. Sapar Isakov, head of the foreign policy department of the Kyrgyz presidential administration, said that all domestic ratification procedures were held in Bishkek on a series of bilateral relations with Russia and contacts with the Customs Union.


The confirmation of the fact that Kyrgyzstan may be admitted to the CU by the end of the year can be considered the words of the Russian ambassador in this Central Asian republic, Andrei Krutko. The ambassador, in particular, said that today official Bishkek is doing everything to prepare the Kyrgyz legislation and the economy to join the Customs Union. Krutko notes that there is a corresponding base and, most importantly, the desire of Bishkek himself for this, and therefore by the end of the year Kyrgyzstan will be finally ready for customs integration.

News that by the end of 2013, the customs troika could become a quartet due to the admission of Kyrgyzstan to the Customs Union, it suggests that the era of the so-called indiscriminate multi-vector approach by the Kyrgyz authorities is a thing of the past. Indeed, more recently, the authorities of this Central Asian state tried to use several directions in foreign policy at once. And to use it with local flavor, calling any of the partners in contact with Bishkek strategic. They will hold negotiations with Russia - Moscow is becoming a strategic partner and ally, Washington is becoming a strategic partner with the United States, and Beijing is with China. Moreover, each of the “main allies” received promises from the Kyrgyz leaders, the implementation of key trade and military-technical projects, and much more. However, after the new "main ally" of the Kyrgyz authorities loomed on the horizon, they forgot about their previous promises. True, for the Kyrgyz leaders themselves, who tried to sit on several chairs at once, this did not end well. Against the background of squall protests, Askar Akayev fled, then under the same squall he sought shelter outside Kyrgyzstan Kurmanbek Bakiyev.

Whether the new authorities of Kyrgyzstan either decided to stop in their geopolitical preferences, or started a new competitive game of the Kyrgyz, replacing one mask with another. However, we will not blame Bishkek, which is called a priori. Now it’s Russia, it seems, not from the hand, but from the hand, for example, to “strategic partners” from North America, who, after statements by the official Bishkek about their desire to be in the Customs Union, began to experience what this oriental friendship is.

In this case, we are talking about the development at the Kumtor gold mine, which is handled by the Canadian company Centerra Gold. Kyrgyz legislators, looking askance at gold production by Canadians, decided that they somehow did not pay taxes to the local treasury and, moreover, were mining in violation of environmental standards. To investigate violations committed by Centerra Gold, a special state commission was even created, which decided that Canadian gold miners caused damage to the Kyrgyz economy by 6,7 billion soms (approximately 141 million dollars). German specialists were involved in assessing the extent of environmental damage, the conclusions of which, in truth, Bishkek did not publish ...

After calculating the amount of damage, the Kyrgyz government decided to present an ultimatum to North American businessmen: either CG repays the designated “debt” or “suitcase-station-Ottawa”.

The official response from the owners of the Canadian company has not come, but so far everything suggests that Canadians are not going to repay any “penalties”, believing that all conclusions of the commission were fabricated. Well, who, gentlemen Canadians, said that it would be easy in Kyrgyzstan. It was easy when official Bishkek allowed himself to wag his tail in different directions, and now the situation has changed somewhat. Now Bishkek decided to get into the Customs Union, and the Customs Union has a short conversation with all Canadians and other North Americans there ... Once through the whole fortress of “indestructible” Kyrgyz friendship they passed, now that’s what you are called, test yourself ...

Naturally, after representatives of firms from foreign countries in Kyrgyzstan began to be under significant pressure, rumors spread that, they say, it’s all the Kremlin’s hands. They say that this is Moscow Atambaeva for the gills takes and makes him fall in love with both himself and the Customs Union. However, many people are talking about the “hand of the Kremlin” and attempts to recreate the Soviet Union, which is called in the image and likeness. Why, there we have ... Even the main admirer of the merits of Russia and the indispensable ideological defender of every Russian citizen, Mrs. Clinton at one time said that the Customs Union or the Eurasian Union is Moscow’s attempts to create a new totalitarian state, against which it (Hillary) will fight and hands and feet. However, Hillary was pushed in (it remains to hope that it is not temporary), the Customs Union is preparing for expansion, and it is naive to consider that it is Moscow that gives Atambayev some ultimatums. Today, not the circumstances to cultivate trade integration on the ultimatum soil. “If you don’t enter, we’ll turn off the gas,” this housewife’s message is far from the realities of a modern partnership.

And the pressure that western companies are talking about in Kyrgyzstan is not a Moscow hand, or even a whisper of the Russian authorities at the ear of the Kyrgyz authorities. This is a common variation of the Central Asian policy: today we want to be friends with the Customs Union, and everyone else, as they say in Kyrgyzstan, is jock ... Tomorrow, maybe we want to be friends with the union, then let's take our joke back ... But let's not talk about sad things. Friendship while Bishkek seems to want ...

And if Kyrgyzstan in the near future may be in the Customs Union, how can this affect the economy of the republic itself and the economies of the three other states? After all, today there are those experts who say that Bishkek is the only one who will turn out to be in the positive; all the rest, they say, will turn out to be in the status of locomotives of a not very advanced economy - the economy of the Republic of Kyrgyzstan.

So will Kyrgyzstan for the Customs Union be what Greece has become for the European Union? The question, to get an answer to which before Bishkek joins the CU, is difficult, but some preliminary assessments can be presented.

So, today, gross domestic product per capita in Kyrgyzstan averages around 1100 dollars per year. This is almost 5 times lower than Belarus, 10 times lower than Kazakhstan and 14-15 times lower than the Russian figures. The difference in economic indicators in terms of per capita GDP is impressive. However, over the past year, Kyrgyzstan has shown a steady growth in exports of products to the CIS countries (primarily Russia and Kazakhstan). This growth was about 20%, reaching a volume of X million Millions of 803,7. The value itself in 803,7 million dollars for assessing exports to several countries of the region at once looks quite modest, but today there are all the prerequisites for the level of trade between Kyrgyzstan and other countries of the Customs Union to grow. The reason is the truly breakthrough energy projects for Kyrgyzstan. The parliament of Kyrgyzstan passed the ratification of agreements on the construction of a cascade of the Upper Naryn hydropower stations and the Kambarata hydropower station 1. The operation of the Kambarata hydropower plant alone will cover the country's electricity needs and begin the full-fledged export of electricity to neighboring countries.

Customs preferences will affect light industry. Today, the same Russia, receiving about 88% of cotton from total Russian imports of raw cotton from Kyrgyzstan, is losing hundreds of millions of rubles to overcoming customs barriers in the form of duties. Kyrgyzstan’s entry into the CU (if there is political will) will get rid of multi-stage intermediary structures that wind up prices for various import and export goods.

Naturally, it will not do without some financial assistance in relation to Kyrgyzstan. How can it be without this? .. The main thing is that this help should not turn into help, let's say, of the Greek model, when the Kyrgyz authorities decide that instead of productive labor from their own citizens, using declarative statements about “fraternity forever”, lure others TS members sparing loans, which then will still be written off ...

In general, positive from the accession of Kyrgyzstan to the Customs Union, of course, is - both for Kyrgyzstan itself and for its three current members. However, in order for this positive not only to be on paper, painstaking joint work is necessary.

By the way, here we are discussing with you the question of how economically justified for the Russian Federation, Belarus and Kazakhstan to join the Customs Union of Kyrgyzstan. But the most interesting thing is that a certain percentage of citizens in Kyrgyzstan are confident in the desire of the mentioned troika headed by Russia to squeeze all the juices from the Kyrgyz economy and leave it to the mercy of fate. A number of Kyrgyz economic experts in Bishkek said that after Kyrgyzstan joined the CU, Russia would force trade flows with China to be blocked through new exorbitant duties. At the same time, Russia, in the opinion of the same experts, will “drive” Chinese goods to Kyrgyzstan through its Far East at prices that are favorable to them. This, they say, will have a negative impact on the well-being of Kyrgyz citizens ...

Excuse me, on what? .. Let us return for a second to the level of average per capita GDP in Kyrgyzstan: it is about 1100 dollars. If this is welfare, and if something else can have a negative effect on it, then, sorry ...

In response, Russian economic experts say that Kyrgyzstan is still holding on to the fact that every year migrant workers transfer to their country from Russia for 1,1 billion dollars - an amount that is almost 20% of the Kyrgyz state budget ... And Chinese goods here, like how, not even with ...

In general, as you can see, there are enough mutual claims. However, if these claims are not overstepped today, it is hardly possible to talk about a productive rapprochement tomorrow. After all, trade integration can be a step towards something bigger ... Yes, and it’s no secret that the Customs Union itself is a step towards something bigger. Whether we build together this “something more” is a question for us too.
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  1. Kurdalagon
    Kurdalagon 27 February 2013 07: 22
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    Fine! Still, Ukraine would have come to its senses, and you can slowly create your own regional currency zone.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 February 2013 07: 52
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      Most of the citizens of Kyrgyzstan do not care about all the claims of "experts", because they live from the principle that it will not be worse anyway.
      As for Washington’s attempts to hinder the creation of the CU, in my opinion they too caught their breath. Yes, and they politically stained themselves too much. False, if it gives some priorities, only in the short term, and then when the truth comes up, American flags begin to burn hi
      1. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 27 February 2013 09: 41
        15
        Sanya, great!
        complement you:

        a new indicator of the situation in the world has appeared - burning American flags (mean that the truth is discovered)

        )))))))))))))))))))))))

        1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 27 February 2013 21: 52
          -3
          I will correct you, this indicator existed long before your birth, and if you did not know about this before, this does not mean that they were not burned before. And by the way, be objective. Russian flags are also burned, as they say "who has eyes, let him see"
      2. Beck
        Beck 27 February 2013 10: 43
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        What doubts can be to whom it is beneficial, to whom it is not profitable?

        FAVORABLE to everyone. And the Troika and Kyrgyzstan. In the modern world of globalization and the creation of economic and territorial entities - North America, the European Union, as well as the naturally occurring China and India, ONE will not be happy. Only Eurases can successfully resist such entities economically.

        And the West, in principle, is not against the economic EurAsEC, but against the possible reconstruction of the political USSR. And that is a big difference. Do not mix these two concepts.

        Nazarbayev recently unequivocally stated, roughly the following - there are no alternatives to the Economic Association, but political independence is beyond the scope of the discussion.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 February 2013 10: 49
          +2
          Quote: Beck

          And the West, in principle, is not against the economic EurAsEC, but against the possible reconstruction of the political USSR.

          Beck, you’ll ride on the ears of the people again. Please, bring the words of Western officials on the Customs Union and the Eurasian Economic Community .......... I'm waiting wink
          1. Beck
            Beck 27 February 2013 12: 47
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Beck, you’re going around the ears of the people again. Please be so kind as to quote the words of Western officials from the Customs Union and the Eurasian Economic Community .......... railway


            Well, I can’t give out exact quotes, but I don’t have much desire to rush through sites.

            As far as I remember, in general terms. Clinton said that she would oppose the revival of education based on the principles of the USSR, but not on economic principles.

            But the Kremlin’s habits of collecting land on the principles of the USSR were. Remember how Lukashenko kicked when the Kremlin wanted to include Belarus in the Union State as a province. How many slops were poured on both sides. And Belarus eventually entered the Customs Union only on equal terms. With such a policy, starting in 2000, the Kremlin finally pushed Ukraine away from the joint development. So what? And the fact that Ukraine has almost completely turned its back on the European Union. It may be possible to persuade Ukraine, but how much work it will cost if it is not too late. And these are fraternal peoples.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 February 2013 12: 50
              +5
              Quote: Beck
              Well, I can’t give out exact quotes, but I don’t have much desire to rush through sites.

              If not, then do not write a lie !!! Because, as the truth is completely different!
              Quote: Beck
              As far as I remember, in general terms. Clinton said that she would oppose the revival of education based on the principles of the USSR, but not on economic principles.

              You remember very badly.
              Quote: Beck
              How many slops were poured on both sides. And Belarus eventually entered the Customs Union only on equal terms.

              Everything is fine.
            2. kontrol
              kontrol 28 February 2013 00: 30
              +1
              people then just no one in Ukraine asked
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 27 February 2013 13: 23
          +5
          Quote: Beck
          And the West, in principle, is not against the economic EurAsEC, but against the possible reconstruction of the political USSR. And that is a big difference. Do not mix these two concepts.

          And why is every attempt to recreate economic cooperation the Americans consider as an attempt to revive the USSR?
          Beck, you’re not broadcasting in kindergarten ...
          1. Beck
            Beck 27 February 2013 15: 22
            +7
            Quote: Flood
            And therefore, every attempt to recreate economic cooperation is considered by the Americans as an attempt to revive the USSR? Beck, you’re not broadcasting in kindergarten ...


            Of course not in kindergarten, but in the community of adults, where everyone has their own opinion. My opinion is, yours is different. That's the way it should be. With one opinion will live freshly. It’s the same as eating only semolina, everyone, from birth.

            My opinion. In Soviet times, the civilized world was not wary of nuclear weapons, but of communist ideology. It may not sound very serious right now, but in those days the West took it seriously because it was part of the CPSU program - We will destroy the whole World of violence, to the ground, and then. We are ours, we will build a new World ... Nothing will give us deliverance, neither God, nor king, nor hero. We will achieve liberation with our own hands ... And we all go, uncontrollably, and in our last Mortal Kombat Plus to this nuclear weapons.

            Now the Communists are not in power, and not those Communists, but the PRINCIPLES listed above can be the same. These principles are what the West is wary of if they begin to prevail in the CIS. And according to the statements of some on the site this still remains - Amer reptiles. Liberasty. Shit ... all to the fingernail. Dissenters to eliminate. Yes, to cover them with a basin and the like. That is, they are wary of authoritarian methods.

            And then we all live in one democracy or another and on liberal foundations - These or other civilized elections, freedom of will and expression, personal integrity and much more. We do not live in feudalism, by the will of the landowner.
        3. washi
          washi 28 February 2013 14: 53
          -2
          I agree, but. Kyrgyzstan is one of the suppliers and manufacturers of drugs.
      3. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 15: 50
        15
        From my home in the Almaty mountains to the Kyrgyz border, a couple of hours of slow drive. I visit Kyrgyzstan quite often (rest). There are also Kyrgyz relatives. On the whole, they look at unification with Kazakhstan and Russia with optimism, although they are afraid that we will "devour" them. Moreover, the Kazakhs in Kyrgyzstan actually sometimes behave like rude bai among the poor. But when the question does not concern the material side, the Kyrgyz will drink more than one bottle with a Kazakh and a Russian for the unity of our peoples.
        But in general, the Kyrgyz want to join, but only so that it does not look humiliating to them. A nation with character. Most of all, the mood of the Kyrgyz is influenced by the Russian media, in which they write "what for are these hicks to us?" Such articles act like a tub of cold water on them.
        And they have potential, and very good. In addition to natural resources and energy - tourism, agricultural and clothing industry.
        They have two troubles - raw laws and lack of modern personnel. With the first misfortune, Kazakhstan began helping them five or six years ago, sending there regularly consultants on changing legislation within the framework of bilateral intergovernmental and inter-parliamentary commissions. We will gradually bring their laws to a suitable level. But personnel hunger will need to be satisfied by thinking hard how to do it. State holding of Kazakhstan "Samryk-Kazyna" has already begun work on the purchase of their assets. After that our managers will be put there. But here again two problems arise: a) the Kyrgyz are already grumbling about the Kazakh economic expansion, b) the existing leapfrog with the owners of many important enterprises. Kyrgyz officials can easily give the enterprise to Kazakh investors, they will invest money there, establish management, and tomorrow some thread Kubanychbek Boranbayev will come and declare that the plant was given to the Kazakhs illegally, here are the documents confirming Boranbayev's correctness.
        After the "elite" was changed there several times, there is a real leapfrog with assets, incl. "nationalized". So, at first, everything will have to be corrected legally, and the population has to be convinced that the Kazakh (Russian) investors are not going to be planters. In short, it is necessary to promote. And don't forget that Russian arrogant articles are read in Bishkek too, and this affects the opinion of the establishment and the people.

        Z.Y. In addition, there are a lot of other problems - relations with the United States over the Manas base, Kyrgyz re-export of Chinese goods, investment in the infrastructure of this country, etc. But if Kazakhstan, Russia and Belarus extend Kyrgyzstan, this will greatly affect neighboring countries, including Ukraine and Uzbekistan.
        1. urganov
          urganov 28 February 2013 15: 00
          0
          Thanks for the comments. The essence is intelligible and short.
      4. biglow
        biglow 27 February 2013 17: 23
        0
        Alexander Romanov,
        late not too late and the nerves of Russia amerikosy still spoil more than once
    2. hommer
      hommer 27 February 2013 08: 56
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      I often visit Bishkek. Hard people live. The problem is not that they do not want to work, but that there is nowhere.
      But there are also enough marginalized people who are not going to work. Because of their low literacy, they easily become cannon fodder in the games of national chauvinists, which give them simple answers to complex questions.
      Repeated revolutions and redistribution of property
      really sickened people.
      My interlocutors there perfectly understand that after joining the TS, life will worsen at first (we in Kazakhstan already passed this when prices jumped to the Russian level), but there is no alternative.
      How serious and long-term are the intentions of the Kyrgyz leadership? Wait and see.
      The attitude of the people with whom I communicate is sharply negative towards the Americans and their base near Bishkek.
      The main wealth of Kyrgyzstan, in addition to gold and uranium, is water resources, with proper sharing with neighbors, they can account for the lion's share of budget revenues.
      Plus the fabulous Issyk-Kul - the tourist cluster has huge reserves.
      It is necessary not only and not so much sanctioned legislation as the execution of these laws in an unconditional order, without changing the rules of the game along the way, otherwise you will not lure any investor in Kyrgyzstan.
      1. Earthman
        Earthman 27 February 2013 10: 38
        +3
        Kyrgyzstan has long been in the WTO. Maybe on the contrary it will work out better than it is. There’s a misunderstanding with the Russian Federation, it’s the only benefit from the CU, and Belarus and Kazakhstan are not members of the WTO.
        Especially Kazakhstan is a loser, as prices rushed for everything. With gasoline, what year was the problem.
        It seems to me that, Russian politicians, having suddenly agreed to a CU (and the CU back in the early 90s, Nazarbayev suggested) decided to kill the producers of Belarus and Kazakhstan a little, and then, after joining the WTO, they would kill their economy.

        Maybe I'm not objective, but this is my opinion
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 February 2013 11: 00
          +4
          Quote: Earthman
          Kyrgyzstan has long been in the WTO. Maybe on the contrary it will work out better than it is.

          When did they join the WTO? On what terms? How many enterprises were closed after entry? Please, post the info and see how it works out wink
          Quote: Earthman
          It seems to me that, Russian politicians, having suddenly agreed to a CU (and the CU back in the early 90s, Nazarbayev suggested) decided to kill the producers of Belarus and Kazakhstan a little, and then, after joining the WTO, they would kill their economy.

          I read this sentence twice, but I didn’t see the logic.
          1. Earthman
            Earthman 28 February 2013 06: 51
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            When did they join the WTO? On what terms? How many enterprises were closed after entry? Please, post the info and see how it works out

            They have been in the WTO for a long time both as a site moderator and as an amateur publicist, you should have known this.
            ZY: Then I do not need to write a question for an answer, I beg you.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I read this sentence twice, but I didn’t see the logic.

            Read then 5 times, maybe the logic will then manifest itself from the message
        2. botur
          botur 27 February 2013 15: 09
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          Quote: Earthman
          They decided to kill the producers of Belarus and Kazakhstan a little, and then after joining the WTO they will kill their economy.


          In Belarus, the cost of gas has halved. Do you call this a kill?
          1. Earthman
            Earthman 28 February 2013 06: 55
            +2
            Quote: botur
            In Belarus, the cost of gas has halved. Do you call this a kill?

            This is good for Belarus, since the country is not fuel and energy, it also has benefits from the CU.
            And in Kazakhstan, the world's largest hydrocarbon reserves and in such a country, fuel suddenly rose 1.5 times.
            Directions in Almaty and Astana have risen in price, transportation services, too. Milk, electricity, meat went up. Try to live without them, I think you can live without gasoline, unless of course, it seems that people don’t have digestion of non-biological products
      2. kostella85
        kostella85 27 February 2013 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: hommer
        we in Kazakhstan have already passed this when prices jumped to the Russian level


        Do not compare your economy and the Kyrgyz! If they enter the union, then they will have to raise duties with China, therefore there will be nothing to eat there, therefore, first of all, they will go to earn money to you, and then to us !!! You do not have unemployed in Kazakhstan !, but we have !!! Let the standard of living be lifted, and then you are welcome !!!!
        1. hommer
          hommer 27 February 2013 12: 06
          10
          Quote: kostella85
          Do not compare your economy and the Kyrgyz!
          first of all, they will go to work to you, and then to us !!!



          On you, please.
          They are all who can, have long been on earnings both with us and with you. There is no one else to go.

          Quote: kostella85
          Let the standard of living be lifted, and then you are welcome !!!!

          If they raise the standard of living without a vehicle (which I doubt very much), then we risk losing Kyrgyzstan. Of an ally (some), at best there will be a neutral country. at worst, options from Afghanistan to one large American or Chinese base.
          It is impossible to narrow the boundaries of ethnocultural, military and economic influence,
          it is the labor, sweat and blood of many previous generations.
          All this down the drain, or what?
          You have to bear the costs, but you need to pragmatically calculate where and how to make up for them.
    3. zao74
      zao74 27 February 2013 10: 23
      0
      So it is, the ruble zone, but not official. wink
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 27 February 2013 12: 25
        +3
        This growth amounted to about 20%, reaching a volume of 803,7 million dollars. The very value of $ 803,7 million for estimating exports to several countries of the region at once looks rather modest, but today there are all the prerequisites for the level of trade between Kyrgyzstan and other countries of the Customs Union to grow.

        Well, hold on tightly to the helms, steering comrades, that in Russia, that in Kazakhstan, we WILL WORK for you. We last year only brought 2 lard with green kopecks from Russia by transfers. People don’t want Lex in 2001 with us. three-year-old with all-wheel drive stands in the limit of 13-16 thousand, we have a sieve of borders, I am silent about the corrupt ones, you can buy anything and everything, and wholesale for little money. Do you need this?
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 27 February 2013 13: 00
          +3
          Quote: tm70-71
          The people don’t want in T.S. Guys we have a 2001 Lexus with a three-wheel drive with all-wheel drive is in the range of 13-16 thousand, we have borders like a sieve, I am silent about the corrupt ones, you can buy anything and everything, and wholesale for little money. Do you need this?


          Common words !!!! I mean the same!!!!
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 27 February 2013 15: 52
            +9
            I think if we want to revive the Union, albeit on other principles, then this is great news. But for entry into the CU, certain requirements must be imposed on the country.
            1. I remember when the TS was formed we all had to agree on customs excise taxes and the shared distribution between these countries of these fees - bargaining was not a joke.
            2. Smuggling and border. I don’t know how it is now, but after the creation of the vehicle, the Russian border guards stood at the border crossing points along with our border guards. We also had to create a full-fledged infrastructure at the border, that is, it would be seriously costly. Chinese smuggling has become much less.
            3. Internal stability. All sorts of crackles only pushed the entry into the MTC.
            4. The adoption of certain regulatory documents.
            So joining the Customs Union this year is unlikely. Let them first put things in order at home, which of course will have a positive effect on Kyrgyzstan itself. Membership in the CU itself will give a huge impetus to the development of this country - any production can be opened (the CU market will allow this) + cheap labor. Already, many sewing workshops have opened in Kyrgyzstan - they sew everything you order. So I think there will be fewer migrant workers from the Kyrgyz Republic. And also I think that it is impossible to evaluate this or that country in terms of its natural resources. Issyk-Kul alone is worth what - according to the assurances of the local residents, there are more Russians resting there than Kazakhstanis. Yes, it is neither Turkey, but this is a business. And the mountains - Switzerland is resting. The animal world is very rich - snow leopard, argali, etc. .
            On the other hand, we will have additional political levers of influence on Kyrgyzstan, the same US base in Manas will no longer crawl through. The flow of drugs, I think, will also significantly decrease. At the very least, we can demand this from Kyrgyzstan, and if it is necessary to provide assistance in this regard, help with the arrangement of the border, equipment, weapons, border guards, etc. ... It will be possible to solve the problem of water, as it was during the USSR. They say in our country: “Don't ask how much land I have, ask better how much water I have.” Every year in the spring we have a flood in the south, and in summer there is a drought. Throwing investors with impunity from our countries will no longer work.
            So the entry of Kyrgyzstan into the CU is mutually beneficial.
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 15: 59
          +5
          Quote: tm70-71
          Well, hold on tightly to the helms, steering comrades, that in Russia, that in Kazakhstan, we WILL WORK for you. We only last year removed 2 lard with green kopecks from Russia by transfers.

          And Russians by private transfers from Kazakhstan send more money to Russia than transfers from Russia come to KZ))))
          In general, we will establish laws in your country, we will gradually raise your industry pointwise, and you will begin to generate money yourself.

          Z.Y. But about cars - yes ... Do not rash the Kazakhs with salt, we can only sigh about the once-cheap high-quality foreign cars (Although ... the volume of production of their car assembly plants is growing. It's buzzing.
          1. kostella85
            kostella85 27 February 2013 16: 16
            +1
            And what kind of plant in Kustanai?
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 17: 40
              +5
              In Kostanay, a few years ago, the Kostanay engine plant, which died in the 90s, was modernized and now AgroMashHolding produces a bunch of different things - mainly agricultural machinery and cars. There, six models of Korean cars SangYang, Ukrainian ZAZ "Chance" and plus this year a new jeep "Nomad" (on a Korean basis) will begin to be produced, and next year they will also start making jew's harps. Last year, this plant assembled 2500 cars, this year they are going to do three times more.
              In addition, there are car factories in Ust-Kamenogorsk (Bipek-Auto; collects Russian and Czech-German cars), in Kokshetau (Kazakhstan-engineering; Kamaz and Nefaz bus), in Semipalatinsk (SemMashZavod; tracked all-terrain vehicles), in Almaty region (Yurna ; armored vehicles "Tiger", plus some kind of company - Chinese pickups, trucks). Like someone forgot to remember, but oh well. In short, we are gradually mastering this business. People have jobs, but we get skills and technologies, and we also connect subcontractors as part of the production localization program.
              1. kostella85
                kostella85 27 February 2013 17: 56
                +3
                GOOD FELLOWS !!!! YOU +++++++++++
              2. Kasym
                Kasym 27 February 2013 19: 58
                +6
                Marek, with your permission, I will add. Chevrolet and Kia in Ust-Kamenogorsk, Hyundai "Astana Motors" (in my opinion, in Alma-Ata).
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 21: 17
                  +6
                  Yes exactly! You are right, of course. And I thought who I missed))) "Astana Motors", in my opinion, makes both cars and buses.
          2. tm70-71
            tm70-71 27 February 2013 16: 29
            +1
            I didn’t understand about the Russians with their transfers from Kazakhstan and ours from Russia, we had already killed the sewing industry (I wanted to write the industry), ours will see 1% of the turnover and everything will float away, all that remains will go into the shadows. medium-sized business, and our gorlopans will begin to fly with renewed energy: Bishkek-Astana-Moscow, give, give, give!
            1. kostella85
              kostella85 27 February 2013 16: 45
              0
              Valery, they say American jeans are being sewn there, do you think it’s left, really, no?
              1. tm70-71
                tm70-71 27 February 2013 16: 50
                +2
                It’s not a topic that they just don’t sew, our workshops are idle, there is no work, make an order will be sewn better than the Amerikosovskys will.
                1. kostella85
                  kostella85 27 February 2013 17: 15
                  +1
                  When we drove to Issyk-Kul, we bought the same ones as in our company store, and the quality will be even better!
                  1. tm70-71
                    tm70-71 27 February 2013 17: 35
                    0
                    Let's enter in T.S. the price will immediately skip 4 times.
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 17: 52
              +7
              Quote: tm70-71
              I did not understand about Russians with their translations from Kazakhstan and ours from Russia,

              In the literal sense, money transfers of private traders from Kazakhstan to Russia are greater than the volume of transfers from Russia to Kazakhstan.
              Quote: tm70-71
              , we have already killed the sewing industry

              Kazakhstan and bordering Russia are littered with Kyrgyz clothes both under their labels and under Turkish and Italian))))
              And in general, I cannot understand you - you are so masochistically reveling in the current state of Kyrgyzstan ... You are offered to help, and you personally answered: “Nooooo, we don’t need to help us. We are in shit and this is nraaaaavizzzaaa for us”. Do you think that your country (you are a citizen of Kyrgyzstan?) Is better off completely falling apart? Will it not be beneficial for Kyrgyzstan to import its products duty-free to Kazakhstan, Russia and Belarus? Or, with the opening of this border, do you expect that Kazakhs and Russians will overwhelm you with clothes?)))) Let's work together - we will invest you, managers, grain, fuel. You give us tobacco, fruits, jeans, etc. We need to merge our economies into a single system in order to use the competitive advantage to the maximum, to load the Kyrgyz people with work, so that the Kubanychbeks are well fed, and the Kazakh Myrkymbai and Russian Vanya do not worry about drugs and illegal migration.
              1. marshes
                marshes 27 February 2013 18: 07
                +3
                Quote: Marek Rozny
                we are your investment managers

                Marek at the expense of executives got excited smile they like to hold rallies and figs you will figure out who is good at doing business, in the spring it will be clear how the WINTER will end. smile
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 21: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: marshes
                  how WINTER will end

                  smiled))))
                  1. tm70-71
                    tm70-71 28 February 2013 12: 48
                    +1
                    Me too, sick enough everywhere
              2. tm70-71
                tm70-71 27 February 2013 20: 21
                +4
                I don’t get drunk, it’s a shame for me for the country, cheese is free only in a mousetrap, it won’t work out as you write, a priori all the raw materials come from China, sewing only on the spot, we’ll enter all the customs clearance will go up at times, there’s no point in sewing, and they’ll go ours is for you and Russia, and you need it, I don’t, we have all the bright heads in America and Europe left, the people are dead, then such crap will begin, figs you there with any amendments to the CSTO , let everything remain in its place for now - the people are not ready for this, have not matured.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 21: 37
                  +7
                  Do not worry. All the same, the fabric will be imported to you. And you will still export clothes to us. Who will compete in the KZ and the Russian Federation? We are not particularly engaged in the sewing industry - only what is needed for the army, and several small enterprises. I do not think that it will be more profitable to produce clothes with us than with you. In addition, you are now paying customs clearance when you import goods into the vehicle. And after entry, this barrier will disappear. Or maybe you yourself will begin to produce some kind of fabric and accessories.

                  And the government sometimes needs to be tougher with the people. No populism. Do you remember how in the 90s Kazakhstan was accused of tough reforms, shock therapy, while Kyrgyzstan, on the contrary, was praised for soft reforms, enlightened democracy? What turned out to be better - to submit to the "dictator" Nazarbayev and roll up your sleeves, or to engage in chatter about an "immature society"? If sometimes people are not kicked in the ass - they will always be "not ripe". Otherwise, as “Russian intelligentsia”, they would also talk about the ways of the nation, about a special perception of the world instead of working.
                  Do you have a President? Gave him the right to make decisions? Do what you signed up for. And then they themselves were worn out and their power was flooded with rallies and verbiage, not allowing them to work normally. Tighten your belts, you won't have seven fat years now. You cannot build an economy and infrastructure in one year. This is a process for decades. And the sooner your government says to the people: "Basta! Do not interfere with work, let us at least put the legislation in order," the sooner the recovery of Kyrgyzstan will begin. And it is naive to demand the achievement of everything and everyone in one year.
              3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
                NOBODY EXCEPT US 27 February 2013 22: 00
                0
                Do not tell me where the Russians work for you there so much dough is being chopped, maybe I will come too .....
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 28 February 2013 10: 59
                  +4
                  and what to ernichat? take and compare the data on the remittances of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan.
            3. sq
              sq 28 February 2013 00: 53
              +2
              We, too, moaned "businessmen" before joining the CU, the prices were lowered oh-oh, and now they are silent in a rag and work.
    4. werewolf
      werewolf 27 February 2013 15: 13
      +1
      WELL VERY LONG THINK!
    5. amaton
      amaton 29 October 2013 12: 03
      0
      Yeah, at first we will learn to read and count ... we don’t understand one thing at all; there’s some kind of degradation of the nation; when my friends and I discussed this issue (I’m 34), it turned out that I was the only one to read the agreement with the EU + additions to it. No one else read it and moreover did not consider the numbers of additions - that is, the price of entry. Everyone thinks that honey is spread there, but hell .. we only need them as a market for all shit ... and even when politicians use the concept of the EU market size, they don’t understand that this market is not for us. Europe in add. agreements your market is 100% protected from Ukrainian goods, but we are not ... Welcome to the ass ...

      PS Ready to give links to the proof

      first I give a link to the draft agreement
      http://comeuroint.rada.gov.ua/komevroint/doccatalog/document?id=56219
      I recommend to read everything ...
  2. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 27 February 2013 07: 52
    +4
    We have many in Issyk-Kul driven by cars, they say places are awesome there. If they enter, there will be fewer travel barriers. From the point of view of the economy, the country is so-so, the Russian-speakers have moved out, the factories have risen, live in trade. There are reserves of gold and uranium.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 27 February 2013 08: 24
      +2
      Quote: Nagaibak
      There are reserves of gold and uranium.



      The uranium we have with the Kazakhs 100000 years in advance !!!!!
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 27 February 2013 08: 54
        0
        And what ... they will sell at the balance on the highway. To have little ... must be able to use.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 27 February 2013 09: 00
          0
          Strashila "And what ... on weights on the track will be sold. Have little ... you need to be able to use."
          And who said that they will use it. Hehe ... a joke ... although in every joke ...
      2. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 27 February 2013 09: 03
        0
        kostella85 "We have Uranus with Kazakhs for 100000 years ahead !!!!!"
        Have you forgotten about Tajikistan? And there they say it is simply not measured.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 27 February 2013 11: 34
          0
          Well, let them and wash it there in their hometown in Tajikistan, only on a cue is it to them ??? laughing
    2. воронов
      воронов 27 February 2013 09: 52
      +3
      You were there? In terms of graciousness, the Kyrgyz traffic police are in many ways superior to the Russian and Kazakh traffic police, if people break there they will take even more
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 03
        +4
        Our gayts gradually turn into civilized. And the Kyrgyz gayts - a parable of the town))))))))) As they see a car with Russian or Kazakh numbers - an extortionate circus begins. This is all from poverty. Go through it.
    3. tm70-71
      tm70-71 27 February 2013 12: 30
      +1
      Yeah, at the same time, they fucked up everything, but they don’t like your Kazakhs, well, they don’t like everything, last year the guy was banged for several hundred soms, and when the cops took them, they put the whole village on their ears, blocked the road, I don’t know - Are they already sitting down or already in the wild. Do you need this?
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 05
        +2
        I myself am often in Kyrgyzstan. For one killed Kazakh in a cafe, there are tens of thousands of cases of cordial communication between Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. Even your gayts cause me more irony than hatred))) They know how to extort money in a simple way))))
        1. tm70-71
          tm70-71 27 February 2013 16: 31
          0
          Our gayts compared to your-children.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 17: 55
            +3
            Our guys try not to touch your drivers at all))) There is no money, but the ambition of the "khans' eaters" is above the roof)))) But your road policemen stand along the entire road and are only doing the fact that Kazakh numbers are looking out))))
            1. kostella85
              kostella85 27 February 2013 18: 01
              +1
              Marek, I'm sorry for Kustanay - I’m used to it in the old way !!! smile Our POLICE, your timber trucks are also very fond !!! laughing
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 18: 25
                +4
                Well, I sometimes call St. Petersburg Leningrad out of habit) So what about Kostanai-Kustanai - speak as you are more used to) I myself am writing "Kyrgyz" and "Kyrgyz"))))
                By the way, Kazakhs in the border regions of Russia bought a bunch of hectares of forest. We cannot cut forests. So you have to buy your forest. We like to remind that in Kazakhstan forests make up only 4% of the entire territory of the country. Horror! And then you remember that these 4% of the territory is more than all the forests of Belarus)))) Well, oh well)
                And I don’t know about timber trucks, but they don’t seem to get to the Kazakh passenger cars very much. It is rare that Kazakhs have claims against your gay men.
                1. kostella85
                  kostella85 27 February 2013 18: 42
                  +1
                  At one time, they bought a car from you for a citizen KZ, drove here, then everything came to naught - the prices were approximately equal, only for spare parts right now ........
            2. marshes
              marshes 27 February 2013 18: 13
              +4
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Our gayts your drove try not to touch at all)))

              Now we have started quite a lot of our cars with their license plates.
              Although the prices of many cars that they sell in Bishkek are encouraging, they are much younger than seven years old, but they raised prices.
              The Lexus RX-300 of 2001 could be bought from us five years ago for $ 13-17 thousand. Padzheriki were in the same category.
              Lexus and Toyota damn tenacious. smile
            3. tm70-71
              tm70-71 27 February 2013 19: 47
              +1
              There is no such thing for 3 years already, yours, there is an instruction from the top not to stop or inspect at all, so this year yours are generally driven to Issyk-Kul under 100, but your only mats will see our blue and begin to stick, but about our cars like this in general, the words nat, drove along the Kurdai in a column, the gay people stop and say, 2000 tenge, or turn to your "trash bin" - this is about our Republic, we just gave him a rod in there ... we think, tagda n .... we have something to do with you, they fenced us with a thorn like we live in a zoo, this is a separate topic about your investors, after April 10, they closed the border for 3 months, people could not enter, not to leave (and all transit goes through you), our prices for everything have jumped 3 times. It's better than guys that we are somehow there without you and your TS. IMHO who offended, it's already boiling
        2. воронов
          воронов 27 February 2013 16: 57
          +2
          Of course, there is no confrontation between Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, and there is no enmity, as between the Kyrgyz and Uzbeks of the Osh region of Kyrgyzstan, but Kazakhs have always treated the Kyrgyz with irony, i.e. Kazakhs consider themselves to be much more civilized and cultured than the Kyrgyz, although historically the Kyrgyz as a people are much more ancient than the Kazakhs, incl. and culturally, these are two different peoples, Kyrgyz-Mongoloids, Kazakh-Turks, although at present the languages ​​of these peoples are in many respects similar. The Kyrgyz came to the territory of modern Kyrgyzstan, or as now Kyrgyzstan in the third half of the 18th century, from the upper reaches of the Yenisei. Until the 20s of the 20th century, there was no mention of the "Kazakh" as a people, all the tribes of nomads who roamed the territory of modern Kazakhstan, the north of Uzbekistan were called Kirghiz-Kaisaks, the Kirghiz were called Kara-Kirgiz, Kara (translated from Turkic means black )
          1. tm70-71
            tm70-71 27 February 2013 17: 38
            +2
            It’s a hefty plus for me, that’s how it is, the Kazakhs have an interest in us, the hens don’t bribe money among the Kazakhs, they’ll buy up everything and everything, just open our borders to them.
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 18: 29
              +6
              why buy everything at the root? it is better to create a joint venture with equal shares (or in your slightly larger direction). and also invite Kazakh managers in order to raise enterprises.
              Kazakhstan does not care about the profit that can be obtained from Kyrgyzstan. It is important for us that you yourself start earning enough so as not to impair security in the region. This is much more important for us than the extra penny from the Kyrgyz factory, which will set up the Kyrgyz against neighbors.
            2. Kasym
              Kasym 27 February 2013 18: 57
              +4
              Hello Valery (tm 70-71)! We have a slightly different view of this problem. What difference does it make who is the owner, the main thing is that taxes are paid regularly. And foreign investors, after investing their money, are afraid, unlike local ones (who somehow find a loophole), to use gray schemes - they will expel all cases from the country. In addition, Nazarbayev initiated the creation of a type of Council of Foreign Investors (once a year it brings together the largest investors). And there he sets tasks for them - you earn in Kazakhstan, so let's invest. And sometimes these tasks have nothing to do with the type of activity of the investor's company. For example, the oil company Chevron has built a plant for the production of plastic pipes. Well, etc., etc. ... Best regards, Dauren.
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 18: 01
            +5
            Kazakhs and Kyrgyz love each other to pin up)))) and in general, despite the fact that genetically we have slightly different roots, in cultural terms, we are soooooo close to each other. As we say "Cossack, Kyrgyz - Bir Tugan" (like "Kazakh and Kyrgyz - one breed"). The Kazakhs tease the Kyrgyz because they pull sounds and love the letter "h", and the Kyrgyz call us "manka", because we have sonorous sounds in our language. At the same time, the Kazakh of the Kyrgyz understands even without straining.

            Z.Y. Joke. Kazakh meets a Kyrgyz woman in Issyk-Kul:
            - Sis, what's your name?
            - Cholpon.
            - Cholpon? And in Kazakh it turns Sholpan!
            - What Kochmar, what Kochmaaaar ...
            1. tm70-71
              tm70-71 27 February 2013 19: 17
              +1
              Yesterday we watched on our TV, as Kazakh investors "raised from their knees" by Kazakh investors, but to hell with this plant, why the heck keep people for livestock?
          3. Beck
            Beck 27 February 2013 19: 53
            +7
            Quote: voronov
            .Although historically, the Kyrgyz as a people are much older than the Kazakhs, incl. and culturally, these are two different peoples, Kyrgyz-Mongoloids, Kazakhs-Turks, although at present the languages ​​of these peoples are in many ways similar. The Kyrgyz came to the territory of modern Kyrgyzstan, or, as now Kyrgyzstan, in the third half of the 18th century, from the upper reaches of the Yenisei. Until the 20s of the 20th century, the mention of "Kazakh" as a people did not exist, all the tribes of nomads who roamed on the territory of modern Kazakhstan, the north of Uzbekistan were called Kirghiz-Kaisaks, the Kirghiz were called Kara-Kirgiz, Kara (translated from Turkic means black )


            Yeah. A complete set of mixed salad with vinaigrette mixed on the basis of superficial knowledge. I already wrote on the site in detail. Therefore, I will not go deep now. I’ll say it all.

            And the Kyrgyz and Kazakhs are different peoples, but of the same ethnic group of Turkic peoples. Just like Ukrainians and Russians belong to the Slavs. The Kazakh people began to take shape from the middle of the 15th century. (The French nation of the Celts, Gauls, Romans began to take shape in the 10th century, so that not far). Take shape with the Sultans of Janibek and Giray. And since that time, we have always called ourselves Cossacks - Biz ҚazaҚ - we are Cossacks. The tsarist administration began to call us Kirghiz Kaisaks, Kirghiz and others. In order to somehow distinguish between the documentation of the Russian Cossack estate and the Cossacks of the steppe. This is what confusion would be in the workflow. In 1924, with the formation of autonomy, now the Soviet government, in order not to confuse us with the Russian Cossacks and true Kirghiz, replaced our last letter Х with X. This is still the case with KazaKh. But even now, if the Kazakh is asked in Kazakh - who are you, he will answer - Men ҚазаҚ - I am Kazakh.

            And about the fact that the Kazakhs are down to the Kyrgyz, this is your personal bust. Everything happens in everyday life. And the Kyrgyz may consider the Kazakh to be inferior, but this is everyday life and personal relations. On the whole, we consider each other as fraternal, kindred peoples.

            And you do not draw a line between us, which was carried out by the cheers-patriots between the Russian and Ukrainian peoples. Nothing to it. Interethnic enmity feed. You really need it ???
  3. Humpty
    Humpty 27 February 2013 07: 59
    17
    The backbone of the Kyrgyz economy is the Kumtor mine, explored like everything else under the Union and being developed by a Canadian firm, guest workers are making even more contribution.
    Such indiscriminate Nazism, which is now happening in Kyrgyzstan, did not exist either under Bakiyev or under Akaev. The Russian media are "modestly" silent about this.
    A number of deputies are trying to disrupt major contracts with Russia. The Americans strongly support Kyrgyz Nazism. The Kyrgyz press openly sows ethnic hatred and no one is held accountable for this.
    The level of corruption of Russian officials against the background of Kyrgyzstan is not impressive.
    Now about how large foreign investment in production works. The mechanism is worked out to the smallest detail. An investor is attracted, bribes are squeezed out of it, after investments are made in production,
    Under false pretexts, the work of the enterprise is blocked and, ultimately, the investor is driven out with great losses for himself.
    An important role is played by the "local community", which comes and burns, for example, a Russian geological settlement. Sometimes this happens under the watchful eye of the police.
    "We (Kyrgyz) will be ruled by blue-eyed, pig-eyed." Taken from a translation of the Kyrgyz press.
    Russia is still changing with them.
    1. Son
      Son 27 February 2013 08: 36
      +8
      Also in Ukraine ... None of the deputies or oligarchs of local bottling will allow restrictions and control over themselves ...
      1. Eugene
        Eugene 27 February 2013 09: 09
        +4
        Ukraine is generally astounding. 20 years of running in the opposite direction. Away from civilization!
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 08
      +7
      Humpty, for some reason it definitely seems to me that you are the hotbed of nationalism in Kyrgyzstan, not the Americans or the Kyrgyz press. What are you doing there with such prejudice against the locals? You have no post about Kyrgyzstan, so everywhere you mix them with shit.
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 27 February 2013 16: 38
        +2
        Everyone sins with this. lol Humpty D brought you a repost from one of our newspapers, Our people need to be distracted by something, that’s all rubbish being printed. It’s certainly not for us to make a decision, to be in TS or not, but to me and my relatives and friends and without TS ok. Let’s enter our people will become even poorer. I would not like this
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 27 February 2013 08: 14
    +7
    Yes, a couple of such friends ... and enemies do not need. You do not need to turn the vehicle into a passage yard. Drugs are already rushing ... but here they want to make a green corridor. What really does our government believe that such hard workers are gastric? Illegal migration in conjunction with gastrik-streibreikher became an excellent component for laundering criminal money ... big money.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 27 February 2013 11: 40
      0
      Strashila is absolutely right, this is a huge privilege to join the TS, and this right must be earned !!!!

      Here's how they will prove that they can be trusted, they will show economic growth, a decrease in crime (including drug trafficking), and the presidents will finalize before the deadline, then - PLEASURES PLEASE !!!

      And such statements: “if we don’t take it, others will take it” - smell like prostitution !!!!
      1. Beck
        Beck 27 February 2013 12: 57
        +6
        Quote: kostella85
        Here's how they will prove that they can be trusted, they will show economic growth, a decrease in crime (including drug trafficking), and the presidents will finalize before the deadline, then - PLEASURES PLEASE !!!


        Now, if this is the case, then the EurAsEC will never build, while we wait until Kyrgyzstan does it, then it will spit on everything and go either to China or invite the West. What will we do then? If we want a strong EurAsEC, then we must help, at first, to get on our feet. Economic growth rises only when there is trade. This is what they are doing first of all in the EurAsEC.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 27 February 2013 13: 23
          0
          What can I buy from the Kyrgyz Republic, besides cotton and used wheelbarrows?
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 13
            +6
            Allies must be supported, even when they are in the anus. And do not act like a weather vane.
          2. tm70-71
            tm70-71 27 February 2013 19: 59
            +3
            We have EVERYTHING, the entire periodic table, Kyrgyzstan is in the top ten countries in terms of gold reserves, and we have more and more of them, and most importantly, these are water resources, there will be even more pain than in Kazakhstan, there is no normal leader with the team
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 11
      +6
      Scared, there is a choice. Or to hammer on the development of Kyrgyzstan and let it turn into Afghanistan, which will then inevitably affect us. Or help him get out of the pit and thereby protect himself from the crowds of refugees, criminals and drugs.
      By the way, when they talk about the flow of drugs, for some reason they don’t remember about another stream of drugs - synthetic rubbish, which in transit from Europe through Russia enters Kazakhstan.
  5. Trailer
    Trailer 27 February 2013 08: 18
    +9
    Humpty, Kyrgyz "zhok" - if anything, "NO!" our way. It's good that they join. But, the fact that they will have to be fed - do not go to the fortuneteller here!
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 27 February 2013 08: 22
      +1
      \ [quote = Karavan] But, the fact that they will have to be fed - do not go to a fortuneteller!
      And the fact that the entry of Kyrgyzstan is good, at this stage of economic development, I’m not so sure !!!
      It is like Greece with Spain and Italy combined for the EU!
    2. tm70-71
      tm70-71 27 February 2013 12: 34
      +4
      We can still teach you all kinds of revolutions, we can do it, but seriously for 20 years of anarchy, people have passed on the board, laws have not been written to us at all, if our jendes in kinesh stumble somewhere, people will tear them like a tusik heating pad, here to the fortuneteller no need to go
    3. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 18
      +3
      First you have to feed them - yes. But if we work with our heads, then the expenses will later be justified.
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 27 February 2013 16: 59
        +3
        Everyone feeds us already, our people like that soldier from a bad commander, then left and right, they got everything already, we don’t have normal managers, some small bais, with the manners of kings, now, hello T.S.
  6. kostella85
    kostella85 27 February 2013 08: 18
    +3
    But I’m not at all sure that we need Kyrgyzstan in this form in the CU! There is no economy at all, but the gastrikas will rush !!!! On Issyk-Kul is awesome, no doubt, I myself went in 2009 and very cheap !!! Well, in order to go there, the customs union is not needed !!!!
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 21
      +7
      That's about the same thing Comrade Clinton tells us to be unreasonable. Like, you don’t need to unite, live on your own. Two years ago, the Latvian delegation tried to convince the Kazakh government in Astana that the Kazakhs did not need to unite in an economic union with Russia. Everything is fine with you, they say, and an alliance with the CIS countries is a revival of the Evil Empire ... laughing
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 9 August 2013 16: 41
        +3
        I agree with Clinton on this issue.
  7. CCA
    CCA 27 February 2013 08: 38
    12
    The Customs Union is a step towards something more
    I would say this ... The expansion of the Customs Union is steps to something more ... And now, the entry of Kyrgyzstan should not be considered from an economic point of view, but from a geopolitical and natural-geological one ... And this should be welcomed and supported, not paying attention to the Western liberal mongrels, to the barking, which the caravan pays attention to less and less ...
  8. Renat
    Renat 27 February 2013 08: 47
    +1
    The union is being restored. Do not forget that Kyrgyzstan is a difficult country. Bishkek, of course, is the capital, but beyond the pass there is still Osh. everything seems to have started from there, which has led to unrest throughout the country.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 27 February 2013 11: 16
      +1
      So that's the point, let them deal with internal affairs! It’s not necessary right away in the TS, for starters you can give observer status, do some conferences, and then after 10 years and full membership ......
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 23
        +4
        with this logic, Costella, there was no need to climb into the Georgian-Ossetian conflict. Like, let them figure it out. Kyrgyz need help. And even if Russia does not have a hand in this, then the Kazakhs will do it without Moscow. We don’t need a cesspool two hours drive from Almaty.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 27 February 2013 17: 19
          0
          Maybe Marik, you're right, only who will sign the contract? They have a leadership there once a week!
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 18: 31
            +3
            well, in our history there have also been many cases when khans changed every year. right now they will play enough and calm down. these are Türks - they quickly start up and quickly cool down.
  9. wolf1945
    wolf1945 27 February 2013 08: 55
    +1
    wants to become! hi
  10. pinecone
    pinecone 27 February 2013 08: 59
    -2
    Isn't this whole idea a project for the creation of "Great Khazaria"?
  11. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 27 February 2013 09: 37
    +1
    We are recovering slowly ... :) Well ... VERY EASIER !!!!!! :) :) :) We need to make uniform passports and currency.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 27 February 2013 11: 22
      +3
      Are there very few Gastriks from Kyrgyzstan, are you short? There is one currency with the Kazakhs - no questions! With Belarus, we generally have a single state-in! But to do with the Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks a single passport - definitely not !!!
      And to introduce a visa regime with these countries UNDERSTANDINGLY YES !!!

      PS Nothing personal, I didn’t want to offend anyone, we just have our unemployed to x er !!!
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 24
        +6
        We will help them establish the economy - they will work at home, and not irritate the Russians. And if they are bent, then the shaft of illegal immigrants will triple.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 27 February 2013 16: 58
          +6
          Hi Marek, nice to see you! +! Kyrgyzstan is our closest neighbor and brother. All the same, we will be closer and aware of the state of affairs in the Kyrgyz Republic. It is necessary to help, there are no other options. Regards, Dauren.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 18: 04
            +6
            My respect, Dauren) Kyrgyz should be pulled out in any case. Even if they refuse to enter the vehicle.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 27 February 2013 18: 39
              +5
              I have the same opinion.
  12. Predator-74
    Predator-74 27 February 2013 09: 49
    +1
    Ukraine in the Customs Union probably would have looked better. At least we have a similar mentality.
    We need solid investment guarantees and serious control over the leadership of this country.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 27 February 2013 11: 25
      +3
      Quote: Predator-74
      Ukraine in the Customs Union probably would have looked better.


      And cooperation with Ukrainian enterprises is developed !!!!

      Ukraine in the TS !!!
  13. Apollo
    Apollo 27 February 2013 10: 27
    +7
    My answer to the title and substance of the content of the article will be as follows - of course, both parties, both Russia and Kyrgyzstan, will benefit.
    Alex, if you don’t mind, I’ll supplement your article with such an info,
    Where did the Yankees have Kyrgyz sadness?

    Watching Washington’s maneuvers around the Transit Center at the Kyrgyz Manas Airport, don’t stop marvel at the annoyance of the Americans. It would seem - back in January of this year. President Almazbek Atambayev clearly explained who visited Bishkek, US Under Secretary of State for Central Asia R. Blake, that after the expiration of the term of the agreement on the deployment of the US military in July 2014 in July, "there should not be a military component" at this airport. However, for a month now, American guest performers of various levels have been performing a song in the capital of Kyrgyzstan The “extreme profitability” of finding the TSC on the territory of the country and the “inevitable sad consequences of its elimination” ...
    About three years ago, during the collapse of the Bakiyev regime, I wrote that there is a direct link between the activities of coalition forces in Afghanistan, threats to destabilize the situation in Kyrgyzstan and the activity of the international drug mafia in the region. Even then it was clear that US government and nongovernmental institutions are fulfilling a political order from supranational clans to ensure the smooth operation of the Afghan heroin supply chain to the international drug market. Manas Airport plays almost a key role in this network. It is known that neither a passport and customs control system exists at the US military base at Bagram Kabul airport, nor in Manas, not to mention the declaration of cargo transported by the US Air Force. American military bases have long been a completely opaque network, created including for the implementation of the smuggling of weapons, drugs and explosives to hot spots around the world. Therefore, it is obvious that the beneficiaries of the drug trade will try to do everything so that the withdrawal of the main NATO contingent from Afghanistan in 2014 does not jeopardize the functioning of this criminal scheme.
    Emissaries from the United States in negotiations with the Kyrgyz leadership emphasize that the issue of central heating is central to the agenda of Kyrgyz-American relations and their future depends on its resolution. At the same time, in words, Washington demonstrates a touching concern for the economic development of Kyrgyzstan.
    The American argument about some "colossal losses" for the republican budget from the severance of economic ties with the United States in the event of the elimination of the heat supply centers seems at least not serious. The volume of Kyrgyz-American trade is not more than 250 million dollars per year (about 3% of the total foreign trade turnover of the republic). There are no significant economic projects involving American capital in Kyrgyzstan (not to consider consulting an unknown American firm on a privatization scheme for the entire Manas airport economy).
    Against this background, the dynamics of Russian-Kyrgyz economic cooperation looks particularly contrasted. This week, President Atambayev signed earlier ratified agreements between Russia and Kyrgyzstan on the construction and operation of the Upper Naryn Cascade and the Kambar-Ata Hydroelectric Power Station, in a package with which a Russian loan of about 4 billion dollars is provided. Earlier, Moscow decided to write off the half-billion debt of Kyrgyzstan. One of the main sources of well-being for Kyrgyz families is 700 of thousands of citizens of this country working in Russia who transfer up to 1 of a billion dollars a year to their homeland.

    to be continued
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 27 February 2013 10: 28
      +4
      end

      Due to the absolute futility of pressure on the Kyrgyz leadership on the economic track, from the beginning of the year, the United States began to resort to informational impact. With enviable regularity, articles began to appear in the Kyrgyz press and at various specialized venues that a surge of violence and other innumerable disasters awaited Central Asia after the withdrawal of occupying forces from Afghanistan. Of course, the established mechanisms of counter-terrorism cooperation within the framework of the SCO and the CSTO, the interest of all participants in these multilateral structures in the stability of the region will ensure the timely neutralization of potential threats. At the same time, Bishkek should not weaken vigilance, including considering active work of Americans among the Uzbek minority in Kyrgyzstan.
      The authority of President A. Atambayev in the country is very high. The overwhelming majority of fellow citizens agree with his decision to withdraw the central heating center from the territory of the republic. The head of state’s course towards the integration of Kyrgyzstan into the Customs Union and the Eurasian Economic Space also enjoys unconditional support. Bishkek signed documents on collective defense within the framework of the CSTO and the deployment of the “United Russian military base” in the republic after 2017.
      In these conditions, Americans seem to include a proven problem-solving mechanism. The activation of the US-controlled Association for Democracy and Civil Society, which unites up to 70% of all non-governmental organizations in Kyrgyzstan, is noticeable. Special attention is paid to the Republican NGO O. Babanova, who is gaining influence among Kyrgyz youth who have received foreign education. Nagotova USAID, Peace Corps, Mercy Corp. International, Open Society Foundations (Soros Foundation), Eurasia Foundation, Save the Children Federation Inc. and other experienced fighters.
      I am sure that President A. Atambayev has already made his historic choice, giving Kyrgyzstan a chance to take its rightful place on the political map of Eurasia.

      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/168625-otkuda-u-yanki-kirgizskaya-grust
      .html
  14. воронов
    воронов 27 February 2013 10: 29
    +4
    Russia is getting on its feet and "friends and brothers" again reached out to it, that is, freeloaders, and if hard times come, then all this shobla will fly off from it like seeds from an overripe sunflower, they will sell and betray, they are not in the first
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 27
      +5
      And it was not by chance that Russia escaped from the USSR before the Kyrgyz? Are you confusing anything? They are generally the very last to leave the Union.
      1. воронов
        воронов 27 February 2013 17: 22
        -1
        Such so-called. "independent states" like Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan are not viable, they have no prospects of independent, independent existence in the modern world, historically their time has passed, sooner or later they will become satellites, or completely dependent on the states of the mighty of this world. Want to live together with Russia ? Join, but on the rights of regions, or the edges of the Russian Federation and no more, and no union republics, autonomies and special status for you, we have already passed all this, the entire population to take Russian citizenship, who do not want to deport, so that there is no precedent of the 5th column and live according to Russian laws
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 27 February 2013 17: 35
          0
          Quote: voronov
          .Want to live with Russia? Join, but on the rights of regions, or territories of the Russian Federation


          But do we need them, are there a few of their own painters?

          Let them join Kazakhstan !!!! laughing (joke)
          1. воронов
            воронов 27 February 2013 17: 57
            -3
            Once Russia needs to collect its territories soldier
            1. Beck
              Beck 27 February 2013 20: 12
              +5
              Quote: voronov
              Once Russia needs to collect its territories


              Oh well. It is interesting to listen further. Please enlighten what such territories Russia has lost, outside the borders of the RSFSR itself?

              Or do you confuse the modern era with the era of colonialism of the former imperial possessions of England, Portugal, Spain, Russia. According to your logic, India and Australia may be returned back to the jurisdiction of England. And Mexico with Venezuela Spain.

              And I beg you to explain to all the site people what land you were going to collect?
              1. kostella85
                kostella85 27 February 2013 21: 12
                +1
                Quote: Beck
                And I beg you to explain to all the site people what land you were going to collect?

                vronov probably meant California, Alaska, Port Arthur - you can also, Hokkaido - you can also "soboat" !!!!! laughing
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 28 February 2013 11: 00
                  +4
                  And if we also remember Miklouho-Maclay, then the Papua land can be called "primordially Russian".
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 18: 34
            +7
            Quote: kostella85
            Let them join Kazakhstan !!!! laughing (joke)

            A union-confederate state is still possible. But it is impossible to completely annex Kyrgyzstan as an ordinary Kazakh region. We with the Kyrgyz will thump for a week for unity, and then for a month we will extinguish "the national liberation movement of the Kyrgyz people against the Kazakh occupiers"))))))
            1. tm70-71
              tm70-71 27 February 2013 19: 32
              +2
              Yeah, I agree, our vodka, your snack, only more, I have almost 5 Lyamov relatives
        2. tm70-71
          tm70-71 27 February 2013 19: 29
          +2
          No, Mr. Vornov (I don’t know what letter to put emphasis on) -The East is a delicate matter. 20 years we lived at the very least, But in general we have an interesting 2 revolution; but come.
          1. Earthman
            Earthman 28 February 2013 07: 10
            +2
            Quote: tm70-71
            No, Mr. Vornov (I don’t know what letter to put emphasis on) -The East is a delicate matter. 20 years we lived at the very least, But in general we have an interesting 2 revolution; but come.

            I agree with you. Kyrgyzstan now lacks a sustainable, authoritative, and visionary leader
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 28 February 2013 11: 06
            +3
            Quote: tm70-71
            but no dad, somewhere but come.

            Looking at Kyrgyzstan, one recalls in this regard the words of one simple mullah during the civil war: "Soviet power is good, but there will be no order without the tsar-father" ...
  15. maximus_1974
    maximus_1974 27 February 2013 11: 55
    +2
    Like it or not, but we probably need them than we do, we have different tasks: we are a power, they are a small republic, and whoever pays it and dances.
  16. silver_roman
    silver_roman 27 February 2013 12: 05
    +5
    I’ll add one more plus rather than minus from joining the Customs Union of Kyrgyzstan. if she joins the CU, then we can talk about the accession of Tajikistan. Until now, if my memory serves me right, the Tajiks really wanted this, but the principles of the Customs Union did not allow it. The principles consist in a single territorial border and the integrity of the CU, which was hindered by Kyrgyzstan - not a member of the CU until recently. Now this problem will be solved and soon the four can turn into the five members of the CU.
    And besides, we need to take them "under our wing", tk. The West's strategy of focusing on Asia is a bit worrisome. So the Mirians want to poke the bases. By the way, I would still like to persuade the Uzbeks, but everything is much more complicated there ...
    Of course, it will not be easy to drag "these young democracies" on the back, but what else is there to do ??? As it used to be written somewhere wassat : "Russia does not create the USSR, but it simply regains parts of its body: a leg, an arm, and somewhere the appendix!"
    God grant everything will turn out in the best way!
    1. Beck
      Beck 27 February 2013 13: 08
      +5
      Quote: silver_roman
      As it was once written somewhere: "Russia does not create the USSR, but it simply regains parts of its body: a leg, an arm, and somewhere the appendix!"


      Now, if at some sort of CIS summit the Russian leadership says such words, then no one will want to think in the EurAsEC and Belarus and Kazakhstan. This imperial thinking is to return. Only a new education, on new equal principles. And nobody wants to be someone’s foot, hand or something else in the modern era.
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 27 February 2013 13: 15
        +2
        Quote: Beck
        And nobody wants to be someone’s foot, hand or something else in the modern era.


        And why do it !!! Our 3 states decided to live in a single economic zone - excellent !!! In the political and military spheres, too, there is no confrontation !!!! Kazakhstan still closely cooperates with the Turks - and let it go !!!!

        Collaboration should be mutually beneficial !!!!

        Мы BROTHERBut INDEPENDENT state !!!
        1. Beck
          Beck 27 February 2013 14: 52
          +3
          Quote: kostella85
          We are BROTHER but INDEPENDENT states !!!


          That's why I wholeheartedly. Fraternal, Independent and Unified in the development and challenges of the modern era.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 16: 28
        +4
        I would have sent such a politician in public to three letters, which will compare my country with his body part.
      3. воронов
        воронов 27 February 2013 17: 04
        0
        If only for the penis and vagina which in Russia is now abound smile
    2. kostella85
      kostella85 27 February 2013 13: 09
      +3
      Kyrgyz in the vehicle also Tajiks !!!!!!!! stop Are you out of your mind !!! TS is ECONOMIC not a political or military alliance !!!! You have so few drugs and gastric people !!!! With Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and Armenia it is necessary to do a visa regime, which even everyone’s beloved GDP has stated !!!
      1. воронов
        воронов 27 February 2013 17: 25
        +1
        Totally agree with you
      2. GP
        GP 27 February 2013 19: 22
        0
        Quote: kostella85
        TS is ECONOMIC


        In fact of the matter. Economic! In fact, pieces of paper are taken home. And the results of labor: roads, houses, repairs remain in our country. The problem is only illegal migrant workers, i.e. uncontrolled and related frauds, which is entirely our internal problem, but not of Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan, not of a good life, people are pouring out of it to work.
        If the people are coming to WORK for us, this should be welcomed in every possible way, and our population should be more oriented towards more skilled labor.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 27 February 2013 21: 25
          +1
          You your native Russian groom, what skilled work will you reorient?
          Or let it die of hunger!

          And the plasterers, painters, carpenters, plumbers, who were sent to these, in fact, demanded specialties, orphanages and boarding schools, where will you go?

          Say: "Let the newcomers work in these specialties" - such a fucking thing, we won't have unemployment, then, strictly according to the quota, start it !!!
  17. Barmen
    Barmen 27 February 2013 12: 49
    +3
    And when it comes to Ukrainian prisoners, that the Russian Federation is not only geographically, historically, mentally, more like than a geyropa ?! Or are they expecting a riot from the population? Yes, and will work TOGETHER more than where they squeeze out all the juices.
  18. pa_nik
    pa_nik 27 February 2013 13: 50
    +1
    I want to believe that the situation has shifted fundamentally ... hi
  19. Genur
    Genur 27 February 2013 14: 25
    0
    Try seven times (family), cut once (and again) (Dal)
  20. I think so
    I think so 27 February 2013 15: 51
    +1
    Ahhhhhh! Kyrgyz ... And they have closed an African base? Didn’t shut anything? Well, nothing, but the Russians themselves opened a NATO base in their own right, so that BOTTOM MYSTERY. And the union of these is the very thing ... I promise but do not fulfill ...
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 27 February 2013 17: 16
      +4
      The base will be closed after the expiration of the signed contract. If you already signed up once, then you need to perform. They will not extend the status of a military base.
  21. faser
    faser 27 February 2013 17: 02
    +1
    long live customs union
  22. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 27 February 2013 23: 03
    0
    Better Ukraine than the Central Asian adder!
  23. Klim
    Klim 27 February 2013 23: 09
    +2
    All this demagogy about economic consolidation without a single outwardly political course has no future. Until the future of the customs union is created, the future of the customs union is in great doubt. Economic unions without a single political course will be torn off from individual interests, often these are minute ones, there are many examples in world history. Yes, and now the example of the European Union clearly shows this, starting with the frank collapse of industry for the sake of its political overseas master and ending with internal union economic wars. The danger of threats to the union is obvious and has been repeatedly voiced by our opponents. In the end, I want to note that no one has yet repealed the law of conservation of energy, the principle of which affects human society: the worse we are, the better they are - the better we are, the worse they are.
    Energy cannot arise from nothing and cannot disappear anywhere, it can only pass from one form to another.
  24. habalog
    habalog 28 February 2013 00: 33
    +3
    Some comments make me ashamed. But nothing, now we’ll all be together, we’ll go to the bathhouse, and with a clear conscience (with a clear one !!) to a difficult common future.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 28 February 2013 11: 08
      +3
      Quote: habalog
      But nothing, now we’ll all be together, we’ll go to the bathhouse, and with a clear conscience (with a clear one !!) to a difficult common future.

      liked the phrase)
  25. Humpty
    Humpty 28 February 2013 15: 18
    +2
    Our nature is beautiful. Sometimes tender, sometimes harsh. In a couple of hours you can drive from the steppes or the lake through the forests, past glaciers into the tundra.
    And our people are no worse than others.
    Ultimately, the entry of the Customs Union is beneficial to Kyrgyzstan.
    Problem points are completely solvable.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 28 February 2013 16: 49
      +3
      Your nature is not just "beautiful", but gorgeous! And if you immediately approach the issue of civilized tourism wisely, then you can slip through some of the Kazakh mistakes of the 90s, as a result of which part of the beauty is hidden behind the fence of the nouveau riche, and part of nature was actively zaa in the 90s as a result of uncontrolled tourism. Fixing is sometimes harder than starting over. In East Kazakhstan, a businessman bought several meters of a local river, finding a legal basis in the laws of that time, and now he closes it once a year, catching almost all spawning fish uncontrollably. Both nature conservationists and regional authorities can do nothing with it. He bought everything legally in the 90s. So it is better now to take a closer look at the experience of neighbors and, having studied their mistakes, Kyrgyzstan can get on its feet much faster.
      You can even invite Turk-managers from this sphere - in this matter they rummage better than all of us. And investments under the normal legislative framework will always be found.
  26. knn54
    knn54 28 February 2013 16: 56
    +4
    Kyrgyzstan is "Rubicon" today. Probably, we need to go. Or come to terms with the base of the Americans and in the south of Kyrgyzstan.
    Do not forget the center for testing torpedoes in Issyk-Kul (no replacement was found in the Russian Federation), the military plant "DASTAN". Strong dairy industry, tobacco, honey cotton. Fine wines, cognacs, no worse than Georgian ones, though steel balm to body.
    It is necessary to reanimate the KBC and the silk mill in OSh. These are both additional jobs and avoiding dependence on Chinese and Turkish consumer goods.
    In addition, this is a buffer zone from Islamists and drug trafficking.
    The delay in time is only in the hands of China, USA, and the Islamists, who are not as strong as in the neighboring regions of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
    Otherwise, Russia will be perceived as a weak state, dancing to the Western tune.
  27. Humpty
    Humpty 28 February 2013 19: 23
    +1
    Marekou.
    Tourism is slowly developing. From our mess, it primarily affects the mining industry. Some travel agencies have been working since the end of the 80s, just like yours. At the expense of lands bought up by the rich in Kazakhstan, you really feel bust. We fortunately do not have this.
    My friends and I sometimes go to rest for you (we’ll move in the morning), I think that in Kyrgyzstan it’s easier on this account. This is a stupid five-day limit! And if the car breaks down, sometimes it’s not enough five days, and registering is not easy.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 28 February 2013 21: 41
      +5
      If you enter the TS, strict restrictions will disappear and you will be on the same rights as the Russians and Belarus with us. Plus, the Kyrgyz will be able to work calmly with us (and in Russia, respectively) without any restrictions as of now. I think hundreds of thousands of Kyrgyz citizens will breathe a sigh of relief about this. And it is better for the Kyrgyz not to rest in the Almaty region and in the south, but to move on - Borovoe, Zerenda (Akmola region), Bayanaul (Pavlodar region), the Caspian, etc. These places are very different from the Kyrgyz nature. What is the point of a resident of the Kyrgyz Alatoo looking at the Kazakh part of Alatau?))) You will go to the north of Kazakhstan, contact me - I will register you in Astana at my place and you can safely continue the journey. Plus, look at Astana, you will get a lot of impressions from our new capital - I guarantee)







      If you go, then I sent you your coordinates in PM :)
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 28 February 2013 21: 50
        +4
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        Plus, look at Astana, you will get a lot of impressions from our new capital - I guarantee)


        Marek hi Personally impressed me good
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 28 February 2013 22: 29
          +3
          The most interesting thing is to see the reaction of the former residents of Tselinograd who come to Astana from Germany or Russia. Complete shock. Most of them left in the midst of dashing years, and expected to see something a la 90s. And in real life they see a city that has increased in number by 5 times and radically changed.
          Come on they are. Kazakhstanis who come to Astana a few years after their first visit to the capital, and they are surprised at the changes during their absence. Something constantly changes, is added, removed, rebuilt. When I moved here in 99, there was a really provincial town with 250 thousand inhabitants. Local even escalator never seen.
          And by 2017, they generally promise to build a "city of the future" for the Expo. Knowing the obstinacy of our authorities, I would not even be surprised if they rebuild everything tomorrow morning)))
          ZY The pictures show the part of the city that back in 2000 was just ... a steppe. And where there is a building in the form of a "flying saucer" (circus) - there was a village.
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 9 August 2013 16: 48
            +3
            Ah folk money where they go (((((((((((((((
  28. sailor
    sailor 28 February 2013 19: 24
    +1
    romance industry. tobacco, honey. cotton. Fine wines, cognacs - no worse than Georgian ones, though the balm began to be weighted.exclude tobacco-else +++++
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 28 February 2013 21: 46
      +4
      mineral water is still normal. vodka is not bad, but Kazakhstan vodka is definitely better.
      it makes no sense to transport honey from Kyrgyzstan to Russia - it is easier to transport honey from the East of Kazakhstan, and even that is not particularly beneficial to export. I have not tried wine and cognac. Tobacco is bought up by local tobacco factories and Kazakhs. By the way, almost all tobacco growers in the KZ are citizens of Kyrgyzstan.
      dairy products are good. plus they can occupy an empty niche in Russia with their national dairy drinks. tasty healthy stuff.
      1. knn54
        knn54 28 February 2013 22: 09
        +2
        During his service in Osh, he personally attended the shipment of honey to Yugoslavia.
        Tobacco from the Naukatsky District (analogous to the Virginia?) Was used at least a few years ago on Kharkov tobacco as an aromatic additive, according to the recipe.
        PS I forgot to add sparkling nutmeg and, of course, homemade koumiss.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 28 February 2013 22: 34
          +1
          well, in Yugoslavia there may not be honey. I do not know. And to Russia with my samovar ... although, I'm not an expert on honey) everything can be)
  29. Lindon
    Lindon 9 August 2013 15: 52
    0
    It is too early to accept Kyrgyzstan in the Customs Union. It is necessary to strengthen the union of the three countries. To accept Ukraine too.
    And take the poor countries in the end - why on own Greece ??? In order to pour money endlessly into a black hole like Germany does?
  30. gladcu2
    gladcu2 27 February 2018 21: 42
    0
    Author.

    Well, what will the Kyrgyz go to Moscow to wave a broom?

    They made them jobs in their homeland. Now let the Muscovites wave their broom. However, jobs were opened in their homeland.

    And how much money was printed, so much was written off.