China creates its own SU-34

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The 8 February forum portal club.mil.news.sina.com.cn posted a review of an article published in the recent American military magazine Defense Review, which says that China is working to create its own version of the Russian Su-34 front-line bomber.

China already has experience of successful development of the J-11B and J-16 fighters based on the Russian Su-27 and Su-30. It is reported that the stage of purging the model J-17 (Su-34) in a wind tunnel has been completed. Next come the assumptions that the Chinese version of the Su-34 should come to replace the H-6 bombers (Tu-16). Satellite photographs show that the number of bombers of this type has been significantly reduced, and its modernization reserves are "limited". On the other hand, the creation of a new heavy strategic bomber is “a very difficult task” because of the lack of powerful turbojet engines of its own design and such an aircraft cannot be created “in a short period”. China is also working to create a "heavy version" of the J-19 fighter-bomber based on the J-11B.

The development of the J-17 has been going on since 1998, when a video of a model very reminiscent of the Russian Su-34 was shown at the Zhuhai exhibition. The Chinese version can carry a combat load of 8 tons, which is almost as good as the H-6 (9 tons) payload, and can be adapted for the use of long-range cruise missiles.

The article says that the Chinese version of the Su-34 can dramatically increase the strike potential of the PLA air force and withdraw the military Aviation countries to the "leading world level".
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  1. fern
    +14
    21 February 2013 11: 12
    Ctrl + c - Ctrl + v. The Chinese are the only way. And no other way
    1. Sleptsoff
      -22
      21 February 2013 11: 25
      Yes, we ourselves copied the form from the amers, and then it is crooked.
      1. fern
        +2
        21 February 2013 11: 29
        Do not deny. But the drying is not copied from the Americans
        1. +1
          21 February 2013 11: 40
          laughing Rasps and files are sharpened at the wrong angle
          1. 0
            21 February 2013 16: 57
            Come on, let them suffer, try, the engines will still be purchased from us, have not grown yet.
        2. Sleptsoff
          -1
          21 February 2013 13: 17
          Because at the time of its creation, our engineers were able to think with their own brains.
      2. 11Goor11
        0
        21 February 2013 13: 15
        Sleptsoff
        Yes, we ourselves copied the form from the amers, and then it is crooked.

        Are you talking about the shape of your skull? If not, please specify what exactly was copied and what American was the prototype of the "crooked copy".
        1. Sleptsoff
          -2
          21 February 2013 13: 40
          It's about the military uniform and the fact that it was copied from the American one is no secret, but why read crookedly read, for example, from the news on the site.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +4
            21 February 2013 14: 12
            Quote from Sleptsoff
            It's about military uniforms and the fact that it was copied from the American one is no secret


            so share with the people what is no secret to anyone?

            That’s for me personally ... a secret wassat And judging by your "manner" of presenting aviation topics ... you understand this, like a horse in ballet. sorry for the harshness! hi
            1. Sleptsoff
              +1
              21 February 2013 14: 18
              Do you want me to retell what is already written on this site, too lazy to read the latest news? And what does aviation have to do with it? The fact is that if we, a country that positions itself as one of the leaders in the production of weapons, can copy something, why this cannot be done by the Chinese.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                0
                21 February 2013 15: 09
                Quote from Sleptsoff
                And what does aviation have to do with it?


                in general, the news about the copying of our Su-34 is being discussed here, and he ... as far as I am aware ... "has a little relation" to .. aviation wassat

                Quote from Sleptsoff
                Do you want me to retell what is already written on this site, too lazy to read the latest news?


                I just wanted to hear from you an explanation or ... want to ... clarification ... about our copying something that our engineers could not think of ...

                Quote from Sleptsoff
                then why this cannot be done by the Chinese.


                And hto said .. what .. "down"?
                1. Sleptsoff
                  -2
                  21 February 2013 15: 27
                  So that’s the message that everyone copies from each other, but for some reason, when they copy from us, we begin to resent.
          2. Sergh
            +1
            21 February 2013 14: 16
            Quote from Sleptsoff
            It's about military uniforms and the fact that it was copied from the American

            And cowards the whole world wears the same, so is it also the Americans that made us all happy?
            I understand that you can boast of an engineering thought, well, like, "Bulava" is licked off the American "N", but at least I would say about the Tu-4, which was licked from the B-29, well, back and forth (although it was in a difficult time), but to brag about rags is funny or childish, more in a woman's way.
            1. Sleptsoff
              0
              21 February 2013 15: 52
              Well, amers have always been trendsetters in aviation, so we still lick them. The question is not what we copy, but how mindlessly we do it http://izvestia.ru/news/540718
              1. fern
                0
                21 February 2013 20: 27
                Copy everything. Yes . little by little but all. BUT precisely the Chinese of their developments have two and a half.
      3. Bashkaus
        0
        21 February 2013 17: 12
        NOT men, but what, isn't Sleptsoff right? right - vulgarly copied the form under NATO’s manners, and this pagon is moronic, just not on the railway. So in vain you attacked him like that.
        Sleptsoff is my plus to you)))
  2. +3
    21 February 2013 11: 13
    From these are the Chinese, and they will make such nonsense.
    1. Guun
      +1
      21 February 2013 11: 19
      As soon as possible, add.
      1. 0
        21 February 2013 13: 10
        Quote: Guun

        As soon as possible, add.

        Even the shortest. Catching up and copying is certainly easier, but only he will not become a leader. To become a leader, you need to create new things, and the Chinese, with their Confucianism, are, in my opinion, a little castrated in terms of creating something advanced, the mentality of the nation (in the Chinese sense) is different. But of course you need to protect your secrets and it is very important ..
    2. VAF
      VAF
      0
      21 February 2013 14: 18
      Quote: klimpopov
      these are they and after all they will make pogans.


      Hi Klim, they’ll do it very quickly! laughing

      But this .. fuck with him, and here's the news ..... the first two Bombardier CS-300s from 32 acquired by Ilyushin Finance have just arrived belay

      Oh how ... but where is Super-Duper .... well, ka .. "fans" and "admirers" ..... with a solid portfolio of orders, money from which 85% will go over the hill wassat

      And the CS-300 is really ... an airplane, a little Dreamliner! good

      1. +1
        21 February 2013 14: 42
        Hello, Sergey! Well, tell me how close the Chinese are and are ready to copy the SU - 34?
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +2
          21 February 2013 15: 11
          Quote: klimpopov
          Well, tell me how close the Chinese are and are ready to copy the SU - 34?


          It is better to go right away and ... to "surrender" ... to the "tallest" building in the city bully
          I'm better ... here ... "I'll wait and ... listen. What the people say wink
          1. 0
            22 February 2013 00: 27
            I understand you, apparently very close to this.
    3. opkozak
      +3
      21 February 2013 14: 53
      The yellow race is the race of masters.
      We’ll waste white and black,
      Let's make a reed bomb
      and destroy all for sure ...
      Tink, Tink, Liao, Biao, Tink ...
      Imagine what a stunt Chinese aircraft to fly on a plane with a national engine resource of 50 hours. Well it needs a license for diapers ...
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        21 February 2013 15: 47
        Quote: opkozak
        Imagine what a stunt Chinese aircraft to fly on a plane with a national engine resource of 50 hours.


        Well, that was a long time ago ... now it’s already before 300 o’clock .. done ..... we. By the way. same with this .. started (this is if you ..not in the know) wink

        And so ... we (RF) .. "mega-contracts" for the supply of our engines by the Chinese. wassat
        1. 0
          22 February 2013 00: 30
          Yes, Sergey did start from 300 hours, and most importantly they are restless and how many pilots will be required for testing so much will be. And you don’t just have to blame Russia, the states, and the whole world has poured a lot there (it’s Sergey’s rhetoric already) ...
    4. +1
      21 February 2013 15: 19
      Even if the Chinese do not copy it, it’s not a fact that their plane will fly. Yes, and why sell such technologies to China? We know that they will get along anyway.
  3. +4
    21 February 2013 11: 13
    Well, as always, new planes by old methods.
  4. 0
    21 February 2013 11: 15
    "issue of the American military magazine Defense Review an article stating that China is working to create its own version of the Russian front-line bomber Su-34. " laughing WHAT FOR Nonsense ??? let them try to create, they don’t have an airplane, they don’t have technical documentation ...
    1. +12
      21 February 2013 11: 21
      I will not be surprised if the news comes up soon: "China wants to buy from Russia AZH 2 Su-34 to REarm its Air Force." angry
      1. +2
        21 February 2013 11: 24
        Yeah, at the same time the Japanese had a copy machine and the conveyor went.
    2. Guun
      +4
      21 February 2013 11: 23
      In general, a lot of documents came to the Chinese during the confusion in the 9X-yy. Dongfen almost completely taken from Topol, a lot of documentation from China and they make weapons with a focus on quality in the image and likeness of the Russian Armed Forces. Yes, and they have a lot of specialists whom China lured to themselves otherwise their success in GDP is simply unexplained, well, even submachines like the Russian Navy, but they have the first pancake, and now they make pancakes better than the first.
    3. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      21 February 2013 13: 13
      Quote: evgenii67
      WHAT FOR Nonsense ???


      No nonsense .... read. if you don’t know. Now everyone writes openly, how the Su-32FN was created and everything will become clear and understandable! wink

      A classic two-seater cockpit is "docked" to the MCC or its J-11 (J-16), instead of the tandem and all business wassat

      Quote: evgenii67
      let them try to create, they don’t have an airplane, they don’t have technical documentation ...


      And "hto" told you that ?????? belay
    4. +3
      21 February 2013 16: 10
      Quote: evgenii67
      let them try to create, they don’t have an airplane, they don’t have technical documentation ...

      Copy ....
  5. +2
    21 February 2013 11: 19
    YES FIG, they will do it, if ours did not sell it to them. They may try to copy from the pictures, but they will not be able to copy the electronics and layout. I ask for expert opinion in this area. I propose to turn the vector of military cooperation to the Republic of Vietnam!
    Vietnam has a long-standing grudge against China, so it’s beneficial for us to arm Vietnam.
    1. +2
      21 February 2013 12: 19
      Better India.
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      21 February 2013 13: 14
      Quote: PROXOR
      Yeah figs they will do it


      I can’t say that it’s easy and easy .. but ... they will do it very soon! soldier
  6. +1
    21 February 2013 11: 21
    The PRC has rightfully established itself as the main copyist (of everything that can be copied) of the planet. The special services of this country hunt in my opinion around the world in search of fishing for all the secrets, it does not matter whether it concerns civilian or military products. You can copy anything and how they don’t have any succession (school) in science and apparently they decided outsmart timeIt doesn’t happen in life. So the so-called 34 SU they create will still be flawed and punctured. laughing
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +3
      21 February 2013 13: 23
      Quote: Apollon
      This does not happen in life. So the so-called SU 34 they create will still be flawed and punctured.


      Dear Apollo .... unfortunately ... it happens. and where .. "it is not enough .. to count and blow", then the method ... "scientific poke" has not yet been canceled!

      Look, what a handsome man they made from the Tu-16th ...... song!



      Photo of the Chinese long-range strategic bomber H-6K.

      Brief information: aircraft of this modification (first flight in 2007) are equipped with more powerful and economical Russian-made D-30KP-2 turbojet engines with a thrust of 12500 kg (instead of the obsolete Soviet-made AM-3 turbojet engines, the Chinese designation is WP8, thrust is 9500 kg).

      The bombing compartment of the aircraft was converted into a fuel tank, which allowed to significantly increase the flight range compared to the base model.
      the tactical range of the N-6K aircraft is 3500 km (2200 miles), the flight range of the Kyrgyz Republic is YingJi-63 (YJ-63, KD-63) with a conventional warhead of 200 km (four missiles of this type are suspended in the photo).

      China is already fully equipping its long-range nuclear bombers HN-3, created on the basis of an export version of the Russian Kh-55SE missile (western designation AS-15 Kent) with a firing range of 2500 km laughing



      And you say they won’t be able to ... flaws and punctures wink
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +1
        21 February 2013 13: 29
        Quote: vaf
        Look, what a handsome man they made from the Tu-16th ...... song!


        I apologize ... photo of the plane .. forgot hi FIX! drinks
  7. 0
    21 February 2013 11: 21
    Yes, stolen for many years to come
  8. Larus
    +1
    21 February 2013 11: 26
    Phrase
    China already has experience in the successful development of J-11B and J-16 fighters based on the Russian Su-27 and Su-30.
    made me smile, because we all know that copying and development are two very different words
  9. +3
    21 February 2013 11: 27
    For the information of the authors of the article: the words "China" and "Own" are not used side by side in one sentence.
  10. +1
    21 February 2013 11: 28
    based on the SU-30 and SU-33. They will shovel the cockpit with a duck. They will reinforce the chassis. The fuselage will be made of plywood, as well as armaments. They will show the whole world muddy pictures. But later they will bring it.
  11. zen1963
    -3
    21 February 2013 11: 30
    Maybe Putin will finally stop selling our military equipment to the Chinese and give the islands back for that?
    1. Sergh
      +1
      21 February 2013 14: 28
      Quote: zen1963
      and so give the islands?

      Stop-stop, are you talking about some such islands, my friend?
      1. +1
        21 February 2013 16: 13
        Quote: Sergh
        Stop-stop, are you talking about some such islands, my friend?

        Sergey, hi ! Hawaiian and Bali .... Yes
  12. +1
    21 February 2013 11: 31
    No matter what they do and copy ... they don’t have engines, the most important and difficult thing to copy in an airplane is that they don’t work normally ....
    1. 0
      21 February 2013 11: 39
      They will do it. Question of time ((((
  13. +2
    21 February 2013 11: 39
    engines will be sold to them, not a problem, - and then they cry that the Chinese are competitors in the arms markets, they sell cheap Kalash, RPGs and more - but cheaper ..... they also have the Su-35 - they copy the controlled thrust vector, and it rushes to the market on sale ..... idiocy
  14. +1
    21 February 2013 11: 40
    “Further, there are suggestions that the Chinese version of the Su-34 should come to replace the H-6 (Tu-16) bombers. Satellite photographs show that the number of bombers of this type has been significantly reduced, and the reserves for its modernization are“ limited. ”On the other hand, the creation the new heavy strategic bomber is "a very difficult task" due to the lack of powerful turbojet engines of its own design "

    Yeah, it’s a difficult task due to the lack of a new heavy bomber in Russia, there’s nothing to tear off.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      21 February 2013 14: 22
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Satellite photos show that the number of bombers of this type has been significantly reduced.


      This would indicate only on the territory of the Russian Federation, but the Chinese have 75% of their aviation "stored" in reinforced concrete structures and mountain airfields!

      Quote: Vladimirets
      and the reserves of its modernization are "limited."


      Who said that? belay We give them the D-30KP2 engines, their equipment and armament, the glider has been making a new one since 2007, N-6K ... what .. are limited?
      1. 11Goor11
        +1
        21 February 2013 15: 49
        Sergey, welcome!
        Is it really "so good" that you have to learn Chinese?
        It turns out they have a lag only in the resource of engines, and so the number of workable equipment is growing and growing.
        Something I do not care.
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +1
          21 February 2013 16: 27
          Quote: 11Goor11
          Something I do not care.


          Hi Andrew drinks

          I ..not even since the time of Daman ... soldier But OURS say ... "friendship with the Chinese ... forever" wassat
          Therefore ... all the best .. for them belay
          1. 11Goor11
            0
            21 February 2013 17: 19
            It remains to be hoped that some special "Kuz'kina's mother" is in store, as in Damansky.
          2. 0
            21 February 2013 19: 16
            friendship with the Chinese ... forever

            And is it that the century ended 13 years ago?
        2. +1
          21 February 2013 17: 41
          Quote: 11Goor11
          is it really "so good" that you have to learn Chinese?

          Not so bad. Of course, the PRC has a huge superiority in the non-nuclear military component (primarily in the ground forces). But China is very vulnerable to the action of weapons of mass destruction, and the missile defense system is still virtually absent there.
          So, we can respond to the invasion by the PRC with a massive strike of nuclear weapons, which in principle makes no sense that China will seize part / all of the Russian Federation.
          Another thing is that it is not very humane and difficult to decide.
          But we have no other arguments against China.
  15. Larus
    +2
    21 February 2013 11: 48
    We must generally stop selling any weapons to the Chinese, because. it goes to us sideways.
    1. +3
      21 February 2013 11: 52
      We don’t. And who, after washing off over the hill, no
  16. Algor73
    +2
    21 February 2013 12: 09
    The Chinese are slowly moving from quantity to quality. All countries (well, most) are engaged in industrial espionage, incl. and Russia (once the USSR), and the United States. And China goes its own way - stupid copying. It’s easier, cheaper and faster. And who can forbid him? Who can influence? Would Russia win at least one thing about protecting intellectual property rights? Or at least filed such claims? So it’s not so simple. There is only one way out - not to sell them modern equipment. And if you sell, then you need to come to terms with this. China is not the first year to copy and not the first model of technology. All of China is a solid copy of someone and something.
  17. +1
    21 February 2013 12: 26
    Goats are smelly! Fucking plagiarists!
    They are not able to do anything themselves.
    With them it is necessary to deduct% -ty for the use of other people's technologies.
  18. exo
    0
    21 February 2013 13: 09
    There are many Pontos. And in life: thieves are thieves. Apparently, there are problems with their brains.
  19. +2
    21 February 2013 13: 37
    Well, actually, the Chinese were repeatedly offered the Su-34, and they did not show much interest in it.
    Of course, they can make it, it’s just not clear, but why do they need it?
    Well, if only as a carrier of nuclear weapons. And as for the H-6, it's not true that they just recently muddied a new modernization.
    China is now focusing on the J-11B, J-10B, J-16 multi-role fighter programs and on bringing its own engines for them.
    As for our aircraft, only the Su-35 is relevant here.
    The aircraft themselves are unnecessary, but they really need an engine. Therefore, they want to take a small batch and cheaply. And ours want to sell at least 60 aircraft.
    For 5 years now, a tug of war has been going on.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +3
      21 February 2013 14: 27
      Quote: Odyssey
      Well, actually, the Chinese were repeatedly offered the Su-34, and they did not show much interest in it.


      Hello Odysseus! In everything, the Chinese .. "wisdom and cunning" ... why toss into something that they themselves can "copy" ... that's why it seems like they didn't .. "showed".

      They will finalize the glider, put additional tanks, hang RCC (4-6) pieces, and here's a marine option for you, far and ..modern!

      And the N-6K will go to the strategist section .. the range allows in the new version, plus refueling wink
      1. +1
        21 February 2013 15: 13
        We sell up to the heap and Su-35 ... So to speak, comprehensive customer service ... belay
        1. +2
          21 February 2013 15: 35
          Quote: Botanologist

          We sell up to the heap and Su-35 ... So to speak, comprehensive customer service ...

          Moreover, they still do not take laughing They have to be broken.
          Many out of habit greatly underestimate the Chinese, and they now have only one significant problem, the engines.
          Therefore, they agree to buy only a small batch of Su-35 to copy engines.
        2. VAF
          VAF
          +1
          21 February 2013 15: 50
          Quote: Botanologist
          Integrated customer service, so to speak.


          Hello dear drinks Serious truth ... speak ... and then we are surprised. that the Chinese are flooding the markets with our "clones", that's just many orders of magnitude cheaper! wassat
          1. 0
            21 February 2013 19: 19
            vaf, welcome drinks

            But you were "heard" - they are leaving the mega-bases, there are 40 aircraft in Baltimore and that's it. And what will be there besides the Su-34? After all, there are only 24 of them.
      2. +1
        21 February 2013 15: 26
        Quote: vaf
        Hello Odysseus! In everything, the Chinese .. "wisdom and cunning" ... why toss into something that they themselves can "copy" ... that's why it seems like they didn't .. "showed".

        They will finalize the glider, put additional tanks, hang RCC (4-6) pieces, and here’s a marine option for you and far and ..modern

        Hello, hello smile
        So they just deliver the J-16 to the Navy. They take the Su-30MK2 to change our curved locator, but the engines put their curves forward smile
        Frankly, apart from range, I don’t see any advantages with the Su-34, but I see a drawback. Think about which EPR the 34th will have with additional tanks and a full body kit? The Chinese are tormented they don’t know how to reduce the EPR of the 27s and 30s, and here you slip such a pepelats to them)) In my opinion, they won’t bother with this. They are now thinking more about decks in naval aviation. J-15 finish, and then J-31.
        Quote: vaf
        And the N-6K will go to the strategist section .. the range allows in the new version, plus refueling

        Stopudovo, it’s only interesting how they will actually change it. Some variation on the B-2 theme or something else?
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +1
          21 February 2013 15: 59
          Quote: Odyssey
          So they just deliver the J-16 to the Navy


          Yes (I wrote about this above) but this is a deck boat ... and they need it for the sea, plus a low-altitude and maneuverable one, and on the N-6K on a PMV ... you will not roam, plus maneuverability. and EPR ... well, EPR, at sea, against a meter range radar .. all this is "stealth" .. complete nonsense!

          Plus do not forget, 34 and takes more and flies .. more wink

          Quote: Odyssey
          it’s just interesting how in reality they will change it.


          But look ... they will "mold" and from 34 ... "strategist" bullyI can argue wink
          1. 0
            21 February 2013 18: 37
            Quote: vaf
            yes (I wrote about this above), but it’s a deck ... and they .. for the sea they need, plus low-altitude and maneuverable,

            She ... this is the J-15 deck (clone of the Su-33), and the J-16 (clone of the Su-30MK2) is ground. The range of the Su-34, of course, is serious, I don’t know, they can and will make a naval option. So to say on the test))). Although they have in addition to the J-16 and JH-7A and our Su-30MK2 in naval aviation. Kudyzh them so much)))
            Quote: vaf
            But you look .. they will "mold" and from 34 ... "strategist" I can .. argue

            I will not even argue. If they, in general, will copy the Su-34, then not as a front-line bomber, but under the carriers of the CD (including with a nuclear warhead). Only not as a replacement for the H-6, but as an addition . Such a "mini-strategist" will turn out))
            And ours would not hurt to think in this direction .....
  20. 0
    21 February 2013 14: 32
    Let the guys work. Until they complete the entire evolutionary stage of the engineering school they will fly on our outdated engines :) ... and they will never have the stage :)
  21. +1
    21 February 2013 17: 52
    engines sooner or later learn to do so you will see

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