Automatic Mannlicher rifles chambered for smokeless powder

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Automatic Mannlicher rifles chambered for smokeless powder

Mannlicher automatic rifle 1891


... keep your voice from sobbing
and your eyes are full of tears,
for there is a reward for your labor,
says the Lord.

The book of the prophet Jeremiah, 31:16




stories about weapons. So, the automatic rifle created by Ferdinand Mannlicher in 1885 was not a success for him. And first of all, this happened because it was supposed to fire cartridges with black powder, and they are essentially not suitable for automatic weapons.

But he did not abandon his idea at all, he did not cry, but began to work on a new automatic rifle for the cartridges with smokeless powder that had already appeared. Thus was born his Model 1891 rifle with a moving barrel and traditional burst loading.

The rifle resembled a conventional rifle, which was very different from the awkward design of the Model 1885. When the bolt handle was pulled back, the bolt box remained open to load a pack into the magazine, that is, it used the familiar Mannlicher loading system. A lever at the end of the long trigger held the bolt in the retracted position. Pressure on the trigger lowered this lever, allowing the recoil spring to push the bolt forward to feed a round into the chamber. The trigger then had to be released before the shot could be fired.


The mechanism of a rifle from 1891. The shutter in the rear position is blocked by a sear. Return spring is compressed

Like the earlier model, this weapon was equipped with a barrel that rolled back in the barrel housing along with the bolt and was equipped with its own recoil spring, and also had a wedge locking. The bolt return spring was mounted directly behind it.

The bolt was disengaged from the barrel only after traveling a certain distance, after which the barrel returned to its previous position, and the bolt continued to move backward under the action of the accelerator, which in a slightly modified version was also borrowed from the previous model. The magazine at the bottom had a hole for the empty pack to fall out.


The mechanism of a rifle from 1891. The shutter is closed. The “cunning design” of the trigger is shown below

The cocking system was almost identical to the 1885 model. But due to changes in the design of the rifle, the trigger design was different. A special coil spring was provided, mounted on the upper end of the trigger, which acted as its return spring, while a long lever provided the hammer with contact with the sear. The distance that the barrel and bolt traveled after firing was much shorter than that of the 1885 rifle. When the rifle was loaded and ready to fire, the bolt and barrel were securely connected.

Of course, what was somewhat unusual was that you had to pull the trigger twice before the first shot - first to release the bolt and load the rifle, and only then to fire. But you could probably get used to it.

The rifle was simple, but the military did not like the lack of a bayonet, which interfered with the operation of the automation. Install on this Mannlicher rifle a horn magazine for 20-30 rounds, a trigger that allows automatic fire, and... you would get a real machine gun, and the first in the world.

However, this failure did not discourage the designer, and in 1893 he introduced a new automatic rifle with a fixed barrel and a rotating bolt.


Model 1893 rifle and bayonet

The new rifle was designed for the German M88 cartridge. The rifle's design foreshadowed the so-called "Blish system", later used in the Thompson semi-automatic rifle. In fact, it had a semi-free bolt - a longitudinally sliding bolt that was not engaged with a stationary barrel when fired.

In the standard bolt-action Mannlicher rifle design, the solid lugs on the front end of the bolt are guided into grooves as the bolt is pushed forward until they are against their locking sockets in the receiver. At this point, the bolt handle rotates all the way down, rotating the bolt and securely inserting the two locking tabs into their slots in the receiver itself directly behind the cartridge head. The rear surfaces of the lugs are supported by the walls of the receiver behind them. This is perhaps the most durable locking system ever created.

However, in the Model 93 semi-automatic rifle, although the bolt can be rotated up and back for manual operation just like a standard bolt-action rifle, it is designed somewhat differently.

The return spring is mounted behind the bolt and is compressed during rearward movement; she will push it forward to close it. Moreover, the locking lugs and grooves of the receiver are not cut out to completely secure the bolt to the barrel. That is, the pressure of gases on the bottom of the cartridge case and, accordingly, on the bolt, the latter begins to rotate and open, but with a noticeable slowdown, allowing the bullet to leave the barrel.


The mechanism of the Mannlicher rifle model 1893. Above: The bolt is open and the rifle is loaded. Below: the bolt is closed, the cartridge is in the chamber, and now all that remains is to pull the trigger to fire...

Theoretically, at the moment of firing, these "locking lugs" receive the necessary support in the receiver at the moment of the highest pressure in the bore.

As an additional factor in ensuring strong locking, a recoil spring mounted behind the bolt is coiled as it moves, helping to keep the bolt in the locked position.

The functioning of the trigger is complex. The rotating trigger operates through a very long trigger rod that is attached to a hook-shaped sear lever. This hook also serves to hold the bolt in the rear position when the bolt is opened manually for loading. When the bolt is rotated up and pulled back to load, a coil spring causes the sear hook to rise to engage the edge of the bolt head and hold it open. The return spring in the tube behind the bolt is compressed.

When you press the trigger, the bolt moves forward. This causes a rotating screw motion that forces the bolt lugs to move along the curved grooves of the receiver. In this case, the entire shutter rotates 90 degrees.

When the bolt moves back after firing, the recoil spring mounted in the tube at the rear of the bolt is compressed, the rear of the firing pin serving as a guide for this compression. As the bolt approaches the fully open position, the ejector, which passes through a slot in the bottom of the bolt head, strikes the bottom of the case and ejects it.

As the bolt moves forward, its lugs move along straight grooves and the cartridge is advanced into the chamber. The action is completed when the curved protrusions fall into the helical grooves and into their sockets. The cartridge is completely inserted into the chamber. All these operations occur at extreme speed, and the force with which empty cartridges are ejected is so great that they pose a significant danger to others.

Empty cartridges were sometimes observed to penetrate a quarter of an inch into trees or boards during testing on the range. Of course, no one liked this, although in general the mechanics of this rifle worked very well. But, obviously, it should have been very, very sensitive to clogging and sand and earth getting into its mechanism. But nothing prevented anyone from attaching any bayonet to this rifle and using it in the most traditional way for the military of that time!

By the way, a negative result is also a result, and it is important in terms of determining the most promising ways for the development of certain structures. Both the Mannlicher rifle with a semi-blowback and the later “Blish bolt”, originally used on the Thompson submachine gun, did not show any advantages over other systems, so other designers could no longer pay attention to such “devices”!


Schematic representation of the 1895 rifle (1,2) and its mechanism in section (3)

Mannlicher's next development followed in 1895. Moreover, it was a truly wonderful rifle. Many of its basic principles were embodied in the Ml Garand rifle and the Ml Winchester carbine.

This rifle, like many of Mannlicher's designs, was ahead of its time by almost half a century and was similarly underestimated. The bolt handle on it was part of a curved rod that moves in the side of the receiver on the left. The front of the rod was hollow to accommodate the spring. The head of the rod served as a gas piston. There was a hole in the barrel for the release of gases that ensured the operation of the automation. The magazine was open on the sides so that the shooter could immediately see if he had cartridges ready to fire.

During loading, the bolt handle on the right side was pulled back. In this case, the working spring inside the hollow rod was compressed. When the handle was pulled back, grooves on the surface of the rod caused the bolt to rotate to the left. This is how the barrel bore was unlocked.

When the handle is pulled back all the way, the firing pin is cocked at the rear of the bolt and held in this position by the sear along with the bolt. Then the pack of cartridges was inserted into the guides and pushed into the magazine. When the trigger was pressed, the working spring pulled the rod with the handle forward. The cartridge was fed into the chamber. Now the bolt head turned accordingly to the right, its protrusions were fixed in the cutouts of the receiver and fit snugly to the bottom of the cartridge.

The weapon was ready to fire. When he pressed the trigger, he released the trigger, it hit the firing pin, and a shot was fired. When the bullet passed over the gas hole, the gas came down into the gas cylinder, where it pressed on the piston head, that is, everything happened exactly the same as in modern gas-powered rifles.

One of the advantages of this rifle design was that in the event of failure of the automatic mechanism, for example due to reasons such as a clogged or corroded gas port, the gas piston lever could be manipulated manually like a standard bolt-action rifle.

In addition, it was possible to close the hole in the gas cylinder using a screw, thereby turning the self-loading rifle into a regular rifle with a sliding bolt and manual control.

In general, only the short-sighted policy of the Austrian army leaders prevented the adoption of this rifle for service.


Mannlicher rifle model 1900: 1 – right view, 2 – top view, 3 – cartridge clip, 4 – right view

Finally, in 1900, the last example of a Mannlicher self-loading rifle appeared. It also had a gas engine, with a small hole in the barrel less than five inches (127 mm) from the breech.

The piston in the gas chamber had a very short stroke, which only transmitted the shock to the rotating bolt. The impact of the piston forced the bolt to disengage and begin to move backward. Please note that in this design the piston did not accompany the bolt mechanism throughout its entire stroke, but only transmitted to it the recoil impulse necessary for the operation of all automation.


Internal structure of a 1900 rifle

Another feature of this design was the use of a Schönauer drum magazine, which provided full cartridge protection and ensured excellent feeding of flangeless cartridges. He also completely eliminated double feeding of the cartridge. The magazine was loaded from a clip, since the pack did not fit the drum magazine.

This rifle was also ahead of its time and was not produced in large quantities. But this was another important step towards creating modern automatic weapons.
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  1. +4
    27 July 2024 07: 32
    Two articles by Vyacheslav in one day are not bad in principle, but it would be bad to “suck a paw” in an information vacuum the next! Unfortunately, everyone has their own “top” of Authors, administrative and to raise their “libedo”, no one has canceled it either, but most comrades would like to see an even distribution among the branches: for example, in the history section, start the morning with a cup of coffee and an article by E. Vyashchenko, V. Ryzhev or V. Shpakrvsky, and opening the Armament section, look through the works of S. Linnik, E. Perov or Andrey from Chelyabinsk. However, on weekends I personally specifically look for A. Polymov’s opinions. His series about the streets, alleys and boulevards of the Capital is incomparable.
    Everything written above is “my cockroaches,” or “what” the cat lives in his “top with ears and mustaches.”
    Now to Vyacheslav’s work.
    I always wanted to understand the structure of the Schoenauer drum magazine. Neither in the author's old article from the "Countries and Continents" series, nor in this work there are no details. Although as a practitioner I understand the meaning of automatic fire with five rounds in the drum? Or was the last model with self-loading automation?
    1. +3
      27 July 2024 08: 31
      Or was the last model with self-loading automatic equipment?

      All the rifles described in the article were self-loading.
      1. +4
        27 July 2024 08: 47
        Thanks Victor! To be honest, I was confused by Vyacheslav’s comparison of the presented images with an assault rifle.
        I thought that I personally constantly missed the fact that early Mannlicher models had automatic fire.
    2. +5
      27 July 2024 09: 31
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      I always wanted to understand the structure of a Schönauer drum magazine

      Yes, there seems to be nothing complicated there - I don’t know if Vyacheslav posted this picture, it’s a Mannlicher-Schönauer only in a 6,5x54 section. 1900 I think
    3. +1
      28 July 2024 02: 39
      In addition to Alexey's picture.
      I did not find anything else.
  2. +1
    27 July 2024 09: 21
    Empty cartridges have sometimes been observed to penetrate a quarter of an inch into trees or boards during range testing.

    Well, of course they believe it belay . In general, the pulse of the cartridge is known, if you know the mass of the bolt, then calculating the speed (or rather the energy of the cartridge case) is not so difficult, you can get confused. but for it to be 6,35mm into the board, and even more so into raw wood - nope, excuse me laughing
    1. +1
      27 July 2024 21: 32
      Quote from Enceladus
      so that it is 6,35 mm into the board, and even more so into raw wood - nope, excuse me laughing

      If the sharp edge of the muzzle is like a semicircular chisel, then why not.. what
      1. 0
        27 July 2024 21: 34
        Yeah, up to the sleeve slope. Fresh addition, but hard to believe (C)
        1. +1
          27 July 2024 21: 41
          Quote from Enceladus
          Yeah, up to the sleeve slope. Fresh addition, but hard to believe (C)

          If by the edge, then it is quite possible. If you mean not the depth of penetration into the tree, but the length of the “hook”. They're supposed to spin in flight, right? This means that, by definition, they cannot enter an obstacle directly.
          1. 0
            27 July 2024 21: 46
            Well, one can only speculate... I don’t see the point in breaking spears here... I remember the weight of the cartridge, the mass of the bullet, the rest is the cartridge case... well, it has a maximum of 6-7 m/s with a weight and I don’t remember from 6 to 10 grams, well, that's not enough request
            1. +1
              27 July 2024 21: 55
              Quote from Enceladus
              6-7 m/s with weight and I don’t remember from 6 to 10 grams, well, that’s not enough request

              You can easily carry out an experiment: recalculate the speed by the height from which you need to throw this cartridge case down onto an inclined board, but I agree - it’s not worth it winked
              1. +1
                27 July 2024 22: 02
                By the way, my grandfather used to carry Arisaka... he spoke very highly of it... he is a weaker cartridge, of course.
                1. +1
                  27 July 2024 22: 06
                  I'm jealous) I didn't see my grandfathers, although my eldest grandfather still managed to fight in WWII, and then took part in the Iron Stream.
                  1. +1
                    27 July 2024 22: 10
                    On my mother’s side... my grandfather is the only one, he went through everything, and who survived, who was there... and that you can’t find any open information about me and him. Yes, I only started writing a little over a year ago. About fights... about a lot of things. In general, my grandfather went through almost the entire war with a captured Mauser infantry 98. I think it’s clear that even ordinary snipers weren’t allowed to be good ones back then soldier
                    1. +1
                      27 July 2024 22: 15
                      Quote from Enceladus
                      Yes, I only started writing a little over a year ago. About fights... about a lot of things.

                      Yes, it is important. Mine left a lot of photos about WWII. I saw them only when my father died, at a very mature age. For me it was like a trip in a time machine.
                      1. +1
                        27 July 2024 22: 20
                        Yes, my grandfather raised me, I saw my father in the 2nd grade from Afghanistan... But he never told me... My entire childhood was raised by my grandfather, there are also a lot of photos... In my case, no one survived in 1 on either side, and my grandfather's father was shot in 37, then rehabilitated... But I've been with weapons since childhood... it's my everything... now there haven't been any bastards for several years and I feel naked. It was easier in the USSR. I shot from that very Mauser, which was listed as a blank in the police. Well, I think there's no point in saying it feel I asked a couple of times a day... Grandfather, let me clean it.... laughing
                      2. 0
                        27 July 2024 22: 28
                        Quote from Enceladus
                        But I’ve been with a weapon since childhood... it’s my everything... now there’s been no fighting for several years and I feel naked.

                        And I have the opposite: a purely platonic love for weapons - how they are built, how rationally thought out, engineering solutions..., but I have practically never held one in my hands. Although my father graduated from the Tula weapons school, was a regimental gunsmith, but not for long. Then he was demobilized for civilian life, received a higher education, and began working at a research institute.
                      3. +1
                        27 July 2024 22: 35
                        Well, my mother prophesied to me... that I should go to Tula, I violated the current 222 at school, because both a lathe and milling machines, and industrial ones, and D4 could be bought and there was gunpowder... in general, our hands were not bored... the arsenal at that time... TX-62, I started with it... well, I think it is not worth mentioning Margolin, I don’t remember any small rifles... somehow I was generally against it and didn’t like it.. well, I was still a kid... the first serious one is Bars 1 of course... a drop of nicotine kills a horse, and its bullet tears a hare to pieces.... if I had known.. I wouldn’t have shot... then IZH 27 E1S in 16... I myself always collected cartridges even for duck in starch... Sunar or Bars gunpowder. weighed everything... I always liked the process itself, equipment and cleaning... felting felt boots.... Who knew that I would end up hunting on two legs like my grandfather. Maybe he was preparing me for this. After all, I made my first shot in my life with that very Mauser and a bunch of notches on the butt and loaded the cartridge myself and cast the bullet...
                      4. +1
                        27 July 2024 22: 44
                        Who is imprisoned for what? This is from birth already. Now I look at my grandson - he is two years old today, and his character is already in all its glory, his own.
                      5. +1
                        27 July 2024 22: 52
                        Yes, the second time my grandfather didn’t have beams, anemometers, etc. That’s why I sometimes went hunting myself, and without a second number there’s no time to measure everything...you shoot by instinct.
                  2. +1
                    27 July 2024 22: 14
                    By the way, the microwave reviews have come... I can’t speak... but here it’s clearly a Kalash media... the reviews are mixed... According to the results, there is no sense in the upper lover, the barrels are +- in terms of accuracy... in general, it’s a waste of time. request
                    Well, actually, as I initially said... I haven’t touched it myself yet, with our ZOO it’s unlikely that it will work out...
                    1. +1
                      27 July 2024 22: 20
                      Quote from Enceladus
                      In general, sew and soap. request
                      ..

                      Well, in theory it should be massive, but mass weapons, by definition, cannot have super-advantages.
                      1. +1
                        27 July 2024 22: 25
                        It just made sense to change, I was away from the SVU for almost 2 years (well, to differentiate it I call it SVDU, why they removed the name Dragunov, I don’t understand, the gas block, the shutter is the same, just a bullpup request Yes, it was inconvenient, sometimes the exhaust flies into my eyes..., I mostly walked with the bear and the tirga, although in the end I didn’t use it even once when hunting... even when the wolf was there once and got hit in the neck, I didn’t shoot. 1 combat shot was fired from an SVDU. 1/4... if you understand what I mean in the first battle. soldier
  3. +3
    27 July 2024 11: 27
    Finally, in 1900, the last example of a Mannlicher self-loading rifle appeared.

    Apparently, this is not the last model. In 1905, Mannlicher's widow received a patent for a self-loading rifle chambered for 7,92 mm. The rifle's automatic mechanism is the same as that of the 1896 pistol, adapted for a more powerful cartridge. It was believed that the only surviving example of a rifle with such automatic mechanism is stored in NFC, Leeds, UK. On the website about this rifle there was a rewrite of an article from forgottenweapons, spoiled by a fair dose of verbiage.
    However, several years ago, at one of the auctions in the United States, a carbine of a similar device with serial number 1 was lit up. It’s difficult to say what kind of ammunition, the auction description says “a shortened cartridge of 9,3 mm caliber.” Date of production - 1905. The manufacturer is someone August Locc Söhne, who has not yet been identified.
    The owner stated that the carbine was brought as a trophy by his father from Germany.
  4. +3
    27 July 2024 11: 51
    In general, only the short-sighted policy of the Austrian army leaders prevented the adoption of this rifle for service.

    On the one hand, yes, the military's inertia played its role. On the other hand, they can be understood, neither metallurgy nor mechanical engineering were ready for mass production of such complex models of small arms at that time. It is no coincidence that none of the first self-loading rifles of the late 19th - early 20th century "took off", neither the Italian Cei-Rigotti, nor the British Griffiths & Woodgate, nor the Danish-British Rexer/Schouboe, nor the French Darche and a number of other designs.
    1. +3
      27 July 2024 22: 47
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      Neither metallurgy nor mechanical engineering at that time were ready for the mass production of such complex types of small arms.

      As for me, one non-standard cartridge for the Austro-Hungarians was quite enough not to be accepted into service. request
  5. 0
    27 July 2024 12: 03
    "Where is your manlicher?
    -Manlicher? - Grishchenko asked and scratched behind his ear.
    "Green Van"
  6. 0
    27 July 2024 12: 04
    “The weapons designed by Mannlicher are mentioned in many literary and artistic works. Thus, in “Port Arthur” by A. Stepanov, they talk about “old Chinese rifles” (we are talking about Mannlicher rifles, inherited from the troops of the Qing Empire). Policeman Grishchenko in “ The Green Van" by A. Kozachinsky is armed with a Mannlicher rifle. Mannlicher rifles under the disparaging name "Manlicherovka" are mentioned in the novel by Jaroslav Hasek "The Adventures of the Good Soldier Švejk". In Hemingway's story "The Short Happiness of Francis Macomber" the main character is killed by his own wife with this rifle. appear in various domestic and foreign films. Among domestic films, we mention “Battleship Potemkin” (1925), “Ivan Nikulin - Russian Sailor” (1944), “Green Van” (1983). Foreign films - “Badge of Valor” (1980), “. Uprising" (2001), "Battle of Warsaw 1920" (2011), etc. The most famous films in which the Mannlicher-Schönauer carbine is shown are: "The Longest Day" (1962) and "Schindler's List" (1993). Occasionally, Mannlicher pistols are seen in films. In particular, they can be seen in the English mini-series "Reilly: King of Spies" (1983), the Russian series "The Fall of an Empire" (2005)." (c)
  7. 0
    27 July 2024 12: 05
    Quote from Enceladus
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    I always wanted to understand the structure of a Schönauer drum magazine

    Yes, there seems to be nothing complicated there - I don’t know if Vyacheslav posted this picture, it’s a Mannlicher-Schönauer only in a 6,5x54 section. 1900 I think

    It turns out Blazer's store has its own name. Did not know.
    Although I don't see any advantages over a regular two-row magazine.
    Rather, it’s a drawback: it’s unlikely that you can put even a dozen rounds of ammunition into such a magazine.
    The Blazer has a capacity of 3 to 5 rounds, depending on the caliber.
  8. 0
    27 July 2024 22: 44
    Everything is great, but the entire text of the magazine’s equipment is called loading.
  9. 0
    30 July 2024 10: 52
    I’ll be a little obvious. The main problem is the excess power of rifle cartridges and maintaining the mass dimensions of standard rifles. As we know, it was only towards the end of the 30s that sufficiently reliable samples appeared. Regarding the inertia of the military, just creaking their hearts and pressing a toad on the consumption of cartridges, magazine bolts were accepted, machine guns were perceived as useless by many theorists, the example of Dragomirov, and he was quite authoritative in the Russian Empire.
  10. 0
    1 August 2024 21: 03
    Mannlicher M1895 rifle: a controversial repeater of our great-grandfathers
    The main weapon of the Austro-Hungarian soldiers during the First World War was the Mannlicher M1895 rifle. At the time of its inception they spoke of it as completely revolutionary, but the reality of the war then presented a slightly different picture...
    Most repeating rifles use a rotary action, requiring the shooter to perform a relatively complex sequence of several movements. However, in 1885, Ferdinand von Mannlicher proposed a (supposedly) revolutionary forward action, with which this drawback was supposed to disappear. The Austro-Hungarian Army was enthusiastic about this and the following year adopted the M1886 rifle with this principle. After several changes, the M1895 type was created, with which our ancestors subsequently went to the First World War.

    Easy handling
    The main element of the Mannlicher system was the bolt-breech assembly. The inner walls of the breech had ridges that fit into helical grooves on the surface of the breech, so direct movement of the breech caused the breech to rotate within the breech. Thus, the backward movement of the bolt ensured the opening and ejection of an empty cartridge, and the forward movement ensured the insertion of a new cartridge and the closing of the mechanism. am