FPV drones will soon lose relevance, at least that's what the French army thinks: pros and cons

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FPV drones will soon lose relevance, at least that's what the French army thinks: pros and cons

"According to the Chief of Staff of the French armies Pierre Schill, FPV-drones will soon lose their dominant role on the battlefield. Now FPV drones carry out up to 80% of strikes during the Ukrainian conflict, but already this year at the Eurosatory-2024 exhibition dozens of systems for combating drones, both kinetic and electronic warfare. According to Schill, all French vehicles in two years will be equipped with anti-drone systems capable of hitting them with missiles or ammunition with a programmable detonation...”

This is a very bold statement, at a time when FPV drones are hovering by the thousands over the line of combat contact (LBC) in Ukraine, inevitably changing the appearance of the battlefield, the French are declaring that their era will soon end. At the heart of their claims is the belief that in the next few years, ground combat vehicles will receive protection against FPV drones that can significantly increase their survivability. In particular, we are talking about advanced electronic warfare (EW) and kinetic weapons, primarily turrets equipped with rapid-firing small-caliber automatic cannons with ammunition, with controlled detonation along the trajectory.

Is it really? This is what we will talk about today.



EW


Undoubtedly, electronic warfare has a huge impact on FPV drones, forcing them to continuously evolve, and it is also certain that due to electronic warfare, both sides are irreversibly losing some FPV drones. Moreover, according to information from a number of sources, Ukrainian electronic warfare systems, or more precisely, electronic warfare systems received from Western countries, often turn out to be more effective than Russian ones, despite the “escaped American destroyer Donald Cook.”

At the same time, for example, the developers and manufacturers of FPV drones “Gadfly” in their telegram channel say that developers of electronic warfare equipment will always be two steps behind the developers of FPV drones. It is also necessary to understand that protection using electronic warfare is not an impenetrable fence from the ground to the boundary of space; in fact, electronic warfare can only cover limited areas of the terrain.


Electronic warfare complex "Tetrahedron". Image Telegram channel “Gadfly | Tula"

If we are talking about individual protection of equipment using electronic warfare, then it has a fairly compact coverage area, as a result, FPV drone operators simply attack the vehicle from the top projection - even if the drone loses contact with the operator at the final stage of the flight, it still falls on the target and its charge detonates. Even if the charge does not hit the vital components of the target, it will certainly disable the electronic warfare equipment, the antennas of which are placed on top of the armor, and the final job of destroying the target will be completed by a second or third FPV drone.

In addition, a number of FPV drones have intelligent optical targeting systems at the final location - just as your smartphone captures faces with a camera, an FPV drone captures images tank or a self-propelled artillery mount (SAU), after which the influence of electronic warfare equipment will no longer deviate it from the target.

Small-sized missiles


Small-sized anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) - well, they certainly will not become the mainstream in the fight against FPV drones. Firstly, any missile defense system will always be more expensive than the corresponding FPV drone.

Secondly, detecting FPV drones “creeping” above the ground at a long range will be difficult, almost impossible, therefore, it will be necessary to fight them in the near zone, and in this area missiles are ineffective, since they do not have time to gain sufficient speed to ensure the necessary maneuverability with using aerodynamic rudders.

Thirdly, it will be very difficult to ensure target distribution between several small-sized missiles when attacking a flock of FPV drones, and there is no doubt that they will attack at least in small groups.

Of course, all these issues can be solved - you can install perfect homing heads on missile defense systems, high-tech radar stations (radars) on protected vehicles, a gas-dynamic control belt for maneuvering at low speeds, but all this brings us back to the main obstacle - cost, and the cost is so “sophisticated” “The missile defense system will be like a hundred, or even several hundred, FPV drones.


Concept of a CUDA interceptor missile with a gas-dynamic control belt - this will cost as much as a couple of hundred FPV drones

Remote detonation on trajectory


It is believed that just small-caliber automatic guns with projectiles with remote detonation on the trajectory will become one of the main ways to combat FPV drones.

Of course, the Skynex complex destroying a slowly and steadily flying group of drones in Rheinmetall’s promotional video using the above projectiles looks impressive, but what if the FPV drones are not flying in such a dense group? What if they “creep” above the ground or trees?

Rheinmetall promotional video.

But the main thing is again the cost. According to open data, the cost of one projectile with remote detonation on the trajectory is four thousand euros, and this is four times more expensive than a fairly advanced FPV drone, and yet an automatic cannon even fires 3-4 projectiles in a short burst, that is, twelve to sixteen thousand euros .


Anti-aircraft artillery complex (ZAK) Skynex from Rheinmetall, firing projectiles with remote detonation along the trajectory

Yes, the cost of projectiles may decrease with large-scale production, but the cost of FPV drones still has room to fall, especially if they are truly large-scale production on robotic conveyor lines.

Thus, small-caliber automatic guns with projectiles with remote detonation on the trajectory can be quite effective against relatively large unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) like "Geran-2" or UAV-bombers, for example, made on the basis of agrodrones, but their effectiveness against FPV drones is highly questionable.

KAZ


Perhaps, at present, this is the direction that can give ground combat vehicles at least some protection from FPV drones, however, not everything is smooth here.

Existing active protection systems (APS) are simply not designed to work against targets such as FPV drones; apparently, they do not even work on them due to restrictions on the minimum target speed. We remove the restriction - and here you have false alarms for birds, stones and pieces of soil scattered during close explosions, and possibly also for infantry soldiers accompanying the tank.


The Israeli KAZ “Trophy” is essentially the only serial KAZ on the planet; apparently, it cannot cope with FPV drones, but Israel is already refining it to solve this problem

Nevertheless, KAZ will almost certainly be adapted to combat FPV drones, but in any case they will not provide 100% protection to the equipment. For example, to counter KAZ, paired launches of anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) or hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers (RPGs) are used; in this case, the KAZ usually manages to destroy only one approaching ATGM, while the second one passes protection and hits the target.

If necessary, FPV drones can attack not even in pairs, but in a couple of dozens - it will still be cheaper than a pair of ATGMs.

Shotgun


We have already said more than once that the widespread use of shotguns can increase the protection of ground units from FPV drones. Increase, but not completely eliminate their use; in addition, the more fighters are armed with shotguns, the more inclined they will be to defensive rather than offensive actions.

To effectively protect, for example, a tank, and at the same time yourself, from FPV drones, you will need many fighters. Many fighters in one place is an interesting target for the enemy, which can be targeted with conventional high-explosive fragmentation shells or multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) shells with cluster warheads.

That is, shotguns will help defend against FPV drones, reduce their effectiveness, but certainly will not remove them from the battlefield.


It is possible that due to FPV drones there will soon be more shotguns in the army than Kalashnikov assault rifles

From the point of view of protecting ground combat vehicles, it is possible to place on them some kind of turrets that fire grapeshot ammunition; in Russia, such an anti-drone turret is being created at the Lobaev Foundation.

Such turrets can be placed both directly on the protected combat vehicles themselves and on remote-controlled ground robotic platforms, providing cover, for example, for tanks, from FPV drones and other threats.

By the way, even if the turrets are placed directly on the tank itself, they can be controlled remotely, for example, from a covering infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), since the crew in the tank is small - they already have enough tasks, and the IFV can quite comfortably accommodate, for example, two turret operators and two UAV operators, designed to conduct reconnaissance directly in the interests of the specified tank, while the specified support IFV can be located a couple of kilometers from the tank.

But even anti-drone turrets with buckshot ammunition will not completely solve the problem of FPV drones, but will only increase the survivability of ground combat vehicles for some time.

Laser and microwave weapons


Laser and microwave weapons there is great potential against FPV drones. The design of FPV drones is not able to withstand either powerful laser or microwave radiation - plastic melts easily, electronic components are not protected in any way, and in any case the antennas will remain open.

Now there is an opinion that a laser weapon is a large machine with a complex cooling system and an equally large power source. However, this is not always the case, for example in materials Three important milestones indicating significant progress in the development of laser weapons и Directed energy weapons have arrived on the battlefield we talked about the 10-kilowatt (kW) Phantom laser module from Northrop Grumman.


Northrop Grumman 10 kW Phantom laser module

Potentially, such modules could be installed on every armored vehicle - It is not difficult to provide 20-30 kW of power in a modern combat vehicle, especially if it has a hybrid power plant.

However, here the question arises of how to aim it - automatically, then the combat vehicle will need to be equipped with highly effective means of detecting small targets, capable of operating in rain, dust, and under the influence of small-caliber small arms. In addition, even a 10 kW laser will spend at least a few seconds destroying one FPV drone, but what if several dozen are attacked at once?

What if they set up an ambush, placing themselves in the grass along the direction of the tank’s movement, and then suddenly attack from a distance of ten meters?

Microwave weapons are similar - potentially they can be placed directly on armored vehicles, but they will not become a panacea, but will only limit the effectiveness of FPV drones and force their operators to change tactics, for example, attack in a dive from above, as is now done to overcome electronic warfare systems - even if the electronics fail, the FPV drone will still fall on the target and its “stupid” ammunition will detonate.

Most likely, the first to appear will be microwave weapons on separate carriers, capable of covering a space with a radius of several kilometers from FPV drones, especially since such systems are already being developed by the enemy. But here we return to the fight between “shield and sword” - there will be such complexes, they will be hunted in order to “open the sky” again for FPV drones.

Conclusions


We can say that FPV drones have become a kind of evolutionary selection factor, and a very serious factor forcing changes in technology and tactics of its use.. It’s not so easy to get rid of FPV drones, just as we can’t get rid of annoying blood-sucking insects - it’s not for nothing that the Tula FPV drone was called “Gadfly”.

Of course, the development of means to combat FPV drones will reduce their effectiveness - it will hardly be possible to destroy a tank with one or two FPV drones, but the number of FPV drones on the battlefield will increase significantly. In any case, according to the cost-effectiveness criterion, one tank will cost much more than a hundred FPV drones - here the situation is similar to the situation with ATGMs.

Moreover, you cannot install anti-drone protection on all objects - the situation on the battlefield changes too quickly, and an increase in self-defense means against UAVs, including kamikaze UAVs, including FPV drones, will reduce the offensive potential of ground units due to the fact that they have to think more about their defense than about the enemy's attack.

The issue is that to operate large numbers of FPV drones, we need many trained, skilled operators - this is the next challenge we will have to solve after we roll out production of FPV drones in the millions.

In the meantime, we can say that the French are clearly rushing things, and that the use of kamikaze UAVs in general and FPV drones in particular is still just beginning.
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  1. +6
    3 July 2024 05: 03
    In my opinion, the most effective means against drones should be fighter drones, just as after WW1 fighter planes became the most effective means against bombers. Regarding the armament of such fighter drones, it’s probably impossible to say anything for sure right now; these could be machine guns, automatic canisters, and drop nets... time will tell... But this particular direction seems to me the most logical... and it’s clear that such fighters must have some AI capabilities, this area will develop most intensively, and I would not be at all surprised if in a decade the battlefield will be dominated by robots: flying, running, crawling, swimming...
    1. 0
      3 July 2024 06: 17
      A fighter drone for destroying enemy drones will most likely appear on the basis of a racing drone. And in ideology it will be a “super-cheap missile defense system.” A battery for 2-3 minutes of flight, a speed of 200-300 km/h, a camera with software that aims at a target recognized as an “enemy drone”, an explosive charge and that’s it... Although even an explosive charge is optional. You can make it a durable body and knock out enemy drones with a ram - this way it can be enough for several targets. And if you're lucky, even for several combat missions. They recently wrote about such a development: https://topwar.ru/245421-v-rossii-razrabotan-dron-kamikadze-dlja-perehvata-bespilotnikov-protivnika.html
      1. +1
        3 July 2024 12: 46
        And as for me, this is the same weapon as the one described in the article. Perhaps it will notice something on the battlefield, but not everything. The biggest issue will be the difficulty of detecting and targeting the target. Of course they will come up with something. But for some reason I am more inclined to believe that most likely heavy military equipment will simply begin to disappear. Highly armored delivery boxes for infantry and drone targeting operators are more likely to appear. And everything else will be done by drones.
      2. +1
        14 July 2024 23: 46
        Even on federal channels there were reports of drone fighters shooting down drones with rams or dropping nets from above.
    2. +1
      3 July 2024 21: 35
      The main problem is the detection of the intercepted drone by the fighter drone. Now the operator directly controlling the drone sees a picture in a narrow sector in front of him. Therefore, they work in pairs: the specified operator and the “navigator”, who monitors the situation/movement of the drone in a wide-angle format and tells the operator where to fly. How do you imagine intercepting a drone in conditions of dynamic movement of both it and the target? Conclusion: interception is a weakly effective means. Well, unless the interception outfit is at the level of “10 interceptors for 1 target”...
      1. 0
        4 July 2024 07: 56
        The main problem is the detection of the intercepted drone by the fighter drone

        I didn't specify the target search method. Obviously, working in radio wave ranges will be ineffective, firstly, because the RCS of the target when using plastic will be small. Secondly, placing a narrow beam antenna on a fighter drone would be difficult. Therefore, the visible range remains (i.e. installing a video camera on the drone) and the IR range at night. It is possible to use thermal imagers with good resolution at night; now they have begun to produce quite good and cheap thermal imagers (we use them to find faulty heating elements on printed circuit boards).
        The search, of course, needs to be automated as much as possible. Data pre-processing is required by microcontrollers in the drone itself with preliminary identification of suspicious objects and their capture for tracking; the operator must only finally identify the target and make a decision to destroy.
        I think the ratio between attack drones and fighter drones will be close to 1:1.
        1. 0
          4 July 2024 08: 05
          Technically, yes, you are right, this can be done. But can you imagine how much more complicated/more expensive such an interceptor would be compared to a simple drone? He himself will become a desired target for destruction. And then full-fledged drone air battles will begin. Taking this into account, it should be more than 1:1
          1. 0
            4 July 2024 09: 31
            I have been developing quite complex systems for many years, and I can imagine how much it would cost. The most expensive elements of a drone are the engine (especially turbojet engines, smaller internal combustion engines, electric brushless ones are the cheapest) and optics (good optics, not a plastic lens). Electronics also costs money, but not exorbitantly; in most cases, an STM-32 level controller (this is just a few thousand rubles), other components, printed circuit board manufacturing, installation, configuration, etc. will be sufficient. in large-scale production they are quite liftable. The ratio of drones in numbers may be slightly different, but it is unlikely to differ by an order of magnitude. Air battles between drones will soon become commonplace.
  2. 0
    3 July 2024 05: 14
    the use of kamikaze UAVs in general and FPV drones in particular is still just beginning.
    So the French are wrong.
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  3. +1
    3 July 2024 05: 25
    in fact, electronic warfare can cover only limited areas of the terrain.

    More than 10 years ago, the “underdeveloped” DPRK trained for 3 days on its neighbors, suppressing GPS and cellular communications. So much so that Incheon Airport, with the closest distance to the DPRK of 40 km, had to be closed, and planes were sent to airports in the south, China and Japan. Then the southerners complained to the UN ICAO and the northerners stopped the experiments. Therefore, the author’s thesis sounds a little far-fetched. It’s just that it won’t be possible to use your own drones, or the officials who decide such issues are busy with more important matters. How to bait a colleague and get a promotion, etc.
    The author compares European weapons systems with Chinese drones. Even Chinese-made electric cars in Europe are several times cheaper than similar European ones. There will be people here who will continue to whine that this is Chinese crap. Well, Chinese drones are also Chinese crap. Those. Is this good shit that doesn't smell?
    1. +1
      3 July 2024 06: 21
      "The author's thesis sounds a little far-fetched."
      Regarding electronic warfare, perhaps.
      And the conclusion that drones are new in the development of means of armed warfare is absolutely correct. But listing the best methods against UAVs is incorrect. An integrated approach is best, from the destruction of operators, electronic warfare to smoke and nets. And new anti-drone air defense tactics, of course.
    2. 0
      3 July 2024 11: 55
      More than 10 years ago, the “underdeveloped” DPRK trained for 3 days on its neighbors, suppressing GPS and cellular communications.

      So what? The question is not the possibility of jamming as such - the question is power, efficiency and protection his weapons from his jamming
      1. 0
        3 July 2024 12: 38
        The question is not the possibility of jamming as such - the question is the power, efficiency and protection of your weapon from its jamming

        You did not read carefully or did not understand the comment you are commenting on. I hope there is no need to explain. Just re-read it.
        1. 0
          3 July 2024 12: 42
          You did not read carefully or did not understand the comment you are commenting on. I hope there is no need to explain. Just re-read it.

          if you wanted to kick our officials, you did it sluggishly, without soul
          1. +1
            3 July 2024 12: 54
            OK then. The author writes that the effect of signal suppression equipment is limited in range. The devices themselves have been used in the world for a long time, but their range of action is usually limited by the size of the room. I gave an example that it is not difficult to create devices with a long range.
            if you wanted to kick our officials, you did it sluggishly, without soul

            The enemy also does not use long-range signal suppression means. Therefore, by your logic, I wanted to “kick” their officials too. You are fixated on information warfare.
            1. +2
              3 July 2024 13: 29
              . I gave an example that it is not difficult to create devices with a long range.
              exactly on it I answered -
              the question is the power, efficiency and protection of your weapon from being jammed
              Greater power is required - the installation will obviously be stationary
              Efficiency is sufficient at high power and stationarity.
              The protection of everything from jamming - with sufficient power and efficiency - is zero.
              1. +1
                3 July 2024 20: 20
                Let me add that anti-radar missiles are available to combat highly emitting targets. A powerful jammer will not work (because for now it is a stationary thing and can be easily knocked out), but an anti-drone with machine vision is already a reality today, make the body stronger and even ram it with shot in flight, shoot the miracle drones,
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  4. +3
    3 July 2024 05: 42
    Potentially, such modules can be installed on every armored vehicle - it’s not difficult to provide 20-30 kW of power in a modern combat vehicle, especially if it has a hybrid power plant.

    Very doubtful statement.
  5. 0
    3 July 2024 06: 17
    If you think, do the math and... as always, the one who undertakes to solve the problem comprehensively has every chance of creating more effective protection against dangerous flying little things!
    What will be included in comprehensive comprehensive protection... but let's see, not everything necessary has been invented and implemented in practice yet!!!
  6. +1
    3 July 2024 07: 17
    Let's just say that a person will not experience such a creature in his own skin, he will not understand, now Russia and Ukraine have the greatest combat experience in using FPV drones, I am sure that the French and the Americans and the British look and think that these gray-legged ones cannot cope with toys, so we would show you how to do it. It passes.
  7. 0
    3 July 2024 07: 58
    There is no method against scrap yet.
  8. -1
    3 July 2024 08: 24
    The Russian Armed Forces created the ZVeraBoy buggy to destroy copters and FPV drones.
    https://vk.com/video-213127547_456314518
    Military personnel of the air defense unit of the Southern Group of Forces independently developed buggies to combat drones.
    This vehicle, called "ZVeraBoy", is equipped with two turrets, a six-barreled shotgun and six expelling charges with shot around the perimeter, the division commander with the call sign Krivich told TASS.
    According to Krivich, the idea of ​​​​creating a mobile tool to combat drones appeared a long time ago. The vehicle combines equipment already used in aerial surveillance posts and mobile counter-drone capabilities into one FPV drone-killing device.
    The body of the buggy was welded by military personnel. On the front of the vehicle is a turret with two PKT machine guns and a homemade six-barreled muzzle-loading shotgun between them. The turret is equipped with a thermal imaging sight, the image from which is displayed on a monitor on the passenger seat. Control and shooting are automated and carried out from the passenger seat.
    The rear turret, which can rotate 360 ​​degrees, is equipped with six twin AK-12 assault rifles that fire simultaneously. In addition, six short shotgun barrels are placed around the perimeter of the buggy, which can fire 7,62mm bullets bonded with wax.
    The vehicle is undergoing the final stage of testing and will soon be sent to the front line.
  9. +2
    3 July 2024 08: 28
    According to the chief of staff of the French army, Pierre Chille...

    this is the most important thing in this article
    But the opinion of our General Staff, I’m not asking about the opinion of the chief of staff (there is still no opinion visible), is there an opinion of the General Staff?
  10. +3
    3 July 2024 08: 41
    All this is good, both KAZ and shotguns, electronic warfare. And when they start attacking tanks, for example, in a swarm of 20-30 pieces. No KAZ will survive and it will still be cheaper than a tank
  11. 0
    3 July 2024 08: 42
    Never blindly believe the 'info' coming from western press. Always take it with a pinch of salt. Don't forget the fact that Russia is under heavy 'infowarfare'. In 2024, Russia is a master in Kamikaze Drone Warfare (Kdw). Russia, significantly increased the lethality and accuracy of Kdw. The west is envy of Russia's dominance in Kdw. The scope and prospects of Kdw are increasing day by day.
    1. +4
      3 July 2024 09: 26
      Are they really jealous with black envy? Don't wishful thinking. Ukrainian drones are a very serious problem for the Russian Federation.
      1. -1
        3 July 2024 10: 29
        You want to know the cause for western jealousy? I will tell you in detail. smile The Anglo-Americans never thought about the 'bulk supply' of drones from Iran to Russia. Russia rose to a global leader in Kamikaze drone warfare within a short span of time. In the history of Anglo-American wars, they never saw such a large scale destruction of multi-billion dollar - Made in USA, weapons. The destruction of Abrams, Challengers, Leopards, ATACM complexes, Bradleys etc greatly embarassed the 'Anglo-American psyche' . The 'Super Ego' of the collective west was single handedly pulverized by Russia. The west is shocked to see the destruction of super-duper weapons made by the western military industrial complex. The west invested billions of dollars to market their wonder weapons. The extensively used Hollywood movies (Pentagon funded) for this purpose. Russia already won the Psychological warfare against the west.
  12. +1
    3 July 2024 08: 50
    The mass proliferation of drones can be combated by combating or limiting the production capabilities of drone manufacturers.
    It is possible that drones may be equated to weapons of mass destruction or something like that.
    In general, without any doubt, drones and their production will be legally equated to weapons with the corresponding conclusions. Which is what they are.
    Let's see how everything develops further.
  13. +1
    3 July 2024 11: 43
    They will not lose their relevance, but their effectiveness may decrease significantly. For interception at long ranges, a multi-shot FVP fighter suggests itself. For self-defense BT-KAZ short-range, and for self-defense hp. you need multi-bullet cartridges 5,45. (example cartridges for the Carcano rifle)
  14. +1
    3 July 2024 13: 32
    What I understand is that now there is a search for cheap and effective means of countering UAVs. So that they can counter both single and swarm attacks with an efficiency close to 100%, but at the same time their price should not be higher than that of attacking drones.
  15. -2
    3 July 2024 15: 24
    KAZ needs to be made cheaper.
    For example, use charges for mine clearance. Spent 5 kilos thrown 10 meters above the tank and blown up with an ordinary cord, they will demolish any drone. And the price is pennies
  16. +1
    3 July 2024 15: 40
    One of the most important points is missing - the control point. Finding the location of operators and destroying them by any traditional and non-traditional means. Even if remote antenna devices are used, their damage will interrupt the drone attack. In addition, remote antennas cannot be located indefinitely far from the operator, so calculating the estimated location and striking the area will thin out the number of villains.
  17. 0
    3 July 2024 15: 44
    Again, lasers that burn out the guidance optics, the power is minimally sufficient, the cost is low, the guidance system is by contrast in the sky or manually, the ammunition is accumulators/batteries.
  18. 0
    3 July 2024 18: 08
    The advent of anti-tank artillery did not kill tanks.
    Moreover, a gun costs much less than a tank.
    But with drones it’s the opposite. Plus it's a matter of quantity.
    Mass-produced cheap drones will continue to be more effective than anti-drone weapons for a long time... Yes, they will suffer losses. But they are economically beneficial.
  19. +1
    3 July 2024 22: 01
    If you attach a special planning module with explosives to the UAV, which is disconnected from it at a certain moment. This module will be able to carry out gliding controlled flight to a given destination.
    The absence of a power plant and a small wing span should ensure low visual, sound, thermal and radar signature. This is how it really can be, only practice will show.
  20. +2
    3 July 2024 22: 33
    Of all the above, the KAZ looks the most interesting in the short term. Even if at first it will be shooting crows, but something like a mini-AGS with remote detonation of shrapnel will work even at several fixed distances. For example 10, 30, 50, 70 meters. Such a projectile will not cost thousands of euros.

    The simplest method is, of course, electronic warfare. But here it turns out to be a double-edged sword, any electronic warfare is a radio beacon that you carry on your hump. Powerful electronic warfare can be seen from hundreds of kilometers away; even Garm will not regret such an enemy. An ordinary field one, like the one in the photo, is still visible for tens of kilometers and is easily detected by radio electronics. They write that with an accuracy of up to 50 m, which allows you to simply hit with artillery.
  21. 0
    3 July 2024 23: 09
    Why not carry out an emergency “clearing of the sky” with a volumetric explosion? The shock wave will destroy the drones or knock off their propellers. A pressure of 10 kPa and a damage radius of about 100 meters are sufficient. All that remains is to develop a compact ammunition with AI..
    1. 0
      15 July 2024 00: 13
      Why not carry out an emergency “clearing of the sky” with a volumetric explosion?
      EMP charges no longer help? How will the pressure drop from a breeze explosion affect a plastic conductor?
  22. 0
    4 July 2024 15: 41
    Give any simple, literate person in Russia money and authority. He will show such drones that everyone will have to shut up. But you should hurry, because he simply may not make it in time. In addition to money, you also need time.
  23. 0
    4 July 2024 16: 26
    or maybe try to fight not with the tip of the “sword”, but for example with its “handle” or with the one who holds it, in any case, an integrated approach and automation of all processes is needed
  24. 0
    4 July 2024 18: 11
    There are mines around the perimeter of the tank and a motion sensor specially configured for the drone. That's all the protection is.
  25. 0
    6 July 2024 09: 42
    What a funny character. Hasn’t he heard of neural networks? Nowadays electronic warfare systems work great (even though you can’t cover the entire frequency range with electronic warfare alone, so on some tanks they are used by 2-3 stations (as evidenced by Kuperstein’s video about the barbecue kings)). But sooner or later they will create neural networks for identification and guidance, and then electronic warfare systems will become ineffective.
    1. 0
      7 July 2024 09: 52
      Everything is already there, it’s just that crooked hands cannot integrate it into serial products
  26. 0
    7 July 2024 07: 33
    If the French had found themselves in such a meat grinder, then different conclusions would have been drawn. Everyone fancies himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the outside.
  27. 0
    7 July 2024 09: 51
    I think it's just beginning
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  30. 0
    14 July 2024 23: 39
    All in all. So far, neither lasers, nor shotguns, nor turrets really help. If, at the next step, manufacturers add to the drone firmware behavior similar to that of a warhead, when it moves towards the intended target along a random trajectory, a whole lot of problems will be added. At the moment, the battle is mainly fought with civilian drones. When the defense industry calves and begins to produce drones improved for military requirements en masse, it will be necessary to look for an effective antidote. So far, a direct solution is ineffective.
  31. 0
    2 August 2024 21: 09
    For the monthly salary of a motorized rifle platoon, you can refute the Frenchman’s assertion.
    .
    And anyway, why believe these nonsense? I remember that in the spring of 2020 they were talking about the uselessness of masks... you have to pay your own, raise your own, ask your own.
  32. 0
    12 August 2024 06: 55
    “according to information from a number of sources” - why do they constantly hide behind this clever wording, why don’t they write who exactly it is.
  33. 0
    12 August 2024 22: 53
    For example. A new soldier, after initial training, costs the American taxpayer something a little over $50. At the same time, he is wearing clothes and weapons worth from 4 to 15 thousand dollars. In the simplest configuration, he is armed with a machine gun for about 600 dollars, but his helmet and armored armor are already worth 2100.
    Let’s say he’s traveling in a $210 Humvee with three comrades.
    And here the price of 12-16 thousand dollars, in order for these investments to survive, does not seem like some prohibitive amount.
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    16 August 2024 06: 53
    Thus, small-caliber automatic guns with projectiles with remote detonation on the trajectory can be quite effective against relatively large unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) like "Geran-2" or UAV-bombers, for example, made on the basis of agrodrones, but their effectiveness against FPV drones is highly questionable.

    Probably, what is meant is not “efficiency”, but “price feasibility”, like, expensive. But this is a matter of relativity. A projectile that can remotely detonate roads relative to a drone, but is cheap relative to protected equipment. If you install an automatic turret with a radar on the T-72 instead of an open-type anti-aircraft machine gun mount, then when interacting with smoke screens, the tank restores its effectiveness on the battlefield.

    One can consider a massive multi-directional drone attack on a single tank, but with group interaction of tanks, the effectiveness of such an attack will decrease significantly in modern conditions of individual control of drones. If we add to this a network-centric control system for at least these turrets controlled by AI, then it’s absolutely beautiful. There will be no need for barbecues.

    In a couple of years, the issue can, in principle, be resolved.
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      14 September 2024 08: 28
      If an automatic turret with a radar is installed on the T-72 instead of an open-type anti-aircraft machine gun mount, then when interacting with smoke screens, the tank restores its effectiveness on the battlefield.

      Conventional artillery will be used to detect radar emissions.
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    5 September 2024 09: 00
    I would like to understand whose fault it is that the UAV topic has not received due development in the RF Ministry of Defense? Why did this topic become so relevant only with the beginning of the SVO? Are there any other problems, for example, with communications, intelligence means. I would like to understand the military-technical component of the future RF Army.