Who are the Cossacks?

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Who are the Cossacks?From the Editor (Dear Edge): When people with a similar question are addressed to the Russian people, both to non-Cossacks, and to many Cossacks, the answers are very diverse: Cossacks are a class or kind weapons, or people, etc. Regiment. S.V. Boldyrev, in his Cossack Historical Calendar for 1956, posted an article on this topic, which is given below. Later it was reprinted in the 2-th volume of "Kaz. Dictionary-Directory".

To this question, some will say: "The Cossacks are the people," others will answer in the spirit of Russian textbooks. stories after 1835, the "this class", the third - "the Cossacks are the best cavalry in the world," while regular cavalrymen will clarify that the Cossacks are "the fourth regiments of our divisions." Some believe that the Cossacks are a type of weapon, a military community, an ethnic group, etc., while the Yenisei governor Stepanov calls us a “guide” in his book “Description,” ed. 1835

In addition, these answers depend on the time and situation. For example, during the war, “the Cossacks are superheroes,” and the war ended - “the Cossacks are rude and uneducated people.” After the 1905 revolution, looking at anyone you ask: "The Cossacks are a stronghold of the throne and order," the monarchists will answer, the socialists will say: "They are Black Hundreds, royal guardsmen, gendarmes," etc. During the civil war, the Bolsheviks said: national power, "and now in emigration, if the Cossacks do not pursue their policies," "the Cossacks are Russian people," for some even "the best Russian people." When the Cossacks are engaged in their social and political work, they immediately fall into the "independent supporters". If at the same time they publish their newspapers and magazines, where they write about the old Cossack identity and independence of the past and the future, then these immediately fall into the "Cossacks". Such conclusions are due to the fact that all these people have never been interested in and do not want to be interested in genuine Cossack history.

Let us briefly review these provisions.

Suppose that the Cossacks are a kind of weapon, cavalry.

Many say: "In Russia, there were: infantry, cavalry, artillery ..., well, there were Cossacks." To this we can answer that the Cossacks, because, in addition to the horse regiments, there was their own Cossack infantry - the scouts, first from the Kuban and Zabaykaltsevs, and in the Great War of the 1914-18. and Dontsov. And besides this, Dontsov, Kubantsev, Tertsev, Orenburgtsev, Uraltsy and Zabaykaltsev had their own artillery. It already turns out - three kinds of weapons.

Whoever reads the Cossack story knows that in the old Cossacks had their own boat rowing flotilla. Even the chieftain Yermak in the Livonian war at Ivan the Terrible stood in "ship rati". In 1696, the Don flotilla at Azov gave Tsar Peter the first naval victory. Therefore, Admiral Kedrov, the naval writer Tereshchenko, and others recognized the Cossacks as the first Russian teachers in maritime affairs. It turns out that there are already four types of weapons, and whoever reads the story knows that during the capture of Kazan (1552) and near Azov in 1637, the Cossacks had subversive teams.

This is a distant past. But recall the civil war 1917-20's. "The Cossacks then had not only their own infantry, cavalry, artillery, engineering units, armored vehicles and trains, but also a small air flotilla. We ourselves read about the heroism of the Don pilots Bogatyryov, Baranov, Popov and others. In the newspapers of that time. When Ataman Krasnov The Don Flotilla was also formed, led by Admirals Gerasimov and Kononov. From the above, we see that the Cossacks cannot be referred to as weapons of any kind in the military sense, because this is about the whole army and navy. - People!

Were the Cossacks an estate?

Not to mention the Russians and Ukrainians, some Cossacks, for whom the conclusions of the textbooks of Ilovaisky, Platonov, and other Russian historians, who consider the Cossacks as a real estate, are quite authoritative, are of little interest. But we all know that the estates in Russia are regulated by patterns of Western Europe only by Peter I and Catherine II. Prior to this, in the Moscow kingdom, indeed, there was a division into different social strata, like boyars, nobles, townspeople, serfs, black-nosos, bonded, etc., but these are not estates in our understanding. But the Cossacks historically existed for several centuries and before the regulations of Peter I. What were they then considered?

We know that the Cossacks took part in the Battle of Kulikovo (1380), and Karamzin, the "father of Russian history," takes even earlier, saying: "The Cossacks, in any case, are more ancient than the Batu invasions" (1237). A Russian historian Tatischev reports that the Cossacks existed during the Khazar Empire. What class did they belong to then? What class belonged to the well-known stories of the Cossacks-chieftains Sarah Azman, Susar, Melih, Ermak, Semyon Dezhnev and others?

Generally, about the estates: can we count in several at once? Everyone knows that in every state-state its citizen can belong to only one estate. For example the Russian peasant belonged to the peasant class; but he got rich on the ground, abandoned his farm, bought a shop, got the rights to trade and the "guild". Now he is a merchant, not a peasant. Then his son graduated from the seminary and, becoming a priest, was transferred from the merchant to the ecclesiastical estate; the brother of this, as the son of a merchant, could get an officer’s rank from a military school and, after a career increase, he was enrolled in the nobility, and was excluded from the merchant's office, since at the same time it was impossible to consist in two classes that were different in rights.

How did the Cossacks deal with this estate question? Cossacks in free societies never had class divisions. They were equal among themselves, as the citizens of their Cossack land. Whatever position each of them occupied, it remained equal between equals. But the Russian government, wanting to break the Cossack people's monolith, based on their full equality, as well as in order to complete Russification and general imperial leveling, began to introduce class distinctions. Thus, the nobility was established under Catherine II, under "Alexander Cossacks", under Alexander I, and so on. If we consider the Cossacks as a class, then the only two-syllable positions in the world are: each Cossack, consisting in his Cossack class, at the same time as if he were a nobleman, spiritual, merchant, etc. The absurdity of such a situation was understood even in Soviet Russia and there, after the decrees destroying all class distinctions, after a series of years of revengeful persecution of the Cossacks, in the end, their existence was formally revived, but already as half-recruits, not as a class.

What answers can be found on the following questions:

1) Where and in what state was it so that the "estate", "kind of weapon" had its specific territory? But in the foreign atlases on the French, Italian, German maps of the XVII century, the words “Country of the Don Cossacks”, “Cossack Country”, and “Cossack Territory” are repeatedly found. Also in the Russian training atlases of Linberg, Ilyin and others, according to which we ourselves studied in schools, we find in the Don river basin the inscription “Don Cossacks”, in the Urals - “Ural Cossacks”, etc. And in the atlases of senior publications, on the site of the current Region of the Don Army, we read "Land of the Don Cossacks". So this territory was officially called from the time of Empress Catherine II to 1870. And in the era of Tsar Peter I on the map of 1696, the gene. J. Bruce wrote: "Yurts of the Don Cossacks", and even earlier in the Book of the Great Drawing from the times of Tsar Feodor Alekseevich in that place it is indicated "Ownership of the Don Cossacks". Is this a class? kind of "weapons"? "Community"? It would even be interesting to see a map of Russia with a designation by type of weapon or class. For example "Land of Kaluga nobles" or "Land of Penza burghers" ...

2. Where and when classes waged independent wars, marched land and sea? And how many battles recorded in the Cossack history even before Russia conquered them! And how many times their rowing flotillies have crushed the shores of the Crimea, Persia and powerful Turkey already at a time when there was no fleet in Moscow. Is it the "estate", "community", "ethnic group"?

3. What class has its civil and military history? But the Cossacks have it!

4. What class has its folk clothes, its own hairstyle, its own special songs and dances, its own special style of buildings - “kureny” and, if not its own language, then, in any case, special Cossack dialects, in which many words are found Turkic and highland.

5. When and where did the estates have their standing army, with all kinds of weapons?

6. When and where did the estate, the arms, the community, the ethnic group, etc., have their own territory, their own laws, parliaments (Circles and Rada), the autocephalous Church (before Peter the Great), conducted their policies?

But about the Cossacks, in a completely official edition of the Centenary of the Military Ministry, we read: "Until the last quarter of 17 in. Don Cossacks were completely independent of Moscow and pursued their policies regarding Moscow and other neighbors."

7. Finally, where, when and in what state was it so that the estate, kind of weapon, etc. themselves became the state?

But Don, Kuban, and others. The troops in 1918, as it was in the old days, revived their Cossack republics and their parliaments (Circles, Rada), their constitutions, coat of arms, flags and other attributes of state independence. Don also had his own state bank, which issued the “Don” banknotes, and the Don Senate.

Only the people, not the estate, could carry out all this.
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  1. +9
    25 February 2013 07: 31
    Unfortunately, this is all a thing of the past. I do not mean money with my Don bank, not an army represented by Cossack units .... First of all, I mean honor, dignity, love for my small Motherland, readiness for self-sacrifice. My grandfather, who has already passed away, is a hereditary Don Cossack, who served from 1932 to 1943 and won back to 45, as if he had shy away from the plague from newly made Cossacks. Apparently I felt falsity in the new Cossacks. And the article is about nothing, a pathetic attempt to pull out material from 40 years ago
    1. +2
      25 February 2013 10: 29
      My grandfather also shied away from them and didn’t call them clowns otherwise. I buried him and said that the last Cossack in our family died. Alas, we would not like but not their test and were brought up not so ...
      1. 0
        25 February 2013 13: 44
        I would not like but not their test
        We and our children are from that test. It's just that the time of the Cossacks has gone ..... But the time of patriots and people who know and respect the history of their country have not gone. In general, PLUS for worrying about this
  2. andsavichev2012
    0
    25 February 2013 07: 52
    An article at the MK level, about nothing ...
    1. avt
      +4
      25 February 2013 10: 05
      Quote: andsavichev2012
      An article at the MK level, about nothing.

      How about nothing? It’s quite in the spirit of the confederation of the peoples of the Caucasus. Only the hunchbacked one gave the go-ahead for administrative division and separatism, but here sober heads were found not to spin the flywheel. But the coals are smoldering. And there you look, and the line will be built out of Pomors, Siberians, and so on. The main thing is to split up smaller, and then the division into Belarusians, Russians, Ukrainians does not suit. Large.
      1. S_mirnov
        +3
        25 February 2013 10: 17
        To the very point! We roll down in the middle ages.
        1. +1
          25 February 2013 13: 16
          Quote: S_mirnov
          To the very point! We roll down in the middle ages.


          If trolling, then yes. laughing
  3. +4
    25 February 2013 08: 00
    Since when are the Cossacks the people? Cossacks were always an armed class. Here is a quote from Wikipedia:
    "In the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, in the official documents of the Russian Empire, the word" Cossack "denoted a person belonging to the Cossack estate and a state in which the population of several regions of Russia was registered, who had special rights and obligations and at the same time denoted a serviceman of the armed forces of the Russian Empire, predominantly cavalry and horse artillery and the lower rank of the Cossack troops. "

    Well, how to call the Cossacks a people if, for example, the Siberian Cossack army consisted of such peoples as:
    94,3% are Russians, 4,89% are Mordvinians, 0,81% are Tatars. The latter are Muslims. Raskolnikov and sectarians among the Siberians was 1%, the remaining 98,19% - Orthodox.

    Most of the Cossacks are Russian, but there are Kalmyks, Tattars, and other nationalities. Therefore, it is foolish to call the Cossacks-the people. This is a privileged estate.
    1. 0
      25 February 2013 13: 02
      quote = Jaros81 "Most of the Cossacks are Russian, but there are also Kalmyks, Tatars, and other peoples."
      In the Orenburg Cossack army was the same. There probably 30-35 percent of non-Russian Cossacks.
      There were many Kalmyks in Astrakhan. In the Trans-Baikal-Buryats. There were Ossetians in Tersky.
      1. 0
        25 February 2013 14: 26
        You're right. This is what Wikipedia says. By the way, this is the 19th century, in those days they were just a nation.
        The Terek Cossacks are united in their plurality: the Rivers, Lower Tertsy, Agrakhans, Tertsy-Semets, Kizlyarians, Volgians, Mozdokites, Highlanders, Vladikavkaztsy, Sunzhenians.
      2. 0
        6 March 2013 16: 50
        Nagaybak "The Orenburg Cossack army was the same. There probably 30-35 percent of non-Russian Cossacks."
        Then I made a mistake correct myself.
        National composition of OKW: Russians - 87,6%; Tatars 6,6%; nagaybaki 2,9%; Mordovians 1,8%; Bashkirs 0,8%; Kalmyks 0,3%. Quoted from: A.V. Ganin "On the Eve of the Catastrophe" p.61, Centerpolygraph 2008.
        Confessional composition: Orthodox 88%; Old Believers 4,6%; Muslims 7,4%. In the same place.
        All the data presented at the beginning of the 20th century.
  4. busido4561
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    25 February 2013 08: 01
    Entertaining information.
  5. Fox
    +2
    25 February 2013 08: 13
    my great-grandfathers, great-grandfathers, Cossacks from the Don. in civil war immediately became for the Reds. great-grandfather fought in Japan, the First World War. lived in the village of Kruchen Balka. so my grandfather said that the Cossacks did not break their caps and did not pay taxes. all wars were theirs. the Cossack grew from birth. was brought up among the Cossacks. honor and dignity are not an empty phrase for the Cossack. but not Cossacks, but mummers. Well, on the other hand, we, the Cossack family, promote our values ​​and concepts to our pupils and to children.
    1. 0
      25 February 2013 10: 32
      In in ... Values ​​and upbringing need to be instilled in your children, but there always will be where to serve in Russia ... The main thing is not to break the caps and not to be lackey ...
    2. -1
      25 February 2013 17: 06
      and hde hat Cossack, well, which did not break before anyone ...? wink
      1. 0
        25 February 2013 18: 04
        Are you me If I carefully read what I wrote ...
  6. predator.3
    +1
    25 February 2013 08: 39
    "Until the last quarter of the 17th century, the Don Cossacks were completely independent from Moscow and conducted their own policy towards Moscow and their other neighbors."

    Yes, at this time, many peoples inhabiting Russia, only just became part of Russia, the author "forgot" along with the heroic pages of the history of the Cossacks to mention the role of the roamers in the Battle of Kalka in 1223, and during the Troubles they fought mainly on the side of the impostors. And during the Great Patriotic War, whole corps fought in the ranks of the Wehrmacht.
    In short, separatism stinks from the article!
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      -3
      25 February 2013 08: 47
      the author does not forget anything, we are first of all talking about what the Judeo-Marxist government destroyed a century ago
  7. Yoshkin Kot
    0
    25 February 2013 08: 46
    Cossacks are Cossacks! estate? yes estate! nationality in the left of the Russian ethnos? yes nationality! Light cavalry? the best in the world? Yes! but above all all the same MILITARY CONDITION!
    1. -1
      25 February 2013 10: 02
      Quote ..... Yoshkin Cat ...... but first of all all the same MILITARY CONSIDERATION!

      I am joining! Cossacks are warriors engaged in peacetime farming and training of young replenishment.
      Ready at any time to repel the raids of border enemies.
    2. avt
      +2
      25 February 2013 10: 08
      Quote: Yoshkin Cat
      Cossacks are Cossacks! estate? yes estate! nationality in the left of the Russian ethnos? yes nationality! Light cavalry? the best in the world? Yes! but above all all the same MILITARY CONDITION!

      But the author categorically disagrees with you .----------- ,, Only the people, not the class, could carry out all this. ”And judging by this quote, it does not want to be a sub ethnos within the Russian ethnos.
  8. +4
    25 February 2013 10: 30
    Quote: andsavichev2012
    An article at the MK level, about nothing ...

    Nothing about you since birth with such an avatar.
    And S. Boldyrev is a famous Cossack writer of white emigration. He has many works, very interesting and informative, I recommend reading it, it’s not difficult to find on the net.
    The article says it all right:
    If the Cossacks are an estate, then why is it still there? Why aren't there nobles, philistines, merchants and others? But there are Cossacks.
    If the Cossacks are a kind of troops, then why is it preserved? Why is there no hussar, ulan, dragoons or cuirassiers? But there are Cossacks.
    Cossacks are the people of the Russian language, the Orthodox faith, the military craft.

    Quote: predator.3
    And during the Great Patriotic War, whole corps fought in the ranks of the Wehrmacht.
    In short, separatism stinks from the article!

    And about whom is the song "Our Cossacks Are Going Around Berlin"? Forgot yes.
    Entire Cossack cavalry corps also fought in the ranks of the Red Army, such as 4 KKK (Don) and 5 KKK (Kuban).
    But there were no Cossacks at the Victory Parade on June 24, 1945, no?
    1. +2
      25 February 2013 10: 44
      No, of course, what are you writing))
      Cossacks are: royal gendarmes, White Guards, fascist slanderers, and generally the most notorious enemies of all Russian)) The truth is not clear how many centuries have served this motherland. And now they should also be ashamed of their entire history)))

      Among the rest, of course, Nazi accomplices were not bulo)) tokmo Cossacks went with a swastika)))

      What division? This is a question for those who write "divide rule" - you really have a brain for wed ... or ... The unification of the Cossacks and revival is a question of the survival of the Russian national ethnos in certain places of our Great Motherland ... Russian and Cossack are inseparable things (so developed) - and this can seriously resist extremeism ... Think about it (this is me for everyone))
  9. +5
    25 February 2013 10: 47
    My grandfathers are from the Cossacks. And from the Life Cossacks! And I have never heard such nonsense that we (I will count myself to the Cossacks by right of kinship) are some kind of people! We, the Cossacks, are Russian Orthodox. Maybe a special class, but not a people. The article is provocative. The Russian people are trying to cheat on the "Siberians", "Ingermarlandts", "Cossacks", etc.
    WILL NOT WORK!
  10. dsf34rwesdgg
    0
    25 February 2013 10: 50
    Imagine, it turns out that our authorities have complete information about each of us. And now she appeared on the Internet choch.rf / 8ets Very surprised and scared, my correspondence, addresses, phone numbers, even found my naked photo, I can not even imagine where. The good news is that the data can be deleted from the site, of course, I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate
    1. +2
      25 February 2013 10: 52
      Modera !!! Aw !! Crush spamming rubbish!
      1. +2
        25 February 2013 10: 55
        Quote: klimpopov

        Modera !!! Aw !! Crush spamming rubbish!

        As you say the boss soldier
        1. +2
          25 February 2013 10: 57
          Hi Sasha! With the past!
          1. +2
            25 February 2013 11: 14
            Quote: klimpopov

            Hi Sasha! With the past!

            Hi Klim! Mutually drinks
            1. 0
              25 February 2013 11: 26
              Zhi - Shi write through and ...))) Somehow fingers missed)))
  11. +2
    25 February 2013 11: 31
    A sensible article, only for almost a century of talking from the Cossacks almost nothing remained. Thanks at least there is the Kuban Cossack Choir. If Russia wants to reserve at least the Kuban and Stavropol Territory, not to mention the rest of the North Caucasus, it is necessary to revive the Cossacks. Administrative revival - it is mummers in Circassian neoments. After the service they will go to thump. Cossacks should be at the level of everyday life, community, self-government, and then the Cossacks will not allow the expansion of the Highlanders and Islam.
    1. +1
      25 February 2013 11: 48
      That little article is so-so. Constantly someone is trying to find out something about the origin of the Cossacks. But no one is interested in real activities. And such articles only bring negative ...
    2. Yaik Cossack
      +4
      25 February 2013 14: 06
      Plus. About it and speech. You are right, almost nothing is left, but there is. It is annoying that people crawl into their own business and try to decide how to revive the Cossacks, and they themselves have nothing to do with the Cossacks. In the best case, their grandfather was a Cossack, and that one is red, but for me it says a lot. They even at the festive table in the family circle sing Komsomol songs, and they don’t know their native culture and traditions. As you do not understand, if the natural Cossacks are not reborn, then in the south of Russia kapets!
      1. +1
        25 February 2013 15: 45
        Yes, you open any resource there, they write a lot of things. And it lives coexisting and develops like that, just the authorities do not understand what to do with this apparently)))
        And on the topic do not climb or climb. I think I have the right to speak out about this because I live just in the south and I have a direct relationship with the Cossacks ...
        natural cossacks

        How's that?
        1. +1
          25 February 2013 21: 52
          Quote: klimpopov
          and I have a direct relationship to the Cossacks ...


          Sorry, how's that? Do you play spoons in a Cossack choir? neighbors and friends, Cossacks?

          Quote: klimpopov
          natural cossacks

          How's that?


          It's difficult. You are not a Cossack, you just have a relationship. Read Gumilyov.
          1. 0
            25 February 2013 22: 32
            Read. I read a lot ... No, not on spoons ...
            And friends and acquaintances ...
            Are you a Cossack?
  12. -3
    25 February 2013 12: 52
    Article junk and full brain clinch. Whoever deals with history actually knows about the island of Khortitsa and the Zaporizhzhya Sich, which initially, in essence, was the base of the Slavic mercenary warriors, where everything was subject to the Sich Charter. With Khortytsia left military units in the service of a particular sovereign or ruler. The Cossacks of that time did not have and could not (in accordance with the Sich Charter) families. All life and way was subordinated to the improvement of mastery of martial art and the fulfillment of contractual tasks. Therefore, there can be no talk of Cossacks as a people. Only after the Zaporozhets moved to the Kuban, the Cossacks began to appear families and they began to engage in agriculture and cattle breeding. Initially, these are only professional warriors.
    1. Yaik Cossack
      +1
      25 February 2013 14: 46
      Someone may and is engaged in history, but you definitely are not and judge things with very superficial knowledge, while your cheeks are bloated if you are an expert.
    2. +1
      25 February 2013 14: 52
      Victor,
      Yes, there was no relocation of "Zaporozhtsev to the Kuban" !!! You history and the one that really does not write about the Cossacks, "dig"! There still the question will arise .. Yes, in short .. "Cossacks" is generally the "middle" in the chronology of the history of the Cossacks !! How about the fact that the mention of the Cossacks "Pyatigorye", Kuban, Terek, is from 300 AD. ??? .. Just in the Kuban, Terek there were several "infusions" of Cossacks .. And those who walked from the Don ... they went to "their" - there were already villages on the Terek and the Kuban !! ... just showed the "local" Cossacks where they can put their camp - stanitsa ..
      1. 0
        25 February 2013 15: 37
        Quote: skrgar
        They were just shown the "local" Cossacks where they could put their camp - stanitsa ..

        I agree with you in many respects, but the problem is that the real history of the Cossacks can be reliably investigated only from the Middle Ages and even with difficulty, since it relies on a description of a huge number of historians, each of whom considers his vision of the history of the Cossacks to be the only correct one. As an example, I give an excerpt from the conversation of people who consider themselves experts in the history of the Cossacks:

        Textbooks, as a rule, inspire us with the idea of ​​fugitive freedom-loving peasants who were tortured by the landowners-serf-owners and who in the 1380th-XNUMXth centuries. fled from Russia to the south, to the Don, settled there and gradually turned into a service people. This people in the XIX-XX centuries, having forgotten about past conflicts with the kings, became their reliable support. There are also variants in this "history of the Cossacks". The essence of these options is that instead of fugitive freedom-loving peasants, free murderers-robbers appear, who, over time, will acquire wives, households, calm down and instead of robberies will be engaged in the protection of state borders. At the same time, there is a slightly different view of the origin of the Cossacks, expressed in particular by famous historians Tatishev, Polev and others. However, the information of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries about the Cossacks is not all open and, probably, partially destroyed. "" The question of the emergence of the Cossacks is far from clarified in the historical literature. Grabyanka, and after him Rigelman produced Cossacks from the khozars; Jan Potocki saw in the Cossacks the descendants of those kosogs whom the Grand Duke Mstislav Vladimirovich settled in the XNUMXth century in Chernigov region. According to Tatishchev, in Egypt there was the city of Cherkaz (from which the Cossacks were later called Cherkas among the Russians), whose inhabitants moved to the Caucasus and began to be called kosogami "Tatishchev really writes about the presence of references in Herodotus about the Cherkas and that" the clan of their princes who came from Egypt , where there was the city of Chirkas, or Circas ... ". The family that came, settled in the Kuban and was once of the Christian faith." It is also known that the Don Cossacks in XNUMX presented Prince Dmitry Donskoy on the eve of the Kulikovo battle with an icon of the Mother of God ... These and other mentions indicate that at that time a community of people was already formed on the Don, which could become the grain of the Don Cossacks "We will give a long quote from Eremenko:" Cossack is a non-Russian word. It came to us from the steppe nomads who, from time immemorial, raided the lands of the Eastern Slavs. The avalanches of the steppe inhabitants on the way to the rich cities and villages of farmers often came across the same flying equestrian detachments of free Slavs, acting as defenders of the southern borders of their lands. And hot fights boiled ...
        1. +1
          25 February 2013 16: 19
          Victor,
          I also agree with you in many ways .. And yes, it's hard to "climb" into such distant centuries .. Here you have an "excerpt" .. - "In Egypt there was a city of Cherkaz .." .. According to some studies now .. on which proved the "outcomes" of the Aryans from the East Siberian Plain, one of which was to Egypt .. And then the return to their historical homeland .. So the "return" took place gradually .. And yes, to the North Caucasus .. then from it already plain .. In particular, to the "Khazars" .. namely, at the turn of 200-300. AD was at the foot of Elbrus was the capital of the Russian prince Bus-Beloyar .. (Cherkasy called him BAKSAN) .. was called Kiyar-Yar. (it is assumed that it was Kiev 1). This "principality" spread from the Black Sea to .... Altai (!) .. Near Elbrus, Cossack, Alanian clans lived with it ... It seems they found chronicle sources confirming this .. And they were not "Christians"! And "Vedism" .. and then the "Christians" began to come to them .. In general, it would be more likely that our new story was voiced truthfully ..
        2. +1
          26 February 2013 07: 45
          Victor "Textbooks, as a rule, inspire us with the idea of ​​fugitive freedom-loving peasants who were tortured by landowners-serf-owners and who fled from Russia to the south, to the Don in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, settled there and gradually turned into a service people."
          However, to deny the role of the runaways is somehow silly. But what about the issue of the Don no! Who was this for? Probably there was no such phrase either. And let's deny everything to hell !!! Since Cossacks are not Russian people, they speak a different language. Then Quiet Don who wrote is not a Cossack! They have a different language! Etc. Guys ethnogenesis is not for you khukh-mukhra !! Even if we take the side of the zealots of the Cossacks, we can say at first they were Türks, and then Russified due to the fact that the number of fugitives exceeded the Türkic-speaking. No other way. The Türks practically do not refuse their language if they grow up in a Turkic-speaking environment. Ie guys KAZAKI want to be a people, return to the Turkic dialect! And if you speak and think all the same in Russian, then you are the SUBETNOS of the great RUSSIAN PEOPLE !!! And you can be proud of it !!! And I respect the Cossacks, but sometimes freezing nonsense in the posts of some comrades freezes. The last phrase, dear Victor, I am not addressing you !!!
          1. 0
            26 February 2013 12: 30
            Quote: Nagaibak
            Ie guys KAZAKI want to be a people, return to the Turkic dialect! And if you speak and think all the same in Russian, then you are the SUBETNOS of the great RUSSIAN PEOPLE !!! And you can be proud of it !!!


            Andrew! You can’t even imagine how accurately you expressed the very essence of the problem of the Cossacks in terms of ethnographic affiliation. How tired of these constant clarifications of a separate national component of the Cossacks. I myself belong on the tribal line to the Kuban Cossacks, and my wife to the Don, but we both feel Russian, we speak Russian and we have Russian souls!
  13. +1
    25 February 2013 15: 38
    Extension
    Quote: skrgar
    They were just shown the "local" Cossacks where they could put their camp - stanitsa ..


    Over time, the steppe Kos-Saks began to establish friendly acquaintances with similar equestrian knights of the Slavs, even to be related to them, also calling them Kossaks. During the Tatar-Mongol invasion, the frontier detachments of the Cossacks-Slavs could not withstand the onslaught of the conquerors ... For many subsequent years, the Khan's Golden Horde specially formed the same flying cavalry detachments from the captured Russian and Ukrainian youths, calling them Cossacks. As a rule, setting off on a regular raid on the lands of the Eastern Slavs, the Horde sent forward detachments of Cossacks, who were the first to die in battles against their own brothers. This could not last forever. The turning point in the mood of the Cossack slaves occurred during the Battle of Kulikovo. At the decisive moment, they refused to be the vanguard in the attack on the Russian troops, turned aside, and after the defeat of Mamai all went over to the side of the winners. By agreement with Dmitry Donskoy, the Cossacks remained a military camp on the Don, taking upon themselves the protection of the southern borders of Slavic Russia. "" What a strong influence of the East is ... in the free hordes of Don and Ural Cossacks! Compare with the Little Russians, where the West and Poland prevailed. "LN Gumilyov produces Zaporozhye and suburban Cossacks from the baptized Polovtsy. According to Gumilyov, the lower Cossacks are the ancestors of the Brodniks, who in turn are the descendants of the Orthodox Khazars. Brodniks became allies of the Mongols when they appeared. on the Don WELL, AND NEXT, THE SAME AS WITH ALL!
  14. +2
    25 February 2013 17: 04
    Cossacks are not people. The Bolsheviks drove this dogma into the heads of their subjects with their methodical approach. First, physically destroyed, and then etched from memory. Most ashamed of those. who says, my grandfathers were Cossacks, but they did not consider themselves people. They were not Cossacks, or they were so scared in the 20s that they were ready to call themselves Papuans.

    In 74, I came to visit my native village with a friend. Grandma was 84 years old. So a friend communicated with my grandmother only through me. He did not understand what they were telling him. Where does such a language come from when runaway serfs fled, they apparently came up with it ??? What about clothes? Do you know that Cossacks walked in bloomers until mid-19? Russian tradition?

    Cazacophobes! Most importantly, do not strain. It’s almost no people. Revival is impossible. We discuss the past of the people.
    1. Yaik Cossack
      +2
      25 February 2013 19: 17
      I put you a plus, but do not be a pissimist. It is necessary to collect and preserve everything that is possible from our culture and to join it and familiarize our children. And there, as God willing.
    2. -1
      26 February 2013 07: 29
      Black "In 74, I came to visit my native village with a friend. My grandmother was 84 years old. So my friend communicated with my grandmother only through me. He did not understand what they were talking about at all. Where did this language come from, when the fugitive serfs fled, they apparently and came up with it ??? "
      I understand that the Cossacks do not speak Russian? In Turkic? And you can not understand? Hmm .. Here I have a wife from Vyatka sometimes this will give out ... Dahl is resting.
  15. Yaik Cossack
    +1
    25 February 2013 20: 27
    In February 2013, with the support of Channel 1, the series of the director Sergei Shcherbina was released according to the script by Eduard Volodarsky “Passion for Chapay”.

    In addition to the terrible historical cranberries adventures sexually preoccupied V.S. Chapaya and miserable battle scenes of koi are more similar to budget development than to battles; there is nothing shown to the viewer about etching Cossack and Russian peoples, no other historical realities of that time.

    What does the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation R.Medinsky think when he skips films that incite national and social (class) discord? In the series, the Yaitsky Cossacks of the "Cossack" are shown as mass murderers of the entire living Russian population, and in no episode with the Cossacks there is a plot (motive) and some kind of logical explanation for the same "bestial fury" of the Cossacks, which the director screenwriter and producer pushed to the audience. Who benefits from a clash between the Russian and Cossack people? On what grounds did the heroes of the revolution raise to the shield through the 1 state channel, who atoned for millions of representatives of the peoples of the Russian Empire in the blood and buried other millions of “Soviet” people for the sake of their misanthropic ideas?

    Why is the Russian state whitewashing the red bandits of the Bolsheviks today and pouring blood on the foam and bogeyman of the killers and looters of the representatives of the Cossack and Russian peoples who got in the way of Russia distraught from Marxism-Leninism in the early 20th century? Why are Cossack people exposed by Kremlin ideologists as a flayer and a killer of Russian people? Or the specialists and consultants of this film do not know the national composition of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army and what it did on the lands that fell under its boots? Or is the modern Russian government a criminal gang of workers and peasants (RKKA) organized under the leadership of the International on February 23, 1918 - now a model of the modern Russian army? Maybe Mr. Medinsky is not aware that the regular army in the Russian state appeared during the reign of Ivan 4 the Terrible and it would be worthwhile to think about what dates to set as a model for the army of the Russian people?

    At the beginning of the 20th century, one of the few who stood in the way of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army was the Cossack people, all of its military territories. One of the most affected Troops was the Yaitsk (Ural) Cossack population, which was exterminated by 70% as a result of the war and rummaging. Then, the Cossacks stood up not only to protect their lands in the east of the Russian Empire, but also to protect its statehood. Judging by the KAZAKOPHOBIA that the state pushes in the series Passion for Chapai to the Russian audience, this is a fair generous pay to the “Pogo, gendarmes and murderers”.

    In light of this, it is understandable why the authorities in Moscow so openly encourage and nurture the acts of the Register as an internationalist mankurt-vile entity, into which, under the law on Cossacks, citizens of the Russian Federation who have reached the age of 18 years can enter. Indeed, in such an international education, you can warm up and then use a gang of gunners, murderers and looters calling this gang a Cossack.

    Nationalist Cossacks of the Free Cossack Movement appeal to all sensible political forces and, in particular, to Cossack organizations and communities - to respond to the informational and ideological war unleashed by the first state channel of the Russian Federation against the Cossack people, historical justice and stop the flows of Cossophobia that are splashing through the media RF

    We now understand why the state denies the Cossacks the right to national identification. This state needs an international Cossacks as a ranger and a killer without historical roots, its own national history, traditions, and customs. Some forces in Moscow need a gangster bogeyman under the ethnonym Cossacks to pit peoples.

    prisud.com/2012-03-21-08-20-41/press/41--200213.html

    Press Service of the Free Cossack Movement (VKD)
    1. -1
      26 February 2013 07: 52
      Yaitsky Cossack "Cossacks-nationalists of the Free Cossack Movement are turning !!! In-in the province went to write! Cossacks are nationalists! They survived! Then Vyatka, then we'll go to the regions Smolensk, Kurdish and other peyzans !!! And all are not Russians. Hey Cossack nationalists, but the right to be called Cossacks Tatars of Mohammedan origin will you allow? Or Buryats -Buddists?
  16. Cossack23
    +1
    23 May 2013 23: 02
    Fuck you all, we are reborn !!! let the language and self-consciousness be killed in us, but the spirit of the people is alive (we’re not the first to read history)