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Political crime in Brest-Litovsk

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Political crime in Brest-LitovskIn the beginning of March 95 will be celebrated since the signing of the disgraceful Brest peace. Unfortunately, so far our historians have not figured out what actually happened then.

6 January 1918 (old style) Lenin and his sister went to the children's tree in Sokolniki. He drove the pre-commissar by car "Belleville-SMT" from the Tsar's garage, driven by Stanislav Gil - the personal driver of Empress Alexandra Feodorovna. But if the royal ride by car was provided by hundreds of guards, then Lenin was driving without protection, except for the same Gil. Not far from the current Third Ring Road, the car would have been stopped by a gang of robbers Yanka Koshelkov. Lenin without an altercation gave the raiders a purse, Browning and a car. By the way, this is exactly the behavior that the American police have been instructing citizens for when they meet with bandits for half a century. Well, in the evening of January 6, the KGB detachments were already stripping Moscow streets. In 1918 – 1919, all gang members, including Yanku, were killed or shot. And Lenin got his Belgian Browning back.

Later, Lenin compared the signing of the Brest Peace Treaty to a situation where a person finds himself at the throttles of the revolver muzzers. Like the gang of Yanki Koshelkov, the Kaiser did not get a robbery for the future. Six months after the signing of the Peace of Brest, in November 1918, a revolution began in Germany, and 13 in November 1918, William II fled to Holland. Now the Soviet government has completely annulled the Brest Peace. Now the Entente began to plunder Germany.

Immediately after the signing of the Peace of Brest, Lenin assumed full responsibility. Later, Soviet historians will sing the wisdom of the great leader. But after 1991, anti-Soviet historians pulled out of the garbage pit stories propaganda pearls of Kerensky and the company of the 1917 model of the year: “Lenin is a German spy”. Modern truth lovers put down puzzles, and a beautiful picture came out: Lenin in February - March 1917 received a large sum of money from the Kaiser and a “sealed wagon” for delivery to Russia. In exchange, Lenin perpetrated the October Revolution and concluded the Brest Peace.

The Bolsheviks of 70 have driven the national history into the Procrustean box of Marxist dogmas: “History is the struggle of classes”. According to the Soviet, and now anti-Soviet history, it turns out that the working class, led by the Bolshevik party, overthrew the autocracy in February 1917, and in October 1917, the Provisional Government was overthrown by the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks in February 1918, concluding the Peace of Brest, gave a third of the country to the mercy of the Germans. The same Bolsheviks in the stubborn battles with the White Guards won the Civil War.

I will not argue who was good and who was bad. I can not understand why the Civil War lasted for three years. In the middle of 1919, the Red Army consisted of over 3 million bayonets and sabers, and in all the white armies combined, there were never over 300 thousand.

Moreover, all the defense plants of Russia worked for the Reds - Obukhov, Petrograd Cannery, Petrograd Metal Plant, all factories of Nizhny Novgorod, mining plants of Petrozavodsk, weapons factories Sestroretsk and Tula and dozens of others. For six months at Kolchak (sabotage of workers) Perm and Votkinsk factories worked.

All military warehouses of the Russian army were in the center of the country and went to the Bolsheviks. As for the front-line warehouses of the Russian army, they were overwhelmingly looted by runaway deserters in the fall - winter of 1917 – 1918, by Germans, Austrians, Romanians and others, and only the crumbs of the Volunteer Army.

Kolchak, Denikin, Yudenich and Miller had no connection with each other. Meanwhile, the red corps and even the army for several days were transferred by rail from one front to another. The Baltic destroyers successfully operated on Ladoga, Kama, Volga and the Caspian. Should we continue to talk about the strategic advantages of the Reds?

Casket opens simply. In 1919 – 1920, separatists of all stripes held under the gun from 3 to 5 millions of bayonets and sabers. So the Civil War is first of all a war of the Red Army with the separatists, and only the second with the White Guards.

For example, let's take just one month of the Civil War - May 1920 of the year. It was 7 in May that Baron Wrangel launched an attack on Perekop - his first and last operation against the Bolsheviks. By this time, Wrangel had 25 thousand bayonets and sabers under arms, and the Red Army had 5 million. But on May 7, Wrangel was opposed by only one 13 Army of the Southeast Front consisting of 16 806 people. And where is the rest of the red forces?

The fact is that in April of 1920, the head of the Polish state of Pilsudski attacked Soviet Russia. By this time he managed to bring his army to 738 thousand people. 6 May 1920, the Poles took Kiev, and the baron decided that his hour had come.

Alas, the Red Army fought not only on the huge 800-kilometer Polish front. Around 150, thousands of Red Army men were “in the veil” on the Karelian Isthmus, protecting Petrograd from the Finns. May 18 The Red Army finally liquidated the puppet North Karelian state created by the Finns, with its capital in Ukhta (Arkhangelsk province). In May, fierce battles with the Finns were going on throughout Karelia.

May 1 Red Army and Volga-Caspian flotilla Musavatists were knocked out of Baku. By the end of the month, the entire territory of modern Azerbaijan was cleared of Turks and Musavatists. On May 18–19, the ships of the Volga-Caspian flotilla and the red cavalry, which arrived on dry land, forced the capitulation of British troops in the Persian port of Anzali. And by the end of May they had cleansed the whole of North Persia from the British. In Central Asia, in May, the Red Army conducted a sweep of the Trans-Caspian region and the Khiva Khanate, occupied in February – April 1920. The Red Army accumulated strength to strike the Bukhara emirate.

Here are the bare and undeniable facts. The rhetorical question is with whom did the Red Army fight in civil war, and why in the writings of Soviet and anti-Soviet historians devoted to the hostilities in 1920, did 90% of the text be given to the “black baron” and now “Russian folk hero” von Wrangel?

And who made the February 1917 revolution of the year? The Bolsheviks have 100-percent alibis — some in Sweden, some in the United States, and most in the depths of Siberian ores. The answer to the question was clearly formulated by Lenin: “This eight-day revolution was, if it is possible so to speak metaphorically,“ played out ”exactly after a dozen major and minor rehearsals; The “actors” knew each other, their roles, their places, their situation up and down, through and through, to any significant shade of political trends and methods of action. ” (VI Lenin. “Letters from afar.” Complete Works. Volume 31. Fifth Edition. Moscow. 1969).

These words of Lenin were like a bone in the throat of Soviet historians. Thus, the well-known historian Kasvinov explains to the reader that de "actors" are the proletariat. “The illogicality of the explanation, I think, is obvious. Replace Lenin with the word "actors" with the word "brothers" - everything would become clear. Alas, for some reason, the word “Freemasonry” has never been used in the 55 volumes of Lenin's works. ”

I read dozens of Masonic interrogations conducted by the NKVD in 1936 – 1938. They were charged with the most fantastic charges. But as soon as the defendants started talking about their Masonic activities, especially in the period from 1910 to 1921, the investigators rudely broke them off and continued to dodge about Trotskyism, sabotage, terror, and so on.

It was the masons, led by Prime Minister Kerensky and the "black cardinal" Nekrasov, who destroyed the Russian empire. It was under the Provisional Government, and not under the Bolsheviks, that Finland, Ukraine, and the Transcaucasus became virtually independent. It was Kerensky who in July 1917 recognized the power of the Central Rada over Ukraine. But the Soviet government never recognized either the Rada or the Hetmanshaft of Skoropadsky, or the Petliura's directory.

Note that all the leaders of the separatists, with the exception of the Central Asian khans, are entirely masons and socialists. Ban Pilsudski is a socialist and freemason. The first president of Ukraine, Mikhail Hrushevsky, is a socialist and a freemason. Simon Petlura is a socialist and freemason. The entire leadership of Georgia and Armenia are socialists and masons. Here only hetman Skoropadsky stands apart. He was not a socialist, but he was in the same bed with Kerensky and Petliura.

So, the Masonic revolution in February 1917 of the year makes the Russian army inefficient. The killings of officers, desertion, since March 1917, have become a mass phenomenon in all armies and fleets.

Guilty in the collapse of the army, following after the Masons, are separatists, especially Ukrainian. Yes, the Bolsheviks were also involved in the collapse of the army in April – October 1917. But, as Lenin said, “October 25 and I are defencists”. That is, from this time the Soviet government began to do everything to increase the country's defense. Nevertheless, at the end of 1917, the beginning of 1918, there was no one to resist the Germans.

Let us consider a brief chronicle of the events preceding the signing of the Brest Peace Treaty.

On the night of November 20, 1917, what the Allies were so afraid of happened. The Soviet government sent a telegram to the Supreme Commander General Dukhonin ordering the German command to offer an armistice. Late in the evening of November 21, the Allied embassies in Petrograd received from the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Lev Trotsky a note with a proposal to conclude an armistice with Germany and begin negotiations for peace. English diplomat George Buchanan advised to leave her unanswered. In the House of Commons, he recommended stating that the government would negotiate peace terms with the legally constituted Russian government, but not with those who violate the commitments made on September 5 1914.

German troops occupy Kiev after the conclusion of the Brest peace treaty. March 1918 of the year.

November 21 (December 4) 1917 of the year at the Sola railway station of the Molodechno-Vilna line was signed a "Armistice Agreement between the armies of the Russian Western Front and the German armies operating against the marked front" for the period from November 23 (December 6) to 4 (17) December 1917 of the year or until the general truce, if it comes sooner. The contract was valid on the front line from the town of Vidzy (Latvia) to the Pripyat River (Volyn).

9 (22) December peace negotiations began. The Soviet delegation put forward the principle of a democratic world without annexations and indemnities as their basis. 12 (25) December Richard von Kühlmann, on behalf of the German-Austrian bloc, announced that it had acceded to the basic provisions of the Soviet declaration of peace without annexations and contributions without the condition that the governments of the Entente countries would join the Soviet formula.

The Soviet government again invited the Entente countries to participate in the negotiations. 27 December 1917 of the year (9 January 1918 of the year) Kühlmann said that, since the Entente had not joined the negotiations, the German bloc considers itself free from the Soviet formula for peace. 5 (18) January The German delegation demanded the rejection of the territory of Russia over 150 thousand square meters. km, including Poland, Lithuania, parts of Estonia and Latvia, as well as large spaces inhabited by Ukrainians and Belarusians. At the suggestion of the Soviet government, negotiations were temporarily suspended.

Even 14 (27) December 1917, the German delegation suggested to the Bolsheviks "to take note of the statements expressing the will of the peoples inhabiting Poland, Lithuania, Kurland and parts of Estland and Livonia, their desire for full state independence and separation from the Russian Federation" and recognize that "these statements under the present conditions should be considered as an expression of popular will."

The will of the peoples of Kurland and Estland was reduced to separation from Russia and the creation of the Baltic (Kurland) duchy with its capital in Riga. Adolphe Friedrich of Mecklenburg-Schwerin became duke. Further, the duchy should have been part of the German Empire.

Looking ahead, I’ll say that on August 18 1918, the Sejm, from which all leftist deputies were excluded, declared Finland a kingdom. And on October 9, the Diet elected King Kaiser Wilhelm, brother-in-law of Kaiser Friedrich Karl (1868 – 1940), as king of the Hessian prince, and Per Evind Svinhuvuda, former chairman of the Finnish Senate, as the regent.

What can you do is the will of the peoples!

For the Ukrainian peasantry, Austria-Hungary did not prepare a duke there, but the real tsar of all Ukraine, Vasil Vyshivany, in the “girlhood” of Wilhelm Franz Habsburg-Lorraine, the second cousin of Emperor Franz Joseph I.

The Kaiser had other plans for Little Russia. And on January 4 of 1918 (December 22 of 1917), the delegation of the Central Rada, the independent supporters, was rushed to Brest-Litovsk. Head of the delegation of the Ukrainian People's Republic Vsevolod Golubovich 28 December 1917 of the year (10 January 1918 of the year) announced the declaration of the Central Rada that the power of the Council of People's Commissars of Soviet Russia does not extend to Ukraine, and therefore the Central Rada intends to conduct peace negotiations independently.

27 January (9 February) 1918, Germany and Austria-Hungary signed a peace treaty with the government of the Central Rada. On behalf of the Rada, the signature was put by Alexander Sevruk, entrusted by the Chairman of the Central Rada, Mikhail Hrushevsky. According to this agreement, Central Rada pledged to supply Germany and Austria-Hungary with 31 July 1918, 60 million pounds of bread, 3 million pounds of live cattle weight, 400 million eggs, hundreds of thousands of pounds of lard, butter, sugar and other products.

German troops moved to Kiev, and the Austrian - to Odessa. Monitors and gunboats of the Austrian Danube Flotilla came to Odessa and tried to climb up the Dnieper, but failed to pass the rapids. February 16 (March 1) The first battalion of Saxon infantry appeared at the Kiev railway station. In Kiev, settled the main apartment of the German command, headed by Field Marshal Hermann von Eichgorn.

No less wounded and other independent. Thus, the ataman of the Great Don Army, cavalry general Peter Krasnov proclaimed an independent Don republic. The ataman and his company announced that the Don Cossacks were descended from Trojans, Etruscans, Amazons and others, and have nothing to do with Russia. And really, than the Don people are worse than the ancient ukrov?

Denikin openly called Krasnov a robber and a traitor. Peter Nikolaevich did not remain in debt: "My most terrible enemy is General Denikin." And Krasnov turned for help to Emperor Wilhelm II. German divisions directly from the "hetmanshaft" of Pavel Skoropadsky entered the Don Republic. The occupiers occupied Rostov, Taganrog and part of the Southeastern Railway. Grateful Krasnov sent the Kaiser dozens of trains with coal, bread, butter and other goods.

28 May 1918, the Georgian government was recognized by Germany, and Poti signed six agreements under which Germany received a monopoly on the exploitation of Georgia’s economic resources, and the port of Poti and the railway came under the control of the German command.

10 June German troops entered Tiflis, by 15 June there were about 5 thousand there. German garrisons were stationed in Kutaisi, Gori, Sighnagh, Samtredi, Novosenaki, Ochamchire and other settlements. Troops with artillery (over 10 thousand people) were stationed in Poti. There were a total of around 30 thousands of people in Germany (including prisoners of war and mobilized German colonists) in Georgia. They were commanded by Major General Kress von Kressenstein. German interventionists took control of the mail, telegraph, banks, military and financial departments. German instructors were attached to the Georgian army.

Under contracts with the Georgian government from 12 in July, Germany received the Chiatura manganese mines for operation for 30 years, the port of Poti for 60 years, the railway Shorapan - Chiatura - Sachkhere - for 40 years.

From May to September 1918, the German interventionists exported 30 million brands of copper, tobacco, bread, tea, fruit, wine and other products from 31 from Georgia, including 360 tons of manganese, 40 tons of wool, 350 XNUMX pieces of sheep skins.

So, what lands did Russia give to the Germans to the Germans by signing the Peace of Brest? Yes, not a bit! All occupied territories were given away by the separatists. Another question is that Lenin, not having an army, did not have the opportunity to turn the neck of the Pilsudski, Skoropadsky, Krasnov, Georgian Mensheviks. Or maybe the whole gop company was loyal Leninists?

By the way, General Peter Krasnov and ex-tsar Vasil Embroidered in 1941 – 1945 again started the game of separatism. And now our liberals and patriots together demand their rehabilitation as the innocent victims of the NKVD.

And a little detail. The separatists in 1918, with the help of the Germans, managed to split off much less land from the Russian state than Yeltsin took away from her in Belovezhskaya Pushcha in 1991.
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  1. Jaros81
    Jaros81 23 February 2013 09: 39
    -14
    Silenced, but the Bolsheviks, it’s over, as always with nothing? White and fluffy ...
    1. Octavian avgust
      Octavian avgust 23 February 2013 10: 10
      +5
      Do not confuse the true Bolsheviks and Trotskyite compradors!
      1. Jaros81
        Jaros81 23 February 2013 10: 30
        -7
        that those trash, that these trash - and I don’t confuse anything. in 1918 they were all committed to what would later be called Trotskyism
      2. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 23 February 2013 15: 26
        -9
        Trotsky and others take off type Sverdlov and there are true communists
      3. vitya29111973
        vitya29111973 17 March 2013 19: 39
        0
        By the way, Comrade Trotsky differed from the "true Bolsheviks" and was distinguished by his humanism, for which he received many reprimands and criticism from his comrades and from Tavarisch Lenin !!! After all, it was he who opposed the destruction of the Cossack estates (including women and children). Etc.
    2. Explore
      Explore 23 February 2013 14: 32
      +4
      Stumble. The Bolsheviks are to blame. Are all the rest white and fluffy?
    3. brelok
      brelok 23 February 2013 18: 49
      +3
      And there was no other way out! Try to fight without an army! If the Germans came to Peter and Moscow, all the plants and arsenals went to them. The country would not be kept! And England and the company gave more weapons to white than the Reds had.
    4. vitya29111973
      vitya29111973 17 March 2013 19: 35
      0
      Look how many minuses !!!! All the same, do not say a little. The Bolsheviks sent the people to Russia into the next world. So would look and minuses would be less !!!
  2. Octavian avgust
    Octavian avgust 23 February 2013 10: 13
    +9
    And a little detail. The separatists in 1918, with the help of the Germans, managed to split off much less land from the Russian state than Yeltsin took away from her in Belovezhskaya Pushcha in 1991.

    And really less! For more than 20 years we have not been able to collect these lands.
    Although recent trends are very encouraging!
    1. Beck
      Beck 25 February 2013 12: 16
      0
      Nevertheless, the position of some on protecting the Bolsheviks is incomprehensible.

      The ideology of communism was vicious at the time of its inception. Since Marx formed it on the promise of the invariability of the world. He suggested that economic relations in the future will remain at the level of the mid-19th century. Marx did not foresee or did not want to foresee, but should, if he called himself a philosopher, the progressive progress of civilization. That is, most importantly, the working class could not become the hegemon of society. What is clearly seen now in developed countries. On conveyor lines are not workers, but robots and machines.

      The Bolsheviks added to this false theory their lies, concentrated in the slogans - "Peace to the peoples". Peace was not given, but began to be engaged in the export of revolutions. "Land to the peasants" Land was not given, but the meager personal allotments of the peasants and the estates of landowners were collected into collective farms. "Factory workers" The surplus value of the factories' products was not given to the workers, but taken into state ownership.

      But the promise of Freedom attracted the masses to their side. Who, then, knew about the duplicity of the adherents of war communism. And it was precisely the Bolsheviks who usurped power by a coup, and it was they who unleashed the fratricidal civil war.

      And Lenin needed Bretsky’s peace only to preserve the power of the Bolsheviks, because they didn’t have the strength to resist the German army at that moment. To preserve power, Lenin could give up almost everything if only he were given the opportunity to build communism, even if only in the Petrogarad and Moscow regions. Morality, morality, humanism among the Bolsheviks was not provided for at the very conception.

      And the Atanta intervention is an exaggerated rumor of the Bolsheviks. In Vladivostok, a total of 8 US troops landed. In Murmansk there were about 000 thousand Entente soldiers. In the Far East there were about 12 thousand soldiers of Japan. Even collectively, these are not the forces to conquer the vastness of Russia. Yes, they did not participate in any significant military operations. And by 28, all these troops were evacuated.

      The Brest peace made it possible to withstand the power of the Bolsheviks. But the course of history is relentless and by the 1990s, not a real chimera had fallen all over the world. China is currently not a socialist country. This is capitalism with a dictatorship, the junta of the top of the ruling party.
  3. apro
    apro 23 February 2013 10: 38
    +12
    They like to hang all the dogs on the red ones; what bad are they and the tsar, the priest, is a holy man so what ... did they throw him off in February 17? ladies and gentlemen, officers are all noble, highly pedigree like Russia, by October 17 they had missed the point that everyone fled from the front? six months passed and he lost power - also thanks to the red German revolution was accomplished.
    1. 123dv
      123dv 23 February 2013 13: 44
      +7
      Quote: apro
      We like to hang all the dogs on red

      Not that they love, but there is an installation!
      Not that we have, but everything was done and is being done so that we think that it is the Reds who are to blame for everything. Everything is literally!
      And if you look, the October 17 revolution was a desperate forced measure to save the existence of the Russian Empire as such.
      The consequences of the February 17 orange revolution were monstrous, and not taking action was just a blasphemous crime.
      The Bolsheviks did more than possible, but to say how cool all this was, even in Soviet times was forbidden, as it turned out, but only to the extent permitted by propaganda.
    2. strenadk
      strenadk 28 February 2013 12: 01
      0
      I agree one hundred percent !!!
  4. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 23 February 2013 10: 42
    +7
    ta-da - and history repeated itself - again all the princelings are independent, the people can hardly live - but "on their own", - the patrons will say - they will raise taxes, remove benefits, - but they will call them democrats - and everyone is happy - and the people - so what ask him (although in many cases I agree - they all want to live and not work in the majority - so they choose all kinds of trash)
  5. Octavian avgust
    Octavian avgust 23 February 2013 10: 43
    +3
    apro,
    They like to hang all the dogs on the red ones; what bad are they and the tsar, the priest, is a holy man so what ... did they throw him off in February 17? ladies and gentlemen, officers are all noble, highly pedigree like Russia, by October 17 they had missed the point that everyone fled from the front? six months passed and he lost power - also thanks to the red German revolution was accomplished.
    Totally agree with you!
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 23 February 2013 15: 28
      -4
      and type bgolshevichki in the decomposition of the army did not take part? is it true ?????
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps 24 February 2013 00: 09
        +8
        Quote: Yoshkin Cat
        and type bgolshevichki in the decomposition of the army did not take part? is it true ?????


        really, really, baby. for there was nothing left to decompose. Especially for you, I repeat for the hundredth time (for already said - negotiated): you open the work of the tsarist general Golovin "Military Efforts of Russia" (Golovin is never a Bolshevik, he read his lectures at West Point and even helped Vlasov create the ROA). and you read the whole terrible truth about why Russia has merged PMV. the book contains an actually firing list of people who put their hands to the military defeat of Russia and the collapse of the empire. Imagine the terrible thing: there is not a single lousy Bolshevik on that list, but all members of the august family, Dumaks, generals and industrialists. Moreover, Golovin has a detailed description of who, where, when, and what exactly was spoiling the warring Fatherland. therefore, it was unnecessary to propagandize the soldiers - they had everything in sight. including shortages of food, ammunition, defective weapons and uniforms. and at the same time the etual who lived with the general received a cart of fresh violets from Nice.
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 24 February 2013 12: 04
        0
        Quote: Yoshkin Cat
        and type bgolshevichki in the decomposition of the army did not take part? is it true ?????

        For the "especially gifted" I recommend typing "Kerensky's order No. 1" in the search.
        Well and further, in order, starting with "Wiki" and further. Text, cartoons of Germans, etc.
        And the "evil Bolsheviks are to blame ..." Just spit in your eyes ....
  6. sprut
    sprut 23 February 2013 10: 47
    0
    I am deeply convinced that the beginning of the 20th century is a complete tragedy for Russia! It’s hard to watch movies when red and white are cut, their own and their own. Another thing is when the separatists were destroyed. There was the Great Russian Empire, but the red infection swallowed and destroyed it. If it were not for the war, and even the king would have been stronger, then it is not known how it would all have ended. But what was it, history has no subjunctive mood, and it’s a pity that the USSR collapsed, the state was essentially ahead of its time ... We need to go further, without any revolutions !!! Happy holiday to all.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 23 February 2013 14: 02
      +1
      The revolution is 10 years later, when 85% of the country's population are peasants who cannot feed themselves, there will be no other way.
      1. sprut
        sprut 23 February 2013 20: 37
        +3
        There is nothing to panic; in wars with alarmists, they definitely cost! Do not wait for any revolution! Russia is reborn so slowly ...
  7. stranik72
    stranik72 23 February 2013 12: 46
    +3
    Well, to be absolutely precise, a month later this agreement was disavowed by the Soviet government; in general, from a political point of view, it enabled Poland, for example, to become an aggressor, and not a fighter for its independence. And it is unfortunate that the whites and the reds could not (and there were no attempts) agree, and it would be so 2 Russia think that after some time they could become one country without blood and loss, even after 10 years. but worse than a civil war. certainly not.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 23 February 2013 15: 29
      -7
      will agree? with whom? with bolshevichki? who organized the massacre of the Russian people with the money of the Jewish bankers? Trotsky and others like them or a form for the money of the Germans ??????
      1. Alone
        Alone 23 February 2013 19: 02
        +1
        Victim of the information war.
        1. dmb
          dmb 23 February 2013 23: 13
          +3
          That the victim is for sure, only earlier it was associated with the drunkenness of health workers. Note, not a single counterargument regarding what was said in the article is given, because Shirokorad referred to specific documents.
          1. Zynaps
            Zynaps 24 February 2013 00: 36
            +3
            Shirokorad has a harsh mix of God's gift with scrambled eggs. somewhere it refers, somewhere it breaks the gag. like links to such convenient masons. in principle, at Shirokorad’s VIF a lot was sorted by bones and came to a general agreement that his early works on artillery were of interest. Now, Shirokorada has covered the manege to become an expert in the field of everything.

            it is necessary to look not on the bare facts, but on the long-term consequences. "a spy from a sealed carriage" Lenin just threw a bone to the Germans in a hopeless situation, and six months later, with the ideological help of the same Lenin, the "Brest Peace" was destroyed, from the "given away" territories a buffer of limitrophes was formed under the Treaty of Versailles, and the German The General Staff was dispersed. that's what interesting shpiens are.
      2. stranik72
        stranik72 23 February 2013 21: 53
        +5
        Yoshkin Cat. Yeah, it's the whites who fought with the Entente, it's the whites who fought with the Czechs, it's the whites who fought the Germans. So, to clear your brains, read how the French responded to Wrangel's request for "help" in the fight against the Reds:
        On what conditions France recognized Wrangel as "de facto" ruler of southern Russia:

        1. To recognize all the obligations of Russia and its cities in relation to France with priority and interest on interest.
        2. France converts all Russian debts and a new 6.5% loan with partial annual repayment over 35 years.
        3. Interest payment and annual repayment are guaranteed:
        a) By transferring to France the right to operate all railways of the European part of Russia.
        b) By transferring to France the right to levy customs and trade duties in all ports of the Black and Azov Seas
        c) By providing France with surplus bread in Ukraine and the Kuban region
        d) By placing at the disposal of France 1/4 of the production of oil and gasoline
        d) Transfer 1/4 of coal mined in the Donetsk region
        Paragraphs b), c), e) shall enter into force immediately upon the occupation by General Wrangel troops of the respective territories.
        4. In the future, Russian financial and commercial offices will be established at the Russian ministries of finance, trade and industry ...
        White needed power, not a country, and so they lost.
      3. Zynaps
        Zynaps 24 February 2013 00: 38
        +2
        baby, but can you pull up your pants and put on the barrel at least one Lenin debt bill to Jewish bankers? and then, they say, in their department with strict reporting.

        and also, would you like, as a Russian man offended by Lenin, to pay the British and French your share of royal debts with interest from which Lenin so unjustly freed you?
  8. Vlaleks48
    Vlaleks48 23 February 2013 13: 01
    0
    It’s incomprehensible to the mind, to what a gracious one was convincingly stated! That is, the whole shtetl proletariat, as it were, have nothing to do with it!? They came to the ready-made one! Bravo!
    Where is the droushka?
  9. Ascetic
    Ascetic 23 February 2013 13: 39
    +6
    But was there a civil war in the sense in which we imagine it? AND
    maybe this was still an armed intervention of the Western countries in Russia? And if it was, when and where exactly, and who fought with whom? Let's look at the common word
    solid historical facts and eyewitness accounts.
    After the victory of the revolution in October 1917 a period has come which is known in Soviet history as "Triumphal march of Soviet power"
    And this is not a lie - a procession truly triumphant! Out of 84 provincial and other large cities, only 15 were established as a result of armed struggle. There was practically no resistance to the Bolsheviks anywhere, the Soviet power was established ALMOST everywhere in a PEACEFUL way. For some reason now this fact is consigned to oblivion, and the emphasis is on the "Red Terror" as the cause of the civil war, which, as we see, during the period of the formation of Soviet power, there was NOT. And this is also a fact. For some reason, no one rose to fight for the Constituent Assembly, elections, freedom and democracy, but submitted to the "usurpers-Bolsheviks" This is what the well-known special envoy Lockhart reported to London about that period

    St. Petersburg lived a strange life. The Bolsheviks have not yet succeeded in establishing the iron discipline characteristic of their regime today. Essentially speaking, they hardly tried to do this. There was no terror, and the population was not too afraid of their new masters. Anti-Bolshevik newspapers continued to come out, showering the Bolsheviks with abuse. Restaurants and cabarets were opened; the latter, in any case, were always crowded ”
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 23 February 2013 14: 01
      +6
      Where was the war? Where was the triumphal march of Soviet power met with hostility, and was this resistance just a civil war or banal separatism and national extremism of the estate and national outskirts and local "elites"?
      November 1917 In almost all of Ukraine, the nationalist Central Rada was established and nearby the "Cossack" governments of the Don, Kuban and Orenburg under the leadership of atamans Kaledin, Filimonov and Dutov did not recognize Soviet power and openly opposed the Bolsheviks. In Belarus, the Belarusian Rada came out against the Soviet regime. In Tbilisi, a coalition government was created - the Transcaucasian Commissariat, which united Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijani nationalists. His national formations captured all of Transcaucasia, except for the Baku region, where Soviet power won. A number of counterrevolutionary "governments" and khanates were also formed in Turkestan and Siberia.The goal of all these governments was not the restoration of the monarchy and the Russian Empire, not the class struggle, namely, separatism and separation from Russia and the creation of "independent" states under the tutelage of the Entente And this is a very important point about which they are also silent, blaming it all on the civil war. During this period, local hostilities of the Red Guard units against the separatists unfolded. In history, this period is known as "echelon war" because
      the fighting took place mainly along the railways. They were fought few units from several hundred to several thousand people. Note, since now it has also become a little-known fact, the Soviet government at that time there was no regular army. The huge old army was spontaneously demobilized, and the Decree on the formation of the Red Army was issued only at the end of January 1918, and a new army was formed on a voluntary basis.
      Nevertheless, already in the first half of December 1917, the Antonov-Ovseenko Red Guard detachments occupied the Kharkov region, where the 1st All-Ukrainian Congress of Soviets announced Ukraine by the Soviet Socialist Republic. In January 1918, rebel workers and peasants with the help of Soviet troops captured the Left Bank and southwestern Ukraine. February 8 was occupied by Kiev. The Central Council fled to the Zhytomyr region and turned for help to ... Germany
      On the Don Soviet troops Sivers, Sablin and Petrov in January drove parts of Kaledin and the Volunteer Army (at that time - 3-4 thousand people) from the Donbass and the northern part of the Don region. Rostov-on-Don was taken on February 24, Novocherkassk on February 25. Kaledin shot himself, and the remnants of his troops fled to the Salsk steppes.
      Kuban Council in January - February, in battles with Soviet troops, she lost the eastern and northern regions of the Kuban region. On March 14, her troops were driven out by revolutionary detachments from Yekaterinodar (now Krasnodar) and fled beyond the river. Kuban.
      On the South Urals Red Guard detachments occupied Orenburg on January 31, 1918, dropping the remnants of Dutov’s troops into the Turgai steppes.
      "The forces that the ataman Dutov could oppose to the Bolshevik onslaught were insignificant and consisted of small officer, junker and volunteer detachments, as well as several village squads."

      In February, Soviet units defeated Romanian invaders intruder Bessarabia (Moldova), forcing the Romanian government to sign an evacuation agreement from Bessarabia in March.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 23 February 2013 14: 17
        +9
        В Belarus in January, the Belorusskaya’s attempt to seize power was abolished, and in January - February the Polish Dovbor-Musnitsky corps was defeated. AT Siberia in December 1917 - January 1918 the rebellion of the cadets in Irkutsk was suppressed and all local counter-revolutionary "governments" were liquidated. The remnants of the Cossack detachments of the atamans Semyonov and Kalmykov fled to Manchuria, where began to seek help from ... Japan (!). And these are "legendary Russian patriots" !! They sold worse than Judas!
        В Turkestan in January 1918 the Cossack rebellions in Samarkand and Chardzhou were suppressed, in February the Kokand Autonomy was liquidated, and in early March the Semirechensk Cossack “government” in Verny (now Alma-Ata) was liquidated. All of Central Asia and Kazakhstan, except for the Khiva Khanate and the Bukhara Emirate, became Soviet. Things will still come to these, but at that time the influence of the British was very strong there, just as in Transcaucasia, where Soviet power could not be established. And by March 1918. Soviet authority won almost everywhere over separatism with the exception of the Caucasus and Central Asia. That was such a civil war from October 1917 to March 1918.
        So why did Soviet Russia suddenly find itself in the ring of fronts?
        That's how: from the end of February to the beginning of March 1918, the imperialist powers of both coalitions fighting in the World War launched a large-scale armed invasion of its territory.... So much for the civil "fratricidal war"!
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 23 February 2013 15: 33
          -7
          well, destroy the country, and then type clear the place for subsequent robberies
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 24 February 2013 01: 51
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          from the end of February to the beginning of March 1918, the imperialist powers of both coalitions fighting in the World War launched a large-scale armed invasion of its territory

          Yes, but she was still civil. February 22 began the legendary Ice Camp ... People who did not want the power of Bronstein and Co. first showed. what a professional army can do.
          “On February 22, 1918, the famous" Ice Campaign "(1st Kuban) began from Rostov-on-Don to Yekaterinodar with fierce battles. This was the first retreat of the newly formed Volunteer White Army on the initiative of General M.V. Alekseev under the command of first L.G. Kornilov, and after his death - A.I. Denikin. In essence, at first it was not an army, but a large officer partisan detachment, which included 36 generals, 2103 officers and 1067 privates (including 467 cadets and high school cadets). So many soldiers of the Russian Imperial Army, gathered on the Don after the October Revolution, decided that they had no right to lay down their arms and go home at the end of the lost Great War, which ended with the occupation of the Fatherland by the red woman ... the Bolshevik International. The medical staff consisted of 148 people - 24 doctors and 122 sisters of mercy. The army was followed by a train of refugees. Volunteers at first did not receive support from the local bourgeoisie and the Don Cossacks, above all the necessary donations, therefore they were forced to leave Rostov before being occupied by the superior red forces. ”Http://www.rusidea.org/?a=25022201 The offensive of German imperialism, since it was aimed at overthrowing the dictatorship of the proletariat, was in the interests of the Allies. Therefore, the representatives of England and France in Russia - Nulans, Lockhart, etc. - for their part tried in every possible way to drag the Soviet government into the war with Germany. They promised the Soviet government weapons and means so that Soviet Russia would resume the war with Germany launched by tsarism. Representatives of the Entente even offered 100 rubles. for each fighter put up by the Soviet government on the anti-German front. All this was done in order to substitute the proletarian dictatorship under the crushing blow of the German armored fist. The Entente intervention was formally initiated by the landing in Murmansk on March 9, 1918, of a detachment of English sailors. . April 5, 1918 and the Japanese landed in Vladivostok, thereby embarking on the preparation of their long-planned further offensive into the depths of Siberia.
          Taking advantage of the fact that in Murmansk there was no genuine Bolshevik leadership, and the head of the Murmansk Council was the notorious Trotskyist (Yuryev) - a supporter of the war with Germany, the British command concluded an agreement with the council on joint actions against the Germans. In fact, the actions of the leadership of the Murmansk Council were betrayal, treason. At the same time, it is indicative that the Murmansk Council in its treacherous actions relied on the directive of ... Trotsky. The latter ordered the Murmansk Council to conclude any agreement with the Entente on assistance in the event of the advance of German troops. Yuriev used this order and concluded an agreement, according to which the British troops "legally" occupied, that is, actually captured the Murmansk Territory. Lenin and Stalin tried to influence the traitors by telegraph, demanded the abolition of this shameful agreement, but the Murmansk Soviet, referring to Trotsky, continued to dance to the tune of the invaders. http://militera.lib.ru/h/rabinovich/03.html

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      2. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 23 February 2013 15: 33
        -7
        for that there was a "red guard" of Latvians, Chinese and an urban criminal such as Lyonka Panteleev, they were the first to unleash wild terror against the Russian people, hiding behind obscene slogans like rob, rape, kill
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 24 February 2013 00: 16
          +2
          What, the Latvians and the Chinese great-grandfather of the candle factory expropriated that such hellish popol with screams? Anti-crisis vaseline with haloperidol
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 23 February 2013 15: 31
      -4
      Yeah, in our city a week after the proclamation of the power of the Sovets, the men dispersed the councils and exercised their assets, then the military power was installed on the bayonets of the Latvians! Triumphs, aphids!
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps 24 February 2013 00: 14
        +4
        But can you find out what kind of Gopnitsky Zamudonsk is? and I would like a reference to the facts about how the men dispersed the Soviets and flogged the asset. even if the Cossacks hosted local councils ...

        awakening, lord.
  10. Avenger711
    Avenger711 23 February 2013 14: 01
    +3
    Anyone who knows about the state of the Russian army after having spent all the miserable mobilization reserves for 4 months of the first war year, any world will look like the most favorable outcome, if only quickly. No guns, no grubbing, not even guns. What nafig war to a victorious end ?? Ok, one million more dead.

    The Germans laughed strongly with Ukraine, they should have quickly signed a peace, even under the conditions of maintaining the status quo ante bellum and the division to the west, to wet the Britons with the French. Even in real history, the Entente’s victory doesn’t come close to victory in the Second World War, and the Germans in 1918 fought the Entente very effectively. They would have gained more strength, maybe before the 1920s they would have fought and the world would have been on more favorable terms.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 23 February 2013 15: 34
      -10
      Yeah, and anyone knows that by the year 17, what were the supplies to the army, then these warehouses then for a long time were enough for the Judeo-Marxists
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps 24 February 2013 00: 59
        +4
        baby, read Golovin, don't watch TV - cocoa. the army fought from hand to mouth starting in 1916, animal-drawn transport was mobilized into the army, after which the suppliers could not collect food and fodder further than 10 miles from the railway. Allied supplies went by sea to Arkhangelsk. but what a misfortune! - Nikolashka 2.0 before the war developed railways mainly by building narrow gauge railways. and connected Arkhangelsk with Petrograd - attention! - as much as one whole narrow-gauge railway, exhausted from the turnover. As a result (there are plenty of eyewitnesses and documents), the cargo was stored right at the berths and the new cargo was piled on the old, which made a terrible mess. and so the racially loyal autocrats were dealing with military logistics. further more. the beginning of the famine in Petrograd. the commandant of the city gives out the remnants of food to the townspeople and reports to the king that there is nothing more to give. the kind, racially faithful king gives the commandant of the city the order to raise the garrison and shoot the hungry townspeople. the commandant shows the autocrat a fig. here the February events of 1917, the arrival of the "temporary" ones, come in time, pogroms and arson began in the country (it was not the Bolsheviks who began to smash the priests), the national outskirts, Cossack villages and individual villages began to proclaim independence. the closest analogue is China during the warlord era. I suppose, would you like to live in free Kislodrischensk, surrounded by "friendly" neighboring provinces?
        1. Son
          Son 24 February 2013 19: 57
          0
          BRAVO..! From slam, well spelling out ..!
  11. wown
    wown 23 February 2013 16: 07
    +2
    and the question is posed by the author correctly!
  12. busido4561
    busido4561 23 February 2013 16: 58
    0
    Cognitive information. Congratulations to all Happy Defender of the Fatherland Day! soldier (busido4561, Kazakhstan)
  13. Alone
    Alone 23 February 2013 19: 00
    0
    Thanks to the author for an excellent article! I also studied a lot of this topic, but, as the author showed in his article, I missed a lot.
  14. stolbovsn
    stolbovsn 23 February 2013 19: 34
    +3
    Absolutely correct article.
    Do not forget where it came from February 23rd. The fact is that on February 22 a meeting of a group of General Headquarters with V.I. Lenin and I.S. Stalin took place where it was decided to create a regular Red Army instead of a voluntary Red Guard. And on February 23, her first clashes with German troops were near Pskov and near Narva. The battles were largely unsuccessful, but it was with them and with subsequent battles with the interventionists that the restoration of the borders of the USSR and Russia began.
    1. xan
      xan 24 February 2013 00: 04
      +2
      Quote: stolbovsn
      And on February 23, her first clashes with German troops were near Pskov and near Narva. The battles were largely unsuccessful


      and then from these "unsuccessful" battles the Red Army grew, and then the Soviet Army.
      And all of Russia with its huge potential
  15. understudy
    understudy 24 February 2013 00: 22
    +1
    Yeah ... again, the descendants of the unfinished White Guard sheluponi are trying to rewrite history.
    Little by little, little by little ... In order to realistically assess this or that action and its significance for the country and the state, one must live in that historical situation. Everything else from the evil one, depending on political predilections and ... the mental abilities of the "authors" of historical research.
    Long live the USSR and its creators!
  16. understudy
    understudy 24 February 2013 01: 58
    +1
    Well, yes, yes ... some of them now have heroes who fought in the ranks of the Essesses and other Vlasov’s troops. They certainly USSR, like a stake in the ass.
  17. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 24 February 2013 14: 18
    -4
    It was thanks to the red scum agitating in the troops that a shameful peace was concluded. Thanks to the red dogs, the Cossacks, the middle class and the kulaks were almost destroyed. Thanks to the red bellies, the agrarian country was dying of hunger, and they were pushing grain over the hill.
    1. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 25 February 2013 06: 36
      -2
      and yet, the NKVD correctly planted wives and children of enemies of the people. still would shoot better))))))
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 25 February 2013 13: 56
        0
        My dear, I’ll throw in you a grammar dictionary!
  18. knn54
    knn54 24 February 2013 17: 36
    0
    The Russian Empire saved Europe (and m. And the world) from the 1st Reich.
    The USSR did not allow the United States to become a world dictator immediately after the 1st World War.
    It is interesting that Romania, which signed the separate agreement earlier, was given by our allies to Bessarabia.
    "Got" and Ukraine-western lands, which were part of Austria-Hungary, gave Poland.
  19. strenadk
    strenadk 28 February 2013 12: 21
    0
    Enough informative article, thanks to the author!