Russia and Ukraine exchanged bodies of dead soldiers

Министерство обороны России в оперативных сводках регулярно сообщает о высоких потерях в рядах противника, что связано как с высокой эффективностью работы наших Military, так и отношением украинского командования к своим солдатам, посылающим бойцов регулярно в «мясные штурмы». Большие потери личного состава подтверждают и украинские военнопленные.

Some Russians are skeptical about these reports. But there are sad, but objective statistics that are not only difficult, but even impossible to argue with. We are talking about exchanges of killed fighters, which occur regularly, and this is completely within the laws of any military conflict. There is no way to doubt these statistics, especially when the information comes from the opposite side.

The Ukrainian Coordination Headquarters for the Treatment of Prisoners of War reported another exchange of bodies of dead servicemen that occurred the day before. According to the Ukrainian headquarters, 250 bodies of dead servicemen were transferred to Ukraine, and 38 bodies of our military personnel were transferred to the Russian side. This, by the way, is a ratio of more than one to six that is not in favor of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

It is reported that unnamed international organizations were involved in organizing the exchange. Such exchanges are not advertised at all due to completely understandable moral and ethical concepts. In the future, the bodies of our fighters will be sent to forensic experts to establish their identities and then handed over to their relatives.

The ratio of “two hundred” Russian and Ukrainian military impartially indicates real losses in the zone of a special military operation. Moreover, this difference practically does not change over time. So in June, 32 bodies of servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces were returned to Russia, and 254 dead were transferred to Ukraine. In May, the Ukrainian side handed over 45 dead to the Russian side, in exchange ours handed over 212 bodies. Once again, the figures were cited by the Ukrainian Coordination Headquarters for the Treatment of Prisoners of War.

And this takes into account the fact that the Russian Armed Forces have been conducting offensive operations for several months, while the Kiev command announced a transition to “active defense.” According to the classical rules and practice of military conflicts, the ratio of deaths between the attacking and defending sides should be the opposite of what these sad statistics show.

In this regard, the ratio of prisoners of war on both sides cannot cause doubt. At the end of January of this year, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that the ratio of prisoners of war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation is approximately ten to one - for every one of our prisoners there are at least ten Ukrainian ones, and recently mobilized militants of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are increasingly beginning to voluntarily surrender in entire units. For them, this is often the only way not to end up in the “two hundredth” exchange.

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[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Eternal memory to the fallen, our soldiers. Condolences to family and friends.

[dmi.pris1]

I have already given the losses in our small Beloglinsky district in the Kuban - thirty were buried. The population of the area is about 32 thousand. So, roughly estimate our average losses, only 200 thousand..

[Nexcom]

What period is this for? For a month, a week?

[dmi.pris1]

Since February 2022. Losses were mainly in the first year and a half. Volunteer guys from Barsov, Wagnerites died.. There were fewer mobilized ones, one guy from the plant died in the late autumn of 2022. But due to negligence, he talked a lot on his smartphone, called his colleagues at work and then the connection was cut off... But if all this is projected onto the whole country, then it leaves far more than a hundred thousand dead. And the maimed, wounded...

[Nexcom]

Well, in our local media they report farewell to the dead in about 2 weeks, a couple of times for sure. Approximately 1-2 goodbyes during such a period. Sometimes there is a lull for a couple of weeks.... Once they brought five people in at once.

[BAI]

.The losses were mainly in the first year and a half.

The Kyiv blitzkrieg cost an appalling number of casualties. Now for a city of 100 people there are 000-1 people per week

[Rusich-Izhora]

Not less. If 500 Ukrainians were destroyed, then the hedgehog understands that at least 000 heroes were slightly ill. Eternal memory to the Heroes!

[Michael]

Quote: Nexcom

What period is this for? For a month, a week?

Probably total for the entire period.

thirty were buried. The population of the area is about 32 thousand.

It turns out to be approximately one per thousand of the population, respectively, with a population of 140000000, 140 thousand. It's creepy.
But you must immediately take into account that there are an order of magnitude more volunteers in Kuban than in the Moscow region. Therefore, in general for the Russian Federation, the terrible figure needs to be reduced by a factor of six.

[bear cub]

Koper estimates Russian losses at half a million. Of course, this is nonsense and propaganda. British and American sources are more reliable and trustworthy; they estimate Russian losses at 140-180 thousand killed and about 200 thousand wounded. Of course, they are also overestimated by, say, 1/3, so the figure of 120 dead is quite plausible.

[Michael]

Quote: Little Bear

Russian losses are estimated at 140-180 thousand killed and about 200 thousand wounded.

Sucked from the finger. Like any "British scientists".

[Andobor]

It is possible, but not by a multiple, to reduce the total number of irretrievable losses, even Putin said that our losses are 5 times less, the Ukrainian ones are estimated at 500-600 thousand. So the statistics for the Beloglinsky region turn out to be a little lower, due to the fact that there is a little more fighting there than the average country.

[Michael]

Yes, even if you count ten times, it’s already a multiple, and several times, and by an order of magnitude.
Gas to Europe - Leopards are being repaired. Oil to Europe - diesel fuel in tanks. Uranium in the USA is a projectile with a depleted core in the Leopard barrel.
And, a brave Russian fighter will heroically burn this Leopard and receive a well-deserved order and a cash bonus from the money received for gas, oil, and metal.
Surrealism.

[Olesya Lesya]

Ours count the dead officially: they look at it according to nicrologists, according to destruction on the LS, and there according to other criteria. And Putin does not take into account the losses of the missing: those who were thrown into the field, or buried in pits (the visions were from dill), burned in crematoria (the Germans supplied them with autocrematoriums). Ours say that the actual losses are about 7-8 times greater.

[private person]

But you must immediately take into account that there are an order of magnitude more volunteers in Kuban than in the Moscow region.

So, in addition to the Moscow region, there is Tatarstan, Bashkiria, and many other regions and regions of Russia, and as you put it, it’s impossible to reduce the figure by a multiple.

[Michael]

Quote: private person

So, in addition to the Moscow region, there is Tatarstan, Bashkiria, and many other regions and regions of Russia

Glory to God, the gods and Vernadsky’s noosphere, that Russia is not only the Moscow region.

[Tikhonov_Alexander]

You are absolutely right - in Moscow and the region the population is 22 million, and a Muscovite can only be lured into the army with big money and those who sign a contract are given 1,9 million rubles at once. And if you add the population of very decently living St. Petersburg, Tyumen, Tataria, Bashkiria, you get 41 million. Naturally, the contract is concluded by the vast majority of men from poor regions of Russia, where work is difficult and salaries are low - that is, from the remaining approximately one hundred million... And, it is clear that the losses mainly fall on the poor regions...

[Iris]

A hundred would be better. And you will be hired to work in Konashenkov’s department. But don’t get too excited - a Tajik earns more in pizza delivery than a colonel there.

[Michael]

Quote: Kasatik

But don’t get too excited - a Tajik earns more in pizza delivery than a colonel there.

And this is what you are trying to blame me for?
I’ve already written here, but I’ll repeat it again. I have been walking on a prosthesis since 99.
And this is not about Tajiks with colonels; we see Tajiks with colonels every day)))).

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

I have already given the losses in our small Beloglinsky district in the Kuban - thirty were buried. The population of the area is about 32 thousand. So, roughly estimate our average losses, only 200 thousand..

everything is conditional and it is wrong to measure by one region, in rural areas there are generally more participants in the SVO... today I was on a farm of 700 people, they had 3 dead... i.e. 0,4 percent of the population...

[Victor Alien]

So in addition, no one takes into account who serves and where. Stormtroopers naturally die more often and are injured. There are less than 600 people in my village. One teacher's 2 sons died. One is native and the other is adopted, about six months apart. They served in different places. My father went looking for one for about 4 months. One friend laughed at first when the first posters called for a contract for 200 thousand a month. Then I got involved in mobilization. It seems like he was an attack aircraft near Artemovsk. Has injuries. It seems like they will treat you back or go on their own or take you away. Doesn't laugh anymore. Well, my mobilized relative has been serving since the fall of 2022. Sapper. So far I’m safe and without injuries, even though it’s somewhere near Rabotino. Well, it looks like there is one more dead. Total 1 out of 3. These are those I know.

[Uncle lee]

Sakhalin: from 30 to 36 dead monthly...Information from the governor from obituaries.

[Mekey Iptyshev]

In our area, the population is about the same. There are many more dead. Artemovsk, Avdeevka - almost every day there are obituaries of those who died across the republic. There are obituaries in the local newspaper every week.
TsIPSO writes that the main losses are in Dagestan, Buryatia, our Khakassia and other “depressed” regions.

[Gpn27]

And I’ll join in and ask, whose are you, that you evaluate the deflection. And in my native Sevastopol, for a population of 550 thousand, there are 120 buried in the cemetery, incl. those who died on the Moskva whose bodies were not found, which gives one dead per 4600 population or 21 dead per 100 thousand. With a population of 146 million, this is 30660 dead for all of Russia.

[private person]

Whose will you be, that you evaluate the deflection.

I’m Russian, I’ve never been abroad and I don’t have relatives there. I just don’t like it when they forbid someone to express their point of view, assuming that only they are right.

[Michael]

Quote: private person

I just don’t like it when they forbid someone to express their point of view, assuming that only they are right.

Respect, bro))).
I am also for dialogue. Explain it.
Any numbers are secret, and mathematics and analytics are idle speculations. Just idle speculation.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

no one ever reveals their losses during combat

[Iris]

Are you sure? Exactly? In Iraq, such messages were published in 2004 with one remark - first to those close to the news. And there was even a website (now removed) where detailed records were kept - where, when and from what.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

amers? so only a few of them died there, this can be safely published)))

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Ryaruav

oh, how the authorities are afraid to show real losses, even if it’s worse for them, people come from there and tell stories, and these stories are very different from the officialdom

He now harbored a soldier's jealousy for his former profession. Although, reading the newspapers, I understood that it was impossible to describe in them everything that you see at the front, but still silently compared what I saw with what they wrote, and became angry when I encountered nonsense. People, as before the war, wrote in different ways: some did not lose their conscience, while others, apparently, never had one.(C)

K. Simonov.

[urik62]

Over the course of a week, 49 (or so) military personnel surrendered, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense on the Rossiya24 TV channel, or rather those who were most likely captured during the fighting. In short, no one surrenders there, everyone fights to the last, and about surrender by units is, to put it mildly, a lie.

[Yuri_I]

Damn, they sit and wait for proposals, finally ah

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

what should I have offered?

[NAF-NAF]

The “Image of the Future” of Russia was banned by law in 1993 (the “Yeltsin” Constitution translated from English).
When Putin proposed voting for amendments (to reduce the amount of anti-Russian muck in the Constitution) - how did the masses react?

[tatra]

This ratio means nothing.. The Telegram post of the military correspondent Kitten leads to completely different thoughts.

[Deon59]

How many lie in the gray zone? Many cannot be pulled out and the military registration and enlistment office says they are missing in action.

[Gvardeetz77]

The ratio of “two hundred” Russian and Ukrainian military impartially indicates real losses in the zone of a special military operation.

For whom does it testify? For housewives?
Those retreating, oh, how they don’t always take their 200s, not to mention the strangers, and on the contrary, the attackers pick up their own, well, and strangers at the same time.

[tatra]

But according to military practice, the attackers have 3 times more losses than the defenders. And the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR attacked very little during these 2,5 years.

[Vladimir M]

Let me clarify that the attackers have 3 times more losses than the defenders until the moment the enemy loses control and the enemy begins to abandon their positions and run.
But they do not experience a loss of control over their units and there is no mass abandonment of positions.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

3 times is very arbitrary, maybe three times or less, or maybe 33 times more

[Vladimir M]

I agree 1 to 3, this is all conditional. I wanted to say that the attackers definitely have more losses than the defenders, although up to a certain point. Then everything works in the opposite direction, but here the defenders have an order of magnitude more prisoners.

[pyagomail.com]

Quote: Vladimir M

the attackers definitely have more losses than the defenders

This is subject to approximately the same weapons and their quantity, training of soldiers and commanders. While in terms of copters it is approximately the same, in terms of aviation, artillery, missiles, and gliding bombs, the Russian Federation has an advantage.

[Vladimir M]

Now, by and large, “trench warfare” and losses should be comparable. Otherwise everything would be different.
I think if we count the total irretrievable losses of ours and theirs from February 22 to the present, then the overall ratio of irretrievable losses will be 1 to 2. Of course, if we include everyone in our irretrievable losses - both the Donetsk and Lugansk (before they were transferred to contracts), both Wagner and the prisoners...

[Montezuma]

Quote: Vladimir M

Now, by and large, “trench warfare” and losses should be comparable.

The massive use of FABs and TOSs has radically changed this “comparability”.

[Vladimir M]

No they haven't changed. At least because now there is no such saturation of the defending positions with “infantry”.
Simply put, if in World War II one “shell” killed 10 soldiers, now only one.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Vladimir M

No they haven't changed. At least because now there is no such saturation of the defending positions with “infantry”.
Simply put, if in World War II one “shell” killed 10 soldiers, now it kills only one.

FABs work in outbuildings and high-rise buildings with basements, and there are clearly not one soldier at a time, but groups of soldiers. TOSs also work on guidance and do not waste ammunition.

[Iris]

Is it the same for copters? If for one of our fighters there are five copters, which hang constantly (if the weather permits), and the Russian drone pilots receive a lure for a lost copter (and it didn’t even take off, because it was defective from production) and they are given out on a receipt.... You the Central Election Commission would...[quote][/quote]

[pyagomail.com]

Quote: Kasatik

Russian drone pilots get paid for a lost copter (and it didn’t even take off, because it was defective from production) and they are given out on receipt....

Where do u you such information from TsIPSO?

Quote: Kasatik

for one of our fighters there are five copters that hang constantly

For one your - I admit, although, why?

[Andobor]

But ours did not advance much, they enter enemy positions when there are only corpses after artillery and aviation, the rare surviving shell-shocked cripples are taken prisoner, they shout that they didn’t shoot, and they don’t lie.

[SergeyB]

But according to military practice, the attackers have 3 times more losses than the defenders. And the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR attacked very little during these 2,5 years.

What kind of cruel nonsense!?
There is no such statement in any military work. And statistics, at least since the Second World War, do not confirm this.
Yes, you might think so yourself. If this statement were true, then no one would seek to lead an offensive. Everyone would be on the defensive.
Most likely the false statement that the attacking side suffers 3 times as many casualties was born from a distorted military rule. Which reads:
In order to confidently break through the enemy’s defenses, it is necessary to throw into battle 3 times more forces than the enemy in this area.
And it is natural that in this case the attacking side will suffer fewer losses than the defenders.
Because on one enemy barrel, the attackers will put 3 barrels. For one tank, three of your own. And so on.
As a result, the defenders will be destroyed faster than they can inflict similar losses on the attackers.

[Vladimir M]

It's not nonsense. The attackers have more losses than the defenders until the defense is broken through and the enemy loses control of his units.

[SergeyB]

. The attackers have more losses than the defenders until the defense is broken through and the enemy loses control of his units.

Again.
Where is the evidence for this statement?
Over the past 80 years, a huge amount of high-quality analysis has been written on a wide variety of military conflicts. With detailed statistics of various losses in different battles.
If the attackers necessarily suffered greater losses than the defenders, then this would certainly have been noticed by military analysts and, of course, noted in military publications.
Can you provide a link to a similar statement in a serious military work?
You cannot provide a link.
Because the statement that attackers always suffer more losses than defenders is a lie.

[Vasia]

Quote: tatra

But according to military practice, the attackers have 3 times more losses than the defenders

This works when the defenders are not nullified by high-precision FABs.

[Escobar]

There was an article in VO that 480 thousand obituaries have already been published in Ukraine. Even if we average our losses for the entire Northern Military District, and take the same ratio of our and Ukrainian losses, it will be 480/6 = 80 thousand people. This does not take into account those who have already earned a disability - without arms, without legs, paralyzed - with spinal injuries and TD.

[Byurer]

Ukrainian obituaries are counted on Lostarmore, and today there are 52 thousand of them, where does the figure of 480 thousand come from?

[Escobar]

I took the information from here https://topwar.ru/247165-kogda-na-lbs-priedet-poslednij-ukrainec-mobilizacija-ukraincev-prodolzhaetsja.html

[Byurer]

That is, from a comment by an anonymous user without any links to sources. Sorry, but we need to evaluate information and its origin more critically

[Mavrikiy]

And this takes into account the fact that the RF Armed Forces have already have been conducting offensive operations for several months, while the Kiev command announced a transition to “active defense.”

So in June, 32 bodies of servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces were returned to Russia, and 254 dead were transferred to Ukraine.

It turns out that our fallen remain with us and their fallen too. Therefore, Ukry can return little to us, but we give them a lot. And based on the results of the exchange, build the proportions of losses....
On the other hand, missing dills are potential dead, soldiers’ allowances simply trickle down to the commanders.

[Vladimir M]

Mavrikiy, now our “hurray-patriots” will downvote you.

[Tagan]

Now our “hurray-patriots” will downvote you.

As practice shows, this tired phrase is usually used by narrow-minded people.

[Uno]

What is the connection between loss and body exchange? It’s impossible to make any correlation here, but the author did it, it’s handy

[Andobor]

Yes, this reflects only the dynamics of the front.

[private person]

What is the connection between loss and body exchange?

And in general, it is not clear why, during our offensive, the bodies of our soldiers ended up with the girls.? When retreating, this is understandable, but here we advance and at the same time leave behind the dead. What about the famous words “We don’t abandon our own.”

[Evgeniy68]

The attacking side's dead remain on its side, but the dead defenders remain on the winning side

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

“This, by the way, is a ratio of more than one to six that is not in favor of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.” this is not an indicator. It all depends on who advances and who retreats and on whose territory the corpses remain. If our dead soldiers remain in the territory we occupied, then we do not need to exchange them with the kaklov and they will not be included in these statistics.

[lukash66]

So we are fighting with the same stubborn Russians, albeit a little brainwashed. Father against son, brother against brother, Remember the Civil War. Even the Cossacks cut each other down, just remember the Quiet Don. Godfather against matchmaker, relatives, childhood friends and even fellow soldiers against each other.

[private person]

Father against son, brother against brother.

There was such a case in our area. One brother in the "Wagners" was the other fighting for his daughter.

[urik62]

[quote]According to the Ukrainian headquarters, 250 bodies of dead servicemen were transferred to Ukraine, and 38 bodies of our military personnel were transferred to the Russian side. This, by the way, is a ratio of more than one to six that is not in favor of the Ukrainian Armed Forces./quote] generally some kind of nonsense, they exchanged as much as they exchanged, and that’s all

[Tagan]

Quote: tatra

But according to military practice, the attackers have 3 times more losses than the defenders. And the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR attacked very little during these 2,5 years.

Whose military practice exactly?
Don’t you want to take into account the ratio and effectiveness of weapons? In fact, there are many more factors that influence the loss ratio.

[Revolver]

By the way, Russia is about to annex new regions. Denazification will be on the agenda. And in all the cemeteries, wherever you look, there are rows of monuments with Bandera Nazi symbols. And what to do about it?

[Nesvoy]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

I have already given the losses in our small Beloglinsky district in the Kuban - thirty were buried. The population of the area is about 32 thousand. So, roughly estimate our average losses, only 200 thousand..

Well, ours seem to be advancing, so the battlefield remains behind us, and therefore our killed and killed soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces also remain on our field, so to speak. Therefore, as the author calculates the loss of 1 to 6, it is at least incorrect.

[solar]

And this takes into account the fact that the Russian Armed Forces have been conducting offensive operations for several months, while the Kiev command announced a transition to “active defense.”

You need to understand that during an attack, the bodies of the dead defenders remain on the territory of the advancing enemy.

[Sergey39]

How, It’s difficult for us to save people’s lives. Without war, 1100 people drowned in two summer months.

[andrey4578]

The President, I remember, added on his own behalf that these were confirmed enemy losses, but in reality there were “of course more.” Well, what is not visible by drones, after FAB, Grad, NURS, ...

[JD1979]

According to the classical rules and practice of military conflicts, the ratio of deaths between the attacking and defending sides should be the opposite of what these sad statistics show.

I don’t really understand right now. This statistic is bitter because the ratio is not the opposite? Someone signed up at the end and got tired or is no longer on the wrong side?

[Maxim]

if you take irrecoverable losses it will be 1 in 10 or even 15

[Clone]

During our offensive, the irretrievable losses of IEDs are clear, but how did they end up with ours and when? And who are they handing over to us?

[Cartographer]

Well, the author is a little confused. Naturally, since our army is advancing, the bodies of Ukrainian soldiers remain in the occupied territory. the bodies of the attackers remain there

[Kostadinov]

Quote: Clone

During our offensive, the irretrievable losses of IEDs are clear, but how did they end up with ours and when? And who are they handing over to us?

We found ourselves in the midst of counterattacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which certainly exist.