Military Review

Volunteers near Moscow during the Great Patriotic War

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Frames of pre-war newsreel show us completely happy and carefree faces of Muscovites. Guys dressed with barely perceptible metropolitan foppishness, laughing girls with ice cream in their hands, older people who are always in a hurry somewhere, fit figures of policemen, business people with briefcases in their hands, double-decker trolley buses, trams stuffed to the eyeball - Moscow was just full of life . And none of these millions of city dwellers even suspected that very soon a severe ordeal would fall to their lot, a test that would turn their lives upside down, possibly crippling loved ones. Forever change them ...


Volunteers near Moscow during the Great Patriotic War


War. Still inaudible, but already foreseeing the roar of exploding shells, explosions of grenades, clang tanks forced thousands of people who were not directly involved in military service to line up in front of the military commissariats in the 41st year. Pupils and students, figures of science and culture, veterans of the civil war - who could not be met in the motley crowd of Moscow volunteers. People brought up on the civil exploits of the pilot Chkalov, polar explorer Papanin, sailors who paved the way from Arkhangelsk to the Bering Strait, now dreamed of their heroic deed, military. They felt that the country needed, that they should contribute to the defense of the Fatherland.

On the night of 2 on July 1941 of the year, the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) invites local party organizations to lead the creation of the national militia, and on the same day the Military Council of the Moscow Military District adopts a resolution on the voluntary mobilization of residents of Moscow and the region into the national militia. According to the plan of the decree, the number of Moscow militia should be 200 thousand people and 70 thousand people supposed to recruit from the area. In total, it was planned to form 25 militia divisions (according to the number of metropolitan administrative districts), and to equip them with people from some areas of the Moscow region.

Divisions were prescribed to be formed by people between the ages of 17 and 55. At the same time, conscripts were released, who had mobilization regulations in their hands, workers of such people's commissariats of the defense industry, machine-tool factories and those industrial enterprises that the district troika (providing mobilization) would consider performing defense orders of extreme importance. Approximately half of the total number of commanders was called up for new divisions from proven personnel of the military district, the rest of the commanders were directly from the militia.

The supply of new militia units with transport, field kitchens, the provision of food transportation and military supplies (within 150 radius kilometers from Moscow) was provided by the resources of enterprises located within this distance from the capital. Weapon, ammunition provided the headquarters of the Moscow Military District.

Before going to the front, volunteers took a short-term course, but under the conditions of military operations, this practically did not help people — according to the recollections of veteran volunteers — very many died in the very first battles. Uniforms for people in volunteer divisions also left much to be desired. As again, direct participants in defense actions near Moscow recall that they were given one rifle per five people and several incendiary bottles. At the same time, tank forces of General Guderian and 2 of a million soldiers of the German Center group were launched against the militias. And there was no one to blame for poor military support - the whole country was working for defense, and the main weapon was, of course, the regular units of the Soviet army.

The fate of the militias took shape in different ways. Someone died, someone was captured, some people went into the partisan detachments, and some, joining the ranks of the army units, managed to reach Berlin.

Of the twelve 1941 divisions formed in July of the Moscow volunteer militia, nine of them actually died in the Smolensk region. One division, although it suffered great losses, continued to fight in the Smolensk land, and two of these nine divisions continued to fight in the Tver and Kaluga regions.

18 July 1941 of the State Defense Committee adopts a resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) "On the organization of the struggle in the rear of the German troops." According to this decree, it was planned to deploy preparatory work on the organization of the underground partisan movement. In parallel with this, the formation of special sabotage and fighter groups, whose task included a wide range of tasks. Destruction of the enemy's living forces, intelligence gathering, damage to communications, and important communication facilities (bridges, road mining) —all this fell within the remit of the newly formed special forces.

As part of this decree, a special sabotage brigade is created, better known as military unit number 9903, led by the legendary Arthur Sprogis. The mission of the brigade was to conduct sabotage operations in the rear of the enemy troops, the destruction of the enemy's living forces, intelligence gathering, communication damage, the destruction of communication links (undermining bridges, mining roads).

The basis of the brigade was the Komsomol volunteers in Moscow and the Moscow region, the command personnel were recruited from students of the Frunze Military Academy. During the battle of Moscow in the military unit of the intelligence department of the Western Front, 50 combat groups and units were trained. In September 1941, February 1942, they accomplished about 89 penetration into the enemy’s rear area, destroyed 3500 German soldiers and officers, detected and eliminated 36 traitors, exploded 13 tanks with fuel, 14 tanks.

Few people know but tragic история Zoya Kosmodemyansk partisans are also associated with this sabotage brigade.

October 31 1941, Zoe, among other volunteer members of the Komsomol, came to the general gathering place at the “Colosseum” cinema. From here she was transferred to the sabotage school, later becoming a fighter in the reconnaissance and sabotage unit No. 9903. After a short training, the brave Zoya in the group was transferred to the Volokolamsk area, where her group successfully managed to cope with the first task - to mine the road.

17 November 1941 issued the Order of the Supreme Command No. 428, which ordered to “deprive the German army of the opportunity to settle down in villages and towns, drive out the German invaders from all settlements to the cold in the field, smoke them out of all the rooms and warm shelters and make them freeze with the aim of “destroying and burning down all the settlements in the rear of the German troops at a distance 40 — 60 km in depth from the front edge and 20 — 30 km to the right and left of the roads”.

To fulfill this order, 18 November, the commanders of the sabotage groups of part No. 9903, P. S. Provorov (Kosmodemyanskaya included in his group) and B. S. Krainov received a combat mission to burn ten settlements during 5 — 7 days, and among them a village Petrishchevo Moscow region. The sabotage detachments were able to execute the order only on the night of November 27: Boris Krainov, Vasily Klubkov and Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya set fire to three houses in Petrishchev, while the Germans killed 20 horses.

After completing the mission, Krainov managed to get out of the village where the Germans were located, Klubkov and Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya were captured.

About further events it is known to all people who managed to get an education back in the Soviet school (now they hardly tell about Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya at history lessons) - they cruelly tortured her, and then hung her up revealingly.

Today, it is possible to assess the Stalinist order No. 0428 of 17 in November 1941 of the year in different ways, because he essentially called for saboteurs to harm the homes and property of ordinary villagers, Russian people, because of the circumstances that Germans sheltered under the threat of reprisal. From this point of view, it is clear why this order was declassified relatively recently - this is a painful historical topic, debatable, not all people (especially the older generation) are ready to accept such facts.

ORDER OF THE RATE OF THE SUPREME MAIN COMMAND N 0428

Moscow 17 November 1941 of the year

The experience of the last month of the war showed that the German army is poorly adapted to war in winter conditions, does not have a warm robe, and, experiencing great difficulties from the onset of frost, huddles in the front line in settlements. The arrogant adversary was about to winter in the warm houses of Moscow and Leningrad, but this was hindered by the actions of our troops. On vast sections of the front, German troops, having met stubborn resistance of our units, were forced to go on the defensive and settled down in settlements along roads for 20-30 km on both sides. German soldiers live, as a rule, in cities, towns, villages, in peasant huts, barns, rigs, bathhouses near the front, and the headquarters of the German units are located in larger towns and cities, hide in basements, using them as shelter from ours aviation and artillery. The Soviet population of these points is usually evicted and thrown out by the German invaders.

To deprive the German army of its ability to settle down in villages and cities, drive German invaders out of all settlements to the cold in the field, smoke them out of all rooms and warm shelters and force them to freeze in the open air - such is the urgent task, the solution of which largely determines the acceleration of defeating the enemy and the disintegration of his army.

The rate of the Supreme Command PRI KAZZA A T:

1. Destroy and burn to the ground all the settlements in the rear of the German troops at a distance of 40 - 60 km in depth from the front edge and 20 - 30 km to the right and left of the roads.

For the destruction of populated areas in the specified radius of action, immediately throw in aircraft, make extensive use of artillery and mortar fire, reconnaissance teams, skiers and guerrilla sabotage groups equipped with incendiary bottles, grenades and blasting agents.

2. In each regiment, create teams of hunters for 20 - 30 people each for the explosion and burning of the settlements in which the enemy troops are located. In the teams of hunters to select the most courageous and strong politically and morally fighters, commanders and political workers, carefully explaining to them the tasks and significance of this event for the defeat of the German army. Outstanding brave men for brave action to destroy the settlements in which the German troops are located, to submit to the government award.

3. With the forced withdrawal of our units in one or another area, take the Soviet population with them and be sure to destroy all settlements without exception so that the enemy cannot use them. In the first place, for this purpose, use the teams of hunters selected in the shelves.

4. The military Soviets of the fronts and individual armies systematically check how tasks are carried out for the destruction of populated areas in the radius specified above from the front line. Bet every 3 of the day a separate summary to inform how many and which localities destroyed over the past days and by what means achieved these results.

Supreme Command Headquarters

TsAMO, f. 208, op. 2524, d. 1, l. 257-258.


However, it must be understood that war is primarily a tragic, terrible phenomenon, not amenable to the logic of peaceful life. And those orders, the actions of the military, which we, representatives of a completely different generation and another time, can perceive as absurd, nightmarish, perhaps even condemn, were perceived by those people of that war as a given, with the understanding that Russian people would not have been different from the Germans persevered

Indeed, it is not known how the battle near Moscow would end if the German invaders were given the opportunity to rest in the overheated village huts and feed off kolkhoz grubs (and in the conditions of the winter war this is an important factor).


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  1. erased
    erased 25 February 2013 08: 53 New
    +7
    Our ancestors, bleeding, drove the Germans first from outside Moscow, and then expelled from the country. And strangled in their den.
    And in 1991, enemies took revenge.
    1. xan
      xan 25 February 2013 11: 12 New
      10
      Quote: erased
      And in 1991, enemies took revenge.


      Well, we'll see it
      1. Gimaev Bulat
        Gimaev Bulat 25 February 2013 21: 03 New
        +3
        Great-grandfather was in Germany, his father was there, and something seems to me)
    2. Big lexey
      Big lexey 25 February 2013 12: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: erased
      And in 1991, enemies took revenge.

      No one took revenge in 1991 ... Russia did not suffer a military defeat, the territory of the country was not occupied, the army, aviation and navy suffered serious losses over the 22 years of confrontation, but retained their combat effectiveness, and most importantly, their desire and ability to defend their country.
      1. Larus
        Larus 25 February 2013 12: 49 New
        +8
        Actually, the country was occupied and divided, they were sent to steer those who bought and still use us as they want, and if you don’t see, then this is a minus to you. And the main desire to protect the country is uprooted by all possible means.
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 25 February 2013 14: 20 New
          +3
          Germans near Peter ...... soon they will envy the dead
      2. Andrew-001
        Andrew-001 25 February 2013 17: 41 New
        +2
        And it depends on how you look.
        The "invincible and legendary" has disappeared completely, almost the entire western part of the vast country is occupied by the Bandera (Ukraine, Crimea), remnants of SS units (the Baltic states), which were not killed at one time, Moldova is sandwiched between the Romanian revashists and the incomplete "Nachtigall".

        Another thing is that we have not yet been finished off, they do not have the strength to break our resistance. and then it’s easier - either we will gather our strength or they will get ahead of us.
      3. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 26 February 2013 06: 52 New
        +2
        But just imagine the modern Moscow militia and excuse the voluntary, I also do not laugh, but in 91 lost the war in people's heads, allowed the enemies to come to power, and yet the enemy is not the German people, but an enemy who never hid this and not only always boasted of hatred of Russia - this is Britain, which organized various ways of war to please its interests, and if you look carefully, you can see foggy albion practically in the organization of all major wars, well, the American United States as a native son, as bloody as his mother all over the world blood sheds only openly.
    3. Evrepid
      Evrepid 25 February 2013 18: 52 New
      -2
      From what from the beginning from Moscow? Listened to propaganda!
      1. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 26 February 2013 06: 54 New
        +1
        Whose propaganda? "Free Europe" or "freedom" - these will tell you just listen, and since you have absorbed their thoughts, then your own propaganda will always be bad.
        1. Evrepid
          Evrepid 26 February 2013 15: 51 New
          -1
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0
          %B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_(1941)

          Here you have a successful battle ... And 9 months is not a battle. this is sitting out.
          During this time, Rostov 5 times passed from hand to hand.

          The death toll in the battles for Rostov from the USSR: 33111 killed from the Wehrmacht: 20000. Not fierce battles?

          The battle for Moscow of the loss of the USSR: 1 from the Wehrmacht: 800. It's just atas.

          The SS officer writes that the main directions of the attacks of the elite SS divisions were concentrated in the southern directions: Kharkov, Rostov, Voronezh, Belgorod, etc., the Reich division, which is indicated as one of the SS divisions advancing on Moscow, was removed and transferred to Voronezh.

          He also writes that the SS units and the simple division "Great Germany" were the most combat-ready.
    4. aviator46
      aviator46 25 February 2013 22: 33 New
      +1
      The article is not about that .. and the topic is not disclosed.

      "People were seized on the streets of Moscow and sent to the militia. The workers were hunted right at the checkpoints of the factories. They did not take into account any armor or anything -" we have an order - all to the militia "
      The secretary of the Kuibyshevsky district committee of the CPSU (b) Shakhova wrote to the Moscow City Committee that when the regional division of the people's militia was sent on July 12, 1941 to build defensive structures, "the division left WITHOUT weapons. The uniforms were given used, they did not give shoes at all, so the militias went in what was shod: in white shoes, slippers, etc.
      The division worked 12 hours a day. No training was carried out, and no preparations were made for combat. "
      When leaving for the combat lines, units of the division had 245 rifles and 13600 rounds of ammunition. "With the number of one division of the people's militia, on average, 9-10 thousand people - this meant 1,5 rounds per soldier.
            But even where there were more weapons - what a weapon it was! Worker and fighter battalions, numbering 30 thousand soldiers on October 24, 1941, had 5569 rifles, of which 2312 were Polish, 1489 French, 1249 Russian, 42 English, 201 152, XNUMX German. Many rifles do not there were flies. The cartridges of some did not fit the others.

      The losses of the people's militia in the Moscow battle were so enormous that five divisions had to be disbanded altogether - each of them left several hundred, or even tens of soldiers.
  2. Cossack23
    Cossack23 25 February 2013 09: 02 New
    +7
    Winners cannot be judged, they did everything they could, but whoever tries to judge them is just a traitor or a rat.
    1. smel
      smel 25 February 2013 09: 21 New
      +2
      But conclusions from misses must be made. And does not make them either a criminal
    2. Evrepid
      Evrepid 26 February 2013 16: 03 New
      -1
      Winners are not judged ?!
      Ordinary soldiers and there is nothing to judge.

      An infantryman, a tankman, a pilot went into battle knowing that he could be killed. I don’t judge my grandfather, I don’t have the right, and he won’t give him a medal "for courage".

      But the generals who did not go on the attack can be judged.
      Zhukov, for example, for robbing his soldiers, for senseless orders, for losses of 20 million people. for the words: "we came up with the idea of ​​calling the soldiers matches" ...
      1. Evrepid
        Evrepid 4 March 2013 14: 18 New
        0
        Hey you put a minus!

        In your opinion, it turns out that I should blame my grandfather for fighting and walking in hand-to-hand fighting, for never having obtained a veteran’s ID and standing in line, like the rest of the residents, and thanking the general’s freaks for robbing him!

        The awards were stolen, they stopped inviting me for the truth on May 9!
  3. Renat
    Renat 25 February 2013 09: 22 New
    +3
    Thanks for preserving the capital, including Sorge, the Siberian battalions and Comrade Frost.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 February 2013 10: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: Renat
      Thank you for saving the capital

      Thanks also to all Muscovites who dug anti-tank ditches, who were on duty on the roofs of houses, who worked sparingly. "Everything for the victory!" - this is not an empty phrase! And not surrendering Moscow instilled confidence in all citizens of the USSR. She had to hold out at any cost! And she survived!
      1. Renat
        Renat 25 February 2013 10: 10 New
        +5
        Eternal memory to all the defenders and shame on those who sold not only the conquests of our grandfathers but also the memory of them. Forget the past and lose the future.
  4. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 25 February 2013 09: 41 New
    +5
    A heart sheds blood when you start to think about what tragedy our country has experienced for centuries.
    There is no example to her !!!
  5. avt
    avt 25 February 2013 09: 46 New
    +5
    It was a difficult and heroic time! And people match for time. It is not for us to judge them, we only need to keep a grateful memory of them!
    1. Renat
      Renat 25 February 2013 10: 24 New
      +3
      Will the current generation be able to repeat such heroism if that (God forbid, of course). Although two Chechen campaigns, Abkhazia and the like showed that there is hope. The heroes on our land have not been extinct.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 25 February 2013 11: 20 New
        +9
        Renat
        It is difficult to say in reality, but the fact that the country's inhabitants will selflessly stand to their death near Moscow is unlikely. This earlier Moscow was a symbol of the country, a sacred city. Now it is a city of vices and debauchery, a dwelling place for oligarchs and madness "golden" trash youth. Muscovites (not all of course), but the majority, spit on all other residents of the country, they, in principle, answer them in kind. The notion "Muscovite" becomes more and more abusive when moving to the East. Of course, the contrast between the capital and the provinces has always existed, but it is unlikely that it reached such a degrading skew, when the sons and daughters of businessmen in Moscow nightclubs buy a bottle of champagne for 50 thousand and a hard worker in the provinces, who gets a pitiful 15 thousand and they prove to him that this is still normal salary for their region.
        1. xan
          xan 25 February 2013 11: 40 New
          +2
          Prometey,

          Personally, I know other Muscovites, and I’ll go to fight for them.
  6. Octavian avgust
    Octavian avgust 25 February 2013 10: 13 New
    +3
    The country was full of heroes! Great Glory to the people - to the Winner!
  7. zmey
    zmey 25 February 2013 10: 34 New
    +4
    After many years and receiving a huge amount of information from both warring parties, one can easily assert the erroneousness or criminality of one or another order! And with the same ease of inventing your own alternative story (being fed up in a warm room and utterly nothing falls), but if it were, yes!

    In my opinion, it is necessary to tell the truth - how everything happened (who knew what and did not know what the conditions, prerequisites were), i.e. general picture of past events. And so it is indiscriminate to say or to take out of the context of events any fact or order, - "this order is harmful because following events showed it (the order) is not correctness, but this order is correct because subsequent events resulted in a positive result ", I think this approach to history is not true.
  8. Avenger711
    Avenger711 25 February 2013 10: 46 New
    +5
    As direct participants in the defense operations near Moscow remember, they were given one rifle for five people and several Molotov cocktails.


    The same participants as from the Solzhenitsyn front-line artilleryman.
  9. dsf34rwesdgg
    dsf34rwesdgg 25 February 2013 10: 47 New
    0
    Imagine, it turns out that our authorities have complete information about each of us. And now she appeared on the Internet choch.rf / 8ets Very surprised and scared, my correspondence, addresses, phone numbers, even found my naked photo, I can not even imagine where. The good news is that the data can be deleted from the site, of course, I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate
  10. pinecone
    pinecone 25 February 2013 11: 25 New
    0
    About German soldiers not accommodated, but alivex in suburban cities and places most likely wrote Mehlis.
    Extremely clumsy and ferocious language.


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    1. Evrepid
      Evrepid 25 February 2013 18: 58 New
      -1
      The most important thing is that the houses of ordinary citizens of the country were burned, which means that the government of the country drove its people out into the street in a terrible frost, so that they would freeze and die of hunger. Because the Germans simply threatened with weapons would have taken the last and all.

      And like the Kosmodemyanskoye the villagers caught. when she set fire to houses and residents gave her to the Gestapo.
      1. Aleksys2
        Aleksys2 25 February 2013 19: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Evrepid
        And like the Kosmodemyanskoye the villagers caught. when she set fire to houses and residents gave her to the Gestapo.

        Meanwhile, eyewitnesses of those dramatic events still live in Petrishchev. They are outraged by the lie about the absence of fascists in the village. “Now they are writing,” she said in 1991 in an interview with the correspondent of “Komsomolskaya Pravda” L. Ovchinnikova NN Sedova (in 1941 she was 9 years old), “that there were no Germans in Petrishchev either. you can ask people. The Germans drove us out of their houses with rifle butts. Each hut was full of them. Mom and four children - we huddled in the kitchen on straw. "
        1. Evrepid
          Evrepid 4 March 2013 14: 13 New
          0
          Something you contradict yourself. So the Germans drove out into the street in the cold or were they still in the kitchen in the house?
          And then the cosmodemyanskaya came and drove them out of the house and their kitchens into the cold! :)
  11. Larus
    Larus 25 February 2013 12: 07 New
    +2
    As all the same, our country was lucky that they managed to raise up to the Second World War, and it’s easier until the next invasion of the West by our country, patriots who restrained at the cost of their lives, and then defeated the united Europe (once again).
    And it’s good that the fifth column was shot mostly on time, although it turned out that these opportunists and the Communists managed to become and a lot of grief to inflict on their people, having served themselves before the master.
    But the trouble is, these volunteers do not fit into the modern history of the liberals, according to which our troops did not run away just because they were guarded by detachments that shot everyone in a row. And there is no end to these slops at the top that steers-steals.
    In general, the eternal memory of the heroes of that war.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 25 February 2013 13: 38 New
      0
      Larus "But the trouble is these volunteers don't fit into modern liberal history,"
      Bravo!
      1. brelok
        brelok 26 February 2013 07: 57 New
        0
        Would I look at modern volunteers from Moscow? Very much they love each other! bully
  12. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 25 February 2013 13: 37 New
    +4
    The article is frankly weak. I thought something new to read about the fighting of the Moscow militia ... Hmm ... the same snot about one rifle for five ... nothing new. An interesting point is that when talking about the Moscow militia, the author questions the order of rate No. 0428. I would like to clarify the following. WE WON BECAUSE BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE VICTIMED IN THIS WAR- ELSE THE VICTORY WOULD NOT BE !!!! Sailors rushed to the pillbox-Cosmodemyanskaya house burned. What do you think? Are you in a fairy tale? Now you can cheat and smarten your cheeks while sitting in a warm hut in front of the computer. Hehe and why did you write this article?
    1. Evrepid
      Evrepid 25 February 2013 19: 03 New
      -4
      Why say thank you for such arsonists? Tell me, for example, my grandmother with 5 children remained in the occupation. Here comes such a cosmodemyan’s house and burns her house when it’s -25 on the street, do you think she will say thanks to her, or would my grandfather return from the war to show her thanks?

      I think that in both cases no.
      Here's a continuation of this: In this situation, I would not have been! Actually, I think it’s right that she was caught and given to the Gestapo.
      And there with those read me by anyone. Nehru touch my house! Let her burn her first ... And then she didn’t burn her, but let a stranger let a red rooster so please.
      1. Aleksys2
        Aleksys2 25 February 2013 19: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Evrepid
        Why say thank you for such arsonists?

        People whose Germans stayed at the billets did not live in these houses. They lived in cellars, barns, sheds.
        And life began under German rule. Some Germans succeeded others endlessly. Some were cruel, others more compassionate. Usually the Germans came in the evening, for the night. Those who were cruel kicked out their mother, and Annushka, and Mitka with kicks, and who were compassionate, kicked out without kicks. At first, mother, Annushka, and Mitya slept on the street, even though the September nights in Rzhev are cold. Thanks again, there was no rain, but how will it rain? My mother tried to knock on neighboring houses, asked them to let me go, but they were all afraid because they thought they were the Jews whom the Germans were looking for. When the mother lifted Mitya to the window, showing that they were Russian, they wouldn’t let them in anyway - maybe they were a communist or partisan family ... However, a kind old woman was found and let them go, and since then every night, when the Germans came to stand, as they expel, they went to the old woman to spend the night and even moved the bed and pillows there. In the morning the Germans left, mother, and Annushka, and Mitya returned to their house and did not recognize him ... And the German stench, unique, pea ... Even when the frost hit, I had to open the windows wide ... All day mother washed, cleaned, and Annushka helped her and Mitka carried water, again the Germans came to a stand ...
        1. Evrepid
          Evrepid 26 February 2013 11: 52 New
          -1
          Komodemyanskaya doomed them to death from hunger, and from cold.

          Get the hell you describe! The neighbors didn’t let them in because they thought they were Jews! Or the communists!

          This does not happen in villages! In the villages, I know everything about each other! Who is whose son, daughter, father, godfather, matchmaker or brother.
          Who when someone married or got married.
          And about the Communists or not, even more so!
          And if you thought that the Jews, then they were not the indigenous inhabitants of this village, but maybe they were different in the way that Pavlik Morozov helped the surplus-appraisal, or maybe a lot more? You are describing something very suspicious! Relatives did not let the house get warm in the cold.
          How would my grandmother not be allowed in by neighbors? If these neighbors are her brothers and sisters? And her daughter?
          1. Evrepid
            Evrepid 4 March 2013 14: 04 New
            0
            The man who puts the cons!

            You don’t know at all life in small towns, villages, ancient cities and villages!

            If you think that I didn’t write the truth, then you are clearly a resident of Moscow, who set fire to and destroyed his own!
            I don’t even know how to classify you!
            Probably put a minus on the principle: "It doesn't hurt for me. It means that everyone does not hurt."
            Only a stupid, uneducated or Zionist does this, who hides behind his backs, inciting!
      2. Combitor
        Combitor 26 February 2013 01: 59 New
        0
        You are very lucky that the Germans did not burn your grandmother's hut, only together with its inhabitants, having previously boarded up windows and doors. Homegrown experts can now easily judge that time. And sometimes I ask myself: what would I do if I lived at that time? And honestly, I don’t know.
        1. Evrepid
          Evrepid 26 February 2013 11: 46 New
          0
          The Germans didn’t burn yes, but maybe because it was not cosmodian?
          Do not think that I’m some kind of scumbag advocating for the Germans, the war brought grief to the families of my parents in full.

          Yes, both grandfathers returned from the war, but their uncle did not return, the aunt's husband did not return. Yes, and grandfathers returned wounded.
          And one must ask a question, and what would they both do with their families after such as the Cosmodemy?
          Although the answer is clear. if they had no families, would not have a father, would not have a mother, would not be me.

          And as for the fact that they didn’t live where the Germans lodged, it’s in vain, the company commander of the German tankers was lodged with his grandmother in the house.

          I won’t say what was sweet for them, and manna poured, but they lived in the same house, the German lived in the living room, and the grandmother and children in the kitchen.
      3. Evrepid
        Evrepid 26 February 2013 12: 09 New
        -1
        Those who put a minus dedicate a few words to the devotion!

        It is precisely because of what you think that Komodemyansk’s burning of houses was right, and condemning its citizens to starvation and cold death. That's exactly why we live in such a well .. e.
        Kosmodemyanskaya considered the inhabitants of the houses burned as enemies, although 100% of the heads of families, the sons were at the front and did not sit idly by, did not come to the Kosmodemyanskaya and did not burn her house.
        1. Evrepid
          Evrepid 4 March 2013 14: 09 New
          0
          Once again I will try to call to your head (Those who put the minuses)!

          Ask yourself: Would you like your house to come in and burn some sort of pigman?
          If you answer yes, then give out your property and shoot yourself! It will be in the style of your stupidity!
          And if you do not want to hand out property and shoot, then you are just a morally powerless troller on forums or a political prostitute.
  13. Aleksys2
    Aleksys2 25 February 2013 13: 41 New
    +6
    Of the twelve 1941 divisions formed in July of the Moscow volunteer militia, nine of them actually died in the Smolensk region. One division, although it suffered great losses, continued to fight in the Smolensk land, and two of these nine divisions continued to fight in the Tver and Kaluga regions.

    Well, it’s not quite like that:
    At the beginning of World War II, on the basis of GKO decree No. 10, dated July 04, 1941, in July 1941, in Moscow, 12 divisions of the militia were formed, in September they were renamed into rifle divisions: 2nd, 8th, 17th 18th (later 11th Guards), 29th, 60th, 110th (84th Guards), 113th, 139th, 140th, 160th and 173- I (77th Guards).
    In October 1941, another 4 militia divisions were formed in Moscow, which in January 1942 were renamed rifle divisions: 129th, 130th, 155th and 158th. In October 1941, the 2nd, 8th, 29th, 139th, 140th rifle divisions, due to heavy losses of personnel, were disbanded, the rest participated in battles until the end of the war.
    In the battle of Smolensk (from July 10 to September 10, 1941) almost did not participate.
    Care must be taken with the source.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 25 February 2013 15: 29 New
      +1
      Aleksys2 "Well, it's kind of not quite true:"
      And so in all these gentlemen. I did not cite the data, too lazy. And you honor and praise !!!
  14. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 25 February 2013 15: 02 New
    +4
    I do not want to belittle the heroism of the Moscow militias at all, but militarily they were very weak and could not affect the defense of the capital. Most of the Soviet troops that were supposed to defend the Moscow direction were defeated in the Vyazemsky cauldron.
    In November 1941, it turned out that in fact only two Kazakhstan divisions defended Moscow - the 316th SD (from Alma-Ata) and 312 SD (from Aktyubinsk). A little later, the 32nd SD from the Far East and other parts arrived and already drove the enemy from the walls of Moscow.
    But at the most critical moment, it was precisely two Kazakhstan divisions that stopped the enemy under the capital of the USSR.

    The 316th division, which was part of the 16th army, was in the direction of the main strike, it should be noted that it received an extremely wide defense line - more than 42 kilometers along the front. According to the 1939 charter, a division can defend a strip along a front of 8-12 km and a depth of 4-6 km.
    On November 16, the division was attacked by the forces of one infantry and two tank divisions of the Germans - the 2nd Panzer Division of the 40th Motorized Corps (General of the Tank Troops G. Stumme) attacked the positions of our division in the center of defense, and the 11th Panzer Division of the 46th Motorized Corps (the General of Panzer troops von Fittinghoff-Scheel) hit in the Dubosekovo region, at the positions of the 1075th Infantry Regiment. In the south of the position, at the junction with the Dovator’s corps, with the support of the tank battalion of the 5th Panzer Division, 252 Silesian Infantry Division attacked. Parts of the division led by Panfilov waged heavy defensive battles with superior enemy forces, in which the personnel showed massive heroism. During the fighting on November 16-20 in the Volokolamsk direction, the 316th rifle division (from November 17 the Red Banner, from November 18 the Guards) stopped the advance of all German divisions.
    When, realizing the futility and the impossibility of achieving success in the Volokolamsk direction, von Bock transferred the 4th Panzer Group to the Leningradskoye Shosse, the 8th Guards on November 26 was also transferred to the Leningradskoye Shosse to the area of ​​the village of Kryukovo, where, like on the Volokolamsk Shosse, stopped the 4th Wehrmacht tank group.

    Colonel General Erich Göpner, who commanded the 4th Panzer Group, whose strike forces were defeated in battles with the Panfilov Division, calls it in his reports to the commander of the Center Center, Fedor von Bock - "a wild division, fighting in violation of all regulations and rules of conduct of battle, whose soldiers do not surrender, are extremely fanatical and are not afraid of death".

    One of the two divisions of the Soviet Army, named for their commanders (along with Chapaevskaya - the 25th Guards Rifle Division named after V.I. Chapaev).
    By the way, the aforementioned commander of the German 4th Panzer Group Erich Göpner, who said that the Panfilov division was too tough for him, and who retreated in December 1941 - was removed from office for "cowardice" (January 1942), was dismissed from the armed forces without the right to wear military uniforms and awards, as well as without the right to retire. And in 1944 he was executed for participating in an attempt on Hitler's life ... But he was an iron general who fought in the First World War, victoriously passed the Polish and French campaigns, who successfully took the Baltic states and defeated 4 Soviet armies in the Vyazemsky cauldron!

    On October 2, 1941, his tank group included:
    57th Motorized Corps (General of the Tank Forces A. Kunzen)
    20-I Panzer Division
    3rd Motorized Division
    SS Division "Reich"
    46th Motorized Corps (General of the tank forces G. von Fittinghof-Scheel)
    5-I Panzer Division
    11-I Panzer Division
    252 I Infantry Division
    40th Motorized Corps (General of the Tank Troops G. Stumme)
    2-I Panzer Division
    10-I Panzer Division
    258 I Infantry Division
    12th Army Corps (infantry general V. Schrot)
    98 I Infantry Division
    34 I Infantry Division
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 25 February 2013 15: 08 New
      +8
      But modern Muscovites for some reason reacted very negatively to the fact that the new metro station was named "Alma-Atinskaya" in honor of these guys. How much hatred and bile poured into the internet.
      1. igordok
        igordok 25 February 2013 17: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        But modern Muscovites for some reason reacted very negatively to the fact that the new metro station was named "Alma-Atinskaya" in honor of these guys. How much hatred and bile poured into the internet.


        Do they need this? If it does not bring money. Alas.
      2. Lignitz
        Lignitz 25 February 2013 18: 40 New
        +5
        Muscovites are not the same as they were 50-100-200 years ago. According to Valentin Pikul - before people were different, they loved their homeland.
      3. them
        them 27 February 2013 00: 02 New
        +2
        Marek rozny,
        This war, grief, the cat she brought cannot be divided according to nationality, as the country was torn. This is our common victory!
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 25 February 2013 18: 27 New
      +1
      I will specify:
      The 35th Infantry Division, the 2nd, 5th and 11th Panzer Divisions developed their offensive in the division strip. The offensive began on October 15, 1941 and the division entered into fierce battles. October 18, 1941 the left flank of the division was bypassed and German troops took Ostashevo. After unsuccessful attempts to take Volokolamsk from the south, the enemy concentrated his efforts on the right flank of the division. Having broken through the defense of the 1077th Infantry Regiment on October 25, 1941, the 35th Infantry Division reached Zubovo five kilometers from Volokolamsk. At the same time, the blow was again dealt from the south, from Ostashevo, where German troops broke down the resistance of the division and pushed the 1075th rifle regiment to the Volokolamsk station by the end of the day. By the end of the day, the 1077th rifle regiment with the attached 525th artillery regiment was assigned to Alfer'evo, the 1075th rifle regiment with the 289th and 296th artillery regiments in Zhdanovo, the 1073rd rifle regiment was assigned to the reserve as the most battered . On October 27, 1941, German troops broke through the defenses of the neighboring 690th Infantry Regiment, and the 316th Infantry Division was forced to leave Volokolamsk and take up defense east and south-east of the city at the line of Maleevka - Chentsi - Bolshoye Nikolskoye - Teterino.
      On November 16, 1941, German troops again struck, in the center of the division’s defense and in the joint of the 316th Infantry Division and the General Dovator’s group and in the center of the defense, the division conducts the most difficult battles in the Volokolamsk Highway area together with the tankers of the 1st Guards Tank Brigade. It was on this day that events took place at the Dubosekovo junction
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 25 February 2013 21: 05 New
        +3
        But about the 312nd Aktobe division:

        "In early October 1941, on the outskirts of Moscow, as a result of the German offensive, parts of the Western, Reserve and Bryansk fronts were surrounded and defeated. 81 divisions were destroyed, 663 thousand Soviet soldiers and officers were captured. The path to Moscow was open. The Germans marched on the capital in a triumphal march, almost without resistance. Panic reigned in the capital. There were no additional military reserves.
        A particularly difficult situation developed in the central sector of the front: the Germans freely approached Moscow along the Warsaw highway. The squad of captain Ivan Sorchak, who counterattacked the Nazis near the city of Yukhnov, saved the situation. Not expecting this, the Germans suspended the attack for a day. This time was enough for two Kazakhstani (316th and 312nd) and one Far Eastern (32nd) divisions to arrive in Moscow. The Almaty residents were thrown onto the Volokolamsk Highway, and the Aktobe residents were ordered to take up defense on the central site, blocking the Warsaw Highway.
        Directly from the wagons, bearing losses during continuous bombing, the soldiers rushed to the attack. Despite the unequal forces, Aktobe for several days restrained the advance of the enemy to Borovsk. Interacting with the cadets of the Podolsky Infantry School, the 312nd division held defenses on a 60-kilometer section of the front.
        On the approaches to the villages of Ischeno and Zelenino, the 1079th regiment of the 312th division fought desperately with two German divisions. Fierce hand-to-hand combat was replaced by fire contact. The artillery of the regiment defeated several large motorized convoys with infantry, and destroyed four tanks.
        On October 15, thirty tanks were attacking the Tyapino village along the highway. Fire batteries 13 of them were destroyed, the rest turned back. The next day, a battalion of SS men was thrown against the battery. Shells and ammunition ran out, gunners went on a bayonet attack. That day, out of 98 Kazakhstanis, only 17 were left alive.
        In the village, Detchino held the defense of the 1083rd Regiment of the Aktobe Division. For several days, three German regiments tried unsuccessfully to drive out our fighters. Seven times Detchino passed from hand to hand. The prevailing height of 209,9 was stuffed with metal and impregnated with blood. Having failed to take Detchino, the Germans went around her from the rear. Another two days, the regiment fought surrounded. Only when the ammunition ran out did the soldiers make a breakthrough. Of the two and a half thousand fighters, only a hundred remained alive.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 25 February 2013 21: 06 New
          +4
          The Nazis suspended the offensive for several days, waiting for the reserve. During this time, Maloyaroslavets pulled 53rd infantry division and 17th militia division... But, unfortunately, they were not ready for bloody battles. This is what the commander of the 43rd Army Golubev wrote in a report: "The infantry of these divisions fled under the onslaught of an infantry battalion and several tanks. I believe that the 17th and 53rd divisions are demoralized, and the guilty should be brought to justice. The barrage detachment should shoot all those fleeing from battlefields ".
          In fact, the front near Moscow was a defense point, where stubborn Kazakhstanis and Podillian cadets settled. The Nazis, met stubborn resistance Aktobe, regrouped and hit the flanks. Parts of the division were surrounded. She had to break through with battle to the Nara River. On October 22, 1941, the 312nd Infantry Division took up positions along the lines of the villages of Borisovo, Orekhovo, Makarovo, Markovo and Korsakovo. At that time, the division numbered no more than 20 percent of the state.
          On this day, in the Korsakov area, the Germans, in the amount of several companies, went on the attack. There were much fewer Kazakh fighters than fascists, but they opened such heavy fire that the Nazis hastened to get out of the battlefield. Inspired by luck, the Red Army wanted to attack Korsakovo, but Colonel Naumov did not allow this. Using the remnants of ammunition, he suppressed all attempts by the Nazis to go on the highway. The Germans created the illusion that fresh units act against them. At night, the remnants of the 312th division withdrew.
          October 23, 1941. The hardest day. The remains of the division defend the village of Orekhovo. All capable of holding weapons are thrown into battle. Naumov himself is with a machine gun in the trenches. Nobody thought about death. Everyone is used to it. There was essentially no division. At the last frontier stood only a platoon of machine gunners and staff workers. But they survived. By the end of the day the Germans had stopped the offensive. And at night a fresh 93rd Far East Division came up.
          On October 24, the remains of the 1083rd regiment under the command of Lieutenant Christopher Kazarin, junior political instructor Dusup Alseitov and mortar crew commander Nuratdin Aymagambetov left the circle from under Detchino.
          In two weeks of bloody battles, more than 10 Aktobe citizens died. Only 000 fighters remained in the division. Combining the remnants of his soldiers with units of the 1rd and 096th divisions, Colonel Naumov began to form a new division. He asked her to leave the previous number - 53, but the command decided differently. The part was given the number of the 17rd Infantry Division. She fought defensive battles, and then went on the offensive in the battle of Moscow, liberated Maloyaroslavets and Medyn. It has come a long way from the walls of Moscow to Austria.
          And the 312th division was again created in August 1942 in Altai. She, too, had a glorious battle road, she reached Berlin. But there were no Aktobe residents in it. They all died in the fields near Moscow. "
    3. them
      them 26 February 2013 23: 57 New
      +2
      Marek rozny,
      DNO divisions were the most stable during the defense of Moscow, although they suffered heavy losses. Most of them subsequently became guards. Parts surrounded by Vyazma did indeed perish, but at the same time delayed the enormous number of German troops. The Wehrmacht was corny no one to attack. And the score of the defenders of Moscow was battalions. Kazakh divisions are certainly cool, but Halder had a different opinion about the strength of Asian formations. By the way, referring to the article, it was not Guderian who attacked Moscow, but Goth.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 1 March 2013 00: 51 New
        +2
        Well, Halder is so Halder. In his War Diary, on June 29, 1941, he first wrote: "... they surrender, first of all, where the troops have a large percentage of Mongolian peoples (in front of the 6th and 9th armies)".
        But already on July 5 I had to write:
        "During the battles with the 'hordes of Mongols' (obviously, Stalin's personal bodyguards), wedged into the rear of the 6th Army, the 168th Infantry Division showed complete failure. A change of command staff is necessary."
        On July 8, 1941, the commander of the 168th German Infantry Division was removed.

        ZY "Mongols and Turkmens, backed up by commissars, is a terrible thing" (c) laughing

        Z.Z.Y. Of course, the German armies were thoroughly battered after Vyazma, but there were still several times more of them than the defenders.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 1 March 2013 01: 01 New
          +3
          I think you have already read this funny opus:
          "Summary of German military memoirs: Halder, Guderian, Manstein, Melentin, Tippelskirch and others"

          1) Hitler disturbed us. Hitler was stupid The German soldier was rulez. The German commander was like Great Frederick, but without vicious inclinations.

          2) Russians overwhelmed us with meat. The Russians had a lot of meat. The Russian soldier is a child of nature, he eats what he cannot run away from him, sleeps standing up, like a horse, and knows how to leak. The author has repeatedly witnessed how entire Russian tank armies were leaking through the front line, and nothing betrayed their presence - it would seem that yesterday, the usual artillery preparation, bombing, the Russian offensive, and suddenly once !!! - in the rear is already the Russian tank army.

          3) SS sometimes a little over the top. That is, if everything were limited to the usual robberies, executions, violence and destruction, which the German soldier sometimes practiced from an excess of valiant power, many more people would accept the new order with pleasure.

          4) The Russians had a T-34 tank. It was not fair. We did not have such a tank.

          5) The Russians had a lot of anti-tank guns. Each soldier had an anti-tank gun - he hid with her in the pits, in the hollows of trees, in the grass, under the roots of trees.

          6) The Russians had many Mongols and Turkmen. Mongols and Turkmen, backed up by the commissioners is a terrible thing.

          7) The Russians had commissars. Commissars is a terrible thing. A-priory. Most of the commissioners were Jews. Even zh.dy. We have not destroyed our Jews in a businesslike way. Himmler was stupid

          8) The Russians used a dishonest method - they pretended to give up, and then - RRA! and shot the German soldier in the back. Once, a Russian tank corps, pretended to surrender, shot a whole heavy tank battalion in the back.

          9) Russians killed German soldiers. In general, it was a terrible zapadlo, because honestly, it was the German soldiers who were supposed to kill the Russians! Russians are all ... evil without exception.

          10) Allies betrayed us. In a sense, the Americans and the British.
          1. them
            them 1 March 2013 16: 38 New
            +1
            Marek rozny,
            Yes, I am familiar with this whining. They were also very surprised that it snows in Russia and there are frosts. And they are in shorts and even on bicycles. In general, it was a shame to write such a thing in the memoirs — a nation that was serious, warlike. Someone wrote: the Teutonic spirit was broken by Slavic perseverance. It is what it is.
  15. busido4561
    busido4561 25 February 2013 17: 26 New
    +3
    Marek Rozny (5) Today, 15:08 ↑ ↓ new 0
    But modern Muscovites for some reason reacted very negatively to the fact that the new metro station was named "Alma-Atinskaya" in honor of these guys. How much hatred and bile poured into the internet.



    I don’t understand them either. request Glory to the People - the Winner!
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    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 25 February 2013 20: 02 New
      +2
      ))) Is there somewhere this photo?
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 25 February 2013 20: 31 New
        +1
        I searched in different ".formulations", in the internet there are many photos taken by Sheinin, but this one is not. Maybe they censored. A couple of years ago they showed an interview with a front-line general who mentioned this index.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 25 February 2013 20: 55 New
          +3
          Sorry. But I fully believe in the credibility of the case. Where, where, and in war, the mate has always been, is and will be. And as curses, and as inspiration)
          By the way, the phraseological unit "battlefield", which means "battlefield" is really associated with the concept of mate. In the old days, Russian knights did not immediately begin to fight to the death with co-brothers from a neighboring principality - after all, it was not just morally to fight against their own Russian, and therefore first "warmed up" with swears, insulting the enemy prince, and then all his warriors. And then nothing held back in the battle. So it was preserved in the Russian language - a battlefield, a swearing field.
          1. them
            them 27 February 2013 17: 43 New
            +2
            Marek rozny,
            As the notorious General Swan used to say, the mat-basis of combined arms combat.
      2. them
        them 27 February 2013 17: 38 New
        +1
        Marek rozny,
        This episode is in one of the war films, in my opinion, "Liberation". Only there, no shit we get, well, in an artistic sense.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 1 March 2013 00: 55 New
          +3
          We need to re-watch. Especially since I was going to do it for a long time.
          By the way, the other day I revisited "They fought for the Motherland" and "The battalions are asking for fire." Great movies!
  17. Alf
    Alf 26 February 2013 00: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Evrepid
    Actually, I think it’s right that she was caught and given to the Gestapo.
    And there with those read me by anyone. Nehru touch my house! Let her burn her first ... And then she didn’t burn her, but let a stranger let a red rooster so please.

    Then, based on your logic, it was necessary for her to tell the Germans-he’s touchless to touch my house, leave here. I wonder how much SECOND she would have lived?
  18. erg
    erg 26 February 2013 09: 34 New
    +2
    About the inhabitants of the Moscow region during the war. I will briefly tell the story of my grandmother. She comes from the village of Safkino, Istra district. Where the New Jerusalem Monastery is located. There are actually no villages. Before the war, there were three villages, Safontievo, Safkino, forgot the third. The Germans came, drove the inhabitants out of their homes, in the cold. They huddled, some in dugouts, some in a bomb shelter (at the beginning of the war, by order of village councils, bomb shelters were rummaged in the villages, I don’t know if everyone did, but where did my grandmother live). During the retreat, all the surrounding villages were burned, the monastery was blown up (still being restored). In the midst of fighting, residents began to be evacuated. Shells delivered vehicles to us from Moscow, residents were taken back by the same vehicles. Placed at train stations in Moscow. Then my grandmother with her mother and brothers returned to the village (more precisely, on the ashes). Of the three villages, one was rebuilt, named Safontievo. Even before the end of the war, each resident was determined the place where his house will be, calculated a loan for construction, for a period of ten years, a plot for a house the size of 18 acres. True, they did not give out the money, but delivered building materials for the entire amount. In 46, my grandmother with her mother and brothers moved from a dugout to a house. Roof straw was taken from collective farm fields after the harvest. Nobody caught or planted anyone for it. And at 48 they covered the house with slate. Interestingly, my great-grandmother, an ordinary collective farmer, paid the loan in three years. The house remained in our family even when the grandmother moved to live in Moscow. Interesting fact. Near the village there is a Kuybyshev dam on the Istra River. It seems that the one that was blown up, but how many I did not ask the old-timers, no one remembers the explosion of the dam, as well as the discharge of water from the Istra reservoir.

    And yet, regarding the read. I recalled a poem by Eugene Dolmatovsky, a poet, a participant in the war. Dedicated to militias. I consider it appropriate to quote the text of this poem:

    WE LIVE WELL ON THE EARTH

    We live well on earth,
    We dispute in comfort and warmth.

    With fun and arrogant heights
    Twenty years,
    When everything is clear
    You utter unquestioningly
    That many sacrifices were made in vain.
    For example:
    Why professors
    In a tragic militia,
    Out of tune and funny shouting "Hurray,"
    They went on the attack, forgetting their significance?

    Like a moth, crushed pince-nez,
    And the first snow does not melt on the eyelashes.
    They don’t remember autumn in the spring,
    And that October, not many dream.

    Tortured by shards of the forest
    And a handful remained from the regiment of fighters.
    They only lasted two hours
    At the torn line of Solnechnogorsk.
    Only two hours! ..
    ... for this short time
    Catch in that flaming area
    Collect babies to the east
    Send under bombardment in the echelon.
    As far as I remember, you were among them.
    ... We live well on earth!
    1961
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 26 February 2013 11: 29 New
      +2
      Insightful verse. And the story about the grandmother is very interesting.
    2. Evrepid
      Evrepid 1 March 2013 14: 14 New
      0
      I will not dispute your story.
      I will tell you what happened in the village of my grandmother after the war:

      ЗП per month for the work of the milkmaid - 47 rubles
      Pay with PO sticks.

      Take anything from the harvested field, God forbid, you could rattle on the Kolyma.
      Around the fields, even the harvested ones, are the constant patrols of the bogies.
      There was no talk of restoring the destroyed buildings.

      On the shoulders of the grandmother after the war fell:
      - household
      - 5 children
      - wounded husband

      About the wealth that you describe, I will add what was said only by the following fact:
      Father began to wear shoes only in the army.
  19. George Davydov
    George Davydov 16 December 2017 21: 26 New
    0
    Any event is judged by the way they say that God gave. And since everyone prays to his god, his god gives his fan what he can, and therefore the attitude to events is different. If before the war, during the war and after the war, the Nazis were perceived as a fiend of hell, and who were destroyed as much as possible, then the current generation, thanks to caring educators, treats them differently. Therefore, it is not unusual that if they regret that the Nazis were defeated, then they are ready to curse the SOVIET SOLDIER and the SOVIET PEOPLE FOR THE VICTORY OVER THE ENEMY. It is precisely such people who strive to level communism with fascism, to paint the concerns of the fascist invaders in relation to peaceful Soviet people, etc., etc., etc. Therefore, the attitude of those who write to the defenders of the people and their enemies shows their ideological and political position. And not only to the people of that time, but also of our time. And on the basis of this, it is possible to predict which side they would take at that bloody and cruel time. And this suggests that it is necessary to publish similar materials more often and discuss them with the general public. Then, probably, it will become clear to many what position they personally stand on and their readiness to fight for or against the people.