The F-22 Raptor will be retired. The most expensive fighter will go down in history

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The F-22 Raptor will be retired. The most expensive fighter will go down in history

This is what my literary childhood friend Carlson said: I don’t play like that. No, really! For so many years we read, wrote, measured numbers, made predictions, hoping that this golden thing would depict something like that - and now, as they say, we all hit the tinsel with a wet rag.

“Hychnik”, that is, the F-22A Raptor begins its movement... well, yes, if Congress gives up, it will go to the morgue. That is, to the world-famous aircraft cemetery at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona, where more than 4400 aircraft and 40 spacecraft are stored.




Congressmen are still holding the line, but the pressure of the US Air Force command is intensifying year after year and, as a result, there is a premonition that Congress will capitulate.

Ask, what did the leadership of the US Air Force want so terrible that the US Congress itself entered into a fight with them?

And they want to write off ALL F-22 aircraft. Not 32, like last year, but every single one, how many of them they have left.

The most expensive and harmless air fighters, two hundred of whom over 20 years of combat service won ONE aerial victory over the Chinese bubble, according to the plans of the US Air Force command, should be decommissioned and history.


In general, it is logical: if “air superiority” fighters have turned into budget fighters, the generals think quite normally. After all, every hour of Raptor flight costs a fair amount (the total cost of a flight hour is $44) to the US military budget, and although it is bottomless, it is by no means infinite. Alas.

Well, maintenance, although not the most labor-intensive (30 man-hours for 1 hour of flight), there were also more voracious aircraft in this regard (F-104, for example, 50 man-hours), nevertheless, the Air Force would like smaller and cheaper. Manufacturers promised to reduce man-hours by up to 19 as the aircraft was mastered, but something went wrong.

As a result, already 10 years ago everyone realized that the result was an “Armata”, that is, an ideal peacetime combat aircraft. Well, this is for participation in exhibitions, international forums, parades and other events that, if they cause damage, then only to budgets.

But the F-22 tried to avoid military conflicts. So, unobtrusively, in stealth mode, the Raptor flew around those places where it could flex its muscles. And where American pilots fought in inferior aircraft, the F-22 was “stealth” in the truest sense of the term. Nobody saw it even in local conflicts, with the exception of sorties as someone who knows: in 2015, one F-22 did take part in...


However, here it is better to give the floor to General Hawk Carlyle, head of the Air Force combat command in Operation Inherent Resolve:

“While in the air, the F-22 carried out its strike mission, but was also 'repurposed' five times during the flight, meaning its primary purpose had changed. The F-22 flew reconnaissance missions, tracking fighters on the ground, used its advanced sensors to redirect other aircraft and call for additional strikes, relayed data on its missions, and escorted bombers to their targets. During the flight, which lasted 11 hours, the F-22 required seven refuelings.”


This was on the AirForse Times resource in June 2015.

Well... you can tear up with emotion. Anti-tank shells should be made from these people... Khan tanks in the world would come to everyone. 11 hours in the seat, refueling seven times, completed so many tasks... I specially studied the original source, suddenly there was an error, and there were 6 things flying. No, one. But what a one! Like a plane, like a pilot. Sitting in the pilot's seat for half a day, it is not clear what to eat... although what kind of food, and where is the waste? So that by the end of the flight, everything around the waist will gurgle and splash fragrantly, right?


“Raptor” - excuse me, not the “Duckling” Su-34, which has a palm-sized kitchenette, a kettle, a microwave, and a sleeping place (one). There is also a dry toilet and two sanitary tanks from the Su-27. And there, in fact, the second crew member can take a nap for an hour if it’s a long-distance flight.

But it would be very informative to know how it all looked as performed by the Raptor pilot.

However, writing fairy tales and fantasy stories - Americans have always been strong in this. Apparently, Asimov’s spirit has descended...

But even while on display, the Raptor was nevertheless not the subject of deals with the allies. Even with those closest to you. Probably out of real fears of screwing up very badly in front of the allies for that kind of money. Although... the F-5 has taken up the baton and, while being sold, also does not fly for approximately the same reasons. It is very expensive for the Allied gentlemen to fly often on such a miracle of technology.

We saw him... in the sights!


Back in 2012, on the pages of the National Interest, which we respect, there was such an article, written, however, not by someone from the first link like Kyle Mizokami or Tyler Rogoway, but by some completely unknown man. The article said that the Pentagon supercomputer calculated that one F-22 could shoot down up to 140 4-4+ generation fighters during the conflict. And they even confirmed this with training battles against F-15 and F-16.

I remember that we then treated these frankly outrageous numbers with irony, although, of course, opinions were expressed that not 140, but about 10, one Raptor could shoot down. And it will still be a wow achievement. But again something went wrong.

Being a man knowledgeable in history aviation With a little more to do than the average person, let me suggest the following scenario: if you put an ace with tens of thousands of flight hours in the cockpit of an F-22, and yesterday’s excellent student cadet in an F-16, then, most likely, this will be the result. Recorded by outside observers, charts and graphs.

Why did I suddenly allow myself to think? Yes, because the F-22 was seen by EVERYONE who tried to do it. The French on Rafales, the Germans and Italians on Eurofighters, the Indians on the Su-30MKI, the Malaysians on the Su-30MKM, the Russians on the Su-35S. Ours also caught up in the skies of Syria and walked arm in arm.


In short, the invisible Raptor was seen by everyone who was not ordered to close their eyes. This is how it will be right.

In general, today everyone understands that invisibility turned out to be an extremely arbitrary matter and the term “stealth fighter” itself was replaced by the term “stealth fighter.” The essence is clear, the difference between invisible and inconspicuous is not worth chewing on.

But with the Raptor, it turned out that there was a certain overkill: an overly massive advertising campaign to intimidate opponents played the opposite way, and for the US Air Force it became the most dangerous thing to lose at least one aircraft.

But there were losses, as of 2022 the F-22 suffered 32 Class “A” accidents (aircraft crashes with death, loss of aircraft or damage amounting to more than $2), permanently losing 500 aircraft and 000 Class “B” accidents (accidents resulting in serious injury or damage between $6 and $50). In general, not so much, about 500% of the total number of aircraft in operation, but here we must remember that one Raptor costs almost 000 million dollars, and if you count R&D, then all of 2 million.

And if you use a calculator here (wow, the losses alone “weigh” 900/2100 million dollars, and this does not take into account operating costs!), then you understand that the F-22 poses the greatest danger only to the budget.

But, as they say, money is not the main thing, although in our case we are not talking about money, but about AMOUNT.

The main problem of the “Raptor” is that they began to hatch it in the last century, and when it was born, it was immediately outdated! As soon as elements of artificial intelligence began to appear and the ideas of network-centric battle control more or less resulted in something, it turned out that the F-22, which was created during the dawn of semiconductor technology, today is almost impossible to integrate into a modern battle control system.

No, of course, there is no talk of the Raptor being a cat that walks on its own. The aircraft is indeed quite capable, in theory, of performing combat missions at the level of “yesterday,” that is, without newfangled gimmicks like UAV control and rockets via satellites and all that stuff. It's a normal, even 20th century plane.


What can we say if the F-22 is deprived of the ability to independently transmit information through the Link 16 tactical data exchange system, which other American aircraft use? And how, those who are not yet in the know will ask, did he then guide someone there in Syria? And so, in the best traditions of the 20th century - by radio. It is clear that this immediately unmasked the Raptors, but there was no other option at all.

Well, the fact that savings deprived the F-22 of a sane optical-location station, this is especially sad in the infrared range. Well, the lack of side antennas, which limits the pilot’s visibility.

Such a chic advanced combat vehicle.


Modernization? Well, if we talk about a complete change of avionics and especially computers. So yes, perhaps that would be an option. Another question is how much money it would cost and what would be the outcome. And most importantly, the presence of the F-35 makes all this less meaningful. But there will be slightly lower numbers about modernization, everything will become more clear.

In general, the result is sad: the air superiority fighter has turned into a budget fighter. Invisibility turned out to be a fiction, and okay, if they saw their own, then no, strangers see perfectly well, and if the Russians see, then the Chinese, who have both a Sukhoi fighter and their own electronics no worse than the American ones, will see.

In general, speaking about invisibility/stealth, I want to note that such results, drawing the line under “invisibility,” are being done in the United States as well. Didn't take off. And it is very pleasant to state that the super-maneuverability of Russian aircraft turned out to be more effective than the American “invisibility”. Eventually. Speaking about the ideal aircraft of the future, it is worth predicting that it will be a super-maneuverable aircraft with stealth elements. Precisely with the elements.

So the fuss of US Air Force commanders is understandable. An expensive suitcase without a handle that destroys tons of dollars instead of causing damage to the enemy is not very pleasant. And the desire to get rid of this “miracle”weapons“, directed more against one’s own country, is understandable and explainable.

Why were politicians so zealous in defending the F-22 from the military? Well, let's put it this way: it was the crazy budgets that were approved in Congress. Almost 68 dollars (zeros specifically to understand the scale of the nightmare) is not a joke. The money is spent, but the “exhaust” is absolutely zero: the plane is not capable of its main tasks. That is, protecting US interests.

In general, against the general background of the constant “overflights” of the American military-industrial complex with all the superprojects (“Zamvolt”, “Independence”, “Freedom”, B-2 and so on), which consumed billions of dollars and went down the drain, the F-22 does not look like anything so outstanding. Everything is in the spirit of the times.


Puff!!! - and the billions were gone!


And in April of this year, the Air Force launched a new large-scale offensive against Congress, without which the F-22 will not be scrapped.

Air Force executive director of acquisition Andrew Hunter said maintaining 130 older F-22s would cost the same as buying about the same number of F-35s. These are, of course, strong numbers; Hunter, at a report of this level, most likely confirmed this with calculations.

He also announced that the next planned modernization of the F-22 will cost about $9 billion, and this is not the end.

But the main thing is that “Raptor” is no longer interesting to anyone, except, perhaps, manufacturers who can still earn a pretty penny on upgrades. Well, just to maintain the pants.


In this regard, the F-35 looks much more interesting. Yes, it is also not cheap in terms of operating costs, it is not without a lot of shortcomings, but they buy it, which brings money to a bunch of companies that contributed to its creation. Lockheed Martin also included Northrop Grumman, Pratt & Whitney, Rolls-Royce, Allison, British Aerospace, Skunk works, Aeronautical Systems...

Well, yes, half took part in the creation of the Raptor. The only question is the effectiveness of the project, but that’s the problem. Therefore, since 2009, there has been a quiet war between Congress and the Air Force, because the former are trying to force the latter to operate an aircraft for which a huge amount of dollars was paid, and the latter do not want to, because they received an aircraft from the previous century for 68 billion.

And in the United States there is already talk that the flight fate of the F-22 may break the record of shortness of another “invisible” aircraft, the F-117.

The fact that 32 aircraft of the first series will definitely be scrapped is not even discussed. Although the verdict of the Accounting Chamber of the US Department of Defense would make the hair on end even of impenetrable congressmen stand on end: “This modification has problems with operation, maintenance and training.”

It sounds, to put it mildly, brutal. That is, a plane worth 350 million dollars can only sit in a hangar without any problems?

It turns out that way.

Air Force representatives deciphered the verdict a little, and it didn’t sound more streamlined and understandable, but:
“Lack of funding will lead to the abandonment of the Block 20 (series produced from 1999 to 2004) as potentially dangerous and the most expensive to store and restore, and the inability to use them for training functions.”


It turns out that the Block 20 series, which, by the way, is 51 aircraft, is potentially dangerous and is not even suitable for use as a training aircraft?

In general, of course, it’s crazy: to use the most expensive aircraft in the world as a training one.

But the congressmen can also be understood: the billions they signed were supposed to fly to the glory of the United States right up to the 40s of this century, but in reality they really were lost halfway. And this is the same fighter that in all corners of the world was called the very best, although the opposite has already been proven so many times. But there’s nothing you can do about it, really, if you can’t prevent drinking, lead it. So Congress, as the main government body of the United States, is trying to do this.

That’s why the gentlemen of Congress are demanding the continued operation of the F-22, but it seems that making the Raptors fly is as impossible a task as teaching littoral ships to sail somewhere other than cutting. So decommissioning and destruction, as many say today, is really just around the corner.

Well, plus the planes that were destroyed by Hurricane Michael at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida in 2018 will have to be sent to the landfill. But in general the story there is funny because of its tragedy: two dozen F-22s from “Block 20” were, despite the weather forecast, simply left under concrete canopies.


Well, “Michael” had a lot of fun, simply scattering about 6 billion dollars around the base.

By the way, in our best traditions, no one was demoted in rank, no one was fired, no one really shed tears for the beaten Raptors. As I understand it, many in the Air Force crossed themselves with their left foot for joy.

Well, we finish off the topic again with news from the US Accounts Chamber. This body is highly independent, reports directly to the US Congress and deals not only with financial audits, but also with performance audits, that is, a broad audit.

So, an audit of the effectiveness of the F-22 showed that out of 163 vehicles listed in service, 18 are fully combat ready. There is no information about the combat readiness of the rest, but it is already clear that this secret will be kept tightly.

In general, this is the situation. Once the truth is conveyed to congressmen, they will understand that there are two planes. One, the F-22, is a stealth fighter, the best in the world, capable of solving any problem, a universally recognized fighter and a most dangerous enemy. The other is also an F-22, but this is an aircraft capable of destroying budgets. With a vulnerable coating that should absorb and scatter radio waves, which is afraid of rain. With very small fuel tanks and dependence on air tankers. With problems in detecting targets. With problems of interaction on the same networks “Link 16” and “Link 17”. This problem was partially solved in the “Block 35” modification; again, the issue is price and efficiency, and efficiency is lower than that of the F-16.

In general, Congress is unlikely to be able to hold the line, protecting planes that no one needs anymore. And alas, the “best invisible man in the world” will go down in history. It’s a pity, because he’s such a successful invisible man that we couldn’t see his power and combat successes.

Yes, of course, there was the Chinese bubble. And it burst, just as the myth that the F-22 Raptor was the strongest fighter in the world burst. A beautiful fairy tale, although the ending is not written in the style of Hans Christian Andersen, but rather it was written by Giambattista Basile. This, if anyone doesn’t know, is a Neapolitan writer, the real author of “Cinderella”, “Puss in Boots”, “Sleeping Beauty” and “Rapunzel”, it was he who was torn apart by the brothers Grimm and Charles Perrault. Very much softening (yes, that’s right!!!) the plots. So that children can read them, simply shaking in fear, and not becoming stutterers.

In general, alas, we will miss the Raptor. In general, the course taken by the American military department to get rid of all the rubbish that they have built over the past decades is a little alarming. What if they suddenly came to their senses?

But I think there is no reason to worry. They'll come up with something, they'll definitely come up with something else. Shouldn’t we leave the good American guys at Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop-Grumman and other well-known and not so well-known companies without work? Well, this is somehow not gentlemanly. So we still have more than one series ahead, I can smell the budget.


And the toothless “Predator” will retire to that very world-famous air base. That’s where he actually goes.
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  1. +1
    8 July 2024 05: 38
    "the US military budget, and although it is bottomless, it is by no means endless. Alas."
    Not “alas”, but “hurray”. We are talking about the US military budget, damn it!!!!
    1. +5
      8 July 2024 14: 28
      The information is contradictory and needs additional research.
      There are facts "for" and there are facts "against".
      One of the main reasons for the possible write-off is the extremely limited supply of engines, the production of which has ceased. Because they are not installed on other aircraft. New engines are not produced, but old ones are repaired.
      https://bastion-karpenko.ru/?s=F-22
      On the other hand, the modernization of the F-22 continues and is planned further.
      https://lenta.ru/news/2013/02/21/f22/
      The airframe's lifespan allows these aircraft to fly after 2040. But the results of combat use are not as clear as stated in the article..."We'll see.."
      1. +7
        9 July 2024 01: 45
        Well, what a unique style Roman has. We find out from the second paragraph.
        The fact that Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic for 20 and a half hours in 1927 alone without any electronics or autopilots is not surprising. But 11 hours in a plane that doesn't even need a pilot is a miracle. And how did they fly 18 F-117s from Virginia to Saudi Arabia, refueling 4 to 6 times during the 15-hour flight?
        1. +5
          9 July 2024 22: 29
          It was simply the first 5th generation aircraft in which stealth technology was successfully combined with high speed and good maneuverability + advanced avionics for the end of the 20th century. And with all the flaws of the pioneer and a hefty price tag. And now its time is up, because modernization and further operating costs exceed the cost of a new F-35. So writing off/putting the entire fleet into reserve and purchasing new Lightning-2s is quite logical and highly desirable for the US Air Force. And it is unlikely that we will gain anything from such a replacement. Our own fleet of combat aircraft and trained pilots has been reduced to a complete disgrace within the framework of the obsessive idea of ​​​​the "Little Army", and only the first regiment of 5th generation aircraft has been formed so far. . . By the end of this year, the second one will probably be formed. We would like to replace our old Su-24M with Su-34M as soon as possible, and replace the old (even though they were once modernized) Su-27 with Su-35S and Su-57. We should come up with something to replace/update and expand the fleet of attack aircraft and, in general, increase the total number of combat aircraft at least twofold. And for this, not only new aircraft are needed, but also trained pilots, technical personnel, new and restored airfields, hangars, capital casemates, AWACS aircraft, fuel tankers ... the "best defense minister in the world who never served in the Army" somehow did not care about all this, and Shvetsov very successfully converted funds for the modernization of the Army into bitcoins and other delights for all participants in the process. So we are not laughing in the post-Shoygov Army. Our Aerospace Forces and Naval Aviation must be brought into a state that corresponds to the threats.
          1. +1
            15 July 2024 18: 11
            Quote: bayard
            And now its time is up, because modernization and further operating costs exceed the cost of the new F-35.

            Everything would be fine, but the F-22 and F-35 are “two big differences”...
            The first is a real fighter (according to the stated functionality) with extremely limited “ground operation” capabilities, and the second is more of a light bomber with some fighter capabilities.
            "Raptor" cannot be replaced by "Penguin"!
            It's more like something else: firstly, "Raptor" is in fact not a combat aircraft (I saw information somewhere that the preparation time for the second flight of the "Raptor" is... several days; that is, the aircraft flew on a mission, returned to base and was not at the combat post for several days; in the same hole and the above information from the Accounts Chamber: only 18 aircraft out of 163 are combat-ready (the rest, obviously, are either under repair or are slowly preparing for a second flight...)). Secondly However, the Raptor was being prepared for confrontation with armadas of Soviet bombers and accompanying Su-27s. But there is no longer a Soviet Union, and there are no armadas of bombers. There is no one for the Raptor to fight with! And he eats the money regularly...
            And this is the main thing: he has no one to fight with! That’s why the Pentagon wants to write it off as “zero.”
            And Congress is resisting because the Lockheed lobby sits there: all the Raptors will be written off, and Lockheed will stop paying “for escort”... IMHO, of course
            1. 0
              15 July 2024 18: 36
              You wrote everything correctly, but the trick is that they really don’t have a replacement for the “Raptor” - all the money for R&D was gobbled up by the “mad Penguin”. That’s why they went for a new modification of the F-15X, so far only for the National Guard (Territorial Air Force), but perhaps they will start purchasing for the Air Force itself.
              As for the F-35 as a fighter, despite all its flaws, it can engage in aerial combat, its weapons bay has been modernized and now each holds three missiles. And pylons can be attached, then even though it’s “goodbye stealth”, it can still take on quite a lot. Its avionics and radar are good and it can fight in a network-centric war. But... its overall technical condition! When 50% of the fleet is constantly not combat-ready, and what’s more, new aircraft are often not combat-ready and are sent straight from the assembly line for repairs... This is a FAILURE. Such aircraft will not last long under serious combat load. And they have awarded all their allies with this “happiness”. This gives us a chance not to repeat their mistakes and, having made due efforts, rearming the Aerospace Forces and increasing their numbers at least twice, to feel confident against this entire glamorous gathering.

              And the opponents of the US Air Force have already grown up, you are in vain.
              1. 0
                15 July 2024 18: 54
                Quote: bayard
                And they awarded this “happiness” to all their allies.

                “Awarded” is an understatement: all the Air Force budgets went to purchase this expensive threshing floor! Apart from France and Sweden, no one has any real money left for R&D in Europe!
            2. +1
              21 August 2024 12: 18
              Everything would be fine, but the F-22 and F-35 are “two big differences”...
              The first is a real fighter (according to the stated functionality) with extremely limited capabilities for “working on the ground”

              In stealth mode (external pods not in use), the F-22 can carry, for example, 8 GBU-39 homing bombs or two B-61-12 thermonuclear bombs in its internal bays.
              ... and the second is more of a light bomber with some fighter capabilities.

              "Some" capabilities of the fighter - this is in comparison with the F-22. All other fighters of the 4th generation, with any advantages, the F-35 "covers like a bull - a sheep", beats them with an advantage of more than 20:1 (at all exercises "Red Flag").
              "Raptor" cannot be replaced by "Penguin"!

              Of course not, so the Raptor will be replaced by NGAD, although this is not a quick matter. The official service life of the F-22 is set until 2045...
        2. 0
          14 July 2024 21: 35
          Style "strained silly fun"
        3. 0
          16 September 2024 16: 22
          The laurels of Zadornov and Petrosyan probably don't let you sleep peacefully
  2. +1
    8 July 2024 06: 03
    Well, you can “win” a battle without engaging in battle!
    But that’s okay, their business... what’s shining further on the horizon, that’s the question?
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  3. -2
    8 July 2024 06: 05
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    After all, every hour of flight of the Raptors costs a hefty sum (the total cost of a flight hour is 44 US dollars)
    This is not at all an assessment of the quality of the aircraft. For example, our Su-30 consumes a little less per hour of flight than the F-22. Among its shortcomings, perhaps, it has external ammunition hangers, which worsen its stealth. I also read that it still leaves an unacceptable heat trace. Yes, and compared to the F-35 it looks pale
    1. +5
      8 July 2024 18: 10
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      For example, our Su-30 consumes a little less per hour of flight than the F-22.

      Much less. One hundred Su-30s with a flight time of 100 hours each at a price of 44 thousand dollars per hour is 440 million dollars or more than 39 billion rubles. at the rate of 90 rubles/dollars. And 39 billion rubles is approximately 8% of the annual budget of the Russian Defense Ministry. Do you seriously think we spend so much on it?
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Yes, and compared to the F-35 it looks pale

      It depends on what. In stealth, of course, the Su-30 loses, and so does the radar. However, when working against ground targets, 2 crew members are invaluable; they fly further, faster, more maneuverable...
      In general, I understand people who are sure that in the air everything is decided by the combination of stealth and radar, but the Americans do not think so. And as air superiority fighters, they are churning out F-15EX, which are not strong in stealth, and their radar is no better than the F-35, and even worse, it seems.
      1. 0
        8 July 2024 18: 31
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        And 39 billion rubles is approximately 8% of the annual budget of the Russian Defense Ministry.

        More like 0,8%.
        1. 0
          8 July 2024 22: 16
          Yes, I missed the percentage :)))) Still a lot
          1. +1
            8 July 2024 23: 04
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Still a lot

            The very phrase “our Su-30 consumes a little less per hour of flight than the F-22” is meaningless. Because the F-22 doesn’t eat that much. The cost of a flight hour for Americans is the total cost of maintaining and operating a given type for the year, divided by the annual flight time.

            For example, for the F-22 in 2020, that's $2334 million in total costs divided by 27360 flight hours. That's $85 per hour.

            What is typical is that the more people fly, the lower the cost per hour.
      2. +2
        9 July 2024 02: 26
        And as fighters for gaining air superiority, they are riveting F-15EX with all their might, which are not strong in stealth, and their radar is no better than that of the F-35, and it seems even worse


        Who said that they are riveted in this particular capacity?
        1. 0
          9 July 2024 07: 29
          Quote from Witsapiens
          Who said that they are riveted in this particular capacity?

          Americans, of course, who else?
          1) They are positioning the F-15EX as an aircraft that is intended to replace the F-15C/D (and not the F-15E)
          2) They do what they said, supplying it to units that are armed with the F-15S/D
          1. 0
            24 August 2024 13: 03
            The F-15EX is versatile and is designed to replace both the F-15C/D and F-15E. And, of course, it is a development of the F-15E design:
            https://www.airandspaceforces.com/app/uploads/2020/11/15E_VS_15EX_graphic-e1604686173206-796x1024.png
      3. 0
        24 August 2024 16: 36
        In general, I understand people who are confident that everything in the air is decided by a combination of stealth and radar, but the Americans do not think so.

        The Americans think so, that’s why they have 186 F-22+ 2456 F-35 (will be, so far ~1000). Against the planned purchase of about one hundred and fifty F-15EX.
        USAF – 302 aircraft delivered, planned 1763 F-35A aircraft;
        US Marine Corps – 112 F-35B/C delivered, planned 353 F-35B and 67 F-35C;
        US Navy - 30 aircraft delivered, planned 273 F-35C aircraft.
        And as fighters for gaining air superiority, they are riveting the F-15EX with might and main

        In the USA no one counts or names today The F-15EX is an air superiority aircraft, it's ordinary multirole strike fighter - multi-role tactical fighter.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F-15EX_Eagle_II
        The F-22 has been and remains the air superiority aircraft in the United States. wink
        ...which are not strong in stealth, and their radar is no better than that of the F-35, and it seems even worse

        Absolutely right, but: they are much cheaper to operate, each can take 13 tons of bombs and missiles and carry them far, - the optimal machine for war with the Papuans, for many decades to come. You need to have a microscope (F-22), but this does not mean that you need to hammer nails with it, for this there is a hammer (F-15EX, etc.)...
    2. 0
      24 August 2024 16: 06
      our Su-30... even looks pale against the background of the F-35

      The Su-30 doesn't look good against the F-35. The Su-30 is designed for 35th century wars, the F-XNUMX is designed for XNUMXst century wars. They are not comparable.
  4. -1
    8 July 2024 06: 18
    The F-22A Raptor begins its movement... well, yes, if Congress gives up, it will go to the morgue. That is, to the world-famous aircraft cemetery at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona.


    Ukraine will stand on its hind legs so that the Fu-22 is sent not to Arizona, but to them. Which naturally won't happen.
  5. -8
    8 July 2024 06: 18
    Hmmm, interesting, I think NATO will go the way of the Fu-35 and that’s for about 20 years, but what do we have, the insanely expensive Su-57? But I think that it is not in production, probably the Su-75 will be put into production, but under our conditions it actually flies better than the Su-57, it’s a pity we won’t see the MiG-41, and it looks like the MiG-31BM will be put into production.. .
    1. +3
      8 July 2024 08: 58
      By the end of the year there will be more than 40 serial “non-existent” Su-57s
    2. Eug
      +1
      14 July 2024 15: 49
      The MiG-31 needs new engines; it was recently announced that production of the D-30F6 cannot be resumed. Or will those that are (?) in storage be enough?
      1. 0
        16 July 2024 20: 17
        I think that in storage it will be enough for ten years, even with your own...
  6. +1
    8 July 2024 06: 21
    Just look at how beautiful it is, what space. The plain is many, many kilometers long, radio visibility is ideal.
    It is worth opening a competition for US residents for the disposal of flying aircraft: 2000 bucks for a burned Hercules, 5000 for a U-2 or B-47.
    1. -2
      8 July 2024 08: 15
      .The plain is many, many kilometers long, radio visibility is ideal.

      A nuclear charge would be detonated over this plain; if God forbid, all these donor planes and others would turn into scrap metal.
    2. +2
      8 July 2024 12: 45
      2000 bucks for burned rolled oats, 5000 for u-2 or b-47.

      For such pennies no one will even scratch it.
  7. +9
    8 July 2024 06: 27
    Any equipment will sooner or later end up in a landfill, but something tells me that the United States will not start chopping airplanes into metal with axes, but will simply mothball them until the moment they are needed, as with the same F-117.
  8. -1
    8 July 2024 06: 31
    One of their best friends and the main democrat of all Europe will have a stroke if they are sent to a landfill and not given to him.
  9. +9
    8 July 2024 06: 43
    And it is very pleasant to state that the super-maneuverability of Russian aircraft turned out to be more effective than the American “invisibility”.


    In order to draw such a conclusion, these planes must collide with each other in battle.

    I don’t really understand the joy of the author, the article is written as if everything is bad for the Americans, and everything is good for us, but this is not so.

    They want to write off about 200 F-22s because the United States has hundreds of F-35s, which are essentially the next-generation multi-role F-16, but where is our Su-57 in the Northern Military District?

    Well, from a close distance and at high altitude you can see the F-22, and Ukrainians The Su-57 was spotted at an airfield deep in the Russian rear in an unfinished hangar and was hit with a cheap drone.

    In general, I do not share the author’s optimism; compared to the United States, we have many times more problems. We have only a hundred Su-35, Su-30 and Su-34, and they have already produced about 1000 F-35s alone, not counting the F-16/18/15.
    1. +6
      8 July 2024 07: 07
      It was believed that the one who could capture the target from a greater distance and steadily accompany him was stronger. The rest of the gadgets are a plus. Maneuverability is probably no longer for large aircraft.
      1. 0
        8 July 2024 22: 03
        Quote: Prokop_Svinin
        It was believed that the one who could capture the target from a greater distance and steadily accompany him was stronger. The rest of the gadgets are a plus. Maneuverability is probably no longer for large aircraft.

        Who will have more accurate data for firing the same converted gun missile from a fighter. The more accurately it is launched into the target area, the less time it will take to respond to the radiation from its radar guidance head. And here the number of satellites plays a huge role not in our favor.
    2. +8
      8 July 2024 08: 28
      I, too, am touched by how the author repeated several times “oh, how dear, oh, not invisible, they would rather write it off,” although they have not yet decided to write it off (even funnier is that if they decide, they will write off something that has not yet gone into series really)…
      PS: regarding the plane itself - the machine never found its opponent, but confirmed the guesses of the Americans - the winner is not the one who is faster and more dexterous than everyone else, not the one who has a nozzle with a deflectable thrust vector and can ban anyone, but the one who is the first to see and will shoot... because the F22 can do a lot of things and that’s why it’s expensive, and the F35 can kill for less money, but a big war is just about “cheap” murders...
    3. +1
      8 July 2024 13: 39
      There is an example with the B-21 strategist. Which is not much better or worse than the B-2 (all performance characteristics are classified), but much cheaper and, I assume, more technologically advanced. Electronics have inevitably progressed for 30 years and it is to be expected that when it comes to avionics it is "not much better or worse" - much better. All knowledge, technology and operating experience of the previous generation of aircraft have been preserved, which makes it possible to reproduce them if necessary, as well as remove them from storage and restore the combat readiness of old ones. But more likely, having written off the old ones, the project already includes their replacement with a new, sixth generation. Optionally manned, etc.
    4. +4
      8 July 2024 14: 48
      I don’t really understand the joy of the author, the article is written as if everything is bad for the Americans, and everything is good for us, but this is not so.
      So, such "professionals" before the SVO wrote similar articles about the "useless" JDAM, and that we went for the best "unparalleled" built-in system. And in the end, the war put everything in its place. It's a pity that the author will never meet the "useless" stealth in battle. Because for the miscalculations of such "sub-experts" who advise their ideas to the Ministry of Defense, completely different people will pay with their lives. Unfortunately
      1. +1
        8 July 2024 22: 05
        Quote: spirit
        So these “professionals” before the SVO wrote similar articles about the “useless” JDAM

        For 40 years we have been itching, evaluating, wondering. And they waited. But aviation and the navy are not the types of troops where everything can be shut down by mobilized Vanya with the USS68 and SKS.
    5. +2
      8 July 2024 18: 11
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      We have only a hundred Su-35, Su-30 and Su-34,

      Yes, more, more :)))))
  10. 0
    8 July 2024 06: 47
    An era is passing! And anyway... it’s all the same! drinks
  11. +3
    8 July 2024 06: 51
    Apparently, every state needs general's (state councilor 1st rank) toys that they can run around with, that arrange a shower of stars, that they can carry in a parade (hello, Bollywood, hello. Great White Peaceful Elephant!) And we have something to answer Amer with his F22 and Zumwalt! Of course, this is the great family of Armata + Kurgan (I think that state tests of these great systems will still end in ten years ...), this is the Il-112, this is the Great Corvette pr. 20386, this is the Great "Constellation", these are the Great Poseidons, Burevestniks, Avangards (no, they have passed the tests, are already in service, but for some reason the Enemy, with such a formidable weapon, has simply begun to disassemble our Strategic Shield without fear. Maybe they could have gotten by with just Sarmats, the result would be the same, and everything would be much cheaper??) But it turns out that because of this we did not have enough money for other, not at all toys, optical and radio reconnaissance satellites, for the A-50 (there is no talk about the A-100), for the Helios-RLD, for the continuous radio field system over the Russian Federation, for precision missiles for the Tornado-S with with a range of at least 200 km (for the trendsetters, the Chinese and South Koreans, 300 km is not the limit in this caliber), for artillery with a range of at least 70 km (for some reason, 12 Coalitions - SV on LBS, on their own, not Chinese long-range digital radio communication systems for fighters, on millions of their own, not Chinese FPV drones do not save us. We see and hear the result from media reports, speeches by governors every morning, and aviation, as it did not fly en masse over the country of U, does not fly further than 100 km from the LBS with all the ensuing consequences. So we have something to answer the Enemy with, crushing him with our Great White Elephants! And he, the fool, does not yet have Parades and ... Biathlons, where all the newly appointed Secretaries of the Security Council dance and sing, while his former subordinates scatter in all directions and angrily sparkling their eyes from their holes, awaiting a new appointment... at least to Rosvertol to the no less great Furniture Maker! Although I'm lying, the unsinkable weapons deputy with the telling surname Krivoruchko (!) is always on duty!
  12. -13
    8 July 2024 06: 53
    What was to be proved - a grand scam and huge profits for Lockheed. F-35 - a faithful successor))))
    1. 0
      15 July 2024 18: 21
      TermNachTer, in vain you are being downvoted!
      1. 0
        15 July 2024 18: 33
        To be honest, it’s a complete bummer))) I only recently found out what it is))) + or -, let them object to the point.
  13. +7
    8 July 2024 07: 05
    The F-22 Raptor will be retired. The most expensive fighter will go down in history

    The title is misleading and does not correspond to the text of the article. :((
    Of course, all planes will one day be decommissioned and become history. But in relation to the F-22, not now.
  14. 0
    8 July 2024 07: 06
    The characteristics of the aircraft that will replace the F 22 are already known. Information in the picture, description below.
    The US Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program has been ongoing for several years, and the Pentagon expects it to move from concepts to direct flight model testing by the end of this decade. The goal of this program is to create a sixth-generation fighter designed to replace the gradually aging F-22 Raptor. The new vehicle, expected to cost up to $300 million per aircraft, will include both manned and unmanned systems.
    1. +1
      8 July 2024 11: 32
      military chronicle writes:
      At the DARPA Center for Advanced Research for the American Army, they are actively developing the AIR and ACE (Air Combat Evolution) program. In fact, complete automation of air combat is declared. Footage has already been shown of how artificial intelligence controls an F-16 fighter and opposes itself to a human-controlled F-16 - evading and performing complex maneuvers.
      DARPA said it was "a watershed moment in the history of aerospace." In addition to a significant increase in the effectiveness of air combat, this promises huge savings on personnel training. Those. the aircraft will autonomously perform combat missions without a person.

      they are working on the question posed to them
  15. -3
    8 July 2024 07: 09
    The article is very controversial, but this is funny:
    The F-22 was stealth in the truest sense of the term. Nobody saw him even in local conflicts
    For this alone, the article gets five marks!
  16. +4
    8 July 2024 07: 48
    Quote: Luminman
    The article is very controversial, but this is funny:
    The F-22 was stealth in the truest sense of the term. Nobody saw him even in local conflicts
    For this alone, the article gets five marks!


    This is not entirely true; it was used in Syria.
    1. +1
      9 July 2024 00: 50
      It was also used quite a bit in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan a little. Basically hitting the ground - about 2000 vilets. And for air patrol too.
  17. +18
    8 July 2024 07: 53
    But the F-22 tried to avoid military conflicts. So, unobtrusively, in stealth mode, the Raptor flew around those places where it could flex its muscles. And where American pilots fought in inferior aircraft, the F-22 was “stealth” in the truest sense of the term. No one saw him even in local conflicts

    How nice it would be to take the trouble and actually look/read where the F22 flew/bombed: "In April 2012, F-22s were relocated to Al Dhafra, less than 200 miles from Iran. [227] [228] In March 2013, the US Air Force announced that F-22s had intercepted an Iranian F-4 Phantom II that came within 16 miles of an MQ-1 Predator flying off the coast of Iran [229]
    On September 22, 2014, F-22s flew the type's first combat missions, conducting some of the initial strikes of Operation Inherent Resolve, the American intervention in Syria; aircraft dropped 1000-pound GPS-guided bombs on targets /// near the Tishreen Dam. [230] [231] Between September 2014 and July 2015, F-22s flew 204 combat missions over Syria, dropping 270 bombs in approximately 60 locations. [232] Throughout their deployment, the F-22s provided close air support (CAS) and also deterred Syrian, Iranian, and Russian aircraft from attacking U.S.-backed Kurdish forces and disrupting U.S. operations in the region. [233] [234] [235] F-22s also participated in American strikes that defeated pro-Assad and Russian Wagner Group paramilitaries near Hasham in eastern Syria on February 7, 2018. [236] [237] [238] Despite these strikes, the F-22's primary role in the operation was intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance. [239]
    F-22s have also flown missions in other regions of the Middle East; in November 2017, F-22s, operating in conjunction with B-52s, bombed opium production and storage facilities in Taliban-controlled regions of Afghanistan. [240] In 2019, the cost of flying an F-22 was US$35 (~US$000 in 41) per hour. [145]
    To improve deployment agility and reduce logistics costs in a peer-to-peer or near-peer conflict, the USAF developed a deployment concept called the Rapid Raptor, which includes two to four F-22s and one C-17 for logistics support, first proposed in 2008 by two pilots F-22. The goal was that the type could be deployed and engaged in combat within 24 hours in a smaller, more austere environment, allowing for a more dispersed and survivable distribution of forces. The concept was tested on Wake Island in 2013 and on Guam in late 2014. [242] [243] [244] Four F-22s were deployed to Spangdahlem Air Base in Germany, Lask Air Base in Poland, and Ämari Air Base in Estonia in August and September 2015 for further proof of concept and training with NATO allies in response to / /// in 2014. [245] The USAF will build on the principles of the Rapid Raptor and eventually integrate it into its new operational concept called Agile Combat Employment, which shifts toward distributed operations during peer conflicts; for example, F-22 squads operated from high-security airfields on the islands of Tinian and Iwo Jima during the exercise. [246] [247]"


    https://youtu.be/ZhI52bDYzqQ


    https://youtu.be/8mNpcP694pA

    Criticism of the F22 began almost immediately after the end of the USSR/OVD - there were no more airborne enemies, for which the F22 was created to fight.
    Detailed about this - R. Gates' "Debt" - the story of how the American Defense Ministry "cut the bones" of Cold War programs like F22 (Congress still insisted on 183 units) in favor of drones and MRAPs.

    They, the Americans, are “stupid,” as the great Zadornov said: they don’t know that they can’t take money away from the military-industrial complex, let the military-industrial complex do what it wants!
    And supply the army and Marine Corps with drones and vehicles through public donations! Like, help, the cowboys of Texas and the hippies of California, the DEVGRU unit and the 101 Airborne Division landing force do not have enough for drones and they could at least have a golf cart (even if not mine-resistant) - help with your labor dollars, as much as you can. And for first aid kits, for walkie-talkies and for thermal imagers. And if anyone has any shotgun, give it too, as much as you can, you have to shoot back from the FPV.
    No, they, the Americans, don’t know that this is possible.
    They will drive away their defense minister until the cries from Afghanistan begin."no, we don’t need so many drones anymore, otherwise they will cover the sky" - the quote is verbatim. They will "bet on 4 dice" the military-industrial complex so that it makes the necessary MRAPs and does not make the unnecessary F22s and at the same time "bet on 4 dice" the Air Force so that these MRAPs are immediately delivered to the combat zone.
    They will even kick out respected people from the medical service - and not because the Marine’s first-aid kit contains a tourniquet and IPP, but a “killed/wounded” attitude like in World War II - but because the DB veterans do not like the renovations at Walter Reed Hospital.

    In the meantime, I suggest you laugh at the naive Americans, this is what they came up with: replace the F22 with new planes! Yes, these F22 NURSs have never even fired from a pitching position!
    1. +1
      8 July 2024 11: 39
      Quote: Wildcat
      They, the Americans, are “stupid,” as the great Zadornov said: they don’t know that they can’t take money away from the military-industrial complex, let the military-industrial complex do what it wants!

      As practice has shown, the military-industrial complex, like that water, will find a hole. It will take years to play with a missile defense laser on an airplane for budget money, although from the very beginning it was clear that for it to work, you first need to remove the atmosphere from the Earth. This will impose on the fleet dozens of meaningless super-universal ships of two projects. Well, little things, like nuts for 90 kilo bucks per package. wink
      And I still don’t remember about the eternal feeding trough that has been going on since the 60s - the advanced small arms program. Even the end of the Cold War could not nail it down - the program, like a snake, once again dropped skin old name and continued.
      1. +2
        8 July 2024 11: 47
        That's right.
        They can also study “torsion fields” or practice “combat magic.”
        But you can force the industry to do what needs to be done, amid cries of “if you don’t make MCIs, we’ll give the contract to Oshkosh.”
    2. +4
      8 July 2024 11: 44
      How subtly and with humor you pointed out to the Author his thick absurdities. Especially to the point on nurses from pitching, which, no matter how you look at the official media, always hit the target. hi
    3. -6
      8 July 2024 11: 47
      Quote: Wildcat
      Criticism of the F22 began almost immediately after the end of the USSR/OVD - there were no more airborne enemies, for which the F22 was created to fight.

      Please give an example of when the F 22 cleared the battlefield of enemy aircraft. Well, not to be unfounded. It seems that it was created precisely for this purpose, right? Well, at least that's what your post suggests. One small confirmation))
      1. +5
        8 July 2024 11: 55
        What confuses you? That there were no ATS air armies and Raptor ended up chasing barns at the end of the world? Personally, it’s not my fault that the United States has run out of enemy air armies in the air.
        Criticism of the F22 began almost immediately after the end of the USSR/OVD - there were no more airborne enemies, for which the F22 was created to fight.

        And then it began - in order to bomb a hut in Afghanistan, you need to fly the plane at 30 thousand dollars per hour, and with refueling the Afghan hut cost 400 thousand dollars.
        And Airtractor did it for approximately 1 thousand euros per hour. And the F35 looks cheaper.
        But Congress does not allow the program to be curtailed, “there are not enough planes and the voters-suppliers need to eat.”
        1. -7
          8 July 2024 11: 58
          Quote: Wildcat
          What confuses you? That there were no ATS air armies and Raptor ended up chasing barns at the end of the world

          What confuses me is that the opinion of the author of the article is based on facts. F 22 was never used, although there were conflicts and some others. And your completely unfounded ode to the monstrous power of the F22 is unfounded. Nothing. At all. You should be ashamed.
          It wouldn’t cost anything to concoct a division of “chubby flying terminators”, write “Dmitro Golopupenko” on the foreheads of the John Smiths and clear the skies of the Northern Military District from despicable Russian planes. So what? Do we take a loading dose of this drug? Oh well...
          1. +8
            8 July 2024 12: 03
            It wouldn't be worth it to you.

            The author writes that "Nobody saw it even in local conflicts." I give a list of those places where the Raptor was used in combat.

            Where are the odes to “monstrous power” - you, a musician or poet or writer, probably know better.

            "You should be ashamed." As soon as I start writing like you, I’ll immediately start to feel shy. In the meantime, it’s too early for me.
            1. -7
              8 July 2024 12: 12
              That's not what I asked you about. Of course, the interception (not downing, as I understand it) of the F-4 Phantom II, produced in 61, is a tremendous success. In the remaining two (three) cases, the F 22s menacingly “provided support”) without knocking down anyone. Bomb strikes are convenient because they can be attributed to whoever you want)
              So, you still haven’t given a single fact, drawing conclusions solely on your fantasies. And the author is based on facts. Etadrugin is a super powerful medicine! Well, for self-soothing) He has a very bad effect on those around him. I'm not a musician)) Not even at all...
              1. +5
                8 July 2024 12: 27
                If this makes you feel better, let us come to the conclusion that the American government is hiding the fact that the F22 does not fly anywhere and is simply “cutting the budget according to the line item.” All the information about F22 is a cover operation.
                And if the author of a respected article has not seen something, for example F22, then it does not exist.

                Well, for peace of mind)
                I can’t, only on Friday, not earlier.
                Etadrugin is a super powerful medicine!
                B52 is a super powerful medicine. You can also persuade the bartender to replace part B52 with the secret B53. And then call the valiant flight crew in caps to the runway, so to speak.
                1. -1
                  9 July 2024 07: 38
                  Quote: Wildcat
                  Let us come to the conclusion that the American government is hiding the fact that the F22 does not fly anywhere and is simply “cutting the budget according to the line item.” All the information about F22 is a cover operation.

                  It won't work) The eighteenth century was a long time ago, although for some reason you don't notice it. Now governments are not able to conduct such operations, that time is gone forever. Information is taken not from government sources, but from all other sources, of which there are countless) Now they hide the truth using other methods... Which were not used here. The US government does not release F22 from hangars for the simple reason that they do not fulfill even a tenth of the advertising claims. As stated in the article)
  18. Des
    -2
    8 July 2024 08: 10
    Thanks to the respected author(!) on VO for an easy and fun readable article about the aircraft. Because The author is multifaceted, so I won’t specify the plane. Because he could well write such an article (normal, by the way) about any other product or phenomenon.
    From, note those()), author’s article:
    "In the end. Speaking about the ideal aircraft of the future, it is worth predicting that it will be a super-maneuverable aircraft with stealth elements. Exactly with the elements." I agree completely + “AI” and mass production. So far, only one plane answers this - our main enemy.

    “Well, plus, those planes that were destroyed by Hurricane Michael at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida in 2018 will have to be sent to the landfill. But in general, the story there is funny because of its tragedy: two dozen F-22s were “Block 20”, despite for the weather forecast," they simply left it under concrete canopies."
    Yes, "concrete canopies"))) - this is relevant for us now. Indeed, the redeployment of aircraft was possible. Why they didn't do it... the topic is interesting.
    A good article is not about us.
  19. -5
    8 July 2024 08: 43
    It’s not true, he fought, for example, with transformers.
  20. +1
    8 July 2024 09: 06
    As the most technologically advanced conflict since WWII, it naturally had an impact on the development of weapons; an agreement will be signed in the coming year, and whether it is peace or a truce for 3-5 years depends on what it will be like.
  21. +2
    8 July 2024 09: 25
    As usual, he came up with it himself, he got away with joy))) you should have at least looked before composing your libel about the composition of the avionics on the 22nd... In his voice he conveys...
    PS. Here the other day FB posted an audio recording of an attack by a Patriot Su-34 on the pipe, this is where information is transmitted by voice.
  22. +3
    8 July 2024 11: 31
    After all, every hour of Raptor flight costs a fair amount (the total cost of a flight hour is $44) to the US military budget, and although it is bottomless, it is by no means infinite.

    Hmmm... in 2016, one flight hour of the Raptor in combat cost the Air Force $68. It was only “half a second” more expensive. smile
    1. 0
      16 July 2024 07: 00
      And what? Are you reading other people's money? When trillions of rubles were transferred to Dubai and the USA?
      1. 0
        16 July 2024 10: 38
        Apples and uncle in Kiev. ©
        Yes, I count other people's money. Because the absolute figures for the cost of a Raptor flight hour in the article do not give the overall picture - everything is learned by comparison.
  23. +1
    8 July 2024 11: 40
    The Americans, of course, know better, but as the SVO has shown, in the event of a big mess, even the oldest weapons will be used. Because, firstly, it is ready, and secondly, it has been done this way for a long time, it can be considered conditionally free.
  24. -9
    8 July 2024 11: 42
    As I have written many times, the so-called "radar invisibility" is most likely a brilliant operation of the Soviet special services against the Air Force (and it turned out against the Navy, ha-ha) of the USA. Well, more and more people are starting to catch up...
    1. 0
      24 August 2024 13: 30
      You probably still don’t realize that radar has already been invented?.. laughing lol
      1. 0
        24 August 2024 17: 08
        You opened a new world for me! I'm amazed! In my military specialty, I studied PRV 13 and PRV 17, antiquity, of course, but they were in full service at that time. You probably think you're terribly witty. 13 years old? All 14?
        1. 0
          24 August 2024 17: 13
          You opened a new world for me! I'm amazed!

          Glad to! laughing
          You probably think you're terribly witty.

          Sometimes it happens... lol
          13 years old? All 14?

          A little more: it will be 74 in about a month...
          But would you like to hear a more specific question?
  25. -2
    8 July 2024 12: 51
    Everything is correct. There are articles in the US media on the topic of the 6th generation, I think for good reason. They clear the place and the finances will go ........ whoever needs it will go
  26. -7
    8 July 2024 13: 28
    How to control a crowd? These comments clearly demonstrate this. A miracle of previously unseen and unique weapons is created. Already the epithets for this weapon indicate the presence of a cargo cult. As a result, we get somewhere out there a fucking tchotchke that few people have seen in reality, and millions of adherents of the cargo cult of this tchotchke. And in reality, it is these adherents who fight for the United States with the most ordinary weapons. And there, in the distance, above the city on the hill, wonderful miracles shine with holy light, including the most advanced and most wonderful weapons.
    This is how you need to be able to fool millions of people. laughing
    1. +1
      24 August 2024 13: 37
      For some reason, you are not surprised that "nuclear weapons are still not widely used in the world"? But for some reason, you are stubbornly surprised that "the F-22 does not mow down enemy aircraft left and right?!" laughing
      What enemy planes have already taken off to intercept the F-22? — For example, in Syria, whose airspace has been patrolled by F-22 aircraft for many years, right up to the Khmeimim airbase, until today? wink
  27. +8
    8 July 2024 14: 15
    What can we say if the F-22 is deprived of the ability to independently transmit information through the Link 16 tactical data exchange system, which other American aircraft use? And how, those who are not yet in the know will ask, did he then guide someone there in Syria? And so, in the best traditions of the 20th century - by radio. It is clear that this instantly unmasked the Raptors, but there was no other option at all

    I wonder if the author deliberately writes this nonsense for clickbait, or if he really doesn’t understand the issue?
  28. +2
    8 July 2024 20: 51
    I love it when we start counting American money.
  29. -2
    8 July 2024 21: 57
    maybe where he was supposed to gain dominance, C 400-500 appeared?
  30. +1
    9 July 2024 08: 55
    Quote: dauria
    The fact that Lindbergh flew alone across the Atlantic for 20 and a half hours in 1927 without any electronics or autopilots is not surprising. And then 11 hours on a plane that doesn’t even need a pilot is a miracle.


    What overloads did Linberg have? At what speed was he flying? Maybe he was simply relieving himself overboard, fortunately the cabin was not airtight and the low speed allowed.
    But on a modern fighter, the body has a hard time, including the gastrointestinal tract and genitourinary system.
    So, the kit probably included 5th generation diapers or something like that... laughing
  31. -2
    9 July 2024 09: 02
    Quote: Wildcat
    the second writes that “No one saw him even in local conflicts.” I give a list of the places where the Raptor was used in combat.


    Well... The F-22 is first and foremost a fighter. So how many warplanes did he manage to destroy?
    Announce the entire list, please.
    On the other side of the scale we put non-combat losses of F-22, which actually turned out to be quite a few. Which is surprising, considering that it was unlikely that greenhorns were at the controls... greenhorn cadets wouldn't be trusted with such an expensive plane.

    So the F-22, it seems, has followed in the footsteps of the “Starfighter” and can safely claim the title of “self-fighter”! tongue
  32. -2
    9 July 2024 18: 49
    Hasn't the Fu 35 been written off yet? Looks like they are already preparing a replacement...
  33. 0
    13 July 2024 05: 52
    as the advertisement said, if everything is the same, why pay more. Therefore, 22 have not been produced for a long time and 15 are still riveted. If they perform tasks equally efficiently why pay more. I suspect in our country too, if 35 is effective, why rivet the many more expensive 57?
  34. 0
    14 July 2024 21: 34
    Petrosyan smokes quietly in the corner. Roman needs to go to the comedy club
  35. +1
    14 July 2024 23: 58
    Well, firstly, in the history of the US Air Force there were aircraft with a much shorter service life. B36 or B58 is what comes to mind immediately.
    The F117 also remained in service for only 25 years. But if Congress makes this decision, it means new planes will be ordered. Those. The F22 will serve for at least another 5 years. But in general, again, an aircraft of this class is being developed for 25-30 years of service. Those. Already today he has almost done his due work. And there is currently nothing new in the USA for this class of replacement and nothing is expected in the next 2 years.
    And finally, new planes mean new jobs and an increase in the country's GDP.
  36. 0
    16 July 2024 06: 58
    Here's how to feel, between criticism and gossip (condemnation), that there is a great sin for Russian people (Soviet and Ukrainian people can). Stop disassembling someone else’s stuff, show yours instead, that 10-20 A100s are produced per year, 10-20 tankers, so that Su 57 can be in the air for 5-7 hours (with diapers, since there are no toilets), which the Russian Aerospace Forces received in 2023 not “one or two batches” with an unknown number of aircraft, but 200 units were put into operation.
    Where are the hundreds of Hunters (probably still being “tested”) and Bayraktars.
    Hitting someone else's when you have nothing of your own is stupid and does not bring you closer to victory.
  37. 0
    17 July 2024 23: 38
    Now the Ukrainians will start begging... Give it to us, they will write it off anyway...
  38. 0
    2 August 2024 15: 03
    Lived sinfully, died funny.
  39. +1
    11 August 2024 07: 58
    Speaking about the ideal aircraft of the future, it is worth predicting that it will be a super-maneuverable aircraft with stealth elements. Precisely with the elements.
    With "stealth elements"? belay Hmmm...! It's the same as saying: "A little pregnant"! “Stealth” (“stealth”) - it either exists or it doesn’t! And what then does it have to do with mentioning “stealth elements”? request
  40. 0
    7 September 2024 13: 19
    The plane is good. Yes, it is expensive, but the striped ones, sucking blood from all over the world, can afford it. The problem with this plane is different - the striped ones are so afraid of it being shot down or captured and the technology falling into the wrong hands that it hasn't really fought in 20 years of service. They are pulling F15/16/18 on themselves - from the fourth generation. Writing off such a machine is stupid, even the first series is less than 20 years old. Well, if they write it off - we'll applaud them.
    1. 0
      13 September 2024 23: 52
      The problem with this plane is different - the striped ones are so afraid that it will be shot down or captured and the technology will fall into the wrong hands that it hasn't really fought in 20 years of service.

      А where he should have fought in the last 20 years? He has been fighting over Syria and the Persian Gulf for several years now. constantly He is patrolling (from the Al-Dhafra base in the UAE), but somehow no one has attacked him there or there?! lol Maybe they just didn't find it? laughing
  41. +1
    14 September 2024 00: 16
    And now how things really are:

    Retiring the F-22 in 2030 is unlikely, as the US Air Force plans to spend $7,8 billion on it before then.
    March 27, 2024 | John A. Tirpak

    The Air Force appears to be reconsidering its plan to begin retiring the F-22 around 2030 because its spending plans for the air superiority fighter extend well beyond that date, according to the Air Force's fiscal 2025 budget request.

    The Air Force's planned F-22 budget through fiscal year 2029 includes $4,7 billion in procurement and $3,1 billion in research, development, test and evaluation, for a total of $7,8 billion. While the RDT&E pipeline closes in fiscal year 2029, procurement after that date — designated as "through completion" in budget documents — totals $1,2 billion.

    Senior Air Force leaders describe the F-22 program, which runs through 2030, as a “bridge” to the next-generation air superiority fighter and its family of systems, and some have said technologies developed for the F-22 in its final years of service will be directly applicable to NGAD.

    The budget calls for the F-22 fleet to be cut by 32 jets, to about 153 aircraft, but the documents say only 142 will receive the full range of improvements.

    The 32 aircraft the Air Force wants to sell are Block 20, and Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall has said it would cost more than $30 million per plane to bring each one up to Block 50, the most advanced standard. The Air Force would rather spend that money making the younger models more capable of dealing with the threat it expects, primarily the air-to-air challenge posed by China’s fifth-generation fighters and advanced air-to-air missiles.

    The Air Force also said a congressional mandate to upgrade older F-22s, which were used only as trainers, can't be met until they're ready to be retired. It will also need all the new capabilities the F-22 is getting to keep the fleet standardized, but at even greater cost.

    Pentagon officials agreed that despite the urgency of the threat, it would be foolish to upgrade the F-22s at that price and then retire them in a few months. One said The F-22 retirement timeline is "not yet determined... and depends on progress with NGAD" and other factors.

    https://www.airandspaceforces.com/f-22-retirement-2030-unlikely/#:~:text=Emily%20Farnsworth-,F%2D22%20Retirement%20in%202030%20Unlikely%20as%20USAF%20Looks%20to,Billion%20on%20It%20Before%20Then&text=The%20Air%20Force%20seems%20to,service's%20fiscal%202025%20budget%20request.