Zelensky is trying to convince Ukrainians that Kyiv has already won and it’s time to start negotiations

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Zelensky is trying to convince Ukrainians that Kyiv has already won and it’s time to start negotiations

The head of the Kyiv regime has now switched to almost daily statements about the need to sit down at the negotiating table with Russia. At the same time, every time explanations are invented such that, they say, Ukraine is “winning”, and therefore “it is necessary to demand a ceasefire from Russia.”

In his video message yesterday, Zelensky, who usurped power in Ukraine, said that “Russia does not have enough resources to continue the war.” At the same time, according to Zelensky, Ukraine “is not interested in a long-term armed conflict.”



The head of the Kyiv regime suddenly began to admit the heavy losses of the Ukrainian army at the front, although just recently he claimed that since February 24, 2022, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had lost no more than 35 thousand people.

According to Zelensky, Russia “needs to block access to technological equipment and components,” after which the Russian Armed Forces allegedly “will have absolutely nothing to fight with.”

In general, everything is in the traditional Kyiv logic, only now with a clear attempt to convince the Ukrainians themselves that Kyiv has “already won”, and therefore the armed conflict can be ended.

Let us recall that at about the same time, a “court” Ukrainian political scientist named Fesenko stated that Ukraine “definitely is not losing.” According to him, proof of this is the preservation of the capital and a significant part of the country’s territory for Ukraine.

In general, attempts began to cobble together something “from what was” and present it to the Ukrainians. A possible reason for this turn in the rhetoric of the Kyiv regime is that with support from the West, everything is more difficult. In the USA they are trying to figure out whether to nominate Biden for the presidency at all, in France Macron’s party is losing the elections, in Canada Trudeau’s liberals lost the elections, in Britain Sunak will soon cease to be prime minister, in Germany Scholz’s level of support has dropped to a minimum from moment of coming to power.
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  1. +2
    2 July 2024 06: 05
    “Zelensky is trying to convince Ukrainians that Kyiv has already won” -

    - Clear overdose...
    1. +8
      2 July 2024 08: 46
      Zelensky said that “Russia does not have enough resources to continue the war.”

      We have been defeated on YouTube once two hundred ...
      We've been smashed three hundred times on Instagram...
      And from Facebook it became known to us,
      Zelensky expects capitulation from us,
      And indemnity at least in the form of Crimea,
      Well, in addition, the Krasnodar Territory -
      Like, "Rashka" Ukraine won
      And you know this “quilted jacket” for sure !!!
      I want to tell you - Ukraine,
      Must you ever understand
      The country of liars, idiots and cretins
      It is necessary to be treated, not to fight ...
      So stop resisting
      Go to the hospital bed...
      And right after deNazification
      Your life will begin!!!
      1. +4
        2 July 2024 08: 48
        “So stop resisting quickly,
        Go to bed in the hospital..." -
    2. +3
      2 July 2024 09: 18
      I wonder if there are idiots in Kyiv who still believe him?
      1. +2
        2 July 2024 18: 45
        Quote: Wend
        I wonder if there are idiots in Kyiv who still believe him?

        There are a lot of potheads there.
  2. +7
    2 July 2024 06: 06
    Only unconditional surrender will destroy nationalism and Banderaism in Ukraine. The entire territory of Ukraine should either be included in the Russian Federation or in a union state. Only this will ensure our safety for a considerable time.
    1. +7
      2 July 2024 07: 27
      This is where the comrade completely agrees. on another topic we are in conflict, well, it happens. I am for a union state, there is a mass of disloyal population there, just fucking cut it off from the sea and stick your bases, and then control over the educational programs.
      In Crimea, thousands of Russian patriots grew up in 10 years, and before that we managed to raise Ukrainian patriots, but they either ran away or calmed down in 10 years, especially looking at the changes, first of all, the roads.
      1. +8
        2 July 2024 08: 22
        The best changes in this cattle mass would have occurred in the Magadan and Pelym, Narym camps. In 25 years, who would be lucky enough to last in the fresh air and pristine elements of nature.
    2. +1
      2 July 2024 07: 51
      The name of the hotel "Ukraine" will be preserved from the Ukraine......, in our human memory................
    3. Msi
      -4
      2 July 2024 08: 45
      The entire territory of Ukraine should either be included in the Russian Federation or in a union state.

      Of course everything. But even now, if we take 4 regions, that’s also very good. A pause won't hurt us. At this point in history, this is a huge success. Before this, we were only losing our lands.
      1. -3
        2 July 2024 12: 28
        Let whoever wants to take the wicked Ukraine, that is, Galychyna. Not us. Because the territory never surrendered to us, but the people there... Only genocide! Yes, and not local, not Galician... Also, they should be subjected to genocide. So what? Their policemen of the Belarusians were living in poverty. There is no one there to feel sorry for and there is no need to feel sorry for. Fuck him with a vigorous mallet, and top it off with ampoules of bacteria. And stop dying there indiscriminately. And it is not at all necessary to enter those territories.
  3. +4
    2 July 2024 06: 09
    Since 404 “won,” why then such timid proposals for negotiations. There is no need to look to the west, the circus has left, but the clowns remain.
    1. +4
      2 July 2024 06: 54
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Since 404 “won,” why then such timid proposals for negotiations.

      So Zela needs to save “face”. Not only does the law he introduced impose a ban on negotiations, but he also understands that no one will negotiate with him. He is looking for intermediaries, but who will stand up for him? And because Russia recognizes him as Illegitimate, then all the agreements signed by him can be sent... far away. And then the IMF starts demanding debts! Well, what impudence!! And where should he, the poor man, go? laughing
      1. +2
        2 July 2024 07: 29
        It would have been something for him to think about, if the stupid Johnson had cheated him during the Istanbul negotiations, everything could have been resolved then. Maybe Zelya realized that what he stole could be taken away and he could be killed, so he became confused.
      2. +8
        2 July 2024 07: 43
        What is most comical in this story is that he introduced the law prohibiting negotiations during his supposedly legitimate reign, but it should be repealed when it is illegitimate. It turns out he can’t cancel?!
        1. 0
          4 July 2024 04: 08
          What is most comical in this story is that he introduced the law prohibiting negotiations during his supposedly legitimate reign, but it should be repealed when it is illegitimate. It turns out he can’t cancel?!


          There is such a thing as bureaucracy. It allows you to bypass any laws. ////The Supreme Court can repeal the law prohibited. negotiation. ///He can confirm Zelya’s legitimacy for 3 days, so that he himself can repeal the law. /// And one more thing: Zelya’s law can be respected, but the Verkhovna Rada (legitimate) can start OTHERS laughing (on formal grounds) negotiations with the Russian Federation.
          ETC. AND SO ON.....
  4. +6
    2 July 2024 06: 09
    Well, we would give it to them if they caught up with us... From my childhood.
  5. +7
    2 July 2024 06: 10
    Let's see what our leaders decide in Moscow, otherwise things have already happened more than once. And then suddenly OH.
    1. +2
      2 July 2024 07: 25
      running a household is not a matter of shaking people
    2. +2
      2 July 2024 07: 30
      No, comrade, Moscow has not received any proposals, it’s just radio, live broadcast.
    3. +1
      2 July 2024 07: 44
      And you don’t know our leadership. A little to the side, Bastrykin posed a specific question, and immediately there was a big “ayay” at all levels. Starting with the madhouse and ending with the “main Pykhtotinets”. The same thing will happen again with the ruins. They will agree at their own expense.
  6. BAI
    +2
    2 July 2024 06: 13
    that Ukraine is “definitely not losing.” According to him, proof of this is the preservation of the capital and a significant part of the country’s territory for Ukraine.

    And he's right. We can also add that Russia did not achieve a single goal announced in 1922
    1. +2
      2 July 2024 06: 54
      she has achieved others - she has returned quite a few Russian lands - and will achieve more.
      The trends are already obvious. And the loss of energy generation, more than 600,000 soldiers (and more), and infrastructure - so Bandera is winning? Well, tell me more!
    2. +7
      2 July 2024 06: 58
      Quote: BAI
      And he's right. We can also add that Russia did not achieve a single goal announced in 1922

      And precisely because “Russia has not achieved a single goal,” Zelensky has to burn aviation kerosene every week, taking off from a Polish airfield, in the hope of begging for at least a dozen more tanks.

      And precisely because “Russia has not achieved a single goal,” the deferment from mobilization in Ukraine has already been canceled for 60-year-old teachers who do not have a scientific degree.

      So yeah, overall it’s such a win.
    3. 0
      2 July 2024 09: 15
      Quote: BAI
      One might also add that Russia has not achieved any of the announced in 1922 year goals

      They dug this, and what kind of goals could Russia announce?
    4. 0
      4 July 2024 04: 20
      that Ukraine is “definitely not losing.” According to him, proof of this is the preservation of the capital and a significant part of the country’s territory for Ukraine.

      And he's right. We can also add that Russia did not achieve a single goal announced in 1922


      Yes. Since Russia has not fulfilled the main point of the plan - to deprive Ukraine of statehood, then let them give up the entire left bank of Ukraine, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Odessa. True, the narrow passage to the Black Sea must be left; this will also be a victory for Ukraine. And in NATO and the EU they themselves have changed their sovereign minds - because it’s bad there (they demand loans in return).
  7. +7
    2 July 2024 06: 16
    Well, we are waiting, Istanbul is two, ours are always ready, most likely the stop on the LBS has already been discussed, now both sides will begin to prepare the population for making this decision.
    The Ukrainians learn that they stopped the hordes of orcs and they crawled home, and the lost territory was not needed.
    They will tell us that all the goals and objectives have been completed and that they have been stopped for humanitarian reasons.
    Anyone who disagrees is a foreign agent.
    1. +3
      2 July 2024 07: 32
      Well, in general there was a statement that there would be no ceasefire amid the negotiations.
  8. +1
    2 July 2024 06: 20
    Of course, you can laugh at the drug addict Ze, but what if you “look in the mirror”? Has Russia already achieved the stated goals in 22 in Ukraine?...
    1. +6
      2 July 2024 07: 43
      Did Russia stop the SVO?
      1. -6
        2 July 2024 07: 52
        I haven’t stopped, the West won’t let me stop. But he has been trying to stop it since March 22 by hook or by crook through an “agreement”
        1. +4
          2 July 2024 07: 55
          There is no need to treat me with bullshit tales about “negotiations”. There are Russian conditions, and if they are not accepted, the SVO continues further.
          1. -3
            2 July 2024 07: 58
            How can we combine today's conditions in Russia and the goals for Ukraine announced in 22? In my opinion, these are two big differences, there is little in common.
            1. +9
              2 July 2024 08: 01
              The main goal of Russia is to prevent the outskirts from joining NATO, the destruction (imprisonment) of the Nazis (denazification) and the dissolution (destruction) of the Nazi army (demilitarization). All this exists in today’s conditions and has always been the case. And it is precisely these goals that Russia is achieving.
              1. -7
                2 July 2024 08: 10
                What will change will Ukraine be in NATO or not, when Finland is already in NATO. For Russia, the main threat is not NATO. And who will destroy (put in prison) the Nazis, with what forces and means, given the “agreement” - will the Nazis destroy themselves? Oh well.
                1. +4
                  2 July 2024 08: 19
                  There is no need to compare Finland with Ukraine, where a violent Russophobic regime was imposed for thirty years. The outskirts are just a “test of the pen” for the West. And if they manage to drag the outskirts into NATO and consolidate the Nazi, Russophobic regime in it, then the next step will be to undermine all the republics within Russia into national conflicts, to a similar result as with the outskirts. And Russia will destroy (or then imprison) the Nazis. And it won’t be a “negotiation”, but the fulfillment of all the conditions set by Russia. There will be no fulfillment of the conditions - the SVO continues until the last dill.
                  1. -10
                    2 July 2024 08: 26
                    Blessed is he who believes ...
                    The weakening of national conflicts in the territories of Russia is already underway, not without the help of, of course, “internal” forces. And Ukraine has nothing to do with this.
                    1. +7
                      2 July 2024 08: 30
                      It's okay to believe in your country.
                      I know what's coming. Tsipsarya and their owners work tirelessly. And the situation on the outskirts has a direct bearing on this. It's all interconnected.
  9. +3
    2 July 2024 06: 40
    Kyiv has “already won”
    In this war, the winner will be Zelensky alone with his shobla. If he survives
  10. +1
    2 July 2024 06: 53
    Well, if they prove with foam at the mouth that the Hamasites are winning, despite the fact that they are scurrying around in holes like rats, then why shouldn’t the current situation be considered a great victory? Access to the sea is still preserved, and they even hold some part of the left bank for now. Borders with relatively friendly neighbors are controlled. Even new prodigies in the form of used F-404s are about to be received. Hamasites do not even dream of such luxury.
  11. -1
    2 July 2024 07: 20
    Where exactly does he talk about negotiations?
  12. +1
    2 July 2024 07: 23
    Of course, Russia is exhausted; we ran out of missiles in April 2022.
    Zelya’s dialer breaks down, I’ve split people like this in everyday life, when there’s complete denial, you catch on to the details and then the story comes. At the same time, I am neither an opera nor a sled. But I understand exactly one thing: Ukraine is doing badly.
  13. +1
    2 July 2024 08: 11
    In general, attempts began to cobble together something “from what was” and present it to the Ukrainians.
    Judging by the photos from Ukrainian cemeteries, they experienced “peryamoga” only in graveyards.
  14. 0
    2 July 2024 08: 18
    Wuxi is not dead - it’s already a success! He himself forbade any negotiations! How is that?...
  15. 0
    2 July 2024 08: 20
    Quote: Bearded
    The entire territory of Ukraine should either be included in the Russian Federation or in a union state. Only this will ensure our safety for a considerable time.
    No, we don’t need their cattle mass for any price. Cover it with dust and let it die indiscriminately.
  16. 0
    2 July 2024 08: 51
    Zelensky is trying to convince Ukrainians that Kyiv has already won

    Is the whole country hooked on drugs?
  17. 0
    2 July 2024 08: 52
    Zelensky is trying to convince Ukrainians that Kyiv has already won and it’s time to start negotiations

    and who will lead them with him? after all:
    In my video message yesterday Zelensky, who usurped power in Ukraine

    Or are we just talking about this?
  18. 0
    2 July 2024 10: 35
    Here are the peace talks.
    It's time to be.
  19. -1
    2 July 2024 10: 42
    What comments will Zhdanov, Svitan and Tsymbalyuk make on this issue?
  20. 0
    2 July 2024 13: 37
    He's a connoisseur of the Russian Federation for weapons and other things. Enough for a dozen like your pissing Ukraine.
  21. +1
    2 July 2024 13: 44
    So many funny turbo-patriotic comments. The negotiations were constantly talked about from our stands. Now they kicked him in the West so that he could start too, so he speaks according to orders. Only the goals of our negotiations are different. We need recognition of new territories plus our goals. They get the return of territories, EU+NATO, reparations and a gift of five hundred popsicles. It’s hard to even imagine how everyone will be able to sit down at the negotiating table with such positions. Will we push them through or will we strain ourselves trying to do this? Just a brain explosion...
    1. -1
      2 July 2024 14: 46
      Quote from Matsur
      They get the return of territories, EU+NATO, reparations and a gift of five hundred popsicles.

      Their conditions are of no interest to anyone. As the owners decide, so it will be. All these negotiations depend on the decision of the subjects of the conflict, and not on the object, which is covered from the formal side.
      Perhaps there are some outlines of agreements; further discussion is currently ongoing on how much Ukraine can be stretched and how much it can be used. This is my expert opinion, recognized throughout the world.
      Quote from Matsur
      Will we push them through or will we strain ourselves trying to do this?

      But here I agree with you, the question is who is ready to go further and what to sacrifice.
  22. -2
    2 July 2024 13: 50
    They are definitely not losing the war today. The external background changes. Trump's victory is close, Macron will be a lame duck, the liverwurst is going out before our eyes. There are still Englishmen left, but they alone are not enough. It is against this external background that fishing rods are cast.
  23. 0
    2 July 2024 15: 21
    Ukraine's refusal of territories. Does Ermak want money or is this a game by the Biden team?
    https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2024/07/02/otkaz-ukrainy-ot-territoriy-ermak-hochet-deneg-ili-eto-igra-komandy-baydena
  24. 0
    2 July 2024 23: 20
    Well, it is necessary to intimidate people so much that they agree with him. One hope is that the nationalist battalions will not agree with him and will try to remove him. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin to tame the Nazis, but they will resist and therefore kill each other. And we'll watch from the sidelines.
  25. 0
    2 July 2024 23: 25
    In the USA.. in France.. in Canada.. in Britain.. in Germany..

    Elections will not change anything anywhere. The West has placed its bet on the destruction of the Russian Federation. There are no more bets...
  26. 0
    4 July 2024 15: 58
    Who should I sit down with at the negotiating table? According to all international law, any document signed by Zelensky will not have legal force, because Zelensky himself no longer has any de jure powers since the spring))))
  27. 0
    6 July 2024 05: 20
    Wasn’t he the one who signed the law that any calls for negotiations with an “accressor” are a criminal offense?