Evgeny Pozhidaev: Re-industrializing the United States - the return of the giant

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Evgeny Pozhidaev: Re-industrializing the United States - the return of the giantThe US economy, repeatedly buried by domestic experts, suddenly presented a number of surprises, one of which was the January budget surplus - the latter showed a three billion plus, instead of the 27,4 billionth minus a year earlier. America is slowly but surely moving away from the edge of the expected abyss - and this trend is based on fundamental factors.

First, look at what led the US economy to a crisis. The process of de-industrialization in the United States has been going on for a very long time. Actually, it began in the middle of 1960's. In the era of Reagan and Bush Sr., for example, the situation looked like this. Total employment increased by an average of 1,4% per year, but the industry was exactly the opposite process. The steel industry annually lost 6,1% of workers, metalworking - 4,5%, automotive industry and equipment production - 1,5%, clothing and textile industry - 2%. As a result, by the beginning of the Clinton reign, almost 2 million jobs in the manufacturing industry and half a million in the mining industry were eliminated. In 1997, about 17,5 million people were employed in the American industry.

Then the process acquired a landslide character. There were two collapses in 2000-2003 and 2007-2009, and as a result, 12 million people are now employed in the American industry, with a total employment of about 143 million.

What was replaced by industrial employment? Between 1990 and 2008, the number of people employed in the US increased from 122 to 149 million. 27 million jobs were created. At the same time, 40% fell on the public sector and healthcare. The rest was created mainly by retail, construction, hotel and restaurant business. Overall, 98% of jobs accounted for the "non-tradable" sector, producing goods and services for the domestic market.

In other words, by 2008 there were more people employed in American health care than in industry, while the government employed almost one and a half times more employees than health care (22 million versus 16 million). Within the export sector, industry was inferior to the service sector.

Thus, by the end of the 2000s, the States turned into the actual record holder of deindustrialization, second only to Hong Kong in terms of this indicator, whose economy is an appendage of China’s colossal industry. At the same time, in the export sector, industry was not and could not be replaced by the service sector.

The consequences of this were manifold. First, US exports grew rapidly - but more and more clearly lagged behind imports. So, American industry, in fact, was losing the domestic market and could not compensate for this loss in the external market - the trade balance of industrial goods, which was 1992 minus 2%, was 2008% in 8.

The result was a rapid deterioration in the trade balance. The US trade balance is deficient from 1976, but as early as 1997, the deficit was about $ 100 billion, which did not look significant in the scale of the American economy. However, then his fantastic growth began. Already by 2000, it was approaching $ 400 billion, and in 2007-2008, it was about $ 700 billion. The negative trade balance generated a negative payment, covered by foreign loans and dollar issues. US foreign debt, which was $ 1989 trillion in 2,7, rose to $ 5,7 trillion in 2001, 13 trillion in 2009, and 15 trillion in 2011. Now it is 16, 55 trillion, while the share of government debt accounts for less than a third.

Secondly, de-industrialization has led to a "mutation" of domestic demand. The latter has always been considered the strength of the United States, traditionally little dependent on foreign market conditions. However, since the days of Reagan, American domestic demand has grown at the expense of specific "tools." Real wages, having reached a maximum in 1970-x, fell to the middle of 1990-x, and after a brief increase in the second half of 1990-x - the beginning of the "zero" fell to the previous level.

At the same time, if the opinion of the well-known economist Phillips that the real level of inflation in the United States was higher than the official after 1983 and especially from 1996 is fair, the growth is fictitious, and the “zero” picture is even more depressing. As a result, the growth of welfare and domestic demand was provided by more and more affordable loans. The result was the extreme debt load of the population, "overloaded" with debts, and the collection of "bad" debts in the hands of banks. From this followed the "fragility" of domestic demand and the instability of the banking system.

In addition, the personal income tax takes the first place in the list of sources of income of the US federal budget. In other words, the stagnation of income meant the absence of an active growth of the taxable base. The appearance of the budget deficit and the rapid growth of public debt were in such a situation, as practice shows, only a matter of time.

The subtext of all these phenomena was the notorious de-industrialization. Salaries in the service sector are on average almost one and a half times lower than in production for obvious reasons. A skilled worker is more difficult to replace than a waiter; in the services sector, temporary and part-time employment is widespread, the giant growth of which has been observed for the last two decades, the trade union movement is less developed for equally obvious reasons. As a result, the contraction of industry was accompanied by stagnation or a decline in real wages, and even the latter did not lead to an increase in the competitiveness of the American economy — cheapening labor was concentrated mainly in the non-tradable sector.

Third, deindustrialization has largely generated social inequality growth seen in the United States since 1980. Then the most well-to-do 0,1% of the population received a little more than 1% of national income, now it gets 5%. This is even more than what the elite earned in the 1870-1880-x - in a sense, the States returned to the second half of the nineteenth century. Inequality as a whole roughly corresponds to 1920. The reasons are clear - this is the already mentioned specificity of labor in the service sector and, at the political level, the absence of a numerous, cohesive and "violent" "proletariat." Meanwhile, a high level of social inequality reduces the amount of domestic demand.

Fourth, deindustrialization inevitably leads to the appearance of bubbles (in the stock market, mortgage market, etc.) and distortions in the banking system. Industry for obvious reasons is more capital-intensive than the services sector and the economy on average. As a result, the result of deindustrialization sooner or later becomes the situation "a lot of free money - few good deals." Situational actions of financial authorities may improve or worsen the situation, but in general it is inevitable. Its first consequence was the mentioned progressive availability of credit, including mortgage. The second is the expansion of speculative capital in financial markets. The result of both is known - it was the crisis of 2008.

The phenomenon of deindustrialization is not new - it can be said that the United States suffers from the “Old Dutch” disease. In the middle of the seventeenth century, the Netherlands was a leading industrial power. However, she then experienced a model "deindustrialization" that affected the entire real sector — for example, cloth production in the largest wool industry center (Leiden) fell fourfold, the number of vessels under construction decreased 10-15 times, commercial fishing decreased 7-10 times. The country's trade balance has become negative. At the same time, the collapse of local industry was accompanied by the flight of industrial capital — mainly to England, which, in combination, was the most dangerous adversary of the Dutch. Not only industrial capital fled — by the end of the 18th century, non-residents (mostly the same Dutch owned 20% of the largest British companies (Bank of England East India Company, South Sea Company), often direct competitors of the Dutch, and 14% English public debt, largely formed due to the wars with the Dutch same.

The result of Dutch deindustrialization was economic stagnation, which lasted the entire 18th century, permanent political instability and, as a sad outcome, the population welcoming the French army, which was to free it from its own government.

Apparently, the United States understands where the origins of the crisis lie and understands the danger of a scenario like the “Old Dutch” scenario. Moreover, the immediate effects of deindustrialization are visible "to the naked eye." The economy is flooded with money - but growth is recovering with difficulty. To a significant extent, because money actually finances foreign industry and hydrocarbon suppliers. Domestic demand, supported by debt load and the “by-product” zero savings rate, can hardly be restored in principle.

However, the US has strengths. Firstly, this is a technological advantage - the gap between the states even from Germany or Japan is still very large. Secondly, unique opportunities to promote their economic interests in foreign markets. Third, as a consequence of the first two points, competitive and rapidly growing exports. Fourth, a very impressive resource base and much lower domestic prices for energy, electricity, etc., than in Europe and Japan. Fifth, a much younger population compared to the EU and Japan, which creates a not-so-heavy burden on the pension system and budget — and is capable of providing industry with labor.

As a result, the long-term strategy voiced by Obama in the form of seemingly unrelated initiatives comes down to the following. First, re-industrialization and the return of overseas production in the United States. At the same time, since it is difficult and unprofitable to compete with the Chinese and Ko in the lower price segment of the domestic market, the driver of industrialization should be high-tech exports - which “at the same time” will correct the trade balance. The prerequisite for its rapid growth should be massive investments in advanced research and development - the good, the world is on the verge of a technical revolution. Moreover, the use of new technologies in manufacturing (for example, robotization and 3D printers) can significantly offset the advantage of "Asians" in the cost of labor. The second prerequisite for the growth of exports and re-industrialization as such is the decline in domestic prices for energy and energy carriers, and ideally the achievement of complete independence from the export of expensive hydrocarbons. On the one hand, this will increase the competitiveness of industry in domestic and foreign markets and, naturally, will have a positive impact on the trade balance.

Secondly, Obama's re-industrialization and relative "socialism" can also revive domestic demand.

In the short term, the United States is unsuccessfully trying to cut spending and increase tax revenues. The instruments, for example, are the "deoffshorization" of business and the increase in taxes on the incomes of wealthy citizens. As a result, positive developments are quite obvious - budget revenues increased in January to $ 272 billion, with $ 234 billion in January, 2012. Income tax revenues increased from $ 403,8 billion to $ 468,4 billion, from corporate income tax from $ 60,2 billion to $ 70,3 billion. In fact, the United States has enough reserves to get out of debt "pit" - the budget deficit will be fast enough to shrink.

As for more fundamental indicators, then, as noted by the US Department of Commerce, in 2012, exports reached a record $ 2,2 trillion, the trade deficit is rapidly declining. A record level was reached in such exports as industrial equipment, automobiles, parts, engines, consumer goods. Exports of petroleum products rose by 1056% compared to the level of 1999 year, coal exports reached a record size. The US is actively reindustrializing, restoring the basic sectors of the economy that have collapsed over the past thirty years. For example, Dow Chemical and Royal Dutch Shell are building chemical plants, one of America’s largest steelmaking corporations, Nucor, is increasing steel production, and is experiencing a multiple increase in profits based on cheap shale gas.

In other words, if nothing extraordinary happens and current trends continue to develop, the United States will regain its traditional role in the global economy - the role of an active exporter of goods and an industrial giant. Despite the apocalyptic predictions, the internal reserves of the States are too large for the country to leave the stage.
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  1. +8
    23 February 2013 08: 21
    It's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off! No.
    What is three billion with a 16 trillion debt !?
    A drop in the sea!!!!
    How many years will it take them to get out of the crisis, despite the fact that the world does not stand still and is looking for ways to get rid of the existing financial policy! Or simply put, from the dictatorship of the dollar!
    Excuse me, where are you taking me !?
    - To the morgue!
    -But I'm still alive !!!
    - Silence the patient!
    That's it! The doctor said to the morgue! So to the morgue!


    Happy holiday men !!!!!

    Let you are far from ideal, From the standard of beauty, And with garlic you love lard, And you do not bring flowers ...

    But you are a man! This means that you are a support and a wall. And if a woman cries, the Offender will rake in full.

    So always stay, Let only victories await you. Always be called a man, Be him. And let the fireworks sound!
    1. S_mirnov
      0
      23 February 2013 10: 43
      "That's it! The doctor said to the morgue! That means to the morgue!" - Wishful thinking? The American industry is quite cheerful, which means that the economy can be raised. Unlike our idiots, the Americans did not carry out de-industrialization in their country.

      Happy Holidays!
      1. Uncle Serozha
        +2
        23 February 2013 14: 21
        The theses expressed by the author of the article are really indisputable, but the article is in any case very interesting.
        It is unclear why it is being minus - if the news is unpleasant, then it is stupid to blame the messenger for this.
    2. WADUHa
      +1
      23 February 2013 15: 02
      So far, no one has declared the US taboo on printing green candy wrappers, and their 16 trillion debt is not the limit (why not increase it to 116 ?????), so it's too early to bury our "friends of democracy" .. .. although I want to do it as soon as possible ... !!!
  2. +5
    23 February 2013 08: 23
    Interestingly, the Americans themselves know that everything is getting better with them? and then they are planning to reduce the air force, navy and air force (and this is not only the dismissal of military personnel, but also the closure of the associated infrastructure).
  3. DeerIvanovich
    +2
    23 February 2013 08: 49
    you can recover straight away with the complete dictatorship of a command economy, so that the United States is not yet shining.
  4. djon3volta
    +6
    23 February 2013 08: 53
    I think that all these experts judge the economy from stock summaries and quotes. And the best way is to see everything with your own eyes! as they say, it’s better to see it once than hear it a hundred times! Yesterday I came across a link, interesting reading I tell you I’ll say. And this person lived in the USA for 2 years.
    Quote: Americans, in my opinion, do not produce anything at all. Well, except for the already mentioned Boeings and Abrams. Well, you can ask me a question: what about computers, mobile phones, cars and everything else? And I will answer: did you open the American computers? I opened. Everything is done in Taiwan, the rest is in China. Yes, the processor was developed by Intel, an American company, but in laboratories in Malaysia, the Malaysians produced it in the same place. I'm not talking about development, I'm talking about production. Next, cars. You probably know that in America there is a clear division into models for the domestic market and for export. You will not see such wonderful cars in Europe as Mercury, Oldsmobile, Saturn and so on. So, all the cars that are manufactured in the USA are also consumed here, because no normal person in Europe will drive in these sheds with a cotton power steering and automatic transmission in the base. Of free will, at least. And the rest of the Jeep Grand Chiroki and Fords are designed and manufactured in Europe. Well, then there’s something bad, you ask. Americans invest, and others plow. So everything is fine, I will answer, but this is only for now. Everything rests on the dollar. On his course. While someone needs a dollar, they’re plowing. By the way, have you ever seen an inscription on the dollar that it is secured by the state? Did not see? That's right, because he is not provided with anything except the Sixth Fleet. And when the dollar collapses, and it surely collapses, with what will America remain? What will it export, produce? What jobs will it give its residents?
    completely here http://lib.rus.ec/b/80254/read
    1. +4
      23 February 2013 10: 39
      Quote: djon3volta
      The Americans, in my opinion, do not produce anything at all.

      Of course, except
      As for more fundamental indicators, as the US Department of Commerce noted, in 2012, exports reached a record $ 2,2 trillion,

      This is only export — most of Russia's GDP. And the local market for 350 million people did anyone count?
      Quote: djon3volta
      Yes, the processor was developed by Intel, an American company, but in the laboratories in Malaysia, the Malaysians produced it in the same place

      \ Well developed in Israel and in Israel is produced (if you do not have a slop comp) since only in Israel and Ireland there is production
      At the end of last year, Intel in Israel reported that compared to the 2011 year, it was able to increase the export of semiconductor products by more than two times - up to 4,6 billion. According to Reuters, this figure was increased due to an increase in production facilities, and also release products based on the 22-nm process. Intel reports that a plant is operating in the south of Israel in Kiryat Gat, with production capacity reaching its maximum level last year.

      It is known that the corporation plans in the coming 2 — 3 years to launch the production of microprocessors according to the norms of the advanced 14-nm process technology at factories in Ireland and the USA. As for the technological process following the 14-nm, Intel is already looking for a production site for it, and it is the Israeli branch of the company that expects to receive the right to produce chips according to the 10-nm standards

      Quote: djon3volta
      By the way, have you ever seen an inscription on the dollar that it is secured by the state? Did not see?

      And on the ruble?

      Quote: djon3volta
      And when the dollar collapses, and it surely collapses, with what will America remain? What will it export, produce? What jobs will it give its residents?

      Silence yourself with hope, once again I say 17trl. Debt - these are trifles. Everything depends on its size to GDP and how much budget money goes to its service.
      So, in the first position, I have already written more than once - the countries of Europe are in a much worse (at times) condition, but what about servicing the state. only 2% of the budget is spent on debt (Under Reagan - it reached 3.5% and nothing)
      A simpler example is one that has a mortgage (the amount of debt to the bank is much higher than annual income), but a person pays it quite normally - can it be considered bankrupt? Of course not.
      GKO is the same. debt only - America’s total annual income and interest payments —2% per annum. Someone boasts such a mortgage tongue
      1. Avenger711
        0
        23 February 2013 14: 48
        As for more fundamental indicators, as the US Department of Commerce noted, in 2012, exports reached a record $ 2,2 trillion,


        And what are these goods?
        If you are talking about the same processor assembled in Malaysia, then the loot from the sale will go to Malaysia.

        A simpler example is one that has a mortgage (the amount of debt to the bank is much higher than annual income), but a person pays it quite normally - can it be considered bankrupt? Of course not.


        Normally pays it how? If a person receives 20k per month and owes 2kk to the bank, then what happens. Annual income of 240k. Let a person allocate 5k for payment in a month, then he will pay these 2 lemas for 400 years. Well, even if he receives 50k, but lives on 10k, this is 50 years of slavery.

        17 trillion debt is trifles. Everything depends on its size to GDP


        How many percent are there now? 100+?

        No, the United States will not die, but to prevent others from living, they may become smaller.
      2. 0
        23 February 2013 15: 26
        A budget deficit is not everything.
        Moreover, this deficit falls from the same pumping up of the economy with money - the Fed prints the money and distributes it to the population, and the state has its own share in the form of taxes.
        And export, infa also slipped - due to which it grew - due to the trade in oil and coal.
        I also know that the United States sells a lot of scrap metal to China ...
  5. fenix57
    +3
    23 February 2013 08: 55
    No -reindustrialization of the USA (you will have to try too hard to click on the PRC, but whether they can) - late (take a look at http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/macro/usa)
    1. Uncle Serozha
      +2
      23 February 2013 14: 30
      Please note, along with this article, another one has been published today - about China's reorientation to domestic demand, as well as to external demand, supported by real counter flows (that is, not money). It seems that in this area the interests of the United States and China coincide - China no longer wants to sell something "just for paper", and America is also not averse to producing it itself, rather than buying from China.

      In this regard, something else is more worrying for me - when will Mother Russia begin reindustrialization? There are natural resources. The people are smart and educated. And all that is needed is to send liberals from the government to yuh, and in one way or another to form an alliance with neighbors so that the total population of 200 million exceeds. This is the threshold for a self-sufficient economy.
      Would rather!
      1. +2
        23 February 2013 14: 51
        Russia will never be a leader in the production of consumer goods. Severe climatic conditions in Russia provide an expensive human resource. To defeat a country such as China in the economic struggle, Russia needs to develop technologies with a small share of manual labor.
  6. +1
    23 February 2013 09: 25
    Quote from the article "" The January budget surplus - the latter showed a three billion plus instead of a 27,4 billion minus a year earlier. America is slowly but surely moving away from the brink of the expected abyss - and this trend is underpinned by fundamental factors. "

    Well, we can only be “happy” for our American “friends”, but here's the question. If you count how much money they spend on the military-industrial complex, on all sorts of "super" projects, such as catastrophically growing unemployment, on raising loan rates (people are physically unable to pay on loans and, as a result, find themselves on the street). Considering that after the hurricane they had, many cities and towns are in ruins. And finally, if it is banal to calculate - how much they will have to "save" 3 billion each to pay off the debt of 17 trillion dollars, then it turns out that this is another bluff and an attempt to pass off wishful thinking. And what will they eat, or rather, what kind of shisha?
    1. +2
      23 February 2013 10: 50
      Quote: Averias
      If you count how much money they spend on the military-industrial complex, on all sorts of "super" projects

      Money spent on the military-industrial complex is money invested in its own economy, maintaining power in the international arena and selling weapons
      Quote: Averias
      NK catastrophically rising unemployment

      Well, no tales - unemployment in America
      The US unemployment rate dropped from October 7,9% to 7,7% last month, the lowest level since December 2008. The number of jobs in the US economy increased in November 2012 by 146 thousand. This is reported by Bloomberg data from the Ministry of Labor.

      Europe doesn’t even dream of such numbers - why doesn’t the nickname predicted by the collapse of Europe?
      Quote: Averias
      to increase credit rates (people are physically unable to pay on loans and as a result find themselves on the street)

      According to Freddie Mac, in the United States, the average fixed rate on loans for 30 years fell to a record low of 3,84%. According to McLean, this is the lowest level since 1971 of the year.

      Damn well, that would not look funny - there is Google
      Quote: Averias
      And finally, if it's trite to calculate - how much they will have to "save" 3 billion each to pay off the debt of 17 trillion dollars

      With the concept of reading the same problem?
      In just one month, including all taxes in America, it was collected on 103 mln. More than in January 2012- and this is for a month
      budget revenues rose to $ 272 billion in January from $ 234 billion in January 2012. Income tax revenues rose from $ 403,8 billion to $ 468,4 billion, from corporate income tax from $ 60,2 billion to $ 70,3 billion. In fact, the US has enough reserves to get out of the debt hole - a deficit the budget will be cut quickly enough.

      Quote: Averias
      And what will they eat, or rather what kind of shisha?
      laughing
      1. +2
        23 February 2013 12: 52
        You certainly wrote everything correctly, but what about the opinion of the people who live there? I have six acquaintances living there, citizens of the United States, and here their words vary greatly with what they write in the media and various analytical agencies. These six people work in various fields, from programmers to civilian pilots (people fly on a Boeing). So, from their words (and I believe them much more than the media and all kinds of agencies), the standard of living has fallen significantly, almost all the money goes to pay to banks, and queues in social shops have sharply increased. The consumer basket has drastically replenished with the cheapest products. Doctors are consulted in case of emergency. Two of them had teeth prosthetics in general in Russia.
        Plus to this toughening of the authorities to citizens. Almost immediately the police. The number of absurd lawsuits brought by the police rolls over. In Detroit in the evenings, you can calmly walk only in the center, it is fraught closer to the outskirts, the police themselves say they do not need to meddle there. Criminal gangs sharply intensified. Only now we are not informed about this.
        Quote: atalef
        Damn well, that would not look funny - there is Google
        Quote: Averias
        And finally, if it's trite to calculate - how much they will have to "save" 3 billion each to pay off the debt of 17 trillion dollars

        You have that, with a sense of humor, a hedgehog it is clear that for laughter he said that.

        Quote: atalef
        Well, no tales - unemployment in America
        The US unemployment rate dropped from October 7,9% to 7,7% last month, the lowest level since December 2008. The number of jobs in the US economy increased in November 2012 by 146 thousand. This is reported by Bloomberg data from the Ministry of Labor.

        And what about the more than 300 thousand homeless people, former soldiers, participants in Iraq and Afghanistan, and their number is growing. How to deal with entire campgrounds of people (former skilled workers) who are on labor exchanges, receive benefits, and they see no prospects at all.
        I, too, can you, if on Google on the Internet, to compile colorful and bravura statistics about any country. Only in reality it always goes wrong.
        Moreover, if you recall the time of the first economic crisis, the same US authorities hung their fellow citizens noodles that everything is fine and there is no reason to panic.
        And as regards the military-industrial complex and spending on it, that it is inside the country - yes, only the main money is taxpayer money. Like all military companies. Tell me dear, have they ever returned this money to taxpayers? No. And do not return. And where to put all the same external debt?
        Like in our rush - Understand and forgive?
        1. +4
          23 February 2013 13: 14
          Quote: Averias
          So from their words (and I believe them much more than the media and all kinds of agencies), the standard of living has fallen significantly, almost all the money goes to pay to banks, and queues in social shops have increased dramatically. The consumer basket has drastically replenished with the cheapest products. Doctors are consulted in case of emergency. Two of them had teeth prosthetics in general in Russia.

          My friends say the same thing ... They want to go back home to Russia.
          And I tell them what will begin soon and if you leave, then who will partisan?
        2. +2
          23 February 2013 13: 52
          [Quote][quote] You certainly wrote everything correctly, but what about the opinion of the people who live there? I have six acquaintances living there, citizens of the United States, and here their words are very different from what they write in the media [/ quote][/ Quote]
          Six acquaintances. it’s good, and probably a little smaller than my 50-70 relatives (if everyone gets ready for the gut) It’s not easy to live, everyone keeps on working, but worse (according to them, 0 is behind. 2009-2011 were much more problematic.
          [quote] Two so in general to us in Russia went teeth prosthetics [/ quote]
          My brother-in-law from Israel traveled to Ukraine (it’s several times cheaper than 0, it’s okay. His trip with all the work and rest was cheaper than doing it in Israel. But it doesn’t say anything. Someone wants it that way. Someone pays at home. Without neither one nor the other works.
          The fact that the standard of living in the states has fallen is without a doubt, as in any crisis. but I repeat, the hardest has already been passed, the situation is getting better

          [quote] Plus to this toughening of the authorities to citizens. Almost immediately the police. The number of absurd lawsuits brought by the police rolls over [/ quote]
          Oh, no billiards. stupid policemen missing everywhere.

          [quote] You have that, with a sense of humor of the problem, a no brainer that said for laughs [/ quote]
          With a sense of humor, it’s certainly in order, with mathematics all the more

          ] [quote] And then what about the more 300 thousands of homeless people in fact, [/ quote]
          No way. With a population of 350 million, this is 0,1% of the population. Dust By the way, I saw homeless people both in Switzerland and in Luxembourg. there are people who just want to get high, there are also declassed elements. By the way, what percentage of homeless people in Russia?
          [quote] According to various estimates, today in Russia from 1,5 to 4,2 million homeless people - that is, up to 3% our compatriots! The greatest concentration of homeless people is observed in large cities, primarily in Moscow (about 75 thousand people) and in St. Petersburg (about 50 thousand). [/ Quote
          ] [quote = Averias] I, too, can, if using Google on the Internet, compile colorful and bravura statistics about any country. Only in reality it always goes wrong. [/ Quote]
          Like negative, it’s true, but in reality it may not be so.
          Therefore, there are global indicators. which can not be faked.
          Like GDP, Export, Inflation, Unemployment Rate.
          [quote = Averias] Tell me dear, have they ever returned this money to taxpayers? [/ quote]
          Your approach is strange, do you collect taxes to return them?
          [quote = Averias] Yes, and where to put all the same external debt? [/ quote]
          Leave alone the external debt, compare it with a mortgage (compare the numbers and you will understand stupidity)
          In Nigeria, debt in relation to GDP is -NUMX%, in Ethiopia 6%, in Russia 13%, in Luxembourg 24%, in Germany 3011%, in the USA -186%.
          Your conclusions? Probably, there are simply no countries steeper than Nigeria and Ethiopia wassat
          [quote = Averias] Type as in Our rush - Understand and forgive? [/ quote]
          Yes they come out. And in Russia there was 100% of GDP, they got out and they will come out. 100% is not critical.
          1. +5
            23 February 2013 14: 33
            And for God's sake, as they say, the flag is striped in their hands. What do you boil then?
            Quote: atalef
            Your conclusions? Probably, there are simply no countries steeper than Nigeria and Ethiopia

            Well, they made fun, chesslovo laughing
            I’m basically flat in parallel with what they have there and how. They got into it themselves and let them launder. It’s just that the article itself sounds as if they have no problems. Well, they were small, and they all came out. And now they are waiting for prosperity and a bright future. Communism in one word.
            And when it comes to Russia, for any of our achievements (at least in anything), a bunch of Western experts, analysts, agencies and economists appear - who in unison predict collapse, collapse and other "horrors" to us.
            That's basically all I wanted to say. It all seems too biased.

            Quote: atalef
            Oh, no billiards. stupid policemen missing everywhere.


            And what about this fact - as it was in Utah, an excursion to the "Monument Valley" (National Park), a policeman came up and asked why I was so intently examining the surroundings, and the most interesting is why, if I am a tourist, I am not I take pictures, but instead I constantly call on the phone. Forty minutes took out each other's brains, according to the principle of yours, mine do not understand. Okay, my friends came up (they warned me earlier that I should be as friendly as possible with the policemen, and God forbid to go hysterically into my pockets). As a result, it seemed that the incident had been settled, whock, wherever I went, a policeman loomed everywhere in my field of vision. It smacks of schizophrenia, provided that there are cameras at every turn.

            PS They never got into the national park itself. Friends said one of the cops strongly discouraged a visit. To the question of what is the actual reason, without hesitation said - the reason is in me. He cannot contact anyone above, so he does not recommend this visit. To the question, what am I so suspicious of, he answered, literally - I radiate a threat to society. Cool. Although at the moment there was no one around in the visible space. And you tell me about the billiards.
            1. WADUHa
              +1
              23 February 2013 15: 11
              And this is a country of freedom and democracy ???? !!!!))))
            2. 0
              24 February 2013 14: 14
              Quote: Averias
              It’s just that the article itself sounds as if they have no problems. Well, they were small, and they all came out. And now they are waiting for prosperity and a bright future. Communism in one word.

              each sees what he wants, this is not in the article. It is written that there are major problems, but they can be solved

              Quote: Averias
              And what about this fact - as it was in Utah, an excursion to the "Monument Valley

              Only confirms 6 my words, with the exception of one thing, if 40 had been arguing with a Russian policeman, I would have ended the day in a monkey
              Quote: Averias
              To the question, what am I so suspicious of, he answered, literally - I radiate a threat to society.

              No need to get involved with the police in 40 minutes hi
          2. +2
            23 February 2013 16: 55
            atalef - as I understand it, minus you slaughtered me. What really didn’t like? For those especially gifted, I explain that I don’t like when they bring in the numbers in one-sided ways (by the way, taken from the Internet, I checked your calculations). Supported only by the fact that these figures were laid out by some kind of agency there. Moreover, they like to lie and embellish everywhere. Take at least such a case - as soon as Germany hinted about gold, as soon as this gold was destroyed as a result of a hurricane. And after such statements, you want to say that what all these experts write is true? Then you are even more naive than I thought.
            1. Alexander 1958
              +3
              23 February 2013 17: 55
              For averias
              Good afternoon!


              Quote: Averias
              atalef - as I understand it, minus you slaughtered me. What really didn’t like?
              I would suggest that you be a little softer towards atalef, more tolerant of * what-if (in the good sense of the word: wink):
              atalef convinced me that the United States and Israel were God's chosen countries that went through natural selection, unlike the USSR. On my assumption that if it were not for Stalin who helped Israel stand up in the fight against the Arabs in the late 40s, they also put a minus to me without any arguments.
              atalef is absolutely sure that there are selected countries (USA, Iraq, Luxembourg, etc.) that have achieved everything with their labor winked , and such as Nigeria do not work well and live poorly .. My assumption is that because Nigeria lives poorly, which unlike the United States does not have the ability (or rather, who will allow it) to borrow, he did not meet with understanding. As far as I understand, atalef defends the right of his and his country to live at the expense of others!
              Alexander 1958
              1. +1
                23 February 2013 20: 29
                Thank you, otherwise I somehow didn't understand what was happening right away. It seems that he did not say anything like that, but Mr. Atalef began to boil so much, to sprinkle with figures, babble about the Bloombergs, he thought it was out of his own naivety. And here it turns out not everything is so simple, he means Evona as, in the chosen ones, he wrote himself, so to speak, "The Matrix" and he is "Neo". Well, then psychiatry will help him.
                And personal thanks to you once again and happy holiday.
                1. Alexander 1958
                  0
                  23 February 2013 22: 15
                  For averias
                  drinks
              2. 0
                24 February 2013 14: 19
                Quote: Alexander 1958
                atalef convinced me that the United States and Israel were God's chosen countries that had undergone natural selection, unlike the USSR.

                23th number sorted out? A link to my words pliz
                Quote: Alexander 1958
                On my assumption that if it were not for Stalin who helped Israel stand up in the fight against the Arabs at the end of the 40's, they also put a minus to me without any arguments.

                ??????????? :: belay

                Quote: Alexander 1958
                My assumption is that because Nigeria lives poorly, that unlike the United States, it does not have the ability (or rather, who will allow it) to borrow

                So, she's just the 4 oil producer in the world fool
      2. Avenger711
        +2
        23 February 2013 15: 00
        Money spent on the military-industrial complex is money invested in its own economy, maintaining power in the international arena and selling weapons


        I invest 300 billion or whatever, I sell weapons for 30. Not funny. In general, the production of weapons, if it has not entered the battle, is a waste of money, the people who produced it will be fed by others. Therefore, there is no contribution to our own economy, especially in terms of mass production, if not export. People seem to be busy with something, but they don’t produce anything useful, you won’t plow the land with a tank, and an ultra-expensive fighter will not carry passengers. Very little of what is invested in the military-industrial complex brings real benefits outside the battlefield.

        Income tax revenues rose from $ 403,8 billion to $ 468,4 billion, from corporate income tax from $ 60,2 billion to $ 70,3 billion


        It is necessary to consider the difference. If the receipt of 403.8 billion did not allow to reduce the debt, then how the receipt of 468.4 billion could reduce it by more than 64.6. billion?

        Well, even if there is a budget surplus of 100 billion. It turns out that going to zero debt to pay 170 years.
        1. 0
          24 February 2013 14: 21
          Quote: Avenger711
          Well, even if there is a budget surplus of 100 billion. It turns out that going to zero debt to pay 170 years.

          less than 17-ty (if this is reduced to zero) Read correctly, the conversation is about a month.
  7. CCA
    CCA
    +1
    23 February 2013 09: 51
    the effects of deindustrialization are visible to the "naked eye". The economy is flooded with money - but growth is struggling to recover. To a large extent, because money actually finances someone else's industry and hydrocarbon suppliers. Domestic demand, supported by debt load and a "passing" zero savings rate, will hardly be able to recover in principle.
    The author of this paragraph contradicts his own heading ... Export of raw materials from UWB increased by 1056%!?!?!? than not a commodity economy, however ... And the uncontrolled printing of the dollar will lead to its devaluation inevitably ...
  8. vilenich
    0
    23 February 2013 10: 00
    For some reason, American "successes" are not very encouraging!
    1. Nymp
      0
      23 February 2013 10: 18
      Quote: vilenich
      For some reason, American "successes" are not very encouraging!
      If they were! And after all, not everyone likes the fall of the Anglo-Saxon Empire (and some people are not economically profitable! But you and I do not keep large sums in green papers) So they reassure themselves with such forecasts!
  9. 0
    23 February 2013 10: 08
    Well, if everything is so good, why do some states want to disconnect? Given the internal situation, I doubt that the US is recovering!
  10. +2
    23 February 2013 10: 37
    So I did not understand from the article what exactly is the reindustrialization in the USA? how much has production grown? Exports of petroleum products increased by 1000%? So this is probably an increase from "0". And this is apparently due to the fact that industrial consumers of these petroleum products in the United States do not take them because the production costs.
    Well, what is reindustrialization?
    Profit in 3 Lard? So if you don’t spend on debt, you can draw profit even more. Not an article, but an agitation for fools.
  11. 0
    23 February 2013 11: 13
    Industry and stock markets are somewhat different things and reflect different realities. In general, I would see how they make fat blacks work.
  12. Octavian avgust
    0
    23 February 2013 11: 39
    The monster is lowered from the beginning of Reaganomics and the decoupling of the dollar from gold in 1973. What gave the USA uncontrolled printing of green papers!
  13. +1
    23 February 2013 11: 57
    hmmm .... the American patient is more alive than dead. A sign of the "revival" of the patient is the curtailment of the direct large-scale military efforts of the United States, like the plans to sequester the budget in the late 70s and 80s of the Reigonomy period. The onslaught of the Republican neocons, the Tea Party and other supporters of the real economy plus the shale revolution is pouring water on Obama's mill. This is the beauty of a competitive democracy. Iran will become a nuclear power, and Jim Carrey is aiming at the new Kissenjirs, if, of course, he reconciles the Ayatol with the Washington liberal Zionist elites, like Henry pacified the Chinese commies with Omerika.
    1. Octavian avgust
      0
      23 February 2013 21: 47
      Aeneas,
      Obama is an American analogue of Gorbachev, a showman and a chatterbox!
      And from the shale revolution, people are bent, transnationals are all the bowels of the earth, land and water are wounded. The most interesting is yet to come! drinks
  14. busido4561
    0
    23 February 2013 12: 38
    Cognitive information. Congratulations to all on the Defender of the Fatherland Day! soldier
  15. 0
    23 February 2013 13: 09
    All the same, well done GDP. Forgives petty pranks, but. Metallurgical enterprises bought refueling part. Etc. If they announce All the enterprises that belong to Russia .... As in a joke: slowly slowly we go and the whole herd
  16. figvamforever
    0
    23 February 2013 15: 54
    Quote: S_mirnov
    Unlike our idiots, the Americans did not carry out de-industrialization in their own country.


    I'm correcting. Conducted, but recovered in time, it seems. There are enough idiots everywhere. But it’s important. to idiots removed from power on time. and in America they cannot stay longer than eight years. And even before they ask.
    And where is the article Russian re-industrialization, which lovers of Putin-Medvedev initiative have so often talked about. Where are nano, planes, ships? Where are the new high-tech Russian enterprises? what
  17. 0
    26 February 2013 13: 48
    The article has a huge number of numbers, but where are they from? someone’s independent opinion or is this the official audit of the situation?