Shot into the void: how the childfree ban could affect demographics in Russia

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Shot into the void: how the childfree ban could affect demographics in Russia

Recently, the State Duma proposed banning the “childfree” movement in Russia by sending a corresponding appeal to the Ministry of Justice. At the same time, one of the active supporters of the ban on “childfree ideology,” member of the State Duma Committee on Security, Biysultan Khamzaev, admitted that childfree as an organization does not exist legally. That is, in essence, we are talking about fighting windmills.

In general, a ban on any abbreviation or name in itself does not mean anything and has little effect. If you ban a word and do nothing else, without delving into the root of the problem, then such a ban will not affect anything. For example, ISIS is officially banned in Russia, but there is practically no fight against radical Islamism, as a result of which the flags of this banned organization even end up in prisons where terrorists are imprisoned. The Taliban is banned in Russia, but representatives of this organization freely attend official events and forums.



If the ban on childfree is somehow associated with a possible improvement in the demographic situation, then, in the author’s opinion, it is absolutely in vain - a ban on a certain name or abbreviation, as well as the use of certain words and expressions, is in no way capable of influencing the demographic situation in Russia.

The “childfree” phenomenon and its origins


The author heard the word “childfree” for the first time quite recently (he hadn’t come across it before) - it’s a Western word, and in Russia, frankly speaking, it’s not very common. The media writes that it means “an ideology that promotes the voluntary abandonment of children.” Sounds pretty vague, doesn't it? To clarify this issue, the author had to read several scientific articles on this topic.

Without going into unnecessary details, the word childfree actively came into use among feminists after the student “revolution” of 1968, which was created in the name of gender liberation as an alternative to the Marxist liberation of labor, and about which the author has written more than once in previous materials (see . For example "New Left" and the "revolution" of 1968). That is, the source of this movement (which can hardly be called an ideology, but rather a phenomenon) is radical feminism, of which it is a part.

Shifting Marx's economic emphasis to culture, the New Left shifted the focus of "oppression" from workers to women (feminism), sexual minorities, the unemployed, racial minorities, and migrants, following Herbert Marcuse's legacy in One Dimensional Man. Many researchers view this revolution as the beginning of a series of all kinds of evils: family values ​​and traditional social ties suffered, nihilism and hedonism spread.

Feminist concepts support childfree, as the freedom of each individual to independently manage their body. They also support abortion, which they believe should not be controlled by the government. According to feminists, a woman should independently decide whether to realize herself within the framework of family life or not.

Feminist destruction of the family has led to a drop in the birth rate in many developed countries. It was also facilitated by the hedonistic culture that characterizes the modern West. Childfree, according to feminists and the “new left,” is a sign of freedom and independence, the desire for a problem-free life.

“What a wonderful time - youth! And what a stupid crime it is to spend it on children” - this statement belongs to Bernard Shaw, who, by the way, throughout his entire life never came to the idea of ​​the need for children. The motivation that Shaw offers us can be attributed to hedonism, the desire to enjoy life and get pleasure from it without having children.

Thus, the childfree phenomenon is directly related to the problems of modern mass society and left-liberal culture.

What will the childfree ban affect?


What will the childfree ban do in this regard? The answer to this question can be answered immediately – practically nothing.

Banning the childfree phenomenon will not in any way affect the family’s decision on whether to have a child or not, because the reasons for this can be very different. Some people don’t do this for financial reasons, others think first about their career and put off conceiving a child “until later,” etc. How will the ban on childfree behavior affect girls’ decisions?

Of course, it is possible to ban groups (if there are any) that deliberately encourage women not to have children. But those who did not want to do this will not change their decision. If Roskomnadzor starts deleting comments or creating articles about young girls who write on social networks that they do not want to have children, then this will not cause any effect other than irritation.

But the matter, apparently, will not come to this, because the Commissioner for Children’s Rights of the Republic of Tatarstan, Irina Volynets, recently stated:

“We need to reassure everyone: those who refused to have children are not going to be punished. We are talking about ideology, about planting this subculture in the minds of our people and youth. All these influences of the so-called civilized world lead to the fact that many representatives of the younger generation deliberately refuse to have children.”

Again, everything sounds very foggy and vague. It is not clear what methods of combating childfree behavior we are talking about, other than banning the activities of certain groups on social networks?

Experts in the field of demography are also skeptical about such bans. In their opinion, it is necessary not to ban childfree, this is ineffective, but to instill another ideology - family ideology. Demographer Vladimir Timakov, for example, believes that it is unlikely that it will be possible to put a barrier to the flow of childfree, but it is necessary to motivate families with rubles so that more children are born.

The true causes of the demographic catastrophe


Indeed, one of the main reasons for the catastrophic demographic situation in Russia is the destruction of the family institution and the problem of abortion. According to EMISS, 2020% of marriages in Russia broke up in 73. In 2021, the number of divorces increased by 2020% compared to 14 (the number of marriages, however, also increased).

The fact is that in postmodern society there has been a transformation of the functions of the family, associated with the fact that sexuality is freed from the reproductive function, from the age-old connection with kinship and offspring, becoming completely autonomous. The main figure of the postmodern era is the consumer, who strives to get maximum pleasure “here and now” and avoids excessive attachment to people, business, place.

In addition, at the moment we live in a purely materialistic society, where economic ideas are at the center of people's thinking and life. Money and other material values ​​play a key role in modern consumer society. The same applies to family and marriage attitudes, when the presence or absence of money from a partner can become a reason for maintaining or ending the relationship. Ideas about success are now becoming increasingly distant from family values.

Thus, the institution of the family is in crisis, and therefore it would be logical for the state to promote family, marriage and traditional values, as well as the revival of the nation. After all, the birth rate, as practice shows, does not always increase with the rise in living standards, so this problem does not have only an economic solution.

The approach should be comprehensive - the promotion of family values ​​should be accompanied by financial incentives and legislative initiatives. The state should support young families who are planning/expecting a child in every possible way (with subsidies, long-term loans, etc.), and also encourage girls to leave work to raise a child.

It is necessary to take steps to improve the demographic situation (so that one day the plot of the dystopian novel “Notre Dame Mosque” does not become a reality), but the ban on the childfree phenomenon can hardly be called a step in this direction.
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  1. +3
    7 July 2024 04: 34
    hi The destruction of the foundations of the family is the destruction of the very nature of existence of rational humanity.
    We will degenerate like mammoths...and people like Soros, instead of families, will push through the artificial conception of children and cultivate artificial intelligence...indeed, Satan will begin to celebrate his ball after this victory over humanity.
    Therefore, it is necessary, for our survival, to fight all manifestations of the destruction of the forces of Mother Nature.
    You cannot replace the evolution of humanity with revolutions of all stripes, ugly metastases of our existence will appear... the road to Hell is paved with good wishes.
    1. +8
      7 July 2024 05: 03
      Well, somehow the Asian peoples are not degenerating at all, but quite the opposite... And I’m not just talking about Russia...
      1. +5
        7 July 2024 05: 22
        Moreover, the Chinese were greatly benefited by their own Chinese revolution. Unlike some, who are hampered by both revolutions and counter-revolutions, their own state and their own eggs, judging by the demographics.
        1. 0
          7 July 2024 07: 30
          Quote: ivan2022
          who are hampered by both revolutions and counter-revolutions, their own state and their own eggs, judging by the demographics.
          Really?
          The data from the latest Chinese census caused a lively discussion in the world press, although they were expected: the population of the most populated country on the planet is still growing, but the rate of this growth is rapidly falling. In the 10 years since the previous census, population growth in percentage terms was the lowest since 1953. In 2020, only 12 million children were born in China, 1,5 times less than in 2016, when the authorities canceled the policy "one family - one child." Even in absolute terms, this figure has become an anti-record since 1961, when the country experienced famine as a result of the implementation of the Great Leap Forward policy.
          China is rapidly following the demographic trajectory of richer countries: as it urbanizes and improves education and prosperity, the birth rate is falling. If in the 1970s there were six children for every Chinese woman, now the fertility rate is only 1,3 and continues to decline. The inaccessibility of housing and the high cost of education deter women from having children more effectively than party bans. In Japan and Korea, a similar situation has already led to economic stagnation.

          https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2021/05/19/870281-kitaiskaya-demograficheskaya
          1. +19
            7 July 2024 08: 56
            Yes, China will repeat what the “Asian tigers” went before it: Singapore, Republic of Korea, Japan and Taiwan... But even though their territory is small, there is no escape from urbanization. And that’s why our villages and small towns are dying, because they were precisely the only demographic foundation of Russia at all times... They need to be protected, cared for and cherished, helped/developed, but we have the exact opposite movement - the creation of a dozen super-metropolises and driving the entire population of the country there... In this case, demographics can be put to death. People won't reproduce in giant human colonies, they won't.
            1. +1
              7 July 2024 09: 46
              Quote: Doccor18
              But this is why our villages and small towns are dying, because they were precisely the only demographic foundation of Russia at all times...

              Yes, because the standard of living in a large metropolis will always be higher. This is not surprising, because the main money and resources are concentrated there, this is an inevitable process from which there is no escape and it has not started now. The only way to change this is to forcibly evict people into villages, but this is very problematic.
              1. +2
                7 July 2024 15: 31
                This is an inevitable process from which there is no escape and it has not started now.

                Perhaps not inevitable, yes, not now, but it was necessary to make every effort to slow it down, and not vice versa, to speed it up in every possible way...
                1. -3
                  7 July 2024 15: 35
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  Perhaps not inevitable, yes, not now, but it was necessary to make every effort to slow it down
                  Speaking about the inevitable process, I mean the standard of living in cities
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  because the main money and resources are concentrated there, this is an inevitable process
                  Unfortunately, nothing can be done about this. In general, in the book “The Death of the West,” the author noted that large families are mainly among religious people.
                  1. +3
                    7 July 2024 15: 47
                    Speaking about the inevitable process, I mean the standard of living in cities

                    This is certainly true, and it was necessary to try to help the village at least somehow compensate for this gap in level.
                    Large families mainly belong to religious people.

                    And again, the percentage of religious people has always been higher in rural areas...
                    Maximum support for the village is not a panacea, not an absolute recipe for solving the problem of low birth rates, but it would give at least some time to realize the true reasons for what is happening, approach the problem comprehensively and escape from the impending catastrophe.
                    1. -1
                      7 July 2024 16: 19
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      so it was necessary to try to help the village at least somehow compensate for this gap in the level of

                      Maybe, but I doubt it's possible.
                      1. +6
                        7 July 2024 20: 14
                        but I doubt that this is possible.

                        What's impossible about this?
                        Construction of 2000 houses (500 sq.m.) and 150 processing plants each for a million young families in 2 villages will cost the state $100 billion. Do you think this is an unaffordable sum?
                        And this alone is guaranteed to produce from 3 to 4 million children in the next 10 years. Not a global solution? Maybe, but definitely a positive change. How many young families will want to move to the countryside if they are provided with free quality housing and decently paid work? It seems that quite a lot, up to 70-80% will agree. And it's real, but who needs it...
                      2. +3
                        7 July 2024 20: 45
                        Quote: Doccor18
                        Construction of 2000 houses (500 sq.m.) and 150 processing plants each for a million young families in 2 villages will cost the state $100 billion. Do you think this is an unaffordable sum?

                        In addition to houses, infrastructure is also needed. I live in St. Petersburg. Within a 15-20 minute walk I have a clinic, a paid clinic, a dental clinic, Lenta, Pyaterochka, Magnit stores, hardware and furniture stores, a gym (that’s briefly). I can get to work by public transport without any problems. How can all this be ensured in 2000 villages?
                      3. +5
                        7 July 2024 22: 26
                        But we need to strain and provide, otherwise we will be ruined. But the authorities don’t strain themselves at all, they live up there for pleasure and don’t give a damn about the problems in the country. But people don’t understand this, people are fooled by TV.
                      4. +3
                        7 July 2024 22: 59
                        In addition to houses, infrastructure is also needed.

                        Necessarily. But for a country of 17 million square meters. km. infrastructure is life itself. If it doesn’t exist, the state won’t exist either. Roads (highways and railways) must penetrate it lengthwise and crosswise. It is impossible otherwise, otherwise there will be loss of territory and death.
                        Within a 15-20 minute walk I have a clinic, a paid clinic, a dental clinic...

                        And there should be (in each) a medical outpatient clinic, and in the nearest town a multidisciplinary hospital. All the A's/magnets will catch up on their own... Another thing is that someone has to work in these outpatient clinics and hospitals, but even "valuable specialists" from neighboring countries don't want to pay for pennies...
                      5. +8
                        8 July 2024 06: 07
                        It’s just that St. Petersburg, together with the non-rubber industry, needs to curb its appetites a little, and allocate less money, and leave taxes where they are earned in the regions, and you’ll see that everyone will come from the snickering cities.
                      6. +2
                        9 July 2024 08: 49
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        . I can get to work by public transport without any problems. How can all this be ensured in 2000 villages?

                        So the village has its own jobs, your interlocutor initially wrote about them. Or give you free housing in a rural area, and provide transport from there to work in the city? In addition, there is the possibility of remote work for intellectual work trainees. But the state of victorious Liberalism is doing the radically opposite - driving the indigenous population into several megacities (so that everyone with one bomb and immediately to “Paradise”), and bringing “valuable” and “irreplaceable” employees without education or knowledge to the landscape (and to megacities too) of the Russian language and representing “the most peaceful religion in the world”, who are sure that “Allah built Moscow and everything that exists in Russia” is for them, you just need to come and take it.
                        And as long as this is the state policy of the Khusnulins, Chubais and other Grefs, the Russian people will die out by refusing to reproduce in captivity, and the “valuable specialists” brought to the villages and villages will develop the “promised to them by Allah/Soros” territory.
                      7. +1
                        9 July 2024 19: 05
                        Quote: bayard
                        So the village has its own jobs, your interlocutor initially wrote about them.

                        I am a design engineer, I work in a design bureau that designs warships. Do you think my place of work can be moved to the village? And there are many such examples.
                      8. +2
                        9 July 2024 22: 53
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        I am a design engineer, I work in a design bureau that designs warships. Do you think my place of work can be moved to the village?

                        If we are talking about a cottage community in the suburbs, then why not? But to be honest, I would generally try to move such design bureaus outside the city limits (not far, but in nature, and so that nothing distracts from work. And a comfortable village at a research institute. The city is nearby, but with its noise it does not distract from work. B The USSR had the experience of creating scientific towns and entire science cities, in my opinion it was a very successful experience, which is not in demand now.
                        For work (including creative work), for everyday life, and for cultural development, it is necessary to create an appropriate living environment, because Man is a social being. But the environment must contribute as much as possible to the creative development of the individual. With the money that is now being poured into the construction of human settlements with almost no social environment (hospitals, schools, kindergartens, etc.), it is possible to build suburban cottage villages, move scientific institutions and production out of cities onto the landscape, and create a social environment around them. Escape from overcrowding, resettlement in cities with a population of over a million. We have a huge uninhabited/undeveloped territory that needs to be developed and settled. And we are selling land for development!!! In a country with gigantic empty territories, land is FOR SALE!! And the prices are so high that it’s just shock and awe.
                        Why is that ?
                        The enemies have seized our land and are harassing the indigenous population, creating unbearable living conditions in the countryside and small towns/towns, concentrating the people into a limited number of people - so that with one blow, probably all of them at once. .. But a person has and remains free Will and the right to choose from birth. And over time, maybe Igo... will change.
                      9. 0
                        9 July 2024 23: 05
                        Quote: bayard
                        The USSR had experience in creating scientific towns and entire science cities
                        It’s just that these were very specific places, but nevertheless people still tried to move to big cities.
                        Quote: bayard
                        and create a social environment around
                        But everything again comes down to concentration. For example, there were so many groans about the fact that thousands of hospitals were closed in our country. It seems to sound bad, but there is a nuance - these hospitals, in fact, were barely able to provide first aid stations. Well, it’s simply impossible to create a real hospital in every village; there won’t be enough staff, but by consolidating them it was possible to create, albeit not in every village, full-fledged institutions.
                      10. +2
                        9 July 2024 23: 21
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        It’s just that these were very specific places, but nevertheless people still tried to move to big cities.

                        It was different, and at different times. Besides, everyone makes their own choice. And such a choice is often determined by Education. But the environment also educates. And the street. And if the environment and the street have instilled in people a reluctance to reproduce and live exclusively for themselves, the human settlement will be the most desirable environment for them. And since the existing state is pursuing exactly THIS policy, it means that this is precisely what it is interested in - depopulation and population replacement.
                        But the choice is still made by the Man himself.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Well, it’s simply impossible to create a real hospital in every village, there won’t be enough staff

                        But could the paramedic stations be left?
                        Or have you never heard of such a concept as a “country doctor”?
                        Women now travel almost hundreds of kilometers to give birth, because there are not even paramedics left in small settlements.
                        Is this deliberate mockery and fanaticism?
                        No - this is a conscious and purposeful State Policy. hi
                      11. +1
                        10 July 2024 19: 08
                        Quote: bayard
                        But could the paramedic stations be left?

                        If there are barely 10 people in the village, then no.
                        Quote: bayard
                        Besides, everyone makes their own choice. And such a choice is often determined by Education.
                        And this too, but whatever one may say, the majority will strive for comfort.
                      12. +1
                        11 July 2024 00: 53
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        If there are barely 10 people in the village, then no.

                        We are talking about the State Program for the Settlement of Megacities and encouraging young families to live in their own home on their own land (allocated by the State, and not sold by swindlers at a hefty price tag). With the allocation of a State Loan (not a bank COMMERCIAL loan) with repayment of it (or part of it) at the expense of “maternity capital”, or better yet, simply writing off a certain percentage of this loan after the birth of each subsequent child. This practice has already been tested and produced results.
                        There is too much LAND in Russia with a very limited number of indigenous population, so SELLING land, especially at exorbitant prices, is a CRIME. And we are talking about a comprehensive solution to this issue, with a scientific approach and economic and social security. This could be the development of urban suburbs in the form of “cottage villages” (according to the General Plan with the laying of all infrastructure and social services), the removal of a number of enterprises/productions from large cities to the landscape with the laying of settlements based on individual housing construction, and only administrative and industrial ones can be multi-storey buildings and dormitories/small families for business travelers and as temporary housing for new employees. .
                        The same should stimulate the development of agriculture on underdeveloped lands, according to the program for the revival of abandoned villages. Not for retired survivors (“10 people”), but for normal rural settlements there should be at least paramedic stations, and in larger villages there should be a rural/zemstvo doctor. . Believe me, if Golikova stops stealing billions from the budget, there will be enough money for everything. But a swindler will always acquit a thief... for a share of what was stolen or even out of a sense of class solidarity. Therefore, with THESE, nothing similar and simply positive... will happen. They will steal, mess around and EAT at thirty-three throats. . . And build human settlements because this is a super-profitable fraudulent and corruption scheme.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        most will strive for comfort.

                        So people understand comfort differently.. For some, give McDonald's, drugs and gay parties, and for others - your own house, large and spacious, your own yard with a lawn and a playground, a garage for two cars, solar panels on the roof, your own water from a well. A house where you can comfortably receive guests, barbecue, where there is no city noise and smog, where there is clean food, where children have something to do and everyone has their own room - they can make something, do hobbies, where there is fishing nearby, a forest where there are berries There are mushrooms, and there is a garden next to the house.
                        It’s not like running around the villages in a panic like in Khovanshchina, but when people themselves create their own habitat, and the state helps them. And so you can live not only in distant villages, but also in city suburbs, but when every family has a Home. Spacious enough to have as many children as you like. And not to huddle in a two-room apartment with four children (I knew such families, and their children grew up wonderful) And there will be no bad influence of the street on children, with migrants and young criminals. And in a large family, children grow up friendly, united, with the habit of helping each other out, the elders protecting the younger ones... in such families, children grow up completely different.
                        But first, you decide for yourself whether you want checkers or go.
                      13. +1
                        11 July 2024 06: 54
                        Ahh... This doesn't concern you. And let the rest go. Because you came up with it for them.
                      14. 0
                        11 July 2024 10: 40
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        Ahh... This doesn't concern you.

                        Well, if you keep up the conversation, it means something is interesting. And I’m definitely not advocating for everyone to follow this, it’s not for everyone - living in your own home is always more trouble, even if there’s no housekeeping and there’s enough money.
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        And let the rest go. Because you came up with it for them.

                        Well, for some reason, people who have earned/have money still strive to have their own home. Even if there is an apartment in the city. At the turn of the 90s and 00s, I persuaded my parents to move to my house in the suburbs, and they furnished everything there. But they resisted, they resisted for a long time. But when they moved and settled down fellow How grateful they were. After all, they lived at the dacha all summer before (from spring to autumn), but... the dacha is not a home and does not have very many amenities, and it is farther from civilization, and they had to constantly wander around in the apartment-dacha-garage triangle. And here - everything in one bottle. I went out in the morning, watered the garden (we did automatic watering, and then drip watering, although my father also likes to use a hose), and did some chores in the yard. A bathhouse, a summer kitchen for cooking, a separate poultry yard for their eggs, a neighbor bringing milk, the whole yard is paved with paving stones - your own kingdom-state. My sister was getting married, and she also decided - just her own home. So, in general, they bought it within the city limits, rebuilt everything, raised children, and had grandchildren. Well, what kind of apartment in a residential area can this be compared to?
                        Or back in the mid/second half of the 90s, a friend was selling a dacha in the Moscow region. He and his wife went on a business trip to Germany, and asked me to live with my son, but also to talk to clients if they came up. A young (but not too young) guy arrives and looks - BEAUTY. The dacha is in a village with 10-15 yards, next to a forest, a pond, on the other side of the grass field there is a stud farm with an equestrian school, you can go horseback riding. Farada's (theater and film artist) summer house is there; he lived there after the accident. I ask, “Do you want to go fishing this weekend and get some fresh air?” . “No,” he says, “my wife is about to give birth, her first child. I want him to grow up in an ecologically clean environment while he’s little. We’ll live here.” . And to work - to Moscow by car, the work schedule allows.
                        I don’t know a single person who would trade life in his house for an apartment. Unless young people flee to the city out of need. So I’m writing about the middle class, and not about forced slaves for a rogue employer.
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        We must not forget that we have capitalism.

                        It was he who led us all into a demographic crisis, rampant ethnic crime and internecine war. And even with its current flow. We need to return to Normal Human Society. To the Society of Equal Opportunities and General Social Equality. Not into a parody of the Khrushchev model, but into the society that we had before this trick. When production cooperatives (not state-owned enterprises) produced televisions, radio equipment, sewed beautiful and varied clothes and very high-quality shoes, produced beautiful and durable furniture, children's toys (100% of all toy production in the USSR), when there were mainly cooperative cafes and restaurants , hairdressers and ateliers, and almost the entire service sector. When our world-famous helicopter design bureaus Mil and Kamov were... design cooperatives under government contract. And collective farms were genuine agricultural cooperatives. And all this under the auspices and with full state support, supervision and regulation of the Soviet State. When miners and metallurgists could buy themselves a new Moskvich or Pobeda car for one month’s salary (especially if with a bonus). Do you know that Moskvich once became the World Car of the Year? They even wanted to buy it in the USA; it was considered much better and more prestigious than the Volkswagen Beetle. Yes, and "Volga-21" was a bestseller at one time... And then Khrushch came, cut the Stalinist tariff schedules, destroyed the State Planning Committee, abolished the Soviet Government and... introduced "direct party control" of the National Economy. And he immediately made Soviet people from the predominantly middle class... poor. The statistics were immediately classified, because during his reign there was a clear collapse of the Economy. Some industries have reduced production not just by tens of percent, but by several times! . One of my acquaintances then worked in the State Planning Committee, immediately after graduation he ended up with the “Stalinist bison of the State Planning Committee,” and before his eyes this perfection was broken by Khrushchev’s game.
                        So I am not for “war Communism”, but for a return to the Human Type Society. In which there is a place for personal/private initiative, and wealth, and prosperity, but not to the detriment of the State, Society and neighbors. And if, faced with the threat of the very existence of Russia as a State and a People, we do not return to a Society of the Human Type (without “isms”), very dubious and bleak prospects await us. But we have positive experience in building such a State and Society.
                      15. +2
                        11 July 2024 11: 51
                        "Victory" for one salary??? Come on....
                        I lived in the USSR. 23 years old. I don’t remember such happiness. Apparently, in Siberia, only drunks and slackers lived and could not earn a normal life.
                      16. 0
                        11 July 2024 20: 11
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        "Victory" for one salary???

                        Yes, but this is the 50s of the last century. And these are people of certain professions, the highest paid then - miners, metallurgists (hot grid), scientists (professors, academicians), outstanding artists with degrees. Party functionaries received significantly less than miners. My father is a miner with 35 years of experience, and my grandfather (father’s father), having won and returned home to the mine, was recruited, where in 1953 he died underground, having managed to give birth to six children with his grandmother. So I know what I'm talking about.
                        I also had one acquaintance who, in early childhood, saw exactly those times when “Victory” was for one salary. Moreover, it was he who told me how his father, before the New Year, came home with his salary and... his 13th salary, laid out bundles of money on the table (and the bills were large back then), divided them into two piles and said: “Here are the These are the ones we have to live with for the next month, but now you and I will go pick out a car. And then my friend was 8 years old, they lived as expected in Donetsk, and they went to a car dealership where there were a number of cars. the curtain (separating part of the salon) ZiS saw, his eyes wide with such beauty, “Dad, look, this is what we need!” - he shouted to the whole salon. And this was brought to someone on special order. “No,” the father answered, “We have this one.” there’s not enough money, we’ll take this one,” ... it was on that beige “Victory” that they returned home. His father was an ordinary miner. But he and his older brother later both became generals. Not ordinary ones. So there is I have evidence from eyewitnesses of those times.
                        Why didn't everyone ride in cars?
                        Post-war devastation, many people built houses for themselves and started farming. Yes, they simply took their souls away after the hard times of the war. Families are large. My grandfather didn’t even have time to rebuild - he died in a mine under a collapsed, steeply falling lava, and orphaned six children.
                        And when the tariff scales were changed under Khrushchev, such opportunities no longer existed. Especially after the monetary reform, which improved the standard of living. People did not live humanly for long - Khrushch almost threw them into poverty. That is why the uprising happened in Novocherkassk.
                      17. +1
                        11 July 2024 06: 53
                        We must not forget that we have capitalism. And if there is only one enterprise in the village, then the owners will keep the wages there at a meager minimum. So that there would be no money even to leave from there. And when everyone leaves the village, they will hire valuable specialists in Tajikistan.
                        Dreamers are naive. Take it and go to the village yourself.
                        Manilovism.
                      18. 0
                        11 July 2024 10: 53
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        Dreamers are naive. Take it and go to the village yourself.

                        I now live almost in the center of Donetsk, I’m not allowed yet.
                      19. +1
                        9 July 2024 00: 46
                        Quote: Doccor18
                        How many young families will want to move to the countryside if they are provided with free quality housing and decently paid work? It seems that quite a lot, up to 70-80% will agree. And it's real, but who needs it...
                        -
                        no.
                        first, the issue of infrastructure and everyday life will arise. And this will go into the cost of the processed product
                        And then the question arises with normally paid work.
                        you waved generously
                        Quote: Doccor18
                        2 processing plants each
                        -processing what exactly?
                        Right now, agricultural workers at such enterprises pay 30-40 for work from dusk to dawn. Moreover, for the most part, these are gasters, because Russians do not agree to such a salary.
                        Let’s say they raised it to a conditional 50-60 in an 000-hour day. This will automatically increase the price of the product for the consumer. Are you ready for a package of milk to rise in price by 8-1,5 times?

                        so your idea is beautiful, but not real
                      20. +2
                        9 July 2024 08: 53
                        Quote: your1970
                        .Are you ready for a carton of milk to rise in price by 1,5-2 times?

                        Is this really milk?
                        Or did Volodin milk the palm tree?
                      21. 0
                        9 July 2024 09: 19
                        Is this really milk?
                        Or did Volodin milk the palm tree?
                        Well, it wasn’t Volodka who started milking the palm tree, but Nikitos Khrushch. And everyone who served in the SA ate combi fat from that same palm tree. Made according to GOST from palm trees.

                        The question was about recycling in a small village - proposed Dossorom18.
                        Based on his proposal, can you say something?
                      22. 0
                        9 July 2024 11: 38
                        Quote: your1970
                        Based on his proposal, can you say something?

                        Yes please . If we are talking about processing agricultural products, then they need to be processed and packaged locally and ready-made products in retail chains and stores. But in the villages and not only agricultural production can be carried out, industrial production can also be brought onto the landscape, and with them - villages. Get away from crowded living in big cities. But this should be precisely a state policy favorable to the People, and not a juice squeeze out of them on a state scale. Under the current government, this is hardly possible; there are only “Jolly Predators” with paranoid brains. With rare exceptions of course.
                        But my colleague’s proposal is certainly correct and desirable, but alas, it is unlikely to be implemented. Not with these.
                        Quote: your1970
                        everyone who served in the SA ate combi fat from that same palm tree.

                        Actually from petroleum products. Not a joke by the way.
                      23. +1
                        9 July 2024 13: 55
                        Quote: bayard
                        But my colleague’s proposal is certainly correct and desirable, but alas, it is unlikely to be implemented. Not with these.
                        - that is, only the government prevents the people from rushing to hell in droves and immediately starting to multiply?
                        Let me remind you that already in the late 1970s the birth rate began to decline in the USSR.....

                        Quote: bayard
                        Actually from petroleum products. Not a joke by the way.
                        - well, at least you don’t deny the palm tree. Already good....
                      24. 0
                        9 July 2024 14: 46
                        Quote: your1970
                        - well, at least you don’t deny the palm tree. Already good....

                        laughing I preach it.
                        Quote: your1970
                        - that is, only the government prevents the people from rushing to hell in droves and immediately starting to multiply?

                        What the hell?? In your own separate comfortable house (it will be cheaper than a city apartment), on your own land (even plant a garden, even a lawn with a playground, even start a farm or some kind of production), with your beloved wife, and even if you find a job fellow - Yes, it’s expensive to be fruitful/multiply.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Let me remind you that already in the late 1970s the birth rate began to decline in the USSR.....

                        Exactly then they began to build Khrushchev houses en masse (9 square meters per person), they revised the Stalinist Tariff Schedule (cutting salaries often by several times), closed/taken away all the people's enterprises and cooperatives and sucked the youth out of the villages, from where they continued to suck without giving anything in return (about the central black earth region). After such a Khrushchev-era breakdown, what kind of birth rate could we talk about?
                        But under Comrade Stalin, they gave birth. And how! What a post-war Baby Boom it was! And despite the terrible wars and huge losses, the population of the USSR (and the RSFSR) grew at a very high rate.
                        Why
                        Because the Soviet Government was interested in this and cultivated/supported it in every possible way, because land plots were allocated free of charge for individual construction, state loans were allocated for the construction of individual housing, building materials were issued at state (very low) prices. The power was the People's.
                        And ownership of the means of production, land and water, and resources - everything was public. And the State was in the service of the People. This is how it was stated in the Constitution.
                        In the USA, by the way, that’s basically how they try to live - in their own separate house. Stalin also aspired. And he began to implement. Khrushchev canceled everything and began to build Khrushchev houses of 9 square meters. per person In such conditions, the People did not reproduce.
                      25. +2
                        9 July 2024 15: 38
                        In your own separate comfortable house (it will be cheaper than a city apartment), on your own land (at least plant a garden, at least a lawn with a playground, at least start a farm or some kind of production), with your beloved wife, and even if you find a job with a fellow - yes, it’s expensive to be fruitful \multiply although right now I’ll give you the address - where you can buy a house with gas and water and asphalt to the village for 100-150.
                        An ecologically clean place and all other delights.
                        A paradise of land of 32 hectares costs up to 100 - a crazy maximum.
                        And there is even work...
                        But no one wants to reproduce...
                        And in 5 years all this will be available for free.
                        But you won't go...

                        But under Comrade Stalin, they gave birth. And how! What a post-war Baby Boom it was! And despite the terrible wars and huge losses, the population of the USSR (and the RSFSR) grew at a very high rate.
                        Just NOT because
                        land plots were allocated free of charge for individual construction, government loans were allocated for the construction of individual housing, building materials were issued at government (very low) prices - somewhere maybe it was like that.
                        But for example, my grandparents were able to glaze the windows with a second frame only in the early 1960s; there was no glass at all.
                        And the father-in-law’s family - 11 children, parents and grandmother lived in a house of 68 square meters. belay

                        Khrushchev canceled everything
                        Which of these has been canceled by NAH?
                        The power was the People's.
                        And ownership of the means of production, land and water, and resources - everything was public. And the State was in the service of the People.

                        What did he cancel from this?
                        Or did the damned capitalists come and take everything away in the 1960s?
                        And yes, if the state depends so much on the leader, it will die 300%. Simply because the leader is mortal and gray individuals will come after. Historical experience from Alexander the Great to modern times confirms
                      26. 0
                        9 July 2024 22: 48
                        Quote: your1970
                        although right now I’ll give you the address - where you can buy a house with gas and water and asphalt to the village for 100-150.
                        An ecologically clean place and all other delights.

                        I also know some places, although gas is not everywhere, but in addition to housing, they also need employment.
                        Quote: your1970
                        But you won't go...

                        I definitely don’t, although I won’t swear by it.
                        We are talking about a state program for people to live on THEIR land, in their own home, with sufficient comfort. Because no matter how you stimulate people, no matter how you load them with mortgages and don’t lure them with maternity capital, they won’t give birth to more than 1-2 children. This is impossible in the city, except for a certain number of enthusiasts (I know such people, and cases are not isolated, but more than 4 children are still not solved).
                        But a certain trend has started - city dwellers (young) are selling an apartment in the city, building themselves a house (or buying) in the countryside and living for pleasure. And they even begin to reproduce.
                        But if anyone tries to start a farm of some kind - poultry, or even piglets... some strange people from mysterious government institutions appear from the underworld, impose a tax, and now they simply kill all the living creatures and burn them for show... supposedly they are fighting some kind of infection . It’s ridiculous - you can no longer keep poultry under pain of huge fines - the CONCERN of the state.
                        That’s why I’m writing that this is not about our reality, not about our government, but as a way to resolve the issue if something changes in power. But so far there are no people in these structures. request Some "reptilians".
                      27. +2
                        10 July 2024 00: 21
                        It’s ridiculous - you can no longer keep poultry under pain of huge fines - the CONCERN of the state. since you are far from this issue - lecture.
                        Land in populated areas in the Russian Federation can be provided for both individual housing construction and private plots. Individual housing construction is more often in cities, private household plots can be everywhere. It all depends on the Development and Land Use Rules.
                        In principle, it is impossible to keep livestock and poultry on individual housing construction lands; sanitary standards are impossible to meet in terms of distances, even in theory.
                        On the lands of private household plots, it is possible, since the yards are larger and this is a typical village.
                        And then the respectable neighbors begin to write slander to all authorities, including the ECHR (and this is not a joke) - that it smells, the manure is lying there, and so on.
                        Sometimes this is confirmed, sometimes not.
                        Federal Law 3 has been in effect for 248 years now (both individuals and individual entrepreneurs and legal entities) - which does not allow inspections to be carried out without the consent of the REGIONAL prosecutor's office and inclusion in the ERKNM.
                        The number of inspections across the country has decreased by 60 times.
                        Without verification, there is no fine (amendments have been made to the Code of Administrative Offenses).
                        In your specific case, is there no check against you in the ERKNM? The inspectors go through the forest - it is possible even with the help of the assholes - if they came without a local police officer. It’s not worth it, but the technology is the same.
                        After which the prosecutor's office fines the inspector belay from 3 to 5 for incorrect information and much harsher for verification without approval or ERKNM.
                        Practice - 100% punishment of the inspector for incorrect information. By default, I haven’t heard, but everything is too transparent there for such weirdos to be found (I repeat, you can drive assholes if there is no check in the ERKNM).
                        There are options for examinations, but they are without interaction with you and without penalties.
                        Now there is another problem - if someone has occupied your land, the inspector cannot even issue an order - there are no checks....
                        Only to court...
                      28. 0
                        10 July 2024 00: 35
                        Quote: your1970
                        In your specific case

                        laughing I don’t have such a case, I live in Donetsk. But lately there have been too many reports that some strange people have begun to travel around villages and other rural households, exterminating poultry on behalf of the state and imposing fines on its owners. From the press, the Internet, they say some kind of law has come out - either they are fighting some kind of “epidemics”, or simply a ban on growing your own food. But this is definitely not my case.
                        But poultry meat in stores has risen in price by 3 times compared to the pre-war (before the Northern Military District, we had a war for a long time, but prices were low) prices.
                        And as for kicking people away, I completely agree. . . Many people should be driven away.
                      29. +1
                        11 July 2024 11: 47
                        I live in my own house. And I don’t need neighbors with chickens and pigs. I don't even want to hear about it.
                        For some reason there is some enthusiasm about this. Is there happiness in smoking?
                      30. -1
                        11 July 2024 20: 52
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        I live in my own house. And I don’t need neighbors with chickens and pigs.

                        Well, this is not for everybody. I wouldn’t have any livestock either, but chickens aren’t much of a hassle, and there’s also a lot of noise/stench. My father has up to a dozen chickens - just for fresh eggs, but they have their own yard and don’t bother anyone.
                        But someone lives from their cattle. If you just want to live comfortably in the landscape, you don’t have to keep anything at all (that’s what they mostly do) - they made a lawn, planted trees, landscape design, no vegetable gardens. Everything depends on wealth and mentality.
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        I live in my own house.

                        So why do you resist the idea and others to live like this? So that young families can live in their own homes? When my nephew got married, he bought himself a house on the edge of the forest, near the forester’s house - so that children would be born and grow up in harmony and beauty. For I myself grew up in an estate house, although it was within the city limits, but it was not an apartment at all. In people's communities, the mentality is broken and deformed. The owner lives in the house, an independent person, proactive, ambitious, with an independent opinion, with a large number of skills. Such people are of much greater value to the State.
                        But you clearly have some kind of contempt for the people of Labor. To poor people. Is this a class thing for you? Or ethnic? Or everything in one bottle? Isn’t it too early to write yourself down as a “gentleman”? Life is changeable. Sometimes the loop of Fate closes in such a way that “from rags to riches - back to rags again.” “Prince” and dirt don’t rhyme for nothing. And if power and wealth are perceived not as an opportunity to best serve the Fatherland and the People, but as a privilege... different things happen.
                      31. +1
                        12 July 2024 07: 25
                        It all depends on the intended purpose of the land. And if I have a plot of individual housing construction, I don’t want anyone to smell like a pigsty under my nose.
                      32. 0
                        12 July 2024 15: 47
                        If you came to a village, bought land near a pigsty and are outraged by its smells, this is stupid. And even provocative.
                        And if you bought a plot of land in a cottage community, then you can rest assured that no swineherd next to you will buy land for that kind of money for the sake of a pigsty.
                      33. 0
                        12 July 2024 19: 49
                        Study the laws. There is a purpose for the land. Everything is written there. For each type of plot.
                      34. +1
                        11 July 2024 11: 44
                        Believe it or not, with the growth of health care, everyone stops giving birth altogether. and everywhere. And Stalin has nothing to do with it. And in the USSR, population growth in the Slavic republics was negative. With the exception of the short period of Gorbachev's Prohibition by a very small amount. The entire increase came from Central Asia and the Caucasus.
                      35. 0
                        11 July 2024 12: 47
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        Believe it or not, with the growth of health care, everyone stops giving birth altogether.

                        Not true . In the USSR before Khrushchev, the birth rate was very high. My mother's family had 5 children, my father's family had 6. The birth rate began to decline from the second half of the 60s as a result of the reforms of this ghoul. And since the 70s, families of the Russian population usually have 2 children (2,2). And yet the population grew.
                        And if we assume that
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        With the growth of health care, everyone stops giving birth altogether. and everywhere.

                        then in the 90s we should have had a simply amazing birth boom - the population became impoverished, and medical care failed to yawning depths.
                        But for some reason, exactly the opposite happened.
                        But when maternity capital was introduced, a baby boom began in the first years. I don’t know the statistics in the Russian Federation, but this is exactly what happened in a used car. The girls began to give birth. There was just help from the state.
                        In fact, everything is simple - in captivity, people free from birth do not want to reproduce. And since 1992 we have been under occupation. But Khrushchev began to create the conditions for this. Especially with its norm of “9 sq. m. of housing per person” - this is the norm for prisoners in European prisons, if anything.
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        And in the USSR, population growth in the Slavic republics was negative.

                        In the late USSR, the size of the Slavic population remained approximately the same. And the reasons were simple - cramped living conditions with no prospect of resolving this issue and very low wages, which is why women also had to work to support their families. Men could not support their families on their own, and this level was declaratively established under Khrushchev and did not change after that.
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        The entire increase came from Central Asia and the Caucasus.

                        There were always a lot of births there because in the Caucasus a relatively high standard of living was artificially created due to the RSFSR + traditions and the lack of contraception.
                        In Central Asia, the standard of living was low, but warm and, again, traditions and the lack of contraception. And in these republics they strictly monitored the morals of girls before marriage. And in the Slavic republics, the “Sexual Revolution” was launched in the mid-80s.
                        If we now ban abortion and contraception in Russia, oblige gynecologists to dissuade girls from killing the fetus in the womb and convince them to GIVE BIRTH to new citizens for the country, transferring them to the care of the state (with subsequent adoption into Russian families), then in a year the birth rate would increase by about 3 times Minimum.
                        And of course, ban the promotion of contraception and limit their sale.
                      36. 0
                        11 July 2024 18: 01
                        Quote: bayard
                        o Khrushchev the birth rate was very high

                        I myself also have a bad opinion of Khrushchev. But in this case, IMHO, it had little effect. The main reason for the decline in fertility is urbanization. Grandfathers and grandmothers in the villages had 10 or more children. The next generation, which moved to the city by inertia, now gives birth to 5 children. And then those who consider themselves urban have 2-3 children. Your examples confirm this.

                        Quote: bayard
                        the population became impoverished and medical services failed

                        Not really. City residents remained city wage earners. And they didn’t turn into conditional blacks living on benefits, incl. and children's.

                        Quote: bayard
                        The girls began to give birth. There was just help from the state

                        And what kind of benefits are there in the Emirates, for example! Our mate. capital is pennies in comparison, but local Arabs refuse to give birth, unlike exactly the same Arabs from poor countries. The reason is simple, rich people want and can live for themselves, and children have a lot of worries. sad

                        In general, the following main factors of fertility are now identified:
                        1) Live in a rural area, where children actively help their parents with housework
                        2) Low income
                        3) Low level of education, especially among women
                        4) High religiosity (religion itself is not important)

                        The rest either has little effect or is completely useless angry
                      37. 0
                        11 July 2024 21: 26
                        Quote: Netl
                        The main reason for the decline in fertility is urbanization.

                        That's what I'm talking about - small apartments, low income, a corrupting environment, the bad influence of the street on children, hired labor and lack of other income. But it was the state that created these conditions since the time of Khrushchev. In the post-war years, Stalin relied precisely on the development of individual house-building. Including to stimulate the birth rate. Therefore, plots were allocated for individual housing in the city suburbs, plots of land were cut off for rural residents (under Khrushchev, fruit trees were taken back and taxed, so much so that people began to cut down the trees themselves).
                        Quote: Netl
                        The following main factors of fertility are now identified:
                        1) Live in a rural area, where children actively help their parents with housework
                        2) Low income
                        3) Low level of education, especially among women
                        4) High religiosity (religion itself is not important)

                        Summarizing to bring out the essence:
                        - Creation of conditions (private/individual households with the possibility of expanding them as the family grows),
                        - A sufficient level of income for the head of the family so that he can support a growing family without forcing his wife to go into employment (work) or into business, to the detriment of the family,
                        - Education of the Society (the entire Society) in the spirit of traditional human values, a strong large healthy family, awareness of the Happiness of motherhood and that the Future is in children.
                        In fact, it is not difficult, but the main thing is Education. From personal experience I will say that the girls I raised are all mothers of many children.
                      38. 0
                        11 July 2024 23: 03
                        That's what I'm talking about - small apartments, low income

                        But the trick is that a consistently low income is a factor that, with rare exceptions, increases the birth rate. This is clearly visible in countries with the same people, but different incomes. By the way, there is an indecent Russian peasant proverb on the topic: “The rich build, but the poor dig in 3.14.” Yes

                        And the construction of Khrushchev-era apartments affected not those who were choosing between Khrushchev-era buildings and their own home, but those who already lived in the city, but in a communal apartment or barracks with one toilet per floor.

                        I generally agree about the rest of Khrushev’s outrages, but this does not apply to the birth rate. Ideally, it would be good if Stalin abolished collectivization, returned Lenin’s NEP in full and, conversely, abolished the idiotic norms of the Leninist Constitution about a free exit from the USSR. Stalin had enough power, those who came after him had incomparably less.

                        in fact, it’s not difficult, but the main thing is education

                        I agree that the education of girls, especially, is extremely important, but I do not agree that it is not difficult. You personally succeeded, but in most cases, modern society and parents, especially in rich countries, raise selfish consumers who want to live only for their own pleasure. And children are clearly an extra element here. sad
                      39. 0
                        12 July 2024 00: 40
                        Quote: Netl
                        The trick is that a consistently low income is a factor that, with rare exceptions, increases the birth rate.

                        No, the birth rate is influenced primarily by traditional upbringing, living conditions (including climate - in warm countries the birth rate is higher) and the cult of motherhood in society. Otherwise, after the collapse of the USSR, we would have simply had a baby boom - everyone would have become poor. But instead, society plunged into depression and rampant, irresponsible debauchery.
                        Today, one ban and jurisdiction of abortion (for all participants in infanticide in the womb) would ensure a 3-fold increase in the birth rate - at least. And if contraception is limited or prohibited, then even more. In those states of the South where the birth rate is traditionally high, the very thought of abortion is unacceptable.
                        So it’s all about government policy and the general atmosphere/mores in Society and the education of youth. First of all, girls.
                        And believe me, it’s really not difficult if you know how to do it correctly. After all, I have quite a lot of experience in raising girls in this way - these are both the children of friends and employees. I have the highest birth rate among employees in my industry... it was before the coup and the war.
                        Do you know how you achieved this? (didn’t intentionally try)
                        He simply banned abortions in his business. He said that child killers would not work for me. He said it with humor, but firmly. And I explained to them the nature of what, thanks to propaganda, they considered normal.. For me, pregnancy was welcomed and even stimulated by incentives - payment of incentives when going on maternity leave. And my girls were good, cheerful, beautiful - I selected them myself. And the atmosphere itself was created conducive to... Thus, motivated girls become pure gold...
                        “But what about staff turnover, you need to train new ones again,” they told me.
                        - You don’t understand anything. All my girls going on maternity leave are my personnel reserve. In a couple of years, when the child can be left with the grandmothers, they will come back. And by that time someone will be going on maternity leave again.
                        They sometimes begged to go to work from maternity leave when their grandmothers were ready to sit down. “I’m going so crazy at home, I’m going wild, can I go out for a week?” . Well, how can you refuse?
                        And how did their husbands and boyfriends like this way of raising their girls... So there is nothing complicated about it - you need to know the ropes. And love children.
                      40. 0
                        12 July 2024 10: 10
                        Quote: bayard
                        No, the birth rate is influenced primarily by traditional upbringing

                        Why not? Several factors influence, including upbringing, and not in the form of learned patterns of behavior, but a sincere belief in the necessity of children and the future for them. This is true, but other factors are also important.

                        The low income factor is simply obvious. I already wrote above that compare countries with the same Arabs (poor and rich), with the same blacks, etc. Everywhere in the world, the birth rate of the poor will be higher. And the fall in income during the destruction of the USSR was not long enough to affect people’s lifestyles. And not so obvious, since recent years have already been scarce and people have adapted.

                        Quote: bayard
                        the ban and jurisdiction of abortion would ensure a 3-fold increase in the birth rate - at least

                        Unfortunately, the numbers say otherwise. sad
                        The number of abortions is falling even without a ban, here is an article on the topic: DOI: 10.21045/2071-5021-2024-70-1-10 (In Rus).
                        According to data for 2022, there are about 400 legal abortions in the Russian Federation.
                        The number of births is 1,3 million. That is, even if all legal transactions ended in successful births, the increase would be only about 30%.

                        But this is impossible. Because there are abortions for medical reasons. In other cases, women who do not want to give birth would have an illegal abortion or would have it in countries where there is no ban. And taking into account all this, growth would become generally miniscule. And subsequently, there may even be a negative effect due to complications from illegal abortions.


                        Quote: bayard
                        He just banned abortions in his business.

                        It's not just that. Firstly, in our Russian Federation, abortions are performed mainly not by young, beautiful girls with good families and jobs. And the older women, tormented by life, from dysfunctional families, for whom a child will complicate an already hopeless life. And secondly, such a ban is extremely difficult to control. What prevents you from simply not upsetting your boss, knowing about his views? And if he has connections with local doctors, then can he get an abortion somewhere else?

                        Quote: bayard
                        In a couple of years, when the child can be left with the grandmothers, they will come back

                        This is not a fact; they can go on a new maternity leave without a break. And then, when you return years later, your competencies may be undermined. I personally know several cases. And not all businesses have such a safety margin.
                      41. 0
                        12 July 2024 01: 08
                        Quote: Netl
                        And the construction of Khrushchev-era apartments affected not those who were choosing between Khrushchev-era buildings and their own home, but those who already lived in the city, but in a communal apartment or barracks with one toilet per floor.

                        After the Second World War, having restored the economy in 4 post-war years, a comprehensive housing construction program was developed. And the emphasis was not on “as much cheap, low-quality housing as possible according to the lowest standards, but exactly the opposite - stimulating individual construction, for which land was allocated in entire microdistricts in the suburbs, government loans were allocated for construction, building materials were issued at government prices and part of the debt was written off at the birth of a fourth child or more. And capital multi-storey and apartment buildings were built to the highest standards of comfort and quality. Ceilings were 3,5 - 4 m high and even a little higher (I measured it myself), spacious rooms, wide corridors, huge kitchens.. And this is not to mention how the houses looked from the outside - palaces!
                        And Khrushchev ... maximum service life is 40 - 50 years. A major overhaul is required after 20-25 years with the replacement of all communications. Khrushchev was a populist and a saboteur. Instead of resolving the issue of providing housing thoroughly, of high quality and forever (private houses in individual ownership), simultaneously solving the issue of fertility and expanding housing (by adding an extension to the house) after the birth of new children, he built up the entire country with panel monsters according to the French project, which post-war France was developed for the southern regions of the country. And there it is almost subtropical. And our climate is mainly continental and sharply continental. And how our cities have become disfigured...
                      42. 0
                        12 July 2024 11: 10
                        Quote: bayard
                        a comprehensive housing construction program was developed

                        This is in theory, but in practice I can illustrate it using the example of my family. Just after the war, both of my grandfathers applied for a plot of land for individual housing construction, but they could not get it. The wife had one paternal grandmother - she didn’t give in, and the wife’s maternal grandfather and grandmother intrigued for a long time. My grandfather was a valuable specialist at that time - a good shoemaker. He threatened to leave the shoe factory and eventually got his way. He built a house and all his relatives envied him. That is, in reality, only one family out of 4 succeeded.

                        There was another factor then: Soviet propaganda strongly campaigned for collectivism. And although some people built their own house, it was considered a relic. Some people were greatly influenced by propaganda.
                        Of course, it would have been easier to build your house not in the suburbs, but on a collective farm. But there were so many other disadvantages that all the relatives were afraid of going to the collective farm like hell.

                        Quote: bayard
                        And Khrushchev ... maximum service life is 40 - 50 years

                        You are flattering them. Initially it was planned to demolish them after 25 years. But the Soviet construction industry, both under Khrushchev and after, could not cope, and they were afraid to encourage private initiative as a clear departure from socialism. request
                      43. 0
                        12 July 2024 18: 35
                        Quote: Netl
                        Just after the war, both of my grandfathers applied for a plot of land for individual housing construction, but they could not get it.

                        In what years was this? This program began to wind down (but gradually) immediately after the seizure of power by Khrushchev and the Trotskyists like him.

                        Quote: Netl
                        There was another factor then: Soviet propaganda strongly campaigned for collectivism. And although some people built their own house, it was considered a relic.

                        This heresy was again imposed by the Trotskyists of the post-Stalin period. And not at all out of love for people or loyalty to some kind of covenant. Their heirs are still building human settlements and bringing in millions of migrants a year. Exclusively out of a sense of “collectivism”, tolerance, fraternal peoplehood and other heresies of foolish people.
                        Quote: Netl
                        Of course, it would have been easier to build your house not in the suburbs, but on a collective farm.

                        Here a lot depended on the local authorities. We bought a house for our parents in an area that was allocated for individual development in the late 60s and early 70s. So the program continued to operate later, but the scale was not at all the same. You should read Stalin’s latest works on this topic, so as not to swim in the topic and distinguish between what Stalin and the Bolsheviks did for the People, with what the Trotskyists-Khrushchevites-Gorbachevites did to the People. So that the affairs of the Bolsheviks do not interfere with the machinations of the Trotskyists. And so that we understand correctly about the role of the Personality in History.
                      44. 0
                        11 July 2024 19: 28
                        Yes. Someone is to blame for all problems. But not the man himself. Stalin, Khrushchev, Batu, church schism, damned labeled and drunk Yeltsin.... And so on and so forth.
                      45. 0
                        11 July 2024 21: 39
                        What if you look deeper?
                        Who raised people in the spirit of brotherhood and mutual assistance? Who raised real heroes and patriots?
                        Who created the best Education System in the World? Which not only gave good quality knowledge, but also educated the Creator Man?
                        And who then corrupted the People with films and literature about the “joys of a little man”? The spirit of consumerism and self-deficiency? Since the time of Khrushchev?
                        And who then, having broken the Country and the People, began to cultivate all the basest and most vile things? Raising the “ideal consumer”, “prostitutes and bandits” and imposing a cult of unbridled unjust enrichment?
                        Here you will learn about the role of the individual in History, and about the role of power and the state.
                        Power is a tool of control and coercion, but everything depends on the vector of its efforts. It is she (the authorities) who determines the vector of development of Society - righteous or lawless.
                        For thirty-three years we were moved along the Unrighteous, Lawless vector into the abyss. It's time to get out of the oven.
                      46. 0
                        11 July 2024 11: 40
                        ABOUT!!! Ya-ya!! Combifat!! Purely according to GOST! The best Soviet GOST. Also vegetable lard. Also for sovcode:%№;"№amateurs.
                      47. 0
                        11 July 2024 21: 47
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        ABOUT!!! Ya-ya!! Combifat!! Purely according to GOST! The best Soviet GOST.

                        You now use it in almost all products, you don’t even need palm trees for this - petrochemicals have done their best. Yes, yes, the “miracles” of technology. Just the business of citizen Volodin.
                        And in Soviet times, kombizhir was only used in prisons and in the Army. And they invented it for the most extreme case - in case of war. But there were also abuses.
                      48. 0
                        12 July 2024 07: 30
                        Isn't a soldier a human? This compound was quietly sold in the store. And everyone used it for lack of anything else. I repeat - for lack of availability. And it was said even at school that fat hydration is great.
                        It turns out that the communist party, which cared about the creative people, poisoned them with fat.
                      49. 0
                        12 July 2024 17: 10
                        This combi-fat was invented to overcome hunger. And in case of war. For survival. Before Khrushchev.
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        It turns out that the communist party, which cared about the creative people, poisoned them with fat.

                        Have you watched the Soviet film "Chapaev"?
                        Do you remember how the peasant Chapay asked the question: “Tell me, dear man, are you for the Bolsheviks or for the communists?” But it was not an idle question, the peasant looked to the very essence and saw the differences.
                        Do you see? Do you understand? bully
                        What was the name of the Communist Party under Stalin (and Lenin)? Remember? No ?
                        - VKPb!! All-Russian (!!) Communist Party... BOLSHEVIKS (!!!).
                        Look very carefully at every word in its title.
                        Now compare with what the Trotskyists who seized power after Stalin began to call their party.
                        - CPSU?
                        A kind of castrated, non-speaking thing?
                        Just a communist party?
                        What kind of communists are these? What international? There were only FOUR of them. And the last of them - the Fourth, was created and headed by their leader, ruler and teacher - Bronstein (Trotsky).
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        It turns out that the communist party, which cared about the creative people, poisoned them with fat.

                        Maxim, the Trotskyists never cared about the people. Moreover, it was them that the People called their Enemies - Enemies of the People. It was Trotsky and his 4th International who helped Hitler and Franco win the Spanish Civil War. It was them that Franco called his “Fifth Column” during the campaign against Madrid. And it was for this help that Goebbels awarded Trotsky the “Diploma of a True Aryan”!!
                        This is not a joke, I even saw a photograph of this celebration.
                        It was Trotsky's agents in the Red Army who conducted espionage and prepared a military coup in the USSR, but were identified and liquidated. But its (agent’s) remnants continued to cause harm already during the Second World War, surrendering entire sections of the front, removing weapons from fighters and sights from artillery guns with their orders a couple of days before the start of the war, setting up entire air formations in open and dense rows at airfields, despite the order of the General Staff disperse aviation to alternate airfields and carefully camouflage it... Then almost the entire Air Force Main Command had to be shot. But not immediately - after a thorough investigation and already at the beginning of 1942.

                        And these “wonderful” Enemies of the People, having seized power after Stalin’s death and purged Stalin’s cadres in all echelons of power, began their black enemy business of transforming the USSR from a dynamically developing successful and very effective state into ... something strangely awkward, with an underdeveloped consumer sector, castrated and profaned ideology... into everything that they called Stagnation. And then they simply abolished the USSR, banned their CPSU and plunged the Country and People into feudal-slave capitalism.
                        And you wanted characters so caring about the People not to feed them with fat?
                        By the way, kombizhir appeared on sale exactly on the eve of the collapse/abolition of the USSR, when the commodity and food shortages were brought to the point of absurdity. And especially in Moscow (I lived/worked there then, I remember).
                      50. 0
                        9 July 2024 11: 24
                        First, the question will arise with infrastructure and everyday life

                        Are you talking about schools/kindergartens/recreational centers? The cost of this stuff for 2 thousand villages will cost about another $100 yards. It is more difficult to calculate with roads, because the prices are per km. Our canvases vary so much, as if some put it with the addition of Martian lithium...
                        But you need to understand that these costs are not immediate; it’s realistic to build something like this in 7-10 years; if you’re really stubborn, then at least five. This means that annually, amounts quite feasible for the budget will be spent on this project.
                        processing what exactly?

                        Enterprises in the food industry, as well as a wide range of light industry. As an example, having a huge agricultural population, there are very few domestic leather shoes in the country; everything is littered with Chinese “crafts made from dermantine.” Having fantastic reserves of wood, solid wood furniture costs as much as an airplane wing, and fabrics (in some places) “quite by chance” are more expensive than ready-made clothes. All these are challenges for domestic industry, for ensuring the domestic market, for security, which is talked about so much everywhere...
                        Are you ready for a carton of milk to rise in price by 1,5-2 times?

                        If we start talking about the dairy industry, we can go deeper like this... But in short, in any case, the largest margins are received by the chains. And sometimes everything is so fun there, then buckwheat will “take off”, then sugar will “disappear”, but we will leave this to the conscience of the antimonopoly officers... Therefore, the story with “we will raise the employee’s salary and everything will rise in price” no longer works. Not now, not here, everything is much more complex and diverse.
                        but not real

                        The fact of the matter is that it is not simple, but objectively real. There is nothing impossible in this theory. Of course, as implementation progresses, there will be certain challenges, but the result in any case will have a positive effect - hundreds of thousands of new Russian children, of whom our state seems to be so lacking.
                      51. +1
                        9 July 2024 13: 51
                        Quote: Doccor18
                        Enterprises in the food industry, as well as a wide range of light industry.
                        -I gave you a living example that actually exists now with the processing of cx.

                        Quote: Doccor18
                        As an example, having a huge agricultural population, there are very few domestic leather shoes in the country; everything is littered with Chinese “crafts made from dermantine.”
                        - and suddenly - a lot of leather is needed for the conveyor. You propose to take the leather to hell, make shoes there and then take it back? Can you imagine the capacity to produce leather - so that it is profitable - can you imagine?
                        China is still riding on a crazy population - there are always those who can be paid little. But we have practically no population anymore, and what we have in leather production for less than 150 will not work - because it is really harmful.
                        Our workers do not pay 70 for the construction of the federal railway (not on shift, but at home!!!!) - it’s hard.

                        Quote: Doccor18
                        Having fantastic wood reserves, solid wood furniture costs like an airplane wing,
                        -the forest is far away, the asphalt to it will make the cost of furniture the wing of a spaceship. Not cheaper.....

                        Quote: Doccor18
                        fabrics (in some places) “quite by chance” are more expensive than ready-made clothes.
                        -we have basic duty rates (Most Favored Nation countries), there are double duty rates for countries that are not MFN, and there are those that are assessed but not collected - CIS countries.
                        There are also zero duty rates.
                        But cotton is “duty-free” - that is, even in theory it is impossible to impose a duty on it; it is a product of a strategic group.
                        That is, fabrics made from it will certainly never be cheap.

                        Quote: Doccor18
                        In short, the networks get the biggest margin in any case.
                        -and how do you propose to get out - if you can only sell your processed products cheaply? Why will the salary be decent after that???
                      52. 0
                        10 July 2024 07: 24
                        suddenly - a lot of leather is needed for the conveyor. Are you suggesting that you take the leather to hell, make shoes there and then take it back?

                        What does "a lot" mean? Are there not enough large pig farms in Russia? Dozens. What about livestock megafarms for 1-7 thousand cattle? Hundreds. If at the largest enterprises in the industry, in the agricultural sector. regions of the country to build medium-sized shoe factories, then they will be able to become regional leaders in the industry. And you won’t need to carry it back and forth. By the way, how do Chinese shoes get onto our shelves? So it’s profitable for them to haul thousands of kilometers, but it will be unprofitable for the locals?
                        because it's really harmful.

                        It's harmful, I don't argue. I remember how my uncle, about forty years ago, was tanning goat skins at home, there was a terrible stench, my eyes were watering... Our modern dairy now employs about 100 people, more than half of them are administrators, advertisers and drivers. Everything is automated. Is this impossible for leather processing?
                        the forest is far away, the asphalt to it will make the cost of furniture the wing of a spaceship. Not cheaper.....

                        There are still forests in many regions, not only in the Krasnoyarsk and Khabarovsk territories. More than half of our furniture centers are filled with furniture from the Moscow region. Do they have a lot of forest there? Nevertheless, they produce it and transport it 400 km. and sell. And it’s unlikely that “valuable specialists” from Asia work there. The work is responsible.
                        We have basic duty rates (Most Favored Nation countries), there are double duty rates for countries that are not MFN, and there are those that are assessed but not collected - CIS countries.
                        There are also zero duty rates.
                        But cotton is “duty-free” - that is, even in theory it is impossible to impose a duty on it; it is a product of a strategic group.
                        That is, fabrics made from it will certainly never be cheap.

                        It is clear that you are well versed in the topic (no sarcasm). But why do clothes/bed linen made from the same cotton cost the same? After all, it still needs to be sewn. What's the point?
                      53. 0
                        10 July 2024 10: 20
                        Everything is automated. Is this impossible for leather processing? not the majority at all, the rest not.
                        By the way, how do Chinese shoes get onto our shelves? So it’s profitable for them to haul thousands of kilometers, but it will be unprofitable for the locals? Chinese shoes cost a penny. Now I don’t know - before great Wholesale leather Cheburashkas cost up to 2 dollars per kg, leather ones from 3 to 5 per kg. Women's shoes -3 pairs per kg.
                        Now the price may have risen, but most likely not much, after all, 20 years have passed.
                        Are you ready to produce shoes for 100 belay rubles for a pair of shoes? How big a salary can we talk about in this case?

                        only in the Krasnoyarsk and Khabarovsk territories. More than half of our furniture centers are filled with furniture from the Moscow region. Do they have a lot of forest there? Nevertheless, they produce it and transport it 400 km. and sell. And it’s unlikely that “valuable specialists” from Asia work there. The work is responsible. in the Krasnoyarsk Territory you will have to pay a higher salary and costs for heating and delivery.
                        Furniture from the Moscow region is made by gasters, if local workers worked, the price would be even higher (and you wrote about the “airplane wing”) + rent + and a bunch of other costs.

                        In general, the world economy has gotten into a big mess with China, which has several HUNDREDS feel millions of working hands - which allowed big business to find either the cheapest skilled hands on the world market or the cheapest ones on the local labor market (for a bowl of rice per day).
                        This allows you to keep the price of the product at the level of the price of raw materials - overhead costs are scanty.

                        This sometimes leads to oddities - like the epic with the US coat of arms about 15 years ago.
                        When it turned out that on about 30% of the coats of arms in the US embassies, the eagle is facing in the wrong direction.
                        We checked US government agencies and found the same thing there.
                        They tried to push through the issue of US emblems in the US itself - it turned out to be much more expensive. And then they introduced an additional duty for customs - to control the correctness of imported coats of arms by comparison with the template.
                      54. 0
                        10 July 2024 08: 47
                        and how do you propose to get out - if you can only sell your processed products cheaply?

                        Some mediocre agricultural producers have their own networks... True, if this is implemented everywhere, then our dear monopolists will howl.
                      55. 0
                        10 July 2024 10: 29
                        Some mediocre agricultural producers have their own networks... True, if this is implemented everywhere, then our dear monopolists will howl.
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                        any networks, even local ones, are monopolists. The problem is that you, as a manufacturer, in order to pay a decent salary, need to hand over lot products. Naturally, small piece retail will not take you, let’s say 10 tons of milk per day. And you will reach a dead end.
                        And it's a dead end.
                        And you will howl - NOT monopolists of the network....
                        Because you won’t increase volumes in a year, but everything is social for you, and people will unanimously say, a house is good, but where is the salary?!!!!
                        Manufacturers had the opportunity to simply kick out the worker; you cut off this opportunity for yourself with houses.
                        And these are all overhead costs - more than the budget you planned for such production along with houses
            2. 0
              7 July 2024 16: 28
              Quote: Doccor18
              China will repeat what the “Asian tigers” went before it: Singapore, Republic of Korea, Japan and Taiwan..

              I disagree with the author of the article here. If childfree is not prohibited by law, then soon bloggers and the media will begin to promote this concept, especially on Channel One TV, which is headed by Ernst Konstantin, candidate of biological sciences.
              1. +2
                7 July 2024 18: 31
                You can propagandize openly, or you can covertly. Everything that has been happening for at least forty years has in one way or another led to the decomposition of moral principles, and much has happened in this field. To reverse this process (it’s even hard to imagine), you just need to make titanic national efforts, a very well-thought-out strategy and work for at least forty years... But how realistic is all this?
              2. 0
                7 July 2024 19: 17
                I agree with youtihonmarine, because everything harmful comes to us from over the hill and investigators appear. Remember about the development of all kinds of LGBT people after perestroika and before the recent ban. This has become completely obnoxious. A ban on propaganda is good, but it is not enough to increase the population.
                And it’s interesting, for example, the statements of officials, like
                The state did not ask you to give birth!!!
                will now be considered as a violation of the ban? It is good to. And then there was a lot of all sorts of angry and contemptuous chatter
                1. +2
                  7 July 2024 19: 44
                  It’s interesting, for example, the statements of officials, like

                  Words are a shaking of the air, deeds are water that wears away even a stone...
                  When words are confirmed by deeds, they gain power. Unfortunately, such words are confirmed by reality....
                  1. +2
                    7 July 2024 19: 52
                    In this case, it is just confirmation by deeds, for every official, in my opinion, it is difficult to prove, but words are just propaganda! It is good to. He blurted out, was rude --- subjected! Whatever! Don't blame verbally
              3. 0
                11 July 2024 15: 59
                You are 20 years behind the times - this kind of bullshit went along with “Let’s go to Turkey/iPhone/new car/I was promoted...”.
                “Live for yourself” - in one word....
            3. +2
              7 July 2024 23: 20
              There is a targeted policy of replacing the indigenous population with newcomers!
              This is what I think deputies should do!
              And they imitate vigorous activity! Such initiatives!
              Me and all my friends are worried not about “childfree”, but about the problem with migrants!
        2. 0
          7 July 2024 09: 20
          The Chinese are having fun now, they are taking the consequences of “one family, one child” with a spoonful. It seems that it has not yet reached the point of stimulating the birth rate; the system has frozen in equilibrium.
          1. +1
            7 July 2024 10: 21
            Quote: Not the fighter
            The Chinese are having fun now, they are taking the consequences of “one family, one child” with a spoonful. It seems that it has not yet reached the point of stimulating the birth rate; the system has frozen in equilibrium.

            The one-family, one-child policy has long been abolished and is already stimulating the birth rate. Does not help.
            In February 2023, the government of Hangzhou, a technology hub in eastern China and the main headquarters of e-commerce giant Alibaba, began providing parents with newborns with 20 thousand Chinese yuan, or about $2,8 thousand, or about 275 thousand rubles, in as a one-time subsidy for the birth of a third child this year. Wenzhou, a city in southeastern China, offers future parents subsidies of up to 3 thousand yuan per child (41 thousand rubles, or $410).

            A lot of measures have already been taken there, but so far everything is too weak winked
      2. 0
        7 July 2024 06: 46
        too, for the time being...in the end, the same thing awaits them as soon as emancipation occurs.
        1. -1
          7 July 2024 10: 22
          Quote: VZEM100
          too, for the time being...in the end, the same thing awaits them as soon as emancipation occurs.

          China, South Korea, Japan are already declining at an accelerated pace
      3. +7
        7 July 2024 07: 00
        Or maybe it’s just a matter of upbringing? I think if a girl in the village even mentions childfree... It’s good if they don’t stone her. Another thing is that large families among them take on ugly forms against the backdrop of general degradation.
        1. +6
          7 July 2024 09: 00
          I think if the girl is in the village

          This is only in the village...
          Already the second generation of urban “from the village” does not give birth many times, two, maximum three. Because there is an understanding that children need education, they want to escape poverty and live with dignity... The city is a demographic killer.
          1. +2
            7 July 2024 09: 57
            What women need is not education, but crusts. Then they’ll push you higher, and your fellow countrymen will help. But they do not become more cultured by communicating within their own circle.
            1. +3
              7 July 2024 15: 37
              What women need is not education, but crusts.

              Well, it's different everywhere. We have a hospital where most of the surgeons are of non-Slavic appearance. Not the Pirogovs, of course, but they work, they operate... So they definitely won’t have many children.
              And those who only need crusts are a dime a dozen among the indigenous peoples. Crusts and dad's connections are the key to success...
      4. 0
        7 July 2024 14: 08
        Because they do not accept the Western postulates that Western publics feed our youth. The religious component plays a big role in them. So the spread of Islam and its movements can be very large as resistance to the ideas implanted by the West.
    2. 0
      7 July 2024 06: 40
      humanity will inevitably come not only to artificial conception but also to artificial incubation of people. and then cyborgs will replace people as more advanced creatures.
    3. +18
      7 July 2024 10: 53
      When any working man can support a family consisting of a non-working wife and at least two children, then there will be no need to prohibit childfree living. But our state has other tasks? Right? It sees the family entirely in loans. A working husband and wife for a salary that provides only food, housing and utilities and small expenses. Obediently voting in elections, singing patriotic songs and assana to the wise leaders of the state.
  2. +23
    7 July 2024 04: 35
    You’ll still pay off your mortgage and you won’t see your children at all. They are doing everything to bring down the birth rate. A power bank costs as much as a Boeing wing.
    1. -17
      7 July 2024 06: 55
      ......you need to feed your boobs
    2. +6
      7 July 2024 08: 44
      In general, an imitation of the “struggle” for demography. The reasons are not in this idea of ​​freedom from children. Personally, this is actually the first time I’ve heard about this.. Advertising, or something
      1. 0
        7 July 2024 09: 07
        Advertising or something?

        Yes, and there is no need for any advertising, everything is going in that direction anyway... Modern youth are literally fed a similar ideology, that first of all, life is for oneself (convenience/career), and then how it goes - “there will be no family/children, well and okay"... Often similar statements came from young people. And I’ve never even heard about the birth of many children...
  3. -9
    7 July 2024 04: 37
    Previously, in society, the main economic motives for having children were the desire to pass on accumulated property by inheritance, the desire to have a secure old age.

    If states in the 20th century began to create pension funds for the broad masses of the people and thus break traditional centuries-old family traditions, then the disintegration of the family was already planned by politicians.

    The construction of small apartments was also aimed at destroying family ties and clans.
  4. +7
    7 July 2024 04: 51
    If the state needs children, then it can pay surrogate mothers and raise them en masse (from healthy biological parents). Put it on stream. Take on full provision of the state. Provide guaranteed places for study in secondary specialized and higher educational institutions. These children will become the new society of Russia in 20-30 years (healthy, European type).
    No other options will save you from depopulation and villageization
    1. -4
      7 July 2024 05: 00
      Do you offer this version of Lebensborn? smile Indirectly, you can attract rehabilitation... winked And so, yes, the problem of problems is that with demographics we are flying into the abyss...
    2. +27
      7 July 2024 05: 46
      Quote: Evgeny Popov_3
      No other options will save you from depopulation and villageization
      The deportation and imprisonment of those who give out citizenship for a bribe will save them from villageization.
      And only affordable housing and confidence in the future will save you from depopulation. If people are sure that they will not be left without a decently paid job with a bunch of children around their necks, they will not stop at the first child.
      1. -1
        9 July 2024 00: 51
        Quote: Nagan
        The deportation and imprisonment of those who give out citizenship for a bribe will save them from villageization.
        -Will deportation save the USA? Or has affordable housing suddenly become available in the USA?
        Quote: Nagan
        And only affordable housing and confidence in the future will save you from depopulation.
        1. +1
          9 July 2024 01: 56
          Quote: your1970
          Will deportation save the USA?
          Yes!!! And this is part of Trump’s program - to send illegal immigrants back to where they came from.Yesgood
          Quote: your1970
          or suddenly affordable housing became available in the USA?
          I finally meant Russia, it’s like it’s not completely alien to me, and I don’t care at all.hi
          1. 0
            9 July 2024 09: 13
            And freedom b]I finally meant Russia, it’s like it’s not completely alien to me, and I don’t care at all.[/b] that’s why I gave you the example of the USA - which you see for yourself.
            The USA has no prospect of depopulation - despite to the lack of affordable housing and especially beautiful prospects.
            That is, this is an important factor in increasing the population, but not at all the main one.
            The naive belief - “we’ll give away apartments and people uhhhh!!!” - is not based on anything.
            Urbanization and women's freedom play a much larger role.
            When the Kurds came to us in large numbers in the Saratov region in 1970, they all had 6-8 or more children. Their grandchildren have -2 maximum
            The same story with the Chechens who moved at the same time -1-2.

            And women's freedom. Nails automatically eliminate the possibility of 6 children; an equal salary with a man reduces the number of children to 1-2 - you lose dependence on your breadwinner husband
  5. -10
    7 July 2024 05: 03
    If the state needs children, then it can pay surrogate mothers and raise them en masse (from healthy biological parents).

    If the state needs children, then they can be raised in an incubator. Science and technology already make it possible to do this.
    1. -13
      7 July 2024 05: 06
      Especially. This is even better. Because for Russia there are simply no other options
  6. +5
    7 July 2024 05: 35
    Childfree also has one more validity, not mentioned in the article. Seventy percent of modern TV series are sagas about how, either a child was changed in a maternity hospital, or the child’s mother does not remember who his father is because she “gave” to many in the office, or that the stepfather turns out to be the elder brother of the stepson, or about the fact that a businessman is getting divorced with his wife who has a child from him, and marries a childless housekeeper, who will not become pregnant even by the end of the 749th episode of the film... but they live happily. And who, after watching such TV series with such camouflaged advertising of the risk of having a child, will give birth to children... This is what deputies should think about, because banning the tip of the iceberg without destroying its underwater part on the way to avoid a demographic catastrophe is temporary self-deception, for the sake of appearances. that the deputies are supposedly “working”...
    1. -5
      7 July 2024 05: 45
      The Bolsheviks spoke about the crisis of bourgeois parliamentarism more than 100 years ago. If the people do not like either the Bolsheviks or the liberals, they will get what they like.

      As Alexander the 3rd used to say: “The Russian peasant needs a Tsar and a whip in the hands of the Tsar.”... The Tsar had a deep understanding of the people’s soul.... Moreover, he spoke Russian with a cool German accent, which is even symbolic in our time ....
      1. +2
        7 July 2024 16: 25
        I heard similar nonsense from the current powers that be, that in the USSR people reproduced exclusively under the supervision of the NKVDeshnik and a Mauser to his temple.
        1. -1
          9 July 2024 00: 54
          Quote: Evil_well done
          I heard similar nonsense from the current powers that be, that in the USSR people reproduced exclusively under the supervision of the NKVDeshnik and a Mauser to his temple.

          before the war, kerosene was expensive - what else could you do in the dark in the winter? And as soon as electricity came en masse throughout the country in the 1960s, the number of children began to decline and confidently reached 2-plus....
    2. +5
      7 July 2024 06: 40
      By the way, what you wrote about is childfree propaganda. That is, with one hand they pass a law banning childfree propaganda. And with the other hand they give money for meaningless TV series.
    3. 0
      7 July 2024 11: 45
      And also how they present birth “in the movies” - there, 50% of women are guaranteed not to survive... Why should girls watch this?
  7. +3
    7 July 2024 05: 40
    Now, if you ban abortion, contraceptives, including product No. 2, and criminalize sex outside of marriage, you will get... You will get the Taliban, or Islamist Iran. Do you want stoning for adultery?
    1. +2
      7 July 2024 07: 51
      So in Iran the birth rate is currently not high.
      1. +2
        7 July 2024 10: 23
        Quote: Sergej1972
        So in Iran the birth rate is currently not high.

        Moving towards catastrophic to be more precise
        In Tehran, the birth rate has even dropped to just 1,4 children per woman
    2. +1
      7 July 2024 09: 02
      You honor some - they really crave it. True, then it will be interesting to listen to their cries about this, “Why me?” hi
    3. +1
      7 July 2024 12: 50
      What nonsense about Iran... Islamism is the "Muslim Brotherhood" and other Salafis... Iran, let it be known, preaches Shiism. Study the subject before you pronounce something... In Islam there are so many trends and outright heresies masquerading as two main directions (Sunnism and Shiism)... so everything is not very simple there..
  8. +11
    7 July 2024 05: 45
    In conditions of de facto matriarchy, the creation of a stable family is unlikely and therefore one cannot expect an increase in the number of children.
    1. man
      +4
      7 July 2024 11: 50
      Quote from: navycat777
      In conditions of de facto matriarchy, the creation of a stable family is unlikely and therefore one cannot expect an increase in the number of children.

      Well, since we are not able to cope with matriarchy, we will have to choose an easier path, teach men to give birth
      1. +1
        7 July 2024 16: 10
        They have already successfully raised a lamb in an artificial womb, and perhaps soon human children will be able to do so.
  9. -6
    7 July 2024 05: 49
    I still don’t understand. People don't want to have children? Or do they refuse them in the maternity hospital? Introduce a tax on childlessness. Moreover, with the birth of the first child it is reduced by a third, with the birth of the second again by a third, and only with the birth of the third does the married couple stop paying it. Moreover, women and men are subject to it. And that you don’t enjoy success with the opposite sex. There are artificial ways. The state will support nothing. A!? Are you smart enough to make such unpopular decisions? It is much easier to ban something that does not exist and fight it. And get half a million rubles for it.
    1. +27
      7 July 2024 06: 00
      In the USSR there was a tax on childlessness... But, in my opinion, it was not the determining factor for childbearing... Stability and confidence in the future are still more important.
      1. -8
        7 July 2024 07: 01
        it was small. but at the same time it had a psychological impact.
        1. +7
          7 July 2024 07: 41
          it had no effect...
          1. -5
            7 July 2024 07: 50
            provided I myself remember how I received a salary at the factory and at first could not understand why it was less. the men from the brigade explained that there was an unpleasant feeling of inferiority.
            1. +10
              7 July 2024 07: 58
              I didn’t have any feeling of inferiority - everything has its time...
            2. 0
              9 July 2024 00: 57
              Quote: VZEM100
              provided I myself remember how I received a salary at the factory and at first could not understand why it was less. the men from the brigade explained that there was an unpleasant feeling of inferiority.

              6% of the salary at the factory and you feel inferior?
        2. +3
          7 July 2024 08: 58
          People now, if they have been spoiled by the army, feel like heroes, but here they will feel inferior. Yeah, they’ll start to feel ashamed in front of guest workers with many children.
      2. +6
        7 July 2024 07: 06
        Quote: Medvedev_Dmitry
        In the USSR there was a tax on childlessness... But, in my opinion, it was not the determining factor for childbearing...
        It certainly wasn’t a “determining factor for childbearing.” Moreover, people were in no hurry and no one suddenly planned to have a child by the day they came of age; everyone planned their future life carefully, without rushing. A The state compensated this tax with a discount on gold rings in stores - salons for newlyweds.
        1. man
          +1
          7 July 2024 12: 30
          And the state compensated for this tax with a discount on gold rings in stores - salons for newlyweds.
          Not certainly in that way. There was an increase in gold prices and the state compensated for this increase for the first time getting married. But not in bridal stores, but in savings banks with a certificate from the registry office. By the way, I received it in 1981, when I got married for the first time.
          1. 0
            7 July 2024 13: 36
            Quote: mann
            But not in bridal stores, but in savings banks according to a certificate from the registry office. By the way, I received it in 1981, when I got married for the first time.
            I got married later, under Gorbachev. We got confused in these “certificates” then because... we did them 2 times lol the first one was submitted to the registry office and... they went to that very “salon store” for newlyweds to stock up on shortages together with the witnesses. I remember how I bought myself a GDR suit - a three-piece suit, but that’s not the main thing, because the main purpose of the “second certificates” was to get additional information. liquor coupons wassat (there was already prohibition). They replayed the first “certificate” simply: we didn’t want to go to the registry office, we decided to go to the Wedding Palace and took the second one. But in general, in our yard there was such an epic - everyone first went to each other as witnesses, and then they arranged their wedding laughing
            1. man
              +1
              7 July 2024 15: 56
              Hmm, it was more difficult for you smile It was much easier for me, the only thing I remembered with horror was how I stood in line for several hours at the 40th grocery store. There, with a certificate, you could buy scarce products for the wedding table, caviar, etc. I remember I couldn’t understand why bridal stores were half empty, but there was such a queue here. Later they told me that cunning people submitted applications at different times to different Palaces (there were 4 of them in Moscow at that time) and registry offices (generally countless) in order to stock up on the deficit. Then they took away the applications, like they changed their minds about getting married smile, and the deficit was shared with the “brides” smile I was unlucky that it was the New Year, and the scammers, naturally, rushed to buy food for the New Year’s table, and not to buy clothes smile
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      4. man
        +3
        7 July 2024 12: 13
        Quote: Medvedev_Dmitry
        In the USSR there was a tax on childlessness... But, in my opinion, it was not the determining factor for childbearing... Stability and confidence in the future are still more important.

        Let me add that the fair sex was not subject to this tax.
        1. +1
          7 July 2024 15: 52
          Quote: mann
          Let me add that the fair sex was not subject to this tax.
          And there was a special meaning in this, because it seemed that... the state wanted to make rapists out of us. wassat
          I remember how we laughed at the factory in the BTZ (Bureau of Labor and Wages) together with the timekeeper, she was pretty, 5 years older than us, but not only without children, but also without a husband. Every time when that 1% was deducted from us, she laughed at us: well, guys, when are you going to give birth? And we: Olya, this is a question for you, when will we manage to seduce you and drag you into bed? lol
          1. man
            +1
            7 July 2024 16: 05
            Oh, how great it is to be young... the fact that supposedly every age has its own advantages was invented by old people, now I know for sure... smile sad
      5. +4
        7 July 2024 12: 48
        Quote: Medvedev_Dmitry
        Stability and confidence in the future are still more important.

        It's right. We moved forward - to the victory of communism, where society was supposed to live according to the principle: from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
        Today we are being pushed along the path of capitalism and speculation, being asked to live by the principle: survival of the fittest.
        A woman who can bear children is not the strongest in our society. Moreover, she is simply defenseless in a crowd of everyday problems and troubles. Therefore, our women strive for a successful marriage, and our men continue to pretend to be some kind of macho man, who in appearance is more like reckless drunks, for whom replacing the family with the fruits of European civilization is much closer and more pleasant.
      6. +2
        9 July 2024 01: 57
        At 10 o'clock.
        Calculate how much it costs to raise a child. What maternity capital. Pennies.
        This is from the economic side. Grandfathers and women +5 years before retirement. During these 5 years, their health has deteriorated so much that you need to look after them, not help from them. And so on all points. From education, medicine, security.
        The question is complex. Enormous. And not for the weak of mind.
    2. +3
      7 July 2024 10: 28
      Also with pensions it is possible for each child -5 years before retirement, and counting from 80 years.
      Cancelled for childless people.
      1. +1
        9 July 2024 00: 59
        Quote: Petya Kuzmin
        Also with pensions it is possible for each child -5 years before retirement, and counting from 80 years.
        Cancelled for childless people.
        -Your gypsies and Kurds will automatically become pensioners
    3. man
      +1
      7 July 2024 12: 05
      People don't want to have children? Or do they refuse them in the maternity hospital? Introduce a tax on childlessness. Moreover, with the birth of the first child it is reduced by a third, with the birth of the second again by a third, and only with the birth of the third does the married couple stop paying it. Moreover, women and men are subject to it. And that you don’t enjoy success with the opposite sex. There are artificial ways. The state will support nothing.
      The idea seems to be sound, but when you think about the execution... and even by our wise rulers... in short, we get a new tax under the slogan of fighting childlessness and nothing more. So, as they said in the 60s: “Tip your tongue!”
    4. +1
      8 July 2024 10: 00
      Yes. and let's fine for POVERTY!!!. So we will fill the treasury and the poor will move away.
      They don’t have children in the first place because the population is practically poor. Yes, you can buy 20 iPhone-type trinkets. But this is pennies compared to how much it costs to support a child.
      Look how many dogs they get. This is a symptom. There is a need. Especially for women. But the child throws the family into poverty. And you need to support him for 25 years. Until he graduates and at least gets a job somewhere.
      I have a bunch of relatives and acquaintances who got divorced/divorced for one reason. NO ACCOMMODATION!!!! Young families live with their parents, in cramped conditions - scandals, psychos, showdowns. Families are breaking up. That brother is 10 YEARS OLD!! I lived with my wife and 2 children in a one-room apartment!! Guess how it ended? That's right, neither family nor normal children. Well, let's also take a tax from him!
      Otherwise, the mayor doesn’t have enough for a new mansion.
      1. 0
        9 July 2024 01: 08
        Quote: Single-n
        That brother is 10 YEARS OLD!! I lived with my wife and 2 children in a one-room apartment!!
        -father-in-law lived in a family with 11 sisters/brothers, parents and grandmother. In a house on 68 sq meters....
        And there were no quarrels or psychotics; my father’s whip instantly treated anyone.
        1950
        Therefore, there was no need to get a dog....
        Apparently they live poorer now than they did then, since they have to support children.....
        4 bosses on a collective farm (with higher education), a doctor of sciences who taught at an institute, 2 teachers, 1 military man, the rest are hard workers...
        1. +1
          9 July 2024 08: 05
          Don't confuse a house in the village with an apartment. In a village house, people essentially only slept. They had a huge area around. And a modern apartment is a kennel where people are forced to constantly be. Remember how people went crazy during quarantine.
          And they were crazy. It’s just that children of 16 years old ran away in all directions. In the USSR, a young specialist was IMMEDIATELY given at least a dorm room. And after marriage and the birth of a child, it was possible to get a separate apartment. Not right away and not to everyone. But the majority received it. And in the villages, the collective farm gave land without any problems and helped with construction. My grandfather received an INTEREST-FREE loan from the company to improve his home. To build a house in the city. And of course no down payments of 10-20-30%. Or loan servicing fees.

          And I say again: In a modern city, a child is a heavy yoke. He consumes more than an adult. (by money). It needs to be maintained for 20-25 years. In the village, a child begins to help with housework and partially pay for himself at the age of 6. At the age of 15, he is already practically a full-time worker, who at times ALREADY earns like an adult. And in the household economy this is a full-time worker.
          In the city, this is an over-aged child who suffers from boredom and demands a lot of money for entertainment and wants.
          And the point is not that he is bad or his parents. It’s just that he can’t be assigned to work anywhere. .If only to relatives. And even then not always.
          This is unless you consider that much of what is in the village does not require money. You need to buy in the city. For example, kindergarten. In the village, grandmothers, aunts, and older children look after the younger ones. This is impossible in the city.
    5. -1
      9 July 2024 00: 32
      People don't want to have children? Or do they refuse them in the maternity hospital? Introduce a tax on childlessness.

      Raising a child costs much more than taxes. Go ahead and generate more “brilliant” ideas. This one doesn't fit.
  10. +6
    7 July 2024 06: 14
    The author first heard the word “childfree” quite recently (he had never seen it before)

    the word childfree (childfree) actively came into use among feminists after the student “revolution” of 1968, which was created in the name of the liberation of gender as an alternative to the Marxist liberation of labor, and about which the author has written more than once in previous materials (see, for example, “The New Left” and “ revolution" 1968)

    The author researched student revolutions and feminist activities so deeply that he only recently learned about childfree.

    “What a wonderful time - youth! And what a stupid crime it is to spend it on children” - this statement belongs to Bernard Shaw, who, by the way, throughout his entire life never came to the idea of ​​the need for children. The motivation that Shaw offers us can be attributed to hedonism, the desire to enjoy life and get pleasure from it without having children.

    Thus, the childfree phenomenon is directly related to the problems of modern mass society and left-liberal culture.

    It is very interesting to intertwine Bernard Shaw with left-liberalism, a concept of the 21st century.
  11. +14
    7 July 2024 06: 16
    “Until the age of seven, a child is a King, then a Servant, and only then becomes a Friend.” In the old days, when a boy was born, the father said, “He will be my assistant.” The mother said the same thing when she gave birth to a girl. The plot could not be simpler. But it is the loss of labor from this union that becomes a big problem.
  12. +2
    7 July 2024 06: 44
    The author simply did not understand that the ban would not concern a word or phrase, but the open propaganda of this very childfree. If you don’t want to give birth, don’t give birth, but don’t you dare propagate this destructive philosophy.
  13. +6
    7 July 2024 06: 51
    For example, ISIS is officially banned in Russia, however

    However, the children of a Dagestani official can easily be radicals. And no one cares until tragedy strikes.
    There is another serious problem that is only getting worse over time. Soon there will be more mosques than churches in the once Orthodox country. And our radicals have a religious background.
    1. +4
      7 July 2024 10: 25
      Quote: Stas157
      There is another serious problem that is only getting worse over time. Soon there will be more mosques than churches in the once Orthodox country. And our radicals have a religious background.

      Every day the Russian Orthodox Church builds a church with state money. Maybe it would be better to return to Atheism? winked
      1. +2
        7 July 2024 22: 48
        You are mistaken, according to the Russian Orthodox Church, three churches are being built a day in Russia. So think about this information. After all, this is simply sabotage. Maybe it would be better to build three multi-storey buildings a day and distribute free apartments to young families? They build churches with government money. And you never know there is similar sabotage in Russia? no, not a little, but a lot, and this comes from the authorities, so the government must be changed to smart. For 30 years, this government has already fed up to hell.
        1. +1
          8 July 2024 08: 52
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          You are mistaken, according to the Russian Orthodox Church, three churches are being built a day in Russia. So think about this information. After all, this is simply sabotage. Maybe it would be better to build three multi-storey buildings a day and distribute free apartments to young families? They build churches with government money. And you never know there is similar sabotage in Russia? no, not a little, but a lot, and this comes from the authorities, so the government must be changed to smart. For 30 years, this government has already fed up to hell.

          Moreover, churches need to not only be built, but also maintained. Like their staff, regular repairs, housing and communal services, etc. But the Temples do not produce anything except clamps winked
          1. 0
            9 July 2024 01: 11
            Quote: BlackMokona
            But the Temples do not produce anything except clamps
            -and they, like the CPSU, exist on party contributions.
            Seriously though, they donate quite a decent amount of money. For example, in one village we have a church for which a former local resident donated 4 million (early 2010s), definitely not an oligarch/official.
  14. +13
    7 July 2024 06: 52
    They have nowhere to live, so they disintegrate. At my work, out of 28 women, 21 are single. Almost all of them live in rented houses.
    1. -4
      7 July 2024 06: 58
      and how many of these 28 smoke and walk?
      1. +8
        7 July 2024 07: 06
        and how many of these 28 smoke and walk?

        Half of them smoke, any of them will hang out with a normal dude, hoping to hook you. But where can I find them, normal ones...)))
        1. -13
          7 July 2024 07: 11
          there is a hundred percent option - to abolish the article for rape and ban abortion
          1. +5
            7 July 2024 07: 26
            there is a hundred percent option - to abolish the article for rape and ban abortion

            And what will grow out of him/her? Only replenish the orphanage. Yes
            1. -5
              7 July 2024 07: 34
              The orphanage will gradually be closed altogether if she refuses to place the child in the care of relatives. I sat there for two years and thought about collecting a commission if I was ready for the early return of the child. this also applies to the one who inserted it into her.
              otherwise it's the end of the country.
              1. +1
                7 July 2024 16: 36
                The orphanage will gradually be closed altogether if she refuses to place the child in the care of relatives. I sat there for two years and thought about collecting a commission if I was ready for the early return of the child. this also applies to the one who inserted it into her.
                otherwise it's the end of the country.

                So she doesn't refuse. On the contrary, he will take it from the orphanage so that the benefit will be larger. I know people like that.
  15. +5
    7 July 2024 07: 08
    The author, speaking about the status of the family and its role in demography, is deeply mistaken. The ideology of capitalism creates high expectations of personal well-being, drowning out all public interests and norms. In African countries, there is no such pressure, there tribal, social consciousness is much higher and family norms play a significant role in life. Capitalism against the backdrop of rising prosperity is leading humanity to extinction. Look where the population is growing: Asia, Africa and communist countries.
    1. +8
      7 July 2024 07: 15
      The author, speaking about the status of the family and its role in demography, is deeply mistaken. The ideology of capitalism creates high expectations of personal well-being, drowning out all public interests and norms. In African countries, there is no such pressure, there tribal, social consciousness is much higher and family norms play a significant role in life. Capitalism against the backdrop of rising prosperity is leading humanity to extinction. Look where the population is growing: Asia, Africa and communist countries.

      In Africa, some tribes do not even understand the connection between sex and the birth of children, what kind of social consciousness there is. laughing
    2. +2
      7 July 2024 07: 33
      Quote: Plowman
      Look where the population is growing: Asia, Africa and communist countries.

      It has not grown in China for a long time. And communism is the same name there.
    3. +5
      7 July 2024 10: 27
      Quote: Plowman
      Look where the population is growing: Asia, Africa and communist countries.

      Cuba is shrinking
      . Fertility rate (total birth rate) 1,6 children per 1 woman (2020).

      China is shrinking
      1,16 birth per woman (2021)

      North Korea is shrinking
      The DPRK's birth rate ranks among the average: 1,8 children per woman.

      Vietnam is shrinking
      1,94 birth per woman (2021)
  16. +3
    7 July 2024 07: 44
    this bill is an imitation of vigorous activity, nothing more
  17. +3
    7 July 2024 08: 00
    Previously, there were no more things to do with children, but now there are only gadgets. they have no time.
  18. -7
    7 July 2024 08: 03
    In such a situation, and even with the prospect of war for decades, introduce conscription for the birth of children as military service for the male half. And create an appropriate educational program to change attitudes in one or two generations and move away from a consumerist attitude to life.
    1. -6
      7 July 2024 08: 32
      For this, as Alexander III said: “You need a Tsar and a whip in the hands of the Tsar.”
      A slave does nothing without an order. Even in the Soviet oath it was: “to come forward in defense when ordered.” A slave will not protect his mother without an order. And the Motherland too.
      They ordered him to build a great country, and he built it. They ordered it to be destroyed, and it was destroyed. And no one has yet ordered children to be made.
    2. +4
      7 July 2024 09: 09
      Listen to you, all the advice boils down to one thing - prohibit, oblige, introduce a tax. What else will you offer, oblige everyone to enjoy life?
  19. +1
    7 July 2024 08: 50
    Quote: smart fellow
    If the state needs children, then they can be raised in an incubator.


    And if the state doesn’t need children, then what for? Let's replace people with robots, they don't go on strike and they don't need wages, right?
    An overly utilitarian approach to future generations as working animals and cannon fodder. Are children only needed by the state, do we not need them ourselves?
  20. +2
    7 July 2024 09: 06
    Quote: Stenolaz
    I still don’t understand. People don't want to have children? Or do they refuse them in the maternity hospital? Introduce a tax on childlessness. Moreover, with the birth of the first child it is reduced by a third, with the birth of the second again by a third, and only with the birth of the third does the married couple stop paying it.


    It will help like aspirin for leukemia.
    The problem is much more general, ideological. As long as the highest priority is personal well-being and satisfaction of needs (primarily material), no such incentives will change the situation to a significant extent.

    To put it quite simply, let’s compare arithmetically: on one side of the scale we’ll put the tax on childlessness, on the other side we’ll put the costs (even if purely financial) of raising and educating at least one child. Which bowl will win?

    The parents alone should not be blamed. Previously, children were seen as their support in old age. In modern conditions, grown children are often less reliable support than pension funds.
  21. -3
    7 July 2024 09: 11
    We need a ban on the propaganda of childlessness (childfree), similar to the law banning LGBT propaganda. It is important to specify in the law the cases that are subject to prohibition. Of course, this should be only one of many measures aimed at reviving the institution of family and large families among the Russian people. (Having many children is basically three children, and if more, then at will Yes ).
  22. +5
    7 July 2024 09: 16
    The Russian people do not reproduce in captivity; if in the RSFSR in the 80s the birth rate was, on average, 2 million children per year, then in the 2s it immediately collapsed to 90 -1,2 million children per year.
    1. -5
      7 July 2024 13: 28
      Russian people do not reproduce in captivity

      How do you explain the constant growth of the population of the Russian Empire during the times of serfdom? Or do you want to say that in modern Russia the situation of the people is worse than in serf Russia of the 18th - 19th centuries?
      1. +5
        7 July 2024 14: 03
        Very simply, contrary to anti-Soviet myths about the wonderful life of the people before the October Revolution, abortion was prohibited in the Republic of Ingushetia
        induced abortion was punishable by “hard labor for 4 to 5 years, deprivation of all rights of fortune, exile to Siberia for settlement.”
        There were no contraceptives, 85% of the population lived in villages, and in villages there was always a much higher birth rate than in cities. .
        1. -4
          7 July 2024 14: 10
          That is, the recipe for increasing the birth rate, in your opinion, lies on the surface - banning abortions, introducing criminal liability for them, withdrawing contraceptives from circulation and introducing limits on moving to cities?
          1. -1
            7 July 2024 22: 18
            As I understand it, the downvotes are those who are afraid that condoms will disappear from pharmacies tomorrow?
        2. -3
          7 July 2024 14: 13
          Do you want to say that under your adored, beloved Stalin there was no ban on abortion??
        3. 0
          8 July 2024 08: 00
          Well, you know how the severity of the laws is compensated. The little girls who offered, for a small bribe, the necessary herbs to help them throw off, were a dime a dozen. How many of them were attracted under these laws? Do you remember the novel "Eternal Call"? How, the midwife Ainfisa’s mother, was she put to death? And this is because they strangled newborns and declared them stillborn. At the request of women in labor, of course. I also recommend Veresaev’s short story “Lizar”. In it, an old man complains about being vaccinated against smallpox. They say that sooner the smallpox will pass, and the people will be freer. But now the people are multiplying, but there is no land coming. So the Russian peasant joined the revolution. If he had promised to divide up the landowners' lands, he would have gone to hell with his horns. Something like that.
    2. 0
      9 July 2024 01: 14
      Quote: tatra
      The Russian people do not reproduce in captivity; if in the RSFSR in the 80s the birth rate was, on average, 2 million children per year, then in the 2s it immediately collapsed to 90 -1,2 million children per year.


      you have already been answered with an example from communist type of countries

      Quote: BlackMokona
      Cuba is shrinking
      . Fertility rate (total birth rate) 1,6 children per 1 woman (2020).

      China is shrinking
      1,16 birth per woman (2021)

      North Korea is shrinking
      The DPRK's birth rate ranks among the average: 1,8 children per woman.

      Vietnam is shrinking
      1,94 birth per woman (2021)
  23. +7
    7 July 2024 09: 42
    This movement, the so-called “Childfree”, has the same effect on the birth rate in the country as health warnings on cigarette packs have on the number of smokers.

    Another fight against windmills
  24. +3
    7 July 2024 10: 05
    The institution of classical marriage is dying out; it has been replaced by a guest marriage, when spouses live separately, or an unregistered marriage, when a man and woman do not sign their names. Of course, there will be fewer children from such a relationship. In addition, emancipation, economic difficulties and increased consumer expectations of the population, the spread of sexual deviations, as well as supporters of childfree, childlis, childhate, etc. contribute to this. What is needed to change the situation:
    1. End the war by any means and as quickly as possible.
    2. The government and the president should focus on fundamental solutions to socio-economic problems. That is, money from weapons and the destruction of other people should be used to pay families with children.
    3. Encourage the creation of mass affordable individual housing with a large area and developed infrastructure.
    4. Create additional financial resources for parents depending on the number of children in the form of a multiple increase in pension or even salary (in the public sector).
    5. Promotion of motherhood and childhood. Introduction to the school (final grade) and university curriculum of the subject “Ethics and Psychology of Family Life”.
    6. Combating loneliness among adolescents, young and adult men and women who have reached reproductive age through the creation of communities in sports, tourism, and cultural events through the involvement of people in joint activities.
  25. +6
    7 July 2024 10: 28
    Like all living things, any population on the planet begins to multiply and multiply only when there are appropriate comfortable conditions for this; this is a law of nature and no artificial laws can change this.
    Since the betrayal of their Motherland and people by the elites, there has been, in fact, a genocide of the Slavic ethnic group through the destruction of the fundamental historical foundations of culture and education, family and community traditional values. In the territories controlled from outside, according to laws imposed by the “Anglo-Saxons,” there is a substitution of cultural and moral guidelines, an active and aggressive replacement of the population with the help of migration flows directed from outside, with an alien culture and worldview. In essence, the national historical system of education and upbringing, aimed at creating a creative and socialized personality into society, has been destroyed. For more than one generation, philistinism, consumerism and selfish individualism have been systematically and purposefully imposed, where money becomes the only measure of spiritual and material success.
    What’s most offensive is that all this, all the methodologies and techniques of psychological warfare for reformatting the population, were known for a long time, we once studied them in all universities at the first department, whoever is in the know knows.
    The most offensive thing about this issue is that the state continues its course towards self-elimination from all spheres of life of the people and the country. Even in conditions of war, it continues to act according to the laws written by our enemies for their overseas territories, continuing to destroy society and reduce the survival potential of the Slavic ethnic group. No maternal capital, no reading of mantras and spells and other blah blah blah, which carry nothing but empty words, will correct or change this already becoming catastrophic situation. People are not confident in the prospects for their future; since the 90s they have been living in constant anticipation of the next betrayal of their so-called. elites, which has been confirmed more than once. Without a change in the socio-economic formation, without an adequate ideological system of education and upbringing, and religion, its aggressive imposition, forgetting the principles of a secular state, in our time does not replace ideology, often only aggravates the situation and divides people, and without much else, prospects for progress This issue seems sad to me, although I am not an expert.
    1. +1
      7 July 2024 16: 31
      Quote: seacap
      any population on the planet begins to multiply and multiply only when there are appropriate comfortable conditions for this, This is a law of nature and no artificial laws can change this.
      ...in essence, there is genocide of the Slavic ethnic group through the destruction of the fundamental historical foundations of culture and education, family and community traditional values...

      Interesting look
      On the one hand, you argue that humanity, like any biological species, strives to reproduce, contrary to any artificial laws.
      And then you claim that this can still be changed by destroying historical foundations and substituting moral guidelines
      In my opinion, mutually contradictory statements
      Or, then, it’s worth admitting that humanity has grown from just a biological species, and these laws of nature, about the desire to leave offspring at any cost, are not entirely applicable to us
      1. -1
        8 July 2024 11: 01
        You perfectly understood everything that I briefly outlined in my comment. But for some reason they decided that this was a field for discussion, or rather for your detailed analysis of student statements in a mentor style. Actually, just above, it is said that this is not a social network or a forum, but comments on an article, i.e. expressing your personal opinion and nothing more. Whether they coincide with yours or mine is a matter for the author and the editors. Yes, and ending our meaningless, and therefore useless, short discussion, a rhetorical question that does not require an answer. Why did you focus only on biology, although we were talking about the habitat, which for animals is determined by the laws of nature, and for humanity by the laws of the state and historical moral and cultural principles? Let's leave it at that. Good luck.
  26. -6
    7 July 2024 10: 37
    It is necessary not only quantity, but also quality, and that there is infrastructure and high technology available to everyone. Otherwise they give birth in the villages, men grow up, they are sent to their own country, but they don’t know how to control drones, because they didn’t hold anything in their hands except a shovel and an ax. This war has shown that it is high-tech, and in the future there will be more when Western kids grow up and will all use VR helmets and control robots while ours die on the battlefield. You cannot cultivate a high-tech society and have a high birth rate.
    1. +3
      7 July 2024 14: 09
      Apparently, you have, to put it mildly, a very indirect concept of war. War is, first of all, very hard and exhausting work, for which people from the “castle” are best prepared. By the way, in terms of the level of moral and psychological stability, socialization, and the ability to work in a team, people from the “outback” are much higher than those from the capital, and often in terms of education and the fundamental quality of education, because often had teachers of the old school. By the way, from personal experience, the best operators and specialists for operating SNR and other complex equipment came from the guys, from the outback.
      1. +2
        7 July 2024 21: 03
        Quote: seacap
        War is, first of all, very hard and exhausting work, for which, precisely, people from the “castle” are best prepared

        It’s just that if you take people from Moscow to the war, the coffins will destabilize the capital. No one cares what they think in the regions, the only question is about the capital.
        1. -1
          8 July 2024 10: 29
          Firstly, not everyone is killed in war, and in a metropolis of 15 million this is an extremely insignificant figure (no matter how cynical it may sound), which will not have any impact on public opinion, i.e. in conditions of social consolidation.
          Secondly, discussion on this topic makes no sense, because Neither you nor I are expert sociologists or political scientists. Therefore, I think that we can end here. Good luck.
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  28. -6
    7 July 2024 10: 42
    You cannot simultaneously be an Orthodox Christian with family values ​​and a culture of debauchery, lust, revelry, cantiness, and so on. A harlot cannot be a scumbag. A harlot cannot be a wife. A harlot cannot be a mother. These are polar concepts.

    But even in such a cultural Frankenstein, the birth rate can be increased. To do this, you need to make a man the head of the family, and let the woman only give birth. Ban her from filing for divorce and taking the children. In fact, this is how it should be for us. We are an Orthodox country. In Orthodoxy, you can only enter into one marriage, get married, and that’s it. But somehow they came up with ZAKS and away we go.

    Culture, laws and you will have a birth rate. But no one needs this.
  29. +4
    7 July 2024 10: 51
    To solve the problem with demographics, it is necessary to remove banks from mortgages, raise the minimum area standard, and prohibit the construction of apartments smaller than 3 room apartments (90m+). Humane workers may be a solution to the problem, but no one is interested in us. Everything fell on the shoulders of households. The state would raise the issue of reproduction, would create technologies where, with the help of one family at personal expense, it would be possible to install communications, make a foundation, walls, a roof, and all this in 3-4 weeks maximum. And here we all want to make money from this. Construction areas are shrinking, the price per meter is rising....
  30. +1
    7 July 2024 10: 55
    Dear author, any, even the most idealistic, worldview ALWAYS has strict, and sometimes simply cruel, material boundaries. These “frameworks” for the population of our country, concentrated today in large, medium and small cities, due to the century-old “state” policy of de-peasantization, dictate their conditions for survival, and, especially, for starting a family. The educated modern urban population, for the emergence of material incentives and the direct need for procreation, must own not only an apartment, a car, a garage, and a country house, which are a source of direct expenses for them, and which do not in any way affect either the economy or politics in country, but, above all, WORK AND COLLECTIVELY OWN production, engineering, infrastructure and agricultural enterprises and organizations that are COLLECTIVE PRIVATE PROPERTY for the citizens. Structurally corresponding to petty bourgeois cooperatives and corporations. When qualified specialists not only receive a salary and their share of the profits from the activities of the structure, but also own part of its property, shares, securities, participate directly in the discussion, adoption and control of the implementation of ANY managerial and administrative decisions, election and re-election procedures, and mechanisms, within their competencies and division of labor. That is, the urban population, through its economic activities and DIRECT participation in local government bodies, becomes the direct CORPORATE OWNER of its district, city and region, and, indirectly, through the participation of working owners in the work of government bodies, the owner of the entire country. Only in this case will our population, who have become responsible collective owners, have material opportunities and the desire to pass on “their business” to their children. The POOR AND OPENLY POOR MODERN RUSSIAN POPULATION, expecting handouts of social “help”, gifts and sweet promises from the oligarchs for the next “elections”, will NEVER be active and determined to create families, give birth and raise children in urban conditions. The consequence will be the further extinction of the Russian state-forming ethnic group and the destruction of historical Russia.
    1. -2
      7 July 2024 12: 44
      Right. Life-being on Earth is limited to “GIVEN”. To live and live from the point “P (birth)” to the point “C (death) and the presence of evil-mistakes.

      In "Rulers without Magi", the mind becomes without reason. The trouble is manifested by the lack of perception of self-evident everyday MEANINGS in Rus'. And the replacement of the “everyday folk tale” with a cult myth or a scientific and philosophical fabricated idea.
  31. +2
    7 July 2024 10: 59
    in my subjective understanding that the basis of existence is multiplying, healthy, developing offspring. Our genes exist in the genes of our children. This is the form of life we ​​have on Earth and we can either accept it or die out.
    But the problem with low birth rates lies in something else, something completely different - the responsibility of the authorities. After all, it all starts with medicine, with security, with the confidence that tomorrow you can get your family back on its feet. and you won’t have to beg on the porch, but you will be able to learn, teach, educate, maintain your health, and at the same time you will also be able to earn money yourself. If you hear every day that you don’t like it, get rid of it, if the employer can print any piece of paper with any punishment in any number and all the courts don’t give a damn about it, if the police stupidly kidnapped a child, a few days later they handed him over to an orphanage and the parents are running around and can’t find the child, What does those who made the decision to hand him over to the shelter have to do with silence and no one gives a fuck. on the laws, but then, after a few days, all the paperwork was done in the past numbers. And something just changed when the regional ombudsman got involved. Is this normal??? Now it is understood that a child is a reason to blackmail parents, to extort.
    I have to run to pick up my child at kindergarten, the employer tells me that this is my problem, but if I leave after the end of my work shift, I will be punished and fired. I explained to my superior that I would take the child to relatives and return if necessary - they punished me at work. and it turns out that the family is to blame again - without money. If you come up with rules according to which they themselves do not know how to live and work, then what kind of children and what kind of future do they dream about??? - they would like to fill their pockets and pretend to be obedient to their superiors...
  32. -3
    7 July 2024 11: 34
    No prohibitions will help here; urbanization plus the consequences of the Second World War have taken their toll. Perhaps if you forcibly evict people into villages and auls, it may increase the birth rate.
  33. -2
    7 July 2024 12: 20
    Russians should return to traditions, if they have already started. What time was it “traditional” for girls to get married in Rus'? Being a mom and dad should be considered "cool" among young people. The more children, the more “status”. Childlessness will become synonymous with failure in life. It should also be beneficial for young families. Family growth is accompanied by lifelong installment payments for housing at 0% interest, free education and other government assistance for living expenses.

    If early marriages are condemned in society, there is nothing to worry about about being fruitful and multiplying.

    Off topic, but relevant. Today in Rus': “cows - separately, hay - separately.” The situation is similar in “unarmed patriotism.” If someone who loves the Motherland does not have the opportunity to buy an AK in “household goods”, “patriotic” education will be reduced to empty chatter.
    1. 0
      7 July 2024 13: 00
      What nonsense? Are you proposing to marry off your children? A modern person is not a medieval person who lived 30 years ago, whose personality needs to be developed, and not destroyed by reducing everything to children.
      1. 0
        7 July 2024 13: 21
        What a crazy stop to the question “and not ruin everything by reducing everything to the child” (c)... children are our future in general... properly raised and educated children can do more than we can. In time, the children born will allow you to fully engage in their upbringing and education. Late children are much worse in health and there is less energy to raise them.
        1. +2
          7 July 2024 16: 21
          The question needs to be posed differently. The state killed a family for several generations and a territorial community. When in villages there were structures like kindergartens, where old people passed on knowledge, supervised the young, and taught. Now, even if an apartment building is organized in such a way that the old people are told, here are the children, educate them, the state will be the first to go against such a community at home and will put a spoke in the wheels. As it is, the community of public punishment and physical punishment has and can influence families, their way of life and life. And this does not help the goals of the state for which such structures are dangerous; the community can have its own opinion, political weight....
    2. 0
      9 July 2024 01: 19
      Quote: Bayun
      . The more children, the more “status”. Childlessness will become synonymous with failure in life. It should also be beneficial for young families.
      -Gypsies and Kurds give you a standing ovation..
      1. 0
        9 July 2024 22: 32
        And we must become like this! To multiply! What we need now is quantity, not quality. A question of survival!
  34. +1
    7 July 2024 12: 33
    how the childfree ban could affect demographics in Russia

    No way, just an imitation.
  35. -5
    7 July 2024 12: 54
    The tax on childlessness, even if it is not very burdensome, will say that the state does not encourage childlessness. And financial assistance to families with children will also not be superfluous...at all.
    1. -3
      7 July 2024 13: 11
      Already one downvoter and supporter of childfree has noted... this is indicative.. :)
  36. +3
    7 July 2024 12: 58
    To “plug holes” in the budget, they will raise taxes and introduce new ones, justifying this with “good goals.”
  37. +7
    7 July 2024 13: 00
    Put yourself in the shoes of young guys who got married and have nowhere to live...what kind of children should they think about? Then the mortgage, again, is not up to the children, they wouldn’t be able to stretch their legs on their own... And it’s already 40-45 years old, it’s already dangerous to give birth to your first child ((The so-called “social” state is behaving really stupidly, which doesn’t want to give young people free housing, no free education, no free medicine, no free kindergartens, etc.
    1. -4
      7 July 2024 13: 16
      This is an echo of the 90s from which we inherited an economic bloc in the form of Nabiulinnaya, Siluanov... and those who joined... it was they who made it so that the development of something could only be financed through budget financing... It was they who raised the rate of preferential mortgages. Depicting the “Invisible Hand of the Market” (c)
  38. +2
    7 July 2024 13: 17
    But the author named the main reason not only for this, but also for many foods of our time:
    The main figure of the postmodern era is the consumer, who strives to get maximum pleasure “here and now”
    We have raised a consumer society, and what do we expect from it? This is what we need to fight against, everything else is an imitation of activity.
  39. +2
    7 July 2024 13: 19
    The ban is not clear why. Specifically, the problem of demographics is not a lack of desire to have children, but low salaries and high housing prices. Yesterday I watched Delyagin and one of the madams from the leaders of the HOA in Aurora. They say this there - it’s impossible to describe it with obscenities. The number of families on the waiting list is 145.000, and 107.000.000 square meters of housing unsold last year alone. We get roughly 738 square meters per family. And these are still used apartments and houses, it is not known how many are being sold. It’s stupid that I bought a three-ruble note for 63 square meters plus a plot of 10 acres for an apartment in a brick two-apartment building for 450.0000 rubles. in a village 20 km from the regional center and 140 from Orenburg. And in the regional center three rubles cost from 800.000 to 1.400.000 rubles. Kumertau costs 3-4 rubles for three rubles. In Orenburg it’s about the same. I didn’t look at the new building. Here in one village we have a house with an area of ​​300 square meters and a garage for 4 or 6 cars, built in 2014. The price is 60 lyams... Why the hell should we build so many apartment buildings in Orenburg if the population there has been spinning around one number for 50 years. There are plenty of vacant lots and abandoned one-story houses. And about children - there are people who simply simply have no desire to have close relationships with the opposite sex. And no propaganda, just one brain around what someone owes someone. The salaries were small; they worked for others who had nowhere to go. And now they can’t find people for a different salary - the schedule and working hours are not satisfactory. You can work as an ambulance driver in three days, in Orenburg two days in two - it’s not like driving a 40-ton truck 8 hours a day. But for a private owner who travels 100 km a day in 6 hours, install a tachograph. One shake of the air on real issues.
  40. 0
    7 July 2024 13: 23
    Or you can look at at least some statistical indicators, otherwise there is a whole cart of emotions, and zero numbers. And then “Rus was killed, Rus' was buried,” or maybe in the author’s head everyone died and everyone was taken to the cemetery? I don’t justify domestic policies even once. but what kind of funeral marches are these? Well, how much can you talk about this nonsense, like it’s the consumer’s fault, postmodernism is bad, but what’s good? Well, don’t consume, don’t buy, give birth without shopping. What's the problem? Weave your own diapers, make diapers and pads from moss. Consumer society is bad.
    1. 0
      7 July 2024 14: 18
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      Well, don’t consume, don’t buy, give birth without shopping. What's the problem? Weave your own diapers, make diapers and pads from moss.

      What does this have to do with diapers? This is mainly about conspicuous consumption. When, say, they work two jobs in order to exchange a Solaris for a Mazda. Or when they take out a loan for a holiday abroad. Etc. At the same time, there is supposedly neither money nor time for children.
      1. +3
        7 July 2024 14: 21
        What kind of consumption is not conspicuous? Are you going to the store on purpose? Do you also buy sanitary pads for your wife for show? To spite the whole world? The fact that you don’t have time and money for children is your personal problem. Solve them yourself.
        1. +1
          7 July 2024 14: 23
          Quote: nikolaevskiy78
          The fact that you don’t have time and money for children is your personal problem. Solve them yourself.

          Did I offend you with something?
          1. 0
            7 July 2024 14: 24
            Did I answer you very harshly? But, forgive me, you wrote about it yourself. To be honest, I didn’t want to be harsh at all.
            1. 0
              7 July 2024 14: 26
              Quote: nikolaevskiy78
              Did I answer you very harshly?

              It’s just amazing to have such emotions without a noticeable reason.
              1. 0
                7 July 2024 14: 34
                You know, the article itself seems to hit the emotions. I am against this approach. But judge for yourself, if you get into discussions on such topics, then usually nothing remains of the topic itself and its meaning. That's what it's done for. So I climbed in and hooked up with you. It seems like he was trying to make himself smart, but it turns out he got hooked.

                I sincerely apologize to you. Please accept!
                1. -1
                  7 July 2024 14: 41
                  I actually wrote. Even without a rating. Each individual sets life priorities in his own way. And he seems to have the right to do so. But for the people as a transpersonal entity, such a change of priorities turns out to be destructive.
                  1. 0
                    7 July 2024 14: 48
                    But that's not the point. It’s just that the material is such that it will bother everyone’s emotional sphere. Look, we got into a fight, but in fact we got away from the very topic of discussion. Was I wrong? Certainly. But it turns out that we are not exploring the topic, we are not revealing it. That's where the salt is. Who left? The one who left was the one who was more emotionally constrained - in this case, me. It turns out that I myself left the topic by raising it. Although the idea of ​​​​criticism of consumer society, it is deep, like the anti-criticism that he advocated.
      2. +2
        7 July 2024 15: 54
        Why is consumption bad or do you want to live like in the Middle Ages?
        1. -1
          7 July 2024 16: 05
          Quote: Kronos
          Why is consumption bad or do you want to live like in the Middle Ages?

          And again to the extreme. It is this consumer mentality that causes most of the problems we have now.
  41. +2
    7 July 2024 13: 50
    Quote: populist
    We need a ban on the propaganda of childlessness (childfree), similar to the law banning LGBT propaganda.


    What if this propaganda, albeit hidden, permeates all advertising, the entire media industry, all the implicit propaganda of the “beautiful life”?

    “Have a blast…” this leitmotif sounds everywhere. Who is it addressed to, who can “have fun”?
    Certainly not large families.

    Demographic problems are a particularity, a derivative of the much more global problem of choosing a lifestyle and value guidelines. As long as they are what they are, the problem of demography can only be partially weakened, but not completely solved. Nowhere in the West (with the possible exception of Israel) has it been possible to solve it.
    1. 0
      7 July 2024 16: 07
      Quote: Illanatol
      Nowhere in the West (with the possible exception of Israel) has it been possible to solve it.

      How did they decide in Israel?
      1. 0
        7 July 2024 21: 06
        Quote: guest
        How did they decide in Israel?

        Some of their people are separated from society and stew in their religious insanity. Why is their birth rate good, while that of ordinary Jews is bad? Which makes everything good on average. Only this department seriously affects the ability to fight and generally live normally. Which is gradually being abandoned, it is too painful a way.
        The highest fertility rate among Israel's Jewish population was among Haredi women, with 6,64 children per woman, compared to 1,96 among secular Jewish women
  42. -1
    7 July 2024 13: 59
    Quote: Oleg Plenkin
    When qualified specialists not only receive a salary and their share of the profits from the activities of the structure, but also own part of its property, shares, securities, participate directly in the discussion, adoption and control of the implementation of ANY managerial and administrative decisions, election and re-election procedures, and mechanisms, within their competencies and division of labor. That is, the urban population, through its economic activities and DIRECT participation in local government bodies, becomes the direct CORPORATE OWNER of its district, city and region, and, indirectly, through the participation of working owners in the work of government bodies, the owner of the entire country. Only in this case will our population, who have become responsible collective owners, have material opportunities and the desire to pass on “their business” to their children.


    Firstly, this is an outright utopia. Yeah, they will share property and power with “qualified specialists”... by the way, what part of our population falls into this category?

    Secondly...by the way, how are things going with those with whom you have already shared, with all these middle and senior managers who have their own, albeit not fat, block of shares?
    I hope not like the character “SPIRIT”, who was quite wealthy, but didn’t think much about children?

    Let's look at the Scandinavian countries, where material wealth is quite at the level... what about the demographics, is everything OK?
  43. 0
    7 July 2024 16: 13
    They saw weights, but they know that they are not gold. But it’s scary to admit it even to ourselves, so they continue to nag.

    Nowhere in the urbanized world has it been possible to return the birth rate even to simple reproduction. By no means. A powerful social network, a high standard of living, and excellent medicine (as in France) do not help. “Traditional values”, religiosity and executions of gays (as in Iran) do not help. Even both together (as in the oil-tanking monarchies of the Gulf) do not help. People don't want to give birth in cities.
    1. +2
      7 July 2024 17: 09
      No need to talk about “peace”, “urbanization”. In the Russian Federation, the rise and fall of the birth rate depends on how the people live. In the 90s, because of Yeltsin and the “liberals,” the people became impoverished; in the XNUMXs, due to rising income from the export of natural resources, when Putin raised wages and pensions above real inflation, the birth rate grew, then these incomes became less, and the people no longer wages and pensions were raised above real inflation, and the birth rate began to fall.
      And in recent years, because of all this, the birth rate has collapsed to the level of the 90s.
  44. +4
    7 July 2024 17: 12
    2010 A 4th child appears in the family, my 2nd. The wife did not receive alimony for the eldest daughter; the eldest boy is his wife’s half-brother under her care. Income for 6 people: my salary is 25 rubles, guardianship benefits are 9 rubles, benefits for children are approximately: up to 3 years less than 3 rubles, over 3 years 90 something rubles. Fine? Ahh...!!! Maternity capital was somewhere around 450 tr. Nothing. Stupid. For that amount you could get a one-room apartment in a small town or a room in our city. By the way, I would cancel it. It is better to distribute it into monthly payments until the child reaches 18 years of age.
    Without our parents it would be a complete mess, especially thanks to my father-in-law. About 2 times a year I took the children, took them to the store, fully dressed them - put them in shoes, fed them constantly (when I lived in the next apartment). Now they say it seems to be better, but the fertility rate (birth rate) is still falling victoriously sad (((
  45. +3
    7 July 2024 18: 46
    Quote: Bayun
    . What time was it “traditional” for girls to get married in Rus'?

    It is impossible to evaluate past eras from the perspective of a modern person, applying modern moral principles to the Middle Ages and even to the recent past. In order to assert something like this, it is necessary to know and imagine at least the minimum of that time, living conditions, political situation and habitat. I’ll tell you the news that they got married very early from the age of 11-12, read, not necessarily scientific historical literature, at least fiction, then find out that at 40+ years old people were already considered very old. At that time there was a high infant mortality rate, every 3rd person survived, etc. and so on. All this required starting to give birth as early as possible in order to have time to give birth to children. Of course, this is only a small part of this issue and the reasons; by the way, similar traditions existed all over the world, regardless of the degree of civilization and culture.
  46. 0
    7 July 2024 19: 50
    Lots of text, lots of letters...
    1. The fact that there are prohibited flags in prisons is a problem that has a full name.
    2. Both with “Childfree” and with those who did not stand for the Russian Anthem, simply remove all benefits, child benefits... But our state is latent, for many reasons.
    3. ""The ban on the childfree phenomenon will not in any way affect the family's decision on whether to have a child or not, because the reasons for this can be very different. Some people don’t do this for financial reasons, others primarily..."
    3.1. Some people don't do this for financial reasons, THAT'S the first thing!!! The rest are minuscule in quantitative terms.
    4. When a senior deputy declares openly that you can live on pasta...
    Here are all of them at a salary of 30-40 rubles without a bonus and the opportunity to call “Ivan Ivanovich” to let a truck cross the border.. Then there will be a sense in everything and in the birth rate.
    5. Aviation is the engine of the economy. It is necessary to develop small aircraft (1-5 seats with a pilot) in Russia and Siberia, and your villages will come to life...
    6 And of course fuel is not 100 rubles per liter....
    1. 0
      7 July 2024 19: 52
      In Russia, few (I think) truly understand and even more sincerely advocate “Chaldfree”; rather, it is a convenient disguise for profit.. nothing more.
  47. 0
    7 July 2024 19: 58
    I agree that the formulation “ban the childfree movement in Russia” is extremely unfortunate and quite meaningless. Indeed, it does not officially exist as a movement or organization, which means there will be difficulties with implementation. But banning the propaganda of childlessness in Russia is quite possible and useful for the state.
  48. 0
    7 July 2024 20: 50
    Well, you press like women to give birth. Any taxes you can think of...
    And where, given the current child support laws, will these bitches find fathers for their children? There are no fools...
    1. +1
      7 July 2024 20: 57
      Let me clarify: Well, you will press like women to give birth. Any taxes you can think of...
      And where, given the current child support laws, will these bitches find fathers for their children? There are no fools... To increase the birth rate, alimony must be abolished. In return, assistance in the amount of 1 monthly wage from the state for all children, regardless of the family status and income of the parents.
      It would also be a good idea to limit social benefits only to families where both parents are citizens of the Russian Federation, born on the territory of the Russian Federation from citizens of the Russian Federation.
  49. -1
    7 July 2024 21: 17
    Let the state first take care to increase the incomes of families with children and provide them with sufficient housing space.
    Nowadays children are very expensive! Not everyone can afford to maintain them.
    Otherwise, only abbreviations and terms are prohibited. First, they would prohibit themselves from paying a gigantic salary
    1. 0
      8 July 2024 04: 35
      What comes first, the people or the state? Who begets whom? The state itself is a creation of society.

      Therefore, what a people is like, so is its state.
      1. 0
        8 July 2024 22: 54
        The state comes first. There are people who, at some point, somehow established power over some people. By the way, they may not belong to this people - there are more than examples in history.
        In most cases, the people's opinion of the state is very relative.
        But you, as you write, did this state ask you, as “the people”?
  50. 0
    7 July 2024 21: 21
    All true.
    Instead of providing the population with housing, transport, education, kindergartens...
    information noise about little-known “childfree”

    And then the hype will disappear, and the money will still remain in the pockets of “Elita”
    Were there ever such “family years”? but it's of little use
  51. +1
    7 July 2024 22: 22
    IMHO, the loss of the meaning of life is the main reason for the demographic gap. Glamor and money-grubbing are unable to fill the ringing emptiness...
  52. 0
    7 July 2024 22: 45
    What generated this demotivation to lead the way of life familiar to the Russian people: the formation of stable families based on lifelong monogamous marriage? The architects of all these programs and policies have not yet voiced any clear answer. There are actions, but there are no ideas about the reality they are aimed at transforming. It turns out interesting.
    But I don’t admit at all, of course, that in the highest echelons there is a genuine misunderstanding of what happened to all the peoples who in one way or another experienced the influence of Modernity. They know. They also know that it is impossible to bring the homunculus of the modern family back to life, because they themselves turn up their noses at egalite-emancipe when it comes to their own families.
  53. -1
    8 July 2024 00: 50
    What does it have to do with not helping? THIS is an ideology that is alien to us and artificially imposed on us. So ban it. For propaganda you will be given a dull saw and a plot of land in the taiga
  54. +1
    8 July 2024 04: 23
    Quote: tatra
    In the 90s, because of Yeltsin and the “liberals,” the people became poor, in the XNUMXs, due to rising income from the export of natural resources, when Putin raised wages and pensions above real inflation, the birth rate grew, then these incomes became less


    Alas, the main role in the slight increase in the birth rate was played not by the growth of real incomes in the “zeros”, but by the fact that the generation of the 80s entered the reproductive period, when there was, albeit a small, increase in the birth rate. Then the generation of the 90s entered the reproductive period, when there was a decline.
    In demography, processes are cyclical. Fewer parents means fewer children, respectively.

    With modern life guidelines, purely material measures will not help. If the population has more money, they will spend more on goods and pleasures, and on children - obviously not in the first place.

    "Capitalism is the kingdom of death and extinction."
    1. -1
      8 July 2024 04: 40
      Some are hindered by socialism and capitalism and revolutions and counter-revolutions and their state and their eggs.
    2. 0
      8 July 2024 11: 02
      There was no growth in real incomes; average per capita labor productivity decreased tenfold. Where did the income growth come from? Growth in consumption due to increased demand for natural resources due to the entry of an additional 2 billion workers into the global market. That's all.
  55. +2
    8 July 2024 04: 29
    Quote: ivan2022
    For this, as Alexander III said: “You need a Tsar and a whip in the hands of the Tsar.”
    A slave does nothing without an order. Even in the Soviet oath it was: “to come forward in defense when ordered.” A slave will not protect his mother without an order. And the Motherland too.
    They ordered him to build a great country, and he built it. They ordered it to be destroyed, and it was destroyed.


    The king and the slave are two sides of the same medal (embossed in the same metal). They cannot exist without each other.
    As long as there are kings, slaves will not go anywhere. If you want to get rid of slavery, get rid of the kings, otherwise it won’t work.
    Someone who only knows how to obey orders will never have a sense of responsibility. For a slave, this is an unnecessary luxury.

    Even if you order to give birth, the birth rate will increase slightly. There will simply be more abortions.
  56. 0
    8 July 2024 08: 15
    Quote: ivan2022
    Some are hindered by socialism and capitalism and revolutions and counter-revolutions and their state and their eggs.


    "May you live in an era of change!" (an ancient Chinese curse) laughing

    These few did not attack from the Moon.
    "It is impossible to live in society and be free from society."

    The devastation in our heads is a derivative of the devastation in the surrounding reality. Being still also determines consciousness.
    For those who have their eggs in the way, the demand is low. These are already problems of physiology. The question is why there are more and more of them...
  57. 0
    8 July 2024 08: 17
    Quote: ivan2022
    What comes first, the people or the state? Who begets whom? The state itself is a creation of society.


    Who comes first: the chicken or the egg?
    But in relation to a specific individual (and children are born not by society, but by specific individuals), the state, alas, is primary.
  58. 0
    8 July 2024 08: 21
    Quote: guest
    How did they decide in Israel?


    Partly due to religious fanaticism. Orthodox Judaism is very influential there and is taken into account.
    Partly due to the integration of the most loyal Palestinian Arabs into Israeli society. There are already more than 20% of them. I wonder how Israel will change when the Arab population becomes more than 50%.
  59. +1
    8 July 2024 10: 59
    Quote: Oleg Plenkin
    These “frameworks” for the population of our country, concentrated today in large, medium and small cities, due to the century-old “state” policy of de-peasantization,

    Where do you live, are you a lover of peasant life?
  60. 0
    8 July 2024 11: 48
    I see elementary distortion, the ban on the propaganda of “childfree” and the very reluctance to have children are two different things. In our country, the so-called leaders of public opinion are often imposing their values ​​with all their might.
  61. 0
    8 July 2024 13: 40
    Children are born by people, not by the state. The state’s task with the taxes that 145 million citizens give it is to create conditions for comfortable living and safety for the latter. There is comfort and safety - the birth rate is growing. In the meantime, the Motherland can only provide uncertainty and a planning horizon of a week. And initiatives (at the highest level) for which guest to cook shawarma (curtain)
  62. +1
    8 July 2024 14: 15
    They came up with a new “problem” - “childfree”, under which, perhaps, a state government will appear. budget and which can be successfully “cut”... For which I congratulate all Russians! State The Duma, as always, is mysterious, crafty and, in the Eastern sense, “subtle” and cunning..... Although the essence of the problem related to demography, childbirth, in particular, “lies on the surface”: give the Russian average confidence in the future, a decent income , virtually guaranteed and accessible, in the broadest sense of this concept: medicine, education, culture, social. protection, at least at the Soviet level, high-quality and affordable products and consumer goods, especially for children, public housing, ideologically understandable education - and the childbearing curve will go up... And so, everything will remain at the “wants” level individuals and the “wet dreams” of certain categories of ruling citizens, who are not very burdened, at the moment, with thoughts about keeping “cash” in their wallet or bank account.... As one satirist said: “We need to be simpler, closer to people - look and people will reach out to you...."
  63. +1
    8 July 2024 16: 13
    Now a woman has become much less dependent on a man, just like a man on a woman. High home automation - dishwasher, washing machine, pressure cooker, even robotic vacuum cleaners.
    A huge range of jobs where people began to earn enough to not have to take care of the house - look how the number of food deliveries has increased, for example.
    In big cities, women have actually become equal in terms of earning money. And they are not much different. The same IT where people flocked.
    People flock to these cities to join the financial flow.

    The institution of family is disappearing because the family is becoming less and less needed for survival in big cities. Both women and men.

    And the population is becoming increasingly urban. So it turns out - where they live well, there are no children - there is simply no need for them.
    And where people are forced to survive, the institution has not gone away.

    And I don’t see how this can be stopped. Globally.
    1. -1
      9 July 2024 02: 20
      Maybe you don't see because you're looking in the wrong place?

      It's just the opposite. It is the Russian people who are forced to “survive” on their land in the richest country in the World among the wonders of science of the 21st century. And he gives birth to few children. Unlike the Asians and Caucasians who live nearby. Isn't it strange?

      So “it wasn’t about the reel...” and not at all about “stopping it. Globally.”
      It is understandable, you are busy with global problems... and you don’t see what’s under your nose.

      But the Bible says directly:
      ".. If you reject the commandments of the Lord... A people will come whose language you do not know, and they will become the head, and you will be their tail,... And you will become a horror and a byword and a laughing stock among all nations."
      /Deuteronomy chapter 28./

      It's simple. Slaves, who, by order, can create and then senselessly destroy their State, are being replaced by peoples capable of self-organization, capable of nominating mentally normal people as their leaders.... And not pathological maniacs, traitors and thieves.

      This has become the main thing today, and not the execution of all the idiotic orders of the bosses. By the way, Saltykov-Shchedrin wrote about such an end back in the 19th century. .
  64. -1
    9 July 2024 00: 56
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    hi The destruction of the foundations of the family is the destruction of the very nature of existence of rational humanity.
    We will degenerate like mammoths...and people like Soros, instead of families, will push through the artificial conception of children and cultivate artificial intelligence...indeed, Satan will begin to celebrate his ball after this victory over humanity.
    Therefore, it is necessary, for our survival, to fight all manifestations of the destruction of the forces of Mother Nature.
    You cannot replace the evolution of humanity with revolutions of all stripes, ugly metastases of our existence will appear... the road to Hell is paved with good wishes.

    Amazing!
    But your messages are again furiously downvoted by the Zionist henchmen!
    Everything is bad for them, as long as more Jews are born!

    Burn Zionism and its fierce manifestations with a hot iron - childfree and other sodomy!
  65. 0
    9 July 2024 20: 31
    "Childfree" must be persecuted, just like radical feminism and feminism in general. It is necessary not only to financially stimulate the birth of children and to encourage women to leave work (the latter, in our economic situation, should not be done), we need to punish for the absence of children, both economically and not only economically, we need to fight abortion , we need to pursue left-liberal ideas in all forms. The Iranians (under Khamenei) and the Afghans (recently under the Taliban) were able to format society in a year and force women (already hooked on feminist fantasies) to remember the values ​​of Islam. It's actually not that difficult. Suffice it to recall the story with various kinds of foreign agents, relocants, etc. But until recently they seemed untouchable.
  66. +1
    10 July 2024 10: 25
    Stop discriminating against fathers and men in the Anti-Family Code. 90% of divorces are initiated by women. This is SOOOOO beneficial to them, not to men. Divorce db is NOT legally beneficial. Cancellation of housing alimony, control and reporting on the expenditure of alimony, limiting the upper limit of amounts, after a divorce, joint custody 50:50, and not “children only with their mother.” Promoting modesty and integrity. Recognition of the priority and risk of men in the economy when creating surplus product. Restrictions in state and municipal government. Stop appointing judges, leave only those who are sooooo capable and talented, with a male type of thinking, and without emotions. If you are childless or have filed for divorce, then retire at the same time as men. Restoring the reasonable primacy of the husband and father in the family. By excluding Western elements of juvenile justice and bullying of men and fathers, including “family and domestic violence,” the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is sufficient for all occasions. Banning feminism, recognizing it as extremism, raising traditional values ​​to the norm of law. A ban on the unconditional Nazi priority (benefits, privileges, rights, exemption from duties, everyone is obliged to her, all men are slaves without rights, the supreme being) of the female sex over the male. A ban on informational gypsy bloggers, psycholoonies, experts on achieving female happiness and she deserves the best.
    Introduce criminal liability for false paternity into the Criminal Code. Include in the Civil Code and the IC of the Russian Federation a rule on the return of overpaid alimony or illegally received from the moment of the birth of the bastard. Recovery of all expenses in favor of the man. The obligation of women to undergo a DNA test at the request of the “father”. Abortions should be excluded from free compulsory health insurance, only for a fee. Restore the same punishments for the same crimes in the Criminal Code and practice, introduce serving sentences in prisons, strict regime, special regime. Remove from TV, cinema, advertising the scheme “a man is a maniac, an idiot, a mediocrity, a clown, a dumbass, a criminal, a servant, a slave, and a woman is gold and smart, she is always in trouble and needs to be saved even at the expense of the death of men.
    I wrote about the top, mentioned very little and revealed almost nothing.
  67. 0
    12 July 2024 20: 00
    Yes, any comment in the style of “live solo without children” should be punishable by 5 years, minimum.
  68. 0
    14 July 2024 21: 39
    Shot into the void: how the childfree ban could affect demographics in Russia
    You do not.