Will there be a new Borodino or Prokhorovka? Why is the topic of a “general battle” being promoted in the media?

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Will there be a new Borodino or Prokhorovka? Why is the topic of a “general battle” being promoted in the media?

Very often I have to answer questions on topics that, from my point of view, are not on the agenda at all. Those questions that I have already spoken or written about directly or indirectly. Today this is exactly the situation.

Too often I hear or read about some upcoming “general battle” of the Russian and Ukrainian armies, about some August or September global battle between the Russian and Ukrainian aviation on American planes...



How many times have I written about the tasks of the Russian army for the spring-summer campaign? How many times have I said that we have no task to take Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk or Kherson. There is the task of destroying the Ukrainian Armed Forces and liberating the entire Russian territory.

Not only Donetsk and Lugansk, but Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. In addition, the task of creating a “sanitary zone” for the safety of our border areas. For those who don’t understand this, I’ll give you something to think about.

The liberated territories must not only be liberated, but also conditions for a comfortable life for people must be created there. This is the only way to reformat consciousness. Not with words, but with deeds. An ordinary person thinks more about his family than about global problems. And it costs money...

Talking about some kind of “general battle” is not just thinking about the topic. This is a direct slap in the direction of our military, a clear belittlement of the feats that they perform every day in the Northern Military District zone. It turns out that what is being done now is preparation for a “real” war. But when...

Revival of “past war thinking”


There is probably no reader who has not heard about those same “generals preparing the army for the last war.” And many somewhere inside themselves believe that they are not like that. They understand. And they would definitely prepare soldiers for a future war. In fact, talking about a “general battle” is “thinking about the past war”...

It is clear to me that Ukrainian analysts and experts are active in promoting the topic of “battle in the air.” A common element of information warfare. This fits perfectly into the tasks of the “information front fighters.” But why some of our analysts are doing the same thing is not clear.

“The situation in the air will change dramatically and Russian aviation will have to confront formidable American aircraft. “We will soon see, if not an aviation “prokhorovka,” then grandiose air battles in the skies of Ukraine.”

This is roughly what the reasoning of such specialists looks like. All that remains is to wait for the beautiful story about the “air hunters” who will scour their planes along the LBS in search of enemy aircraft. And the infantry – sit in the trenches and watch such “air shows”...

Alas, I will disappoint those who are waiting for such performances. “Vasya, Messers are on the right” does not happen in the modern world. It doesn’t happen simply because this same Vasya knows about the enemy long before a person can even see him. And Vasya can attack the enemy even when he is tens of kilometers away from his car. This is the reality.

So all the talk that the “battle for heaven” will determine the entire future course of the Northern Military District is nonsense. Yes, some difficulties will arise for the actions of our pilots. But nothing more. “American” is an excellent target, for the destruction of which all our air defense systems were designed, from anti-aircraft guns to aircraft...

How many predicted Prokhorovkas have we already forgotten?


What are my conclusions based on?

Yes, based on a simple comparison of the actions of the modern army and those that were studied earlier. Not only during the Great Patriotic War, but also other military conflicts in different regions of the world. Conflicts in which the armies of different countries participated, including such recognized warriors as Israel and the United States.

The armies of these very states used the experience of World War II in their operations. Those same “grandiose” tank battles. Tank attacks in large numbers to break through enemy defenses. But where and when? Only when we were sure that the enemy did not have all the information. Only when artillery and aviation are guaranteed to destroy the enemy’s anti-tank defenses.

But even this did not guarantee complete success. Today, most fighters have their own PTS. Not so powerful as to destroy a tank, but they can damage and disable them. And the Abrams and Merkavas burned quite regularly from old Soviet RPGs, ATGMs and ATGMs.

By the way, if we consider these operations from a military point of view, they were quite consistent with our ideas (still quite recently studied in universities) about the strategy of using tank forces and, in general, the strategy of strategic operations at the front level. Approximately the same depth for setting the nearest task (up to 200 km). Approximately the same rate of advance (20 km per day) and so on.

Is this possible in the SVO area?

No! There are several factors that completely reject such an offensive in modern warfare. How many times have we heard in the messages of the Russian Ministry of Defense the phrase “The Russian Armed Forces destroyed at... a concentration point... a brigade (several brigades), where units and formations intended to carry out a counter-offensive on...” were located.

Most people no longer even respond to these messages. Well, they destroyed and destroyed. A couple of battalions is not critical for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This is not some kind of “capture of Berlin”. In fact, this is a disruption of the offensive in some section of the LBS. It’s not even a matter of the number of l/s disabled, but the loss of the brigade’s ability to attack. That is, the whole formation did not reach the front line.

But let's return to Prokhorovki.

How many of these “grand battles” have we missed? Where are those grandiose defense breakthroughs by Leopards, Abrams and other Western evil spirits? Where are the tank raids behind enemy lines? Where, I don’t know, are the cavalry raids? Where are the partisan formations or raids of sabotage units?

No…

There was a “victory” after the supply of Turkish “standard bearers” (Bayraktar TB2). Then there was a “victory” from formations trained and armed by the West. The next “victory” with the appearance of the most “invincible” Western tanks. Now there is another “victory” associated with the appearance of American and Western missiles...

Here they are, those same failed Prokhorovkas. The same "weapon retribution,” which the Germans once hoped for, and now the Ukrainians. Alas, dreams always burst when such weapons appear. The same thing always happens. “It was too late. If they had given it six months ago, if they had given it a month ago, if they had given it yesterday, then...” And now it's too late. And it's always late!..

Another war, different laws, different nature of the database


Why did those laws of war that were considered fundamental just recently stop working? Really, why?

Laws always change for the same reason. They cease to correspond to the existing reality and become a brake on the further development of the system.

The main reason, in my opinion, for changes in military science was the change in the very nature of combat operations. If previously the opponents knew about each other only what the intelligence officers managed to find out, today the fighting is conducted almost in the open. The enemy knows almost everything that is happening not only on the LBS, but also in the deep rear.

Intelligence capabilities today have increased so much that carrying out even a minimal action without the knowledge of the enemy becomes a big problem. It is impossible to concentrate any more or less serious forces to carry out, for example, some kind of offensive. The enemy sees everything, and the element of surprise is lost.

Probably, any reader, having delved a little into his memory, will remember video footage of observation posts or secrets on the LBS. Footage of the destruction of dugouts in the rear and so on. Today there is no rear. There is no place where it would be possible to safely prepare reinforcements, where it would be possible to organize places for rest and reorganization of units withdrawn from the front line.

Thus, the training of personnel and their weapons come first. The readiness of fighters to carry out operations with the forces and means available to commanders. This is probably partly why the opponents spend quite a long time trying to capture large populated areas.

But the changes will not end there. They will continue and radically change the nature of hostilities. I won’t reveal any secrets; the beginnings of these changes are already visible to the naked eye. This is a connection! Not in the classic form, but everything related to communication.

How much trouble have American systems using the Internet caused us? Communication is almost instantaneous from the soldier to the army commander. What will happen to guided munitions when well-functioning “jammers” appear? What will happen to droneswho are actually terrorizing the fighters today? When will scientists find the ability to remotely reprogram rockets?

So, changes cannot be avoided. True, the danger can be stopped if military science is “ahead of the rest.”

Think and draw conclusions based on facts, not words


I know that I will provoke criticism from those who “haven’t read it, but I will speak out,” but I will end with a simple and understandable conclusion for everyone. Think and draw conclusions based on the facts you know. There is no need to blindly believe even the most respected experts and analysts.

I will repeat what I wrote at the beginning of the material. I consider all the talk about the upcoming “general battle,” no matter what type of combat operations they are conducted, to undermine the authority of our army. The army is doing its job. And, judging by the results, it does it well.

Arithmetic is necessary, but there is another way to achieve the desired result. This is what our army demonstrates today. In Ukraine they already understand perfectly well that the war is lost. Again, judging by what Ukrainian politicians and the media are talking about. All the talk about negotiations, Kyiv’s refusal of key demands until recently is the result of the work of the Army. The phrase “everything is decided on the battlefield” has already become a cliché.

The time when victory in a war was decided in one general battle ended about two hundred years ago. Do you remember how the Battle of Borodino is interpreted here and in France? Both sides won. But the war did not end with the capture of the capital. Victory in the battle ended with the complete defeat of Napoleon's army... Powers do not lose wars like that.

There will be no general battles. There will be opinions, some arguments and reasons... But this, again, is another element of the information war.
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  1. -1
    4 July 2024 04: 35
    Will be Panmunjom......... smile
    1. +12
      4 July 2024 05: 45
      There will be no general battles
      There will be a long bloody war...
      1. +2
        4 July 2024 06: 45
        There will still be confrontation, even when the fighting in Ukraine ends. This will last for years until a new “status quo” emerges.
        1. +1
          4 July 2024 16: 13
          Quote: TermNachTER
          This is for years

          No, for decades, and perhaps even centuries, as long as Ukraine exists, there will be no quiet life in Russia.
          1. +1
            4 July 2024 16: 45
            This is not about Ukraine. She's still just a tool. But I hope that some kind of status quo will emerge that the majority of players will tolerate.
            1. +2
              4 July 2024 21: 25
              Quote: TermNachTER
              This is not about Ukraine.

              This is precisely the problem, and until this is understood, the problem will continue to exist at the top.
              1. 0
                4 July 2024 21: 27
                Ukraine is a pawn in a big game. A new world order is at stake.
                1. +1
                  4 July 2024 21: 58
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  Ukraine is a pawn in a big game.

                  Don't underestimate the pawn. If we use a chess analogy, a pawn reaching the end of the other side of the board can become the strongest piece.
                  1. +1
                    4 July 2024 22: 04
                    Alas, life is not chess and Ukraine has no chance of reaching the end of the war. She is a bargaining pawn and will be knocked off the board and forgotten.
                    1. +2
                      6 July 2024 23: 18
                      Unfortunately, the West sacrifices other people's pawns, and we throw our own into battle. Still, the West dragged us into the war, it’s a pity that Putin and his comrades were unable to solve the problem of Ukraine through diplomacy and other non-military methods. We must admit that geopolitically we were outplayed (backed into a corner), which is why we had to start the SVO. And if we had captured the left bank of Ukraine, as well as Odessa and Nikolaev, it would have been a great victory, but now it is clear that the goals of the Northern Military District have not been achieved and the prospects are bad. Although the author in his article expresses fervent optimism, showing a lack of understanding of the current military-political situation.
                      1. 0
                        7 July 2024 00: 22
                        Alas, this is a natural course of history. In Korea and Vietnam, American pawns died, and the USSR provided assistance to the countries of victorious socialism. In Afghanistan and Ukraine, the opposite process happened. It'll be this way forever. It’s not for nothing that some Chinese strategist said: “The best victory is to win without fighting.” Or, it can be rephrased - fighting with the wrong hands.
      2. 0
        10 July 2024 16: 38
        Alas, it seems so. And long. And bloody...
    2. -8
      4 July 2024 07: 18
      There will be no Borodino battle; the chosen tactic is to grind down enemy personnel throughout the entire frontline, in the hope that the enemy will run out of motivated fighters, and those forcibly drafted into the army will not hold the front and will run away. Perhaps in the current conditions this is the right tactic, we’ll wait and see. The only unknown in this war equation is the possible entry of the NATO army into the war, but in this case it will turn into a patriotic war for our people, who have always won such wars.
      1. +3
        4 July 2024 11: 02
        Will it definitely become domestic with NATO intervention? Answer for yourself, will you personally go to the military registration and enlistment office if near, say, Kherson there are not the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but NATO forces? IMHO, of course, but if people are not ready to recapture the city, then this will not change anything... the problem is that for Ukraine this conflict, apparently, has already become a patriotic war, but for us something unpleasant and the hope that “I personally am not will be sent”... as an example, remember the number of people who want to defend Kyiv in 2022 and the number who want to defend Moscow in 2023...
        1. +2
          4 July 2024 18: 42
          If they call me up, I’ll go, even though I’m already 61 years old and despite our corrupt government, I love my Motherland and will defend it, in the 80s I served 2 years in the air defense. And you, sir, judging by your question, will you choose to surrender to NATO or die while facing the enemy?
      2. +6
        4 July 2024 15: 37
        Grinding the enemy is good, not grinding is bad - this is what the reader should be taught. There is no need to teach him that at the same time our troops are being ground down. In the end, it will end with someone running out of men faster. We have to think about Ukraine, but ours too will be greatly reduced. How is that? If you stupidly attack head-on or just sit in a trench, then what are the General Staff thinking about? I will say - about nothing.
        1. +3
          4 July 2024 19: 55
          I remember Surkov wrote at the very beginning that we have too many passionaries, we need to reduce them. So perhaps the Kremlin is not too upset about this
      3. +2
        4 July 2024 23: 28
        The author argues that modern military operations exclude decisive battles due to the lack of surprise and accompanying factors.

        Which leads to a kind of balance between attackers and defenders, as between supply and demand. And this balance is expressed in the tactics and strategy of grinding. The author thereby believes that the importance of all sectors of the front is the same, like butter spread on a sandwich! And since there are no breakthroughs in fact (the author does not even take into account the Kharkov direction in 2024 and 2022), this is proof of the absence of the possibility of decisive battles.

        However, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, naturally, neither in time nor in space. The author also does not believe that in every campaign there is a center of gravity, the destruction of which - sudden or not - leads to a domino effect... due to the destructive and massive kinetic impact, the decisive blow... sudden or not.

        In this campaign, this center of gravity is the Western border of Ukraine. A categorical disruption of arms supplies, sudden or not, will change the dynamic from grinding to mobile action where the balance of forces allows it.

        There is a military school that makes the decisive battle the goal of a campaign. The smaller the geography of the war, the higher the likelihood of its ending after such a battle. The reason for this is the disruption of the stability of the defenders and the lack of strategic depth. It is also important that the duration of the war is shortened and the casualties of both attackers and defenders are reduced.

        All this is known to the General Staff. Either there are no funds, or confidence, or political will.
        1. 0
          5 July 2024 22: 22
          Either there are no funds, or confidence, or political will.

          Modern means of transport make it possible to quickly transfer a couple of divisions closer to the Northern Military District line or to any section of the border within 12 hours. And then it went on by rail and road transport. Still, we have only about 100 heavy military aircraft, which can transport 126 paratroopers each with weapons or more than 20 thousand soldiers without heavy weapons. In this case, it is possible to involve all aviation, motor transport and railway transport.
          1. 0
            5 July 2024 22: 29
            Either there are no funds, or confidence, or political will.

            Modern means of transport make it possible to quickly transfer a couple of divisions closer to the Northern Military District line or to any section of the border within 12 hours. And then it went on by rail and road transport. Still, we have only about 100 heavy military aircraft, which can transport 126 paratroopers each with weapons or more than 20 thousand soldiers without heavy weapons. In this case, it is possible to involve all aviation, motor transport and railway transport.
            As for the impossibility of breakthroughs by large forces, this is also possible. During a breakthrough, it is possible to concentrate all the electronic warfare forces, small-caliber anti-aircraft weapons, eventually smoke everything, and in the end a series of airborne TN explosions will destroy the enemy’s defense line along with their drones. (and those who remain will be finished off by Siberian hunters with large shot (and this is not a joke)).
  2. +10
    4 July 2024 05: 35
    The author came up with a theme for himself and destroyed it himself. What general battle and where? Would you point your finger or something? War is made up of pieces. It is only later that we find out that this is where it was general.
    1. +2
      4 July 2024 05: 47
      It’s interesting how you manage to agree with the author and at the same time oppose him.? ....

      Although most likely there will be a similar battle on the ground and in the air and in space, but not in the current heating season and not with the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

      Because it is clear that this will not all resolve “by itself.”

      And no one in the West is going to make Ukraine into the most powerful military power in Europe, capable of fighting general battles and all that jazz. Apart from Zelensky, this is probably clear to everyone.
    2. 0
      4 July 2024 12: 43
      What general comparisons are there when everything that sticks its nose out of a trench is immediately attacked by drones and artillery... When in every trench there is a stinger or a needle/willow, and a little further away, respectively, s300/400 and other patriotic air defenses, what kind of air battles? When at 50 km no one will fly up to the forehead without having a chance of being penetrated. And given the training of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in handling such weapons, there will be friendly fire many times more often than ...

      But massive missile launches from afar, yes... But they will be more PR, since after each flight there will be losses both due to being shot down in the air and then arriving at the places of deployment. In short, nothing will happen. There will be war for many more years.... (here is the number of million-plus cities)
  3. +21
    4 July 2024 06: 06
    I wonder who is asking him questions? I especially smiled about the tasks of our army, our author is just an insider of the General Staff! And the passage about the liberation of territory and the destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces without taking cities is a masterpiece! The only interesting thing is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not come out of Mariupol and Bakhmut into the open field. Probably Staver didn’t read how they should be destroyed. The author has some kind of megalomania, it’s all “I” and “me” laughing
    1. +7
      4 July 2024 06: 44
      Here is another passage, about a couple of uncritical dry battalions. Staver forgets that this applies to us too.. Or he simply fulfills the order, because he cannot write a real Kama Sutra comme il faut. He has to lie and lie
      1. +12
        4 July 2024 09: 05
        hi I’m wondering, judging by the minuses of both you and me under the comments, many people agree with the author’s position. But there are too many comments in favor of the article. Why not write to such comrades, only with reasoning, without resorting to propaganda techniques, yes, the author is right and the liberation of territories is possible without the liberation of cities (although where will they go from these lands if they are standing there) and the Armed Forces of Ukraine should not enter the cities, but should stay in an open field and expose themselves to our attacks. Because I have such contradictions that don’t want to fit together in my head, she’s against it laughing
        1. +13
          4 July 2024 09: 13
          Well, when there is nothing to cover, all that remains is to minus, or nod to the notorious “tsipso”
    2. +8
      4 July 2024 10: 56
      Well, okay, I thought, let’s say the author is right, intelligence rules. Let’s say the author, with all the proletarian determination, correctly exposed the machinations of the enemy and some analysts who joined the enemy. But then you need to answer questions. 1. Why does the author believe that Ukraine has already lost the war, but there is no need to refer to the courage and heroism of the soldiers. Courage and heroism have their place, but if intelligence knows everything, then the soldiers cannot lean out of the trench without the risk of being noticed and hit. 2. The author claims that the task of the SVO is to liberate Kherson and Zaporozhye and finish the job. But, taking into account P.1, we conclude that the author is a storyteller, he contradicts himself. The author does not know how this can actually be achieved. And therefore all his reasoning goes down the drain. Is it possible that our dear Trumpushka will win the elections and joyfully order the Ukrainians to give up Zaporozhye and Kherson, but this is a joke..
      1. +12
        4 July 2024 11: 56
        May the author forgive me, but the article is pure verbiage. Ordinary citizens are not interested in “Prokhorovka or Borodino”. The result is interesting. In the meantime, we haven’t even reached Nikolaev. And people don’t understand what the former Ministry of Defense “reformed” if the army cannot reach Nikolaev and Odessa, and the deputies of MO-22 have personal cars, palaces and castles.
        1. +5
          4 July 2024 22: 14
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          In the meantime, we haven’t even reached Nikolaev.

          what Nikolaev? I wish I could get to Izyum! And the maximum is apparently to take Slavyansk. With such reforms, such deputy ministers will pour everything they can into their enemies, because for some reason children and grandchildren are there
  4. +10
    4 July 2024 06: 08
    Well, in the times of Borodino and Prokhorovka there were Patriotic Wars, and now it’s not even a war, not to mention that it’s not a Patriotic War, but only a military operation. So the sovereign commander-in-chief himself announced. And in fact, I don’t know what it was like during the time “at Borodino”, but during the time “at Prokhorovka” it is very unlikely that one would “appear to the people” out of happiness.
    overshadowed by reports from the battlefields, all sorts of silicone monsters would crawl out on stages from Moscow to the very outskirts, such as Lyubka Uspenskaya or Alka Apina and Nadka Babkina. Having lit up “for show” near the front line near the line of combat contact, they ran back to Moscow to the television studio. Arrogant, impudent, boorish, without tact and ethics, they host and “jury” obscene “shows”, the task of which is to make everyone forget that our soldiers are dying at the front and in general... that the future of the country... is us - silicone but the arrogant ones and all the victims of the country should give us and everyone who watches us “a care in the world.” Were such “individuals” given airtime and the main stages of the country during the “Prokhorovka era”? What are you comparing? From the "party" St. Petersburg and Moscow, Sochi and MurmAnsk are buzzing all night, are you comparing with the times at Prokhorovka???
  5. -4
    4 July 2024 06: 21
    I don’t agree with many things, but I agree that you need to look at the facts. And they, for the average person, are as follows (from personal experience): we don’t watch TV - it’s propaganda, what journalists to read is unknown, their characteristics do not indicate the goals of their work, so we go to YouTube (the easiest way for the average person) and watch... And YouTube, noticing the interest in the topic of Ukraine, carefully slips in videos of tsipso and “governments in exile,” jellyfish and similar garbage.
    This is what searching for news looks like for an unsophisticated citizen who has worked a shift at a factory or got out from behind the wheel at the end of the day.
    ZY on YouTube it is useless to remove such rubbish from recommendations - he slips in something else, but similar.
    1. +25
      4 July 2024 08: 01
      And the fact that people come from the front on vacation and tell stories that shouldn’t be shown on the news... And you’re talking about YouTube... Do they take people for fools?
  6. +1
    4 July 2024 06: 35
    Even if they wanted to create Prokhorovka, it would not have worked. For only one reason. 6 thousand tanks and 4 thousand aircraft took part in the Kursk Bulge. Despite all the desire, there are no such resources now. But at that time there was a reproduction of new equipment, and at a high rate.
    1. 0
      5 July 2024 23: 32
      Approximate quantity for 2024: 5340 tanks. RF
  7. +7
    4 July 2024 07: 31
    The main reason, in my opinion, for changes in military science was the change in the very nature of combat operations.

    Just like that?
    If previously the opponents knew about each other only what the intelligence officers managed to find out, today the fighting is conducted almost in the open.

    Just sift through all the “military science” from Cain and Abel, and you will find that you always knew exactly as much about the enemy as you needed to know. What did they not learn about the enemy at Cannes, Crecy or Austerlitz, and even at Borodino, the defense of Kyiv in 1941, etc. and so on. What would change the course of events in these battles?
  8. +8
    4 July 2024 07: 35
    An ordinary person thinks more about his family than about global problems. And it costs money...

    Who is it worth money to?
    Simple about family, ah Difficult person everything is about the global, yes about the global, there is no time to even think about family. laughing
  9. +13
    4 July 2024 07: 42
    I would like to ask the author what he understands by “the task of creating a “sanitary zone” for the security of our border areas”? What areas does he mean by “border”? - Belgorod and Kursk... or do the “border” regions also include Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, Zaporozhye regions? In what territory should a “sanitary zone” be created and how wide? What will the creation of this “sanitary zone” achieve, even if it is 200 km long, if Ukraine receives weapons with a destruction range of 300-500 km? The problem is that our goals and objectives in Ukraine (except for the “agreement”, of course) and by what means to achieve these goals are not entirely clear.
    1. +16
      4 July 2024 07: 50
      And most importantly, where did the good goals in Ukraine, voiced in February 22, go - the fight against Nazism, demilitarization and denazification, the protection of the Russian population in the territories of Ukraine from the Nazis?
      1. +21
        4 July 2024 08: 38
        They forgot about it. We had victories near Kiev, Kharkov, Kherson. Then everything was handed over. Now the assault on Volchansk has been going on since May. Chasov Yar is 15 km from Artemovsk and the assault has been a year. They shouted that all the LPR were liberated, but it turned out not to be so. DPR does not know when. We grind our personnel, but our personnel do not die. Like a sanitary zone and a vigorous offensive turned into defense.
        1. +2
          4 July 2024 22: 22
          Well, the Americans say that in the event of a strong offensive, attacks on the old Russian territory (probably even more entrances will be leveled in Belgorod with French missiles, but in the Kremlin they will tolerate it, of course), some wallets will probably be seized and someone at the university in London will Something forbidden will be planted. And then in a prank Clinton the other day said that if Ukraine overpowers, then they will choose Bidon. And someone not too long ago said that Bidon is beneficial for us. No matter how they decided to make another difficult decision under such a sauce, Kherson was lost to Congress exactly a week before the elections and the Republicans did not get a majority there
      2. +14
        4 July 2024 09: 09
        where did the good intentions go?
        These were not goals, but slogans...
  10. +6
    4 July 2024 07: 53
    I don’t agree about large operations; we ourselves started one in February of the year. One landing in Gostomel is worth it, an extremely risky operation, with a fairly large helicopter landing, which, according to our media, will be included in all military textbooks, an operation pulled out purely by our military and pilots, although thanks to the politicians there was no point in it, neither military nor political . And it is incorrect to say that other armies in the world are fighting based on the experience of old wars. We are opposed not by the Ukrainian headquarters, but by the joint headquarters of the NATO military, who also know how to plan and are actively coming up with something. Yes, no big battles are expected, because this is how the war is now, and both sides do not have such forces to organize a “Zerg Rush” and literally overwhelm the enemy with equipment and troops. Therefore, there is what we have, and this is what we have and work with
    1. +12
      4 July 2024 08: 42
      Instead of landing in Gostomel, it was necessary to land in Odessa and break through a corridor to Transnistria and cut off the Ukrainians from the sea. For this you need brains, but under the cap there is only one straight convolution.
      1. +6
        4 July 2024 09: 10
        but under the cap there is one straight curve And that one from her.
      2. -1
        4 July 2024 09: 33
        They pierced him. Through Kherson and Nikolaev. It just didn't work out.
        1. +2
          4 July 2024 10: 38
          It was easier through Ishmael
          1. +3
            4 July 2024 10: 42
            First it was necessary to ensure the landing. If the cruiser died there, one can imagine what would have happened to the BDK. They couldn’t even hold Zmeiny, let alone a bridgehead on the mainland.
      3. +3
        4 July 2024 22: 27
        Quote from Deon59
        it was necessary to land in Odessa and break through a corridor to Transnistria and cut off the Ukrainians from the sea

        But I think it was necessary to move from Brest to Lutsk and Lvov, smashing everything possible, to feel sorry for no one there and not to worry that we would get caught among our own, otherwise they would have been immediately cut off from Evraich. To the south of the Carpathians, it would be enough to collapse the bridges in the Odessa region, and the fleet would support the naval supply. But then all iPhones would be turned off, and the children would be locked up in London monkey bars.
      4. +2
        5 July 2024 06: 27
        So there was a landing in Nikolaev. Only it turned out to be, as it were, “unsuccessful.”
        There, in my opinion, there was a helicopter landing in two places and there was also an armored column.
        Only since we don’t like to mention it, it’s clear what happened there.
    2. +9
      4 July 2024 09: 32
      “We are opposed not by the Ukrainian headquarters, but by the joint headquarters of the NATO military, who also know how to plan and are actively coming up with something.”
      Well? if this joint headquarters, with all the restrictions on its activities, successfully resists the entire Russian Armed Forces, then what will happen if a direct war breaks out with NATO, without any restrictions on the other side? How long will Gerasimov and Belousov last?
      1. +4
        4 July 2024 13: 10
        That is why they are careful. No one knows where the ice will break and no one wants a full-fledged war. This is how we live - in peacetime in the rear. Cities that are not being bombed watch on the news how others are being bombed. And everyone just goes with the flow. Nobody knows how to get out of this.
  11. +16
    4 July 2024 08: 31
    How many times have I said that we have no task to take Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk or Kherson. There is the task of destroying the Ukrainian Armed Forces and liberating the entire Russian territory.

    Not only Donetsk and Lugansk, but Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.
    How can you liberate the Kherson region without taking Kherson?! The author completely reported laughing
    And in general, earlier someone claimed that Kherson would not be surrendered, but now it turns out they will not be taken wassat
    1. +10
      4 July 2024 09: 07
      How can you liberate the Kherson region without taking Kherson?!
      And Zaporozhye, without the capture of Zaporozhye, and Kharkov without the liberation of Kharkov? .. I will answer. It is possible. We will destroy all the manpower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the entire territory is ours .. Which we will populate with Kenyans, Tajiks, Afghans .. smile
      1. +5
        4 July 2024 10: 41
        Well, with such tactics of destroying the enemy, our losses are not small. We are already settling in with migrants at an accelerated pace.
        1. +8
          4 July 2024 11: 28
          Migrant settlement is proceeding at an accelerated pace.
          Maybe that's how it's meant to be
  12. +14
    4 July 2024 09: 02
    Think and draw conclusions based on the facts you know.
    There is only one fact: “No change on the Western Front.” The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have the strength to occupy the Kherson region and Zaporozhye and the remaining territories; the Russian Federation does not have the strength to completely liberate the remaining territories. It is so impressive that to Slavyansk, as to Berlin. During WWI, only during the Battle of Verdun, both sides were in In total, about a million people were lost, and the war did not end there.
    Very often I have to answer questions on topics
    Author, are we really asking you questions in our comments? At least make a link. Something like this. “Armenian Radio” asked me about the general battle and further in the text. We don’t even know who is asking you questions.
    1. man
      +8
      4 July 2024 13: 32
      Very often I accounts answer questions on topics

      Author, are we really asking you questions in our comments? At least make a link. Something like this. “Armenian Radio” asked me about the general battle and further in the text. We don’t even know who is asking you questions.
      It looks like the author’s tongue is being loosened by torture... and under torture you can’t say anything, you can’t answer anything...
  13. +11
    4 July 2024 09: 02
    The author himself invented all sorts of horror stories, collected dubious rumors from the yellow press and rushed to expose them. It’s convenient, just so as not to talk about the surrounding reality and not look at the bare facts. But the current existence is somehow not conducive to optimism. In this situation, there are two ways out - either stick your head in the sand and joyfully repeat at all corners that everything is going according to plan and we haven’t started anything yet, or still try (without hysterics and snot) to understand the situation. Identify subtle points and problematic issues. Only too many people in power could suffer from this / it’s not even prison that scares them, but the deprivation of access to the feeding trough / So such useless texts appear.
  14. +8
    4 July 2024 09: 27
    How many times have I written about the tasks of the Russian army...? How many times have I said

    Oh, forgive me generously, Vladimir Vladimirovich - they didn’t recognize us, we repent! )
    Since YOU “wrote and spoke,” how can we, stinkers, ask about something or contradict you, the radiant one? ))
    1. man
      +6
      4 July 2024 12: 52
      Quote: deathtiny
      How many times have I written about the tasks of the Russian army...? How many times have I said

      Oh, forgive me generously, Vladimir Vladimirovich - they didn’t recognize us, we repent! )
      Since YOU “wrote and spoke,” how can we, stinkers, ask about something or contradict you, the radiant one? ))

      By the way, they are the same age smile So everything can be ... what There are probably two Putins, one on TV complains that everyone is deceiving him, and the second on VO complains specifically about the General Staff
  15. +9
    4 July 2024 09: 35
    . In addition, the task of creating a “sanitary zone” for the safety of our border areas


    What is a “sanitary zone” and from what line is it considered and what should be its depth? Like an exclusion zone, without population? If the “sanzone” is from the old borders, then these will be new territories, and it turns out there will be “second-class” people there? If it’s to the west of the new territories, then this zone will run through the territory of another state, but will it agree and won’t there be constant terror from there and, as a consequence, another “pushing back of the borders” all the way to the Atlantic?
    The Russian Federation has the only “sanitary zone” in the West - Belarus, and then until the leader there changes
  16. +13
    4 July 2024 09: 44
    Political officer as usual...
    Very often I have to answer questions

    “Everyone who exalts himself will be humbled” (Luke 18:14).
    laughing
    Too often I hear or read about some upcoming "grand battle"

    Perhaps I’m wrong, but I’ve never heard of “general battles.” The six-month Epic battles for the forester’s huts or for house No. 6 on Zarechnaya Street in the town of Mukhovo are actually played out in the media.
    our task is to take Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk or Kherson

    Yes, we will not surrender Kherson! (c) Staver
    https://topwar.ru/203733-budet-li-sovremennaja-kurskaja-bitva-o-situacii-pod-hersonom.html
    The vast majority of readers remember your outstanding forecasts. About our future offensives, what we will take, about the fact that the top of Ukraine is about to be replaced by the West, etc.
    Yes, some difficulties will arise for the actions of our pilots. But nothing more. "American" is a great goal

    Tanks are not a problem, Highmars are not a problem, Atakms are not a problem, Patriot is not a problem, F-16 is not a problem. Everyone remembers these leader’s narratives. We'll kill everyone, chicken one grain at a time, etc. Yes, there are no problems at all with LBS. This is confirmed by the advance of the Russian army at a speed of 20-30 km in six months.
    What are my conclusions based on?

    Yes, I don't know, honestly. Mindflow..
    1. +7
      4 July 2024 10: 47
      Quote: Mishka78
      Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never heard of "general battles" ...

      Sometimes it seems that the author imagines military operations something like this (“Bari Lindon”) lol hi
  17. +13
    4 July 2024 09: 59
    I have never heard “about some upcoming “general battle””
    This is all reminiscent of fighting with windmills.
    And the standard course of propaganda: he himself came up with a fable, attributed it to someone, and exposed it himself.

    In reality: a small country of Russians (according to VVPutin), which almost sold out its entire army before 14, is at least somehow resisting the 1-2 armies of the world, with Shoigu, Serdyukov, Rogozin, Medvedev, Miller, Usmanov, oil and gas... and others efficient capitalists and officials
  18. -4
    4 July 2024 10: 16
    Correct article. There will be no general battles, tank battles or armadas of aircraft.
  19. +13
    4 July 2024 10: 32
    So all the talk that the “battle for heaven” will determine the entire future course of the Northern Military District is nonsense.

    In our realities, yes, but not in the world. Imagine the United States in our place? Do you think they would have just been trampling with frontal attacks for 2,5 years?) Because the strategy is outdated? No, it’s not like that. They would have carried out a large-scale air operation, with the destruction all air defense systems and headquarters and supply bases and so on. And this would be a general battle, after which all that remained was to finish off. This battle does not exist not because it is outdated, but because someone either does not want it or cannot hi
    1. +10
      4 July 2024 10: 47
      I agree, the United States would conduct a large-scale operation to achieve its goals. Our goal is a little different - to negotiate with our partners. hi
    2. +7
      4 July 2024 11: 32
      US doctrine is based on complete air supremacy before a ground offensive operation. Air defense suppression is a critical element. But this requires large air forces if we are talking about a state like Ukraine. The only problem is that no one prepared for such a campaign when planning the air defense. They hoped that there would be no resistance from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The advantage of the first strike was mediocrely lost.
      1. 0
        7 July 2024 00: 02
        The Americans can afford hundreds and even thousands of missiles in one salvo, since they have a lot of them. Therefore, they are capable of “bombing a medium-sized country into the Stone Age.” Doctor of Military Sciences, retired captain of the first rank Konstantin Sivkov stated that "the USA has 7500 cruise missiles, and we have an order of magnitude less", that means we have less than a thousand. And we have most likely already spent most of it.
  20. +5
    4 July 2024 10: 51
    The only thing the author is undoubtedly right about is that you need to think and draw conclusions based on known real facts, and you shouldn’t blindly believe the so-called “respected experts and analysts.” But judging by the article, for some reason he himself is in no hurry to follow this advice.
  21. +6
    4 July 2024 10: 56
    I learned about the upcoming general battle from this article. From it I learned that he would not be there. The same article cited two battles that the author called general and which, within the framework of those wars, were not the last, or the only ones, that decided the fate of the war, that is, in fact, they were not general either.

    The author's dispute with himself using non-obvious arguments led to the author's victory.
  22. +1
    4 July 2024 10: 58
    Strange article... What does the author mean by the term general battle? Battle of Kulikovo? So there was no war there. Battle of Borodino? So, according to the author, this is no longer a general battle? Battle of Stalingrad? Battle of Kursk? This is not, not general battles?
    And what about the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine last year and its failure?
    It is clear that the tactics of maintaining a database have completely changed. But key maneuvers and assaults have not gone away and will not go away.
  23. +1
    4 July 2024 11: 11
    There is no need for any general battles, they need to attack on several directions at the same time, they will not have enough strength to plug all the holes and the front will collapse. But it seems that the strategy of waiting until the enemy is unable to do so has been chosen; this summer there is again no heating available, which has been expected since the spring.
  24. -10
    4 July 2024 11: 44
    I agree with the author. A rare adequate opinion regarding one’s own on the topware.
    Of course, lovers of Shapiro and Simonyan will not understand this. But sensible people perceive current reality on the same wavelength as the author.
  25. +12
    4 July 2024 11: 47
    Staver needs to move to the news section. His writings will be in demand there.
    Because you go to the news, and there it’s sooo good. Hooray-patriotic, just grace.
    We have defeated everyone, the enemy is fleeing, the so-called expired Zelinsky has quarreled with supposedly Nata, the so-called Atakms are not delivering, the world and Nata are shaking in horror in front of Putin’s red line, and Scott Ritter says that this is the end of the drug addict’s regime. And everyone joyfully celebrates and furiously upvotes each other, no less furiously minus those who allow themselves to doubt the genius of the tactics and strategy of the leader of the nation.
    There is the great Putin and the swindler Shoigu (though 3 months ago he was also great).
    There is the pochvennik Putin and the scoundrel Western liberals.
    There, the statist Putin single-handedly fights the hydra in the Duma and the government, which against his will are raising our taxes, raising the pension age, bringing in migrants, etc.
    It’s actually amazing how two parallel realities coexist on one site.
    1. +2
      4 July 2024 12: 52
      It’s actually amazing how two parallel realities coexist on one site. I'll tell you more, there ↑ there are even more of them! For myself, for the “inner circle”, “distant”, for “partners”, for who knows who else, and then our “earthly”. And for those who celebrate joyfully and furiously plus each other, so generally parallel smile
    2. man
      +6
      4 July 2024 13: 39
      Quote: Mishka78
      Staver needs to move to the news section. His writings will be in demand there.
      Because you go to the news, and there it’s sooo good. Hooray-patriotic, just grace.
      We have defeated everyone, the enemy is fleeing, the so-called expired Zelinsky has quarreled with supposedly Nata, the so-called Atakms are not delivering, the world and Nata are shaking in horror in front of Putin’s red line, and Scott Ritter says that this is the end of the drug addict’s regime. And everyone joyfully celebrates and furiously upvotes each other, no less furiously minus those who allow themselves to doubt the genius of the tactics and strategy of the leader of the nation.
      There is the great Putin and the swindler Shoigu (though 3 months ago he was also great).
      There is the pochvennik Putin and the scoundrel Western liberals.
      There, the statist Putin single-handedly fights the hydra in the Duma and the government, which against his will are raising our taxes, raising the pension age, bringing in migrants, etc.
      It’s actually amazing how two parallel realities coexist on one site.

      And only articles about migrants unite absolutely everyone laughing
  26. +3
    4 July 2024 13: 46
    Very often I have to answer questions on topics that, from my point of view, are not on the agenda at all. Those issues that I have already spoken or written about directly or indirectly

    From the first paragraph it is immediately clear who the author is and you can safely pass by.
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  28. -4
    4 July 2024 14: 00
    Quote: parma
    The problem is that for Ukraine this conflict, apparently, has already become a patriotic war, but for us it is something unpleasant and the hope that “they won’t send me personally”...


    Well, if the men there flee the country like this when they have “Patriotic...” on, then the song of Ukraine is definitely sung.

    It would be nice to see what this conflict means for European citizens. They are also clearly not eager to attack, and why would they die for the “Papuans”?
  29. -3
    4 July 2024 14: 23
    I will repeat what I wrote at the beginning of the material. I consider all the talk about the upcoming “general battle,” no matter what type of combat operations they are conducted, to undermine the authority of our army. The army is doing its job. And, judging by the results, it does it well.


    But let's return to Prokhorovki.


    In fact, the general battle (Prokhorovka) has already begun and is consistently gaining momentum. Only this time the scale is different, from Kherson to Kharkov, the methods and weapons are different, but the meaning and goals are the same.
  30. +7
    4 July 2024 16: 13
    Another war, different laws, different nature of the database


    Continuing the author’s ideas, it can be argued that for the first time in world military history we are dealing with a war where victories are measured by both sides in square kilometers.

    Maybe it wasn’t the reel, but that several decades of thoughtless military reforms simply deprived the Russian army of the ability to conduct even army, not to mention front-line, offensive operations?

    And all other reasoning is from the evil one.
    1. -1
      6 July 2024 00: 58
      Maybe it wasn’t the reel, but that several decades of thoughtless military reforms simply deprived the Russian army of the ability to conduct even army, not to mention front-line, offensive operations?

      And all other reasoning is from the evil one.


      Maybe the fact is that the Army does not win, but crushes enemies, but the state wins. You can arrange an infinite number of “Warsaws”, “Pragues”, etc., but, despite the appearance of victory, remain the losing side.
      1. 0
        7 July 2024 00: 14
        It’s just that the Russian army cannot give such a pitched battle, so we need to somehow justify it, explain it and make it clear. This is where such authors are needed to cast a “shadow on the fence,” and since it is difficult to “wash a black dog white,” this is why the article turned out to be indistinct, confusing and divorced from reality.
        1. 0
          7 July 2024 00: 35
          Fan-fan
          Today, 00: 14
          It’s just that the Russian army cannot give such a pitched battle, so we need to somehow justify it, explain it and make it clear. This is where such authors are needed to cast a “shadow on the fence,” and since it is difficult to “wash a black dog white,” this is why the article turned out to be indistinct, confusing and divorced from reality.


          The Russian army can hold and advance on a front line more than 1000 km long, but cannot give a general battle. Maybe he doesn’t think it’s necessary, or the time hasn’t come. Why give a general battle when the enemy is full of strength, determination to fight and has reserves?
  31. kvv
    +5
    4 July 2024 17: 09
    then the question for the author is how they were able to accumulate forces and resources in the summer offensive of 23, although it was not successful, but they were preparing and somehow managed to concentrate both l/s and equipment there, why didn’t we destroy them on the march to lbs
    1. +6
      4 July 2024 17: 46
      how they were able to accumulate strength and resources during the summer offensive of 23

      I'll add. This counterattack was not withstood without difficulty. They retreated and still have not reached those levels of early summer 2023 everywhere.
  32. +5
    5 July 2024 01: 10
    The article is pretentious, rather superficial, but claims to be a “new vision” of military science and the laws of war, in particular... True, with a “custom-made” taste, but perhaps I’m mistaken.... There are some points made by the author that I would like to clarify.... To Mr. Staver: I’ll start with the laws of war... These laws are classic, there are few of them and they “work” in any war, I repeat, in any battle, even in a street war, when one street is fighting against another.... The laws of war NEVER cease to correspond to reality... A competent military leader (commander of any rank) “inscribes” the current reality into the law of war, trying to extract the maximum benefit from this reality... About the “general battle”... It always was, is and will be, Mr. Staver... This battle puts an end to the military confrontation and, as a rule, completely deprives the enemy of all illusions about a possible different outcome of events, even the most incredible ones, and does not discredit the army, as you think...... Even if this “general battle” takes place at the negotiating table, however, if a politician who knows and understands the laws and rules of war sits at the negotiating table... Mr. Staver, your thesis about the role of intelligence in modern warfare “.....carrying out even a minimal action without the knowledge of the enemy becomes a big problem...” As a rule, for a competent, intelligent, experienced military leader (commander) who knows the laws and rules of war, to carry out any actions, up to the regrouping of troops or units, is a completely solvable task, even “without informing the enemy about it”, for this there is a standard set of principles and rules included in the laws of war, which cadets study already in the 2nd year of military school, and this knowledge is consolidated and “deepened” in military academies....... Regarding the rear... There is no rear and does not exist for that military leader, Mr. Staver, who does not know the principles of its organization, provision, and does not show due attention and care to it (the rear)... Regarding the “battle for the sky,” Mr. Staver, our Aerospace Forces were simply lucky, at the initial stage of the Northern Military District, that in a certain sense, well-planned attacks on the military aviation infrastructure of Ukraine brought the Ukrainian Air Force out of “equilibrium” and all subsequent air confrontations were conducted with the domestic aviation technology, performance characteristics and capabilities, which are known and predictable... How things will go when “foreign” aviation appears in the sky, and with NATO pilots - it may be a completely different “movie”... I admit that it may not come to “dog dumps,” but our air forces and air defense will have to “sweat.” And without “clear skies overhead”, our Armed Forces (air superiority of the Russian Aerospace Forces), you can forget about any offensive, the liberation of some territory, including even the forester’s hut near Khatsipetovka... I won’t even comment on the section of the article, the author, about “Prokhorovka” - it’s some kind of nonsense... Now, about something called Ukraine and the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Mr. Staver, no one in Ukroreich is going to understand that the war is lost, do not mislead the readers of VO.... Perhaps these are your “wet dreams”? But! They are so far from reality... Regarding the Ukrainian Armed Forces: Also, a fairly motivated, well-packed army in all respects, fighting with Slavic tenacity... With sufficiently competent, professionally trained commanders of all levels... Our General Staff, together with the Ministry of Defense, has something to work on... By way of reference, for "military specialist" A. Stavera: War may be “different”, in accordance with the current moment, circumstances, era and technical capabilities of the warring parties, but the laws of war, its rules, remain unchanged.
  33. +7
    5 July 2024 04: 41
    Probably, such a long progress of the SVO is caused by several reasons, the first is that the level of the SVO leaders does not correspond to the assigned tasks. Two and a half years of war and ongoing frontal assaults speak volumes, including the low level of leadership of the Northern Military District. It is not only the enemy who suffers losses. I wonder what they will do in the Moscow Region when the number of volunteers in the military registration and enlistment offices dries up, and their number begins to decrease. Money is good, of course, but being meat in frontal assaults doesn’t suit everyone. The second reason is the lack of necessary weapons in the army (we see what kind of equipment is being brought from storerooms and a bunch of homemade products at the forefront). The Black Sea Fleet can do little to oppose it at sea and now it has actually been withdrawn from participation in the Northern Defense Forces; aviation cannot suppress air defense, which is necessary to confidently defeat the enemy at the front, and even better behind enemy lines; air defense cannot provide continuous protection along the front line. The brave reports of various governors about the suppression of enemy drones (all is well) are for some reason refuted by the “successful” falls of debris on oil depots, oil refineries, electrical substations of cities, airfields and residential buildings. Not to mention strategic facilities (strategist airfields, missile launch detection stations). Taking into account the above, it is not surprising that there is talk about a peace treaty coming from every voice at all levels of government. Now this is the most important moment. Therefore, there is no point in expecting any attacks, there is nothing, and soon there will be no one. Sorry for the pessimism, but IMHO.
    1. 0
      8 July 2024 22: 43
      Sorry for the pessimism, but IMHO.

      Don’t lose heart, even though all these (huge) shortcomings exist. But we have tactical nuclear weapons. And if we don’t increase the GDP, then we may well ruin a lot of people and things.
  34. 0
    7 July 2024 01: 52
    The new Borodino and Prokhorovka require countless troops and military equipment. Where will they come from in Ukraine, if “the general said” Konashenkov had long ago completely buried them in his victorious reports? laughing
  35. 0
    7 July 2024 16: 35
    Quote: Alexey Lantukh
    Still, we have only about 100 heavy military aircraft, which can transport 126 paratroopers each with weapons or more than 20 thousand soldiers without heavy weapons.

    But we still have a stronger figure than 20 seasoned, well-motivated paratroopers - "special representative of you-know-who" Roman Abramovich.

    Everyone forgot how, during the Istanbul trial, he seemed to happen to be nearby.
    Everyone remembers what happened next.
    An outstanding “peredlocation” operation that Zhukov and Rokosovsky would envy!
    I wonder if Stalin had such a special representative, with the same ethnic background (Israeli citizen), when our troops stormed the Seelow Heights, how long would the siege of Berlin have lasted?

    There is an opinion that if Abramovich had been Stalin’s adviser at that time, Berlin would still have resisted.