Air defense of cities, oil depots and industrial facilities: Avanpost-S UAV observers and FPV interceptors

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Air defense of cities, oil depots and industrial facilities: Avanpost-S UAV observers and FPV interceptors

In the material “Global Ear”: an all-Russian network for detecting enemy air attacks we have considered a relatively simple and inexpensive way to ensure primary detection and determination of the approximate route - direction of movement of long-range air attack weapons (AAW), primarily such as cruise missiles (CR) and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of the enemy kamikaze.

At the same time, for now, the fight against kamikaze UAVs is in first place, since they have already begun to be used in quantities of up to a hundred vehicles per day, and their flight range can exceed three thousand kilometers - while the enemy does not have a missile system with a comparable range and in comparable quantities, however, if you don’t take tough measures, it will happen sooner or later.



But even if the enemy acquires a significant number of long-range cruise missiles, the task of combating long-range kamikaze UAVs will still not lose its relevance, since it is with the help of kamikaze UAVs that the enemy overloads our air defense systems (Defense) before striking with cruise missiles. We will destroy kamikaze UAVs with other forces and means – it will be easier for “traditional” air defense to deal with cruise missiles, missiles of operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) and other complex air targets.

So, after receiving primary information about the approximate number, location and direction of movement of the enemy kamikaze UAV, we need to ensure:

- additional search and precise determination of the location of enemy kamikaze UAVs with data correction in real time;
- withdrawal of weapons to the target area and their destruction.

Let's consider possible ways to solve these problems.

UAV "Avanpost-S"


Last year, the ROSTEC state corporation announced the “Quasimast”, a quadcopter-type UAV whose power and control would be provided from the surface via cable. On the pages of Military Review we considered the possibility of such use of UAVs back in April 2019 in the material Ensuring the work of the air defense system on low-flying targets without involving Air Force aviation.


Equipment lifting system "Quazimast" of the Kalashnikov concern of the state corporation ROSTECH

In principle, the idea is not new, apparently, it is being developed by both Russian and Ukrainian companies, and similar developments are also underway in other countries of the world, some sources even showed images of UAVs controlled by fiber optics, the author also contacted several Russian manufacturers FPV-drones on the specified topic.

It is UAVs with power and cable control that should become a means of additional search and precise determination of the location of enemy kamikaze UAVs with real-time data correction - let's call them "Avanpost-S" UAVs, where "C" means that the drone is conditionally stationary.

The main means of detecting enemy kamikaze UAVs should be thermal imagers - they are lightweight and capable of seeing hot parts of the target, such as the engine, from a distance of several kilometers. Potentially, additional Avanpost-S UAVs could be equipped with ultraviolet (UV) sensors that are capable of detecting the exhaust of turbojet engines (TRE) of cruise missiles, but only if this does not greatly increase the cost of the UAV.

Depending on the carrying capacity of the UAV carrier, a small-sized radar station (radar) can potentially be placed on it - some radar models weigh less than a hundred kilograms, which is quite acceptable for certain quadrocopter (octacopter/hexacopter) type agrodrones. To reduce the weight of the radar, you don’t have to rotate it - let it have a sector view with electronic scanning; if necessary, you can expand the field of view by rotating the UAV itself.

There is no point in “shoving” everything onto one UAV - there may be modifications, for example, in providing protection from kamikaze UAVs of a large industrial facility, two or three Avanpost-S UAVs with radar and several dozen Avanpost-S UAVs can be used » with thermal imagers.

The Avanpost-S UAV can be produced in several versions depending on the basing criterion. A completely stationary option should be based on a ground-based site and receive power from a stationary electrical network. The control center where operator-observers will be located can be the same for the entire facility.


Stationary option for placing a UAV observer

In the partially mobile version, the drone will be based in the back of a car, which will also have a gas-diesel generator installed to provide it with power. Accordingly, the operator-observer will also be located in the cabin. This mobile-stationary version of the Avanpost-S UAV can be used to quickly organize the protection of objects or sectors for the period until the stationary version is deployed, or to quickly increase the security of an object for a certain period, or to temporarily replace failed ones stationary UAV posts "Avanpost-S".

Just as when creating the Global Ear system, the development and production of the Avanpost-S UAV should be carried out with the maximum use of commercial components - no lettered design documentation (CD), acceptance by the technical control department (QD) of the manufacturer/supplier.


In the mobile version, a container with a UAV observer can be placed, for example, in the back of a pickup truck

After we, with the help of the Avanpost-S UAV observers, have detected the approach of an enemy kamikaze UAV to a protected object or line, it is necessary to ensure their destruction. Presumably, the most effective solution for this could be the use of FPV interceptor drones.

FPV interceptors


The possibility of using FPV drones to intercept long-range kamikaze UAVs was considered by the author some time ago, but at that time there was no information that the enemy was using them for this purpose, so I did not want to give him food for thought. At the same time, the prospects for the development of this area were announced to a number of enterprises involved in the development and production of FPV drones. Now there is no point in hiding information on this topic, since there is enough video on the Internet showing the enemy using FPV drones to intercept long-range kamikaze UAVs, which are very similar to our Geranium.

Structurally, the first models of FPV interceptors may be practically no different from those currently used on the line of combat contact (LCC) in Ukraine. A prerequisite for FPV interceptors should be the ability to remotely detonate ammunition upon command from the ground. In the future, their design can be optimized, for example, in terms of increasing speed, taking into account the tasks being solved in hitting air targets.


FPV drone

Of course, as in the case of the Global Ear system, as well as the Outpost-S UAV, the development and production of FRU interceptors should be carried out with the maximum use of commercial components - minimum cost, maximum speed and production volumes.

Like the Avanpost-S UAV, FPV interceptors can be based either on stationary, prepared objects, with equipped posts for operators, or on mobile platforms, which can be moved to a given position as needed, on transport trucks, with places for operators , equipment, ammunition and FPV drones.

The algorithm for using FPV interceptors is quite simple - initially, a certain number of FPV interceptors are “on duty”. It can be assumed that the optimal solution would be to place them directly at charging stations. When receiving a notification about the approach of an enemy kamikaze UAV from the “Global Ear”, the operators lift the duty group of FPV interceptors into the air and move them towards the targets, following the instructions of the operator-observers of the Avanpost-S UAV, then everything will depend on the skill of the FPV operators -interceptors.

Conclusions


Oil depots are burning - it is impossible to hide this, other “incidents” happen, their number will only increase over time. We still haven't turned off the lights in Ukraine, which means that they will collect more and more kamikaze UAVs, and at the same time unmanned kamikaze boats (BEC). In addition, direct supplies of these weapons by Western countries cannot be ruled out.


Oil depots will burn if we do not take emergency measures. Image of the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations

As we said above, the proposed solution is unlikely to be effective against cruise missiles, but it can be more than effective against long-range kamikaze UAVs, and this is very, very important, because if we knock out the kamikaze UAVs from the enemy using the proposed measures long range, then “traditional” air defense systems can focus on cruise and operational-tactical missiles without wasting their “attention” and ammunition on kamikaze UAVs.

Russia is facing an unprecedented number of enemy air strikes against targets located on the territory of our country, with a significant portion of the strikes being carried out by Ukraine using long-range kamikaze UAVs.

The proposed solution in the form of the Global Ear primary detection system, Avanpost-S observer UAVs and FPV interceptors is relatively simple, inexpensive and easily scalable.

Despite the fact that all previously discussed components can be used autonomously, they will show maximum effectiveness when working together within the framework of a unified territorial air defense (TAD) system used by both military and civilian structures. In the next article we will talk about the possible composition of a territorial air defense system made on the basis of the solutions discussed above, scenarios for the use of such a system, the expected cost of its deployment, the possibility and feasibility of use by military and civilian structures.
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  1. 0
    26 June 2024 05: 22
    Previously, there was a lot of talk about drone mines, which should be installed in the air and stand there waiting for the arrival of enemy drones. That's why they're keeping quiet about it now. What's happened?
    1. +1
      28 July 2024 17: 27
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      which should be installed in the air and stand there awaiting the arrival of enemy drones

      We did not find suitable fastenings to attach them to the air. Apparently, as a result of the tests, they learned that mine drones could not hover endlessly in the air and wait for something to arrive.
      1. 0
        3 August 2024 20: 01
        We did not find suitable fastenings to attach them to the air.

        One end of the wire to the drone, the other into the socket and will hang as long as there is current in the socket
  2. +4
    26 June 2024 05: 36
    Cover cell towers with sensors... Coverage throughout Russia...
  3. +5
    26 June 2024 05: 50
    While our people are wondering what to do, the enemies are not sleeping. My son sent this from Zaporozhye yesterday:
    The Kaklov reconnaissance has generally worked well, recently, and the frequencies have changed, we can’t even jam them when they fly, but they immediately attack us with electronic warfare
  4. +1
    26 June 2024 06: 19
    Why fpv interceptors, why not homing?
    Where can I get a hundred or two or a third of operators, and they will be needed only when repelling an attack, and the rest of the time they will simply wipe their pants on duty. And for duty to be continuous, the number must be multiplied by two or even four.
    1. KCA
      +1
      26 June 2024 06: 42
      All Strategic Missile Forces servicemen sit and do nothing, with the exception of a couple of launches a year at the Kura training ground, an FPV drone is a first person view, first-person view, what kind of homing?
      1. +2
        26 June 2024 07: 35
        Obviously, in a couple of months, drones with machine vision will begin to fly in and fly by, and no human operators will intercept this. On Raspberi and similar single-board platforms, drones with machine vision have been on YouTube for a long time, and it’s only a matter of time before they are adapted to detect people “in about that square over there” with the removal of everything that is warm and “a person with a probability of 80+℅”. The machine doesn’t need time to assess the situation; it won’t circle around those trees over there, wondering where it’s best to hit. Processes in the machine are almost instantaneous according to the program. Yes, if not AI, then Starlink is also moving towards the miniaturization of ground-based antennas. First it will of course appear at the front. Electronic warfare will become useless.
        So the answer can only be a system of interceptor drones under the control of AI, tied to a powerful computer and optical and infrared sensors, as well as stationary turrets under the control of AI, which, unlike people, will hit targets
    2. -1
      28 July 2024 17: 30
      Quote: VicktorVR
      why fpv interceptors, why not homing?

      For homing you need a fairly powerful compact computer. Recently there was an article on this topic. Ukrov has no problems with the supply of such devices and is gradually creating homing drones.
  5. +8
    26 June 2024 07: 19
    Russia faces an unprecedented number of enemy air strikes

    There was a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Karabakh, there was and continues an operation in Syria, parallel events took place in Libya and drones were actively used everywhere. Did our leadership of the Defense Ministry and the General Staff really not have enough time to thoroughly analyze all this and draw at least some conclusions?
    1. -1
      26 June 2024 08: 04
      So massively - as far as I understand, they are being used for the first time... And the UAVs there were completely different.
      1. +3
        26 June 2024 10: 40
        The UAVs there were completely different

        Yes, completely different, but they also successfully entered the air defense area of ​​responsibility and even attacked from the base. Everything is the same as a carbon copy...
    2. +2
      26 June 2024 08: 29
      Did our leadership of the Defense Ministry and the General Staff really not have enough time to thoroughly analyze all this and draw at least some conclusions?

      unfortunately, there is no one there to do this, they are busy with other things
    3. +1
      26 June 2024 18: 32
      Since 2020, the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff have been planning a military defense, which had three points - strikes with calibers, a march to Kyiv, a parade. How many hundreds of people planned these few words? And to deal with drones it will take one hundred thousand generals
    4. 0
      17 September 2024 16: 00
      The leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff spent this time on tasks like "what else to f..." and what else to "saw up" in the company of their "pocket R&D developers")))!
  6. -1
    26 June 2024 07: 36
    The problem of protecting refineries is not technical.

    The main question is - from what part of the budget to finance the protection of private factories, if such financing was not planned? That is, from whom to take it - from the military, teachers or doctors? Or to force the owners to pay - but this can lead to the fact that production will become unprofitable and they will simply close the factories, which is equivalent to their destruction. Or fuel will become more expensive, and we will pay, and after fuel, everything else will become more expensive due to the increase in cost.
    1. +5
      26 June 2024 08: 33
      The problem of protecting refineries is not technical.

      yes, but this is the “concern” of the state
      and how it should implement this is also a state matter...
      Another question is that during the SVO, the number of dollar millionaires has grown obscenely, and the people are collecting bits and pieces for the “army”
      as General Shamanov said in the State Duma: “this is not an army, but a partisan detachment - if the people provide it with their money”
      1. 0
        26 June 2024 10: 05
        Quote: Dedok
        The problem of protecting refineries is not technical.

        yes, but this is the “concern” of the state
        and how it should implement this is also a state matter...
        Another question is that during the SVO, the number of dollar millionaires has grown obscenely, and the people are collecting bits and pieces for the “army”
        as General Shamanov said in the State Duma: “this is not an army, but a partisan detachment - if the people provide it with their money”


        It is not a fact that the protection of property is the responsibility of the state in any case. Far from a fact. I am not sure that if my house is destroyed by a missile - either enemy or ours - I will be paid compensation. If the house is insured and the case is insurance, then these will be questions for the insurance company. If you are not insured, the state can help, but is not obligated to do so.

        You should not think in terms of a national socialist state.
        1. +2
          26 June 2024 10: 07
          It's not a fact that property protection - State responsibility in any case.

          I was talking about protection of everything on the territory of the warring state, regardless of the form of ownership
          if a state enters a war, this is its area of ​​responsibility, these are its decisions...
          1. -1
            26 June 2024 12: 44
            “if a state has entered into a war, this is its area of ​​responsibility, these are its decisions...”

            He will protect, but in case of failure he will not respond.
        2. -2
          28 July 2024 17: 35
          Quote: S.Z.
          I am not sure that if my house is destroyed by a missile - either enemy or ours - I will be paid compensation. If the house is insured and the case is insurance, then these will be questions for the insurance company. If you are not insured, the state can help, but is not obligated to do so.

          Holy shit!)) The state is responsible for security, for military operations and their consequences. You are confusing it with natural disasters.
    2. -3
      26 June 2024 08: 50
      If your house catches fire, will you put it out yourself before the firefighters arrive? Or you wait for a fire truck, then you go to the insurance company, but the insurance company says it’s not an insured event (military actions in all standard contracts).
      Refineries mean huge profits and install pre-fabricated cheap mesh “domes” over the tanks, separating mobile/lifting/stationary fire barriers between the tanks. Put “inflatable pools” with defoaming compounds on the roofs of refineries? Will fat faces go broke from this? - no, they won’t become poor!
      1. -1
        26 June 2024 23: 06
        Novel_
        Today, 08: 50

        Refineries mean huge profits and install pre-fabricated cheap mesh “domes” over the tanks, separating mobile/lifting/stationary fire barriers between the tanks. Put “inflatable pools” with defoaming compounds on the roofs of refineries? Will fat faces go broke from this? - no, they won’t become poor!


        Fat faces
        Maybe they won’t go bankrupt, and they won’t become poor, but the nets and inflatable pools on the roofs of the tanks will only be of much use. We need effective solutions outside the territory of refineries and oil storage facilities.
        1. 0
          27 June 2024 10: 14
          This is the decision for today, in half a year
          solutions outside the territory of refineries and oil storage facilities
          maybe they will be implemented, maybe not. Inflatable pools are a generalization; there are many fire extinguishing systems (a swimming pool is the simplest, thoughtless solution both in installation and in the method of application).
          That's why I gave the example of a fire engine - either we wait for the crayfish to whistle or we work with what we can implement.
          1. +1
            28 June 2024 01: 06
            Inflatable pools are a generalization; there are many fire extinguishing systems (a swimming pool is the simplest, thoughtless solution both in installation and in the method of application).
            That’s why I gave the example of a fire truck - either we wait for the cancer to whistle or we work with what we can implement.


            Automatic fire extinguishing systems are installed at all refinery facilities; without this, not a single tank will be accepted for operation and are regularly checked. Soldiers and air defense systems, MANPADS, etc., will destroy tank farms and refineries themselves faster than UAVs. One day, on New Year's Eve, a drunken woman was caught on the territory of a tank farm. She collected twigs and was going to light a fire to keep warm.
      2. -1
        28 July 2024 18: 04
        So now we are talking about drones with very limited warhead capabilities. And in my opinion, you can come up with something from low-speed drones if you want. Warning stations should be located at a large distance from the refinery. But what to do when the Ukrainians start firing missiles and not necessarily Western ones, but products of their own military-industrial complex. A cassette missile attack can not only damage a refinery, but simply demolish it. They have already created and tested missile systems with a range of up to 1000 km, but due to chaos and corruption they did not take off. As far as I know, they returned to this topic back in 2022, and it’s no secret that Ukraine is not the last country in missile technology and they are definitely capable of creating such complexes. We are talking about the Vilkha-M missile systems, as well as the Vilkha-R, monoblock and cassette warheads. By the way, these complexes have been successfully tested and, in principle, are ready for production and there is no guarantee that they are not being stamped somewhere and are not being hoarded for mass use. The Neptune missile range up to 300 km is already in service and has been used in the Northern Military District.
    3. -1
      26 June 2024 14: 28
      The fact that you do not know how such problems are solved does not mean that such problems are insoluble in principle. Industrial facilities and buildings can be assigned a certain category in terms of protection against air attack and civil defense. And for this category of building or object, certain mandatory measures and elements of protection, similar to fire safety and civil defense measures, can be compared and prescribed.
      For example, refineries, oil depots, railway stations and other facilities may be required to have building roofs with reinforced asphalt floors that can be adapted to accommodate air defense systems.
  7. +4
    26 June 2024 08: 27
    Equipment lifting system "Quazimast" of the Kalashnikov concern of the state corporation ROSTECH

    and only Rostec can receive money for these projects?
    and without him?
    Kak.lov has a lot of people doing this, money is given centrally for this, the characteristics are different: and our electronic warfare does not keep up with them
  8. +2
    26 June 2024 09: 44
    But you can’t just install a cellular communication tower, install permanent optics (of any size and quantity) and hang AFAR or PFAR panels on four sides (three) ... and any other sensors.
    And tie it to air defense systems? And, it is desirable to bring it into a network (different towers).
    1. -1
      26 June 2024 14: 35
      I really support it. But detection tools alone are not enough. Somewhere it is necessary to place “Shells” and install machine-gun and grenade launcher DBMs.
      That is, roughly speaking, the railway station should have an upper floor for crews of air defense systems in wartime. There should be a ZU-23-2 on the roof, and below it on the top floor there should be a barracks and a Lenin room. And in peacetime there should be a ballroom dancing club and a club for young railway workers.
      1. -1
        26 June 2024 15: 08
        What does this have to do with it? There is an oil refinery, it is being attacked by scumbags using drones. They installed a tower with sensors, attached SAMs and 23mm anti-aircraft guns to trucks... and they work. The scumbags calmed down (or they were all drowned in blood), removed the sensors, and disbanded the SAMs. The tower remained (you can hang some lamps)
        1. 0
          26 June 2024 17: 37
          Will the ZU-23-2 on your truck be ready in the field around the clock? Or maybe the installation will be transported to the site through city traffic jams? But the installation itself won’t have to be guarded? What will the firing angle of the adjusted installation be?
          If it is stationary on the roof, then there is no need to guard anything and the crew can go to the toilet and eat without any problems. And from the roof the firing range will be many times larger than from the ground.
          The level of blindness and misunderstanding is sometimes simply amazing.
          1. -1
            27 June 2024 08: 59
            Well, there is no point in putting it on a petrol station. But does it make sense for an oil refinery? The question here is about money and the distance from the borders of 404. For example, let's take my native Krasnodar Krai. Half of the export of oil products comes from southern ports.
            1. -1
              27 June 2024 10: 04
              In what money? Is it really that expensive to build a parking lot or a college campus with a reinforced roof and asphalt surface on it? High-rise buildings with helipads on the roofs are made and no questions arise. Even we have such an office-residential 25-story high-rise. And it’s not that expensive to build a separate specialized concrete air defense tower.
              1. -1
                27 June 2024 10: 28
                What does this have to do with it? Are you going to make all buildings protected from drones?
                I wrote about the oil refinery. You can't protect it with parking.
                1. -1
                  27 June 2024 10: 39
                  Why suddenly such a profound conclusion that a refinery cannot be protected by parking? There are vacant lots or even park areas in front of the refinery, and this is where multi-storey parking lots of 5-7 floors can be built, where the upper floors and roof can be adapted to the needs of air defense.
                  Or do you absolutely have to post a map indicating possible locations of air defense systems? I can do that too. But what's the point if you prefer to throw around theses about all buildings being protected from drones? Why all buildings? It is clear, for example, that a three-story school or a kindergarten are obviously unsuitable for this. But a railway station, a train depot, a student campus or a car park simply must have in their composition, but not protection from drones, but rooftop areas for detection and protection systems.
                  Underground structures in the form of bomb shelters are many times more expensive than strong asphalt roofs, but here we don’t hear any objections from you about the high cost and about each building.
                  1. -1
                    27 June 2024 10: 50
                    A refinery is a dangerous industrial production... both from explosions and fires, and chemically. And there are certain standards about what should be there and at what distance. Plus, a refinery is a bunch of units located in space... this is not a compact production.
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          2. 0
            17 September 2024 16: 07
            As for remote modules, they are carried around in packs at all sorts of exhibitions
            but how does it work with SERIAL PRODUCTION?
            I think that they make "a little bit of it" because ALL the electronics are imported, smuggled in, through "third parties")))!
            1. -1
              6 October 2024 09: 34
              Why are you looking for problems where there are none? The developers of the module based on the ZU-23-2 installation clearly stated on what electronic base their sample was made. It is impossible to even impose sanctions on this, these are such mass-produced and at the same time morally obsolete components.
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    2. 0
      26 June 2024 21: 00
      Can. But ☝️☝️☝️ you can imagine the volumes, but can you imagine what kind of money??? Yes, Timurka with the boss and SO° will immediately appear there.
      1. -1
        27 June 2024 09: 00
        Well, there is an object, the price of its restoration and the cost of protection.
    3. -1
      28 July 2024 18: 11
      We must prepare for missile attacks, drones are now a reality. Ukraine has fairly modern missile systems such as Olkha up to 1000 km and Neptune up to 300 km. There is no guarantee that they are no longer being produced or stockpiled for a massive strike, as was the case with BECs.
  9. +1
    26 June 2024 10: 06
    Quote: Roman_
    If your house catches fire, will you put it out yourself before the firefighters arrive?

    There will be a house, but a warehouse.... Not a fact, sometimes it’s easier to wait until it burns down without a trace and get insurance :)
    1. -1
      27 June 2024 10: 29
      If it caught fire, yes, but what if ammunition fell into it and caught fire? Need to be saved
  10. +2
    26 June 2024 10: 22
    "At missiles and anti-missiles, anti-anti-missiles rushed..." (C)
  11. +2
    26 June 2024 14: 47
    I must note the author's confusion regarding the use of detection tools.
    It makes sense to use observation UAVs in the front-line zone and in the zone 100 km from the combat line. Where stationary weapons can be destroyed by MLRS and other enemy fire weapons.
    And if you plan to protect refineries and oil depots deep in the territory, then you need stationary posts. Posts where there is electricity, access for repair and maintenance. There is no point in keeping drones suspended on wires where you can install a high mast or use existing high-rise buildings.
  12. 0
    26 June 2024 18: 12
    For the salary of one motorized rifle platoon you can make high-quality software even for existing hardware. But the de-ils from the Moscow Region still don’t itch.
    .
    But seriously, for the Ministry of Defense and the Design Bureau, drones are a cash-strapped and uninteresting area. Well, how can you consider a task serious, where 40 million dollars is enough to win, but there is a lot of work. Our people like work to cost a penny and funding to cost a ruble. And they are pushing bullshit: for the same ground drones you can only shoot...
    There is only one way out - to create a special design bureau, where young people who are not snickering will do the work necessary for the Motherland. Although any oligarch can finance it, work with weapons, clearances, and secret information are only under the wing of the state.
    .
    Don’t think that tomorrow the SVO will end and nothing will be needed. The Finnish one is always followed by the domestic one. If drones don’t make it in time for this war, they will be useful in the next one.
  13. -1
    26 June 2024 19: 28
    Why not use barrage balloons to cover particularly important objects?
    It will be both simpler and more reliable
  14. DO
    0
    26 June 2024 21: 44
    Depending on the carrying capacity of the UAV carrier, a small-sized radar station (radar) can potentially be placed on it - some radar models weigh less than a hundred kilograms, which is quite acceptable for certain quadrocopter (octacopter/hexacopter) type agrodrones. To reduce the weight of the radar, you can not rotate it

    To lift the radar to the length of the power supply and control cable, wouldn’t it be easier to use a tethered balloon with a greater carrying capacity? For a balloon radar, there will be no need to trim its functionality, which would reduce the weight of the radar.

    FPV interceptors

    The author does not disclose what means of destroying drones should be used on FPV interceptors. Net launchers? Shotguns? Self-guided mini-missiles? Non-detachable shrapnel grenades on FPV-interceptors-kamikazes?
  15. DO
    0
    26 June 2024 22: 42
    Quote: Zaurbek
    But you can’t just install a cellular communication tower, install permanent optics (of any size and quantity) and hang AFAR or PFAR panels on four sides (three) ... and any other sensors.

    Each protected object requires its own solution, its own individual project for protection against drones.
    If there are towers and/or roofs of high-rise buildings around the object where sensors for detecting enemy drones can be placed, of course you need to do so.
    But if there is none of this, the only solution left is to find patches of land and place equipment and tethered reconnaissance drones or balloons on them. And organize security - both anti-drone systems and the facility itself, from the DRG.
    1. DO
      0
      26 June 2024 23: 04
      PS A tethered balloon can have a tether cable up to 2 kilometers high.
      There are no towers that tall.
      And the higher the radar is hung, the farther you can see from it.
      1. -2
        27 June 2024 10: 11
        You don’t know what the wind is like in Rostov and Volgograd, and even more so in Novorossiysk. The first hurricane will carry away the balloon along with its equipment, you will be tortured to catch it. Balloons also have disadvantages.
        And, moreover, it is unlikely that you need to rise more than 25-50 meters to detect drones. This is not identical to the tasks of AWACS; the S-300 missile is not launched at small drones.
      2. 0
        27 June 2024 11: 28
        But the Aerostat is limited by the weight of the load and the supply of the required energy, and the Tower is NOT. And towers can be stuck in like cell phones...they stand and don't ask for food.
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    26 June 2024 22: 54
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    Detection tools alone are not enough. Somewhere it is necessary to place “Shells” and install machine-gun and grenade launcher DBMs.

    Yes, sure. If there is where.
    And if not? For example, you can’t install a Shell at a street intersection, and traffic won’t be able to get through. And not all house roofs are flat, suitable for installing shooters. Putting the Shell in the garden is also not good, it will crush the beds.
    Therefore, if there is nowhere to install the conventional Pantsir, FPV interceptors based on the protected object remain.
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      27 June 2024 10: 17
      The construction process is dynamic. New buildings are being erected constantly. Therefore, flat or partially flat roofs with asphalt should be included in the standards now. To have somewhere to place both detection equipment and air defense installations. There's plenty of room for helipads on rooftops, but can't they be adapted for the Pantsir?
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    27 June 2024 11: 26
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    You don’t know what the wind is like in Rostov and Volgograd, and even more so in Novorossiysk. The first hurricane will carry away the balloon along with its equipment

    When designing, it is necessary to take into account weather statistics as well. A hurricane can tear off a tethered balloon, a tethered copter, knock down a tower, and blow unsecured equipment off a roof. I remember the aftermath of a hurricane that I observed many years ago from a train. Pines were broken in half like matchsticks, houses stood without roofs. However, I don’t remember such hurricanes since then.
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    27 June 2024 11: 40
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    Flat or partially flat roofs with asphalt should be included in the standards now. To have somewhere to place both detection equipment and air defense installations.

    Enemy drones are already flying at Russian targets. Urgent measures are needed to protect Russian infrastructure here and now. And in a few years they will most likely be implemented. For example, some time after the Great Patriotic War, many roads in the USSR were deliberately designed to be winding, so that it would be more difficult for hypothetical enemy aircraft to target vehicles.
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      27 June 2024 11: 52
      The conflict has been going on for two years now. During this time, many high-rise and not so high-rise buildings have been built and will be built. So, changes to building codes and modernization of the civil defense system should be made immediately. The familiar bomb shelters are and were many times more expensive than reinforced and asphalt-covered roofs. Bomb shelters and underground command posts are also sometimes flooded by groundwater. Approaches to defense, including civil defense, should be reviewed taking into account changing threats.
      There is nothing complicated about obliging some types of buildings and structures to be built with partially or fully reinforced roofs, and urban high-rise buildings, for example, 25 floors and above, to be built with helipads or roofs for the possible placement of air defense systems.
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    27 June 2024 11: 50
    Quote: Zaurbek
    The balloon is limited by the weight of the load and the supply of the required energy, but the Tower is NOT.

    Yes, in theory this is true. But in order to make an informed choice, it is necessary to work out at least preliminary design options for specific objects.
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    27 June 2024 12: 06
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    It’s unlikely that you need to rise more than 25-50 meters to detect drones

    This statement of yours is not obvious. Because the further an enemy drone is detected, the easier it is to organize its destruction.
    The answer here can be given by calculations, modeling and practice.
    From practice, there is the concept of layered air defense, when various types of detection and destruction means, united by a communication network and computers, harmoniously complement each other.
  21. 0
    27 June 2024 19: 43
    “So the answer can only be an AI-controlled system of interceptor drones.”
    In response, the attack of kamikaze drones will be covered by fighter drones. During the Second World War, this practice was already practiced.
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      23 July 2024 08: 25
      It should be borne in mind that even with the use of AI, guiding an FPV interceptor to a small flying drone is orders of magnitude more difficult than guiding a regular drone to a stationary object on the ground. It will require detection systems, operators, and the interceptors themselves, and all for the sake of which, in order to drop an enemy drone somewhere along the route, since it does not pose any danger to the refinery for kilometers, the drone that is dangerous is the one that has already approached to a distance of 100-150 m, so it is this one that must be fought.
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    8 August 2024 12: 03
    Quote: Luminman
    Russia faces an unprecedented number of enemy air strikes

    There was a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Karabakh, there was and continues an operation in Syria, parallel events took place in Libya and drones were actively used everywhere. Did our leadership of the Defense Ministry and the General Staff really not have enough time to thoroughly analyze all this and draw at least some conclusions?

    A bad dancer (or a deliberate saboteur?) has nothing in his way.
    Iran realized that the time for drones had come in 1991 after their first massive use during Desert Storm, as did many other countries like Turkey.
    After 2012 and the spectacular destruction of an oil refinery protected by the world's most expensive Patriot air defense system, it became clear to everyone that the future does not lie in big and expensive Raptors, but in drones made of shit and sticks.
    However, Global Hawks uses $200 million against us just as super effectively.
  23. -1
    21 August 2024 08: 41
    In the Northern Military District, FPV drones have already successfully intercepted Ukrainian agrodrones of the Baba Yaga type, so why not adopt this experience for the defense of important objects in the rear?!
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    10 October 2024 09: 30
    Why place surveillance devices on copters?
    The entire territory of Russia, at least the European part, is "studded" with cell towers, and it is on them that airspace control systems, optical, thermal imaging, UV...range, sound... need to be mounted.
    The towers have a stable backup power supply, and it is possible to organize the transmission of data from the tracking devices to the central control panel of the regional operator via mobile networks, which will be connected to the regional air defense system...
    Cell phone towers can also be equipped with cassettes containing drone hunters that can be launched to intercept enemy drones.