Cossacks of the XXI century. Part of 1

I decided to write this article after reading this opus "Who can and should become a modern Russian Cossack?" (Http://topwar.ru/24417-httpyoungrzdrudbmmimages4140805929625.html)

And after all, really, what are the Cossacks in modern Russia at this moment? Roughly speaking, the society was divided into two parts: 1) as many say, "mummers" and 2) is a force that is on guard of Russia. To argue who is right and who is not is not my goal, I just want to convey my idea to you. The idea of ​​converting from 1-x (charged) to 2-x (force, dangerous force). So, let's begin.

First of all, we will transform all Cossack troops into mobile brigades of constant combat readiness. For example, the Amur Cossack army can be transformed into the 1 Amur Cossack brigade of constant combat readiness. At the same time, it will be necessary to create a new branch of service - the Cossack Troops of the Russian Federation (further - KV RF). They must obey the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, for example, Colonel-General I.I.

So what is the goal of such a transformation? The main goal is the creation of universal troops capable of conducting not only offensive, but also defensive military actions (I will write about the use of the strategy, as well as more detail about the strategy of their use in the next article "Cossacks of the 21st Century. Part 2."). In this connection, it will be necessary to equip this army with the newest Russian weaponsable to conduct "universal" hostilities (I will also write about weapons in the next article).

The Cossack officer must be a stronghold of moral morality, have a sense of patriotism, courage, be an example for the younger generation.

Now, regarding the personnel: Russian citizens are accepted from the 18 years in the HF of the Russian Federation who have the health category A and passed the physical culture exam for 4 and 5 (The exam includes running 3 km, running 100 m, pulling up. Standards are general). Zest KV RF:The Cossack must repay a debt to the Motherland: for ordinary Cossacks, the service life is 5 years, for non-commissioned officers - 10 years, for officers - 20 years. But (!), If an officer wishes to continue his service, he can write a report in the name of the brigade commander in order to transfer him to "secondary service", that is, the officer can become an educator in the Cossack cadet corps, having passed a strict professional selection and soon you will understand why

And here we are smoothly turned to education. If an incomplete and complete secondary, specialized secondary education goes for an ordinary Cossack composition, then in order to go into the category of "sergeant" and "officer", you will have to graduate from a special military Cossack school. For example, the Stavropol Higher Military Cossack School named after Yermak Timofeevich (UMCU named after Yermak Timofeevich). But if a young man (~ 15 years old) wants to become more familiar with the Cossack service, he can enter the Cossack cadet corps. For example, Stavropol Cossack Cadet Corps (SCC). Training should be based on 10 and 11 class. In this school, he will be introduced to the Cossack historytraditions will prepare for the service. Now, regarding the "serious professional selection": what is it for? The answer is simple: the teacher will be obliged to strictly monitor the behavior of their wards. Drank and smoked? WELL DONE! With the whole body, shoulder straps are torn off, the body of the offending guilty. Decided to arrange hazing and show the spirits of their place? FINE! The procedure is the same. Moreover, the reason for his departure is recorded in the student’s personal file. Yes, cruel, I do not argue. But only this way you can bring up a decent officer.

And here is the end of this treatise (a beautiful lyrical digression): Cossacks are equated with the rest of the servicemen of the Russian Army. They will be provided with the same benefits and privileges, the same salary, pension. And another small highlight of my "reform": in the TF of the Russian Federation only people of Russian nationality should undergo it. You, dear readers, ask: "Why is that?", I will answer. The answer is as simple as an orange: no one else can become a Cossack except Russian (I am not a Nazi, nor a racist). Note: by “Russian people” I understand people from three countries: Russia, Belarus, Ukraine.

This is how I see the “Cossack of the 21st Century”. I look forward to your feedback, suggestions and questions in the comments, the most interesting ones I will discuss in my next article.

Comments

[apro]

Well, it’s clear that ethnically clean and where to go to Yakuts Buryats Kalmyks Chuvash Bashkirs organize their horde?

[calculator]

It's actually about the Cossacks ....

[apro]

And I'm talking about the fact that the creation of national militarized units subordinate to unknowns is fraught with interethnic tension with unpredictable consequences.

[calculator]

Then it is absolutely necessary to ban the Cossacks?

[apro]

Absolutely absolutely we need to know what we want to create if another state structure is why the heck so they go in bulk to stumble over each other and are completely irresponsible., Such a club for the interests of Toda, why do they need the powers of law enforcement agencies, the national-political force is also not clear to us, and so we have one decides and does not favor superfluous

[calculator]

As a real serviceman, when I quit my service, because of my unwillingness to continue it in the High Paper Readiness (BH) troops, I am ready to continue it in These structures .... realizing my involvement in the Great .... and not carrying my cards in my pocket taking into account any inconceivable x ... and. And on the account of other national minorities, I am completely sure that every nation has no less heroic formations, and if the Cossack division is replaced by the Bashkir Division on Combat Watch, I will only be happy for my Mogradradalnaya Motherland-MOTHER.

[skrgar]

apro,
What are we talking about? What are the national paramilitary units? Cossacks from time immemorial (about 700 years old) have a "military way of life, genetic experience" ".. An example of the Bashkirs, and even more so the Buryats ... and the Yakuts, all the more, as it is not even correct .. And the Cossacks will figure it out themselves .. and everyone will be fine ..

[apro]

Russia went through this stage by creating a supranational state and its structures and it is fraught with yes and why, it is necessary to unite and defend their interests by legal methods. Today, the surge in interest in the Cossacks in the regions bordering the Caucasus is due to interethnic tension and distrust of local leaders, but in most cases and law enforcement officers and government officials are ethnic Russians and descendants of the Cossacks, but they don’t want to protect their population or don’t want to solve all this, it’s necessary that this leadership go through and defend its interests more widely.

[calculator]

Golden words ...

Quote: apro

this very leadership will go around and defend their interests more widely.

[andrejwz]

Quote: calculator

It’s actually about the Cossacks ...

And tell me, dear, when one of the components of the Radzivilov annals of the so-called Zadonshchina refers to the horde of the Zalesskaya army Mamaevo, it’s about whom. You consider the Cossacks (historically) not the descendants of the horde (I’m not talking about the Mongol-Tatars that we heard from school, matured but didn’t find any traces either in the language or in the documents that reached us).
At the same time, in the 19th and early 20th centuries, foreigners, under a number of certain conditions, fell under the charters of the Cossacks, and as such were declared with all rights and obligations to the Russian State.
And their bliss was not attached to their nationality in any way (since they passed by separate and not national territories). Thus, the Cossack was a Cossack outside the territory only in the service, and not so that he declared himself a Cossack and even though the grass did not grow.

[Horde]

andrejwz,

in one of the components of the Radzivilov annals of the so-called Zadonshchina, the talk is about the horde driven by the Zalesskaya army of Mamaev, so this is about

mixed everything up, the Radzivilovskiy Chronicle is a story from the 9th-13th century, Zadonshchina describes the events of the 14th-15th centuries.

At the same time, in the 19th and early 20th centuries, foreigners, under a number of certain conditions, fell under the charters of the Cossacks, and as such were declared with all rights and obligations to the Russian State.

what evidence do you have about this?

[Horde]

Quote: apro

Well, it’s clear that ethnically clean and where to go to Yakuts Buryats Kalmyks Chuvash Bashkirs organize their horde?

Why are you so worried about the Buryats and Yakuts that they NEVER had Cossack troops, that means there are no traditions, and therefore shouldn’t exist now. Kalmyks have always been helpers of the Russian troops in all wars, the question is somewhat different, you can consider the representation of the Kalmyk people in the Cossack troops.
In general, Cossack troops should receive SIGNIFICANT RIGHTS for imposing ORDER in our declining society. Up to PUBLIC punishment for drunkenness, drugs, sexual licentiousness-whims. All this will only benefit the society. Cossacks should be governed, then RUSSIAN ONLY the basics, traditions and ORDER on our land will be respected. Cossacks must have a representative office in power in order to be able to INFLUENCE the society with LEGAL measures.

[Armata]

Quote: Horde

Why are you so worried about the Buryats and Yakuts they had NEVER Cossack troops means there are no traditions

And why are these peoples not having their own culture? Or have they never fought? Or how to satisfy your self-esteem you "Heir to the Great Cossacks" are ready to dig everyone else into the manure? Do you know that your Cossack Ermak was afraid to engage in open battle with the indigenous Urals (Voguls). The Tsar entrusted most of the conquest operations to the Cossacks for the loot. Before chasing the rest on your pants, see if they are dirty.

[Horde]

Quote: Mechanic

And why these peoples do not have their own culture? Or have they never fought?

what is it for whom not tackle everyone has a "great culture", that's just why it is ALWAYS in the distant past:
The Romans owned half of the OYKUMEN conquered everyone they could reach, modern Italians militarily just a miserable parody of great ancestors.
-Greeks- waged successful wars with the Persians, where they took metals copper, tin FOR THOUSANDS OF TONS HISTORY IS SILENT. There is no FOREST on the territory, but according to history the most powerful fleet smashed Persian to smithereens. Modern Greece is just a pathetic stub of the heritage of warlike glorious ancestors, and the people are culturally so-so.
-Kazakhs- in the first millennium already had their EMPIRE THUNDERING NEIGHBORS to the right and to the left, but only the name of KAZAKHI appeared, ONLY IN the 20th century.
-Vogul -Say also the glorious warlike people, it’s a pity that everything is again in the past and on paper. I couldn’t Ermak Timofeevich with his hundred IMMEDIATELY Vogul people had to fight gradually.
- A special place in this list is occupied by the PROTHERS, this is UKRA because they were before all and of course now have the greatest rights in the ranks of peoples
wherever you spit, wherever you poke every modern trifle like Israel, everyone has a MILLENNIUM PAST and heroic military merit

[Armata]

Quote: Horde

what is it for whom not tackle everyone has a "great culture", that's just why it is ALWAYS in the distant past:
The Romans owned half of the OYKUMEN conquered everyone they could reach, modern Italians militarily just a miserable parody of great ancestors.

Recall a new story. During the Second World War, a separate sniper battalion. There were only Yakuts, Chukchi, Koryaks, Voguls. My grandfather told me how they fought. and now all these people will remember how their grandfathers fought. And what will the mummers do with them? or is it cool to put on a parody of a St. George’s not earned cross?

[Horde]

Mechanic,
for the "mummers" minus you the Mechanic because this is an insult, and it is unfair. The Cossacks count HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF GLORIOUS history. The numerous victories of Russia in wars are, first of all, Cossack victories. In every war, no matter what Russia was waged, Cossacks always that the Voguls had a noticeable influence on the battles of the enemies, as history does not note.

And what will the mummers do with them?

What should I do? I have to take the whips and show who the truth is for

[Armata]

Quote: Horde

for the "mummers" minus you Mechanic

Yes, on the drum. I saw it myself.

Quote: Horde

and it’s unfair. Cossacks count Hundreds of years of glorious history.

Again. What only do they have this story and victory?

Quote: Horde

Russia's numerous victories in wars are, first of all, Cossack victories.

Debatable. Yes, the merit of the Cossack troops is great, but like everyone under the benches at that time was hiding. There are also black pages. For example, the Cossacks of the same Ermak killed everyone who did not join him. There are many facts of looting, robberies of violence in our Urals, namely Cossacks. Why do you think they were slaughtered by whole villages and burned their houses in the Urals? I will answer. Because they lived here mainly by robbery and robbery. So do not block these mummers. They are just too lazy to work, but I want to eat. So they come up with how to do nothing and get money for it.

[Horde]

Quote: Mechanic

For example, the Cossacks of the same Ermak killed everyone who did not join him. There are many facts of looting, robberies of violence in our Urals, namely Cossacks. Why do you think they were slaughtered by whole villages and burned their houses in the Urals?

The conquest of Siberia by Yermak is a long-standing affair and too much rubbish has been written in the TI. What drew you to consider offenses in the 16th century? Maybe it is better to remember what in the 19th and 20th centuries the Americans did to the indigenous population of America, so I will remind you, I DESTROY I CLEAN UP. But in the Russian Empire, all the peoples are SAVED, both small and mid-sized. Sometimes you think, "Did our Cossacks, our ancestors, do the right thing, what did the aborigines leave?, you see, now NOBODY would have been compassing our brains.

[Armata]

Quote: Horde

.Sometimes you think, "Did our Cossacks-ancestors do the right thing, that they left the natives?"

I could safely remove this post for inciting ethnic hatred. But I won’t. Just answer me one question. Why are your favorite Cossacks better than conquistadors? Both of them chased after the riches of an ALIEN EARTH. Here it is the true face of modern Cossacks.

Quote: Horde

The conquest of Siberia by Ermak is a long-standing affair, and TI has written too much nonsense.

Go to the local history museum in Yekaterinburg. There are reliable data on how he caught Voguls and tore off their skin. So if you do not see reliable evidence on the Internet, this does not mean that they are not. And the best part is that as long as he passed through the Urals, half of his troops permer.

Quote: Horde

, you look now we would have NOBODY HAD BRAINS NOT COMPASSED.

Kama to you? You are yelling that the Cossacks are not Russian, but in general a separate people.

[Horde]

Mechanic,

I could safely remove this post for inciting ethnic hatred.

what is this for? I did not call for the destruction of anyone, and even unlike some, I did not insult anyone (mummers), but only remembered how things were going between the government-Cossacks and the local population.

Why are your favorite Cossacks better than conquistadors?

what were better? and the fact that, unlike the American Indians, Voguls still exist.

Both of them chased after the riches of an ALIEN EARTH.

not a single land or territory will NEVER be considered OWN unless the people living in it can defend their land in the war. Only that nation that is able to defend its Fatherland will claim to be called the OWNER of these lands.

Go to the local history museum in Yekaterinburg. There are reliable data on how he caught Voguls and tore off their skin.

Well, it’s hard for me to do it. I live in Moscow. Maybe you will be so kind and present this evidence in the form of texts and photographs?

Kama to you? You are yelling that the Cossacks are not Russian, but in general a separate people.

This is a difficult question...

[Armata]

Quote: Horde

what were better? and the fact that, unlike the American Indians, Voguls still exist.

There were no more than 200 people left, but there were more than 18000. How do you like such facts ?. The famous Verkhoture was built on the bones of the Vogul natural boundary. There in the basement of Trinity in the basement are still idols. Do you know how his Yermak found this city? Here is one more fact. He sent for 2 the sons of the sorcerer of his deacon with the detachment. They walked for a week (well, in those days 400km in the taiga it was not so easy to go). They tracked it down, then staged a complete slaughter there, moreover, they spared neither children nor women, but destroyed the tract. Then there, supposedly, a city with temples was built on the holy land of the Voguls, and the soul swept into paradise. Then they found their saint (Verkhotursky Semion) and how it relates to this. And he could delete only for the phrase.Sometimes you think, "Did our Cossacks, our ancestors, do the right thing, that they left the aborigines? You see, now NOBODY WOULD be compassing our brains."
.

[Nagaibak]

Mechanic "There are no more than 200 of them left, but there were more than 18000. How do you like these facts ?."
Guys you have already hit the epic and in the yard. The Voguls are none other than the Mansi people. About 7 thousand of them live on the territory of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug. Khanty-Mansiysk was originally called Ostyako-Vogulsk before you crap read books. Ostyaks are Khanty, I already inform you for every fireman, that they would know and not be disgraced. Damn, and the Samoyeds are NENTS. And they will still write about "not known" peoples.

[uhjpysq1]

here, the administrators picked inadequate.

[Horde]

Quote: Mechanic

There were no more than 200 people left, and there were more than 18000. How do you like such facts?

and what do you think 16000 vogul Yermak destroyed?

Here is one more fact. He sent for his 2 sons the sorcerer of his deacon with a detachment. They walked for a week (well, in those days, 400 km in the taiga was not so easy to pass). They tracked it down, then arranged there in full rezim, and they did not spare either children or women, well, they destroyed the tract

let's already have enough evidence in vain to grind rubbish in language.

Sometimes you think, "Did our Cossacks, our ancestors, do the right thing, that they left the aborigines? You see, now NOBODY WOULD be compassing our brains."
.

I told you this with anger in response to the insults that you inflict on the Cossacks, and the main words on which you chose not to notice

It may be better to recall what the Americans did with the indigenous population of America in the 19th and 20th centuries, so I will remind you - DESTROYED TO CLEAN. But in the Russian Empire, all nations are SAVED, small and very small

you, as representatives of small nationalities, should decide who you want to be with the Americans? and the sad experience of the Indians did not teach you anything? or all the same, 400let lived with the Russians all the same.

[Armata]

Quote: Horde

let's already have enough evidence in vain to grind rubbish

Yes, go to the museum of the Urals. Although this is difficult for you, tickets are probably expensive, as much as 4000 for 2,5 hours of flight.

Quote: Horde

and what do you think 16000 vogul Yermak destroyed?

Damn next time I’ll go with the child and really take a picture of even the instruments of torture. There is everything from classic uniforms to what they used to pacify the rebellious. There is even a boat on which they rafted along the rivers

Quote: Horde

I told you this with anger in response to the insults that you inflict on the Cossacks, and the main words on which you chose not to notice

I did not offend the real Cossacks, but those whom you consider them to be. The real Cossacks (and not the Cossacks) were commanded by the chieftain Platov and others like him. But now there are only those who shout, walk in formation at parades (which no one needs) and asks for money.

Quote: Horde

you, as representatives of small nationalities, should decide who you want to be with the Americans? and the sad experience of the Indians did not teach you anything? or all the same, 400let lived with the Russians all the same.

Read carefully who I am by nationality and whom I consider Russian. So there is nothing to argue with you about. You are just a populist who does not care about everything as soon as you are right.

[Horde]

Mechanic,

I did not offend the real Cossacks, but those whom you consider them to be.

life itself will put everything in its place who is real and who isn’t yours, it’s better for you with your biased approach not to interfere with what you can’t understand.

You are just a populist who does not care about everything as soon as you are right.

I’m doing a little bit of history and not only alternative, so I know something about the Cossacks. Blackening Cossacks means blackening the glorious military past of Russia.

[Nagaibak]

Mechanic "There is reliable data on how he caught Voguls and flayed their skin."
This is apparently something new. Please enlighten about the removal of Ermak skin from poor voguls. Dear Horde, I have to admit that your views on Russian history are less bloodthirsty than that of the Mechanic ... Hehe heh, this is necessary .. You say conquistadors .. Hehe.

[Armata]

Quote: Nagaibak

This is apparently something new. Please enlighten about the removal of Ermak skin from poor voguls. Dear Horde, I have to admit that your views on Russian history are less bloodthirsty than that of the Mechanic ... Hehe heh, this is necessary .. You say conquistadors .. Hehe.

Well, if you live in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, then at least sometimes make sure what you are talking about. Here is what is written in the Urals Museum of Local Lore. "Voguls. Indigenous inhabitants of the Northern and Middle Urals. They differed from the northern peoples in their way of life and appearance. The Ural Voguls had Mongoloid features. They lived in small tribal groups. They led the way of life as gatherers and hunters. The whole life of the Voguls was tied to the taiga. The way of hunting. :
- Self-arrows on animal trails
- Silk from bear veins, on small animals
- Bows from a single piece of wood
Gathering:
- The roots of medicinal plants
- wild oats
- Ramson, St. John's wort and other edible herbs. "
(Quote from the stand about the indigenous inhabitants of the Urals)
And where did you see this in Khanty Mansiysk? I go there regularly. I have not seen anything like it at all. So read more books and go to museums. Unless, of course, you live near the Urals, and not how the Horde, living in Moscow, tells everyone about the coolness of the Cossacks.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Mechanic

- Ramson, St. John's wort and other edible herbs. "
(Quote from the stand about the indigenous inhabitants of the Urals)
And where did you see this in Khanty Mansiysk? I go there regularly. I have not seen anything like it at all.

So how do you imagine gathering wild garlic in Khanty-Mansiysk?
Do you think that Voguls (Mansi) are not able to get an education, learn workers and other professions and live in cities? So should collectors and hunters lead a way of life in small tribal groups?
And their appearance is really Mongoloid. And the last Mansi, who live in the taiga in the Northern Urals, prefer a hunting rifle and a trap to self-arrows on animal trails. And then tourists on those trails are now more than animals!

[Nagaibak]

Once again for especially gifted residents of the Urals I repeat, Voguly, Mansiblin !!! What did you bring the poster for? Apparently you draw your knowledge from wall inscriptions? Before the revolution, the Russians called the Mansi people Vogulami !! In the end, the names of rivers and lakes in the north of the Sverdlovsk region and in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug are identical. You say the Ural Voguls. It’s like the Ural Russians, or the Siberian Russians. Sounds so understand? They lived in the Urals and the western part of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, where they still live. It was just that during the colonization of the Urals, the Russians drove them east into the territory of the present Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug. That's all. There was the Pelymsky town, so they initially raided the Russian settlements, and here they were flooded in the taiga.

[Horde]

Quote: Nagaibak

Dear Horde, I have to admit that your views on Russian history are less bloodthirsty than that of a Mechanic ... Hehe, hey ... Well, you say conquistadors .. Hehe.

thanks for the support!

[Armata]

Quote: Horde

What should I do? I have to take the whips and show who the truth is for

Well, try it. Like only you are cool. And if something like Black Knives is organized (a separate volunteer Ural tank corps). So here we have Izhevsk and Tagil. Yes, even Uralavtomatika near at hand and Ufa (for Bashkir’s reference) do jet engines. What do you cast in tin orders? You know better shut up. No need to drive that you are guarding the Dzhigitovka, the wheelhouse and others like him.

[Horde]

Quote: Mechanic

So here we have Izhevsk and Tagil. Yes, even even Uralavtomatika is at hand.

and that Izhevsk and Tagil led by warlike voguls will rise against Russia? It seems you got angry from anger, do not need fairy tales.

cast tin orders

on the territory of Russia there are many museums in which there are REAL awards, for VALENCE, HEROISM FOR THE GOOD FATHERLAND.

"The Cossacks did a lot for the Glory of Russia. They were true defenders and liberators of the fatherland."
General Morand (French)
"The Cossacks in 1812-1815 did more for Russia than her entire Army."
General of the British Army Nolan.
"The Don Cossacks are the best of all light troops. Russia has always extracted the maximum benefit from them in wars."
"All the numerous cavalry gathered under the banner of the Great Corsican (Napoleon),
died mainly under the blows of the Cossacks of Ataman Platov. "
gene. De Barth, (French)

"Having got used to always consider the Hungarian cavalry the first in the world, after the attack I saw by General Ilovaisky,
I must give the advantage to the Cossacks over the Hungarian cavalry. "
gene. Vinsegorod (French army)

"We must give justice that Russia owes the successes of the Cossacks in this war."
gene. Collencourt (Minister of Napoleon).

And the Great Napoleon himself, when the Cossacks nearly took him prisoner at Maloyaroslavets, he said: "Give me only the Cossacks, and I will go through the whole World with them!"
Napoleon.

[Drosselmeyer]

Well, of course, and the rest of the Russian army was simply listed as extras. Do you know why the Cossacks did not capture Napoleon? They just started robbing his convoy. In 1812, it was not the Cossacks who won the war, but the Russian infantry.

[Nagaibak]

Dear Horde, I agree with you that the Cossacks were certainly the best light cavalry in the world! But the war was won and always bore the brunt of the fighting part of the Russian linear infantry. Although of course the help from the Cossacks was great for the army. Although, of course, the Cossack could not fight on equal terms with the French regular cavalry, due to the fact that the Cossacks were not intended for such fights.

[Tersky]

Quote: Horde

And why these peoples do not have their own culture

Quote: Horde

Voguls - speak the glorious warlike people too, it’s a pity that everything is again in the past and on paper.

Guys, what are you like small children, every nation or class has its own skeletons in the closet. "He lifted himself up and said to them: who among you is without sin, first cast a stone at her. ”.

[Nagaibak]

Horde "-Voguls -speak, too, a glorious warlike people, it's a pity that everything is again in the past and on paper. Ermak Timofeevich couldn't with his hundred IMMEDIATELY the Vogul people had to fight gradually."
Actually, he fought with the Siberian Tatars. Although in your alternative story everything can be.

[Nagaibak]

Horde "why are you so concerned about the Buryats and Yakuts, they never had Cossack troops, so there are no traditions now. Kalmyks, however, have always been assistants of the Russian troops in all wars, the question is somewhat different, you can consider the representation of the Kalmyk people in the Cossacks troops. "
There were many Buryats in the Transbaikal Cossack army. I don’t remember exactly 20 percent of the army. Kalmyks were in Astrakhan, Orenburg, it seems a small amount in the Ural and Don. Cossack troops. Bashkirs were in the third division of the Orenburg Cossack army. In the 1st division of OKV of the Tatars, Mohammedans were 20 percent. In the second 5% and in the third 9-10%. There was a Cossack regiment in Yakutsk, but I won’t say whether there were Yakuts in it.

[GP]

In dangerous years, mainly from the Tatars and Bashkirs, separate regiments were recruited, according to a principle similar to the Cossacks "in full equipment, purchased at the expense of donations from fellow villagers", then they were disbanded, some remained in service, joining the Cossack units. Considering that they fought shoulder to shoulder, it is not surprising that the Cossacks welcomed their military comrades-in-arms.

[Nagaibak]

GP "then disbanded, some remained in service, joining the Cossack units."
Tatar regiments were disbanded after the war of 1812. Bashkir regiments remained until the 30s of the 19th century. Bashkirs were in the position of Cossack troops. Bashkirs living in what is now Bashkiria entered their regiments formed according to the cantonal system. Those Bashkirs who lived on the territory of the Orenburg Cossack army were Cossacks OKV. And the Bashkirs in Bashkiria were equated with the Cossacks. But they were not Cossacks. Somewhat confusing, but somehow. They did not massively pour into the Cossack units, as they had their own regiments.

[DeerIvanovich]

you need to read carefully, and not invent fables: "Note: by" Russian people "I mean people from three countries: Russia, Belarus, Ukraine."
that is, all multinational Fatherland

[Horde]

Quote: DeerIvanovich

you need to read carefully, and not invent fables

I wonder who are you talking to?

[DeerIvanovich]

actually the user is addressed apro, have nature also taken care of you by care?

[Horde]

Quote: DeerIvanovich

actually the user is addressed apro, have nature also taken care of you by care?

teach you how to debate in forums? or maybe you guess ...

[DeerIvanovich]

if you’re planning to teach, take it easy to decide how to turn to a stranger: you or you!

[apro]

And for me, the Russian people are all living on our territory and not spoiling a common cauldron. That’s why sovo Russia is a detachment of soldiers gathered for the common cause on the boats, led by a prince or khan.

[DeerIvanovich]

the way it is!

[aviamed90]

The army of the Russian Empire has always had military units, units, and even formations based on nationality.

[Dmitry23RUS]

the army of the 19th century appeared in Russia =))) in the 21st century. Cool !! Soon we will collect the Bogatyrs in Russia, Knights and Sagittarius with axes =))) But seriously, they have shit form, we patrol the streets in Krasnodar, very often the police surrender non-Russians, they often catch Asians with drugs, but their uniform is horrible. ... It was necessary, as for the special forces to give them a uniform, and would have been prettier. both modern and attractive for young people. And they do the right job. It is necessary to fight against ethnic crime, they bought cops, but they won’t buy Cossacks, because the homeland is not for sale from patriots.

[Zybrov]

March 3 at 12.00 an All-Russian rally in support of the unjustly convicted Yevgeny Strigin will be held

On the night of January 2 to 3, 2011, Eugene had a conflict with a group of drunken Karachais because of an incorrectly parked car. Karachays started a fight. Eugene and his friend Vitaly Gezhin fought off the attackers, but they soon returned with reinforcements. A gang of eleven people began to break into the house of Eugene, where his wife and two young children were, threatening them with murder. A fierce fight ensued again. Vitaly Gezhin was knocked to the ground, beaten with their feet and tried to move the car, which reversed. Eugene Strigin managed to break free, run into the house and return with a hunting rifle loaded with shot and buckshot. Defending his friend and his family, he fired twice at the car. One of the attackers, Hamid Bostanov, died. Eugene shot at the car, not aiming. The fact that the small fraction, breaking through the trunk of the car and the back of the rear seat, killed Bostanov, who was sitting behind (who Eugene could not see in the dark), can be explained only by accident. Nobody could have foreseen this.

But the investigation completely sided with the prosecution: Eugene Strigin was accused of intentional murder. Not only that: he was also charged with attempted murder of the remaining Karachais who were in the car. It turned out that with two aimless shots (there were only two rounds in the gun), Evgeny Strigin hoped to kill four people in the car!

On the other hand, the investigation refused to admit the facts of the attack on Strigin’s house and attempted murder of Gezhin. Eugene Strigin was denied full psychiatric examination, although at the time of the shot he was in a state of passion.

Those. according to the investigation, there is no question of any extenuating circumstance: self-defense, the protection of children and a wife, the salvation of friends who are beaten to death.

Several friends of Strigin were arrested. They were beaten at the police department, demanding that they recognize themselves as an organized criminal group that committed murder out of national hatred. All of them had to be released. But no investigation into torture and beatings is ongoing.

The “victims” of the Karachais themselves stood up for Eugene at the trial and asked not to deprive him of his freedom. Apparently, a conscience woke up in them. But even this did not help Eugene.

The court constantly rejects the application for review of the case. The only thing that can help Eugene now is wide publicity and public intervention.

We urge all concerned citizens to support a real Russian man, a worthy father and husband, a hereditary Cossack who was unjustly sentenced to 9 years in a maximum security colony!

Our joint efforts can achieve a review of the cannibalistic sentence. We demand an objective consideration of the case of Yevgeny Strigin with a change in the illegally applied criminal article to 108 - excess of self-defense, which is true! We demand strict implementation of the Law, which is uniform for all citizens of Russia! We demand not to allow the serving of punishment by Yevgeny Strigin in the territory of the North Caucasus!

FRIENDS ! ! ! APPLICATIONS FOR RALLATIONS SUBMIT YOURSELF! AT THE RALLIES ALREADY LATE - DELIVER ON PICKETS! ! ! Connect with the Cossacks of your cities! If you can’t get together, DO IT YOURSELF! do not be inactive! we must be active!

[does it]

Quote: apro

Well it’s clear that ethnically clean

then they simply must know their pedigree to the fifth knee, excellent health, healthy teeth and not any vision problems.

[DERWISH]

to the author ++++ as a resident of the Kuban I support all 100

[Dmitry23RUS]

In front of the Gallery, in front of my eyes, they took three Asians with grass and a gunshot, suddenly came up, immediately twisted them, called up the cops, searched them and made them look surprised =))

[Ragnarek]

The message in the article is sound, but the organization needs to be finalized. in my opinion you need to turn to the royal experience

[skrgar]

Ragnarek,
Yes, the fact of the matter is that the tsarist experience will not be fully returned .. For self-sufficiency, the Cossack will give everyone land, and not small, allotments? Commercial real estate? .. This is already unrealistic .. But if we return to the "origins" ... That is since the time of Ivan the Terrible, when the full financing of both the Cossack and the members (per capita) of his family was .. So this is completely different money than now the military .. Accordingly, again, already among the military, there will be discontent .. "Wow !! How much are paid to the Cossacks! !! ".... We need to think ... for us.

[Ragnarek]

Well, by the way, land plots for the agricultural farm can be allocated free of charge, especially closer to the border. you can find funds for an interest-free loan with an installment plan of 10 years and a first payment in 2-3 years. but these are all measures to stimulate demography and attract the Slavic population. As for the formations - why not include Cossack units in the BB system.

[Narkom]

It may be in the Kuban, but in our region there are THREE Cossack troops, the Central, Reserve and Donskoy and the Cossack in a rank below the coronet did not see, and so basically poddesaul, but the colonels go ...

[skrgar]

I put + in the previous article written by "Yoshkin cat" .. And I put + for this author .. And both of them just because this topic is raised .. Someone will say "Yes, talk to the master" .. I will answer "Unforgettable" ... First there was a WORD .. ".. What I would like, if briefly .. I would like to hear what the villagers themselves say, think !! We need to hear them .. what they think .. What is their current way of life .. But there is also a personal question for the author .. How Do you think that it is enough that for the rank and file (before you voiced age 15 years) education "secondary" or "secondary special" (by the way, what does "secondary special" mean? What is it?) .. ??? It strains me that they are not voiced "sick problems" .. the situation in the villages, farms .. And these are the "roots" of the Cossack .. And how without the "roots"? - And there is dominance, the settlement looks like "Caucasians" large-scale is already underway .. And the Cossack also wrote about this in discussion of the article by Yoshkin Kota under the pseudonym "Black" .. In general, the villagers would hear .. But the author does not care +++++++

[DeerIvanovich]

that Yoshkin the cat could write sensibly: a balobol and only, he claimed that he was with Mari El, if he had been from Mordovia, I would have understood: in Mordovia, unlike Mari El, that it is not a settlement, then a Cossack village .

[skrgar]

DeerIvanovich,
I indicated that I put Yoshkin Cat + only for the very fact that the topic was raised !! You, you, I have not seen something ... so that they write something "sensible". Cho balabolit? What exactly, what are you not a balobol on this topic? I say for myself right away: I was born and raised to 23 years old. Stavropol Territory, Budennovsk. Relatives in the Stavropol Territory; st.Maryinskaya, x. Sadovy, s. Novoromanovskoe, st. Zolskaya, kh.Stepnoy .. Everywhere I was and lived and not for a "week" ... And the very case when NOT "I know" but "they know me" in these settlements .. I look forward to a sensible presentation !! ..

[DeerIvanovich]

Presentation of what? I cited a fact and no more. Maybe you want to say that Mordovia is not a Cossack land? I didn’t write anything about you: the word balobol - refers to a cat who mainly deals with this! It would be worthwhile to trace his status, as in a matter of a week his shoulder straps flew one after another ... I think site visitors are not stupid and see who the balobol and who not!

[skrgar]

DeerIvanovich,
Morodovia Cossack land? .. Hmm .. Another question may arise where the Cossacks appeared earlier .. on the Don, Zaporozhye or Mordovia .. and even earlier in general on the Volga (Vyatka) .. at least there is a historical chronicle of the chroniclers of the Golden Horde that the merchants Z.O. paid them, the Cossacks "tribute .. for the" passage "along the river .. Moreover, they attacked Sarai-Batu !!! (capital) ... They were completely stunned there ...

[DeerIvanovich]

in its time, Muscovy was obliged to strengthen the eastern frontiers. Once again I say rural settlements in Mordovia all the names of Cossack villages. Where earlier, where later - it does not matter, it is understandable on the outskirts!

[skrgar]

DeerIvanovich,
Well, then I have relatives in Saransk .. And Mordovians .. And in N. Novgorod .. and .. and .. and ... I know...

[werr17]

Gentlemen, in principle, all this is feasible. Mr. Shoigu should learn about this idea and if he likes it, then everything will turn out. I alone will not be able to carry out this reform, like-minded people are needed.
Ragnarek, please, you can become a participant in this reform, no one forbids. If it’s for the good, of course.
The calculator, as soon as so immediately. I will be glad to see you;)

[skrgar]

werr17,
Idea, but in other matters "good" forgotten "old" .. Just great .. Yes, Shoigu, of course, I must find out .. Especially in Buryatia, it seems there are villages .. So I must have an idea .. And this is a huge + system for the very same "contract service" which we can't really move .. If you write Shoigu a letter, SOUND !! I will subscribe !!!!!! ...

[stas52]

Constitution of the Russian Federation. Chapter 1. 13 Article. n 5
The creation and activity of public associations whose goals or actions are aimed at changing the foundations of the constitutional system and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation, undermining the security of the state, creating armed groups, inciting social, racial, national and religious hatred are prohibited.
Chapter 2. 19 Article
2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official position, place of residence, religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, or other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on the grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.
Chapter 2. 32 Article
4. Citizens of the Russian Federation have equal access to public service.
Chapter 2. 59 Article
1. Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and duty of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

2. A citizen of the Russian Federation bears military service in accordance with federal law.

3. A citizen of the Russian Federation in the event his conscientiousness or religion contradicts the performance of military service, as well as in other cases established by federal law, has the right to replace it with an alternative civilian service.
Chapter 3.
Article 65

1. Within the Russian Federation there are subjects of the Russian Federation:

Republic of Adygea (Adygea), Republic of Altai, Republic of Bashkortostan, Republic of Buryatia, Republic of Dagestan, Republic of Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkarian Republic, Republic of Kalmykia, Karachay-Cherkess Republic, Republic of Karelia, Republic of Komi, Republic of Mari El, Republic of Mordovia, Republic of Sakha ( Yakutia), Republic of North Ossetia - Alania, Republic of Tatarstan (Tatarstan), Republic of Tuva, Udmurt Republic, Republic of Khakassia, Chechen Republic, Chuvash Republic - Chuvashia;

Altai Territory, Zabaikalsky Krai, Kamchatka Krai, Krasnodar Territory, Krasnoyarsk Territory, Perm Territory, Primorsky Territory, Stavropol Territory, Khabarovsk Territory;

Amur Region, Arkhangelsk Region, Astrakhan Region, Belgorod Region, Bryansk Region, Vladimir Region, Volgograd Region, Vologda Region, Voronezh Region, Ivanovo Region, Irkutsk Region, Kaliningrad Region, Kaluga Region, Kemerovo Region, Kirov Region, Kostroma Region, Kurgan Region , Kursk Region, Leningrad Region, Lipetsk Region, Magadan Region, Moscow Region, Murmansk Region, Nizhny Novgorod Region, Novgorod Region, Novosibirsk Region Omsk Region, Orenburg Region, Orel Region, Penza Region, Pskov Region, Rostov Region, Ryazan Region, Samara Region, Saratov Region, Sakhalin Region, Sverdlovsk Region, Smolensk Region, Tambov Region, Tver Region, Tomsk Region, Tula Region, Tyumen Region, Ulyanovsk Region, Chelyabinsk Region, Yaroslavl Region;

Moscow, St. Petersburg - cities of federal significance;

Jewish Autonomous Region;

Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug - Yugra, Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug.
I got the impression that few have read this document. So please read, maybe next time the proposals will correspond to this document

[skrgar]

stas52,
Laws are written and rewritten .. And a lot of amendments, additions, exceptions, etc. are also adopted to them.

[stas52]

skrgar,
And you, something does not suit the constitution, what do you propose to rewrite it? What exactly?
We can talk a lot about the fact that we have a bad constitution, but never read it.

[skrgar]

stas52,
Listen .. You’re not sculpting the Constitution at all !! Do we have a law on contract service ?? Here !! We are talking about this !! If there is any Radonezh Motorized Rifle Guards Regiment .. Why not create for example the Terek Cossack Motorized Rifle Regiment ??? To which Cossacks from Cossack schools will be called up ???? Understood .. though not much ??? ... We have Pskov Airborne Division ??? With your own traditions and way of life? There is!!!! Here !!! ... only the Cossack system .. that is, the INTERNAL CHARTER !! - Not violating the laws of the Russian Federation .. Think at least not a lot ..

[calculator]

As far as I know, the Airborne Forces units until recently were equipped exclusively with Slavs so that everything has already been worked out

[stas52]

sorry copy paste:
In the 6 company of the Pskov Airborne Division, children from different cities of Russia served, they were of different nationalities and religions.
Those who died together, for their homeland, in the war, they rest in peace ...
Evtyukhin Mark Nikolaevich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Dostalov Alexander Vasilievich
Dostalov Alexander Vasilievich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)



Vasilev Sergey Vladimirovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Vorobev Alexey Vladimirovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Gerdt Alexander Alexandrovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Grigoryev Dmitry Viktorovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Dukhin Vladislav Anatolyevich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Ermakov Oleg Viktorovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Kozhemyakin Dmitry Sergeevich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Kolgatin Alexander Mikhailovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Komyagin Alexander Valerievich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Medvedev Sergey Yuryevich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Lebedev Alexander Vladislavovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Molodov Sergey Georgievich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Panov Andrey Alexandrovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Petrov Dmitry Vladimirovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Story Alexey Vasilievich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Romanov Victor
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Ryazantsev Alexander Nikolaevich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Sokolov Roman Vladimirovich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

Sherstyannikov Andrey Nikolaevich
Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous)

[stas52]

Zinkevich Denis Nikolaevich
Aleksandrov Vladimir Andreevich
Ambetov Nikolay Kamitovich
Aranson Andrey Vladimirovich
Arkhipov Vladimir Vladimirovich
Afanasyev Roman Sergeevich
Badretdinov Dmitry Mansurovich
Bakulin Sergey Mikhailovich
Belykh Denis Igorevich
Biryukov Vladimir Ivanovich
Vasilyev Alexey Yurievich
Vorobev Alexey Nikolaevich
Grudinsky Stanislav Igorevich
Evdokimov Mikhail Vladimirovich
Eliseev Vladimir Sergeevich
Erdyakov Roman Sergeevich
Zhukov Sergey Valerievich
Zagoraev Mikhail Vyacheslavovich
Andrey Zaitsev
Ivanov Dmitry Ivanovich
Ivanov Sergey Alekseevich
Ivanov Yaroslav Sergeevich
Izyumov Vladimir Nikolaevich
Isaev Alexander Dmitrievich
Isakov Evgeny Valerievich
Islentev Vladimir Anatolyevich
Kenzhiev Amangeldy Amantaevich
Kobzev Alexander Dmitrievich
Kozlov Sergey Olegovich
Koroteev Alexander Vladimirovich
Krivushev Konstantin Valerievich
Kuatbaev Galim Mukhambetgalievich
Kuptsov Vladimir Ivanovich
Lebedev Viktor Nikolaevich
Lyashkov Yury Nikolaevich
Mikhailov Sergey Anatolyevich
Nekrasov Alexey Anatolyevich
Nishchenko Alexey Sergeevich
Pavlov Ivan Gennadyevich
Pakhomov Roman Aleksandrovich
Piskunov Roman Sergeevich
Igor Popov
Savin Valentin Ivanovich
Siraev Rustam Flaridovich
Sokanov Vasiliy Nikolaevich
Strebin Denis Sergeevich
Sudakov Roman Valerievich
Timashov Denis Vladimirovich
Timoshinin Konstantin Viktorovich
Travin Mikhail Vitalevich
Tregubov Denis Aleksandrovich
Trubenok Alexander Leonidovich
Khamatov Yevgeny Kamilievich
Khvorostukhin Igor Sergeevich
Khrabrov Alexey Alexandrovich
Chugunov Vadim Vladimirovich
Shalaev Nikolai Vladimirovich
Shvetsov Vladimir Aleksandrovich
Shevchenko Denis Petrovich
Shikov Sergey Alexandrovich
Shukayev Alexey Borisovich
Shchemlev Dmitry Sergeevich
In your opinion all the Slavs?

[stas52]

And what does the Pskov airborne division have to do with it?

[Tersky]

Quote: stas52

And you, something does not suit the constitution, what do you propose to rewrite it?

Stanislav, ! You don’t get excited, it’s better to count how many times she corresponded since 1917. Suggest? It is enough to count the number of leaders succeeding each other ...

[stranik72]

stas52
A wonderful constitution, I am only happy with these letters, only the Russians in Chechnya and Dagestan live according to the laws established by the local princes, and in Moscow and other cities of Russia this constitution is strong for the children of the mountains and king David or there are exceptions. You answer this question to yourself, but you don’t need to cite any proclamation (and the Russian constitution is essentially the same today).

[stas52]

stranik72
They behave as we allow them, and since they behave unbridled, then we let them. And by the way, not many behave impudently.
If you are beaten, and God forbid, Russian scumbags kill, will it be easier for you because they are Russian?

[skrgar]

Well, I think this "disguise" will blow away like a hand ... as soon as the subordination of the Cossacks, as military formations, will be modern weapons ... I AM FOR !!

[werr17]

Guys, everything is simple: we write a letter to the Minister of Defense and wait. It seems to me that he will like this idea very much, for modern Cossacks will be able to become a new symbol of a new, reviving Russia!

[skrgar]

werr17,
The letter is that letter .. It is necessary for the signatures to be more serious ... It is necessary to transmit it across the Don, Kuban, Terek, Volga, Urals, Siberia, and all over Russia .. And in it, in a simple but very understandable language, convey to the people what it is about ..

[werr17]

skrgar
At the moment, for me this task is practically impossible due to my age. I am sure that the "mummers" will immediately be against it, because they do not need it

[Lopatov]

In response to such letters at the top they will say "what, again ..."

First you need to make the existing Cossack units really Cossack.

[Tersky]

Quote: Spade

First you need to make the existing Cossack units really Cossack.

That's right, to send off all this husk and the minx, which has recently gotten unmeasured, with only one purpose to chop the dough on this ...

[Lopatov]

I'm not talking about that. Remember such a 429 SME, stood in Mozdok? So there they tried to create a Cossack battalion. They didn’t find people corny. Who could go, has long gone. Moscow region, local police, border guards.

[Tersky]

Quote: Spade

So there they tried to create a Cossack battalion

There was an attempt, but failed for one reason, after A.P. Yermolov's Cossack battalion was withdrawn from Chechnya and disbanded. (694th separate motorized rifle battalion) instead of creating the promised Tere Cossack Regiment on its basis (then Major General Skobelev, who was soon killed), was engaged in the Cossacks by the headquarters of the North Caucasian Military District, and a number of frauds from the command of the Russian Armed Forces during the battalion’s fighting on the territory Chechnya. in 1999, at the request of Kvashnin, four commandant companies and one rifle company were formed on the basis of the battalion, he was engaged in this, but this was the end of the matter, the Cossacks were not needed by anyone ...

[Allegedly]

"Cossack" patrols in Moscow are like the patrols of the Delaware Indians on the streets of New York ... "

[BARKAS]

There will soon be Muslim patrols you will see here.

[skrgar]

BARKAS,
Yes, they already exist .. I have never been aggressively disposed nationalistically .. But right now in Moscow, and before that there are many places in Russia, in general, the thought began to appear ... sensations .. "But are not the" Caucasians "really only "hidden" war for domination ??? ".. By God I am freaking out from the greyhound .. I would separate" Caucasians "from" all Muslims "- I have no complaints about Bashkirs, Tatars ...

[SPQR1977]

sharia guard!))

[Horde]

Quote: JACOB

Cossack "patrols in Moscow are like the patrols of the Delaware Indians on the streets of New York ..."

Yes, it would be fun for the Cossacks Nagayka Indians, tomahawks and dispersal of gay parades march-march.
by the way, here’s a photo of the Huron Indians of the beginning of the 20th century, pay attention, though some Indians are not Native American, but more like Cossacks, here you’ll think about why the Dos Dish with such fury destroyed the INDIANS. I recall who doesn’t know until the sale of Alaska and Oregon state lands the territory of North America belonged to Great Tartaria, and accordingly the population of these territories was Russian-Indian.

[urich]

there are already more discussions of this article than the flock itself. This suggests that the topic is "sore". The Author himself would not hurt to delve into the topic.
I await your feedback, suggestions and questions in the comments, the most interesting of them I will consider in my next article.
Dear author! No need to continue! Well, or study the topic. Maybe then you will be born more or less normal work.

[skrgar]

urich,
And what in PM? Submit an article for discussion, or at least in a few words, what this author did, a topic .. and we will discuss and give suggestions and ask questions .. Do you know the topic? Where did they grow .. were born ??

[Horde]

in yuba found this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X6eR6F-720&feature=related
it turns out a lezginka Cossack dance!

[skrgar]

Horde,
There is such a Alexander Asov .. he has research "Cossacks of Pyatigorye" .. Throughout the south, he continues research from the time of BC. in the Caucasus .. When the "Caucasians" find out about these studies .. they will shit .. (I can’t squeeze the link ... WHAT IS THE VOICE CALLED? This is the name of "Lezginka Cossack Dance" ???

[Horde]

Quote: skrgar

When these studies "Caucasians" find out .. they fucking

to us, what business they "fucking" or not. There was a lot of things in the GLORIOUS AND TRAGIC history of the Cossacks. The Zaporozhye Cossacks called themselves KNIGHTS-KNIGHTS. Zaporizhzhya or have a very close relationship.

[Horde]

Well, ka minus

[Horde]

MINUS at the computer

[calculator]

Himself really wanted to write ...... But imagining how voluptuous he or she does it for a long time laughing

[Armata]

Quote: Horde

MINUS at the computer

But what about poking others ?. Himself minus and went on quietly. What is nothing to answer koment?

[Horde]

supposedly minus got almost by accident was wrong, flushed

[Armata]

I will not drink with you after the last answer. So then I have one pradet starover, the second from the same side vogul. From the side of the grandfather, one Czech prisoner, the other was a Cossack centurion. (By the way, he himself went to kill the Cossacks in their villages, and my grandfather told me how they walked here and tried to rob everyone worse than the Leninists). I remember my story and the story of my ancestors.

[Horde]

Quote: Mechanic

I will not drink with you after the last answer.

you really began to perceive virtual reality, I can’t imagine how I can drink with you at all, by the way I don’t drink acogol.

(By the way, he himself went to kill the Cossacks in their villages, and my grandfather told me how they walked here and tried to rob all of Lenintsev worse

Are you talking about revolutionary times? There was a cruel time and the Cossacks killed and the Cossacks killed. Well, the traditions of the Cossacks remained, I think, the glory of the Cossack will be reborn again.

[Nagaibak]

Mechanic "(By the way, he himself went to kill the Cossacks in their villages"
In the villages, a respected Mechanic, in the villages - the Cossacks lived at worst in farms, in villages. In the villages and villages lived Russian peasants.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Horde

MINUS at the computer

Options do not work))) we have people with the all-seeing OKOM)))))))))))))

Quote: Mechanic

But what about poking others ?. Himself minus and went on quietly. What is nothing to answer koment?

[apro]

The horde is that so worried about one alternatively gifted there will always be three who will support your sound mind and, if necessary, develop it.

[skrgar]

Horde,
I didn't minus. This I see here is a clever guy who puts all the minuses but does not "shine" .. And according to the Zaporozhye .. Don in the chronicles came to the Don in the 13-14 century .. And the Cossacks? Seems, too, in the Crimea .. But in general I saw a film by Parfenov and the historian-writer Ivanov .. There, according to the chronicles, the assumption that the Cossacks on the Don and Zaporozhye came to the Volga (Vyatka Island region) .. and their history began .. In short, they are the Golden Horde , merchants, paid tribute !!! (while collecting tribute from Russia)

[calculator]

It seems that the elk was the captain recently ....

[Tersky]

Quote: Horde

, Tersky likely descendants of the Sich Zaporizhia or have a very close relationship.

Chronicles indicate that the first serving Cossacks, along with Astrakhan archers, arrived on the Terek in 1563. by order of Ivan the Terrible to help his father-in-law Kabardian prince Temryuk in local feuds.

Historians I.D. Popko and V.A. Potto was inclined to believe that the Cossacks came from the Chervlen Yar of the Ryazan Principality and united their disparate communities around the first Russian town on the Sunzha River in 1567. This town was laid on the crests of the Caucasus Mountains and gave the name to the Grebensky Cossacks., E.P. Saveliev believed that the ancestors of the Cossacks were the basics, the descendants of the Aryans who inhabited the Sea of ​​Azov (hence the consonant name "Cossack"). The basics professed Christianity, had the Sarsky and Podonsky dioceses even under the yoke of the Golden Horde. The historian considered the beginning of the history of the Terek (Greben) Cossacks to be the settlement of Don Cossacks on the Aktash River, where they were forced out of the town of Grebny, located on the Don. There are no exact indications of where the town stood, but the Cossacks of the ataman Andrei Shchadra left him under pressure from the detachments of the ataman Yermak, who strengthened his power in the Don.
Tertsy retained their historical name, as well as the legend of how their ancestors on the eve of the Battle of Kulikovo presented Prince Dmitry Donskoy with a banner of the Don Mother of God and the image of the Virgin Mary of Grebenskaya, which helped him in the battle against Mamaia.
In the middle of the XVI century, the Moscow state already had clearly expressed military-political and economic interests in the territory of the North Caucasus. Embassies from mountain peoples (Pyatigorsk Cherkasy, Kabardins, Georgians) repeatedly arrived in Moscow, asking their strong neighbor for protection from their enemies. So the first Russian garrisons began to be built, consolidating the new Moscow possessions in the Caucasus. And where are the hordes here?

[Horde]

rather Italian map of the beginning of the 18th century; there are toponyms on the map
CHERKASSIA, TARTAROCOSIA-TARTAR COSSACKS, observe the Volga
the names of the Horde, as well as TARTARIA mixed up. I recall by TI the Horde is already well defeated.

the map is also beginning of the 18th century; Dutch is noticeably present on the map
names like KUBAN TARTA.

[Armata]

And where is there at least one word about the Cossacks. Although I'm sorry, you are talking about the Kozaks. Learn the language. Carren Muscovites.

[Horde]

Quote: Mechanic

And where is there at least one word about the Cossacks. Although I'm sorry, you are talking about the Kozaks.
Learn the language. Carren Muscovites.

eat above PETITE TARTARIE
here's better Yakov Vilimovich Bruce and Georg von Mengden - Map of the south of Russia.
Edition by Johann Homann. The original was compiled during the Azov campaigns of the late XVII century.
Engraving on copper. The inscription Grebensky Cossacks

[Yarbay]

Quote: Horde

it turns out a lezginka Cossack dance!

Well, yes, and a hat, mountain clothes and daggers and a horseman came up with Zaporizhzhya Cossacks-knights)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Horde]

Quote: Yarbay

Well, yes, and the hat, the mountain clothes and daggers and horse-riding came up with the Zaporozhye Cossacks-knights

it’s easy to prove it that way
- at the root of the word PAPAHA there is clearly a Russian PAPA
-in the root of the word BURKA _BUR_ the Russian concept is BURNY, DEVELOPING in the wind
-LEZGINKA most likely from the word KNITTING again Russian.
Well, the fact that the Circassians were never more likely to appear more recently, but were Cherkasy. Cherkasy Tartars, and there are historical documents in the form of maps.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Horde

-LEGGIN

There are such people-lezgins and they were so called before they clanged))))))))))

Quote: Horde

DADDY

DAD, father, husband. (outdated), and PAPHAH, hats, wives. (Turk. papach). High shaggy fur hat, usually with a cloth top.

Quote: Horde

BURKA

Quote: Horde

BURKA

BURKA - (from Persian barak wool cover). A wide sleeveless felt cloak among the Caucasian highlanders and other Caspian peoples.

[walter_rus]

Right! All languages ​​in the world are descended from Russian! And who else doubts - listen to M. Zadornov

[Tersky]

Quote: Horde

it turns out a lezginka Cossack dance!

Colleague, ! Why are you surprised? Where do you think the Tersk and Kuban Cossacks have Circassians, hats and daggers. They settled where they were, next to the Circassians, Chechens, Kabarda, from here not only elements of clothing but also culture were adopted from each other. I myself am Naursky, (there is such an old village on the Terek), punch in the same YouTube "Naurskaya Lezginka" it is really Cossack, and differs from Chechen in many elements.

[Lopatov]

In general, the Terek-Grebne Cossacks are one of the oldest. It is enough to recall the Grebnevskaya icon donated by Dmitry Donskoy after the Battle of Kulikovo Field.

[Tersky]

Quote: Spade

Terskoye-Grebnevskoe

Colleague, ! correctly- Grebenskoe, (accent on the penultimate vowel)

[Lopatov]

I heard from Vladikavkaz such an option (Grebnevsky).

By the way, I respect. You can't call them "disguised".

[Tersky]

Quote: Spade

I heard from Vladikavkaz such an option (Grebnevsky)

This is most likely distorted by the local dialect, read from the village of Grebenskaya (where the ridge - the Tersky ridge stretches along the Terek River in a flat course, the maximum height is 707 m.)

[Lopatov]

I know what the Tersky Range is.

I heard another version: "Comb" - the Caucasian ridge. But this is not particularly important, they are not far from each other.
About talk, maybe. Although the locals, both Cossacks and Ossetians, speak good Russian. Especially for the Ironians, I noticed this. If there is an accent, then this is either village or kudars

[Armata]

Quote: Tersky

Naurskaya lezginka "it is really Cossack, and in many elements differs from the Chechen one.

Hi, Victor. But Lezginka was from Lezgins who lived there.

[Tersky]

Quote: Mechanic

. But Lezginka was from Lezgins who lived there.

Hi Zhenya! Quite true, but each ethnic group of the Caucasus has its own, there are a lot of Lezghins, Kabardian, Chechen, Ingush, etc., see Kabardinka and Chechen, you will see a lot of differences ...

[Yarbay]

Quote: Mechanic

Hi, Victor. But Lezginka was from Lezgins who lived there.

You are absolutely right!
Other peoples as well as the Cossacks adopted this dance !!

[Nagaibak]

Tersky] "Where do you think the Tersky and Kuban Cossacks have Circassians, hats and daggers."
Correctly! Good takes over quickly. And Lezghinka is a beautiful dance that would not be adopted. In the yuba, you fully recruit the Cossack Lezghinka and watch how the terraces burn !!!

[askold]

"The Cossack must repay the debt to the Motherland: for ordinary Cossacks, the service life is 5 years, for the sergeant staff, 10 years, for the officer, 20 years."

Oh well. to the dick of those wishing there is a steam for 5 years as an ordinary.

But seriously, the killer grass afftar should be smoked less.

[skrgar]

askold,
And if an ordinary ..5 years .. for 100 000r? Will it do? Then the question is in money and not in terms and rank .. WHAT personal offers ??? ....

[biglow]

askold,
and contract officers that immediately receive officer ranks.?

[BARKAS]

The time of mummers of the Cossacks in the original Cossack territories has long passed, and in Moscow Cossack patrols will probably really be superfluous. In the largest Cossack army of the Kuban, the mood and vision of the Cossacks in the future are also not uniform and there are constant disputes only if they concern not the creation of any formations but completely different issues rather organizational, and the fact that the Krasnodar Territory on the national question is the most calm region in the south with the active development of the Cossacks makes me a supporter of this development!

[skrgar]

BARKAS,
Yes, I honestly say "patrolling" the streets of the Cossacks .. It's not serious somehow. It should be more prestigious for young people .. then they will go into the army more willingly. Here is a man who wrote about a Cossack military unit which in Chechnya simply vomited the Czechs .. And then it was disbanded .. That was what they had to "cling to" .. In general, I would like there to be, for example, the Kuban Cossack airborne regiment, or the Stavropol Cossack motorized infantry regiment .. etc. Where will the guys from the district villages be called up (that is, the guy has not yet reached the unit ... and everyone, including the company commander, already knows "how he" breathes "") That is, everyone will know each other almost from childhood. problems of now military units (hazing, etc.) will be removed? And what about the so-called "educational work" of the company commander with his personal staff? It is easier to conduct it when a guy is known from childhood or when he just came ?? .. Yes, there are many advantages ... And the most thing .. We already have legal laws for this ...

[BARKAS]

Quote: skrgar

In general, I would like for example to be the Kuban Cossack Airborne Regiment, or the Stavropol Cossack Motorized Infantry ... etc. Where will the guys from the district villages be called

Yes, even a company or a battalion as part of the existing units and the beginning has already been laid is the Cossack cadet corps is a very positive fact.

[skrgar]

BARKAS,
Well yes !! Even a platoon !! Well, I sent my son to serve. You will understand where. And right now I imagined if I had been there for 5 years, or even more, I already know that to serve him there and there .. specifically .. + the guys from there were demobilized and told cho and how + and there he takes a "change" from a kid with whom from childhood, either in the village or from a neighboring village, talked .. Yes, that's a lovely thing! And if there is also a company commander, a platoon commander from our area ... yes, my parents live here .. Yes, damn it, I would tell him, through his parents, "Come on! Make a man there !!" ... Well, if this platoon commander, The company commander would come for a young replenishment and immediately looked at the future .. Yes, only from those who served ... he would have a "string" of carrying buckets of moonshine !!! ... Yes, let this part be in Kamchatka at least !! Would gladly send it !! ... And the shitty company commander would not have resisted there .. Well, something like this ..

[Horde]

Quote: BARKAS

in Moscow, Cossack patrols will probably really be superfluous,

It’s absolutely not beneficial for the authorities to have such a POWERFUL and SELF-ORGANIZING FORCE as the Cossacks. The Cossack troops are not a pocket, pro-Kremlin party of crooks and thieves and not a venal movement “OURS” are not ours. All their actions are predictable and understandable to the authorities Canaries. At the heart of the Cossack worldview is the idea of ​​SERVING THE FATHERLAND and there is absolutely nothing commercial and commercial. Therefore, the authorities and Cossacks have NO BASIS to agree among themselves. To attract Cossacks for the service is certainly a good thing, but how to control them? here is the headache of the Kremlin.

[BARKAS]

Quote: Horde

It is absolutely not beneficial for the authorities to have such a POWERFUL and SELF-ORGANIZING FORCE

You see in the root!

[skrgar]

Horde,
+++ I agree with you. Only now you see there is such a "trick" .. If some ideas, moods, desires are ACTIVE and MASSIVE among the people .. Then the authorities usually begin to do this at least close to what they want .. Or they will have to "leave" .. that and happened with Gorbaty and Yeltsin ...

[Horde]

skrgar,

.If the people are ACTIVE and MASSY some ideas, moods, desires soar

well, maybe ideas are born among the masses, but they - ideas tend to die and the Kremlin's political strategists know very well about this - "it is worth knocking down another SPEED OF PERFORMANCE by, say, putting OWN members at the head of the movement and the whole mass will begin to subside"
Recall the recent initiative of the Volga to rename Volgograd to STALINGRAD. You think you can make the SALE State Duma vote for it? I can’t imagine how this can be done within the framework of the existing constitution.

[BARKAS]

Quote: Horde

by, say, placing OWN at the head of the movement and the whole mass character will begin to subside "

I always knew that Udaltsov was an agent of the FSB!
Joke!

[Horde]

Quote: BARKAS

I always knew that Udaltsov was an agent of the FSB

such info goes in nete, the truth I do not know whether it is true?

[Armata]

Quote: Horde

It is absolutely not beneficial for the authorities to have such a POWERFUL and SELF-ORGANIZING FORCE as the Cossacks. The Cossack troops are not a pocket-sized, pro-Kremlin party of crooks and thieves and not a corrupt Nashi movement.

That is, the Russian army is a corrupt army according to your logic?

Quote: Horde

At the heart of the Cossack worldview is the idea of ​​SERVING THE FATHERLAND and there is absolutely nothing commercial and commercial.

again, according to your logic, they are obliged to serve the fatherland ruled by thieves and swindlers. but if on the contrary they will be forced to confront the regular army (that is, like bandits in Chechnya).

Quote: Horde

.Attract Cossacks for the service, of course a good thing, but how to control them? here is the headache of the Kremlin.

But this is the biggest nonsense. I explain. If they were not controlled by the state, then all their marches would be illegal, and then we would watch the Cossacks matches against the riot police. Otherwise, all your arguments about the mummers are window dressing and complete nonsense. You can put on anything you like, but at the same time do not come close to the glory (bad or good) of your supposedly ancestors. So talk too much, too much.

[Horde]

Mechanic,

That is, the Russian army is a corrupt army according to your logic?

but where did I say something about the Russian army? Do you start to distort?

again, according to your logic, they are obliged to serve the fatherland ruled by thieves and swindlers. but if on the contrary they will be forced to confront the regular army (that is, like bandits in Chechnya).

our unfortunate Homeland is governed by thieves and bandits, but we DO NOT have ANY OTHER Homeland.

If they were not controlled by the state, then all their marches would be illegal, and then we would watch the Cossacks matches against the riot police.

the authorities have to dodge, like lice on a scallop, on the one hand public opinion, which is supportive and sympathetic to the Cossacks on the other
they understand that giving the Cossacks freedom means to come into conflict with the world that they themselves built (drunkenness, theft of power, slurred and worthless NATIONAL POLICY). How to be here? Well, as usual, turn up the situation, prohibit funding and steal the idea. We have already seen all of this.

[biglow]

The author wrote everything correctly, everything should begin with discipline and adherence to traditions. The Cossacks accept black men and anyone who got hit for money, this is certainly a shame for them.
Now the whole problem of the Cossacks is that they cannot organize, and therefore the state does not look at them very seriously. And the people in many ways also perceive rather negatively than positively.
Without a clear charter and a rigid structure in the likeness of the army, probably will not achieve anything

[askold]

"And if a private ... 5 years ... for 100 rubles? Will it do? Then the question is about money, not time and rank .. WHAT personal suggestions?"

It's not about money at all. If 100 thousand rubles. a month paid to everyone, there would be no end to the Africans, Asians and others .. Even the Jews from Israel, probably pulled - :)). The question is different. Can a person standing under arms defend his homeland? Our homeland is Russia?

[skrgar]

askold,
I think he can. Well, they say the younger generation is no longer the same .. I don’t know .. my son served, everyone knows him in the city (city of 120000 hours) and I know his boyfriends guys .. I would not say that they will be afraid .. I’m even sure that they will go to fight without problems .. And there are most of them .. They even organized themselves for the whole city and all the visiting "Caucasians" cleaned their turnips for a greyhound (Solikamsk, Perm Territory) and the criminal authorities could not "dissolve" ...

[tupolev-95]

We cannot give the minds to the existing troops, and the author suggests creating new ones. Create from scratch. Cossacks, of course, need an organization, they need a regulatory framework for their activities. I think that in the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it is necessary to identify several units and formations that will be equipped with recruits and contract soldiers from the Cossacks. After military service, these people, with the preservation of their military ranks in the Cossack version, are in reserve and participate in the activities of their organization (for example, law enforcement, the same Cossack patrols). With proper organization and support from the state, Cossacks can become a real force on guard of peace and law and order. Otherwise, it will be either a group of mummers, or, given the increasingly acute national question, a group of Russian nationalists opposing Caucasian nationalists.

[skrgar]

tupolev-95,
Yes, then business and no .. there are problems! Internal Cossack Charter (which, in principle, the Cossacks already have) in which the rules of conduct are spelled out .. Yes, there is only a strong-willed decision of the Ministry of Defense and that’s all !! The rest of the Laws, orders, too, everything is there! In six months, everything will be !! .. I’m just sure that at the same time .. we guys will just go to these divisions with pleasure !! .. Moreover, they will be from district villages .. hazing is absolutely excluded. Mayhem even more so !! ..

[Kubanets]

Good day to all forum users. I’ll enter into discussion because of the Cossack’s pedigree. You should not invent a bicycle, but will turn into the past. Take a look at the personnel of the linear border outposts in ZakPO Dones Kuban Tertsy Bolsheviks were traditional And the current authorities are afraid of this force

[stranik72]

"The border of Russia runs along the bow of the Cossack saddle" that would really restore such a self-organizing structure of our people. The time has come today more than ever. Only our authorities are afraid, the demand from them will be worse then, but do they need it?

[Kubanets]

But my friend, she Border now runs along the banks of the Kuban. And let the mummers and the real ones teach the unreasonable neighbors.

[avt]

Everyone was so carried away by the Cossack issue that they forgot what the author wanted ------------- ,, So what is the purpose of such a transformation? The main goal is the creation of universal troops capable of conducting combat operations not only of an offensive, but also of a defensive nature (I will write about the features of their use, as well as in more detail about the strategy of their use in the next article "Cossacks of the XXI century. Part 2."). In this regard, it will be necessary to equip this army with the latest Russian weapons capable of conducting "universal" military operations (I will also write about weapons in the next article). "----------- And maybe in the light of what was said by the author just to deal with the Army and the Navy? And then gentlemen, comrades, the debaters turn out like in that anecdote about gypsies - "Fruza! Why are you washing your children, come here, we will give birth to new ones."

[askold]

You, Tupolev 95, would you walk in the forest! and GO YOU FUCK along with your Venezuela!

[apro]

Do not swear Askold.

[tupolev-95]

I went through a holiday? What does Venezuela have to do with it?

When there are not enough brains and arguments, morons include mate.

[SAVA555.IVANOV]

Quote: ascold

You, Tupolev 95, would you walk in the forest! and GO YOU FUCK along with your Venezuela!

Correctly "patriots" send each other why !!!! What can a nation do that is so snitching-corrupt-mentally-corrupt-rotten !!!! And you are applying for the role of a leader !!!!!

[tupolev-95]

He said how he farted into the water and shed. And what about the nation? Want about the supposedly-independent-envious-mazepa-corrupt-Bandera-fascist?

[niklev65]

Awarding the letters of thanks by the Governor for the liquidation of the consequences after the explosion of the house in Astrakhan.

[Octavian avgust]

Cossacks need a powerful community (Don, Grebensky, Semirechensky), which will have economic independence and will not depend on anyone! Engage in agriculture and their marketing. (Except for alcohol, tobacco). Engaged in historical and educational, patriotic, spiritual and physical preparation for the army. I think they do not need any separate brigades. But in the case of which all will die under the gun and defense of the homeland. Spread Russian culture in other countries!

[vladek64]

Read:

First of all, we will transform all Cossack troops into mobile brigades

and realized that next will be another nonsense.

If this is the first thing to start with, then you shouldn't even start. Probably the author is a fan of the film "Brigade"
But seriously, you need to start by asking these well-dressed "Cossacks", "colonels", "chieftains" why are some unorganized Chechens in "correct brigades" beating your "Great Troops" in every gateway? Why have they already managed to clean dozens of villages from the Slavs? Why is it already officially recognized that the Slavs of Stavropol and Kuban have to endure constant terror from "persons of Caucasian nationality" and many have to leave for other regions? If the "Cossacks" really were Cossacks, then the highlanders would not dance in your squares Lezginka, but would be examples of cultural behavior. If only they risked appearing on Cossack territory.

Therefore, the problem of "how to reorganize the Cossacks" is out of the question.
First you need to find these Cossacks. And when you find them, you will see that they themselves have somehow organized themselves. And if you ask them what kind of help they need, the answer is likely to be: "Drop your weapons and don't interfere."

Unlike all these "Great Troops", six men from the village of Sagra showed themselves to be real Cossacks. If the current "Cossacks" are not capable of such actions, then the subject of the conversation is missing.

The same applies to the education of young people. Someone is trying to create the illusion that the Cossack can be raised by some kind of "mummer". The problem is the same. A real Cossack can only be raised by a real Cossack. "Mummers" will produce "mummers". They just don't know how to do it differently.

[Armata]

Quote: vladek64

Unlike all these "Great Troops", six men from the village of Sagra showed themselves to be real Cossacks.

Dear talking about Sagra is disrespect for the type of "primordially Russian inhabitants" tobish Cossacks. Since Bashkirs, Tatars and Russians live in Sagra together. I absolutely agree about the mummers. There are real Cossacks, only they do not prancing under flags in the squares, but live in villages. And they honor traditions not like these mummers, but as their grandfathers bequeathed to them.

[vladek64]

Quote: Mechanic

Dear talking about Sagra is disrespect for the type of "primordially Russian inhabitants" tobish Cossacks.

And what is disrespect here?

[Armata]

Quote: vladek64

And what is disrespect here?

It was sarcasm. Here many shout that everyone is glowing under their boots, and we (the Cossacks) D "Artanyans. It's funny to read. It was they who always saved our country, and everyone is now trying to take their glory. After all, there were no good warriors among other nationalities. So this is not a stone. to your garden.

[zavesa01]

Totally agree with you. Just a conversation like in that joke "The sparrow is strong but light". You can’t get organized. There’s nothing to punch yourself in the chest. In addition to the fact that one must REVE the memory of ancestors, one must try to BE worthy of them. Something I don’t believe that, for example, Razin would have suffered in his home village the rampant of proprietary thugs. And the royal decrees on the organization of the detachment named ... ... he did not really need.
While this will not happen, modern Cossacks are dressed up.

[walter_rus]

The author of the article has a strange look at the question. He proposes to transform the Cossack troops into formations of the RF Armed Forces. But firstly, the question: Cossack troops - is this a monastic number from the concept of "Cossack army"? Those. all who consider themselves to be the Cossacks, forcibly drive into the army?
"A Cossack officer must be a stronghold of moral morality, have a sense of patriotism, courage, and be an example for the younger generation"
But for the rest of the officers is this optional?
"The main goal is to create universal troops capable of conducting combat operations not only of an offensive, but also of a defensive nature."
It should be capable of any army.
"They should obey the Commander of the RF KV, for example, Colonel-General Ivanov II."
And should they not obey the Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces? Will it be some kind of gang formation?
"Cossacks are equated with the rest of the Russian Army. They will be provided with the same benefits and privileges, the same salary, and pension."
So we were convinced that these hypothetical Cossacks should not have any differences from other military personnel. So why fence the garden? And on top of it:
"Only people of Russian nationality should enter the RF KV"
In the Cossack society, especially on the Don, the idea is now popular that the Cossacks cannot be counted among the Russians, they are a separate nationality, either the descendants of the Polovtsy, or those "Cossacks" that Howard wrote about in the books about Conan the Barbarian :)))))) )))))) (why not become Cimmerians - so much funnier :)))))))))
So whoever considers himself a Cossack, even if he considers it, but this is not a reason to demand privileges and privileges for himself.

[Tersky]

Quote: walter_rus

In Cossack society, especially in the Don, the idea that Cossacks cannot be considered Russian is a popular nationality,

Colega ! You should not pay attention to such "slogans", they come just from the opponents of the Cossacks, the goal is one - to militate against the Cossacks as much as possible the peoples of Russia, both Russians and non-Russians. Cossacks are a branch of the Russian people with their own culture, history and memory. , until 1917 it was an estate, but through the careful efforts of the Bolsheviks (in the flesh before the genocity of 1919-1920 and 1930-1931), the estate was destroyed.

Quote: walter_rus

And should they not obey the Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces? Will it be some kind of gang formation?

Cossacks have always served their native land, the Orthodox Faith, their people and the Russian State.

[Armata]

Quote: Tersky

(to the flesh before the genocite 1919-1920 and 1930-1931gg), the estate was destroyed.

Vitya is wrong, here in 34 Stalin signed a decree on the revival of the Cossacks. And remember how many of them fought during the Second World War, and if they were destroyed, could anyone really help the regular troops so actively?

[spy master]

I generally respect the Cossacks - they know their job, they are endowed with true Russian culture, and they fully comply with the church service ... real Slavs.
By the way, I heard that they strongly maintain order in the Krasnodar Territory ... it is a pity that the Cossacks are not developed in the Stavropol Territory.

[spy master]

I generally respect the Cossacks - they know their job, their lives in true Russian culture are very full, and they fully observe church service ... in general, they are real Slavs.
By the way, I heard that they strongly maintain order in the Krasnodar Territory ... it is a pity that the Cossacks are not developed in the Stavropol Territory.

[Turkish Granite]

With all my heart for the creation of the Cossack troops, as there are Kuban Cossacks from Stavropol and among the ancestors. But if you think about it, but stronger ... We are creating separate troops based on ethnicity in multicultural Russia, as a result, peoples and nationalities will certainly appear who also want to have appropriate units with weapons and legal status. Wouldn't all this look like feudal squads? As an alternative, I see the creation of Cossack units as part of the existing branches and types of troops in which, after an appropriate entrance exam (test), everyone will be accepted, regardless of nationality (which of the Cossacks can say for certain that among his ancestors there are no the same Bashkirs, Tatars, Russified Turks etc.). And the status of a "Cossack regiment" will determine the presentation of increased requirements for combat readiness and combat training to this unit and its personnel. Well, and, accordingly, such a unit will be the first in line for especially difficult tasks, in fact, new guards units with a special context.

[askold]

"Askold is not swearing well."

Maybe I’m not good at swearing, I’ve just seen enough of these clowns, mummers of the Cossacks. , thick-faced faces, get together, plump, yell that they, b .... the best representatives of humanity. I live in the Far North, I myself am not ethnically Russian, but I consider myself Russian as a native!

[Armata]

Quote: ascold

I live in the Far North, I myself am not ethnically Russian, but I consider myself Russian as a native!

Russian in spirit. and it’s not necessary to be a Slav. Everything else is window dressing.

[tupolev-95]

So I wonder about Venezuela. Or was it really cold in the North, the head froze?

[MRomanovich]

Quote: Horde

.Sometimes you think, "Did our Cossacks-ancestors do the right thing, that they left the aborigines? You see, now NOBODY WOULD be compassing our brains

Firstly, not beautiful brother, not beautiful! Even figuratively, all the same, such words are not acceptable for a multinational state. Secondly, they still couldn’t kill everyone, since they couldn’t take everyone by force of arms.

[Armata]

These are beautiful thoughts. Thank you brother.

[Black]

Yesterday literally discussed something similar. I would not want to repeat myself, but ...
When the "process" started in the first half of the 90s, it aroused enthusiasm and enthusiasm, including in me. But over the years, the euphoria has diminished.
What IMHO is possible:
- educating young people, creating a network of Cossack cadet corps and classes, sports sections, military-historical clubs, holding summer camp (in our Volgograd region, a number of Cossack cadet schools are open, the result is excellent)
- Cossack communities can be involved in ensuring law and order on the streets (but, it seems only within the Cossack lands. Cossacks on the streets of Moscow are not good.)
- protection of the state border and border territories, an obstacle and the fight against illegal migration (maybe even with the construction of new Cossack villages)
What is impossible:
- the creation of paramilitary Cossack units. This is not possible for the following reasons.
- who can be taken in these? How to separate the Cossack from the non-Cossack at present? The assimilation of the Cossacks into the Russian people is irreversible!
- everyone is equal before the constitution - tomorrow the Kalmyks, Bashkirs will begin to create their own national brigades - what do we want to sow a storm?

[ars_pro]

In such cases, we do not bypass the HQ headquarters of any kind of strategic response under the council and a lot of things can be done at the State level.
They say the mummers are not mummers, it seems to me more servicemen who are not employees sound better, and the sense of everything can be primarily the identity of the Cossacks as carriers of culture.

[Armata]

Quote: ars_pro

among the Cossacks as carriers of culture.

Look at the culture media from Chechnya. Let's organize wild divisions from them again. The Buryats also have a culture. Let them have their own divisions. Yes, and all other peoples and nationalities will be. The General Staff will not break from the representatives?

[melkie]

And if tomorrow is a war, how many Cossacks can be put under arms?

[Borisych]

Somehow I already left a comment on this topic. In my opinion, the present Cossacks are not an ethnic group, not an estate, but a form of self-organization of the Russian people. The more the Russian people will organize themselves in various associations, the stronger they will be. Then let some bureaucrat try to mock the unfortunate walker along the bureaucratic corridors, or representatives of some diaspora rape the Russian girl or unjustly run into the security forces. Then we will be by force and everyone will respect us.

[Yapatriot]

Kuban Cossacks have a sharply immoral appearance. Cossacks do not respect others, and they do not need to be given in
arms arms

[tumbajerry]

I fully support the author, the Cossacks are the support of our country !!!

[Magadan]

I support the author, but not in everything:

1) Only Cossacks accepted Orthodox, nationality did not matter. Let’s follow the traditions. There will be no Faith, such neo-Cossacks will simply turn into a gang of lawless people.

2) Cossacks are a reserve. Those. It’s important not only to serve for 5 years, but to be prepared for the fact that you are pulled out at any time for training with your own weapons. Which can and should be stored in this case at home. That's what you can pay extra monthly, and not pay the full salary of an officer.

3) Cossacks have always been alert and in good physical shape. Those. it is necessary to check this very physical form from time to time. Do not pass the standard - you leave the registry. You lose the same monthly surcharge.

4) Cossacks lived on earth. Those. I can’t imagine a Cossack in an apartment. Let him live on at least 6 acres and teach his children to work, at least to feed chickens to responsibility and bring water to pigs.

5) Today's Cossacks must first of all become a kind of "gray power". That is, not all problems are resolved according to the law. It is sometimes necessary to get together and to fill the muzzle for the sake of justice, in present life there is nowhere without it.
In short - Cossacks are not a government agency. This is a people who are faithful to the supreme power, ready to come to the defense of their homeland, but these people will solve their problems in their own way. Cathedral. In Orthodox. Somewhere with a scuffle or a whip.

[understudy]

For me personally, they will remain "mummers" until they get rid of "colonels" who did not serve in the Army, and "Cossack generals" with the military rank of "sergeant".
I remember that there was even a foreman in the position of "the supreme chieftain of the world brotherhood of Cossacks." He only wore shoulder straps of an incomprehensible pattern, but with the colonel-general's stars.

[Magadan]

Gold words! Until they get rid of the mummers, they will be treated as Cossacks, to my deep regret, as clowns.

[kazak52]

More precisely "Slav")

[Nikita]

The author is well done, I wrote everything correctly, I support!