New record: a Su-35S aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter at a distance of more than 200 km

A Su-35S combat aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter at a distance of more than 200 km. After rocket the target disappeared from the radar after launch.

This was reported by a number of Russian specialized resources.

It is reported that the enemy aircraft did not return to its airfield. It was destroyed by a Russian ultra-long-range air-to-air missile R-37M, which covered a record distance of 213 kilometers. Experts claim that this was a new documented record for the range of destruction of a target by an aircraft missile, set for the first time in stories. They call this case “unprecedented” and the distance from the launch site to the enemy aircraft “colossal.”

It is known that our pilot shot down a modernized MiG-29A fighter of the Ukrainian Air Force. It was discovered by the on-board system of the Russian Aerospace Forces Irbis aircraft when it was at a distance of about 270 kilometers. The R-37M missile was fired at the enemy at the moment when the MiG-29 was ready to launch the AGM-88B Block 3 HARM anti-radar missile.

The maximum range of the R-37M is 300 kilometers. The missile has a launch mass of just over half a ton, and the weight of the warhead is 60 kg.

The main purpose of this weapons is the destruction of airplanes, helicopters and other air targets at significant distances.

Comments

[rasl_iz_pitera]

We are waiting for the F-16. This will be news!!! The main thing is that the ratios are in our favor. Otherwise we’ll shoot down 1 F16, and we’ll talk loudly, while keeping silent about our losses

[Lev_Russia]

The speed of this missile is more than 5 Mach, that is, more than 6 thousand km/h... That is, the missile covers a distance of 200 km in 2 minutes... You can't even smoke a cigarette... A formidable weapon for everything that flies at a speed of up to 2500 km/h and at a distance of up to 300 km...

[Netl]

Quote: Lev_Russia

in 2 minutes... You can't even smoke a cigarette..

Everyone smokes at different speeds, but the MiG-29A can fly 30 km in any direction during this time.
Therefore, launching such long-range missiles is to some extent a roulette - guess at what point the enemy will be in 2-3 minutes and launch it there. Their homing head will only start working at the very end.

I hope that this time there was real success and disappearance from radar = destruction of the enemy aircraft. But in general, it’s a good thing, but very heavy (600 kg) and expensive. Initially it was developed against AWACS and the like, but in the current conditions it is necessary to hunt for MiGami.

[Hexenmeister]

Therefore, launching such long-range missiles is to some extent a roulette game - guess at what point the enemy will be in 2-3 minutes and launch it there. Their own seeker will only start working at the very end.

There is no tape measure; all changes in the target’s movement parameters are transmitted to the missile using radio correction signals; this was not a problem back in the 80s. 200 km is not the limit:

On November 21, 2012, successful “hot” work was carried out on the “Tribute” target. The work showed the possibility of implementing long-range launches (more than 300 km)

[Netl]

Quote: Hexenmeister

target movements are transmitted to the rocket using radio correction signals, this is back in the 80s

There are big problems with communication stability in hypersound, since at such speeds the surrounding flow acquires the properties of a plasma cloud. That is why the main guidance system there is inertial. Radio correction is written about in the descriptions, but nothing is known about its parameters And, apparently, not everything is so rosy.

Otherwise, these missiles would have been launched en masse on any side within a radius of 300 km (and this is almost the entire theater of operations)

[Hexenmeister]

What other hypersound? It's not on 37M!
Radio correction was used back in the 80s on 27(E)R and AIM-7, it is also used on 77 missiles and AIM-120, everything has long been known and rosy! The launch range depends on many conditions; the 37M cannot be launched at 300 km for every target!

[Netl]

Quote: Hexenmeister

What other hypersound? It's not on 37M

How not. The speed of the R-37M is about Mach 6, this is natural hypersound.

Quote: Hexenmeister

Radio correction was used back in the 80s on 27(E)R and AIM-7,

So, you are answering for yourself. The problem is not radio correction as such; by the way, the Germans invented it in WW2. Problem in applying radio correction at speed of Mach 6.

[Hexenmeister]

How simple it is for you! The speed of the rocket is not constant along the trajectory, it may reach the specified speed from Wikipedia, and then at best at the end of the main engine operation, or it may not, it all depends on many conditions that will determine the launch range. When the engine stops running, the speed will only decrease. In addition, in addition to radio correction, there is another factor required for pointing the 37M, and using communication with the rocket, and it was not for nothing that I gave an example of an experimental launch, showing that even when launched at 300-odd kilometers (and these are probably the maximum speeds for a rocket ) everything works, and the connection does not fail.

[Netl]

Quote: Hexenmeister

The speed of the rocket is not constant along the trajectory,

You wrote a little higher that there is no hypersound on the R-37. There, by the way, is the primary source of this information - a message from RIA Novosti in 2023. Now - you refer to the inconstancy of speeds.

But in this case, all the conditions change. The flight time will no longer be 2-3 minutes as we discussed above, but 5-10. The missile no longer travels in a cloud of plasma, and accordingly, it will be clearly visible to the enemy; after all, today NATO flying AWACS and other radars work quite well against the Nazis.

That is, the enemy pilot will be promptly warned of an attack on him. And he will have enough time to dive behind the nearest ridge of hills or the like so that our target is lost, and any radio correction is useless.

[Hexenmeister]

The flight time will no longer be 2-3 minutes as we discussed above, but 5-10

Or maybe just 3-4 minutes?

It will be clearly visible to the enemy, because nowadays NATO flying AWACS and other radars work quite well against the Nazis.

You have too good an opinion about their performance against such a small target; if an AWACS aircraft detects a 37M, then we can safely say that it is its target.

And he will have enough time to dive behind the nearest ridge of hills or the like,

What other range of hills? The missile is guided by a radar on a fighter, it doesn’t care from above, this is not a ground-based air defense system. Specifically in this case, why didn’t the Mig-29 that was shot down dive??? It seems he didn’t even really recognize the activation of the seeker for radiation!

[Netl]

maybe just 3-4 minutes

This is in an ideal situation. In reality, either the carrier or the rocket will need additional time to maneuver.

good opinion about their characteristics for such a small size

But the R-37 is by no means small-sized. A healthy missile is more than 4 m. There are no measures to reduce radar signature. Powerful solid propellant engine with a strong torch. It will be quite visible in several ranges.

he doesn't care from above

It doesn’t matter when the radar is over a nearby target. And when the goal is 200 km away, just mentally imagine a triangle with such a hypotenuse. And what a huge dead zone there will be behind the ridge of hills, 1 km high. The curvature of the Earth is still against us.

why the Mig-29, which was shot down, did not dive

And we are not sure about this. The message says that he disappeared from radar. And we only hope that both the board and the pilot are destroyed. Instead of ducking behind a hill or sitting on the highway. We hope for the best, of course

[Jager]

But not every aircraft can carry these missiles. Or do you need to carry 2 of these missiles and a couple of FAB-3000s?

[Hexenmeister]

Only 37M missiles can be used by the Mig-31, Su-35S and even the Su-30SM, but they never carried three-ton tanks!

[abrakadabre]

They write about radiocorrection in the descriptions, but nothing is known about its parameters

Maybe you could also publish drawings and radio circuits?

[Netl]

Quote: abrakadabre

publish more drawings

You left the quote a little short.
There, after all, the trick is that we all know from open sources simultaneously about the presence of radio correction and about the hypersonic speed of this missile. This is contradictory information.

That is, when analyzing, we should assume that either there will be no radio correction, and in this case we will have to guess the enemy’s position in 2-3 minutes. Or there will be no hypersound, and then the flying missile will be perfectly visible and the enemy will have a mine. 5-10 for a quiet escape from our radars.

[fruc]

There is a trend towards aerial duels over long distances.

[Ingenegr]

Quote: Lev_Russia

The speed of this rocket is more than Mach 5, that is, more than 6 thousand km/hour...

This is the MAXIMUM speed of the rocket, which it acquires at the end of the active part of the trajectory upon completion of the solid propellant motor. The operating time of this rocket is approximately 10 seconds. Then it flies, continuously losing speed, and with it the available overload, i.e. ability to maneuver on a trajectory.

Quote: Lev_Russia

A formidable weapon for anything that flies at speeds of up to 2500 km/h and at a distance of up to 300 km...

The modest charm of the tabular performance characteristics))) 300 km are indicated when launching a target from a high altitude into the PPS. When launching into a closed zone or from medium, and even more so low, altitudes, this figure should be reduced by 2...3 times.

[Egeny]

the target disappeared from the radar.

...maybe she hid behind a cloud.)

[voyaka uh]

Rather, she dived down after
launching its rocket.
This is a common tactic: slide-start-turn with a sharp decrease in height. "Disappeared from the radar."

[Egeny]

...are we talking about the 29th moment? So it seems ours shot him down 200 km away with a new super missile

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: Lev_Russia

A formidable weapon for anything that flies at speeds up to 2500 km/h and at a distance of up to 300 km..

On the Tu-22 everything is fine, it will survive. Happily ever after.
I didn’t hear anything about the KhokhloMiG-29 killed at some fabulous ranges, just like our Defense Ministry. Above is a screenshot from the report for the past XNUMX hours.

Try to seek clarification where the source of the news is located. Well, or in the Moscow Region. But definitely not for me, because everything that I consider necessary to comment on, I comment on without being asked in the form and volume in which I consider necessary.

And there will be someone to comment on all sorts of nonsense even without me.

[Nesvoy]

Can the author indicate these resources? And then I flipped through the cart and didn’t say a word about this news.

[Montezuma]

Quote from Nesvoy

Can the author indicate these resources? And then I flipped through the cart and didn’t say a word about this news.

TG channel "Military Observer". The message is short, two lines, without details. Apparently, he copied it from somewhere, but did not provide a link.

[kig]

Quote: Montezuma

TG channel "Military Observer"

Nothing like this was found on the Observer, but there is something here

As for the SVO. Su-35S. (https://t.me/ZOV_Voevoda/17487)
Confirmed, pilot's request plus OK, plus confirmation from the Ukrainian, downing of a MiG-29 at a range of 213 km.

No one in the world can repeat this. Nobody.

[Montezuma]

Quote: kig

Nothing like this was found on the Observer,

Well why? I copied it from there. Post from July 28, 23:58 Moscow time

❗️The Russian Su-35S fighter shot down the Ukrainian MiG-29 for the first time with an R37M missile at a colossal range of 213 km.

This is reported by specialized resources.
#SVO

@new_militarycolumnist

And yes, later I found a more detailed text on the TG channel “Voevoda Broadcasts”.
Let's wait for official confirmation of this fact.

[kig]

You and I probably have different Informants. On July 28, at 23-18, I gave out the news about our convoy being blown up by mines in the Krasnogoroaki area

[Xenofont]

Damantsev has gained a reputation, to put it mildly, as an optimistic visionary without a hint of professionalism. It would be better not to mention him in this news. Additional confirmation from responsible sources is needed.

[ALCA056000]

Khokhlik, did you mix up anything? This is how it works for you: “Otherwise we’ll knock down 1 piece of Geranium, and we’ll talk loudly...”

[bars042]

I started for Health, and ended for peace.

[Uncle lee]

The main purpose of this weapon is to destroy aircraft, helicopters and other air targets. significant distances.

This is the distance the rocket covered!
F-16 is next!

[Boycott]

Hello F-16. Well, a warning to mercenaries who want to replace the big flyers in the cockpits

[Pashka Kolokolnikov]

The Folakns will appear, we'll see. Now there is no need to flaunt bravado

[Boycott]

Where's the bravado? Purely a statement of fact. At 2 hundred kilometers, the falcon is practically powerless. The AIM-120 of the latest modification reaches 180 km.

[Fatalist]

What can I say: many thanks to the Soviet designers for the R37 and respect to the modern ones for the modernization of the R37M. "Irbis" is simply beyond competition. The pilot is just great!

[KLM77]

According to the commander-in-chief of the USSR, he produced only galoshes!
PS: a female dog, to be honest, this statement still jars me! The current “effective” ones should bow to the Union.

[26rus]

They've already gotten me started with these cries about "galoshes" First, give the entire quote in full, and then try to understand the meaning of what it said.

[KLM77]

First, you will learn the Russian language, and then you will talk about the meanings!

[26rus]

Do you have problems understanding what is written in Russian?

[vik669]

Quote: 26rus

They've already gotten me started with these cries about "galoshes"

And it’s true - Russian fools are the best in the world!

[Jose]

Read the full quote verbatim, and not the passage about “galoshes” taken out of context.

[Pravodel]

Russian Aerospace Forces Su-35S plane shot down Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter at a distance of more than 200 km

Great news! Well done defense workers and our pilots!!!

[Ross xnumx]

This is truly good news!

[Irokez]

Another would be to create a missile that can reach AWACS on their remote flight.

[Fatalist]

KS172. Range 400km. Development since 2007. At the testing stage.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Fatalist

distance 400 km. Development since 2007. At the testing stage.

Isn’t it too early for the “test completion stage”? Only some 17 (seventeen) years have passed since the beginning of development...

[Fatalist]

Optimization left/right shifts... on the one hand there are managers, on the other the MO does not know what it wants.

[blackGRAIL]

This is only half the battle. Moreover, today it is smaller. Just as the Americans adapted their SM-6 for the F-18, so we, theoretically, can adapt the 40N6E for an aircraft carrier. But giving the order to destroy AWACS will be much more difficult.

[Irokez]

There is no need to give the order - pass it on to the Houthis.

[blackGRAIL]

So the problem will remain the same - give the order to destroy it, hand it over to the Houthis. In common parlance it is called "eggs".

[AlOrg]

Should we also give the missile carrier, pilots, airfield and technicians to the Houthis? Or are you suggesting launching the missile from a catapult?

[Irokez]

And you are not quick-witted. After all, there are Russian-speaking Houthis. )))

[AlOrg]

Do the Houthis also have suitable airfields?

[Kwasar9000]

Exactly, exactly... I once knew a Chinese man. His name was Li Si Qing.
The erysipelas, however, is from Ryazan, but otherwise... In Vietnam, it’s not like he fought, he flew in a MiG.

[bars042]

These guys have combat experience launching air-to-air missiles from the ground.
They don’t have enough rackets like these.

[Woroshilow]

What a problem, the Indians actually added “Onyx” to the SU-30 for something that flies...

[borisvt]

..The R-37M missile was fired at the enemy at the moment when the MiG-29 was ready to launch the AGM-88B Block 3 HARM anti-radar missile

There is nothing to comment on here, the R-37M is a cool missile, this has long been known.
But how they managed to establish the moment the MiG was ready to launch a rocket is already curious

[cpls22]

Quote from borisvt

But how they managed to establish the moment the MiG was ready to launch a rocket is already curious

Perhaps he did release her. And he paid for it.

[Iris]

By the smell of cigarettes from the cabin.

[ZovSailor]

A new record: a Su-35S aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter at a distance of more than 200 km.

Shaw, again? Were the boys so looking forward to filling their pockets and closing their mortgages?
Now the adversary may change his mind about sending guns-16 to Banderreich, they gave away a secret secret, one hope is that it won’t come to the suckers and the first fu-16 is already waiting for its Prize-winner with 15 lamas?

[Woroshilow]

They will give it to you, don't worry, Challenger 2, Leo 2A6, and Abrams M1A1 were put on public display, and Falcons will be put on display, then they will swallow, wipe their mouths and continue to live.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

«New record: a Su-35S aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter at a distance of more than 200 km" -

- "Faster, higher, stronger" ...
(We have our own score)

[TermNachTer]

The target disappeared from the radar screen - this is not yet objective control. Let's rejoice a little, there aren't many MiGs left there, sooner or later we'll find out the truth.

[KVU-NSVD]

I'm happy for our pilots.
But it's confusing

Russian analyst Evgeny Damantsev

, whose works are well known to VO readers

[The popuas]

Damantsev... Such Damantsev... I remember his articles on VO...

[Elephant]

The score is in our favor. But if Mig did release an AGM-88B towards him. What do the experts think?

[cpls22]

Quote: Elephant

The score is in our favor. But if Mig did release an AGM-88B towards him. What do the experts think?

And he did, otherwise we wouldn't have known about it. But judging by the score, this duel was ours. It's a question of comparing the characteristics of the missiles. If he launched his missile later, and it required his support, i.e. being at altitude, then he had no chance.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Elephant

if Mig had nevertheless released an AGM-88B towards

I’m never an expert, but HARMs, in fact, belong to the air-to-surface class (although hitting an air target is possible - in Operation Desert Storm, an American F-4 hit a B-52 bomber with a HARM, which itself was accompanying). And the maximum range of KHARMs is 150 km. This is ideal, that is, from a great height and at high speed. In reality, up to 80 km. In Ukrainian realities, perhaps even less, since Ukrainian aircraft prefer to fly low, low, like crocodiles from an army joke.
So our plane was absolutely not in danger.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I remembered something that the Soviet pilots needed to confirm the downed plane.

[I dare to_notice_]

New record: a Su-35S aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter at a distance of more than 200 km
Fy-16, after reading this news about X-oh-lo-29:

[hump]

Such defeats are rarely pleasing

[AB]

I don’t understand anything about these matters, but this is just crazy! 213 km! Moreover, I very much doubt that the MiG-29 pilot simply flew in a straight line, resigned to fate. Surely he was performing some maneuvers.

[skeptic]

Does anyone know at what distance the homing head (or target acquisition) starts working?

[Amateur]

Russian analyst Evgeny Damantsev

Is this the Damantsev who at one time wrote articles at VO using only English abbreviations?

[Khibiny Plastun]

This is all great. It’s just a pity that the Su-35-57 doesn’t have anti-missile missiles in its arsenal to destroy missiles fired at you. Lightweight, so that you could take several on board with a range of 7-10 km from the aircraft. It would be easier for the flyers to carry out their tasks.

[faridg7]

What's not to like about the P73?

[Khibiny Plastun]

You see, I like everything that benefits our people and harms the enemy. But I don’t remember that the R-73s were effective against Aster-Patriot-S300 air defense missiles.
And these missiles shot down our Sukhoi and the scarce A-50.
It would be better, of course, if the same “Pacer” was equipped with a Su30 radar and missiles, detected the radiation, and launched a missile. Even if in exchange, the pacer is on the Aster-Patri-Iriska launchers and radars.
But here are these Pacers, in the third year of the war...

[faridg7]

Well, if Rostec reported on the creation of this Pacer, then of course it exists on the one hand, but it has become a tradition that while Rostec triumphantly trumpets about exhibition samples of weapons, our guys on their knees, in field workshops, mold from shit and sticks what they really use to win on the battlefield, so I don’t see the point in talking about something that the troops don’t have.
Speaking of the downed Su and A50, when training Su 25 and Su34 pilots, the main emphasis is on combat maneuvering and the use of suppression and countermeasures to protect against SAM attacks, and their use of short-range high-explosive missiles is not even particularly emphasized. Moreover, the suspension of these missiles on them is not practiced (this also reduces the combat radius and combat load). The A50 aircraft is not adapted for their use at all. The losses of these aircraft, in my opinion, are due to the absolute failure of the command to comply with the tactics of using and protecting this aircraft. By the way, I am always amazed at the carelessness of our aircraft. Just the day before yesterday, I tried to spit poison when I read that our Su27 flew ALONE to identify and escort an English reconnaissance aircraft, escorted by two fighters. And there are plenty of such examples.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

Glory to the Russian Aerospace Forces! There's simply nothing more to say.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Netl

But in general, it’s a good thing, but very heavy (600 kg) and expensive. Initially it was developed against AWACS and the like, but in the current conditions it is necessary to hunt for MiGami.

Do not hold it on your knee.
Price? How much does a MiG-29 cost? And an estimate of the damage he would have caused using his on-board weapons?

[Illanatol]

Quote: Netl

There are big problems with communication stability in hypersound, since at such speeds the surrounding flow acquires the properties of a plasma cloud. That is why the main guidance system there is inertial. They write about radio correction in the descriptions, but nothing is known about its parametersrequest And, apparently, not everything is so rosy.

Of course, it’s not known, it’s a state secret .
The plasma density is unlikely to be high, and the permeability may differ in different wavelength ranges.
Well, creating an air-to-air missile with such a range is already an achievement. Not everyone has it.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Elephant

But if Mig did release an AGM-88B towards him.

The missile is intended for ground targets (radar, air defense systems). The probability of hitting a highly maneuverable air target is extremely low.

[faridg7]

The missile is designed, of course, to work against radar first of all, but it can work not only against radio emission sources, but also against radio contrast targets. An aircraft is just one thing and another, so purely theoretically - quite. If you take into account the speed (something around 4600 km/h), then there is of course a risk for a fighter, but most likely the missile was prepared for use against an air defense system.

[Emelyanov_Kirill]

This is what it is - news. Dear editors, stop printing nonsense - print the news. There are few of them, but they are very important. They should not get lost among what is already becoming your everyday life.

[vik669]

Quote: Emelyanov_Kirill

Dear editors

Dear editor! Maybe it would be better to talk about the reactor? There, about your favorite lunar tractor? After all, it’s impossible! - a year in a row...!

[Emelyanov_Kirill]

There’s no need to talk about this now. Nothing to anyone. This won't do any good. Neither about the lunar tractor, nor about the rest of the same.

[Iris]

I showed this news to my friends from the VKS and military-industrial complex. Both combat pilots and scientists and production workers. I never thought that swearing could be used in unison.

[faridg7]

Quote: Kasatik

I showed this news to my friends from the VKS and military-industrial complex. Both combat pilots and scientists and production workers. I never thought that swearing could be used in unison.

I would like more details (well, in order to expand my vocabulary)

[Hexenmeister]

I showed this news to my friends from the VKS and the military-industrial complex... you can use obscenities in unison

But it’s interesting that all these scientists and others have at least some relation to the issue under consideration??? For those who have, this is not news and not a record, but a repetition of the results of thirty years ago!!!

On August 18, 1993, a unique experiment was carried out to intercept and hit a target. Operating parameters: MiG-31M flight altitude - 13 m, speed - 400 m/s, Tu-669 target flight altitude - 16 m, speed - 10 m/s, target detection range - 300 km, missile launch range - 189 km.

[garri-lin]

A huge advantage of such events is the development of practical experience in application. I was surprised that they didn't use it. Yes, the goals are not very specialized, but experience. Experience. He's important.

[Force]

I didn't find any confirmation.

[kig]

it was new documented record for the range of hitting a target by an aircraft missile, set for the first time in history

documented by whom? Someday, what we call the SVO will end, we will read the records of the Ukrainian Air Force, and we will have documentary evidence.

[Illanatol]

Quote: faridg7

The missile is designed, of course, to operate primarily on radar, but can operate not only on radio sources, but also on radio-contrast targets. An airplane is both, so purely theoretically, quite.

Missiles designed to operate against stationary targets on the surface have low maneuverability characteristics - they simply do not need them. It is only possible to hit a modern fighter with such a weapon if the pilot is completely clueless or simply fell asleep at the controls.

[vik669]

New record - No comment! Dear editor, maybe it would be better to talk about the reactor? About your favorite lunar tractor? After all, it's impossible, for a year in a row They scare us with saucers, they say, the vile ones, they fly, Then you have ... Aliens shoot down an A-50 over the Sea of ​​Azov - you have to be more modest, gentlemen, after all, any serious business loves silence and not blah blah!

[22 dmdc]

We are waiting for the first hero to receive a payment for the downed faken.

[Gavrilo Princip]

So whether they shot down or didn’t shoot down, I don’t understand...