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"Ilyushin" will buy from the Canadian Bombardier 32 airliner CS300

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The Russian company Ilyushin Finance Co. (IFC) will purchase the same aircraft from the Canadian Bombardier 32 airliner CS300 with another 10 option, the amount of the transaction without implementing the option will be 2,56 billion dollars, said the Director of Public Relations of the Canadian company Mark Duchene.




According to him, the amount of the contract in the case of the option will be 3,42 billion dollars. In the presence of Denis Manturov, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, the IFC General Director Alexander Rubtsov and the head of Bombardier’s commercial aircraft production unit, Mike Arcamon, signed the agreement, ITAR-TASS reports.

As Duchesne noted, the Russian delegation, which flew to Montreal, where Bombardier’s headquarters is located, paid a short-term visit on Tuesday evening to the CS300 assembly plant in Marabel (Quebec). “President Bombardier Pierre Baudouin met with Minister Manturov,” Duchesne added.

“There are great opportunities for the CS300 airliner,” said Mike Arcamon at the signing ceremony. “Airplanes of this series are perfect for operation in such a vast region as Russia.”

In his turn, Rubtsov noted that for IFC this is the first such large order made from a foreign manufacturer. According to him, CS300 will take place between the Russian aircraft Sukhoi Superjet-100 and MS-21 of the Irkut corporation, which the company will also purchase.

A narrow-body twin-engine aircraft CS-300 is designed for 120 – 145 passengers. According to Bombardier, this mid-haul liner, which uses modern composite materials, is the most environmentally safe in its class.

The aircraft of the Canadian company Bombardier of other modifications are used by Russian air carriers from 2003 of the year. Thus, at present in Russia and the CIS more 80 turboprop liners of the Q-200, Q-300, Q-400 series and CRJ-100 and CRJ-200 regional jets are operated.
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  1. Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 22 February 2013 07: 07 New
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    I honestly hoped that Ilyushin-finance would still be used for what it was created for - for the purchase domestic civilian aircraft and leasing them to air carriers on favorable terms.
    However, we will not draw hasty conclusions. Bombardier is also a small player in the market, so perhaps we are talking about consolidation. It is only a pity that it is in this category that there are Russian and Russian-Ukrainian aircraft.
    1. Cat
      Cat 22 February 2013 07: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      hoped that Ilyushin-finance would still be used for what it was created for.

      and he’s used for this wink

      But the fact that IFC was created
      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      for the purchase of domestic civil aircraft and leasing them to air carriers on favorable terms
      - this is just your opinion, and it is not said anywhere that the creators of the said company think the same way. And you, judging by the nickname, are far from a child, it’s time to already learn to perceive reality as it is - and not how it is stated from high stands and advertising booklets =)
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 22 February 2013 09: 33 New
      0
      Yeah, they talked so much about the restoration of aviation ...
    3. avt
      avt 22 February 2013 10: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      I honestly hoped that Ilyushin-finance would still be used for what it was created for — for the purchase of domestic civilian aircraft and leasing them to air carriers on favorable terms.

      Да полноте ! Все посреднические фирмы создаются для зарабатывания бабла . А касаемо канадских аэропланов ,так что вы хотели ? ГСС ради супджета вытоптало все более или менее конкурентные проекты .И где взять реальные самолеты ? АН ы ,даже выкупленные -украинские ,нельзя . ТУ-334 - ,,устарел" да так что Погсоян никому документацию не продает . Что еще ? ИЛ -114 ? Ну летает где то у узбеков парочка . Все это давно можно было ожидать ,ничего неожиданного .Вот скоро еще Эмбраер бразильский увидите .
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 22 February 2013 10: 54 New
        0
        "Российская компания «Ильюшин Финанс Ко» (ИФК) закупит у канадской Bombardier 32 авиалайнера CS300 с опционом на еще 10 таких же самолетов, сумма сделки без реализации опциона составит 2,56 млрд долларов, сообщил директор управления по связям с общественностью канадской компании Марк Дюшен."

        Shame !!! There is nothing more to say! negative
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 22 February 2013 07: 10 New
    0
    Good morning everyone! hi I don’t even know if it’s good or bad that they ordered these planes. Who understands this issue enlighten me?
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 22 February 2013 07: 37 New
      +3
      It’s good that people will fly on new airplanes - this means safety, reliability and comfort. The bad thing is that they again took advantage of this abroad, although the nuclear-space power seems to have to provide itself with such things
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 22 February 2013 09: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: Dangerous
        It’s good that people will fly on new airplanes - this means safety, reliability and comfort. The bad thing is that they again took advantage of this abroad, although the nuclear-space power seems to have to provide itself with such things

        Our country is already an airborne half-corpse.
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 22 February 2013 10: 33 New
          +1
          good morning everyone and now let's turn on the head and remove the pathos emotions
          -type for this must be shot winked

          who is capable of producing civilian aircraft and how much?
          go fast

          according to the plans of 2012, our companies were to receive 36 new aircraft of domestic assembly - 24 superjet, 1-IL-96-300,9-AN-148,2-TU-204,1-TU154M
          And then these plans were fulfilled in half, a total of 18 boards were made (12 superjets, 3-an-148,2 TU-204-300,1-IL-96-300PU

          that’s all that our industry was able to do with modern wide-body aircraft, it simply doesn’t exist, and in 2012 our companies purchased 127 new aircraft from Airbus and Boeing and 420 supported import aircraft (sum is astonishing)

          PS- The result at the moment we are not able to produce competing aircraft and in large quantities, for example, a Boeing produces about 600 a year !!!!!!! new boards, for example, VASO was able to make one IL-96-300 and 3 AN-148 in a year

          Therefore, foreign cars (planes) are bought abroad
          for example, the new Aeroflot Airbus A330-300 aircraft that he regularly receives from the manufacturer
          and on my own I’ll say I’d rather fly a Boeing than on the same TU-204 my family’s safety is more expensive for me
          1. slas
            slas 22 February 2013 11: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Rustam
            PS- The result at the moment we are not able to produce competing aircraft and in large quantities, for example

            Do not take for rudeness BUT WHO DOES YOU DOCTOR?
          2. Horde
            Horde 22 February 2013 17: 35 New
            0
            Rustam,
            and on my own I’ll say I’d rather fly a Boeing than on the same TU-204 my family’s safety is more expensive for me


            you would not only be imported planes, but also cars, shmutki, kokakolu with burgers, vacation in Hawaii, on boigu island arrived on watermelon departed, an American wife nigger and get the typical OBSCHECHELOVEK -otorvi yes emissions.
            Our aircraft industry has been intentionally destroyed for 20 years, they are not allowed to breathe, where does the NK-93 unsurpassed engine be asked? and here you are with your stupid comments ...
            1. Dangerous
              Dangerous 22 February 2013 21: 23 New
              0
              Any normal person would prefer a Mercedes grant, a vacation in European hotels with European services to our dirty and hamatish Black Sea, etc. Is a black American your dream?
              1. Horde
                Horde 22 February 2013 23: 23 New
                +2
                Quote: Dangerous
                Any normal person would prefer a Mercedes grant


                a normal RUSSIAN MAN ALWAYS would wish that a Lada was better than a Merc, and the Soviet AVIAPROM was always in leading roles in the world, which is why and that’s why he was THREATED by NON-RUSSIAN freaks who came to power in the 90s.
                But the current generation doesn’t just need to know about this, therefore myths are created that our planes are unsuccessful and unreliable. For four years of the war, our planes could STATE advanced German planes in technical perfection and win the war. We can do everything. WE CAN'T JUST ONLY OUR? GOVERNORS FINANCE OUR DEVELOPMENTS.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 22 February 2013 10: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      I don’t even know if it’s good or bad that they ordered these planes.

      So what's so good about it? When our leadership claims that the Tu-204 has no prospects! Then they close the production of Tu-154! All this suggests that our aviation industry is going to the bottom with an ax! negative
    3. slas
      slas 22 February 2013 11: 01 New
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      I don’t even know if these planes ordered for good or bad

      Хорошо или плохо что заказали "супер джип" Ивеко для Российских ВС ?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 22 February 2013 11: 11 New
        0
        Пример не удачен. Готового к производству аналога "Ивеко ЛМВ" в России нет.
    4. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 22 February 2013 12: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Good morning everyone! I don’t even know if it’s good or bad that they ordered these planes.

      For some people it’s good, but for Russia as a whole it’s bad, soon only the production of gas and oil production platforms will remain. It is bad that there are no people left in the state apparatus of Russia who are able to establish production at home, and Tu can probably be buried already.
  3. knyazDmitriy
    knyazDmitriy 22 February 2013 07: 27 New
    +6
    Yes, for this it is necessary to put to the wall. This is an undermining of the country's national security.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 22 February 2013 07: 35 New
      -3
      What is security undermining? These are civilian aircraft. Look out the window - everywhere imported cars, trucks and buses, around you at home imported household appliances and even the computer from which you write)
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 22 February 2013 11: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Dangerous
        What is security undermining?

        Go to any store and see who produces consumer goods!
        Quote: Dangerous
        Look out the window - everywhere imported cars, trucks and buses, around you at home imported household appliances and even the computer from which you write)

        And you think this is good? request You still forgot about the underpants, T-shirts, jeans and imported socks that you wear!
        1. knyazDmitriy
          knyazDmitriy 22 February 2013 11: 57 New
          +2
          in fact, the auto industry was never strong in our country, probably only the gas-21 kept pace with the times, and civil aviation was always at the forefront, I certainly understand that 20 years have not passed without a trace, but the Tu-204 is no worse, although a little larger in size, and with such purchases companies kill the rest. therefore, I say that this is an undermining of security. and if you want to talk about security, let's go !!! I'm not against
        2. Dangerous
          Dangerous 22 February 2013 13: 36 New
          -1
          Good or not good - not for me to judge. But my car is imported and I am very pleased with it. By the way, and who minus my previous message - the one who writes from the domestic computer?)))
      2. Larus
        Larus 22 February 2013 12: 14 New
        0
        This is not for you carriers who are looking for a cheaper place. This is it.
    2. Hort
      Hort 22 February 2013 08: 18 New
      +2
      the problem is that now we are not able to provide ourselves acc. aircraft equipment. We have a production of less than 100 hot water per year. This is not even serial, but piece... And you need to fly on something.
      It is hoped that the development program of the aviation industry will be fully implemented ...
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 22 February 2013 10: 43 New
        +1
        production less than 100 ghv
        ________
        lope lope - and the amount of 18 boards as you

        that's why they buy Airbuses and Boeing as well as bombardier and soon Brazilian embaers

        here's a photo of the cockpit of the new Aerbus A330-200 Aeroflot
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 22 February 2013 11: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Rustam
          here's a photo of the cockpit of the new Aerbus A330-200 Aeroflot

          There is something to be proud of !!! negative
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 22 February 2013 11: 31 New
            +2
            And why not be proud? An ultra-modern long-haul aircraft with the latest systems and a glass cabin

            the only hope for my beloved IRKUT corporation with their level of production (the only plant that modernized production itself and now produces products on time and in the right quantities (true for military purposes) -That's how to work, and not to grab the pockets and the bills, and invest in production)

            I’m personally waiting for the MS-21 - the last hope of the empire, but we’ll have a look but I’m sure that Demchenko and his Irkut will be able to cope with this task
            1. Hort
              Hort 22 February 2013 13: 25 New
              0
              It will be possible to begin to be proud of him, when in 2015 the first board will be released for flight tests. while he is in the purge stage in a wind tunnel ...
              but I'm sure that Demchenko and his Irkut will be able to cope with this task
              I really want to hope and believe that they will succeed.
              By the way, we have one more project: Frigate Ecojet
              1. Rustam
                Rustam 22 February 2013 13: 29 New
                +1
                about pride, I mean Aeroflot Airbus A330-200
        2. FID
          FID 22 February 2013 11: 31 New
          +5
          And this is the cabin of IL-96-300. Can you find the difference? And the fact that ALL Aeroflot aircraft (except IL-96 and SSZh) are registered in the Bahamas - how is it? And they buy Bobby and Airbus for kickbacks, though they call it commissions, but the essence does not change. Before discussing security, which you don’t understand, I’m sorry, think about the fact that industrial production in Russia has fallen three times. And the aircraft industry is a backbone industry.
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 22 February 2013 11: 38 New
            0
            think that industrial production in Russia fell three times
            ________
            And what did I talk about earlier? who is to blame for the fact that so far we are releasing 18 boards for 2012 all over the country? I probably? or miracle, the heads of USC and other officials, as well as the directors of plants and top managers of these enterprises

            so let's not
        3. Hort
          Hort 22 February 2013 13: 23 New
          +1
          Well, I'm talking about what. For 12 years, 22 sides were fired (or 18 according to other sources). It's all less than 100 wink
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 22 February 2013 11: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: hort
        the problem is that now we are not able to provide ourselves acc. aircraft equipment.

        Superjet 60% of imported parts! One name Dry and that’s good!
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 22 February 2013 12: 09 New
          0
          Yes, yes, yes, of course, we’d better get over 1-2 boards a year, but then we’ll be full of pride, they say our native is 100 percent. At least you beat your head against the wall, but the only program that can really increase the production of civilian airliners in Russia in the next 2-3 years is Surzh. This is selawy
          1. FID
            FID 22 February 2013 12: 23 New
            +2
            He will not fly. Only eight ports in Russia can accept it. He is regional ....
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 22 February 2013 13: 01 New
              +2
              Dear SSI, good afternoon. If you are talking about the scorer, I frankly don’t know, although it’s unlikely that he differs from the 737 Bobby in this respect, but if you are talking about Surge, it’s not so, here’s the list where the Aeroflot flies (quite old): Anapa (AAQ) , Astrakhan (ASF), Budapest (BUD), Bucharest (OTP), Vilnius (VNO), Volgograd (VOG), Gelendzhik (GDZ), Dnepropetrovsk (DNK), Donetsk (DOK), Dresden (DRS), Yekaterinburg (SVX) , Kazan (KZN), Copenhagen (CPH), Krakow (KRK), Minsk (MSQ), Nizhnevartovsk (NJC), Nizhnekamsk (NBC), Nizhny Novgorod (GOJ), Novosibirsk (OVB), Odessa (ODS), Orenburg (REN) ), Oslo (OSL), Perm (PEE), Samara (KUF), St. Petersburg (LED), Sofia (SOF), Stockholm (ARN), Ufa (UFA), Chelyabinsk (CEK), Tyumen
              add to this Yakutsk and Khabarovsk so vskidku.
              1. FID
                FID 22 February 2013 13: 21 New
                +3
                Well 10 ports. I mean Russia and super. I don’t know how much he will last in Yakutsk. Aeroflot is likely to push his daughter. And how will he fly with his daughter? Well, I don’t know, I don’t know ... We sat down in the deep ... with this super. Sorry for both money and workers. If they themselves did, maybe something worthwhile came out, and so .... MS-21 is the next in this series. Bombardier will score him, by golly!
                1. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 22 February 2013 13: 35 New
                  +1
                  Come on, don’t worry so everything will be a bunch. Che here guessing an autopsy will show, as they say, if they don’t push out at least 20 boards this year, then it will be bad. Well, the Irkutsk residents should not worry about the bombardment, they have 2 reasons to outstrip the weightier A and B, maybe. they with MS-21 climb into their sandbox.
                  1. FID
                    FID 22 February 2013 13: 51 New
                    +1
                    Irkutsk citizens do not shine at all, I think so ....
                2. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 22 February 2013 13: 54 New
                  0
                  Speaking of birds, if the flight radar does not lie, then today 95025 still took off - it's 11 Aeroflot in it over 9000 3 sartira, all as aeroflovotsi dreamed laughing
                  1. FID
                    FID 22 February 2013 13: 58 New
                    +3
                    This is not the eleventh, but the first to replace. All 10 will be changed ...
                    1. evil hamster
                      evil hamster 22 February 2013 14: 10 New
                      0
                      Let’s see, it’s thought they will not change now, but when they choose 20 in full. picking
                    2. avt
                      avt 22 February 2013 16: 16 New
                      0
                      Quote: SSI
                      This is not the eleventh, but the first to replace. All 10 will be changed ...

                      Then the Ministry of Food and Trade slipped by or how it laughing Cобрался конкурс устроить на ,,начинку " супджета . Может прокомментируете ? hi
          2. VAF
            VAF 22 February 2013 16: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: evil hamster
            but the only program that can really increase the production of civilian airliners in Russia in the next 2-3 years is Surzh.


            Surzh ..that I understand ..Super-Superfood?

            Понятно. что вы его.."хвалите"( причина может быть любая), но надо смотреть правде а глаза......самолёт не отвечает не ТТЗ, ни ТУ......."навялен" перевозчикам только "силой"-..."а если не будут брать...отключим газ" -фильм помните? wassat So this is about him.

            А в угоду Супер-Пупера: организовали ОАК, "убили" все КБ и вот итог.......

            Quote: evil hamster
            This is selawy


            Так что никакой...."селявы"......Колыма плачет и ждёт давным давно...но..низя...."мы сделали в цифре" wassat . did that ....... G..NO ??
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 22 February 2013 18: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: vaf
              Понятно. что вы его.."хвалите"( причина может быть любая)

              I do not praise, I try to be objective, and yes, I think this project is the right way out of this situation.
              Quote: vaf
              but you have to look the truth and eyes ...... the plane does not respond not to TTZ,
              Superjet is a commercial initiative of the GSS and for the first time I hear about any TTZ on it
              Quote: vaf
              "навялен" перевозчикам только "силой"-..."а если не будут брать...отключим газ" -фильм помните?
              I remember, it remains only to find out who and how turned off the gas to Interjet, Lao Central Airlines, Sky Aviation?
              Quote: vaf
              А в угоду Супер-Пупера: организовали ОАК, "убили" все КБ и вот итог.......
              Да не к 2006 году, когда ОАК организовали, "все КБ" благополучно померли своей смертью, и целью организации ОАК была попытка спасти то, что еще можно. К этому моменту первый Суржик уже делали в металле и нахрена ему понадобился ОАК решительно непонятно. Так же осмелюсь напомнить, что первым боссом ОАК был. гн. Федоров, который пропихнул на ВАСО производство прямого конкурента ССЖ - Ан 148, так что не надо грязи в отношениях.
              Quote: vaf
              Так что никакой...."селявы"......Колыма плачет и ждёт давным давно...
              Поддерживаю и первыми предлогаю господ ответственных за "Туполефф Плаза"
        2. Hort
          Hort 22 February 2013 13: 26 New
          +1
          this is not very critical. Boeings are also not purely American. Aircraft industry trend, her mother)
        3. VAF
          VAF 22 February 2013 16: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: nycsson
          Superjet 60% of imported parts!


          Take a little! wassat 80% of imports .... bully +! drinks
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 22 February 2013 21: 55 New
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            Quote: vaf
            Take a little! wassat 80% import ...

            Yeah! More than enough pride! hi drinks
  4. tomket
    tomket 22 February 2013 07: 34 New
    +2
    ARRIVED .......
  5. Horde
    Horde 22 February 2013 07: 52 New
    +3
    Ilyushin "will buy from the Canadian Bombardier 32 airliner CS300

    what for stupidity? And why doesn’t he want to do his own? And after all, there is money, what kind of money are IULUSHINS after that - just TRADERS.
  6. Boer
    Boer 22 February 2013 08: 10 New
    -1
    While we’ll make our own, a lot of time will come, but will we start to fly? We lagged behind very much, but we need to catch up urgently.
  7. Avenger711
    Avenger711 22 February 2013 08: 14 New
    +1
    Марка "Ил" мертва...
  8. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 22 February 2013 08: 44 New
    +3
    A civilian airliner, beautiful and reliable, they don’t understand, what’s the country's security here? And taking into account bribes and any markups, ours will be twice as expensive, and this is not in the interests of the air carrier. Yes, and if you recall the answer of Mr. Zheleznyak (State Duma deputy from EP) to the question about his daughters studying abroad, he said there is no need to engage in kvass patriotism, this is all for the good of the country, though he didn’t say which ......
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 22 February 2013 09: 22 New
      0
      Quote: NOBODY BUT US
      Yes, and if you recall the answer of Mr. Zheleznyak (deputy of the State Duma from EP) to the question about his daughters studying abroad, he said there is no need to engage in kvass patriotism, this is all for the good of the country, though I didn’t say which ......

      Zheleznyak is a real comprador, how many of these pieces of iron were created in the reign of the Elicinoids.
  9. JonnyT
    JonnyT 22 February 2013 08: 47 New
    +1
    Develop the industry !!!!! We got others to feed !!!!
  10. pinecone
    pinecone 22 February 2013 08: 51 New
    +3
    Позор. И название у этой шайки бырыг наглое и хамское-"Ильюшин финанц" . В СССР само слово Ильюшин означало разработку,производсто и эксплуатацию авиалайнеров мирового уровня, а не ОПГ воров и спекулянотов.
    1. queen
      queen 22 February 2013 10: 42 New
      0
      + .... Everything is calculated there ... retraining pilots, maintenance, procurement of spare parts ... These are long-term profits in a certain pocket.
  11. Apollo
    22 February 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    good morning everybody ! hi

    Infographics on the above topic.
  12. Vital 33
    Vital 33 22 February 2013 09: 03 New
    +3
    Апофеоз авиастроительной поддержки в России... а жаль. С таким названием, и за импортными самолётами...ЧТО ПРОИСХОДИТ? А ещё говорят отдайте нам "Антонова", что бы через пару лет "Антонов-финанс" летал за Эйрбасами...
  13. apro
    apro 22 February 2013 09: 32 New
    0
    Как сказал-бы ИВСталин "пускай им будет стыдно"
  14. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu 22 February 2013 09: 50 New
    0
    The fact that our civil aviation industry is almost dead is sad and it must, of course, be revived. But at today's pace, it will take years, if not decades, but new planes are needed now. Human life is more important than anything else. The more new modern airplanes, the better, even foreign ones, if ours are not or are not produced in the proper quantities.
  15. Akim
    Akim 22 February 2013 10: 22 New
    0
    Now is the time for business. Could save on the purchase of domestic equipment - would buy. And then in general Before the law was adopted, Donetsk pocket-dodgers bought Chinese Y-7s (a worsened copy of the An-24s).
  16. Midshipman
    Midshipman 22 February 2013 10: 23 New
    +1
    Sergei Vladimirovich Ilyushin probably turned over in his grave
  17. Lopatov
    Lopatov 22 February 2013 11: 22 New
    0
    Well, what to do. And Russia is by no means the USSR, and times have changed. Now no one produces everything at home, from matches starting and ending with launch vehicles

    This is a matter of strategy. We will not have enough money to support all directions in the same aircraft industry. We must choose our niches and work tightly in them. If technology fails, it is possible to buy technology, to steal, as the Chinese do, to select and train specialists for this area, to create the necessary production capacities.
  18. TSOOBER
    TSOOBER 22 February 2013 11: 37 New
    +1
    Как отрасль в которой работают высококластные специалисты довели до такого состояния -Государству ПОЗОР! Имея такую конструкторскую школу и все про....ть -слов нехватает, а спрос на самолеты какой? с ума сойти! За год купили больше сотни новых -хрень какаято а не рыночная экономика -спрос есть а предложения нет.уВАЖАЕМЫЕ милиардеры вам что деньги не нужны? Не хочет государство этим заниматся займитесь сами, привлеките лучших оставшихся специалистов (если остались таковые), поищите за рубежем, создайте КБ своего имени и в перед докажите что умеете не только прихватизировать а и чтото реально делать (новость была типа ничего не оставлю детям все в благотворительность, а слабо в очень нужное дело направить свои "честно заработаные ")!Вывод прост -качаем нефть газ и прочее, для защиты, чтоб не отобрали, содержим армию в все остальное побоку.
  19. Larus
    Larus 22 February 2013 12: 14 New
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    This is a complete pi ......... The company, which itself must produce the planes, will buy these same planes abroad. Yes, for such a thing in the same shabby countries the leadership would have been dismissed. This does not even smell, but it stinks of a real demolition of the country from the inside.
  20. evil hamster
    evil hamster 22 February 2013 12: 47 New
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    But what kind of attack of bathhert then gentlemen? Did you suddenly run into reality like a concrete wall? Bo Bo chtol? I understand that it’s hard to part with the pink dream that they say you just want to and AK will rush to buy their own planes. Okha, the airlines frankly put with the device on where the plane is made. There are two ways to a planned economy as in an alliance and a relatively free wound like this hour, it will not work out. Any economic activity, including aircraft manufacturing, should be based on the ACTING economic model, this simple truth first came to Sukhoi, and the second to Irkut, and they both try to make an airplane that will buy, there is simply no other criterion for the success of the project in the current economic model.

    In the line of aircraft manufactured in Russia there is no direct competitor to the CS300, and moreover, the MC21 - there will definitely not be less than 150 seats, and the SSJ 130 - if it does take place (of which there are big doubts) is also not a very direct analogue. And what do you think AK will sit on the pope and wait until a car of this class is born by itself, no, they will go and buy the same bomber only from the western lessor, and not from Ilyushchinfinans. So gentlemen, run through emotions, especially since such a situation in the civilian aircraft industry can be considered from the beginning of the 2000s. It is all the more ridiculous when people indignant over the purchase of Bombardier immediately try to ... Surge of schizophrenia is somehow.
  21. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 22 February 2013 13: 18 New
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    Boeing on the eve of the Moscow air show presented an updated forecast for the development of the global aviation market until the 2030 year. In it, the airlines of Russia and the CIS countries increased the demand for aircraft by 12%: according to the calculations of the American corporation, in the next two decades they will buy more than 1 thousand aircraft - almost as much as flying in these countries today. It will cost them $ 110 billion.



    Согласно новому прогнозу корпорации Boeing, авиакомпании России и стран СНГ закупят до 2030 года 1080 новых самолетов общей стоимостью $110 млрд. Об этом 15 августа в Москве рассказал вице-президент "Боинг - гражданские самолеты" Рэнди Тинсэт.



    According to company estimates, mainly regional airlines will need narrow-body aircraft such as the Boeing 737 and Airbus A320: it is expected that companies will buy 680 aircraft of these types. Demand for long-haul wide-body aircraft is estimated at 200 units. About 15% of the total volume of new aircraft will fall on regional jet aircraft (160 units), 4% - on large, including two-deck, aircraft (40 units). According to Randy Tinsat, about 75% of orders in the region will be provided by Russian airlines.
  22. Octavian avgust
    Octavian avgust 22 February 2013 14: 39 New
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    Ilyushin simply stunned. After all, it was created to buy domestic aircraft, and buys Canadian ones. What else does the state help! Shame and shame! Ilyushin rolled over in his grave! negative
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 22 February 2013 19: 45 New
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      Airplanes are needed now, but they are not. Let the design bureau develop something new, the production workers will arrange the production of these aircraft, then IFC will buy the ro.planets.
      Although, in fact, there is nothing here apart from overt collapse. All these 20 years it was necessary to engage in civil aircraft manufacturing, then such paradoxical situations would not have arisen.
  23. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 22 February 2013 14: 58 New
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    In Kazakhstan, Russian civilian and transport aircraft are viewed as the Russian auto industry - uneconomical, uncomfortable, unsafe, noisy. Not a single Kazakh airline buys Russian airplanes, preferring to purchase exclusively Western aircraft. First bought used, now new. Those who fly planes regularly can compare them as a passenger, and those who like technical details can safely compare their performance characteristics.
    The Ministry of Defense of the KZ also abandoned Russian transport aircraft, opting for Western aircraft manufacturers. Old transporters are gradually decommissioned (in case there is no point in upgrading them).
    Modernization of Soviet aircraft is carried out in Russia and Ukraine. However, after the recent crash of the newly modernized in Ukraine aircraft carrier belonging to the Border Guard of Kazakhstan, they began to look at such aircraft with apprehension. The plane crashed after the failure of some of the most important on-board systems.
    I don’t even want to remember about the tragedy with the Superjet (((
    In a word, before accusing the civilian airlines of Russia of unpatriotism, the manufacturers of airplanes should at least have something normal to offer them. Then it would never have been necessary to force them - in turn, everyone would have stood behind the Russian aircraft, as with Russian weapons.
    1. Horde
      Horde 22 February 2013 17: 15 New
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      Quote: Marek Rozny
      However, after the recent crash of the newly modernized in Ukraine aircraft carrier belonging to the Border Guard of Kazakhstan, they began to look at such aircraft with apprehension. The plane crashed after the failure of some of the most important on-board systems.

      why did you collapse in America in more detail please?
      1. avt
        avt 22 February 2013 17: 58 New
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        Quote: Horde
        why did you collapse in America in more detail please?

        Ну это я без него могу сказать . Там в ,,чебурашку "село все или большая часть руководства погранслужбы и на посадке - катастрофа . Вообще то в таких случаях к аэроплану самые последние претензии первоочередные другие рассматривают ,но тут походу решили шум не поднимать и списать на аэроплан украми отремонтированный .
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 22 February 2013 18: 32 New
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          1) The plane was not overloaded if you hinted at it.
          2) The data of the black box has been decrypted already.
          3) Украинская сторона признала свой "косяк".
          1. avt
            avt 22 February 2013 19: 12 New
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            Quote: Marek Rozny
            1) The plane was not overloaded if you hinted at it.

            Most of the manual is not about weight. So for general development - ALL management in one vehicle is not going to. The safety basics obtained by blood. The rest is long and reluctant to tell. And by the way there was another disaster with an imported aircraft, a business version.
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 22 February 2013 19: 41 New
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              There was not TOTAL leadership. There was an acting Heads of the Border Service, several officers of the central apparatus and the leadership of one of the border districts. Most of the PS leadership, essno, was not on the plane. The head of the border service held regional meetings.

              Касательно крушения гражданского самолета - то там вины производителей самолета нет, причина крушения - погодные условия и соответственно "человеческий фактор".
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 22 February 2013 18: 30 New
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        I am in Kazakhstan and I am writing about Kazakhstan.
        А то что флажочек американский - это косяк сайта или провайдера ("Билайн"). То казахский флаг ставит, то американский. Тут у многих такая фигня.
  24. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 22 February 2013 17: 48 New
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    Во-первых, неизвестно, чем эти самолёты могут "напичкать" (например, как напичкали в своё время аппаратуру управления газопроводом), во-вторых, свои КБ, заводы развалили, а остатки сидят без заказов. Зато странам вовсе недружественным России, помогают "бороться" с безработицей...
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 22 February 2013 19: 04 New
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      1) Aircraft purchased by the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, of Spanish production. Is Spain in conflict with Russia? Spain can not be called a full-fledged NATO state.
      2) Какие авиа-КБ и авиа-заводы в Казахстане развалили??? У Вас Россия в этом плане смешалась с Казахстаном? В советское время у нас отродясь не было никакой авиапромышленности. Оборонная промышленность существует и работает с прибылью, предприятия оборонки объединены в госхолдинг "Казакстан инжиниринг", производят и военную продукцию, и гражданскую.
      Кроме того, Казахстан не только НЕ "развалил авиа-промышленность", которой не было, а наоборот сделал первые шаги по ее созданию - появились два небольших завода по производству малых самолетов для сельхозников и бизнесменов, появилось вертолетное производственное СП с немцами "Еврокоптер инжиниринг", а в этом году намечено создание производства малых самолетов с американской компанией "Сессна". Так что говорить "КБ, заводы развалили" здесь вообще не в тему.
      3) Do you think that it is better to buy Russian obsolete air junk - is it beneficial for Kazakhstan? Is Kazakhstan to blame for the fact that Russia over the past decades has destroyed the civilian aircraft industry? Yes, and military aviation is barely developing. Kazakhstan has an interest in the Mig-35, but so far even in Russia they are not yet in the army.
      Let Russia be able to offer something competitive. In the meantime, Russia has nothing to offer us in this regard.
      4) For some products, Russia is corny cannot even satisfy Kazakhstan demand. This is especially noticeable in the provision of services for the modernization of the military air fleet. For example, in Kazakhstan there are more than 20 Mi-26 transport helicopters that need to be repaired and modernized. Russia is capable of repairing only one (!) Kazakhstan board per year. That is, it will take 26 years to repair all Mi-20 helicopters! At the same time, Russia does not cooperate on the creation of a joint venture in this area, and also refuses to create repair enterprises in the KZ. And what can we do? After 20 years, when the last Mi-26 will be repaired, it will be necessary to repair those that were previously repaired. As a result, they spat on everything and began to cooperate with the Germans regarding Eurocopters, who willingly agreed to create a plant in Astana on two models. Yes, Eurocopter is not such a unique machine as the Mi-26, but it does exist and flies, and most of the Mi-26s are waiting for their turn to repair in the Russian Federation.
      Абсолютно такая же история и в других сферах оборонной промышленности. Россия наотрез отказывается от создания СП (только арзамасцы пошли на встречу со своими "Тиграми" и создали предприятие в Алматинской области, т.к. в РФ в то время поставил было крест на этой машине, решив закупать итальянские бронемашины). Лишь в прошлом году россияне очнулись и начали сами предлагать сотрудничество в плане оборонной промышленности (модернизация танков), когда после десятилетия бесплодных просьб Казахстана, у нас приняли решение самостоятельно заниматься этим вопросом с турками, итальянцами, украинцами и израильтянами.
      Кто виноват в ситуации, что Казахстан все больше и больше сотрудничает с другими странами в оборонке? Турки, французы, украинцы охотно создают заводы в Казахстане, а Россия не хочет этим заниматься. Тут еще прошла инфа, что Россия стала поставлять "Панцирь" арабам, хотя мы вроде первыми стояли на очереди. Но арабы видимо предложили бОльшую цену, а казахи бы купили по ОДКБ-шным ценам. Это, конечно, право России, но зачем тогда обвинять казахов в том, что они торгуют с теми, с кем хотят? Не понял Вашу логику.