Service and combat use of the SA-75MK "Dvina" air defense system in the Middle East

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Service and combat use of the SA-75MK "Dvina" air defense system in the Middle East

Although in the 1960–1970s the USSR adopted and exported the then very advanced S-75 family of air defense systems with 6-cm range guidance stations, it was the 10-cm range SA-75M "Dvina" complexes that became the most fighting. In addition to repelling American raids aviation to North Vietnam, they shot down Israeli warplanes in Egypt and Syria, and also countered Pakistani bombers during the Indian-Pakistani armed conflicts.

The massive use of Soviet medium-range air defense missile systems in local wars had a very noticeable impact on the course of military operations, preventing Western-made aircraft from dominating the air. This led to a change in the tactics of using combat aircraft and the introduction of active jamming and anti-radar stations. missiles not only on strategic bombers, but also on tactical and carrier-based aircraft.



However, even against similar aircraft, the effectiveness of the means Defense Soviet-made systems were not the same in different countries. Thus, the Vietnamese, who had to frequently change firing positions and drag equipment through the jungle almost by hand, achieved significantly higher results than the calculations of Egyptian and Syrian systems in the face of massive counteraction from American aviation.

The Arabs, and especially the Egyptians, were often extremely negligent about the need for relocation, camouflage, secrecy and radio silence, which led to unjustified losses of valuable anti-aircraft systems. When there were no Soviet advisers nearby, Arab officers did not always control the timeliness and quality of routine maintenance; in turn, the low performance discipline of local personnel affected the level of combat readiness of guidance stations, anti-aircraft missiles, mobile diesel power generators and other equipment.

For this reason, the number of equipment failures in Egypt and Syria turned out to be higher than in Vietnam, although the dry Middle Eastern climate was more favorable for the safety of electronics than the conditions of Southeast Asia. There are also cases when Egyptian crews, due to poor professional training or because of cowardice, stopped tracking the target.

Combat use of Egyptian SA-75MK Dvina air defense systems in the 1967 war


According to reference data, from 1965 to 1971 Egypt directly received from the Soviet Union fifty SA-75MK air defense systems (an option for non-socialist states) and 2 B-402V missiles. Several more complexes of this type were betrayed to Egypt by friendly countries.


Although Soviet military advisers and technical specialists spent a lot of time and effort training local personnel, during the Six-Day War of 1967, the Egyptian Dvina air defense systems did not have a noticeable impact on the course of hostilities. Their calculations were unable to prevent Israeli air strikes on airfields, radar stations, military bases, headquarters and communications centers. This is partly due to the suddenness of the Israeli attack and is largely due to the low professional qualities of the Egyptian crews, general disorganization and loss of centralized control.


According to Western data, the Egyptians, having 18 air defense systems, were able to launch 22 missile defense systems, shooting down two Mirage III fighters. According to Soviet sources, Egyptian air defense, having 25 combat-ready air defense systems, shot down 9 Israeli aircraft. The reliable number of Israeli aircraft landed with the help of the B-750V air defense system is unknown, but Soviet data on the number of SA-75MK air defense systems deployed in Egypt seem more truthful, in 1965–1967. Egyptian representatives accepted 29 complexes of this type.

During the fighting, a significant part of the divisions armed with the Dvina complexes were disabled or destroyed.


During the attack on Sinai, the Israelis captured some elements of the SA-75MK air defense system, including B-750B anti-aircraft missiles, which subsequently facilitated the development of countermeasures.

Combat use of Egyptian SA-75MK Dvina air defense systems in a war of attrition


After the cessation of hostilities, the restoration of the Egyptian air defense system began, and deliveries of Dvina complexes from the USSR continued. In 1969, 8 units were transferred, in 1970 – 10 units, in 1973 – 3 units. Unlike North Vietnam, Egypt also received more advanced 6-cm range S-75 Desna systems: in 1970 - 20 air defense systems and in 1971 - 12 air defense systems. In addition, in 1973, at least eight more advanced S-75M Volga air defense systems with long-range B-755 missiles were transferred, which Egypt later shared with China.

During low-intensity combat operations, which are known as a war of attrition, there was also active use of Egyptian SA-75MK air defense systems. In 1969, two SA-75MK anti-aircraft missile brigades (7 zrdn) were deployed along the Suez Canal in the vicinity of the cities of Port Said, Ismailia and Suez.

In 1969, an Israeli Do 750 piston aircraft, used as a reconnaissance spotter, was shot down by a B-27B missile not far from the demarcation line. The pilot died, and the observer pilot escaped by parachute.


Airplane Do 27

In response, the Israeli Air Force attacked Egyptian air defense positions. In the fight against air defense systems, Israeli aviation widely used the experience of the US Air Force in Vietnam with adaptation to local conditions. The leadership of the Israeli Air Force, when planning operations, sought to avoid losses. At the same time, targets were carefully selected, the sequence of strikes and tactical techniques were determined.

Each raid was thoroughly prepared. For this purpose, a thorough reconnaissance of the targets of the airstrike was carried out, the surrounding area, hidden approaches to it and the air defense system of the opposing side were studied. The pilots mastered flight routes and methods of action against targets using a terrain layout. The actions of Israeli aviation had great flexibility and lack of stereotypes.

When striking at the positions of the air defense missile forces, a wide variety of tactical techniques were used. As a rule, the approach to the launch position of the air defense missile system took place at extremely low altitudes (30–50 m), and 3–5 km from the location of the launchers, a climb was made to overcome the fire of anti-aircraft weapons.artillery cover and visual aiming, then the aircraft dived from a height of 1–500 m to drop bombs and launch unguided rockets, exiting the attack at low altitude. Often, strikes on launch sites were carried out from several directions. At the same time, groups of aircraft or individual vehicles performed diversionary maneuvers.

American-made Israeli aircraft were equipped with warning equipment for radar exposure and missile launches. This made it possible to carry out an anti-missile maneuver with even greater efficiency, which was generally similar to that used by American pilots in Vietnam. The aircraft was removed from the air defense missile zone during the missile's flight by turning 90–180° with a sharp increase in speed to 450 m/s due to the inclusion of afterburner, with an overload of up to 8G, and the flight altitude was reduced to a minimum.

The anti-missile maneuver with high overloads was especially typical for “fire reconnaissance” aircraft. These groups consisted of fighter-bombers with a small combat load, controlled by experienced pilots trained for operations in air defense zones. “Fire reconnaissance” aircraft, entering the range of anti-aircraft missile systems at medium altitudes, called fire on themselves and, after revealing the location of the launch positions, carried out an energetic anti-missile maneuver to exit the affected area. After that, they directed strike groups operating at low altitudes at the detected air defense systems, and under favorable conditions, they destroyed the identified targets themselves.

When organizing missile and bomb attacks on Egyptian air defense systems, the Israelis very widely used active noise interference. Helicopters, transport piston aircraft, and light jet bombers Vautour II were used as jammers, which patrolled 20–40 km east of the Suez Canal at an altitude of 3–000 m. In addition, interference was created by a ground-based generator located 5 km from the canal on a hill. After the F-000E Phantom II aircraft entered service with the Israeli Air Force, jamming was carried out by these fighter-bombers from the strike groups.

In turn, in the organization of the combat work of the Egyptian SA-75MK divisions there were a number of significant shortcomings that were repeated, and, despite the failures and losses, due attention was not given to their elimination.

The starting positions of field-type air defense systems were poorly equipped in engineering terms, which did not provide even minimal protection for military equipment and personnel. As a rule, there was no camouflage. When an anti-aircraft missile was launched, a cloud of dust and sand, clearly visible from a distance, rose, which could have been avoided by watering the soil around the launchers. The Egyptians did not build false and reserve positions that could be passed off as workers and simulate the launch of missiles by detonating TNT blocks and thus forming a sand and dust cloud that hung in the absence of wind for up to half an hour.

The desire to cover as much territory as possible led to the dispersion of anti-aircraft divisions and did not allow the organization of reliable focal defense. Firing positions in the center of the grouping of Egyptian air defense forces were located at intervals of 25–30 km, and flank positions at distances of 65–75 km. With this order of placement of the complexes, it was impossible to ensure mutual overlap of the affected areas at low altitudes, and the SA-75MKs located on the flanks had no fire interaction at all with the divisions of the central group.

In addition, several battalions deployed in mountainous terrain had limited low-altitude fire capabilities due to high closure angles. Unstable and poorly protected communications with brigade command posts did not always allow timely notification and target designation. Not all air defense systems had their own P-12 meter-range surveillance radars. Coverage of air defense missile systems by anti-aircraft artillery was often insufficient, or even absent altogether.

The anti-aircraft machine gun mounts of 12,7–14,5 mm caliber, which were available in the air defense system, did not provide effective cover, since fire was opened, as a rule, after the enemy aircraft had left the attack. To some extent, the Strela-2M MANPADS available in the Egyptian army could have helped, but for some reason they were not used to protect the SA-75MK positions.

From July 1969 to March 1970, the SA-75MK air defense system carried out 36 firing exercises and shot down 8 Israeli aircraft. As a rule, the shelling was carried out in a 2-3 missile salvo, the average consumption was 9,1 missiles per shot down aircraft. Taking into account the fact that during the same period the Israeli Air Force neutralized 18 anti-aircraft missile divisions, the successes of the Egyptian air defense systems were more than modest. In Vietnam, before the SA-75M air defense system was put out of action, it managed to hit an average of 4–5 American aircraft.

Egypt's anti-aircraft missile forces not only could not protect important facilities, but were even incapable of self-defense. The complexes deployed along the Suez Canal required cover, and above all from attacks from low altitudes. As a result of the lack of proper camouflage and the long-term presence of the missile defense system in the same positions, Israeli intelligence was able to uncover the design of the Egyptian anti-aircraft missile defense, identify its weak points and then defeat it.

After analyzing the results of the confrontation with the Israeli Air Force, the Egyptian command, together with the leadership of a group of Soviet advisers, came to the conclusion that it was necessary to radically strengthen the anti-aircraft missile forces and change the tactics of use. A restructuring of the organizational and staffing structure of air defense was carried out, a network of command posts was created, proper maintenance, military and medium repairs of military equipment were organized, the number of deployed divisions was increased, existing air defense systems were refined and new systems were put into operation, much attention was paid to the training and retraining of personnel .


The matter was not limited to improving only the Egyptian anti-aircraft missile systems; in March 1970, in the port of Alexandria, units of the 18th Special Anti-Aircraft Missile Division, formed from Soviet military personnel, began to unload. The division included three anti-aircraft missile brigades. All brigades consisted of 8 S-125 air defense systems (4 launchers), a cover group of 4 ZSU-23-4 “Shilka” and a squad of anti-aircraft gunners with “Strela-2” MANPADS in each.

Until July 1970, the number of deployed air defense systems did not yet allow the creation of a strong air defense group along the Suez Canal. In order to make the actions of Israeli aviation as difficult as possible, ambushes of maneuver groups formed from 3-4 complexes were organized. In order to increase mobility, sometimes the number of launchers in the involved divisions was halved.

To ensure reliable mutual cover, the missile defense systems were located at a distance of 7–10 km from each other. The advancement of divisions was carried out in the dark. Particular attention was paid to ensuring secrecy and secrecy during the preparation of the ambush. After arriving in a given area and deploying the launcher, routine and camouflage work was carried out throughout the night.

The divisions' actions were controlled and target designation was issued from a mobile command post equipped in the KUNG of a ZIL-157 vehicle. In order to avoid revealing the coordinates of firing positions by electronic reconnaissance means, communication between the air defense system and the command post was carried out mainly through wire lines. Data on the air situation was received at command posts via a radio network from nearby surveillance radars and visual observation posts.

These measures have yielded positive results. Due to the use of the surprise factor, the number of targets hit increased significantly. In May-June 1970 alone, Egyptian air defense systems carried out six firing from ambushes and shot down three enemy aircraft.

After the deployment of new complexes and modernization of existing SA-75MK air defense systems, as well as the introduction of new tactics, camouflage measures and improvement of the engineering equipment of firing positions, there was a qualitative increase in the combat capabilities of the Egyptian anti-aircraft missile forces. To cover important facilities and troop concentration areas, large mixed anti-aircraft missile groups began to be created, consisting of SA-75MK, S-75 and S-125 air defense systems. They also had units of small-caliber artillery and Strela-2M MANPADS.

The newly formed air defense units had to independently conduct combat operations in a difficult air situation, repel simultaneous enemy air strikes from different directions and at all altitudes, with a raid density in the main direction of up to 10–12 aircraft per minute.

As of the end of June 1970, the central part of the Suez Canal was covered by a mixed air defense group, which included 16 zrdn. Its battle formations were deployed along a front of 45 km and a depth of 25 km. The intervals between the launches were 6–12 km. There were reserve positions for each division. A number of decoy positions were also equipped using mock-ups and P-12 roving radars. To cover the air defense system, eight regiments of anti-aircraft artillery of 37–57 mm caliber, sixteen machine-gun companies with 12,7–14,5 mm anti-aircraft guns, 12 self-propelled ZSU-23-4 “Shilka”, 20 platoons of MANPADS “Strela-2M” were allocated.

Faced with such a powerful group, Israel suffered serious losses. On June 30, 1970, Israeli aviation lost seven aircraft, 5 of them were carried out by on-site air defense systems, and another 2 were hit by operators of the Strela-2M MANPADS. During the confrontation between Egyptian air defense and Israeli pilots, two divisions were put out of action. An attempt by the Israeli Air Force to take revenge on July 3, 1970 led to the loss of three more aircraft. In June-July 1970, Egyptian SA-75MK air defense systems conducted 65 firing exercises and destroyed 11 aircraft with an average consumption of 12,9 missiles per downed vehicle.


Although Israeli pilots achieved significant success at the initial stage of the war of attrition, after the strengthening of Egyptian air defense they were unable to solve the tasks assigned to them, and in August 1970, the military-political leadership of Israel agreed to conclude a truce.

However, the fighting did not completely end there. On September 17, 1971, the Egyptians hit a C-750 Stratofreighter military transport aircraft, converted for electronic reconnaissance, with a B-97B missile.


C-97 Stratofreighter

The Israeli C-97 was shot down at a distance of more than 30 km, but it is unclear which system got it: the 10-cm SA-75MK “Dvina” or the 6-cm S-75 “Desna”. In any case, the pilots of a very large aircraft for those times exposed themselves by entering the air defense missile system’s kill zone.

Total for 1969–1971 Egyptian air defense missile systems fired 124 shots, expending 264 missiles and hitting 32 targets. The average consumption per aircraft shot down was 8,3 missiles. However, these are general statistics for the SA-75MK, S-75 and S-125 air defense systems.

Combat use of the SA-75MK air defense system in the Yom Kippur War


To Syria in 1968–1969. six SA-75MK and 344 B-750V missile defense systems were delivered, which, along with Egyptian systems, were also used against Israeli aircraft in 1973. However, in the Yom Kippur War, the Syrian and Egyptian “seventy-fives” found themselves in secondary roles and mainly covered rear targets where enemy aircraft did not fly often. In addition, the Israeli “Phantoms”, striking in the depths of the territory, carried very effective active jamming stations, which suppressed the transmission line of guidance commands, which negatively affected the results of the shooting.

Much more successful in this conflict were the low-altitude S-125 air defense systems and, in particular, the Kvadrat mobile military systems (the export version of the Kub air defense system). The 3M9 missile defense system, used as part of the Kvadrat air defense system, had a semi-active radar guidance system, against which in 1973 the Israeli Air Force did not have jamming stations.

Nevertheless, Egyptian and Syrian SA-75MKs also hit air targets. But, apparently, the Egyptians also used the S-75 Desna air defense system, which in the reports on the combat activities of the air defense forces is not separated from the SA-75MK Dvina.

The first victim of the Syrian Dvina air defense system in this conflict was a Skyhawk, shot down on October 6 in the area of ​​Mount Hermon. The pilot was injured during the ejection, but survived and was rescued by Israeli ground forces.


Wreckage of an Israeli Skyhawk

On October 7, 1973, an A-4N fell in the vicinity of the Egyptian city of Port Said, at which several missiles were fired by SA-75MK (possibly S-75) and S-125 crews. But who shot him down is not known for certain. The pilot died.

On October 9, 1973, while repelling an attack by Israeli Phantoms on the main headquarters of the Syrian armed forces in Damascus, an F-750E was hit by a B-4B missile. The pilot died, and the operator managed to eject and was captured. This airstrike killed many civilians as a series of bombs hit residential areas. After this air raid, the Syrians removed the Kvadrat air defense system brigade from the front and used it to protect the capital.

On October 11, 1973, a Syrian SA-75MK in the Tell Shams area finished off a CM-170 Magister training aircraft damaged by ZPU fire, which was used as a light attack aircraft.


Light attack aircraft CM-170 Magister

Despite numerous injuries, the pilot managed to cross the front line and successfully eject.

On October 11, 1973, an A-75N attack aircraft was shot down by a Syrian SA-5MK complex 4 km northeast of Mount Hermon. The pilot was captured.

On October 13, 1973, an Egyptian SA-75MK or S-75 hit a two-seat Skyhawk on a reconnaissance flight along the Suez Canal. Both crew members ejected, but one did not survive.

On October 17, 1973, the joint actions of the Egyptian SA-75MK and Kvadrat air defense systems managed to shoot down an F-4E fighter-bomber. The pilot and operator were missing.

On the same day, in the area of ​​Port Said and Kantara, Egyptian air defense shot down three Skyhawks and two Phantoms. It is believed that two aircraft became victims of the “seventy-fives”. The two pilots managed to successfully eject over their territory. The F-4E crews were captured. One A-4H pilot was killed.

On November 9, 1973, a meeting with a B-4B anti-aircraft missile turned out to be fatal for the F-750E. The plane was performing a reconnaissance flight over Egypt at an altitude of about 18 km at a speed of 1,6 M. The crew ejected, but the operator died from decompression due to damage to the high-altitude suit. After this incident, the Israelis began to use UAVs to conduct reconnaissance over the territory of Syria and Egypt, which were also successfully intercepted by the SA-75MK air defense system.

Taking into account the fact that the Israeli Air Force in 1973 lost at least 110 aircraft of various types from enemy fire, the results of the combat work of the Syrian and Egyptian crews of the Dvina and Desna air defense systems may seem insignificant. Indeed, many more planes and helicopters were shot down by crews of the Kvadrat and S-125 complexes, as well as MANPADS, anti-aircraft artillery and fighters.

However, one should not underestimate the importance of the “seventy-five” as part of an air defense system. It was the presence of medium-range high-altitude complexes, which provided cover for strategically important objects in rear areas, that forced Israeli pilots to switch to low-altitude operations, where they came under attack from anti-aircraft artillery and MANPADS.

When planning long-range raids of F-4E fighter-bombers, the Israeli Air Force command was forced to take into account the presence of a significant number of SA-75MK and S-75 air defense systems in the depths of the enemy’s defense, and therefore the Phantoms on the external sling carried active jamming containers, which is significant reduced the combat load.

In addition, having noticed the launch of a “flying telegraph pole” (as Israeli pilots called the B-750B missile defense system), the Skyhawks and Phantoms often stopped performing their combat missions.

Operation of the SA-75MK complexes in Egypt and Syria continued until the second half of the 1980s. Subsequently, the Egyptians replaced them with their own modification of the "seventy-five", known as Tayir as Sabah ("Morning Bird"). This air defense system was created with technical support from China and Western companies.

In the Syrian air defense system, the SA-75MK complexes have been replaced by the S-75M/M3 Volga air defense system with a 6-cm range SNR.

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  1. +7
    12 July 2024 05: 25
    I don’t have time to read Sergei, I’ll try to finish it at lunchtime!
    Good luck in your creative field, thank you!
    1. +7
      12 July 2024 05: 28
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      I don’t have time to read Sergei, I’ll try to finish it at lunchtime!

      Vladislav, bon appetit!
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Good luck in your creative field, thank you!

      drinks
      1. +3
        12 July 2024 11: 28
        Thank you Sergey, I read the article and liked it!
        It’s a pity that you’ll have to have dinner in the information vacuum.
        1. -3
          15 July 2024 22: 43
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Thank you Sergey, I read the article and liked it!

          Only this is not his article. Bongo "communized" the material from here:
          http://www.vko.ru/oruzhie/zrk-s-75-pervyy-sredi-ravnyh-chast-iv
          replaced some words in the text, deciphered abbreviations;
          Quote: Bongo
          As a rule, the approach to the launch position of the air defense system took place at extremely low altitudes (30–50 m), 3–5 km from the location of the launchers, an altitude climb was carried out to overcome the fire of anti-aircraft artillery cover and visual aiming, then the aircraft dived from a height 1–500 m carried out bombing and launch of NAR with exit from the attack at low altitude. Often attacks on starting positions were carried out from several directions. At the same time, groups of aircraft or individual vehicles performed diversionary maneuvers.

          Quote: Original VKO Magazine October 12, 2015
          In most cases, the approach to the division’s starting position was carried out at extremely low altitudes (30–50 m), 3–5 km from the joint venture, an altitude climb was made to overcome the fire of anti-aircraft artillery cover and visual aiming, then the aircraft dived from a height of 1,5 -2 thousand m hit weapons and military equipment and left at low altitude. Often attacks on the starting positions of divisions were carried out from two or three directions, while at the same time groups of aircraft or individual vehicles performed diversionary maneuvers.

          and took credit for it.
          1. +2
            16 July 2024 02: 38
            Quote: Comet
            and took credit for it.

            Your naive attempts at hate are touching. laughing Is the whole article “communizdin”? Back in the comments to the last article, where you clumsily talked about the “successfully fired” Israeli E-2C and then “twisted your tail” and played with words trying to cast doubt on the losses of the Arabs, I suggested that you share your data and provide a link to your source, so here it is , it was exactly: http://www.vko.ru/oruzhie/zrk-s-75-pervyy-sredi-ravnyh-chast-iv
            In any case, I am grateful even for such a pathetic attempt at criticism, one way or another, dull characters like you do not allow you to relax and force you to do a better job, and also increase the number of views. good
            I'm waiting for new comments, be sure to write! wink
            1. -3
              17 July 2024 23: 46
              Quote: Bongo
              Back in the comments to the last article, where you clumsily talked about the “successfully fired” Israeli E-2C and then “twisted your tail”

              So those people are no longer alive. And how they dealt with “unnecessary” archives in the 90s is well known.
              Quote: Bongo
              and played with words trying to cast doubt on the losses of the Arabs

              This is how my bewilderment began with your answer to my question about 18 divisions. If you had simply answered “no,” I would have let go and started digging through my materials. But you tried to hide the source, which seemed strange to me. Then zyablik.olga asked about the shooting, which is quite surprising for the “co-author” of such an article. After that, I noticed that your style of discussion in the discussion is very different from the style of the written article. And I have a suspicion that this article is not your work. That's all.
              Quote: Bongo
              so, that’s exactly what it was: http://www.vko.ru/oruzhie/zrk-s-75-pervyy-sredi-ravnyh-chast-iv

              I understood it. Why sign your name to someone else’s work, disguising it by replacing phrases with synonyms in connecting sentences and abbreviations with their decoding? Why not honestly indicate in the notes that this is a reprint?
              material from the specified source?

              ZY By the way, this article in VKO is a combination of different articles by different authors in VKO from the decade before last.
  2. +5
    12 July 2024 06: 56
    I look at the map and am surprised that such a geographical “flea”, surrounded by large populated enemy countries (with such (!) support from the USSR) survived and hit back
    1. +2
      12 July 2024 08: 24
      The article is a plus, the author is respected.
      surrounded by large populated enemy countries (with such (!) support from the USSR) survived
      There are two reasons for this. The first is that the most respected person among the Arabs is a merchant, not an engineer, not a soldier, and not a doctor. The second is an overseas sponsor. In 1956, the Arabs managed to knock God's chosen ones over the head a little only because they changed their sponsor - from a European to an overseas one. Since then, nothing has happened.
      1. +3
        12 July 2024 09: 26
        By your logic, Israel is a state of warriors)
        With the help of a sponsor (i.e. money), can a 4 million country fight off a coalition of 300 million countries?
        1. +1
          12 July 2024 18: 45
          fight off a 300 million coalition of countries?
          It is from such a coalition of precisely such countries that it is possible that God’s chosen ones are demonstrating. However, countries change, only Israel does not change, which may ultimately ruin it.
      2. +5
        12 July 2024 12: 44
        IMHO, the fact is that after BB2 the Jews really wanted to live.

        But the Arabs then and now “don’t care” about the Palestinians.
        Look, fraternal Egypt fenced itself off from its Palestinian brothers with tanks; and fraternal Jordan once resolved the Palestinian issue with tanks; Lebanon - either there were no tanks, or I didn’t understand the examples, in general - there’s trouble there now.
        So the Arabs fought "leave us alone, Palestinians."

        No, of course, at the demonstration we can run and shout about “from the river to the sea” and now there are volunteers. But over the course of 70 years, they have somehow basically grown to the size of a demonstration, while the rest of the Arabs have their own affairs and, like the Saudis, are not averse to communicating with Israel for the purpose of joint enrichment.
        And the main sponsor of the fight between Arabs and Jews, who gave the Arabs weapons as if they were their own (from machine guns to the Dvina/Desna) - that... and he doesn’t give more weapons on loan/for free. And what it gives cannot be compared with the 20th century in terms of nomenclature and volumes and advisors.
        1. +1
          12 July 2024 18: 50
          the fact is that after WW2 the Jews really wanted to live.
          It’s a laudable desire, but at the same time, God’s chosenness comes out of them. Others, therefore, do not have to live. And it seems that Israel itself is provoking discord in the Arab world. And he shifts the solution of existing issues to future generations, the current ones are not capable of any solution.
          1. +2
            12 July 2024 20: 27
            It’s a laudable desire, but at the same time, God’s chosenness comes out of them. Others, therefore, do not have to live.

            I don’t know much about Semites or any Arab-Jews.

            But are it the Arabs who climb over the fence to kill Jews and take hostages? Or vice versa?

            And it seems that Israel itself is provoking discord in the Arab world. And he shifts the solution of existing issues to future generations, the current ones are not capable of any solution.

            IMHO, he provokes by constantly trying to make peace with someone and reduce his army.
            And it’s high time for the Jews to understand that in the south either they will deal with the Gaza Strip, or the Gaza Strip will deal with the Jews.
            And in the north, all exits from Lebanon, under international guarantees that “all Hezbollonites will go beyond the Litany River,” are absolutely meaningless.
            1. +2
              12 July 2024 21: 31
              There is no solution to the problem now. It was decided under Yasser Arafat, but with his death everything stopped. Some of my classmates suddenly found themselves in Israel, and their attitude towards the Palestinians is no different from the attitude of a number of my classmates who went to Ukraine after college. They were normal, they became Banderaites, and they were almost 70 years old. In Israel, I also observe a similar picture with my classmates.
            2. -1
              14 July 2024 00: 27
              Quote: Wildcat
              But are it the Arabs who climb over the fence to kill Jews and take hostages? Or vice versa?

              Naturally it's the other way around. It is not the Arabs who occupy Israel and keep Jews in several blocked concentration camps. Moreover, the territory of these concentration camps is constantly decreasing for new settlements of Jewish colonists. For some reason, no one accuses the Jews from the Warsaw ghetto that they rebelled and “climbed the Germans over the fence.”
      3. +5
        12 July 2024 14: 07
        There is a third reason - the Arabs cannot unite normally. As soon as they try to do this, immediately each of the countries begins to pull the blanket over itself, trying to become the leader of the new union.
        Just imagine a picture of an alliance where Hussein, Gaddafi and Sadat gathered in one bank. smile
      4. 0
        15 July 2024 22: 48
        Quote: Aviator_
        The article is a plus, the author is respected.

        And the author is not Bongo. The material was published on October 12, 2015 in the VKO Journal:
        http://www.vko.ru/oruzhie/zrk-s-75-pervyy-sredi-ravnyh-chast-iv
    2. +7
      12 July 2024 11: 58
      I look at the map and am surprised that such a geographical “flea”, surrounded by large populated enemy countries (with such (!) support from the USSR) survived and hit back

      There is absolutely nothing to be surprised here. I had to participate in the training of Arab “soldiers” from Syria and Libya. In principle, they are not capable of any regular and organized military operations, nor of operating equipment more complex than the AKM.
  3. +7
    12 July 2024 12: 30
    hi
    As always, an interesting article!
    ...at the end of June 1970, the central part of the Suez Canal was covered by a mixed air defense group, which included 16 air defense forces. Its battle formations were deployed along a front of 45 km and a depth of 25 km. The intervals between the launches were 6–12 km. There were reserve positions for each division. A number of decoy positions were also equipped using mock-ups and P-12 roving radars. To cover the air defense system, eight regiments of anti-aircraft artillery of 37–57 mm caliber, sixteen machine-gun companies with 12,7–14,5 mm anti-aircraft guns, 12 self-propelled ZSU-23-4 “Shilka”, 20 platoons of MANPADS “Strela-2M” were allocated.
    Faced with such a powerful group, Israel suffered serious losses.

    A look at the situation from the “other side”, where “a quarter of the people are ours.”
    "... in the eastern desert of Egypt, an “iron barrier” was unfolding from the Suez Canal to Cairo: a dense network of 10 batteries of air defense missiles overlapping each other, and between them “Gandish” - ZSU 23X4, anti-aircraft self-propelled guns with 4 twin rapid-fire 23mm cannons controlled by autonomous radar, known for their lethal effectiveness against low-flying aircraft."
    First we tried electronic warfare: “The Americans have a solution,” said the head of the Electronic Systems group, Lieutenant Colonel Yosuke Naor.
    .... there is an electronic “pod” (pod in English), ALQ71, which can be hung on the Phantom.
    "Using a pod requires a special technique of flying in a link," the American colonel began his lecture to senior officers of the Israeli Air Force. "In order to get the effect of flying with a pod suspended under the belly of the Phantom and to prevent the possibility of enemy surface-to-air missiles, you need to change your flight profiles. "Pod Formation" - "pod formation"! This method will allow you to reach the target at an optimal altitude, which will make it easier to find the air defense battery."
    "Before the attack begins," Brog explained, "the leader must establish himself at 18 feet, and the remaining three aircraft must line up with him in formation at a distance of 500 meters from each other, with a difference in altitude of 100 feet between the aircraft."
    “In order to maintain the pod formation, everyone must maintain a certain speed and under no circumstances should you break the formation,” Brog warned and emphasized, “even when air defense missiles start flying in your direction. It is enough for one aircraft not to be in the right place in the formation for the air defense missile system radars to capture it as a target and break the defense of all the others, turning the Phantoms into lame ducks awaiting mercy from the enemy."

    Nothing good came of it with the "pod" and the "pod system". https://berkovich-zametki.com/2014/Zametki/Nomer11_12/Mostov1.php
    1. +4
      12 July 2024 14: 38
      Quote: Wildcat
      Nothing good came of it with the "pod" and the "pod system".

      In Vietnam, they also used Pod Formation - a specially designed formation of aircraft, in which the electronic warfare containers of individual aircraft enhanced the protection of the entire group.

      With such tactics, it was necessary to clearly maintain the relative position of the aircraft, because if the formation was too wide, the group electronic warfare broke up into individual protection, the power of which was not enough for complete suppression, and if the formation was too dense, the radiation of several electronic warfare containers served as a beacon for passive detection systems.
      Another problem was the low accuracy of bomb release while maintaining formation (as in WWII - group release and huge dispersion spots). If the group switched to individual work on targets (for example, from a dive), then mutual electronic warfare cover was immediately destroyed.
      And then the Vietnamese found the weak side of the Pod Formation - a blind spot in the aft sectors. And their fighters shot down 2 vehicles from the Pod Formation in 15 months. And new experiments began.
      1. +1
        12 July 2024 14: 43
        The Israelis did even worse with the pod; I’ll write about that later.
        Well, how did they destroy the air defense systems of the Egyptians (spoiler - the best electronic warfare is armored vehicles in the position of the air defense system) and the Syrians (spoiler - almost nothing).
      2. +2
        12 July 2024 18: 25
        Here is a brief summary of the history of “Under Formation”, later renamed into the untranslatable ““Pots ))) Formation”: "In June 1970, American electronic warfare containers AN/ALQ-71 were delivered to Israel and on 18.07.70/24/201 the Air Force conducted Operation Etgar against Egyptian air defense systems. 69 Phantoms from two squadrons, the 18,000st under the command of Shmuel Hetz and the 5,500th under the command of Avihu Bin-Nun, almost all aircraft of this type then available in Israel carried out an attack on the air defense system in the canal area, using these containers and American instructions. The aircraft flew at an altitude of 75 feet (approximately 125 m) in tight formation (i.e. n. Close Pod Formation), relying on the protection of electronic warfare. But besides the C-71, there were already C-XNUMXs and AN/ALQ-XNUMXs in the canal area, which were useless against them. Hetz’s plane was shot down, he himself was killed, and his navigator was captured. . Bin-Nun was able to land the destroyed Phantom in Rafidim. Despite the fact that there were no other losses and the air defense systems planned for the attack were destroyed, the operation was considered a failure and the massive raid on the Egyptian artillery planned after it was canceled. be called Potz Formation in the Air Force, and the verdict was passed on electronic warfare systems: this is only an auxiliary tool, it will work well, but you cannot rely on them." https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/719795.html
        1. 0
          13 July 2024 03: 12
          Quote: Wildcat
          the air defense systems planned for the attack were destroyed

          out of eight attacks, six came from false joint ventures
        2. +3
          15 July 2024 10: 39
          How lovely. Send a group with electronic warfare containers designed to suppress the S-75 directly to the S-125 position.
          No matter what system you build, the result will be the same. smile
          1. -1
            15 July 2024 22: 37
            Quote: Alexey RA
            How lovely. Send a group with electronic warfare containers designed to suppress the S-75 directly to the S-125 position.

            Between the end of reconnaissance and the start of the attack, the SAMs changed positions. Read here:
            http://www.vko.ru/oruzhie/zrk-s-75-pervyy-sredi-ravnyh-chast-iv
            Subsections "Reconnaissance in force" and "Climax".
            1. 0
              16 July 2024 11: 05
              Quote: Comet
              Between the end of the reconnaissance and the start of the attack, the air defense systems changed positions. Read here:
              http://www.vko.ru/oruzhie/zrk-s-75-pervyy-sredi-ravnyh-chast-iv
              Subsections "Reconnaissance in force" and "Climax".

              Thanks for the link! hi
              But by and large, regarding the battle itself, the article says the same thing as mine: the SA-75s are drowning in interference, the S-125s are being shot back without any problems (they account for 2/3 of those shot down).
              It should be especially noted that strong active noise interference made it difficult, and sometimes completely excluded, the possibility of activating the radar mode of operation of the SA-75M anti-aircraft missile system. Therefore, the battalions carried out the majority of launches of missile defense systems using the optical channel of sighting the target with its manual tracking. In such conditions, the effectiveness of firing was very low.

              13.39. The 16th S-125 anti-aircraft missile division, located in the second echelon, discovered and shot down the first Phantom from the 2nd strike group. After this, at 13.40 the air defense force transferred fire to the second plane, destroying it too.

              13.41. The 1th S-15 anti-aircraft missile division and the 125th SA-18M anti-aircraft missile division opened fire on the vehicles of the 75st strike group. But The combat crew of the 18th air defense division lost its target after launching missiles due to a sharp increase in active noise interference, but the 15th “overwhelmed” the enemy plane with two missiles and thereby provided cover for the 4th division, located in the first echelon.

              13.42. Three more divisions (1, 2 and 13) from the second echelon fired at the 14st and 18nd strike groups. The 14th air defense system S-125 and the 13th air defense system SA-75M each shot down one Phantom (the 18th missed again). But despite this, two enemy aircraft from the 2nd group managed to bomb the 16th S-125 anti-aircraft missile division and put it out of action.
              1. -1
                17 July 2024 23: 16
                Quote: Alexey RA
                But by and large, regarding the battle itself, the article says the same thing as mine

                There, in terms of aircraft losses, it is interesting to compare with the material of Oleg Granovsky. According to our data - 6 aircraft, according to Israeli data - 2. It turns out that according to Israeli data, only those aircraft with at least one crew member who did not end up on Israeli territory as a result of the battle are counted as losses. Israeli helicopters were spotted at night.
  4. 0
    12 July 2024 12: 45
    Thanks for the material - refreshed my memory of some points.
    1. +4
      12 July 2024 14: 14
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      Thanks for the material - refreshed my memory of some points.

      Those. Do you no longer think that the author writes from Israel?
  5. -3
    12 July 2024 16: 41
    The Americans studied air defense well during the Vietnam War, prepared well and taught the Jews to fight. This is to stop blaming the Arabs for everything in the low efficiency of equipment during the wars in the Middle East. It is easy to hide equipment in the jungle, but how do you imagine it in the desert? Traitors in the Union, Penkovsky, etc., who leaked all the technical data of air defense systems, also helped a lot. Almost 50% of the article boils down to unfounded accusations of "stupid" Egyptians, Syrians, etc. We just have to admit that the Jews and their sponsors were much better technically equipped and informed. When the "Pantsir" was shot down in Syria with the help of a kamikaze drone, almost the same offensive comments were made. Then the Karabakh war, and then the Armenians became "stupid" air defense specialists. There are no Arabs or Armenians in the SVO, but air defense systems in Crimea and other regions are regularly attacked by both drones and missiles.
    1. +2
      15 July 2024 10: 58
      Quote: Soveticos
      The Americans studied air defense well during the Vietnam War, prepared well and taught the Jews how to fight. This is to stop blaming the Arabs for the low efficiency of technology during the wars in the Middle East.

      But for some reason, Vietnamese air defense fought much better than Egyptian air defense. Despite the fact that Egypt received much newer equipment than Vietnam. Plus, in Vietnam, the enemy had specialized Wild Weasel air defense suppression groups and “half-second” ones with their electronic warfare, which crushed everything and everyone.
      Here is a typical raid pattern from the early 70s (Operations Linebacker I and II) - to understand the conditions under which the air defense missile forces had to operate in Vietnam:

      1 - F-4, dropping "straw", 2 - EB-66, providing cover from electronic warfare, 3 - group of "Wild Weasels", 4 - groups of cover from enemy aircraft attacks, 5 - B-52, 6 - escort fighters B-52.
      Quote: Soveticos
      When the Pantsir was shot down in Syria by a kamikaze drone, almost the same offensive comments were made. Then the Karabakh war, and then the Armenians became “stupid” gunmen.

      What else can you call people who use SDA alone - without cover, without a system? When leaving for recharging, the sector of a temporarily retired vehicle must be closed by neighbors. But no, we will place one “Pantsir” in an open field. Or one "Thor". And then we will be offended that they were caught reloading - This is a bad technique, why is there no IDDQD mode?
  6. -2
    12 July 2024 17: 09
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    Quote: Dozorny severa
    Thanks for the material - refreshed my memory of some points.

    Those. Do you no longer think that the author writes from Israel?

    What does this have to do with my post?
    1. +1
      13 July 2024 01: 24
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      What does this have to do with my post?

      Such that everyone must be responsible for what is said.
  7. +4
    12 July 2024 17: 56
    When striking the positions of the air defense forces, a wide variety of tactics took place.

    "Kela (Sling) tactics
    This tactic was considered secondary compared to “Hataf” and was used mainly as part of preparatory raids on ZA positions around the attacked air defense systems. The tactics involved approaching the target at a height of 100 feet (30 meters), using terrain folds if possible. Further, at a considerable distance from the target (for example, 7 km), the pilot began to climb and dropped bombs, which continued to fly in an arc along a ballistic trajectory towards the target. Next, the pilot made a sharp 180-degree turn and left at an extremely low altitude.
    “Kela” required precise knowledge of the target coordinates (more accurate than with “Khataf”), and the problem with hit accuracy was compensated by the use of cluster bombs. The main advantage of this tactic is the relative safety of the attacking aircraft. The tactics were developed by the Americans in Vietnam and were already used there by both Phantoms and Skyhawks. The Israeli Air Force modified it to its own requirements....
    Two Kela methods have been developed, the so-called. low (Kela Namukh) and high (Kela Gavoa), one using the original Phantom computer program, the second reprogramming the Dive Toss mode (dive bombing using inertial navigation system data) to Loft Toss (dropping bombs) when climbing as described above).
    "

    "Tactics "Hataf" ("Robbery")
    The main attack tactics of air defense systems. It was suitable for all types of aircraft without any modifications. But of course, the Phantoms, with their bomber computers, inertial navigation systems and large combat load, were preferable.
    As with the Kela, the tactics involved approaching the target at 100 feet, taking advantage of the terrain if possible. But the plane continued all the way to the target area, made a sharp climb to 5,000-7,000 feet (1,500-2,100 m), identified the target, if necessary, making small trajectory corrections, dropped bombs from a dive and exited the dive at an altitude of 2,000 feet (610 m). . Next - departure to an extremely low altitude towards the base.
    The main idea of ​​​​"Hataf" is the minimum time spent at altitude, taking into account the relatively high reaction time of air defense systems of that era. Hence another name for the tactic - “Attack with minimal disclosure time” (“Tkifa be-Khasifa Mizaarit”). The tactics were worked out in the Lahit series of exercises.
    There was also experience demonstrating that air defense systems do not have time to respond to short-term presence of aircraft in their affected area."


    "Ha-Tsayadim" Tactics (Hunters)
    Kela and Hataf tactics required precise knowledge of the target coordinates. It was clear that some of the SAMs would be moved between the time of the last aerial photograph and the time of the attack. In addition, mobile Kvadrat air defense systems began to enter service with Arab countries; by the beginning of the war, Egypt had 10 such air defense systems, Syria - 15.
    In 1973, within the framework of the 107th Phantom squadron, a course for senior leading units was conducted (“MABANim Course”, MABAN - “Movil Mivne Bakhir”). Within the framework of this course, the Ha-Tsayadim tactics were developed. The tactics involved detecting air defense systems by missile launches and attacking them from a high altitude, with parallel notification of other units to attack these air defense systems, both within the Hataf and from high altitudes.
    In July 1973, Iftach Spektor, 107th commander, presented tactics and recommendations at a meeting at Air Force headquarters. Then they managed to test it at large military exercises at the end of the same month. According to the plan, it was to be used at the final stage of Operation Tagar. However, at the start of the war, the tactics were still crude and not fully developed; moreover, they were mastered only in the 107th squadron itself; in other squadrons, many pilots had never trained on this topic."


    "... the first element of the Kela and Khataf was flight at an extremely low altitude. This made the aircraft invulnerable to air defense systems, but turned them into a target for small arms fire, anti-aircraft machine guns, small-caliber ZA and Strela MANPADS (Zeret ") All this was understood before the 1973 war, however, the Kela missiles were considered to be a more serious threat, followed by the Khataf. However, the volumes of fire from the SV and ZA. led to heavy losses of attacking aircraft even at the stage of approaching targets, especially for the 201st squadron, whose routes ran over the largest concentration of Syrian troops (see the article “Operation 'Dugman-5 Bet'").
    In total, the Air Force during the war suppressed 35 air defense systems on both fronts using all tactics (this means the failure of the air defense system for 24-48 hours), while two thirds of these air defense systems were destroyed. To this should be added the air defense systems destroyed by artillery fire and tank raids (the total number of destroyed air defense systems is 43 on both fronts, but mainly in Egypt). And if in the case of tank raids the air defense systems were captured or completely destroyed, then for the Air Force the situation was different. The air defense systems used at that time consisted of a large number of elements: radar, command post, 4-6 launchers, transport-loading vehicles, etc. Suppression/destruction meant damage/destruction of the radar (SNR - missile guidance station), which rendered the entire complex ineffective. In total, during the war, the Air Force lost 17 aircraft in operations against air defense systems, incl. 6 (all “Phantoms”) in “Dugman-5 Bet” in Syria on 07.10.73/6/2 and 4 (22 “Phantoms” and 18.10.73 “Skyhawks”) in “Mefatzah-23” in Egypt in the Kantara area on 20.10.73/25/22.10.73. However, there were also operations in the last days of the war, “Mefatzah-25” on 5/XNUMX/XNUMX and “Mefatzah-XNUMX” on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, during which the air defense systems were destroyed without any losses at all (for example, in “Mefatzah-XNUMX” XNUMX air defense systems were destroyed) "
    https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/719795.html
    1. +3
      15 July 2024 11: 08
      That is, the Israeli Air Force softened the air defense by working from a nose-up, and then knocked out the OP by working precisely from a dive. Not a bad tactic, especially against slow-moving air defense systems. With military air defense it is more difficult, although everything depends on the air defense commander - how often he will change the OP of his complexes.
  8. +4
    12 July 2024 18: 05
    There were also various plans on how to use long-range artillery (or whatever was at hand - drive the T55 onto ramps to achieve a 45 degree elevation of the gun and increase the range) against the SAM system.
    But in the Yom Kippur War, everything did not go according to plan and artillery did not play a big role in the fight against air defense systems: “With the outbreak of the 1973 war, the artillery was fully involved in direct support of the ground forces and it was not possible to concentrate enough guns for the Bendigo and Valerian. Therefore, in operations Tagar (canal) and Dugman-5 (Golan) artillery was not involved. However, later the worked out plans were partially used. Thus, on 20/22.10.73/8/209, artillery worked on 55 air defense systems north of the city of Suez. The 175th Regiment and the XNUMXth Dragon Division were involved. XNUMX-mm self-propelled guns). According to the commander of the artillery of the Southern Military District, the air defense systems were hit and completely stopped launches, which gave the Air Force freedom of action in this area. There were cases of firing at the air defense systems in the Golan, as well as setting up screens from dipole reflectors using artillery in this area. area." https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/771075.html
  9. +5
    12 July 2024 18: 18
    And the Shrike was used quite a bit: "At midnight 07/08.08.70/3/1973, a ceasefire between Israel and Egypt came into force, putting an end to the War of Attrition. The truce was concluded for 45 months, actually lasted until the outbreak of the Yom Kippur War of 1971. Immediately after the truce came into force, Egypt advanced to the Suez Canal zone with its air defense systems, which was a gross violation of the terms of the ceasefire. Israel wanted to respond immediately, but the United States began diplomatic pressure, demanding not to do this. Among other things, the Americans promised to qualitatively strengthen the power of the IDF, including in the matter of fighting. with air defense systems, allowing the sale to Israel of a number of types of weapons previously unsuccessfully requested by the IDF. Among other things, Israel received AGM-45A Shrike anti-radar missiles, the first of which arrived in 45. In the IDF, these missiles were called “Egrof” (according to Jane’s - "Egrof Barzel" for AGM-XNUMXA and "Egrof Nehoshet" for AGM-XNUMXB).
    On 17.09.71/75/2, the Egyptians, using the S-377 air defense system (SA-22 Guideline), shot down an Israeli electronic reconnaissance aircraft Boeing 7 Stratocruiser (Anak), flying over the Sinai Peninsula, 18.09.71 km east of the canal. 12 crew members were killed. In retaliation, the next day, 1/11/1, the Israeli Air Force fired 5 Egrofs at the radar of Egyptian air defense systems. However, the Egyptians turned off the radar, and as a result, only XNUMX missile hit the concrete base of one of the antennas, causing damage to it. The remaining XNUMX exploded at distances from XNUMX to XNUMX km from the targets.
    The carrier of the Shrike in Israel was the Skyhawk, but at the beginning only the A-4E model. ..... However, the United States refused to supply Israel with a number of systems and weapons of this aircraft, as a result, a special model A-4N was created for Israel, which, among other things, lost the ability to launch the Shrike. .... Phantoms were also capable of carrying Shrike, but as part of the division of tasks between Shrike squadrons, only Skyhawks were used (including in subsequent years). But the very first application, 18.09.71/XNUMX/XNUMX, was carried out by “Phantoms” ...
    Apparently, before the Yom Kippur War, Israel managed to receive a more advanced Shrike model, the AGM-45B (although this has not been definitely confirmed). Both models (AGM-45A and AGM-45B) were used during the war, with minimal success. Thus, in the early morning of 07.10.73/4/78, the Air Force launched Operation Tagar to destroy the Egyptian air defense system along the canal. The operation plan included 8 waves of strikes, during the second (suppression of anti-aircraft artillery on the approach to the air defense system, 5 sorties were carried out) 1 Shrike were launched. As part of the third wave (a strike on the air defense missile system radar), the massive use of anti-aircraft missile systems was planned. However, due to deteriorating conditions on the northern front, the operation was interrupted after the second stage. On the same day, around noon, Operation Dugman-125 was launched to destroy the Syrian air defense system. The operation failed, only 3 C-1 battery (SA-75 Goa) was destroyed and 2 C-6 battery (SA-2 Guideline) was damaged at the cost of the loss of 9 Phantoms, 125 pilots were killed, 4 were captured. It is known that the destroyed C-110 battery was attacked by a Shrike by an A-5E attack aircraft of the XNUMXth squadron before the bombing. There are no more detailed statistics on the use of Shrike during Dugman-XNUMX and beyond until the end of the war, but it is known that Israel received additional missiles of this type as part of the air bridge for the delivery of American weapons (Mivtsa Manof, Operation Nickel Grass).
    The well-known shortcomings of the Shrike had an effect: the inability to remember the location of the target (turning off the radar for a short time disrupted guidance), a narrow band of scanned frequencies for each missile (each Shrike model had more than a dozen modifications tuned to different frequencies), low-power warhead (67 kg). The missile range was 16 km (18-25 according to other sources) for the AGM-45A and 40 km (up to 52 according to other sources) for the AGM-45B."
    https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/223434.html
  10. +2
    12 July 2024 19: 32
    Called up in the fall of 1970. The Kulyab training camp was all ready for a business trip to Egypt... The previous conscription (as we were told) all went there. However, our “exploits” took place in defense of the borders of the Motherland.
  11. -2
    13 July 2024 01: 52
    Hmmm. The regular font in the quotes is taken from this material Bongo. And what is in italics is not taken from the Bongo material. This is all for example. But we can continue...
    During the fight against air defense systems, Israeli aviation widely used the experience of the US Air Force in Vietnam with adaptation to local conditions. The leadership of the Israeli Air Force, when planning operations, sought to avoid losses. At the same time, targets were carefully selected, the sequence of strikes and tactical techniques were determined.

    Israeli aviation tactics widely used the experience of the US Air Force in Vietnam in relation to the local theater of operations, as well as taking into account the available air defense systems and the nature of Egyptian facilities. At the same time, the command of the Israeli Air Force sought to find opportunities to conduct operations without losses: targets were carefully selected, the sequence of attacks and tactics were determined.

    --------
    Each raid was thoroughly prepared. For this purpose, a thorough reconnaissance of the targets of the airstrike was carried out, the surrounding area, hidden approaches to it and the air defense system of the opposing side were studied. The pilots mastered flight routes and methods of action against targets using a terrain layout. The actions of Israeli aviation had great flexibility and lack of stereotypes.

    Each raid was thoroughly prepared. For these purposes, active reconnaissance of the strike target was carried out, the surrounding area, hidden approaches to it and the anti-aircraft system were studied. The pilots mastered flight routes and methods of action against targets using a terrain layout.

    ------
    As a rule, the approach to the launch position of the air defense system took place at extremely low altitudes (30–50 m), 3–5 km from the location of the launchers, an altitude climb was carried out to overcome the fire of anti-aircraft artillery cover and visual aiming, then the aircraft dived from a height 1–500 m carried out bombing and launch of NAR with exit from the attack at low altitude. Often attacks on starting positions were carried out from several directions. At the same time, groups of aircraft or individual vehicles performed diversionary maneuvers.

    In most cases, the approach to the division’s starting position was carried out at extremely low altitudes (30–50 m), 3–5 km from the joint venture, an altitude climb was made to overcome the fire of anti-aircraft artillery cover and visual aiming, then the aircraft dived from a height of 1,5 -2 thousand m hit weapons and military equipment and left at low altitude. Often attacks on the starting positions of divisions were carried out from two or three directions, while at the same time groups of aircraft or individual vehicles performed diversionary maneuvers.

    -----
    As of the end of June 1970, the central part of the Suez Canal was covered by a mixed air defense group, which included 16 zrdn. Its battle formations were deployed along a front of 45 km and a depth of 25 km. The intervals between the launches were 6–12 km. There were reserve positions for each division. A number of decoy positions were also equipped using mock-ups and P-12 roving radars. To cover the air defense system, eight regiments of anti-aircraft artillery of 37–57 mm caliber, sixteen machine-gun companies with 12,7–14,5 mm anti-aircraft guns, 12 self-propelled ZSU-23-4 “Shilka”, 20 platoons of MANPADS “Strela-2M” were allocated.

    By the end of June 1970, a mixed air defense force group was located in the central zone of the Suez Canal, including 16 zrdn. The battle formations occupied a front of 45 km and a depth of 25 km. The intervals between divisions were 6–12 km (on the flanks of the group there were more compacted battle formations). One or two reserve positions were prepared for each missile. Some launch positions were equipped as decoys using mock-ups and roaming P-12 SRCs. Each air defense missile system had direct cover means (MZA, ZSU-23-4). For joint operations with anti-aircraft missile divisions, eight regiments of various calibers, two battalions (20 platoons) of Strela-2 MANPADS, twelve ZSU-23-4 Shilka installations, sixteen anti-aircraft machine gun companies were allocated.

    So you can subdivide the VO under the monastery...
  12. +2
    13 July 2024 05: 45
    Quote: Aviator_
    There is no solution to the problem now. It was decided under Yasser Arafat, but with his death everything stopped. Some of my classmates suddenly found themselves in Israel, and their attitude towards the Palestinians is no different from the attitude of a number of my classmates who went to Ukraine after college. They were normal, they became Banderaites, and they were almost 70 years old. In Israel, I also observe a similar picture with my classmates.

    You can see better from afar, this is an axiom)
    I seem to remember that the Jews withdrew their settlements from the Gaza Strip in 2005. And received October 7, 2023
  13. -2
    13 July 2024 07: 55
    Quote: Bongo
    Quote: Dozorny severa
    What does this have to do with my post?

    Such that everyone must be responsible for what is said.

    Firstly, not what was said but what was written;
    Secondly, it’s not evening yet...
    Thirdly, a painful reaction is proof that I am right...
    1. +2
      13 July 2024 10: 34
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      Thirdly, a painful reaction is proof that I am right...

      fool Some on the site know where I live, moreover, among the readers of VO there are my colleagues.
  14. -1
    13 July 2024 07: 59
    Quote: Wildcat
    IMHO, he provokes by constantly trying to make peace with someone and reduce his army.
    And it’s high time for the Jews to understand that in the south either they will deal with the Gaza Strip, or the Gaza Strip will deal with the Jews.

    Yeah, ISIS financed and supplied itself...
  15. +1
    14 July 2024 00: 35
    Quote: Zufei
    I look at the map and am surprised that such a geographical “flea”, surrounded by large populated enemy countries (with such (!) support from the USSR) survived and hit back

    The peoples of these “large countries” at that time had not yet emerged from feudalism. Why aren’t you surprised that 10-20 years earlier, Britain, with much smaller forces, controlled the ENTIRE Middle East. And also India, Burma and half of Africa. And France is Indochina and the second half of Africa. The population of the colonies was tens of times greater than the population of the metropolises. But when England and France faced an equal enemy, Germany, in 1940, they were defeated in one month. Now the Arabs are already a little different, and Gaza alone, with the most primitive weapons, inflicts more losses on the occupiers than all the Arab countries combined once did.
  16. 0
    14 July 2024 00: 42
    Quote: Zufei
    Quote: Aviator_
    There is no solution to the problem now. It was decided under Yasser Arafat, but with his death everything stopped. Some of my classmates suddenly found themselves in Israel, and their attitude towards the Palestinians is no different from the attitude of a number of my classmates who went to Ukraine after college. They were normal, they became Banderaites, and they were almost 70 years old. In Israel, I also observe a similar picture with my classmates.

    You can see better from afar, this is an axiom)
    I seem to remember that the Jews withdrew their settlements from the Gaza Strip in 2005. And received October 7, 2023

    The settlements were withdrawn (because they could no longer guard them), but the blockade and regular bombing/shelling were left in place. By the way, doesn’t the very word “settlements” confuse you? To conquer a territory, populate it with colonists of a “superior race”, and turn the local population into powerless semi-slaves - have we seen this before somewhere?
  17. +1
    14 July 2024 00: 53
    During the six-day war of 1967, the Egyptian Dvina anti-aircraft systems did not have a noticeable impact on the course of hostilities. Their calculations were unable to prevent Israeli air strikes on airfields, radar stations, military bases, headquarters and communications centers. This is partly due to the suddenness of the Israeli attack.

    For several years(!) before the Six-Day War, Israeli aviation practiced almost daily flights of a large armada of aircraft over the Mediterranean Sea along the Egyptian border at high altitude. Then they sharply descended to an extremely low altitude (10-50 meters), where Egyptian radars did not see them, and returned back. In this way, they taught the Egyptian anti-aircraft gunners that a large number of planes flying along the border and then suddenly disappearing from radar screens is a routine action and does not pose any threat. And then came June 5, 1967... It must be said that the attack was prepared and carried out brilliantly, like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941.
  18. -1
    15 July 2024 22: 55
    Bongo, aren't you ashamed? We took someone else’s work published earlier (VKO Journal October 12, 2015):
    http://www.vko.ru/oruzhie/zrk-s-75-pervyy-sredi-ravnyh-chast-iv
    they distorted it and passed it off as their own work.
    1. +2
      16 July 2024 00: 31
      Quote: Comet
      We took someone else’s work published earlier (VKO Journal October 12, 2015):

      It is strange that the author is not indicated there. Didn't they steal something themselves somewhere?
      1. +1
        16 July 2024 02: 43
        Quote: DenVB
        It is strange that the author is not indicated there. Didn't they steal something themselves somewhere?

        The problem is that our "truth-lover" Comet, who was caught lying and trying to pass off wishful thinking as truth in the comments to the previous publication, did not bother to find out the original source of this text. request
        1. +1
          18 July 2024 00: 16
          Quote: Bongo
          The problem is that our “truth lover” Comet, who was caught lying and trying to pass off what he wanted as the truth in the comments to the previous publication, did not bother to find out the original source of this text.

          What text? If the one I cite here as a basis for comparison, then this is VKO 2004, colonel, senior lecturer at the Air Force Department of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. You redid this material of his and passed it off as your own without providing a link to it..
      2. 0
        17 July 2024 23: 54
        Quote: DenVB
        It is strange that the author is not indicated there. Didn't they steal something themselves somewhere?

        That is, is it already clear to you that Bongo passed off someone else’s article as its own?
        Quote: DenVB
        It's strange that the author is not indicated there...

        And from this I conclude that you have never been published in magazines of this profile? Right?
        Quote: DenVB
        ... They didn't steal it somewhere themselves?

        Don't worry, it wasn't stolen. This is their material. VKO is not VO. These are different universes. On VO they still write that the 9M100 has an IR seeker.
        1. 0
          18 July 2024 00: 09
          Quote: Comet
          That is, is it already clear to you that Bongo passed off someone else’s article as its own?

          I do not know. Maybe it was he who wrote the article for VKO?

          Quote: Comet
          And from this I conclude that you have never been published in magazines of this profile? Right?

          Right. And what? Is it not customary to list authors in “magazines of a similar profile”? Why?

          Quote: Comet
          On VO they still write that the 9M100 has an IR seeker.

          Yes, here they specifically write nonsense in editorial articles. This gives rise to angry retorts and heated arguments in the comments. The result is that views are growing. Profit!
          1. 0
            18 July 2024 00: 30
            Quote: DenVB
            I do not know. Maybe it was he who wrote the article for VKO?

            Nope. He can't do it. Look at his debating style in the discussion. It is not at all similar to the style of presentation of the material in the article.
            Quote: DenVB
            Right. And what? Is it not customary to list authors in “magazines of a similar profile”? Why?

            Even from a question you can extract information about a person. If a journal article does not list an author, it is an editorial. The editors bear full responsibility for it. The article that I cited is a compilation and processing of articles previously published in VKO, in which the authors are indicated, or similar editorial articles without an author. Specifically, the fragments from the link that I quoted for comparison with the Bongo material are fragments of an article in VKO No. 3, 2004, Viktor TKACHEV
            Colonel, senior lecturer at the Air Force Department of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. Bongo's name is Sergei, if I'm not mistaken.
          2. 0
            18 July 2024 00: 41
            Quote: DenVB
            Is it not customary to list authors in “magazines of a similar profile”? Why?

            One more moment. The author's article is always signed by the author. Further use of the author's material published in the journal is regulated by an agreement between the editors and the author. If the author does not sign the agreement, then his article will not be published in this journal.
            Quote: DenVB
            Yes, here they specifically write nonsense in editorial articles. This gives rise to angry retorts and heated arguments in the comments. The result is that views are growing. Profit!

            There is no such thing in East Kazakhstan region. This is a different universe.
            1. 0
              18 July 2024 00: 54
              Quote: Comet
              There is no such thing in East Kazakhstan region. This is a different universe.

              Well maybe. But how fun it is here. Sometimes I don’t even read articles, I go straight to the comments - there’s more information here.Yes
              1. 0
                18 July 2024 01: 04
                Quote: DenVB
                Well maybe. But how fun it is here. Sometimes I don’t even read articles, I go straight to the comments - there’s more information here.

                There is such fun here now. But once upon a time, VO was a good source of information on military topics for the average person.
  19. 0
    18 July 2024 00: 43
    pendant stations for active jamming, which suppressed the transmission line of guidance commands, which negatively affected the results of firing

    How was this implemented? What type of interference, what is the impact of interference on the radio link transmitting commands to the missile defense system?
    1. 0
      18 July 2024 01: 21
      Quote: Comet
      How was this implemented? What type of interference, what is the impact of interference on the radio link transmitting commands to the missile defense system?

      The receiving antenna on the rocket is probably shielded on the nose side; the signal from there will be greatly weakened?
      1. 0
        18 July 2024 01: 23
        Quote: DenVB
        The receiving antenna on the rocket is probably shielded on the nose side; the signal from there will be greatly weakened?

        Right.
        1. 0
          18 July 2024 09: 11
          This is if the antenna is located in the rocket nozzle, but it cannot be there, but it will be on the side surface of the rocket, and will be weakly directional, since in the process of pointing the evolution of the rocket should not lead to the loss of the control signal. And this turned out to be a very serious problem, which the developers called “coordinate twisting,” when the current coordinate axes of the rocket and the SNR did not coincide with the axes at the time of launch, and control commands to the rocket must be given precisely in the current axes of the rocket, and not in the SNR, or in the axes at the time of launch. And the weak directionality of the antenna will allow you to “blow out” the interference along this line.
          1. +1
            18 July 2024 23: 08
            Quote: Hexenmeister
            And the weak directionality of the antenna will allow you to “blow out” the interference along this line.

            Even with a weakly directional antenna, the signal pickup from the tail will be greater than from the nose. Potentially, the power of the radio control signal from the radar is higher than the power of the interference. And the power of the missile defense transponder may be less than the jamming power. Found on SA-75: radar power in the missile channel - 20 kW, beam width - 20 degrees, frequencies 850 - MHz and 875 MHz.
            1. +1
              19 July 2024 06: 55
              You are confusing detection immunity (radar) and recognition (communication line). On the 75th, there is a communication line between the SNR and the missile for transmitting control commands. If the entire block of its data is not correctly recognized on the missile, it will immediately fly "in the wrong direction". And there were no corrections for several blocks, or other modern miracles. It is much easier to suppress such a line. If you remember, for example, relative phase manipulation can be easily suppressed by an ordinary unmodulated external signal at the carrier frequency, or near it. When talking about the 75th, you must always remember that there were no computers in the SNR and missiles!!!
              1. +1
                26 July 2024 00: 29
                Quote: Hexenmeister
                You are confusing the noise immunity of detection (radar) and recognition (communication line).

                In both cases it all depends on the signal/interference ratio, the only difference is in the levels.
                Quote: Hexenmeister
                On the 75th, there is a communication line between the SNR and the rocket for transmitting control commands; if the entire block of its data is not correctly recognized on the rocket, it will immediately fly “in the wrong direction.” And there were no corrections for several blocks or other modern miracles. It is much easier to crush such a line.

                EMNIP, each control pulse was encoded by a pulse triple, which was transmitted in several frames. The request impulse was not encoded. And there were no modern miracles on the part of the SAP either.
                Quote: Hexenmeister
                If you remember, for example, relative phase shift keying can be easily suppressed by a conventional unmodulated external signal at or near the carrier frequency.

                Depends on the power. The power of the S-75M interrogation signal is about 20 kW, the S-125M1 is about 1400 W. The power of the command transmitter S-75M is 20 W, S-125M1 is 10-12 W. And the Wasp has a command transmitter power of about 100 kW (pulse).
                In Israel in 1973 there were modifications of the same AN/ALQ-71 that the Americans had in Vietnam in 1972. But in Israel there were already AN/ALQ-101 and -119. Already automatically tuned to the radar, but they did not have the range of the command radio line.
                1. +1
                  26 July 2024 12: 19
                  It was all so long ago... but I started to figure out what I could find out. And so we have:
                  The target is sighted by reflected signals, and missiles are sighted by response signals in the centimeter wavelength range using the pulse method. The radio telecontrol line also operates in pulse mode in the decimeter wavelength range
                  That is, the interference of the control line in the decimeter range has not been canceled; a directional antenna along this line cannot be made on a rocket!
                  In the SNR-75V station, request pulses are also transmitted to the missiles via the telecontrol line. This allows: to have on board the rocket, instead of two receiving devices (the transponder receiver and the control command receiver), a common receiving device for request pulses and commands.
                  The missile's response signals are received by both sighting antennas at the same carrier frequency, which is set by the missile's transponder, and are separated along the β and ε planes only by receiving these signals on different antennas.
                  To eliminate the mutual influence of target and missile signals, the carrier frequency of the response signals is chosen to be different from the carrier frequencies of both target sighting channels and lies between them.
                  It turns out that it is impossible to make a directional antenna on board a missile based on a transponder signal, the transponder power on the missile is limited, the line is open for detection by the enemy, put interference, you can even do it together with the main "target" channel, the frequencies are close, the closer the missile is to the jammer, and accordingly further from the SNR, the worse the situation.
                  1. +1
                    29 July 2024 00: 55
                    Quote: Hexenmeister
                    That is, control line interference in the UHF range has not been canceled

                    AN/ALQ-101, -119 does not have this range. It is on the AN/ALQ-71, but it is the same SAP that was used in Vietnam. This SAP is not automated; all settings are set on the ground and do not change during flight. -101 and -119 could already automatically tune to radar signals.
                    Quote: Hexenmeister
                    a directional antenna along this line cannot be made on a rocket

                    On the S-125M1 missile defense system, KND 3.8, KU 10. It will be approximately the same on the S-75. But the transponder power on the S-75 missiles is greater than on the S-125.
                    Quote: Hexenmeister
                    The power of the transponder on the missile is limited, the line is open to detection by the enemy, jamming can be done even together with the main “target” channel, the frequencies are nearby, the closer the missile is to the jammer, respectively, further from the SNR, the worse the situation.

                    The power of the SAP is also not unlimited, and in your version it should be spread over a very wide spectrum. But in fact, from the tests of the S-125M1 along the line of sight of the SAM with the spectral density of interference:
                    - <= 5 W/MHz - the channel operates in the entire affected area;
                    - > 50 W/MHz - the channel does not work in the entire affected area;
                    - 5 < ... <=50 - there is not enough equipment for research.
                    1. +1
                      29 July 2024 09: 29
                      This SAP is not automated, all settings are set on the ground and do not change during flight
                      Well, it wasn’t the 21st century at that time, so the conclusion was really a hindrance.
                      - <=
                      ->
                      - 5 < ... <=50
                      The Internet will tolerate anything, even “trusted” sites, for example HBO, cannot be trusted when it comes to the work of the SNR-75, which was “active” long before the Internet, and all documentation is “paper”.