There's no arguing about rates. Bets are placed

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There's no arguing about rates. Bets are placed


Real, although not fatal


Don’t look for a typo in the title - monetary policy in Russia today is not at all tough, but simply cruel. Cruel to everyone who still claims some kind of independence or, God forbid, economic independence.



Almost any leader from the real sector who does not have “friends” either in banks or in government will confirm this to you. However, there are probably only a few of these people left in Russia; the rest are just waiting to join the “chosen ones,” about which a little more will be said below.

So, at the next meeting of the Bank of Russia board on July 26, we can expect a new increase in the key rate. Now it remains at the level of 16% per annum, which was set seven months ago. Most experts are inclined to forecast a rate increase of 2 percent to 18%.

Why did the Central Bank of the Russian Federation start talking again, and most likely, will they take a concrete decision to tighten measures to combat inflation? Or is she about to jump so hard that it doesn’t seem too small?

Prices in Russia, as is known, tend to rise regardless of lending rates and exchange rates.

However, this does not in the least prevent our financiers in power, relying on other people’s successes in the economy, which were achieved “not thanks to, but in spite of,” to continue to pursue their line of burning out everything that does not bend specifically to them.

The Russian Central Bank is like that caravan from the parable that goes on, not paying attention to everyone who is still barking. There are fewer and fewer of them, but the authors are just one of them. Our opponents, ardent supporters of tight monetary policy, frankly like the Central Bank’s line, even very much, but we don’t really like it.

Let’s admit – not even “very much”, although so far the system, oddly enough, is working. But it works specifically in the Russian economy – an economy for the elite. And since, as it turns out, our chosen ones are the majority, it not only works, but also works.

But this is temporary


However, alas, doubts remain that all this is only temporary. However, there is absolutely nothing strange in what is happening in Russia during the SVO years, because sanctions, price ceilings and disconnections from SWIFT are not about that at all.

After all, someone who fights with the dollar and with the Fed only for the sake of the fight itself is also seriously touched only for the “appearance of a fight.” Well, let’s say they will no longer be named among the best bankers in the world.

So what? Well, they will close the shop for stamping dollars directly in Russia. Again - so what?

Today, at least a trillion “green” or “multi-colored” ones can be generated with a couple of clicks on a computer. And then blame everything on a failure in the global Microsoft system.

One of the analysts very elegantly formulated that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation generally does not have a great need to raise rates: “the inflation picture has stopped deteriorating and continues the June normalization trends, remaining at elevated levels.”

However, it is unlikely that anyone at the Central Bank or the Ministry of Finance will listen to such people. In both offices, for a long time, and even more so since the beginning of the SVO, they have imagined themselves to be some kind of economic gurus who read and listen, it seems, only to what is brought down to them from the very top. Or else, you know where - Our Central Bank is the most central bank in the world

How long will the Central Bank essentially strangle the real economy in favor of the financial sector is a question that many are asking today, but to which few have an answer. Most likely, no one has.

Indeed, what is more important now is not the rate increase itself, starting with the key one, but how long the real sector will be forced to suffer. After all, he’s not dying yet. Moreover, no one is going to curtail the practice of active budgetary stimulation - the SBO demands it.

The Bank of Russia is again allowed to tighten both its medium-term forecast and its rhetoric. Whether Elvira Nabiullina’s team will achieve a sustainable reduction in inflation, and at the same time the rate of lending and domestic demand, is another question. Don't run into a recession in the economy.

But very expensive


One of the main arguments in favor of high rates and their further increase are deposit rates. In banks, of course, where else? Experts such as Alexander Razuvaev from the guild of financiers or Olga Belenkaya, head of macroeconomic analysis at Finama, do not hesitate to regularly call them record-breaking.

But, excuse me, they are still obviously lower than credit in the same commercial banks. And under no circumstances – not higher than the key rate of the Central Bank. But the main thing is not even this, but how people are given, or rather, sold, these loans and how these deposits are provided.

And here and there there is so much, again - sorry, there is so much snot that then at least hang yourself. And insurance commensurate in amount with the loan itself and with the deposit itself. And sometimes more. And service fees, and other pleasant little things that guarantee that no one here will get rich just like that.

Going bankrupt is as much as you want, that’s why collectors are on the market, so that creditors don’t sleep. As chess players usually say, it was necessary to count in the opening.

And besides, the numbers speak for themselves - despite the rise in rates, people take out loans more actively than they make deposits, as they once did during the Union - in Sberbank. The debt burden of the public, that is, the amount of loans taken by the people, and not by enterprises, is several times higher than the amount of the public’s deposits in banks.

Even official statistics do not deny this. To put it simply, the vast majority of the population does not have enough wages and pensions. It’s just not enough to live on, although for some it’s not enough to buy a new Porsche.

One of the great economists of our time, it seems, John Galbraith, surprised the world with the statement that the Roman Empire fell not at all under the pressure of barbarians, but because of the dominance of usurers, money changers and speculators. But we do not have an empire, or even the Soviet Union, and the collapse of Rome, in fact, dragged on for centuries. Well, shall we continue to drag it out?
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  1. +9
    26 July 2024 04: 03
    Alas, alas...while the country is marking time in all directions...one cannot expect any bright breakthrough achievements.
    Banks and their loans are ours... these bloodsuckers will strangle any good initiative for our people in the bud.
  2. +6
    26 July 2024 05: 02
    Banks, I believe, are the main world evil. Yes, loans seem to help many, but nevertheless banks receive their interest for nothing. That is, they are parasitic structures. I understand that they have to make a profit. Okay, let them get it. 1% of the loan amount, plus the cost of the sheets of paper on which the agreement was printed, as well as the salary of the clerk who printed this agreement. For 1 hour of his work. I consider the remaining interest that the client pays to the bank for nothing to be outright robbery.
    1. +2
      28 July 2024 21: 02
      Investments in production are necessary, yes. But in addition to loans, shares, investments of profits and much more are possible, where can you find an explanatory textbook. And banks are blatant legalized robbery. Loan (bank) interest was once prohibited by both religions and authorities, but it’s difficult there. Another way of inflation is to issue a loan unsecured by real assets, with which you can buy something real. That is, unsecured money.
  3. +4
    26 July 2024 05: 14
    Today, at least a trillion “green” or “multi-colored” ones can be generated with a couple of clicks on a computer. And then blame everything on a failure in the global Microsoft system.

    No failures, everything is within the limits of future Russian legislation. By consuming a significant amount of electricity and converting it into heat by miners, we get a virtual currency that is not backed by anything.
    What was designed to hide the movement of finance has quickly become a very profitable industry. Bits are turned, bits are turned, bits are turned into wealth
    1. 0
      26 July 2024 05: 29
      smile
      Bits are turned, bits are turned, bits are turned into wealth

      With a slight movement of the hand, the pants turn into shorts.
    2. -1
      28 July 2024 21: 38
      Specifically, the digital ruble actually works against banks, because now all non-cash essentially belongs to the banks, and they can dispose of them as they please. In the case of a digital ruble, banks as such will disappear from this chain, since money will no longer be impersonal.
  4. +7
    26 July 2024 05: 21
    Banks are evil. Since the 2008 crisis, they have not paid for themselves. This requires 5% growth in the world economy, but this has not happened in any year.
    I think, hope and believe that our Russian state will be cleared of servants in its management (lawyers, bankers and economists, etc.). And it will be led by engineers, technicians, builders, software creators and natural scientists (chemists, geologists, physicists, geographers and others).
    1. +3
      26 July 2024 06: 51
      And they will be led by engineers, technicians, builders, creators
      This often comes to my mind too
    2. +9
      26 July 2024 09: 14
      They won't get up. For the only value of capitalism, and its only indicator of any activity, is loot. All the huge variety of human relationships is reduced only to him. And in such a situation, by definition, those who own this indicator will rule.

      If you don’t want the power of the banksters, you will have to return socialism. There is no other way and there never will be.
      1. +6
        26 July 2024 12: 06
        Quote: paul3390
        If you don’t want the power of the banksters, you will have to return socialism. There is no other way and there never will be.

        Well, it’s interesting that our people were separated by 1991, “democracy”, “perestroika”... Instead of democracy, they got capitalism, and instead of the Soviet Union, a fake CIS, which was passed off as renewal. Next comes predatory privatization, often a raider takeover. They got the newly-minted masters of the country, the oligarchs, many of whom were in one way or another connected with crime, or even direct descendants of it, selfishness, the most important thing. We have what we have.
        Capitalism is a religion. Where banks are the church. Bankers are priests. Wealth is paradise. Poverty is hell. Rich in saints. Poor sinners. Material wealth is a blessing. Money by God.
        Miguel D. Lewis.
    3. 0
      30 July 2024 13: 05
      Quote: bya965
      our Russian state will be cleared of servants in its administration (lawyers, bankers and economists, etc.). And they will be led by engineers, technicians, builders, software creators and natural scientists (chemists, geologists, physicists, geographers and others)

      in general - the first ones existed in the USSR and no one saw evil in them... maybe we just need to create jobs with decent pay and not have to blame the “lawyers” for everything?
  5. +2
    26 July 2024 06: 08
    It has never happened that a manufacturing enterprise survived, including through charity. Now this happens at those enterprises that have begun producing new equipment. Money simply needs to be linked to the production of real products. Otherwise, the money will be on its own, and everything new will be on its own .
  6. 10+
    26 July 2024 06: 19
    The vast majority of the population lacks wages and pensions. There's just not enough to live on
    And Rosstat said just now that the population has enough to eat. And finally, “We live well, our health is good.” (c) etc..
  7. 0
    26 July 2024 06: 31
    That not many people noticed Nabiulina’s words at SPIEF, enterprises of the real economy showed a profit of 32 trillion rubles (what kind of loans are you even thinking with your head?).
  8. +4
    26 July 2024 07: 00
    I had a friend whose father-in-law was about ninety years old, and when he looked out of the window onto the street he said, “how did the king allow all this?”
    And now the question is who allowed the state we are in?
    Another question is, are we partners with the authorities or a herd of sheep from whom the wool is sheared?
    The financial authorities behave like thimble-makers in any case, to rip off hard workers and production workers and peasants.
    All the troubles come from the offices of effective managers and henchmen of big capital, just like all over the world.
    The normal rate on loans and deposits is 3-4%. Above this is speculation and a brake on the work of the state economy, or as they used to say, the national economy.
    The depreciation of the ruble, inflation after 91 is the greatest fraud, robbery of the country's population in our history, and even in the world.
    Another question is that we need to denominate the ruble, return rubles and kopecks. For the general population, the exchange is one to one; for the oligarchs, one to ten or even one to a hundred, or even higher.
    Distribute all the housing that has not been sold for years to orphans, families with many children, disabled people in the Northern Military District, doctors, teachers, lecturers. And don’t be afraid to bankrupt the hucksters in the housing market.
    Housing prices lead to real labor costs for its construction. Member of the CPSU since 1976 soldier
  9. -3
    26 July 2024 08: 22
    There is a great groan in Rus' - the loan rate is too high. This groan comes from those who are used to living on credit, and now cannot refinance, since the rate is rising and each subsequent loan is more expensive than the previous one, but I would like it the other way around, because it’s a freebie.

    Guardians of production say that high rates destroy this very production, for some reason forgetting that even with low rates real production did not revive.

    And it is very convenient to blame the Central Bank for all economic problems, which keeps the rate high, thus saving the ruble.

    And from their point of view, people are right - if the rate is lowered and the ruble collapses, then they will pay off their loans very quickly, since they took out loans with real money, and will pay with cut and painted paper.

    In this case, the remaining production will be completely abandoned, because with each production cycle the products will cost less than the resources for the next cycle.

    True, people with ruble deposits will suffer, the very poor will suffer, and the state will turn into a beggar, as it was in a certain period of our history and not so long ago.

    For some reason, no one remembers that it is not the Central Bank that is responsible for the success of the economy, but a ministry with the funny name “Ministry of Economic Development”. However, it’s clear why - the Ministry of Economic Development does not give loans and does not determine the rate...
    1. +2
      26 July 2024 09: 21
      Name then who, in your opinion, is to blame for this situation, who holds the reins and controls the troika, Russia? Who, as Raikin said, is responsible for the crookedly tailored suit? hi
  10. +7
    26 July 2024 09: 35
    I think that the refinancing rate is indirectly related to real inflation and, moreover, the refinancing rate is real inflation. And not what Russian citizens are being told about official inflation.
    The Central Bank sees this very well, so there will be “an increase in the rate by 2 percent at once - up to 18%.

    The population will be informed that everything is fine: inflation growth is insignificant.

    ...Moscow. July 10. INTERFAX.RU - Inflation in Russia in June 2024 amounted to 0,64% after 0,74% in May, 0,50% in April, 0,39% in March, 0,68% in February and 0,86% in January, Rosstat reported on Wednesday.

    In January-June 2024, prices increased by 3,88% (in June 2023, inflation was 0,37%, and in January-June 2023 - 2,76%).

    Inflation in June 2024 turned out to be lower than analysts' expectations - the consensus forecast of economists surveyed by Interfax for the month was 0,72%.

    Annual inflation, according to Rosstat, accelerated in June to 8,59% from 8,30% at the end of May,...
    https://www.interfax.ru/business/970221
    1. +5
      26 July 2024 09: 57
      Rosstat lives in another virtual reality, where everything is fine, and where not a single family has enough money for food. The reality is that rampant robberies and theft have begun in our gardening. They take everything, food and tools. Even Doshirak and a rusty tool. This hasn't happened for quite some time. I stood in line at a gas station and noticed people were taking 5-10 liters of gasoline. Only for essential trips.
      1. +4
        26 July 2024 11: 03
        It depends on the place. I see how Lambas and Ferraris refueled to a full tank with 100, and they still refuel. And there, for a minute, 70 liters goes in there, and it burns out in 3-5 days (depending on the dope).
        In general, I have been observing an interesting picture for a long time. The longer the SVO goes on, the more new supercars appear on the streets (I haven’t seen the Zonda yet, but I think I’ll see you soon). And they behave worse and worse - oncoming traffic and red traffic no longer stop anyone, even under cameras. The interpretation of this turns out to be very funny.
        1. +2
          27 July 2024 08: 51
          Everything is according to the classics - at sharp turns of history, the poor become poor, the rich grow fat.
  11. -1
    26 July 2024 11: 22
    Quote: V.
    Name then who, in your opinion, is to blame for this situation, who holds the reins and controls the troika, Russia? Who, as Raikin said, is responsible for the crookedly tailored suit? hi


    In what situation exactly is who to blame? What is the situation and who is in trouble? What's not to like about the suit?

    Social injustice? Capitalism is to blame.

    Debt burden of the population? The debt-ridden population who cannot live within their means is to blame. The generation will go bankrupt and die out in poverty, the next will be more careful.

    Lack of competitive production? On the one hand, this is the result of the mistakes of past governments, and on the other hand, it is the fault of the current government, which has been in power for so long that it could correct the situation. But the authorities reflect the interests primarily of the “elite”, and they do not really need production. So modern capitalism is also to blame.
    1. +1
      27 July 2024 09: 15
      It seems like news for you that the Central Bank discount rate is, first of all, the interest rate at which the country’s central bank provides loans to commercial banks. And the higher it is, the higher the interest rate charged by commercial banks for the loans they provide.
      At the same time, the process of “killing” the domestic producer is automatically accelerated, and this creates a need to import into the country goods that are necessary, but not available due to the cessation of their production at home. To purchase these goods, currency is needed, the influx of which is ensured by the sale of raw materials and natural resources. So, if it’s quite simple, but this is the answer to the question - “who is to blame?”
  12. 0
    26 July 2024 12: 34
    It’s not clear why the Central Bank even has a board of directors. Secondly, subordination must go to the president, the head of the Ministry of Finance and the government. The number of banks over 100 is generally nonsense. One regional (essentially the local treasury of the region or region). Vneshtorg is a bank through which all currency and settlements with other countries should go. Without the Ministry of Foreign Trade, all purchases and sales abroad and no direct trade by private traders. Selling only surplus and purchasing only what does not grow with us. Absolutely all minerals are mined here. Then it will be a clear economic model. We don’t give our own money for development. They take it abroad and, in order to take it there, they must sell it at home at world prices. So we get expensive metal and cars, for example. Until private owners from abroad were allowed to carry whatever they wanted, there were no problems.
    1. 0
      28 July 2024 21: 30
      It’s just that then the economy will come to a standstill, there will be a commodity shortage like when there is a scoop with a couple of pickles on the counter. Fantasies about the fact that everything is mined in the country, everything is growing and everything is produced by pure populism.
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        1. 0
          29 July 2024 06: 41
          Iran and North Korea have long been Chinese markets; the latter is completely dependent on China. Well, the experience of the USSR showed the unviability of isolationism, although the USSR at least had the opportunity to buy an entire automobile plant from Italy, and the ATS countries were at hand, but in Russia the situation is worse. Globalization has won because it is economically efficient; another thing is that Russia was simply thrown out of global production chains using non-market methods. Now the only option is to make any concessions for the sake of lifting sanctions on technology, otherwise we will finally slide into the role of a raw materials appendage of China, like Iran, or worse, in the DPRK.
          1. -1
            29 July 2024 12: 18
            Market Iran and North Korea?! Didn't you mix up anything? Maybe it's the other way around commodity markets? Haven’t you thought why the United States buys “heavy water” from Iran even though it puts pressure on oil and so on with sanctions?! Are you also not aware of the percentage of titanium supplies from the Russian Federation to aircraft factories around the world? About neon, which is needed for the production of microchips, who supplies the most?! Where does sapphire glass for smartphones come from? Which Nokia tire plant provided 80% of its supplies to the world market?! Effective?! Globalization has won?! That is, the problem with delivering goods to Europe from China not through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal has become even more profitable?! Do you see it’s more convenient to go to the neighboring yard for a loaf of bread by taxi?! Live at one end of the city, work at the other, take children to kindergarten or school at the third end of the city. For example, on a weekend, would it be more convenient for you to fly from Ufa to Perm via Moscow with transfers at different airports in Moscow? Ordering original spare parts for Toyota from the United Arab Emirates through Kazakhstan is also easier than ever?! Globalization is absolute nonsense.
  13. +3
    26 July 2024 13: 56
    A slogan was born that would obviously be recognized as extremist and banned in the Russian Federation:
    "Beat the people - save the economy!"
    But it will be he who will be incarnated.
  14. 0
    26 July 2024 14: 22
    OK it's all over Now. The Central Bank raised the rate to 18%.
    And at the end of the year it predicts 19.4%. So that. Now let's live.
    The entire fund will go into deposits. But what about Putin’s promises to double the MICEX index? laughing
    1. 0
      26 July 2024 19: 51
      I want to say what monetary indicators in the conditions of instability of the world economy and the Russian economy are hardly predictable and even the Central Bank cannot really predict this. These are: the ruble exchange rate, the inflation index, the interest rate of the Central Bank and on deposits and loans from commercial banks.
      1. 0
        26 July 2024 20: 04
        Well, where and what kind of instability occurs in the world economy and where is the instability in Russia?
        There are no changes at the front, thank God there are no fatal natural disasters. Trump hasn't arrived yet
        and Biden hasn't left yet. Who is pushing the Central Bank to escalate the situation in the country? Who is kicking the head of the Central Bank in the ass? "Name sister, name!" bully
        1. 0
          26 July 2024 20: 12
          Well, where and what kind of instability occurs in the world economy and where is the instability in Russia?

          All this is on the surface. Oil and gas prices fluctuate very seriously. Because of this, foreign exchange earnings also fluctuate greatly, which leads to fluctuations in the exchange rate of the ruble against the currency.
          1. 0
            26 July 2024 20: 28
            What does the ruble to foreign currency exchange rate have to do with it? Why marry a giraffe to an antelope? Nothing happened in the country, and abroad that the price of gas doubled or, on the contrary, fell by half?
            Prices fluctuate constantly up and down by pennies or cents on the world market. Where is the airbag, damper?
            We've been playing with this market. bully
  15. 0
    26 July 2024 19: 45
    But there is no need to write on this specific topic without really knowing banking. For amateurs, this topic is even murkier than war.
    1. +2
      26 July 2024 20: 13
      Amateurs unconsciously feel that they want to cut their hair again and maybe cut off some more skin.
  16. 0
    28 July 2024 08: 33
    Quote: vadimtt
    OK it's all over Now. The Central Bank raised the rate to 18%.


    If you raise the rate, inflation will rise. A more expensive loan is higher than the price of the product produced (which includes the cost of the loan). As prices rise, inflation will also rise.
    Lowered the bid - too much money, not enough product coverage. Inflation, welcome!

    In any case, the “invisible hand of the market” strives to form a combination of three fingers directed towards the “working masses”.
  17. 0
    28 July 2024 08: 35
    Quote: Alexey Lantukh
    But there is no need to write on this specific topic without really knowing banking. For amateurs, this topic is even murkier than war.


    It was the gentlemen bankers who deliberately made the topic very muddy.
    Well, of course, it’s easier to catch goldfish in troubled waters.
  18. +2
    29 July 2024 15: 54
    It is a common economic truth that to develop a business, especially the production of anything, you need a low rate. Compare the rates here and in other countries, the level of which we are trying to strive for. The cost of borrowing money should be as low as possible. In our country, with such a rate, no production will survive. Business owners will transfer everything to the consumer through an increase in prices, hence again a new inflationary wave, only with a delay of several months. Instead of increasing supply, they are simply trying to kill demand with high prices, that’s all