Unborn domestic “saw”

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Unborn domestic “saw”
Soldiers of the Special Operations Forces of the Russian Federation “in Saratov.” In the foreground is an RPK-74M. Nowadays there are many publications on the topic “RPK is not a machine gun,” but, apparently, MTR fighters found a use for it.


In 1972, it was decided for the US Army to create a new weapon system, and accordingly a specification was issued for new requirements for the SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon). weapon The Americans, having analyzed their experience of participating in the conflict in Southeast Asia, came to the conclusion that the squad needed a machine gun for a low-impulse cartridge with all the features of a single one - belt feed, replaceable barrel, but in addition to this also with the ability to feed ammunition from standard box magazines for a standard combat rifle.



When the Americans found themselves in Vietnam, the squad's standard weapon system consisted of an automatic rifle and a variant with a heavier barrel, which was supposed to fire a little more and longer than the "machine gun" of a regular infantryman. Well, that is, essentially a pair of M1 Garand and M1918A2 BAR in a new way. And it was precisely in the jungles of Vietnam that this system did not work, literally at all.

Where it often came down to sporadic, short-lived firefights, the box magazine and lack of a replaceable barrel became a problem. What the infantrymen themselves called the “seven-minute war” required the ability to “land” as much as possible on the enemy in as little time as possible. Waiting for the barrel to cool down or endlessly changing magazines was an unaffordable luxury.

The problem was partly solved by “releasing” standard reinforcement equipment from the platoon, M60 machine guns, to the squads on a permanent basis. But all was well while the soldiers were still armed with M14 rifles, which used the same 7.62 NATO ammunition as the machine gun. But now the system chambered for 5.56 cartridge has been introduced en masse to the troops, and it turns out that the squad already has 2 rounds of ammunition, and the entire squad, in addition to its own ammunition, also carries ammunition for the machine gun. And the power, range, and most importantly the heaviness of the M60 was not needed in the jungle... But belt power was needed.


PU-1 machine gun. You can clearly see the side location of the tape receiver and the internal structure, which differs little from a conventional RPK. In the top photo, another result of the Poplin R&D work is installed on the machine gun - a drum-type magazine designed by Yuri Alekseevich Shirobokov.

In addition, opponents of the Americans massively used a light machine gun of the Degtyarev system. There is one ammunition with AK and SKS, and belt feeding, and light weight. It is not surprising that captured RPDs were used by American special forces, in particular MACV-SOG fighters. Moreover, the special forces, realizing what kind of fire battle they would most likely have to conduct, sometimes shortened the barrels of their RPDs. The barrage of fire is the same, but there is even more roar and sparks; it is simply ideal for suppressing fire.

Plus, special forces from another department were running nearby - the US Navy, which had just that, namely the Eugene Stoner system chambered for 5.56 - Stoner 63.

By the way, the army tested the Stoner machine gun (or rather, it was a whole modular system according to the author’s idea), but never adopted it. The only real user in the US armed forces remained the naval special forces – the United States Navy SEAL.

Stoner, however, was not a pioneer here, much earlier there was Holek’s creation, which was also chambered for an intermediate cartridge, was friendly with both belts and magazines, and perfectly changed the barrel, and very quickly, but the Czechoslovak original school of weapons is worthy of a separate publication, and not alone.


Machine gun PU-2. Here they no longer relied on the design of the PKK.

In the USSR, naturally, they were aware of what was happening in the USA. In the early 1970s, the Poplin research and development work and the research work “Increasing the firing efficiency of 5,45 mm light machine guns” started. As the name of the research project suggests, the main goal was to increase the efficiency of shooting, which meant reducing the time between weapon reloads. It was decided to go two ways:

1. Create high-capacity magazines for the 5.45 caliber RPK being developed.

2. Design a belt-fed machine gun for the specified caliber.


PU-21 machine gun. A full-fledged machine gun with combined power supply and the “pinnacle” of the evolution of 5,45 caliber systems within the framework of the Poplin R&D project. A frame with an open receiver from a video with the Most Holy Popenker.

Taking the first path, the designers developed two samples of drum-type stores. At the very beginning of the 1980s, the GRAU wanted to put them into production, and then begin delivering them to the troops. The debugging of production was first supposed to be completed in the spring of 1984, then the deadlines floated... Then the USSR itself floated, and the standard “tambourine” on the RPK-74 was never born.

Work in the second direction in Izhevsk also continued throughout the 1970s. At first, even before the official adoption of the RPK-74, a PU machine gun appeared. It looked like some kind of compromise. A tape receiver was literally attached to the side of a conventional RPK, with minimal changes. Tape feeding acted as an alternative and additional one; it was mainly supposed to use standard magazines or “tambourines” developed in parallel; this, in fact, determined the lateral location of the tape receiver.


A still from a report filmed in 2013 in Kovrov. One of the few public appearances of a machine gun created as part of the Tokar R&D project.

It is clear that such a generally simple and cheap solution at first glance did not satisfy anyone. The next sample was designed virtually from scratch. It was decided to make belt feeding the main one. This branch of development led in 1978 to the appearance of the PU-21 machine gun. It was already a full-fledged machine gun, with the possibility of combined feeding, but where belt feeding was the main one, and most importantly, the fire was fired like a machine gun - from the rear sear.

And nothing.

In 1974, the RPK-74 was adopted and, in general, decided not to change anything. Probably, the reasons were purely economic; perhaps the fact is that the PU-21 still did not have some of the characteristics of the same SAW, for example, the ability to quickly change barrels. Somewhere there is information that they could not make a Rakov machine for the new belt and 5,45 cartridges, but this is more like a story.


Footage of the demonstration of the latest weapons at a meeting dedicated to the results of the operational activities of the internal affairs bodies for 2017, February 2018. Here the newest Kord-545 was demonstrated even to Vladimir Vladimirovich. However, this did not have a positive effect on the fate of the weapon.

Be that as it may, we had to wait quite a long time for the next approach to the projectile.

As a result of the operation to force Georgia to peace, our security forces had at their disposal a huge amount of captured equipment and weapons. All this was studied in some detail in specialized research institutes of various departments. Among the trophies were Israeli Negev machine guns of 5.56 caliber. The machine gun was an Israeli take on the SAW concept and was a fairly new development; it was adopted into service in 1997.

And our... policemen really liked this machine gun. Yes, it was on the initiative of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation that the Tokar R&D project was launched in 2011. The police themselves called the machine gun “assault.” It was supposed to be powered by high-capacity box magazines (in their absence, from standard AK and RPK magazines), a quick-change barrel and a variable rate of fire.

An experimental machine gun was manufactured at the Degtyarev Plant. Actually, no one else, except the Kovrovites, responded to the demands for a police assault machine gun. The machine gun and its fate as a whole were practically not featured in the public space; its appearance and stages of its life’s path were mostly not covered in the press.


Kord-5.45 in all its glory, 2018. The machine gun has a high-capacity magazine designed specifically for it. In front of the machine gun there is a spare barrel with a muzzle device.

The Tokar OCT did not end with the system being put into service. After its completion, the Tokar-2 development work started, this was back in 2016. The requirements for the machine gun have been revised. It was decided to abandon the initially dubious idea with a variable rate of fire. It was decided to make the machine gun powered primarily by belt feed, with the possibility of using box magazines. The machine gun received its own machine gun belt and belt boxes, some of which looked like a toy version of the “classic” PC/PKM box.

This machine gun, under the designation Kord-5.45, was already very active in the information field. It was shown to the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and footage of its shooting tests was officially published. In 2019, it was announced that the factory test cycle was over... And in general, that’s all, then silence.

Now, however, one can wonder how long it would have taken for the Degtyarev Plant to launch mass production of the Kord-5.45 machine gun, and would the Kovrovites have even managed it?

Now ZiD, which has become the only manufacturer of many machine guns in Russia (both for the army and for law enforcement), does not have any opportunity to deploy new production capacities. That is, we cannot produce machine guns of the Kalashnikov system of rifle caliber in sufficient quantities, let alone a new system, the production of which would have to be established from scratch.


A Russian MTR fighter “in Saratov” with an RPK-16 machine gun. Apparently, the reviews of these stern specialists put a final end to the project.

Seeing that there is general interest in machine guns chambered for low-impulse cartridges, the Kalashnikov Concern proactively began developing its project.

True, in Izhevsk, apparently, they decided not to bother and, in general, rethought the classic RPK-74. No belt feed, no firing from the rear sear. PKK as PKK.

Among the real innovations are a new “tambourine” made of polymer with as much as 95 rounds of ammunition, a “thicker” barrel, a reinforced receiver and the ability to change barrels. Not quick change, but the ability to change the barrel. Slowly, using a tool and a drift. The idea was modularity; if you want a long barrel, like the classic RPK-74M, you want a shorter one.

The new system was officially presented at the Army 2016 forum, and was also used in specialized shooting competitions with the participation of representatives of various law enforcement agencies. In 2018, victorious reports began to arrive from the general director of the concern, Krivoruchko, who was interested in the new machine gun (under the designation RPK-16), and that a batch would be purchased for military testing.

Later in the same 2018, Alexey Yuryevich, already in the status of Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation (personnel changes in the RF Ministry of Defense and bravura statements about the RPK-16, of course, are in no way connected with each other), explained that the issue of adopting a new machine gun for service already decided.

And then it was cut off. Information about the machine gun stopped coming in altogether, everything was limited to rumors and speculation, and finally it was announced that all work on the system had been stopped.


RPL-20 in all its glory.

And somewhere between the statements that it was about to happen, and now almost in service, military tests happened, and not just anywhere, but in Syria, and not by anyone, but by soldiers of the Special Operations Forces of the Russian Federation . And judging by the available information, they went very poorly.

Although the machine gun was declared to be lighter than the RPK-74M, lighter by as much as a kilogram, it had a short barrel, without a bipod and was not equipped. Due to the reinforced receiver and thicker barrel of the same length as the RPK-74M, and even with a drum magazine, the RPK-16 turned out to be heavier than the old man.

No miracle happened with the “tambourine”; its main drawbacks – the huge “empty” weight and dimensions – have not gone away. The polymer did not save, with every kilogram of cartridges in the drum-type magazine for the RPK-16, the fighter carried a whole kilogram of the weight of the magazine itself.

And finally, the machine gun turned out to be downright unsafe.

Having already delivered the first batch of machine guns to the army, the Kalashnikov Concern proposed to the military to formulate technical specifications. The military wanted a greater firing rate of the machine gun before it was necessary to cool the barrel.

No sooner said than done, but there was no quick change, so the barrel was made thicker. But shooting is also carried out from the front sear, as in general from a conventional machine gun, and the barrel can withstand high temperatures. And now in the heated chamber there is ammunition, plus the hot “Saratov” sun... Spontaneous shots occurred. It was possible to put up with the outdated design and concept, with excess weight, but without sacrificing the safety of the fighters.


There was also a solution to the problem - a universal feeding device. Such a device could be connected to both the RPK-74 and a conventional machine gun. It also didn’t take off, there was no sign of reliable operation, plus the weight characteristics turned out to be unsatisfactory.

So, almost 50 years later, engineers from Izhevsk came to the same conclusions that their American colleagues made back in the distant 1970s - what is needed is a machine gun, and not a converted machine gun. It didn't work out. Izhevsk residents returned to their own developments from the 1970s, fortunately they had them.

Thus was born the RPL-20 - a full-fledged belt-fed machine gun chambered for 5.45 cartridge. Many characteristics are not disclosed by the manufacturer, but some design features are already known. For example, engineers from Izhevsk decided that a quick-change barrel on a machine gun was not needed.

Again there will be some modularity, namely the ability to install two barrels of different lengths. The decision may be controversial, but the same FN Herstal specialists also decided to abandon this function in their new FN EVOLYS machine gun (replacing the barrel will require tools and up to three minutes of time). We can also say that the machine gun looks quite bulky for a system of this caliber.

At the beginning of 2024, it was known that the RPL-20 had completed the cycle of factory tests and was ready for the army. True, given what is happening in the Russian Defense Ministry itself, there is no confidence that the army is ready for testing. Plus, according to rumors, the main lobbyist for the interests of the Kalashnikov Concern within the walls of the Russian Defense Ministry is now preparing to either go on a free voyage, or move to an aquarium in the courtroom. So all we can do is wait and monitor the situation.

Be that as it may, we hope that the ordeal with a 5.45 caliber machine gun with a belt feed will soon end, since there is a catastrophic shortage of machine guns in the army; this, unfortunately, is already a fait accompli.

Now you can often find publications on the topic - the RPK-74 is not a machine gun at all. But the RPK-74 is at least something, and now even this is actually not enough. An attempt to make Kalashnikov machine guns chambered for 7,62 x 54 not a platoon support weapon and a single machine gun, but essentially a squad machine gun or even an individual assault weapon, only led to their high losses, an actual decrease in their combat potential and an outright shortage of these weapons.

As a result, RPDs, which at one time were considered a temporary phenomenon, are returning to the troops. But this, as usual, is completely different story.
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  1. + 12
    30 June 2024 04: 23
    And then it was cut off. Information about the machine gun stopped coming in altogether, everything was limited to rumors and speculation, and finally it was announced that all work on the system had been stopped.

    I once got into a conversation with Kalash-Media with one little man. In general, he let it slip - that such a car with a cartload of complaints arrived from the Moscow Region on the 16th, that they didn’t even begin to remake it, and they started making the rpl completely from scratch.
    they went very poorly

    it is still poorly said
    So, almost 50 years later, engineers from Izhevsk came to the same conclusions that their American colleagues made back in the distant 1970s - what is needed is a machine gun, and not a converted machine gun. It didn’t work out to cheat
    The guys were on their way to success, no luck... no luck (c) laughing It’s a pity, of course, but they got what they had.
    the fighter was dragging a whole kilogram of the weight of the magazine itself.
    EMNIP, a metal box for PKM/Pecheneg - weighs 1,25 kg, a fabric (soft) one is much less - 400g!!! In general, the Kalashnikov “shamans” were unable to knock on the tambourine. laughing
    Nowadays you can often find publications on the topic - the RPK-74 is not a machine gun at all
    fool
    A normal support machine gun at the squad/platoon level, 2 crews of 74 machine gunners completely cover the needs. Wrote the main aspects in many topics. I won't write again. Even if they assigned a company officer from SVD/U/M, this is not a reason to change “rpkashniks” to “PKMshchik”. Although the SVD itself was conceived according to the TTZ - to shoot at 600 meters with a 2MOA gross machine gun cartridge and actually cover the crew at ranges from 400 to 600 meters. And only then, more than a decade later, I don’t remember exactly, they made a 7N14 sniper cartridge and remade the rifling for it.
    1. +1
      2 July 2024 18: 59
      Strictly speaking, the RPK-74 is an automatic rifle with a thickened barrel for a long continuous burst. But the standard 40-round magazine is inconvenient when shooting from the parapet; you have to stick your head out too high. But he didn’t come across a drum magazine. If they had finished the drum magazine (tambourine) and made a simple handle on it, for example a folding bracket, then it would have been ideal, especially if they had applied solutions from Pecheneg.
      1. +2
        2 July 2024 19: 16
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        Strictly speaking, the RPK-74 is an automatic rifle with a thickened barrel for a long continuous burst

        If it’s not very strict, then it’s possible. Even the manufacturer says this. The tactics of application are completely different
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        But the standard 40-round magazine is inconvenient when shooting from the parapet; you have to lean out too high

        The 30 has 21,2 cm, the 45 has 28,5. Well, not 40 rounds, but 45, no one canceled dies of 15 feel
        1. +1
          2 July 2024 19: 18
          Sorry, I forgot, 45 rounds. But you need a drum with a larger capacity.
          And well, this is the tactic if you don’t have a reliable drum store.
  2. + 16
    30 June 2024 06: 38
    Finally, a normal and interesting article, and not mockery with or without reason. A definite plus for the article. The only question is, is it really such a problem to make a quickly replaceable barrel? After all, this is a proven technology by the same Germans back during the Second World War. Yes, our machine guns have this too.
    1. +8
      30 June 2024 06: 46
      It’s not a problem to do it, the problem is in the quick-change barrels themselves. First of all, the problem is the need to carry spare barrels with you.

      Actually, it’s not for nothing that the PKP specifically abandoned quick-change barrels.
      1. +5
        30 June 2024 06: 59
        But a thick trunk also weighs. And sooner or later it will still heat up. This is where a spare would come in handy. Well, this is my opinion, I do not at all claim to be the ultimate truth smile
        1. +4
          30 June 2024 08: 11
          And the weight is much less.

          . And sooner or later it will still heat up.


          Just the opposite - with correct positioning (in the sense of tactics of use) of the weapon and with its correct use, overheating of the barrel does not occur.

          You can look at our RPK, at the KMPsh M27 IAR which is a replacement for the M249 Minimi, at the same PKP, etc.
      2. IVZ
        +7
        30 June 2024 07: 46
        It’s not a problem to do it, the problem is in the quick-change barrels themselves. First of all, the problem is the need to carry spare barrels with you.

        Actually, it’s not for nothing that the PKP specifically abandoned quick-change barrels.
        “Dragging” of barrels is not a problem for designers or production. The presence of a quick-change spare barrel is a completely justified requirement of the Customer due to the need to ensure the required firing mode. Increasing the thickness of the walls, introducing forced airflow according to the Lewis type (PLB) and other dances with tambourines do not give the desired effect. The rejection of the “second” barrel is most often due to reasons of an economic and production nature, associated primarily with a decline in manufacturing quality, as well as the reluctance or inability of developers to create a new basic model that corresponds to existing production realities.
        1. +3
          30 June 2024 08: 14
          Increasing the thickness of the walls, introducing forced airflow according to the Lewis type (PLB) and other dances with tambourines do not give the desired effect.



          And then the USMC with its M27 IAR chuckle quietly. And they at least planned to replace at the squad level all M249 Minimi with a quick-change barrel with the M27 IAR - without a quick-change barrel. And based on the results of combat use, their reviews are strictly positive.

          So it may not give the effect you need, but neither the USMC nor the RF Armed Forces are interested in the effect you need.
          1. IVZ
            -1
            30 June 2024 08: 23
            What does the assault rifle and the USMC have to do with it? We seem to have the PKK, etc. And about the RF Armed Forces, I’m embarrassed to ask, is it accurate information or an inference?
            1. +1
              30 June 2024 08: 26
              Before writing, you need to study the mathematical part. What other "assault rifle"? The M27 IAR serves as a squad light machine gun in the USMC. Just like the M249 Minimi did previously, which the M27 IAR replaces.

              And about the RF Armed Forces, I’m embarrassed to ask, is it accurate information or a mental conclusion?


              Accurate. The Pecheneg PKP has been put into service for a very long time and, including the refusal of interchangeable barrels, has received many positive reviews from the field.
              1. IVZ
                -1
                30 June 2024 08: 28
                That's exactly what it does. But PKP does not suit everyone, and the reviews are by no means only positive. It all depends on the conditions of use, and they are different.
                1. +2
                  30 June 2024 08: 31
                  1. And the M27 IAR does it great. There was debate about the feasibility of such a step, but even opponents of the M27 IAR did not mention the quick-change barrel.

                  2. There is no need to pass off “not everyone is happy with it” as “not happy with the lack of a quick-change barrel.” Actually, I personally have not heard from any machine gunner I personally know that he suffers from the fact that now he no longer needs to carry replacement barrels and change them.
                  1. IVZ
                    +1
                    30 June 2024 08: 43
                    And the M27 IAR does this brilliantly. There was debate about the feasibility of such a step, but even opponents of the M27 IAR did not mention the quick-change barrel.
                    Even if this is true, which I deeply doubt (I didn’t have to read the reports, especially since I know how they are sometimes compiled), but this rifle (don’t call it a rifle, structurally it remains a rifle) does not have a belt feed and is unlikely to be carried by a machine gunner. Is it very different from the shooter’s BC and the thickening of the barrel there is probably enough.
                    As for what should or should not be “given out” - I will reserve this right, as well as the right to have my own opinion.
                    1. +1
                      30 June 2024 08: 58
                      That's what I say - before writing, you need to study the mathematical part. For example, read the same reports and the same discussion between supporters and opponents of the M27 IAR as a replacement for the M249 Minimi.

                      Because your statement supposedly in the USA is “a decline in manufacturing quality, as well as the reluctance or inability of developers to create a new basic model that corresponds to existing production realities.” funny to read, to put it mildly. In fact, it’s funny to read this about the domestic PKP; it is precisely an example of the ability of developers to create a new model that corresponds to modern realities.

                      but this rifle (don’t call it a rifle, structurally it remains a rifle)



                      A! So are you one of those who believe that a machine gun is strictly with a belt? :D

                      And yes, there is no need to confuse personal opinion and an attempt to pass it off as some kind of feedback.
                      1. IVZ
                        +1
                        30 June 2024 09: 04
                        Your statement supposedly in the USA “a decline in workmanship,
                        What nonsense? I don’t know anything about US production and I didn’t mean it at all.
                        And yes, there is no need to confuse personal opinion and an attempt to pass it off as some kind of feedback.
                        But I agree with this unconditionally.
                      2. 0
                        30 June 2024 09: 11
                        What nonsense is this?


                        Your message. And without knowing it, you also meant it, since it is the USMC that refuses interchangeable barrels for machine guns at the squad level.
                  2. +2
                    30 June 2024 16: 50
                    Of course, the machine gunner does not suffer due to the lack of a replaceable barrel. If it were possible, he would not carry the machine gun laughing But the Germans in World War II carried both a replaceable barrel and a set of spare parts, which included a replaceable bolt and an anti-aircraft sight and much more. A machine gun is, first of all, a crew and not just one fighter. Plus the barrel tends to get clogged, I cut the barrels from the MG with a grinder, there was a bullet inside. It didn’t tear, they are thick, unlike the “three rubles”, but that happened.
                    1. +1
                      30 June 2024 16: 55
                      SO they worked with a different tactic, everyone was around the machine gun, the task of the squad was to cover it. And it wasn’t the crew itself that carried all this stuff, but the entire department... no need to compare No.
                      1. -1
                        1 July 2024 16: 53
                        The German machine gun crew is three people. They carried the main load. Although in some cases, additional ammunition was distributed among the squad members. Otherwise, it is similar to what you described below. The crew, led by the squad commander, make up the fire group, the rest are maneuverable
                    2. +1
                      30 June 2024 17: 27
                      1. Technology and military affairs as such have moved forward since the Second World War.
                      2. It has already been correctly noted that the Nazis’ entire tactics, literally the entire squad, were built around the machine gun. Today I don’t know of any army in the world where it would be the same.
                      1. +3
                        30 June 2024 22: 18
                        My squad was also built on the crew of 74 rpk soldiers, they cover the movement, work in short bursts up to 15, a multiple of 45, 10 seconds at a time. so that the second one is on reload - 1 covers it. Each one has at least 8 magazines on staff, 1 fighter is on backup, he keeps an eye on the closer and while he holds the main number, he loads the magazines from the dies, and if he’s really bad, then the dies too. This calculation holds any distance in the flesh in 2 directions up to 400-500 meters. This is not an RPK, if the number went to reload or the tape gave a wedge... then it is covered by a rotnik with an SVD/U/M. I had 2 RPK crews in my squad... checked since the second Chechnya... and in general there were no problems even 1,5 years ago.
                        Advantage
                        1. BC is bigger
                        2. Self-sufficient
                        3. The nomenclature is the same... if it’s a trynd, they can always give 30k
                        4. wounded - and I had everyone undergone RPK-74 - can replace, everyone knew perfectly well the priority because all the weapons were aimed at 4 for the entire platoon
                        We took a position, half of them dug in at once - I walked from the placer along the dies and from them the shops... who manually loaded the shop on the back of the head... only if it’s just a hat... And you try to load the tape from the placer without a machine to the PKI... your fingers will be calloused and if you don’t have experience, then the calculation of the wedge will catch you, and a very unpleasant one at that
                      2. 0
                        2 July 2024 19: 16
                        And what can you do in bursts of 15 rounds if the magazine holds 45 pieces?
                        No, the RPK needs a reliable drum magazine. It's strange that the RPK won't have barrel cooling like the Pecheneg and a reliable high-capacity magazine. They could have announced a competition for a drum magazine and gotten what they wanted.
                      3. +1
                        2 July 2024 19: 19
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        And what can you do in bursts of 15 rounds if the magazine is full? 40 things?

                        With a fright? belay In addition, they are loaded from dies (magazines) of 15 each. The capacity on an AK is a multiple of 15, so there are stores, for example, with 60 seats.
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        They would announce a competition for a drum shop and get what they want

                        Everyone is running around with ubnas, and not just here - as a result, 100% of the work has not yet been done, it is difficult to manufacture, heavier, and uncomfortable to wear.
                      4. 0
                        2 July 2024 19: 23
                        If the target is very quick, then firing 20-30 rounds at it at a time is not a shame. Unfortunately, small stores do not allow this.
                        The RPK-74 is a good machine, but it would need a big magazine!
                      5. +1
                        2 July 2024 19: 28
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        Sorry, I forgot, 45 rounds

                        It happens, colleague! soldier lol

                        I also wrote about the drums above - how many have been messing around with them for decades... the cart is still there and not only here. Large dry weight to the capacity, difficult to manufacture, loading in the "field" - I don't know if the 15-mm shells are suitable for them... but I suppose in the end it will be possible to push the latter only with hammer blows wassat The RPK-16 has just half the complaints - it’s a tambourine. It was so abused that the Kalashnikovs threw it out altogether and didn’t even bother to modify it. And the most important thing is carrying them. Those. It seems that you are not a single machine gunner 7,62 - but you still have problems with mobility. Diamonds are only good in shooting games and don’t give a wedge wassat
                      6. +1
                        2 July 2024 19: 33
                        Their approach is wrong. If you push yourself, announce a competition, a good reward, then the result will be a “tambourine”.
                        But I don’t understand the dissatisfaction with the RPK-74, it’s a good and accurate machine.
                      7. +1
                        2 July 2024 19: 38
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        then the result will be “tambourine”.

                        They have money... and what we see is everything on the tape in the intermediate cartridge. They don’t have a normal tambourine either.

                        We were taught it separately during training, and we even got to run.

                        up to 400-500 meters, a crew with the 2nd RPK-74 is much better than a crew with 1 PKM/Pecheneg - more mobile, higher fire density. PKM, unfortunately, has delays and quite frequent ones. You need to study for it separately, so that in battle you can do everything with your eyes closed. Because without it, there is no separation. And the RP players can go out of sync, while 1 is reloading, the second number is covering. + nomenclature is the same for the entire department, etc. - I wrote more than once in topics.
                      8. 0
                        30 June 2024 22: 46
                        Everyone who had normal machine guns came to this conclusion, right down to the Chinese, when they received Czech products. Those who had an oversized rifle, a combat dust collector, or a shooter with two ammunition pancakes - yes, they were perverted.
          2. +1
            30 June 2024 23: 41
            Not certainly in that way
            Initially, the USMC planned to purchase 6.500 M27 for replacing parts of M249 light machine guns, used by machine gunners in infantry and light armored reconnaissance battalions. Approximately 8.000–10.000 M249 will remain in service Marine Corps and will be used at the discretion of company commanders. In December 2017, the Marine Corps announced that will arm every member of an infantry squad with an M27, replacing the M4 carbine, which will remain in service with the platoon commander and above.[6]
            1. 0
              1 July 2024 01: 48
              Exactly. The quote says that all M249 Minimi at the squad level were replaced, and those same 8 - 10 thousand were transferred to the company level.
              1. 0
                1 July 2024 09: 30
                equips every member of an infantry squad with an M27, replacing the M4 carbine
                1. 0
                  1 July 2024 09: 31
                  You have confused M27 and M27 IAR. Yes, the M27 replaces the M4. And the M27 IAR is its machine gun modification and now it replaces the M249 Minimi.

                  There is also the M38 - the Marxman modification.
                  1. 0
                    1 July 2024 11: 22
                    M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle (IAR)
                    This is its full name
                    In early 2017, Commandant of the Marine Corps General Robert Neller said he wanted to equip every "0311" rifleman with the M27 IAR rifle. For this reason, in early 2017, the Marine Corps requested 11 M000 IARs from H&K. Speaking about the Corps' request, Chris Woodburn, deputy of the Maneuver, Fires and Maneuver Integration Division at Marine Corps Combat Development Command, said, "The new order will replace all M27s in every infantry squad with M4s, with the exception of the squad leader."

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M27_Infantry_Automatic_Rifle
                    1. 0
                      1 July 2024 15: 57
                      Quote from solar
                      M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle (IAR)
                      This is its full name

                      It seems that history has begun a new round of the spiral. For more than a hundred years ago, the Yankees adopted the Browning Automatic Rifle. And they decided to use it as a light machine gun, abandoning the topic of RP for a long time.
                      And then, during the next war, they invented all sorts of ersatz and shushpangevers - in order to close the RP niche.
                      1. 0
                        1 July 2024 19: 07
                        The military has always wanted uniform weapons.
                        RPK+AKM is also from the same line.
  3. -7
    30 June 2024 06: 46
    The topic is very interesting, we need to work to the fullest extent, the 5,45 machine gun is very necessary for the turrets and in each compartment, and also on the UAV, in order to shoot the Banderaites remotely. And the 5,45 is also required to be upgraded to increase its effectiveness range to 1000 meters.
    1. +6
      30 June 2024 08: 53
      5.45 becomes an ineffective caliber with the development of body armor. There is a video in Telega where a Russian attack aircraft shoots a machine gunner at point-blank range with a machine gun, and he flies off, but manages to escape. Most likely the armor held up.
      1. +1
        30 June 2024 14: 16
        Depends on the cartridge too. The smaller caliber is compensated by the speed of the bullet. Here, of course, distance matters. But if you take 4,7mm German MP7 bullets, they can easily pierce armor, but again these are melee weapons.
      2. 0
        1 July 2024 01: 06
        Well, usually, even if the bullet does not penetrate the body armor, the fighter still becomes incapacitated
  4. -4
    30 June 2024 08: 10
    One hell of a lot, everyone is shooting in that direction. And in the trenches they use AKM.
  5. +2
    30 June 2024 09: 12
    An attempt to make Kalashnikov machine guns chambered for 7,62 x 54 not a platoon support weapon and a single machine gun, but essentially a squad machine gun or even an individual assault weapon, only led to their high losses, an actual decrease in their combat potential and an outright shortage of these weapons.
    But in my opinion, this is absolutely the right path: reasonable range and decent power of the cartridge at the cost of 2.5 kg of additional mass (for the PKM the mass without the machine is 7,5 kg, for the RPK - 5 kg). Missing RMB? Release more, it’s the 21st century, how could there be a shortage of machine guns?
    1. +3
      30 June 2024 11: 42
      at a cost of 2.5 kg of additional weight (for PKM the weight without the machine is 7,5 kg, for RPK - 5 kg)

      And if you calculate the mass with the second barrel (or 8+ kg of PKP) and ammunition, suddenly a second calculation number or additional load will appear for everyone around.
      1. +1
        30 June 2024 14: 40
        Quote: Maxim Davydov
        suddenly a second calculation number will appear
        The second number - of course, what would you do without it?
    2. +1
      30 June 2024 13: 39
      For the RPK-74, if you count everything in 100k, the weight of the ammo weighs 2 times less, well, if you take soft ones for PKM - ok... 750 grams less... but the weight also needs to be taken into account... and for a platoon the RPK is better than 1 pm
      1. +1
        30 June 2024 14: 42
        Quote from Enceladus
        and for a platoon RPK is better than 1 PKM
        Amers not long ago complained about the Afghans that those with old rifles shot them with impunity from a long distance. In this case, the RPK will not help, but the PKM will.
        1. +3
          30 June 2024 14: 50
          Quote: bk0010
          and PKM - quite.

          How? It is like any old rifle - at 1 km the bullet is already subsonic... simply due to the massive weight of the suppression salvo. depending on the air temperature and pressure (which actually depend directly) - the transition to subsonic range is from 800 to 900 meters... and then not a single beam will calculate ballistics for you. The bullet becomes unstable + angle to the horizon and overturning effect - ending with cariolis. The real niche of PKM is 1-600 meters... in combination with a company (or infantry) with SVD/U/M - they are still TTZ sidekicks in the 800s. Now a squad/platoon at such ranges simply doesn’t work at all!
          1. +1
            30 June 2024 16: 25
            Quote from Enceladus
            It’s like any old rifle - at 1 km the bullet is already subsonic...
            So the enemy has the same layouts. Now, if there was a Lapua magnum on the other side, there would be problems.
            1. +1
              30 June 2024 16: 30
              What does the .338LM have to do with it? LM is a smoke of snipers (actually, they are between counter-snipers and ordinary company snipers). And believe me, the LM on the 404 side is enough... while our Lomaevites cannot replicate the cartridge in any way, that the sleeve offset is +-1mm!! Chiteka .375 is not new to them, although in 2002 I found .408 from Vovchik.... atrocious caliber... recourse am While the Lomaevites are trying to sell their super duper Stalingrads, which are not even worth breathing - otherwise there will be a wedge... the basis will still be ASVK, etc. - time-tested
              1. 0
                30 June 2024 17: 29
                Quote from Enceladus
                What does the .338LM have to do with it?
                Amers are working on the issue of transferring machine guns and sniper rifles to LM.
                1. +1
                  30 June 2024 17: 35
                  .338 LM...for a machine gun?????
                  It’s a shame you can’t insert radishes from the cart here wassat LM, like chitek... these are high-impulse cartridges... what are they going to shoot with? A single machine gun like their .50BMG - so this cartridge can handle both our 12.7x108 and theirs 12,7x99. And then machine guns in this caliber are mainly used from the machine... even the cliff is no exception feel
                  1. +1
                    30 June 2024 21: 04
                    Quote from Enceladus
                    .338 LM...for a machine gun?????
                    Yes. They want to achieve a destruction range greater than ours, plus overcome the protection of body armor.
                    https://topwar.ru/16210-legkiy-sredniy-pulemet-ot-general-dynamics-pod-patron-338-norma-magnum.html
                    https://dzen.ru/a/XiKQwLuJLACt5oOt
  6. +3
    30 June 2024 10: 12
    standard "tambourine" on RPK-74

    I came across the opinion that the “tambourine” in production was more expensive than the machine gun itself, and the Ministry of Defense abandoned it. In the 1970s, they were preparing for a big war, and they didn’t consider it necessary to build so many expensive stores.
  7. +5
    30 June 2024 11: 40
    I met analytics that stated that when used in accordance with the NSD and our regulations (targeted fire in single and short bursts), and not “gansta style” (long bursts for suppression), it is the RPK with all its shortcomings relative to the conventional Minimi that is adequate. Well, and vice versa.
  8. +5
    30 June 2024 12: 46
    “Nowadays there are many publications on the topic “The RPK is not a machine gun,” but, apparently, the MTR fighters found a use for it.” ??!! fool You might think that MTR fighters have a choice! soldier
    1. 0
      2 July 2024 14: 15
      Any weapon, if it has cartridges, is better than if it doesn’t have it. And if you need ordinary cartridges supplied by suppliers, then even more so.
  9. +2
    30 June 2024 12: 53
    The article is good and informative (excellent photos of weapons).
    I really liked our “minimi answer”.

    But why was it necessary to insert the shameful photograph of Kolokoltsev?
    He casts a dirty, stinking shadow on the leader of the Nation.
    This lover of Turkestanis, in a sad impulse, went so far as to say that migrants commit only 4% of crimes!
    Shame on him!

    Honest representatives of the Moscow Ugro, name other numbers!
    More 90% of crimes in Moscow are committed by Turkestanis!
    75% rapes in Moscow, committed by immigrants from Central Asia!
  10. +2
    30 June 2024 13: 29
    No miracle happened with the “tambourine”; its main drawbacks – the huge “empty” weight and dimensions – have not gone away. The polymer did not save, with every kilogram of cartridges in the drum-type magazine for the RPK-16, the fighter carried a whole kilogram of the weight of the magazine itself.

    but really, a 95-round drum weighs more than 3 magazines of 30 rounds, a whole kilogram (or even more)?
    1. +6
      30 June 2024 13: 46
      If you recalculate 45ki 5.45 per hundred square meters... the weight will be 1,6 kg... a 100ka metal box for PKM is 3,5 kg, if hardened - then 2,8 kg... so the calculation of 74 rpk will give the PKM up to 400-500 meters no problem
      1. 0
        30 June 2024 14: 23
        so the calculation of 74 rpk will reach pkm up to 400-500 meters without problems

        Moreover, it is impossible to distinguish RPK shots from a conventional machine gun. The RPK-16 is a cool machine gun, and the standard optics turns the machine gun into a sniper rifle, with accuracy higher than that of the SVD at a distance of 500 meters, thanks to the thick barrel. The only drawback is not the drum, but the insufficiently strong fastening of the removable barrel. RPK-16 was sent for testing at the school named after. The Supreme Council, I don’t know what it’s called now, but those vandals started shooting from it using a bipod as an anchor, and they tore out the barrel.
      2. +2
        30 June 2024 14: 24
        even if we take Wiki as a starting point, an empty 7.62x39 tambourine weighs 600g, and a horn 200g. and how they calculated an extra kilogram of weight per kilogram of cartridges is unclear...
        1. +3
          30 June 2024 15: 24
          I'm talking about the RPK-74.... in our area, no one has ever seen an RPK at 7,62. The mass of 100 ps is roughly 1,1 kg, the mass of 45 bakelite is 275 grams - recalculate by 100 according to the proportion. The RPK-74 is a really working light machine gun at the squad and platoon level... and it cannot replace the PKM in this niche...
          1. +3
            30 June 2024 15: 33
            Yes, there’s nothing to even count here... the article smells (it hurts the eyes) of outright ordering
            1. +3
              30 June 2024 15: 58
              Yes, I didn’t say, a couple of weeks ago Kalash did release a video clarification about 16... where they admit that they screwed up. And according to inside information, the RPL-20 will not work, there are also a lot of reliability problems with the factory ones, despite the fact that they tried to approach it from the machine gun side
              1. +1
                30 June 2024 17: 35
                and there was no need to enter from the side of the machine gun... (although with an increase in weight by a kilogram, firing from the rear sear could have been left out). The only thing that is now relevant is a “new approach to the projectile”, in connection with the expected transition to 6.02x41 (and possibly also to the replacement of 7.62x54 with the same cartridge as this caliber)
                1. 0
                  30 June 2024 17: 44
                  Do you know that our supposedly progressive 6.02x41 is now abandoned and cut down to 5.45x39? laughing This is a cartridge from several decades ago... sorry... well, honestly too lazy to Google - I’m speaking from memory. I don’t remember what the problem was, whether it was in the machines, or something else... who knows, I think Vyacheslav can correct me good Our own caliber! I’m not afraid of this word in VO! I read the articles a long time ago. As they say... call a friend. Here I am not particularly strong in history. There is not a word in the instructions and other DSPs on shooting and ballistics, just facts, as Muller said in 17 moments of spring - he came, she said, he conveyed... about reconnaissance... I don’t remember the exact quote and the moment of the series too.. .or maybe not him... if you watched it, I think you remember.
                  1. +2
                    30 June 2024 18: 41
                    I don't know, but the application looked convincing
                    1. 0
                      30 June 2024 18: 43
                      But apparently it turned out as always... request
                2. +1
                  2 July 2024 14: 17
                  Quote: prodi
                  with an increase in weight by a kilogram, shooting from the rear sear could be left aside

                  I note that in 1942 the FG-42 rifle fired single-shot from the front and auto-fire from the rear sear. Kinematics couldn’t be simpler, but... we need alloy steels, which Izhevsk doesn’t like
        2. +4
          30 June 2024 20: 11
          An empty tambourine from 7.62x39 with 75 rounds weighed 900 g.
          Empty machine gun horn - depending on the material of manufacture:
          - the steel horn weighed 330 g. AKM inherited it from the “third model” AK adopted in 1955.
          - made of AMG-5V alloy. Weight - 170 grams. GRAU index - 6L9. In common parlance - "landing". Produced since 1962. Occurs infrequently.
          - made of AG-4S plastic. Weight - 250 grams. GRAU index - 6L10. In common parlance it is “saffron milk cap”. For some reason they were all only one color, red. Produced since 1968.

          Unfortunately, I have no information about what the tambourine for the PKK was made of. If it is made of steel (I suspect so), then it is 2,7 times heavier than the same steel horn and holds 2,5 times more cartridges. In the equipped version, two tambourines with 150 rounds weigh 4,23 kg. And the weight of five steel horns with the same 150 cartridges is 4,08 kg. The difference is only 150 grams!
          1. +2
            1 July 2024 00: 59
            Just for fun, I now weighed the RPD tambourine with a 100 tape (without cartridges, of course) - 720 grams. This is true, for your information, if you want to count.
            1. 0
              1 July 2024 07: 18
              I read that it is 780-800 grams :)
          2. +1
            1 July 2024 07: 22
            I forgot to add: steel horn from the RPK for 40 rounds - 400 grams; from AMG-5V alloy - 200 grams.
          3. +1
            2 July 2024 14: 22
            Quote: The Meaning of Life
            The difference is only 150 grams!

            Question about the difference in production price. The price of molds, the price of presses for bending everything stamped, the dies themselves. The spring is also more complicated. In the USSR, in the defense industry, machine hours were mainly counted, the price in rubles... calculated in different ways.
            The fact is that in a socialist economy the cost of the item produced was... generally lower than in capitalism:
            - by 30 percent, since there is no advertising
            - by 13 percent, since there are no taxes
            - by ... percent, since there is no Pension Fund
            - it is unknown to what extent, that there are no “shareholders” and corruption
            And then the features of the USSR economy as a whole.
  11. +1
    30 June 2024 19: 52
    The article is more than controversial! Initially, belt feed is optimal for stationary weapons. A machine gun in a pillbox, on equipment, is normal. Next to it is a box for 200-500 rounds and off we go if necessary.. For infantry, even a box for 200 rounds is too heavy, have you seen what the guys ask the volunteers for? Boxes of hundreds! Changing the belt takes much longer than changing the magazine, plus there are regular jambs with improper loading or loss of the belt during reloading. The magazine is lighter than the belt, in addition, now there are a lot of extended magazines, triple 60-round ones for example. The belt is inappropriate for infantry weapons.

    What the RPK lacks today is not a tape, but a bolt stop! Click the horn (coupled, for example) and shoot further with a delay of no more than half a second.

    In general, it seems that now there is a need for a more powerful automatic rifle chambered for the 7.62x54 machine gun cartridge. Something like the Tula SVU-A.

  12. BAI
    +2
    30 June 2024 21: 28
    I was at the exhibition and presentation of Rosoboronexport. Tula residents presented a new sniper rifle. It was tested in the troops. The reviews are positive. But they don’t accept supplies - all kinds of undercurrents in the Moscow Region, without explaining the reasons. New technology is difficult.
  13. +2
    1 July 2024 00: 10
    As a result, RPDs, which at one time were considered a temporary phenomenon, are returning to the troops. But this, as usual, is a completely different story.

    Unfortunately, RPDs are not returned. I shot the RPD (long ago) and the RPK-74 (now). The RPD is ideal, the RPK is complete rubbish (that’s why I transferred to another unit). Advantages of the RPD: caliber, firing from an open bolt and the ability to fire a hundred and one bursts. The only downside is the weight, but it's tolerable. In a built-up, the PKM/PKP is overly powerful, long and heavy, while the RPK is weak against armor and heats up wildly. Even in training, the old ones wrote reports asking for RPD. No...
    It is clear that there is no point in restoring production; there is no time to develop something to replace it. But, damn it, is it really impossible to buy it? In China or North Korea, especially not much is needed, at least for attack aircraft.
    1. 0
      4 July 2024 23: 59
      1) The reliability of the RPD could not be compared with the RPK. And this is one of the most important indicators.
      2) As for “RPK is weak against armor” - it’s generally funny, since it fires the same cartridge as the RPD, and the initial speed is the same. Although of course this does not apply to the RPK-74, its caliber also contains cartridges with increased penetration - 7N10, 7N22.
      3) text from the state test report on the PKK:
      Checking the possibility of self-ignition of a cartridge in the chamber, heating of machine gun parts and the safety of firing from them in case of violation of the rules for preparing them for firing.
      Self-ignition of a cartridge in the chamber was determined after 200 and 300 shots from a machine gun at an air temperature of -5 +2C and at an air and weapon temperature of +50C, and of cartridges +70C.
      Fire mode - 100 shots in bursts, 100 continuous fire, and the last 100 shots were fired in 50 shots in bursts and continuous fire.
      Under these conditions of firing in a Kalashnikov machine gun, self-ignition of the cartridge in the chamber does not occur, i.e. in this regard, the Kalashnikov machine gun is safe.
      The Korobov, Konstantinov and Degtyarev-Garanin machine guns have an increased tendency for the cartridge to self-ignite in the chamber, and especially the Korobov machine gun, in which the cartridge self-ignition occurs not only after the ammunition has been used up (300 rounds), but also after a smaller number of shots (up to 200 rounds).

      In RPK-74 it is allowed continuous shooting up to 200 shots (source - Yuri Ponomarev).
      It is allowed in the RPD maintaining intense fire up to 300 shots (source - NSD).
      In general, if the terms continuous shooting и maintaining intense fire mean the same thing, then RPD really wins. Although perhaps not due to firing from an open bolt, but due to the fact that the 5,45 bullet flies much faster and, accordingly, heats up the weapon more.
      By the way, in the NSD for RPK/RPK-74 I could not find data anywhere on the permissible queue length.
  14. +2
    1 July 2024 19: 56
    If they can’t make a new 5,45 mm machine gun, let them re-barrel the RPD and make a replacement barrel. At one time they wanted simplifications for Kalashnikov, and were left with nothing. Our theorists from the General Staff. Or there are no designers left at all!
    1. +2
      2 July 2024 17: 52
      There is no point in re-firing the RPD; during an assault, the 7,62x39 cartridge is optimal. A replaceable barrel is also useless, the RPD fires from an open bolt, and even if the barrel is red-hot, the cartridge will not have time to heat up milliseconds before being impaled by the firing pin. This is a fundamentally different system, unlike the PKK.
      1. 0
        3 July 2024 09: 22
        At a minimum, when switching the RPD to 5.45, the BC will increase by 20-25 percent. And the flatness will be better. It will also be possible to reduce the weight of the moving parts, recalculating them for lower shot energy. And the machine gun will become a little lighter.
  15. +1
    2 July 2024 11: 11
    They are stepping on the same rake again, 70 years later. Again an idiotic solution with a non-removable barrel. Why then did they abandon the RPD? Re-barrel the RPD to 5.45 and make a loose tape. Since 1970, nothing has been invented... It seems that for the last 50 years they have been giving technical specifications for the manufacture of the worst and most inconvenient sample.
    The phrase used by many people “from the word at all” is very annoying. Where did you pick up this collective farm "capelin"?
    1. +1
      2 July 2024 14: 26
      Quote: cast iron
      It feels like the last 50 years have been giving technical specifications for the production of the worst and most inconvenient sample.

      We lost one. 150 years. And even more. The trouble is that Izhevsk stubbornly does not use alloy steels in weapons. In the days of 98k, making an entire rifle from a 65G analogue to ours was a breakthrough. Because less durable steels were not brought to the plant at all, worker mistakes and the manufacture of rifle parts from unsuitable material were excluded. P08 is also all made of similar steel, except for the swivel.
      But years have passed and without alloy steels it is no longer possible to make a weapon reliable and meet the weight requirements.
  16. +2
    3 July 2024 10: 34
    It’s a pity that under President Medvedev there are 15 million units. weapons chambered for 7,62x39 mm and 7,62 x54 mm destroyed the RPD machine guns... if only their production could be restored, including those chambered for 5,45x39 mm, and not have to deal with remakes
    1. 0
      3 July 2024 12: 46
      Restoring the production of an obsolete machine gun from scratch is a bad idea. Yes, the RPD is outdated, but it is needed now. The only way out is to buy a few thousand (you don’t need a lot, especially since they gave it away themselves) abroad, and develop and launch something new yourself, taking into account past mistakes.
    2. 0
      14 July 2024 20: 51
      Well, not all of them, and we started cutting them earlier.
      The simple question is that the RPD was abandoned for a reason...
      A belt machine gun is heavier and takes longer to reload than a magazine gun, it is less reliable, or rather not so, it takes longer to eliminate delays associated with the cartridge...
      At the same time, in terms of capabilities, it is much inferior to PC(m/p)... Especially taking into account the development of PPE in the last 10 years.
  17. 0
    3 July 2024 12: 12
    Whenever the belt light machine gun and the repeating submachine gun are compared as infantry squad weapons, the only question that arises is whether the suppressive fire of the belt weapon can be replaced by the more accurate fire of the submachine gun. The weight is not indicative, since there is no point in comparing only weapons. We also have to account for the greater number of magazines that the Heavy will have to carry compared to the rest of the team. The real advantage is that the machine gunner, armed with a machine gun, blends in with the rest of the team.
  18. 0
    14 July 2024 20: 42
    Machine guns chambered for low-pulse cartridges are a very specific thing.
    It is not bad enough within the framework of any anti-terrorism, which is not typical for the army.
    The cartridge is rather weak for an army machine gun. That is, the machine gun must hit targets behind light field shelters and in PPE, well, at least at 500-600 meters... Even the 7,62*51/54 rifle cartridge is already poorly suited to this; in fact, the Americans and the British are already developing machine guns for . 338, which the fighter can still carry, but which will give a noticeable increase in power.
    For the army, a machine gun would be good that could be fed with both belts and machine gun magazines, then, roughly speaking, the machine gunner could fire for a long time and at the same time instantly reload with his own or a comrade’s machine gun magazine.
    But such systems turn out to be heavy and, most importantly, not very reliable...
    Plus they are complex and, as a result, expensive to produce.
    In principle, the PKK had a fairly reliable tambourine. Why didn’t they make a similar one for 5,45 is a mystery...
    As an option, add another 60 charging magazines.
    They left the RPD for a reason, although it was generally not bad and it was possible to re-barrel them...
    In general, a light machine gun, with the ability to be equipped with capacious magazines and the ability to change a long/short barrel, would be ideal... It is necessary to add magazines for 60 rounds...