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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is looking for a partner to share the unfinished 1164 missile cruiser

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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is looking for a partner country to share the unfinished 1164 missile cruiser (formerly the Ukraine cruiser) project. This was announced by the First Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Alexander Oleinik, reports "Ukrinform".

“The issue is being worked out with many countries, including the Russian Federation, regarding the possible sharing of this cruiser for the future. This is a difficult question. You know that Ukraine has been working on it for more than 10 years, ”said A.Oleinik.

According to the First Deputy Minister of Defense, the joint use of this cruiser will allow the Ukrainian military department to accumulate the resources needed to finance the development programs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

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  1. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 22 February 2013 13: 11
    +38
    what problems? give it to Russia, we’ll finish it at our own expense, and the shipyard is fine and people’s work and budget have a little penny, but the famous Ukrainian greed will not allow this
    and the "generous" offer to the Russians to finish building, and the admirals of the Navy will command a purely ukroinsky joke
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 February 2013 13: 27
      +19
      Quote: Yoshkin Cat
      give it to Russia, we’ll finish it at our own expense, and the shipyard is good and people have work and

      Kitty + but don’t bull, they will sell it to China, there is experience,
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 22 February 2013 13: 38
        +5
        So what? if they sell, they will not ask Russia

        and by the way, Vadim, let's say if we get this ship, what can be done with it? Apparently the fleet is going to switch to the mine location of the missiles, judging by the rumors about the modernization of Peter the Great sisterships
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 22 February 2013 13: 42
          +3
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          if we get this ship, what can be done with it?



          Dim is scrap for us, you won’t believe. but our brains are far from Chinese, much like cancer from us to China
          1. DERWISH
            DERWISH 22 February 2013 19: 19
            +3
            after 5 years, it will already be necessary to look for a partner for its disposal sad
            1. crazyrom
              crazyrom 22 February 2013 19: 56
              +1
              Quote: Yoshkin Cat
              what problems? give it to Russia, we’ll finish it at our own expense,

              Well, yes, do they owe us gas? Should. Is there any money? Not. Let them give the ship, they can’t master it, but they don’t need it.
            2. Simon
              Simon 22 February 2013 23: 15
              +1
              And what to look for recycling partners, there yourself. Experience is already there, the amers even paid green fees for the disposal of missiles and submarines, as well as for the cruiser. Only if of course the ruler comes across Gorbachev or Yeltsin thinking.
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 22 February 2013 17: 17
          +7
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          if we get this ship, what can be done with it?

          There are many projects:
          The first upgrade option is the most economical option: replacing the AK-130 gun mount with the AU-190 with 500 shots, which provided a sufficient supply of mass for a noticeable increase in shock capabilities.
          Replacement of Basalt / Vulcan anti-ship missiles with inclined launchers for 6 UKSK missiles Replacement of two Osa-MA air defense systems with two Pantsyr-M air defense missile systems; reducing the number of AK-630 to 1 in each onboard battery to keep weapons within the allotted mass. " Second upgrade option includes the replacement of the Fort-M air defense system with the more advanced Redut air defense system (16 modules of 8 cells, a total of 128 cells). At the same time, a powerful universal crane for loading missiles and lifting and lowering boats remains in place. The inclined launchers for 6 UKKS missiles are being changed to the inclined launchers for 8 UKKS missiles.Third Embodiment deprives the cruiser of a universal crane, based on the assumption of the support of the cruiser with specialized supply ships. This makes it possible to place an additional “medium caliber” on the cruiser - 4 four-container launchers of the Uran rocket launcher — a total of 16 anti-ship missiles. Fourth upgrade option represents an abstract discussion on the topic of what the Navy of the Russian Federation does not have for 2012 - a short-range air defense system with a vertical launcher.
          Saving mass would allow adding two more quadruple Uranus launchers, the total anti-ship missile system of medium caliber became 6 x 4 = 24 units (provided that the air defense missile system of the BD is not much heavier than the air defense missile system "Barak-1" of Israeli production. In particular, such an air defense system is located on the last three frigates of Project 11356M (the first of them is now completing sea trials) http://mirror.flot.com/blog/eslizavtravoina/proekt-modernizatsii-raket
          nogo-kreysera-proekta-1164.php? pagen = 4
          I somehow like No. 2.
      2. knn54
        knn54 22 February 2013 15: 13
        +3
        Not to the one who pays the most, but to the one who has the "envelope" (in the sense of a rollback) thicker.
        PS See cooperation with Hyundai regarding high-speed diesel locomotives.
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 22 February 2013 18: 43
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        will be sold to China

        Apparently, China does not want to buy in its current form. First they want Russia to pay for modernization. And then you can already sell lol
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 22 February 2013 15: 17
      +4
      There, a supply debt, gas and offer as repayment ...

      Kuchma offered EBN at one time to return Crimea for gas debts, And Our x "@ yen generously refused and forgave the debt ... wassat
    3. Larus
      Larus 22 February 2013 17: 54
      0
      They’ll give it to the Chinese rather than us.
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 22 February 2013 19: 01
      0
      The Ukrainian authorities have been persuading Russia to buy this unfinished cruiser for five years, but they are asking for a lot of money. Ours conducted a study on outfitting measures and the feasibility of buying this cruiser. The result is disappointing: completion will require a lot of money (a complete overhaul and modernization of everything is needed), and taking into account the required amount for the cruiser by the Ukrainian authorities, ours came to the conclusion that the purchase should be abandoned. But you can take it for free. Thus, to free Ukraine from spending money on the maintenance of the cruiser. Apparently Ukraine decided to scare Russia: "But we will sell it to China!"
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 22 February 2013 21: 42
        0
        To conduct a deal to sell a ship to China, Ukraine needs the consent of the Russian side. And without our approval, not a single bolt will go abroad.
        1. sniper
          sniper 22 February 2013 21: 47
          +5
          Quote: Corsair
          .And without our approval, not a single bolt will go abroad.

          I'm afraid that this is not entirely true ... They sold a lot of things, for which Russia then told them: "Byaka - byaka ...." But what's the point, it's already sold ...
      2. opkozak
        opkozak 22 February 2013 23: 06
        +2
        It’s not worth it, the whole country has been handed over for scrap metal ...
    5. wow
      wow 23 February 2013 12: 22
      +1
      I look at this "long-term construction" almost every day. Nobody remembers how many years he has been standing at the wall. In a word, a rusty trough. Which could once have become a cruiser. Kakly are very proud of him, or rather very proud. So we were "guarded"!
  2. in reserve
    in reserve 22 February 2013 13: 11
    +6
    Chet did not understand how this is used in sharing.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 February 2013 13: 14
      +3
      Quote: in stock

      Chet did not understand how this is used in sharing.

      We fat them, and they ship us hi
      Well, just no other options request
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach 22 February 2013 13: 14
      +11
      this is when some pay, while others use it. search for a freebie - it's so ... eternal.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 February 2013 13: 22
        +3
        Quote: dmitreach

        this is when some pay, while others use it.

        Nowadays, it’s more and more difficult to get LUHA. It used to be when Yeltsin was in power
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 22 February 2013 13: 39
          0
          whoever could explain it inconsequentially popularly, and yet the boat will rot ...
        2. wax
          wax 22 February 2013 18: 06
          +1
          Previously, they grabbed as much as it was possible to carry away, now - by gimbal.
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 22 February 2013 13: 38
        +1
        I see sharing only as a transfer to Russia. Russia pays for completion at Ukrainian shipyards.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 22 February 2013 14: 20
          +4
          Completion? I am afraid that it is necessary to disassemble it already, up to the keel ... The result will be like with Gorshkov-Vikramaditya. Cheaper to build new.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 22 February 2013 14: 32
            0

            Since July 2011, Marshal Ustinov has been undergoing major repairs ... must return to the fleet in 2014 ... Well, how many Admiral of the Fleet Lobov will they finish, remodel?
          2. morpex
            morpex 22 February 2013 16: 26
            +4
            Quote: dmitreach
            Completion? I am afraid that it is necessary to disassemble it already, up to the keel ... The result will be like with Gorshkov-Vikramaditya. Cheaper to build new.

            How bitter I am to realize this, but you are right. Here is the picture of 2009 of the year.
            1. DAOSS
              DAOSS 22 February 2013 21: 59
              +4
              Now he is in a much worse condition, only on Monday he stood and admired him bitterly. (while my movers were loading illiquid assets from warehouses)
              Khan and the ship and the factory. I don’t even understand what to sell or finish building there? and most importantly where? From the plant of 61 Communards, only the territory remained, and now there is nothing to rivet the boat out of.
              1. Simon
                Simon 22 February 2013 23: 28
                +1
                Yes! Now the problem is in Ukraine, what to do with the ship, and even to dispose of the cruiser, the same money is needed. belay
              2. Simon
                Simon 22 February 2013 23: 43
                0
                Yes! Now the problem is in Ukraine, what to do with the ship, and even to dispose of the cruiser, the same money is needed. belay
        2. wax
          wax 22 February 2013 18: 04
          0
          It is only possible as scrap metal. Secrets Ukraine can not be trusted for a long time.
    3. avt
      avt 22 February 2013 13: 21
      +2
      Quote: in stock
      Chet did not understand how this is used in sharing.

      Well, my friend! It's simple - mine is mine, yours is mine too laughing
    4. queen
      queen 22 February 2013 13: 26
      +1
      Who pays and the girl will dance. The second at the Black Sea Fleet we would have been oh no harm wink
    5. sniper
      sniper 22 February 2013 13: 32
      +54
      Quote: in stock
      Chet did not understand how this is used in sharing.

      So what is there to understand ???? The starter launchers are Ukrainian, and the starter launchers are ours .... In the middle of the deck are a control track and border guards with dogs. In case of disagreement between the countries, we deploy the settings to meet each other .... well, something like this .... wassat For this, each of the fleets can include 0,5 missile cruisers, which is equivalent to two frigates, or eight missile boats, or one middle-ranking state official in terms of budget load ....
      1. andrey122
        andrey122 22 February 2013 13: 52
        +3
        Gagaga. Cool said.
      2. Tirpitz
        Tirpitz 22 February 2013 14: 05
        +3
        Quote: sniper
        the composition of each of the fleets can include 0,5 missile cruisers, which is equivalent to two frigates, or eight missile boats, or one middle-ranking government official in terms of budget load ....

        +. Especially about the official.
      3. MG42
        MG42 22 February 2013 14: 57
        +2
        Quote: sniper
        Starboard launchers - Ukrainian, and starboard ours

        And that this issue is being worked out and with Belarus you do not even have access to the sea. smile , although our Yanukovych wanted to build a dock for you, making a reservation = a dock is being built for Bulgaria.
        1. sniper
          sniper 22 February 2013 15: 20
          +10
          So, unlike you independent ones, Belarus is a part of the Union State and does not think of its own fate without Russia, does not invite NAT to visit, does not spread to Americans, protects the western borders of Russia ... So on one of the installations (from the Russian board) " gunner "ours will be ... laughing wassat
          1. MG42
            MG42 22 February 2013 15: 57
            +4
            sniper,
            Well, and how does this state function in practice? 2 presidents cannot decide who is most important in order to unite into one truly state, with one currency and borders. And by the way a sniper, Ukraine does not shine in NATO, since the base is the Black Sea Fleet to the Crimea, and non-aligned status is prescribed in the laws. wink
            1. sniper
              sniper 22 February 2013 16: 01
              +6
              Quote: MG42
              Well, and how does this state function in practice? 2 presidents cannot decide who is most important in order to unite into one truly state, with one currency and borders.

              Well, not so good ... yet ... Although what functions well in the post-Soviet space? But Belarus keeps the borders from the west, and between us they are only on paper ... At least there will be no "trash" from Belarus, but from Ukraine, this is a question ...
              1. MG42
                MG42 22 February 2013 16: 15
                +2
                Quote: sniper
                but from Ukraine

                The gas issue quarreled the leadership of Ukraine and Russia, although it was optimistic that Yanukovych’s arrival extended the Black Sea Fleet’s base arena until 2042 and revoked Yushchenko’s decrees on conferring the title of Hero of Ukraine on Bandera and Shukhevych. Even there was such a picture, remember?
                1. sniper
                  sniper 22 February 2013 16: 19
                  +6
                  MG42, Yes, I remember everything .... bitterly it, the rulers butts, and the people suffer, because all the same, sooner or later we will unite ...
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 22 February 2013 16: 23
                    +2
                    We had this conversation about 2,5 months ago in the topic about the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning, the former "Varyag", and talked about the same, and so = >>> nothing has changed as in the saying = but things are still there. hi
                    1. sniper
                      sniper 22 February 2013 16: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: MG42
                      nothing has changed as in the saying = and things are still there.

                      Well, not so soon you can change modern realities, to live ...
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 22 February 2013 16: 32
                        +6
                        We will be alive - we will not die. drinks
                      2. sniper
                        sniper 22 February 2013 16: 36
                        +5
                        Quote: MG42
                        We will be alive - we will not die.

                        We will try! drinks
                2. bistrov.
                  bistrov. 22 February 2013 23: 27
                  +4
                  Quote: MG42
                  The gas issue has quarreled the leadership of Ukraine and Russia

                  The fact is that Yanukovych came to power under pro-Russian slogans, in addition, the electorate of the Communists voted for him when Simonenko did not get into the second round. After some time, Yanukovych gradually changed his rhetoric from pro-Russian to almost nationalist, did not cancel Yushchenko’s decrees on the assignment of heroes Ukraine Bandera and Shukhevych, these decrees were canceled by the court in the lawsuit of an ordinary citizen, moreover, this year the Kiev appeals court upheld the decree of Yushchenko recognizing the OUN-UPA as fighters for the freedom of Ukraine, half Yanukovych’s nationalists and former orange, the country is still undergoing violent ukroinization, only it is not advertised, all the media are left to the nationalists, from where the flow of untruthful, nationalist information flows to Ukrainian citizens, all sorts of Gorshenin’s institutes and Razumkov’s centers are deeply rooted, with American money leading subversive work in the interests of the United States and NATO, many educational institutions train students in the spirit of Ukrainian nationalism and hostility towards Russia and Russians in general, for example, the Kiev-Mohyla Academy, allegedly created with the money of the Ukrainian diaspora of Canada. Yanukovych’s regime is increasingly cooperating with NATO, for example, last year he went to Sevastopol and there was an American missile defense cruiser equipped with the Aegis system, for which Russia presented a note of protest to Ukraine, etc.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 22 February 2013 23: 42
                    +3
                    Quote: bistrov.
                    for example, last year I went to Sevastopol and for some time there was an American missile defense cruiser, equipped with the Aegis system, for which Russia presented a note of protest to Ukraine, etc.


                    And to whom the Russian Federation protested when the same approximately went to St. Petersburg and Vladivostok.
                  2. MG42
                    MG42 22 February 2013 23: 52
                    +3
                    Quote: bistrov.
                    The fact is that Yanukovych came to power under pro-Russian slogans, in addition, the electorate of the Communists voted for him when Simonenko did not get into the second round. After some time, Yanukovych gradually changed his rhetoric from pro-Russian to practically nationalist

                    I agree, this part in your post was in my earlier comments, I just do not like to repeat it.
                    Quote: bistrov.
                    did not cancel Yushchenko’s decrees on the assignment of heroes of Ukraine to Bandera and Shukhevych; these decrees were canceled by a court in a lawsuit

                    Here I will allow myself to be clarified, justice in Ukraine in such matters is a pure formality and depends solely on the will of the president’s administration (by calling the bank).

                    Quote: bistrov.
                    this year, the Kiev appeals court upheld Yushchenko’s decree recognizing the OUN-UPA as freedom fighters of Ukraine

                    Well, the heroes were not returned to Shukhevych and Bandera. To reconcile veterans of the Great Patriotic War and the OUN-UPA = Yushchenko’s venture failed miserably.

                    Quote: bistrov.
                    half of Yanukovych's entourage nationalists

                    I would like a list of specific names to compare.

                    Quote: bistrov.
                    all media outlets were left to the nationalists, from where a flood of untruthful, nationalistic information poured onto the citizens of Ukraine

                    Who owns Ukrainian. TV channels = oligarchs Khoroshkovsky <Inter>
                    Kolomoisky <1 + 1>
                    Following "1 + 1" are the news of Viktor Pinchuk's holding - ICTV, STB and Novy Kanal.
                    Poroshenko Channel 5
                    Akhmetov << Ukraine >>
                    The most oppositional TV channel in the country is still TVі. Is everything right?
                    Quote: bistrov.
                    The Yanukovych’s regime is increasingly collaborating with NATO, for example, last year he went to Sevastopol and for some time there was an American missile defense cruiser equipped with the Aegis system

                    Yes, I also posted this photo in my post earlier. good
                    1. Corneli
                      Corneli 24 February 2013 13: 28
                      0
                      Quote: MG42
                      Who owns Ukrainian. TV channels = oligarchs Khoroshkovsky <Inter>

                      Valery Khoroshkovsky sold Inter TV company

                      KH MEDIA LIMITED, owned by Valery Khoroshkovsky, has entered into an agreement to sell a 100% stake in INTER MEDIA GROUP LIMITED based on an estimated value of $ 2,5 billion. The buyer of the Group was GDF MEDIA LIMITED, owned by Dmitry Firtash.
                      The news is quite old ... strange that they did not hear)
                  3. Corneli
                    Corneli 24 February 2013 13: 27
                    0
                    Quote: bistrov.
                    Many educational institutions train students in the spirit of Ukrainian nationalism and hostility towards Russia and Russians in general, for example, the Kiev-Mohyla Academy, which was supposedly created with the money of the Ukrainian diaspora of Canada.

                    To admit, I didn’t catch your logic ... What side is the Kiev-Mohelian Academy, founded in 1992 !!!! belay Intersect with the movement of Yanukovych towards the west?) In short, a strange example
              2. Larus
                Larus 22 February 2013 18: 02
                -3
                Ours live on this side of the outskirts, the naughty people in Europe clean the toilets, and they are used to showing off when the owner holds everything in their hands.
          2. skrgar
            skrgar 22 February 2013 16: 09
            +2
            sniper,
            Why is this "our gunner will be on one of the installations" ???? - Together with everyone and shoot !! ..
            1. sniper
              sniper 22 February 2013 16: 13
              +1
              Quote: skrgar
              We’ll shoot together with everyone !! ..

              It is truth too !!! wassat We can always agree! drinks
              1. skrgar
                skrgar 22 February 2013 16: 16
                0
                sniper,
                drinks So am I about that !! ...
          3. wax
            wax 22 February 2013 18: 14
            0
            And (for) slate is not looking.
        2. mr.Man
          mr.Man 23 February 2013 02: 43
          +1
          Quote: MG42
          And that this issue is being worked out and with Belarus you do not even have access to the sea.
          In Riga or Tallinn there was a ship (!) Under the Belarusian flag, the port of registration was Minsk or Gomel, I don't really remember (the guys from the crew were funny ...), and also met several "steamers" under the Czech flag with a postscript to the port of Prague. ..
          Why do not they have warships?
      4. Quiet
        Quiet 22 February 2013 15: 21
        0
        .. Felling two too ???? lol

        It’s easier to split Siamese twins than a catamaran, but here it doesn’t smell like a catamaran !!!!! laughing
        1. sniper
          sniper 22 February 2013 15: 29
          +4
          Quote: Quiet
          Two cuttings too ????

          And the cabin then what for ??? It is generally not necessary to launch it into the water, there will be more harm from it than there will be any benefit ... So, an article in the budget is enough ... wassat
      5. Quiet
        Quiet 22 February 2013 15: 49
        +6
        So what is there to understand ???? Starboard launchers - Ukrainian, and starboard ours


        .. Above the left side will develop "zhivto-blockit" over the right "Andreevsky" ... request The commander of the American group, who sees this, will lose their brains wassat and he will stupidly trample on the Spanish lighthouse where he will be waiting for the canary in the cage and two bottles of beer for dinner (from Zadornov’s humoresque) .. lol
        1. sniper
          sniper 22 February 2013 15: 54
          +1
          Quote: Quiet
          and he stupidly trample on the Spanish lighthouse
          This is where they belong! And then they go around the seas, you know .... We have been talking about non-standard answers for a long time, and they’ll get ... wassat
          1. Quiet
            Quiet 22 February 2013 22: 42
            +2
            The non-standard answer is "Submarine air combat" !!!!! laughing
      6. Shturmovik
        Shturmovik 22 February 2013 17: 57
        +1
        What about the captain?
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 22 February 2013 22: 50
          0
          Which captain ?? request
          1. Shturmovik
            Shturmovik 22 February 2013 22: 56
            +1
            In general, I inserted a comment where about sharing and the border in the middle of the ship as he was here I do not understand))
            1. Quiet
              Quiet 22 February 2013 23: 15
              +2
              For them, "two captains", it is easier to fulfill the unwritten law "you need to drink only with an equal in rank and position" ... drinks
              1. sniper
                sniper 23 February 2013 00: 18
                0
                Quote: Quiet
                "you should drink only with equal rank and position" ..

                Bravo, colleague !!! drinks
                1. Quiet
                  Quiet 23 February 2013 16: 35
                  0
                  Do not blame me, Nikolai! hi Since you are "older in rank" (here) You can only offer me drinks , but I have no right to refuse !!!! (this is another of the unwritten army laws) !!! laughing
        2. sniper
          sniper 23 February 2013 00: 21
          0
          Quote: Shturmovik
          What about the captain?

          So a captain without a bridge, like a pirate with two eyes .... Then really a couple, that would not be bored ... wassat
      7. PARTISAN
        PARTISAN 22 February 2013 19: 58
        -1
        "The launchers on the left side are Ukrainian, and ours on the right side ...."
        If you look closely at your flag, it is not clear who "our" are ...
        1. sniper
          sniper 22 February 2013 21: 30
          +4
          Quote: PARTISAN
          If you look closely at your flag, it is not clear who "our" are ...

          You can not take a closer look, just read my comments in this thread .... Regards. hi
          By the way Partizan in Kazakhstan, I do not remember the same ... Against whom were friends? wassat
    6. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 22 February 2013 13: 34
      +1
      And eat fish and sell scales !!! laughing
    7. Larus
      Larus 22 February 2013 17: 57
      0
      We finish, and they rule))) and show off their power
    8. Simon
      Simon 22 February 2013 23: 23
      0
      And that means no one. A cruiser should have only one owner. "Two nannies have a child without supervision." Proverb. hi
  3. valokordin
    valokordin 22 February 2013 13: 15
    -2
    We don’t need anything from our brothers,
    Let them turn to NATO as always
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 22 February 2013 13: 25
      0
      Our brothers will turn to the one who will offer them great benefits, even if Honduras .... it doesn’t matter who - if only he paid properly
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 22 February 2013 15: 53
        0
        Lord !!!!! Why did Honduras not please everyone ???? I can’t put it in my mind !!!! lol
    2. skrgar
      skrgar 22 February 2013 16: 14
      0
      sniper,
      It seems that Moldovan gypsies decided to have a "boat" for themselves .. smile
      1. sniper
        sniper 22 February 2013 16: 16
        0
        skrgar, Well, if they need it so much, then let it go .... Whatever the child is amusing, if only it would not steal .... wassat
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 22 February 2013 22: 56
          0
          Perhaps this is so ??
  4. avt
    avt 22 February 2013 13: 16
    +6
    “The issue is being worked out with many countries, including the Russian Federation, regarding the possible joint use of this cruiser for the future. The question is not simple. You know that Ukraine has been working on it for more than 10 years, ”A. Oleynik said .--------- laughing No, well, just no words, it’s impossible to discuss it seriously. If you translate from ukrchinovnogo into Russian-buy kreyser [Galician flaglaughing } We’ll not sell it to the Chinese like the Varangian and you will have another Sunhuvchay or Vinsampei in your Far East. Well, sharing .......... !!!laughing Everything would be fine, but Atlant is sorry.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 22 February 2013 13: 32
      0
      avt wassat n-dya, here's a strange thing, I put you a plus, eh, I'm getting old
  5. evil hamster
    evil hamster 22 February 2013 13: 16
    +1
    In vain attempts, no one needs this ship without a GK, only Russia has a GK, but Russia no longer needs this ship
    1. askort154
      askort154 22 February 2013 14: 14
      0
      Quote ... evil hamster ..... but Russia does not need this ship either

      In space there is the ISS ....
      Why, at the request of the most democratic (independent, or, as it is, independent) state, not organize a type of ISPK (international self-sailing ship) in the vast expanses of the Black Sea with a trident on board .....
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 22 February 2013 15: 57
        +1
        Jules Verne has such a book ... "The Floating City" was written back in 1870 ... hi
  6. GHG
    GHG 22 February 2013 13: 19
    0
    Brothers. Let's hang yours ... US fellow HELP.
  7. desava
    desava 22 February 2013 13: 19
    +1
    The joint use of a combat missile cruiser by two independent states ... I have never met more absurdity! No, I have met, of course, but this plan ... Maybe the option of renting a ship is being considered - this is already more realistic. An example may be the battleship Arkhangelsk (Royal Sovereign), but that case is rather exceptional and very forced.
    1. avt
      avt 22 February 2013 13: 25
      +2
      Quote: desava
      An example may be the battleship Arkhangelsk (Royal Sovereign), but that case is rather exceptional and very forced.

      Not, what are you talking about - the use of Aglitz ships in the account of the division of the Italian fleet. They got Yuri Caesar and gave the Royal to the Angles. And then it will be abrupt laughing
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 22 February 2013 13: 33
      +3
      recalls attempts by a yushchenko to command our fleet smile
  8. queen
    queen 22 February 2013 13: 21
    0
    A photo in the subject)))) for two, they can’t figure it out either .... they are looking for a third)))))) And such a handsome man is simply obliged to send him on a campaign)
  9. fishermanfriend
    fishermanfriend 22 February 2013 13: 21
    +2
    it turns out if I put my money into it, then then I can cut off half of the ship myself ?!
  10. pilot mk
    pilot mk 22 February 2013 13: 28
    0
    What is the problem? A single state is being created on the basis of a customs union with a common army and navy. And Ukraine automatically resolves many issues.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 22 February 2013 13: 35
      -1
      yes you are my optimist wassat reunification of Russia is possible only in the case when the former Russians who killed themselves Russian and became ukrointsy, kill ukrointse in themselves and remember that they are a kind of Russian
      1. MG42
        MG42 22 February 2013 15: 08
        +3
        Quote: Yoshkin Cat
        killing themselves Russian and become ukrointsy, kill ukrointsev in themselves and remember that they are a kind of Russian

        Oh yes, you are a direct "preacher of reunification" with such phrases. Both Russians and Ukrainians lived normally in the Union.
        1. skrgar
          skrgar 22 February 2013 16: 22
          +1
          MG42,
          So we lived together .. when for a Ukrainian the word "Ukrainian" meant that he was "and russkiy" ... Why ... you yourself are disconnected from the Russians from Russia .. but we are not from you ... And this is a pity.
          1. MG42
            MG42 22 February 2013 17: 52
            +3
            Quote: skrgar
            .What ... you yourself have disconnected the Russians from Russia ... and not we from you

            Yeltsin Kravchuk and Shushkevich signed an agreement. Oh yes, I remember how in 1991 they said = `` Ukraine is Europa's breadbasket '', I did not vote because I was not in Ukraine then, although before this referendum there was another All-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR on March 17, 1991, there too spoke in favor. hi
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 24 February 2013 13: 36
            0
            Quote: skrgar
            So we lived together .. when for a Ukrainian the word "Ukrainian" meant that he was "and russkiy" ... Why ... you yourself are disconnected from the Russians from Russia .. but we are not from you ... And this is a pity.

            I'm wondering, did you ever live in the USSR? Lived then in the Ukrainian SSR? Where did these fantasies come from: "Ukrainians meant that they were Russians", this is not the first time I read this here and am amazed. THERE WASN'T THIS !!!!!!! Fraternal peoples - YES! Citizens of one great country (USSR) - YES! SLAVS - YES! But not the Russians!
            Russian is nationality and Ukrainian - nationality and Jew - is also a nationality and can be continued further. Cum already nonsense to flog! Who finally can put such ideas into your head interesting?
  11. queen
    queen 22 February 2013 13: 31
    -1
    Ukraine doesn’t need it sideways, what will they arm it with? But they won’t give it to us (they will sell it)
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 22 February 2013 17: 20
      -1
      "The Ukrainian night is dark, but! Lard is better to hide" ... good
  12. pa_nik
    pa_nik 22 February 2013 13: 32
    +2
    Quote: in stock
    Chet did not understand how this is used in sharing.


    Based on the existing logic of the Self-directed, it turns out: We will build, they will swim, i.e. are like laughing we will conduct sea trials, they will shoot bully and so on ..
  13. Tatarus
    Tatarus 22 February 2013 13: 34
    +4
    Ukrainian forgive --- ka, as always, looking for a richer client. I'm not talking about the nation, I'm talking about handicap.
  14. anchonsha
    anchonsha 22 February 2013 13: 38
    0
    Yes ... Oleinik started some tricky defense minister, Oleinik. Just what it is, he did not say. How can a military ship be shared among several sovereign countries? Okay scientific, okay like a cargo carrier, but the military is by no means impossible.
    1. wax
      wax 22 February 2013 18: 18
      -2
      Drag to Fr. Snakeskin. Romanians immediately tucked and washed off the island.
  15. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 22 February 2013 13: 41
    0
    Hmm, hands tear off for such a division of the fleet, to tear out two aircraft carriers and a missile cruiser.
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 22 February 2013 16: 34
      -1
      EBN can not be put on a stake ... He is already guaranteed an eternal tour of hell !!! Let the "hunchback" not rejoice ... the same fate awaits him ...
      1. skrgar
        skrgar 22 February 2013 17: 15
        0
        Quiet,
        Yes, Humpbacked, fucking fellow countryman, is to blame for everything .. EBN had neither the time nor the opportunities (he was just the Russian Federation at once .. nobody would listen to him from the "republics") .. Humpbacked ... gaddd
  16. calculator
    calculator 22 February 2013 13: 42
    0
    Oh, how you want to see such new cruisers in the Pacific Fleet .... and indeed in the Navy.
  17. Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 22 February 2013 13: 43
    0
    I would agree, under the strict prohibition of pronouncing the word "kruglyak" on board
  18. Zubr
    Zubr 22 February 2013 13: 44
    +4
    I don’t understand, it’s like this "SHARING" ?!
    It seems to me personally that RUSSIA will complete the construction, and then in turn, as in childhood: "I chewed gum on you" ..? winked laughing
  19. ilichstar
    ilichstar 22 February 2013 13: 45
    +6
    sell Russia at the price of scrap metal as they sold an aircraft carrier to China ... !!!
    sly s ..
  20. Polytechnic
    Polytechnic 22 February 2013 13: 51
    0
    Sharing a missile cruiser? hmm, maybe I don’t understand something, but in my opinion this is some kind of absurdity. Joint construction - maybe, but use ???? hmmm
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 22 February 2013 22: 05
      +1
      Yes, to complete together, and to include in the Black Sea Fleet under the neutral name Little Russia or as an alternative, Prince Potemkin of Tauride.
  21. Orthodox warrior
    Orthodox warrior 22 February 2013 13: 56
    +1
    anchonsha,
    "Yes-ah ... Defense Minister Oleinik started some cunning Zakovyka."


    anchonsha, I will correct you. In Ukraine, Minister of Defense P. Lebedev, and A. Oleynik is his first deputy.
  22. Kubanets
    Kubanets 22 February 2013 13: 58
    0
    The Second Glory is redundant for the Black Sea Fleet Closed theater of operations. Result - cut into needles.
    1. knn54
      knn54 24 February 2013 13: 51
      +1
      That's it, closed. Therefore, b-d is powerful. There are more sworn friends from NATO (Bulgaria, Romania). Yes, and the Turks are not asleep.
  23. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 22 February 2013 13: 59
    -1
    Enter into military strategic cooperation and there may be a common ownership good
  24. abeluk
    abeluk 22 February 2013 14: 02
    0
    Gurtovsho cool! Someone needs another splinter for the discord of Russia and Ukraine
  25. Avenger711
    Avenger711 22 February 2013 14: 07
    +3
    He could have been redeemed for a long time. about there, then there will be more expenses, but on the Black Sea only "Moscow" goes for a superlinkor.
  26. Alexander-Tomsk
    Alexander-Tomsk 22 February 2013 14: 25
    +1
    Together with Poland they will complete and swim (namely swim wink ) before the first storm. But the show-offs and ambition will be the whole world.
  27. VadimSt
    VadimSt 22 February 2013 14: 32
    0
    I do not remember a more absurd statement, even soap refers to personal hygiene products!
    However, what are the problems, we can "jointly use" with Romania - we will have a shelf around about. Serpentine, or controversial areas of the Danube, guard from each other.
    1. Barmen
      Barmen 22 February 2013 19: 23
      -1
      ... Yeah .. Today you ride my bike, tomorrow I ... laughing
  28. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 22 February 2013 14: 35
    0
    I never understood why "Moskva" is standing in the Black Sea? Why not at the Pacific Fleet or the Northern Fleet? Educate knowledgeable people.
    1. in reserve
      in reserve 22 February 2013 14: 59
      +4

      Krasnoyarsk
      I never understood why "Moskva" is standing in the Black Sea? Why not at the Pacific Fleet or the Northern Fleet? Educate knowledgeable people.


      And what is there to understand for support, for each fleet, one such ship.
      If he did not go to the coast of Syria, NATO would have become completely insolent. Not a bad argument for a peaceful settlement.
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach 22 February 2013 15: 03
      +3
      Because the Black Sea is such a "front door" to the Mediterranean. But in the Mediterranean Sea, the USSR kept not such a frail squadron ... so that, in turn, the geyropa had problems with the sunfine, because of the bricks hitting sartira. Actually, it was so: it was NECESSARY to shit with bricks, due to the presence of the fleet of the country of the Soviets, and everyone was happy.
    3. Dr.M.
      Dr.M. 22 February 2013 16: 00
      +3
      without Moscow, there will not be anything serious at the Black Sea Fleet, which is bad. There is the same Mediterranean region. The same Syria here. From there, it is more convenient to walk from the Black Sea than from the Pacific Ocean.
  29. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 22 February 2013 15: 06
    -2
    Grandmas also like to cut in their defense ministry wink
  30. Nayhas
    Nayhas 22 February 2013 15: 08
    -1
    Well, why the hell is this rusty trough with electronics of the last century and missile systems to which no one is making rockets, and does the existing shelf life run out?
  31. civ27
    civ27 22 February 2013 15: 10
    +2
    I think if they gave it to us for nothing, then there’s no reason to finish building it. A lot needs to be redone for modern equipment and weapons, and the ship itself is most likely in poor condition, it’s cheaper to build a new one, more modern than to reanimate, modernize this one. In theory, Moscow should soon be written off and replaced with a cruiser of a new type, and preferably several destroyers with missile weapons of vertical launch. But all these ships, unfortunately, are only in dreams for now.
  32. Octavian avgust
    Octavian avgust 22 February 2013 15: 47
    +1
    The question is not simple. You know that Ukraine has been working on it for more than 10 years, ”A. Oleynik said.

    You can’t say anything, the great Ukry can’t finish building lol . I need to help them. Business is nothing personal! good
    1. Larus
      Larus 22 February 2013 20: 55
      0
      And when they shouted that they would throw all over Europe with food, as soon as they separated from Russia, which would not allow them to turn around. And now there’s nothing to finish the boat on, although the corresponding infrastructure remained with them from the USSR))))
  33. skrgar
    skrgar 22 February 2013 16: 01
    0
    Yanukovych also wants to lease a gas transmission pipe to Russia .. through which we practically do not let gas out anymore .. Miracles .... Genius !!! laughing
  34. CARBON
    CARBON 22 February 2013 16: 42
    +2
    If you scrape, weld, repaint, re-equip with something more modern than the "Basalts" at least "Onyx", put a more modern radar, then it would be useful for Tof. With the "Varyag" and "Marshal Ustinov" it is possible to create a homogeneous brigade of cruisers.
  35. honest jew
    honest jew 22 February 2013 16: 46
    +1
    But can Ukrainians offer fat and they are our cruiser?
  36. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 22 February 2013 18: 22
    -2
    Ukraine needs to be squeezed in full, otherwise they will never stop "nimble". You must sue, take the gas pipeline, cruiser, etc. Then stability will come to this country as well.
  37. alex13-61
    alex13-61 22 February 2013 20: 15
    +1
    Take the cruiser ... the current of the bases of the submarine "Zaporozhye" "otherwise they can give it to the load ... wink
  38. 26vova06
    26vova06 22 February 2013 20: 39
    0
    I think that for Russia it was still useful to get this cruiser (free or cheap). , then we will have 4 such ships, upgrade them all and still sail for 10-15 years, promising destroyers even if we start building soon, but I don’t think that the construction will be quick and we can upgrade these ships and have 2 cruisers on tofe and one by one on sf and bf
    + more eagles. in any case, it’s better than the situation when China buys it (everything can be) and after repair and modernization will put it into series only with modern filling and weapons
  39. suharev-52
    suharev-52 22 February 2013 21: 58
    +1
    Before deciding on such projects, a thorough examination of the object is necessary to calculate the possibility of modernization and its effectiveness. And much, much more. But when a geopolitical need arises, the economy fades into the background. Is there a geopolitical need for this unit? Sincerely.
  40. Quiet
    Quiet 22 February 2013 22: 26
    +2
    [quote = Krasnoyarets] Never understood why "Moscow" stands in the Black Sea?

    So that the Turks nervously smoked on their shore looking at the Crimea with binoculars laughing
  41. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 22 February 2013 23: 00
    0
    This "Ukraine" was offered to be bought or completed jointly with Russia back in the early 2000s. But then Ivanov said that this ship was outdated as 21 Volga and Russia did not need it.
    Sawn it soon, and that’s it.
  42. Aeneas
    Aeneas 23 February 2013 01: 15
    0
    will be given to the Chinese, the Chinese will take at the price of scrap metal to study concepts, technologies, etc. Maybe they will make some kind of test stand out of Lobov ... Russia will not take it, because it will not be able to complete it, and the time of these monsters has passed. This ship had to be "wrecked" in the 90s. Then the ambitions of both sides got in the way. The Russians offered 2 TFRs, ours tupanuli. then, in the 2000s, the Ukrainians wanted to sell "for inexpensive". The Russians wanted brotherly-free, and did not get anything. Although Lobov was then in decent condition, which was confirmed by the Russian commission, which recognized this cruiser as the most "advanced" among the sisterships.
  43. Humpty
    Humpty 23 February 2013 09: 51
    0
    Everybody is looking for themselves foolishly. They argue as a student-decorator who is looking for an assistant in the maintenance of one walking girl for two.
    It's a shame for you Ukraine, the homeland of the ancestors. Ask for help from the great ukrov.
  44. washi
    washi 23 February 2013 12: 03
    -1
    Why do we need this stuff already? Everything must be done on time. Now the principles of building ships and their application have changed. And let this unfinished building be taken away. It’s hard to forgive the skeletons of our nuclear-powered aircraft carriers that the Chinese have sold
  45. rocketman
    rocketman 23 February 2013 12: 22
    +1
    Yes, Ukraine itself cannot finish building and selling it (it’s too expensive to keep it, it will eat up the Navy’s budget for 10 years ahead), because part of the intellectual property rights belong to Russia, plus all weapons and radio electronics are produced in Russia. And what to do with it ?. Time has already been lost, only to China for metal .... It’s possible to go to Russia, but after all they’ll strangle themselves, and amers with shaving will not allow ...
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 23 February 2013 12: 38
      0
      the price of Lobov’s content near the wall was announced. This is 10 million grams per year (half stolen). You can sell it to anyone, Russia has no rights to this ship, which was legally enshrined in agreements on the division of the fleet. True, Kuchma’s naivety, which was really going to finish building Lobov-Ukraine, always struck me. And yet he continued to finish building up and purchase the missing weapon systems in Russia, a crew was formed and served on board. After all, Russia would never sell cruise missiles to Ukraine! ... not only that, I think if Ukraine really completed Lobov and included it in its naval forces, then Ukraine would be a member of the CSTO and the Customs Union (at least). Unfinished Lobov is an indicator of reintegration processes in the territory of the former Union.