Reap sowed Gorbachev?

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Reap sowed Gorbachev?On this, with your permission, the analysis prompted me to read only comments on some articles posted on the "Military Review". And echoes can be found almost in every second.

What's the point? It's about criticism and evaluation historical events of the past. On the example of the article "A Millennium of the Fight Against the Evil of the" European Choice ", articles about Stalin, and a bunch of them.

It seems to me that so indiscriminately assess their past can not. Unfortunately, the seeds thrown by Gorbachev in the form of "publicity" and "restructuring" gave their abundant shoots. Publicity - it was generally something, everything was relatively good, then suddenly at one moment it became bad. And everyone on this wave rushed to expose everything and everyone. And everything became madly bad. Many here remember those times, spat themselves, to put it mildly, with ecstasy. Enjoying what a crap we are. However, let's look a little deeper.

The ancient Romans had the following legal term: “Qui bono?”, That is, “Who benefits?”. Who would benefit that we ourselves put ourselves sirohymi, beggars and squalid? Who would benefit from bowing to the so-called "humanitarian aid"? I was involved in work with this case, I saw what was coming from Europe and the States. And he was well aware that Russia was being held in the trash by everyone except the Germans. But for them at all a separate conversation.

Everyone in the world (well, with rare exceptions) is satisfied only by one Russia — humiliated, weak, repentant of all sins. From which it is possible to pump oil, gas, to transport wood, in which it is possible to bury radioactive waste on the cheap, the list is long. But a strong Russia, sending all the tries for the sake of its interests, and, moreover, it could threaten (as in Khrushchev’s time, yes) - to no one.

An interesting moment is created: it seems that the leadership is keeping such a course - we will become strong, powerful, the 90's mess is going to be in the past, and so on. Urya, approve. But: generations have grown that have not seen the power and might of the USSR, but they have perfectly seen the ruin and robbery throughout the country. Who believe in the power of the West, which drive Western ideals. Internet, TV - all at the service, eat, do not wear your hair. Shoot? Plant? To send? NOT!!! You need to WORK with them !!!

Tear up what Gorbachev implanted with roots, fill in the informpola with napalm. Figuratively, of course, but here I come to the point.

It is necessary to fundamentally restructure the approach to historical assessment. Why, behind the scenes, is it customary to see only nasty and bad things in our past?

A quote from the comments to the “millennium”: “Peter is an apostate from the Russian path. Although the first Russian emperor. Under Ivan Vasilyevich the Terrible, Russia did not copy the west, went its own way, although it also hired military advisers and so on in the west. Ivan claimed to marry the queen of a powerful country. Who did Peter marry? On Estonian slut! (we don’t take the first wife at all because there wasn’t a marriage, but a politician and not Peter, but his boyars). Did Peter curb the boyars? no, before him did the same Ivan IV. But Peter became famous as a true European - ranging from persecution of wide sections of his own population (for example, Old Believers) and ending with the murder of his own children. ”
Drain the water? Or more?

“Petrusha didn’t invent anything new, except for the most potent cathedral with Pope Zotov. Ivan 4, whom modern historians have called the Terrible, has established a regular army and artillery. Architects from Italy worked in Russia and in the Kremlin, in particular, when Petit was not even in the form of spermatazoid. In German, I'm not talking about Polish, clothes were dressed at home by his father Alexei. Yes, and the reforms of “Peter” began not Peter, but his elder brother Fedor, Sophia continued. But whoever reformed the church to the Aglitsky manir - exactly Petya, abolished the patriarchate and appointed himself the head of the church, the ministry began to deal with church matters, he also took communion in the Anglican church, a fact known since his European voyage. Yes, and drove the development of the country with a whip, so much so that even the associates of Peter considered it reasonably calm the evolutionary development of the country under his sister Sophia ”.

That's the attitude. I will put a certain boundary, precisely on Gorbachev. If it is good to look at the articles, then all before him (and including it) were none. Oh, about Nicholas II, Lenin and Stalin keep silent so that no sound at all. In order not to cause another srach.

What am I for? But to what. If everyone was none, how did we end up here and now? Or maybe it is worth looking not only at the negative moments, but also at the positive ones? Why does the whole world see only positive moments in its past, and treats negative ones as “temporary excesses and mistakes,” and we all have only these errors? Peter the Great didn’t really do anything, the Romanovs almost all the parasites, Stalin didn’t build the country, but just sat and thought about who else to plant / shoot ... Yes, of course we will raise conscious and patriotic generations at that rate. 100%. Peter 400 years ago, the Swedes bought land for gold on the coast - oh, reptile! And so he saw 400 years ago, he desperately needed this coast, maybe. Well I do not ask, when Khrushchev Crimea conveyed to the Ukrainian SSR, what did he need? And I do not ask what was necessary for the transfer to the Norwegian shelf of oil? They, too, had such a vision. But do not equalize 17 and 21 century, oh, not worth it.

Look at the States: any, I emphasize, any president is a hero and for America by the mountain. Well, who is not really a hero - that’s what the bullet was, but it happens, it’s so ... But the rule “On the dead is either good or nothing” is clearly observed. And we have the opposite, about the dead or nothing (good), or dirt. Moreover, no longer buckets. Tanks. Who benefits? WHOM ???

This is not so, dear ones. It is impossible. History is a very delicate matter, easy to rewrite. It is easy to drive into the minds of immature that for centuries Russians were blue-legged fools with balalaikas and bears. Knocking out is harder. Because the first one needs IM (and their name is legion), and the second we need. There are definitely less of us, but truly Russian hell when the number scared. And here I am counting on this.

You can't spit on your own story. Many are asking now, who, like to believe? They taught one, then another, now the fifth ... True, but this is the essence of the tool of history. Twirl all and sundry. Answering (if not they asked me, well, okay) personally from myself to such a question, I would say this: you need to believe those who say that Russia, the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation were, are and will be great. And prove it with all their might. And everyone, especially those who come from there, to all these speculations and tales, should be given only one answer: “It's not your business!”.

I will give an example from my life. She brought me on business to the small town of Dénia in Spain. At the weekend, we suffered a pure wander, monuments to see the fortress, again (well, there is a fortress in every self-respecting city, there is no fortress - not a city). We walk, we look at the monuments, we take pictures of them at Cervantes, we look - another man stands, the same times, judging by the clothes. Match - both on! Philip the Second ... Well, we reacted calmly to this with the translator, for we don’t know much about him. But our third associate, he graduated from the Moscow State University faculty, wound up a little. Well, we through a translator turned to a local grandfather, sat nearby, puffed on a cigar. Well, Lech to his grandfather, why is there a monument to such a bloodsucker? Grandfather replies:
- Yes, this is King Philip, he ordered a fortress and a city to be founded here ...
- So he was a tyrant, how many people rot, how do you put him monuments?
- And we didn’t put it ... It was set three hundred years ago, and it’s worth it ... And where are you guys from?
- Yes, we are from Russia ...
Grandfather puffed his cigar, then asked:
- Listen, Alejandro, did he even touch one Russian with a finger?
- It seems not ... - Lech already confused.
- Well, what are you then? We'll figure it out by ourselves, who should put monuments, who should be filmed ... Well, the despot was, well, the tyrant ... but he was driving along the shore, he did not like what was empty on the line, ordered, where he spat, put the fortress ... That's worth it. You have it there, they take it off, then they put it, but here everything is quiet here ...

Wise was a Spanish grandfather, do not say anything. You will remove the monument today, and the day after tomorrow you will have to put it again. So let it stand, who hinders? We treated Grandfather Alonso to coffee (as it should be), chatted about anything else (he had a brother in the Blue Division, but God had mercy, returned home after being wounded) and went on.

Probably worth it and we become like. And do not moan on the topic, what was the tyrant Peter and what was the tyrant Joseph. And more often and louder to talk about what useful they have done for the country. That is patriotism. And spitting up their history in the guise of truthfulness is anything but love for one’s country. This is an attempt to gain cheap authority in the style of Gorbachev. He won it himself, his vowel verbiage. Where? In Russia? Is he honored and respected here in his homeland? Hmm, it seems no. Rather the opposite. And, in the West ... Well, of course.

Our story obviously needs to be rewritten again. And not to please those who make money on it, but for the sake of those who will begin to study it (or pass, as they say in schools) in the near future. It is necessary for them to drive into their heads since childhood, that our country has always been great and powerful, that those who ruled for it, to the best of their ability and understanding, committed acts to the glory of Russia, to study precisely these acts. Then surely there will be no problems with patriotism. And when young Russians will not have a shadow of doubt about which country is the most-most, when it will be possible to shake faces with the word “rashka”, then, probably, those who really love this country will be able to breathe easy.
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  1. +16
    21 February 2013 05: 47
    Why didn’t they crush him under the combine? Everything could have been much better.
    1. +4
      21 February 2013 06: 06
      under this combine and those who were involved in what was happening and created the preconditions for his coming into power. Is it true?
      1. +11
        21 February 2013 08: 59
        The most amazing thing is that this "Combine" walked through the people, so that the hair stands on end. Let's look at Gorbachev's actions from the other side. How many people died in the former republics of the USSR (drunkenness, banditry, drugs) from their actions (or rather inaction) I knew many who, thanks to perestroika, were unable to rebuild to a new life, began to drink, who died from drunken desolation, but who still drinks , and they curse him, because before his arrival they had a job, and a perspective into the future, And it's just that many could do nothing but their own work. And how many people were not born from his actions? Well, how much did his actions throw Russia back, and demographics? Referendum of the people and their trial. am
      2. -1
        21 February 2013 10: 38
        Quote: Gleb
        under this combine and those who were involved in what was happening and created the preconditions for his coming into power. Is it true?

        And this is Andropov and his sales team.
        1. 0
          21 February 2013 15: 54
          Quote: selbrat
          And this is Andropov and his sales team.

          Excuse me, but what is your age at that time?
          1. 0
            21 February 2013 18: 01
            Well, about 15 years old then I was. And what are your doubts. Andropov moved Gorbachev. And how did it end?
            1. +2
              21 February 2013 18: 54
              And minus friends Michal Sergeich, as I understand it. laughing
              1. 0
                21 February 2013 20: 32
                Quote: selbrat
                friends of Michal Sergeich

                Rather, friends of Yuri Vladimirovich.
                wink
            2. 0
              21 February 2013 20: 41
              Quote: selbrat
              Well, about 15 years old then I was.

              It is clear that what happened under him in the state means passed by you.
              Quote: selbrat
              Andropov moved Gorbachev. And how did it end?

              You still say _ Operation receiver / heir carried out!
              I will not touch on personnel issues of movements of that time, just think about one thing _ A person can be an ideal performer, but a commander. Where, what goes ... Such a change of direction!
        2. 0
          21 February 2013 18: 01
          Well, about 15 years old then I was. And what are your doubts. Andropov moved Gorbachev. And how did it end?
        3. luka
          0
          2 March 2013 01: 42
          And this is Andropov and his sales team.


          Andropov was a strong personality.
    2. +9
      21 February 2013 06: 32
      The author is Roma, and who spits on history? Spit on deeds or outright betrayal of certain persons. Gorbachev, yes, he is the history of our country, but that does not mean that his "exploits" should be hushed up.
      Yeltsin, here is a "hero" so "a hero! Putin erected a monument to him, but the question for what? Ask anyone on the website, no one understands. There is a history of the country, and there is a history of individuals, and you took everything in a bunch request
      1. +6
        21 February 2013 06: 50
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeltsin, here is a "hero" so "a hero! Putin erected a monument to him, but the question for what? Ask anyone on the website, no one understands.


        Good morning, Alexander! hi

        Why, in gratitude, for position President.
      2. +4
        21 February 2013 06: 52
        Roman, I welcome with pleasure, a colleague hi
        The article is wonderful, thanks! And a thoughtful presentation of thoughts and a brief digression into history and a decent share of beautiful humor!
        I especially liked two points

        Glasnost - it was generally something, then everything was relatively good, then suddenly it became bad at one moment. And everyone on this wave rushed to expose everything and everyone. And everything became insanely bad. Many here remember those times, spat on themselves, to put it mildly, with rapture. Enjoying the way we are
        This is a question that I myself have repeatedly asked on the forum, but I didn’t receive a clear answer from those to whom it was addressed, except for a demagogic chatter like -

        The author is Roma, and who spits on history? They spit on the actions or outright betrayal of certain persons. Gorbachev, yes, he is the history of our country, but this does not mean that we need to hush up his "exploits." Yeltsin, here is a "hero" so "a hero! Putin put a monument to him, but the question is why? Ask anyone on the website, no one understands .There is the history of the country, but there is the history of individuals, and you took everything in a bunch
        And the second moment -


        [b]Well, what are you then? We’ll figure it out for ourselves who should be erected monuments, who should take pictures ... Well, there was a tyrant, well, a tyrant ... but he was driving along the shore, he didn’t like what was empty on the line, he ordered, where he spat, he put up a fortress ... That’s worth it. It’s there, they’re removed, it’s put on, but here everything is quiet ... -

        This is already a targeted appeal to all sorts of McFalls and McCains and to those who like waving stakes, shouting - "He'll put it on a stake!" Is it possible that we encounter a latent form of pederasty's asset in such cases, colleagues, hearing such calls? belay
        Thanks, Roman for the article. Plus.
        I'm running to work. Not because verbal diarrhea from the aforementioned comrade will flow from now, but - it is urgent to work. laughing
        1. +1
          21 February 2013 06: 55
          Quote: esaul
          esaul



          Good morning Valera! hi let me know which one of the comrades did you mean ?!
          1. +2
            21 February 2013 07: 16
            Greetings Apollo hi
            Believe me, not you, colleague, but, to the most extent, whose words I quoted as a component of a demagogic chatter.
            To my pleasure, I saw in you a person who, if there are reliable and eloquent facts, is able to treat the opponent’s point of view with understanding and, not hiding behind a veil of pseudo-reflection, carry any nonsense.
            I had to go back to the site to answer your question, colleague. Now - all - I'm in a hurry ...
            Sincerely, Esaul.
            1. +1
              21 February 2013 07: 28
              Quote: esaul
              , to a very large extent, whose words I quoted as part of a demagogic chatter.

              Mr. Slogan, I’m very far away from you. You don’t get through in demagogy !!! And one more minus personally from me. They decided what to get in the morning.
            2. +5
              21 February 2013 10: 13
              Valery!
              Let’s take a look at each one, five fingers, and they are all different also here on the forum. Each has his own opinion and life position
              You know that I am a guest and I am not a citizen of Russia, therefore, in your comments I limited myself and the status of a moderator is even more so. You, like any person and citizen, have every right to opinions, thoughts and criticism including, even the most merciless. But, in your comment there is only one word, I frankly did not like it, you know which one. I ask not only you but everyone, to be tolerant and correct to each other.
        2. +2
          21 February 2013 07: 25
          Quote: esaul
          never received, except for a demagogic chatter like

          Yesaul, much more idle talk, demagogy and slogans, than nobody comes from you !!!
          Change your nickname to - Mr. Slogan, he will be more suitable for you.
          1. Uncle Serozha
            +3
            21 February 2013 07: 37
            Along with the question "We reap what Gorbachev sowed?", Another question arises: who sowed Gorbachev? Foreign intelligence? Gosdep? Let's admit.
            But here is the question: and where were we ???? Did we mean nothing in our own country? I personally believe that I also have a part of the responsibility for what happened then.
            1. +3
              21 February 2013 07: 58
              Quote: Uncle Seryozha
              But the question is: where were we?

              And at that time we believed in words, and now we judge by deeds hi
              1. +3
                21 February 2013 08: 33
                Quote:
                Alexander Romanov Today, 07:58 ↑ new 1
                And at that time we believed in words, and now we judge by deeds.

                ..
                At that time .. we didn’t believe in words, but evaluated more on matters.
                And now - we do not believe in words at all ... but CASE - no.
                Even worthwhile Criminals.
                What to evaluate?
                ...
                Even the "half-sluggish" beginning of the development of the military-industrial complex is still the INERTIA of the Soviet legacy. Not completely collapsed in 20 years.
                1. +1
                  21 February 2013 08: 56
                  Quote: Igarr
                  And at that time we believed in words, and now we judge by deeds

                  What kind of year are you talking about? What matters was Yeltsin elected in '91?
                  1. +2
                    21 February 2013 11: 21
                    Actually, I had in mind the period until 1985.
                    Before the beginning of this ... long-awaited perestroika and publicity.

                    Of course, there was euphoria. At first. When - talk whatever. "Anything that is not prohibited is permitted."
                    And just like that, I hope, remember ... quickly this chill went - from unbridled lies.
                    From instant demarcation - by involvement in the "feeding troughs".
                    From the instant appearance - "crimson jackets", bantitism.
                    ...
                    Rampant glasnost and the acquisition of sovereignty surprisingly coincided with the beginning of the coupon system, the era of "war communism" - when it was not necessary to work, but it was possible to tryndet ... at least all day.
                    ...
                    I remember something.
                    1. 0
                      21 February 2013 12: 17
                      Quote: Igarr

                      Actually, I had in mind the period until 1985.

                      Oops, I ask Predona hi
                  2. DYMITRY
                    0
                    21 February 2013 11: 21
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    What kind of year are you talking about? What matters was Yeltsin elected in '91?

                    He led the Sverdlovsk region very well. Perhaps this was his level.
                    1. 0
                      21 February 2013 18: 10
                      I was in Sverdlovsk during the reign of EBN. I couldn’t buy mineral water anywhere. And in the market there is a huge queue for smoked sausage of dubious origin.
              2. +3
                21 February 2013 08: 47
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And we at that time believed
                And now we are freaks for this with the letter "M"
              3. Uncle Serozha
                0
                21 February 2013 08: 48
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And at that time we believed in words, and now we judge by deeds

                Otozh! And each time I ask myself the question: what if one more such a spoken one appears? Again, let’s do it, or is there immunity already?
                1. +2
                  21 February 2013 08: 54
                  Quote: Uncle Seryozha
                  Again, let’s do it, or is there immunity already?

                  We’ll rather not behave, in the last election some candidates promised -I will come and take the Russian people to Paradise, the result scored less than one percent laughing
            2. +3
              21 February 2013 08: 44
              Quote: Uncle Seryozha
              I personally believe that I also have a part of the responsibility for what happened then

              And on me, at first I believed this ..., I really wanted the best. Yes, and this lied ...
              1. Uncle Serozha
                0
                21 February 2013 08: 51
                Quote: Denis
                And on me, at first I believed this ..., I really wanted the best. Yes, and this lied ...

                +1 Same stuff. I really wanted the best. Vladimir Semenych was a seer after all ...

                1. 0
                  21 February 2013 09: 04
                  Quote: Uncle Seryozha
                  Vladimir Semenych was a seer after all ...
                  Oh yeah!!! And why do schools conduct all kinds of kuynya, such as the lessons of tolerance, and do not learn HIS verses?
      3. predator.3
        +5
        21 February 2013 08: 36
        And the people immediately "noted" this monument! Well, not "earned" EBN for the monument!

        Good morning everybody ! smile
      4. +4
        21 February 2013 09: 21
        Sasha, I didn’t take Yeltsin at all ... And it seems like he wrote everything that he thought. can be evaluated in different ways.

        There is a history of the country, there is a history of individuals, and there is a history of individuals in the history of the country. On the contrary, everything is not on the heap, for the life story of the same Gorbachev is one thing, and his role in the history of the country is another.
        1. +3
          21 February 2013 09: 27
          Quote: Banshee
          for the life story of the same Gorbachev is one thing, and his role in the history of the country is another.

          It influenced the country, but I remember myself at that time and I can say-I both loved that time and now, and Gorbachev is a completely different story, he is not the history of our country. It is only part of the political history and if we spit on it doesn’t mean that we spit in the history of the country as a whole. I wrote a little tricky, but I think you’ll. hi
          1. +1
            21 February 2013 20: 41
            Well, spit in Gorbachev - that's fine. I’m not talking about him at all, I think that all the rubbish came from him.

            And so I am intelligent, yes. It seems so dull, but in fact - awesome! laughing

            hi
      5. Octavian avgust
        -1
        21 February 2013 11: 24
        Well, why would Putin? Putin has a mixed environment, and there are admirers of the GORBI cult! All sorts of Dvorkovichi, Livanov, Golodets, ....
      6. 0
        21 February 2013 16: 25
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ask anyone on the site, no one understands.

        I do not know .
        In my opinion a very good thing that set! And Gorby doesn’t interfere with the delivery!

        Do not forget! Do not forgive!

      7. +1
        22 February 2013 02: 10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Putin put a monument to him, but the question is for what?
        Everything is cloudy and muddy at times, a rare illogicality is visible. The monument, the Orthodox order of Judah, and what is worth the bust of the dog in St. Petersburg. Did they not understand how much they fell in people's eyes, bearing any ... at the opening?
    3. Yoshkin Kot
      -2
      21 February 2013 10: 14
      um, and spitting on Russian history began in 17, with its class approach justifying murders and robberies
      1. DYMITRY
        +1
        21 February 2013 11: 23
        Quote: Yoshkin Cat

        um, and spitting on Russian history began in 17, with its class approach justifying murders and robberies

        Much earlier it began, at least from the time of Peter the Great.
      2. Octavian avgust
        -1
        21 February 2013 11: 27
        No, it began with Rurik and continues to this day.
    4. Octavian avgust
      0
      21 February 2013 11: 20
      He's a puppet. He not only worked for the CIA, he could not even manage his wife, not to mention the country. Sub-heel was a faint, moral imbecile.
      1. 0
        21 February 2013 18: 16
        R, M always said: be proud, Misha, you sleep with the President’s wife.
        A unique case. The Secretary General and the President of the USSR have more FOREIGN awards than DOMESTIC awards. Urgently in the "Guinness Book of Records" - + another 30 pieces of silver.
    5. +3
      21 February 2013 12: 43
      Su..a! After him, in general, they began to treat Staropil as ... Okay, I will not say anything. So they hang honorary boards for him, "our Mishenka studied like that" - we need to hang a board of honor in his honor around his neck and in the Kuban from our railway bridge - there will be no options ... I don't spit on him (although no, I do) - in his place could have been anyone, but it was he and I blame him ... What good did he do? I can’t remember anything! Sorry for the emotions, a sore subject for me ...
    6. opkozak
      +2
      21 February 2013 14: 17
      I remembered when Brezhnev was buried, my mother was worried about how we would live on. I told her: "Yes, what are you, he was the old one with difficulty." - "We lived in peace." And so it began ... Now the CIS countries are run by people who grew up under Brezhnev, they understand Gorbachev's mistakes, and I hope they will not be repeated, given the experience of previous leaders.
  2. +8
    21 February 2013 06: 19
    Personally, I also remember the President of the USSR by the fact that he could talk for hours, everybody listened to him with delight, saying that everything was right, that it was the way it was, and that it had to be done, and after the talk no one understood what was being said.
    1. vilenich
      +1
      21 February 2013 09: 29
      Quote: Renat
      Personally, I also remember the President of the USSR by the fact that he could talk for hours, everybody listened to him with delight, saying that everything was right, that it was the way it was, and that it had to be done, and after the talk no one understood what was being said.

      To the very point! I listened to him, didn’t understand anything and was surprised: IN UMISTIE, as she says smartly and cleverly, but apparently I am not enough to reach the level of development in order to understand his maxims! And only after a certain time, it became clear that this is just empty chatter!
      Yeltsin was already more understandable, I had a chance to live in Moscow during his tenure as the First Secretary of the Moscow City Committee, we already knew about the authoritarian style of his leadership, so I somehow could not believe his conversion to Democrats.
    2. 0
      21 February 2013 11: 05
      And I remember the sweet-voiced siren by the fact that in the heat of the argument (I immediately understood the rot in it!), My brother, who was 20 years older than me, shouted to me: “I’ll raise a machine gun for Gorbachev!” That's it, no more and no less ...
    3. luka
      0
      2 March 2013 01: 45
      Yeah. He liked to talk.
  3. +2
    21 February 2013 06: 25
    Eight out of ten Soviet people will put the article in bold + and will look forward to the signal at hour X ...
    You can’t redistribute the other two, they will look towards the swamp backwater, but they won’t enter the water, and they will quietly chew on their grub from a bag, watching the youth frolic in the muddy water ...
  4. djon3volta
    +2
    21 February 2013 06: 31
    is this a hint that Gorbachev needs to be praised? like, well, let him ruin the country, but now people quietly go abroad, buy foreign cars, shops are bursting with abundance, etc., because this is all thanks to Gorbachev, which means he also has a monument. So whether ? angry
    1. +1
      21 February 2013 09: 24
      Ohoho ... read it again, perhaps ...

      I did not make hints. There are many ways to praise. If to praise - to knock down with cola, then the bulk, this is close to the point.
  5. fenix57
    +12
    21 February 2013 06: 35
    Aha: "The fresh wind of perestroika will fill the sails of glasnost" - under this "wind" and dumped, REDISKA. Cheap to please the Anglo-Saxons
    1. +1
      21 February 2013 10: 07
      Suddenly I caught myself thinking that his photo or just the image acts on me like a red rag on a bull and his fists clench right away. am
  6. sashka
    +2
    21 February 2013 06: 46
    Okay .. Gorby "bad" .. Is the tandem better? I wonder what? .What kind of smoking at the bus stop will be put in jail.? Or factories were built for the production of anything ... The American plan in action. The population of Russia is needed to service oil pipelines. In nano, the future is nano steps ..
    1. djon3volta
      +8
      21 February 2013 07: 07
      Quote: Sasha
      Or factories were built for the production of at least something.


      Over three years, about 6 thousand greenhouses were built in the Kuban
      Taldinskaya-Zapadnaya-1 commissioned lava, which has no analogues in the Russian coal industry
      At the Povkhovskoye field (Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Area), the third block of a gas turbine power plant was launched
      Kirovsky Zavod creates a new production facility in the Saratov region
      The construction of the Polyarnaya TPP (Salekhard, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug) is carried out around the clock
      Kaliningrad producer began to supply tulips to Holland
      Serial production of the IL-76MD-90A began. Photo fact
      Dialysis center opened in Birobidzhan
      For the first month of 2013, the birth rate in the Perm Territory increased by 12%
      A fundamentally new energy propulsion system for space missions is being created in Russia
      DMZ ahead of schedule completed the delivery of additional sections of ED4MKM-AERO electric train wagons
      Two new ED4M electric trains arrived at the North Caucasus Railway

      this is news in just 2 days, and that’s not all ..

      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/

      and it’s also fun of me when hamsters shout at different sites, like they need to build kindergartens, hospitals, schools .. and in another news they shout that Russians are dying in millions, then why should kindergartens and schools be built if they are dying in millions? where’s the logic? mitodichki wassat
      1. DYMITRY
        0
        21 February 2013 08: 57
        Quote: djon3volta

        and it’s also fun of me when hamsters shout at different sites, like they need to build kindergartens, hospitals, schools .. and in another news they shout that Russians are dying in millions, then why should kindergartens and schools be built if they are dying in millions? where’s the logic? mitodichki

        Good day to you Evgeniy !!!! +100500 comment. Military Review every day becomes more and more like Rabler, "Matza's Ear" and similar white-gandled publications. Already, at least 40% of the materials tell us that it is impossible to live in Russia, that everything has been stolen and sawed off. Already with the naked eye, calls for the violent overthrow of the existing state structure become visible. (Which by the way is a criminal offense)
        Go to any material, the same people sit in the comments, reducing absolutely any topic of the article to the fact that it is impossible to live like this and "Putin's gang is on trial (tm)" It does not matter what is being discussed, whether about technology, about historical figures , about industry, about the greatest battles, are always reduced to the same thing. And there are more and more such commentators. And what is most meager, they put pressure on the authority of the newcomers, not allowing them to express their opinions across the "general line of the party." One gets the impression that for these people writing comments is work. I have long ceased to read the comments carefully, so I run my eyes, because reading them carefully is just boring, for the above reason
        For more than a year I have been a regular reader of VO and all these metamorphoses took place before our eyes. From a patriotic publication on military subjects, HE is slowly but steadily turning into a pseudo-patriotic political forum. IMHO Seryozha Tyutyukin and Leshenka Nasralny in the current format of the forum would very quickly be in the marshals.
        This state of affairs, in my opinion, is extremely sad. Hence the proposal to the moderators: maybe it makes sense to limit the number of comments from the user? Let's say 10 comments per day
        1. +1
          21 February 2013 09: 21
          Quote: DYMITRY
          it is impossible to live in Russia
          And we live and WE WILL LIVE! And we will put all such foretellers-istrodamuses in their place
          To the stake or to the wall
        2. 0
          21 February 2013 14: 09
          DYMITRY,
          It seems to me that you are very much mistaken about the "general line". After all, he is also a Banshee - if I am not mistaken, he is one of the "big shots", and where are the "calls for overthrow" in his article? And the fact that the commentators appeared "a la Bolotnaya" are quite possibly trolls and provocateurs, specially littering in the topics. And the heading "Opinions" - so it is called, that there everyone can place what he sees fit.
          1. DYMITRY
            0
            21 February 2013 14: 38
            Quote: Trapper7
            It seems to me that you are very much mistaken about the "general line"

            Good day namesake!
            In my comment, I did not mean specifically the Banshee article, I rather meant the comments on the article. And the "general line" is not the "main bumps" as you put it))), but just the same
            Quote: Trapper7
            it is quite possible trolls and provocateurs, specially littering topics.

            Which recently divorced more than a reasonable limit. There will be time, pay attention, the same group of people writes comments in absolutely all articles (not only in the rubric of opinion), and reduce the discussion to the same topic. Because of this, reading comments has become uninteresting. At one time I came to VO just because the comments were often more interesting than the articles.
            1. +1
              21 February 2013 20: 46
              Trapper7, Dmitry, thanks, of course, but about one of the "big shots" - this is overkill. You are wrong.
              Just writing what I think, that's all.
  7. wax
    +5
    21 February 2013 07: 07
    http://www.socialdesign.ru/projects/center/design/az2.htm
    The American president does nothing without the sanctions of all kinds of informal commissions, institutions that, by the way, deal with the problems of world intelligence, the creation of fifth columns, etc. .. Take, for example, the banking system - it is it that provides, in my opinion, monetary totalitarianism in the world. ..Most of the operations performed by Western banks are international, not just German, French, etc. ... All recent wars, including the Cold War against the USSR, were financed by international banks ... Remember Poland. During the Cold War, it was split from the Soviet bloc at a cost of trillions of dollars. Essentially bought a whole country. Then almost every Pole had his own dollar account. And the defeat of the Soviet Union was also carried out with the help of huge funds. Essentially, at spending billions of dollars, the entire Soviet "elite" was bought. And this monetary transaction was also carried out not according to the laws of the capitalist economy. The very fact that Gorbachev and then Yeltsin came to power, all their activities are not the result of some immanent development of Soviet society, but the result of the planned, purposeful activity of the powerful system of superstatehood in the West. ...
    - There are a great many such phenomena for which the Soviet Union is blasphemed. But they did not contradict and now do not contradict their political system. But they point to us and a speck in the eye. The Gulag is still being discussed, despite the fact that there were more repressed people in the Western world than in the Soviet Union. I believe that the fact of the Gulag is inflated to incredible proportions. Now in Russia there is no Gulag, but more people are in prisons than in Soviet times. And every year a million die out. The fact is that the falsification of history continues, and on the part of the Russian leadership as well. I recently read in a pamphlet a statement by the famous leader Koch that the Soviet system produced loafers and there was nothing to do at research institutes. This is slander. Where were the outstanding scientific, technical discoveries created? At the research institute. Now, in terms of parasitism, Russia is many times superior to the Soviet Union. ...
    - And who justifies the GULAG? Name me a person in Russia who justifies this. Can American slavery be justified? Great Britain's Millions of Victims in India Can Be Excused? I have never been a communist, a Marxist, in the official sense of the word. Nevertheless, while studying both the Soviet system and the Western world, I came to the conclusion that what happened in our country after the October Revolution is something unprecedented. The Russians were presented with a unique historical chance to develop their own supercivilization. The Soviet Union was formed not just as a society, but as a super-society. This was Russia's innovation. It would be surprising if great transformations were voluntarily accepted by all members of society. There was a fierce struggle. And in the Gulag there were by no means innocent victims. I was arrested in 1939, but I was a member of a terrorist group, we were preparing an attempt on Stalin's life. What, give us orders? And there were many people of this kind. But it was not this that determined the life of the country, but that positive creativity that covered a huge people and almost the entire planet. What they managed to do in the USSR in the shortest possible time, the history of mankind did not know. An illiterate country has become the most educated. We have created an industry, a science that has never been. Look at the numbers, how many people were there in the Western world? "Golden Billion". By the end of the Soviet period, there were only 260 million people in the Soviet Union, and at the same time they created the best aviation in the world, were the first to go into space. Even in the post-war years of devastation, it was possible to cope with poverty. I worked in the USA and saw such poverty there, which the Soviet Union forgot to think about.
  8. Soldier
    +5
    21 February 2013 07: 10
    But I remembered a case here. There was a case at the end of the 80s, I was still a schoolboy, and an extensive campaign was launched from children's and youth publications for refusing a military toy. Exchange points were created in cities where you could have your pistols and soldiers (and each boy had his own arsenal), for example, exchange them for soft toys. I think it’s not without the West. And the slogan NO WAR was only for Russians, unilaterally. Well, as a result, since the 90s years ,, mowers ,, (damn it, men only by primary sexual characteristics) more.
    1. DYMITRY
      0
      21 February 2013 08: 58
      As far as I remember - the action then failed miserably)))
      1. 0
        21 February 2013 10: 12
        DYMITRY,
        Quote: DYMITRY

        As far as I remember - the action then failed miserably)))


        Yes, it’s also interesting how it all ended here, we didn’t think of such insanity (Thank God).
        1. +1
          21 February 2013 13: 45
          Tin - I didn’t know .... never- and never)))) I don’t even give a damn for the money)))))) all the childhood legacy in the form of tank aircraft and soldiers - everything is stored! feel
  9. +5
    21 February 2013 07: 14
    I support the author! Good article. I'm also tired of how everyone around Russia and our history.
    Quote: Sasha
    Okay .. Gorby "bad" .. Is the tandem better? I wonder what?

    Thousands of times wrote what. South Ossetia. Wheat export instead of import. The average salary of $ 800 instead of 80 (to Putin). Rearmament. Growing geopolitical weight. The destruction of Wahhabism in Chechnya. Return of Sakhalin-2 to the state company. A huge number of patriotically oriented documentaries and feature films on TV (compared to the 90s). Doubling GDP is that common per capita. Fertility growth. Maternal capital.
    This is pure from the head.
    1. +11
      21 February 2013 07: 30
      Average salary 800 dollars instead of 80

      I always liked such examples! Analogies are immediately recalled:
      One beats in a fever, the other cools down in a morgue, and the average hospital temperature is 36,6 ° C.

      I’ve also met here on the site:
      The average salary in Russia is when 1 person gets 2 million, and 100 others get 8000 rubles each. Then, on average, they all get 27000 rubles each. And now, in simple terms: - Petya has 10 apples, and Vasya has 0. On average, both have 5 apples. - Officials eat meat, I - cabbage. On average, we eat cabbage rolls. - The wife of the director of the collective farm Glasha sleeps with everyone, and the milkmaid Masha does not give anyone, but on average they are both bl ... di
      1. djon3volta
        +1
        21 February 2013 07: 44
        Quote: Gleb
        The average salary in Russia is when 1 people receive 2 million, and 100 others by 8000р. Then on average they all get 27000p.

        and what else is another way to measure the average wage? I think so everywhere, it’s just that in Russia the gap between rich and poor is greater than in some countries.
        but who do you think is right, the old man who wanted that there wouldn’t be the poor, or is it the same boy who wants the rich not to be? It turns out the boy was right, not the old man as we all used to think wassat
        1. +3
          21 February 2013 07: 55
          and what else is another way to measure your average salary?
          maybe there is, maybe not. just this is not an argument and not an answer to the question "what has been done". take and bring the average level yes? looks great.
          but who do you think is right, the old man who wanted that there wouldn’t be the poor, or is it the same boy who wants the rich not to be? It turns out the boy was right, not the old man as we all used to think
          but what you don’t take on average?)) I don’t know this parable or what it is .. but the old man is right. The poor should not be. And for you, for some reason the boy is right ... I, for example, are not against the rich, I am against the stolen wealth.I am against thieves
        2. krisostomus
          0
          21 February 2013 11: 08
          There is. For this there is the concept of "median salary".
        3. sams
          +2
          21 February 2013 12: 05
          Quote: djon3volta
          and what else is another way to measure your average salary?

          It all depends on the source data.
          Key word "salary". It would be more correct to consider "income".
          We can stupidly take such data, for example, in the tax (official salaries based on income tax) and calculate the average. Data will be clearly not objective.
          And we can calculate the number of able-bodied people and divide by this figure the total official salary. This will be the other extreme.
          Such manipulations of stat data from the evil one.
          That is: The real income of the rich is in the shade and is not taken into account by statistics. The income of officially non-working ordinary citizens is not taken into account in any way. There are still thousands of points that are not taken into account in any way, and which, in turn, cannot be ignored for their insignificance.
          So where is the objective statistics?
          One could take an official point of view only in the case of complete transparency in the labor market and in finance. There is no such transparency.
          And this means that the corruption component of the Russian economy is present in and in the data of the Federal State Statistics Service.
        4. +1
          21 February 2013 14: 34
          Quote: djon3volta
          , simply in Russia the gap between rich and poor is greater than in some countries.

          Here is a counterargument to all your examples of Russia's development under Putin. The gap is not just “bigger than some countries.” The gap between rich and poor is huge and widening. All the achievements of Putin-type state-friendly capitalism do not compensate me for its negative factors.
          1. +1
            21 February 2013 15: 53
            Quote: Normal
            All the achievements of Putin’s state-friendly capitalism do not compensate me for its negative factors.
            Match the nickname, be normal. Putin is bad, and who is SPECIFICLY good? Only without blah blah blah, like monkey howler monkeys with Bolotnaya. Everyone can hait, but something concrete to say, alas ...
            1. -2
              21 February 2013 21: 39
              Quote: Denis
              Match nick, be normal

              Cling to the nickname - to ignore!
      2. sams
        +2
        21 February 2013 11: 04
        Quote: Gleb
        hospital average temperature


        For two of us there was a kilogram of sausage.
        I ate 1 kg, but you didn’t get it.
        On average, we ate half a kilo of sausage. laughing
    2. sashka
      +1
      21 February 2013 08: 03
      And in Ossetia, besides mountains and tangerines, what else is there ..? Let's say bananas do not grow in Saratov .. Apparently, salaries are also consistent. Now, if we had tangerines, we then fed all of Russia for the money
      1. +2
        21 February 2013 09: 31
        Quote: djon3volta
        who is right, the old man who wants the poor, or is it the boy who wants the rich not to be?


        In my opinion, these are the same eggs, only a side view. the whole question is how to do this.
        There will be no poor - this is either to raise the income level, or to starve the poor by hunger.
        There will be no rich - it's either everyone in poverty, or artificially curbing the incomes of those who can jump above the average. The old Take and Divide principle? And what to do when there is nothing to select and divide?

        We do not all sell gas, oil, loans and Chinese goods. oddly enough, there are successful people in the production of the same furniture, food, and so on. That is, those who create.

        Still, the old man was right, whatever one may say.
      2. 0
        21 February 2013 14: 42
        In Ossetia, tangerines do not grow; they grow in Abkhazia. In Ossetia, apples, pears, peaches and other fruits grow well. Still there are minerals and other nishtyaki)) Come visit, like it.
  10. +4
    21 February 2013 07: 16
    If all were none, how did we end up here and now? Or maybe you should look not only at the negative points, but also at the positive ones? Why the whole world sees in its past only positive moments, and treats negative ones as “temporary excesses and mistakes”

    Look at the States: any, I emphasize, any president is a hero and beyond America

    why don’t the people talk about the negative? our whole story is an attack on the rake. one king takes a step forward, a second back. so many years to raise the country and then destroy at one moment. reduction of nuclear potential, lost influence, and today we go back to that We want to return the BZHRK, education, land ... instead of living and prospering, we are trying to return to what it was. A constant struggle for survival.
    1. +3
      21 February 2013 09: 33
      Gleb, I'm not talking about the need to start shouting again at all angles about how everything is fine with us. It's not gonna go. I’m saying that it’s enough to shout about the fact that everything is bad with us, and everything is bad historically, from the creation of the world, as they are trying to present.
      1. 0
        21 February 2013 10: 59
        maybe I didn’t understand this thought (
  11. Fox
    +4
    21 February 2013 07: 17
    I didn’t like the article .-. all in one heap. by the author and parsley and Khrushchev and humpback and Yeltsin and ..... did GOOD for Russia!? would specify what exactly.
    1. +2
      21 February 2013 09: 38
      Quote: Fox
      in the author and parsley and Khrushchev and humpbacks and Yeltsin and ..... did GOOD for Russia!? would specify what exactly.


      As if the author did not set as his goal to show that the above historical characters did something good or bad. And even more so, to clarify thereof.

      You advice, you read the material, not the comments. And, preferably, line by line. And if you don’t understand what it’s about, just minus it. And your civic conscience will be clear, because I was not talking about this at all.
      1. jack clubs
        0
        21 February 2013 16: 11
        and even threatening to threaten (as in the days of Khrushchev, yes)
        --------- For an example of formidable Russia, the most stupid example. Which just characterizes the author’s tendency to interfere in one heap, both good and bad. And as you know, if you mix honey with a little bit of crap, you get just a lot of crap.
        So Fox didn’t understand you, but it doesn’t bother you to be more discriminating. Especially when doing experiments with honey and this same ingredient.
  12. +4
    21 February 2013 07: 22
    Judah he!
    And the same people praise him now, any deputy will say: "Perestroika-Karasho", because he was given a chance to crawl to the trough
    But why preziki, after such only preziki, was he awarded the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called?
  13. wax
    +2
    21 February 2013 07: 36
    http://www.polit.ru/article/2005/09/21/psizm/
    … I will give you one example. When Gorbachev had already unfolded, perestroika began, I then published the book Gorbachevism, then Katastroyka - I introduced this term literally a year after, according to Western terms, they brought their man to the Russian throne. I was then asked the question: "You criticize, and what positive can you offer?"
    You can’t imagine anything more positive. The proposal was this: these people — Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shevardnadze, and so on — should be hanged at twenty-four hours as traitors. The Chinese then learned a lesson and conquered at least fifty years of a quiet life. And you will have at least twenty-five to overcome the crisis and so on. In some newspaper, it seems, in Izvestia, there was an article - The Philosopher-Hanger. I hadn’t hanged anyone yet, and I, as some kind of tsarist official, had already been called a hanger.

    Another example, 1993, October. It was about eliminating the remainder of Sovietism in the supreme power, which was concentrated in one place. They refused to move to Novosibirsk, where it would be impossible to cope with them. Again, positive advice. The forces of those who trashed the remnants of Sovietism were insignificant. If at least twenty thousand ordinary inhabitants took to the streets, they could trample Yeltsin and this whole gang with bare feet. Without any weapons. Did not do this.

    When Putin came to power, he had a chance - when I wrote an article about it, I called it “Last Chance”. By the way, the West would be reconciled with this, in the West they expected him to do it. A very simple chance: review the results of privatization. What he did? He said: “The results of privatization will not be reviewed.”

    Fully nationalize everything that has strategic national significance: land, resources, power plants. This has not been done.
  14. SCS
    SCS
    +2
    21 February 2013 07: 50
    - "They need to hammer it into their heads since childhood that our country has always been great and mighty, that those who ruled it, to the best of their strength and understanding, performed deeds for the glory of Russia, to study these very deeds. Then for sure there will be no problems with patriotism. "
    ----------------
    Article +, but does not agree with the statement above. It’s not necessary, it’s not necessary to drive into the head only positive moments ...... and driving it is somehow somehow not right! you need to know the story as it is! After all, you need to know its negative aspects in order to prevent them in the future!
    and indeed our history without embellishment evokes feelings of pride and patriotism for our great past, present and future! hi
    1. +2
      21 February 2013 09: 41
      Quote: SCS
      and indeed our history without embellishment evokes feelings of pride and patriotism for our great past, present and future!


      I agree to all 100, but now I’m carefully studying modern history textbooks ... There’s a slightly different story. But I will write about this in the very near future.

      Quote: SCS
      you need to know the story as it is! After all, you need to know its negative aspects in order to prevent them in the future!


      The whole question is HOW it is served. And who. Yes, you need to remember the negative, to know, to be able to understand. But without excesses.
  15. +1
    21 February 2013 07: 53
    Our story clearly needs to be rewritten again. And not for the sake of those who make money on this, but for the sake of those who begin to study it (or take it, as they say in schools) in the near future. They need to drive this into their heads since childhood, that our country has always been great and powerful, that those who ruled it, committed the deeds of Russia to the best of their ability and understanding, to study these deeds.

    These are the right words. And it’s enough to rewrite history for the sake of this or that political moment.
  16. Grishka100watt
    0
    21 February 2013 07: 54
    The author is a big plus, I will support every word.
  17. +1
    21 February 2013 07: 55
    Novel...
    burned with a verb heart ...
    darn now.
    ...
    The mood is good.
    1. +3
      21 February 2013 08: 28
      I did not have time on time.
      Roman, for the umpteenth time I want to ask .. this is:
      ".. saw what comes from Europe and the States. And I was perfectly aware that Russia was being held for the trash can all but Germans... But they are generally a separate conversation. "
      ..
      So - the respected Banshee could not prepare ... at least a brief summary - who supplied what and .. junk, and who - normal, and what - the Germans?

      I am sure such material would be interesting.
      ...
      And yet, (I believe that Carthage should be destroyed) - when the warnings are canceled?
      1. 0
        21 February 2013 09: 43
        Quote: Igarr
        the respected Banshee could not prepare ... at least a brief summary of who supplied what


        Well, but it’s as if without documentary evidence, so, a personal look will be. I did not think then that I would write about it, I was not prepared.
  18. CCA
    CCA
    0
    21 February 2013 08: 36
    it is necessary to believe those who say that Russia, the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation were, are and will be great. And they prove it with all their strength. And everyone, especially those who are from there, to all these speculations and tales, need only give one answer: "It's not your business!".
    But this is right ... You don’t need to rewrite history, but it’s correct (without sprinkling ash on yourself) to respond to historical events - YES ... And those who engage in verbiage and the negation of all the positive, need to expose outcasts of society, then those who want to join them will not ...
  19. DYMITRY
    +2
    21 February 2013 09: 00
    Many thanks to the author for the article, I agree 100%
  20. +4
    21 February 2013 09: 11
    Even when it was screwing up the time of Leonid Ilyich, I believed like the last donkey, although I lived at that time. And I didn't have enough intelligence to think about where this creature was at that time. I stopped only after Tbilisi and Vilno, when I didn't know like "May" .What kind of leader are you then, go and hang yourself
    The frying pan is hot for him a long time, waiting
  21. pa_nik
    +3
    21 February 2013 09: 25
    Roman, good afternoon! Pleased .. reading your article was both pleasant and useful. I am pleased with the 100% getting into the general mood and, I hope, thoughts. I personally join unconditionally good I think the article outlines the path to internal reconciliation and harmony.

    Quote: Igarr
    and what are the Germans?


    If possible - in more detail. hi Is it the fact that since the middle of the XNUMXth century, German policy has evolved with an eye on Russia as the only country in the world that has the possibility of containing it (Germany)?
  22. +3
    21 February 2013 10: 35
    They are afraid of us and are trying so that we can bring ourselves to nothingness,
    Nikolaev, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, Sevastopol, Odessa and other cities of today's Ukraine would not have grown from the "Potemkin villages".
    And if the lion keeps saying that he’s a donkey, then in time he will really begin to eat grass.
  23. +1
    21 February 2013 10: 55
    Yes, we Russians have such a habit of sprinkling ashes on our heads. Constantly. And the bones "wash" already departed. And believe in a good king ...
    And history and its lessons are perceived depending on the purpose of perception. Personally, I am proud of the affairs of Ivan the Terrible, Peter and Catherine. For they are great and fruitful for my homeland. And some are looking for flaws, dirt, to humiliate and insult the memory of them, to deprive the history of the country of its glorious pages. And thereby humiliate her country. Our country. Therefore, the monuments are demolished, gorlopans, and the graves trample. And themselves, in their essence, are demagogues who subsequently turn into enemies.
    It's my personal opinion.
  24. +2
    21 February 2013 11: 08
    The example of Spain is certainly good. Only it was harder, much harder. And by the way, the monarchy was returned to Spain. And they are also trying to deal with Franco. (Although they are even legally prohibited)
    And I don’t understand what the author has when he talks about rewriting history. In my opinion, people just want to figure it out. In Soviet times, it was impossible to engage in objective history, because there was a party line - which is progressive, which is not progressive; what is right, what is not right. It was impossible to criticize the system at all. Criticism could be what: some said - our generation will live under communism; others answered - unrealistic, at best in 50 years. That's all the criticism. And you try to declare in those days that communism is simply unattainable - they will devour.
    Communism is possible when such human vices as lie, laziness, self-interest, envy, money-grubbing, fornication, drunkenness will be defeated.
    Now about patriotism. Of course, we need it, we’ll just drive it into our heads. We must love the Fatherland. I agree, it is necessary. Only now, in the 20th century, our Fatherland had three forms of government: Tsarist Russia, Soviet Russia and democratic Russia. And they are all very different in their device. The question arises - which of these forms of states does a person love more?
    The author proposes to veto criticism of the historical process. I believe that this will not help, it will not contribute to the development of patriotism. Man is originally an inquisitive creature and the ban annoys him; he will always look for opportunities to violate these bans.
    Basic fundamental principles are needed - in ideology, in politics, in economics, in culture - with which most citizens will agree. But we still have confusion and vacillations, a kind of quiet civil war.
    When we, for the most part, decide on what principles we want to build our lives, then we will have a normal elite, the country will develop sustainable and there will be no need to “hammer” patriotism into the heads of children. They themselves will be proud of their country.
    1. Baboon
      +1
      21 February 2013 12: 03
      And in their west, what is not a definite line in history? They don’t want to understand anything at all, what their countries did in the colonies, and in their territory, they simply delete many events from history. There have already appeared people who seriously believe that Russia should repent and pay reparations to the West for communism (such as Germany pays). In the West there is a veto on the presentation of their historical process. They don’t want to see at home, but they hammer us that we are bad.
      1. 0
        21 February 2013 22: 09
        Yes, there are also different people. There are people like Zbigniew Bzezhinsky - an outspoken Russophobe. And there is, for example, like Daniel Trisman, a professor at Columbia University. He has a book "Russia from Gorbachev to Putin". In my opinion, it is quite an objective thing. The book is big, just two points.
        1 Trismann directly accuses the West that he did not provide assistance to Russia during the Chubais reforms, moreover, took advantage of its weakness and advanced its geopolitical interests.
        2 It objectively illuminates the conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia, it was the Georgians who attacked first, it was the Georgians who used the hail installations to shell the peaceful city, which Russian peacekeepers suffered as well. And Russia after that was forced to intervene.
        So in the West there are reasonable people in the scientific community, and in politics, and in business. And with these people it is possible and necessary to conduct a dialogue.
        As for those like Brzezinski, we have an army and navy and we must strengthen them.
  25. 0
    21 February 2013 11: 15
    Thanks to the author for a good article!
  26. +1
    21 February 2013 11: 19
    Good article, what can I say. Everything was in our lifetime both bad and good. The bad must also be remembered, so as not to repeat those mistakes in the future, and the good must be taught to our youth, so that they would appreciate and respect our homeland.
  27. Baboon
    +2
    21 February 2013 11: 55
    The author is right, history really needs to be rewritten, but I would draw parallels with other countries, so that they would know what was happening at the same time in our country and in others. And somehow, right away, Ivan the Terrible is not at all terrible compared to his contemporaries. Even take the 20th century, inequality in the United States should be entered with pictures in textbooks, where are the plates for color. And after the victory over fascism, the affected countries of Europe arranged this in Africa. And Britain in India? India was once a rich country. So that they know from school, our country is certainly no worse than Western ones, even more humane.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      0
      21 February 2013 14: 00
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There was propaganda under the Soviets, but now is it or not, is history being broadcast to the West, as we see it? Or are all the media in the hands of the liquidationist mafia and they do what they want?
  28. 0
    21 February 2013 12: 03
    Quote: Gleb
    The average salary in Russia is when 1 people receive 2 million, and 100 others by 8000р. Then on average they all get 27000p.

    Gleb, a wonderful example, but then let us know the average salaries from our real friends. I understand that in Magadan they are higher than in the country, but we have 40 thousand men who earn anyway a month. Of course there are fewer, but the vast majority is either 40 or more.
    As in Central Russia I do not know, they say different things. In any case - since 2000, salaries have grown significantly for 90% of the population. Or am I wrong?
    1. +1
      21 February 2013 12: 45
      I am a Siberian and 40 are rare with my friends. On a vkidku- one 16 thousand one 20 thousand one 7 thousand (since it can’t be especially tense after a wound) one is about 300 thousand for women in general from 5 thousand (the rest is stolen)) .
      it's in the city. the situation is worse in the area
      1. +1
        21 February 2013 14: 40
        16 and 20 shitty of course .... But as it turns out, high American and European salaries (except Germany) are actually minus taxes, insurance, housing, mortgages, kindergartens, etc. etc. will also be in this somewhere range. I hope your friends at least own apartments without any debts. Togya is still not so bad with your prices, although you have to live economically.
        It is clear that the "free" huts are not Putin's merit, but that's why I say that history is not discontinuous, and Putin still deserves praise for many of his deeds, like those of our previous rulers who were able to provide housing for free and go into space and to reach the Pacific Ocean from the banks of the Dnieper.
        In any case, it is definitely impossible to compare him with Gorbachev, EBN, Vasily Shuisky (Time of Troubles) or Godunov. As a result, those have a complete collapse, while Putin, you must agree, is on the rise. And it doesn't matter that he was "lucky with oil"! If you're lucky, it means your merit. Thank God. If you're unlucky - "your jamb went to hell, loser." It is necessary to evaluate exclusively by the result.
        1. 0
          21 February 2013 15: 16
          no, well, I'm not saying that everything is getting worse and I certainly don’t want to go back to the 90s. I see how houses are being built, I see everything positive .. just I see very, very sad .. three days ago I walk down the alley home, a woman is sitting and speaks on the phone with tears, "no one needs me," I felt uncomfortable (and there is so much around us, it is clear that we are moving forward, but along with Putin's charisma, when he distributes to the left and to the right, as befits a leader, I sometimes see him as a weakling and slobber ... they deceive him in the eyes, they look at him like a simpleton. and he is glad to be deceived. What is it with the Ministry of Defense? The clan does not allow him to put things in order? nonsense! you're a wimp! that's all. such sums are stolen ..... it's not even funny ... but old people beg, women cry
      2. DYMITRY
        0
        21 February 2013 14: 46
        I'm from Ekaterinburg. Among my friends and acquaintances, salaries below 35 tr no. If you estimate the average RFP, it will turn out somewhere around 45-50. In women, less than 25-30 tr. In large cities of the region, salaries are about the same. In small ones, the situation is worse. Salaries are less than half.
        1. 0
          21 February 2013 15: 25
          Listen, well, I'll probably go to Yekaterinburg! I’ll settle somewhere on Schors / Belinsky, go to work across the road to the Ural Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and there I will receive 35-45 thousand
          can’t you help with the device? Otherwise, friends of Sverdlovsk are complaining. Do you just have acquaintances of a higher level probably?
          1. DYMITRY
            0
            21 February 2013 21: 21
            Quote: Gleb

            Listen, well, I'll probably go to Yekaterinburg! I’ll settle somewhere on Schors / Belinsky, go to work across the road to the Ural Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and there I will receive 35-45 thousand
            can’t you help with the device? Otherwise, friends of Sverdlovsk are complaining. Do you just have acquaintances of a higher level probably?

            Try hard work arranged. You will earn no less. vacancies before assholes, and even training is, if necessary. And for moans like everything is terrible in the country we do not pay.
  29. Avenger711
    0
    21 February 2013 12: 43
    And suddenly we will come again, that "why the tsar was driven out, so the mind does not understand Russia".
  30. +1
    21 February 2013 12: 51
    <<< We ourselves will figure out who to erect monuments, to whom to shoot ... Well, there was a despot, well, a tyrant ... but he was driving along the coast, he did not like that it was empty on the line, he ordered, where he spat, to put a fortress ... That's worth it. It is there, then they shoot, then they put on, but here everything is quiet here ... The Spanish grandfather was wise, you will not say anything. - >>>
    And we would have it if all Westerners, who had imagined themselves to be teachers and advisers, did not bargain unceremoniously, first of all the impudent Saxon educators, for whom Russia has historically been the main obstacle in their expansion to the East, to the establishment of world domination. Therefore, not against Spain, but against Russia for many centuries, the West (including with the participation of Spain as part of Western civilization) has been waging an incomparable information war, not to mention the numerous military attempts to subjugate Russia, the most important direction of which is precisely the creation of and the worldwide replication of the most negative image of Russia, as a country of wild, uneducated, rejecting universal values, ruled by bloodthirsty dictators, tyrannizing their people and threatening the rest of the world. At the same time, the propaganda of the Western way of life, of Western values ​​the only ones worthy of living on earth, to which all countries should strive, is being conducted. And this could not but affect Russian society, where from ancient times, primarily among its wealthy and influential part, a group of Westerners formed, completely sharing the West’s opinion about Russia, enthusiastically prepared to spread Western speculation and even practically help the West to change power in Russia in a revolutionary way speaking as the 5th column. In such an environment, Russia is forced to exist now and in order to withstand it, the Patriotic forces must conduct active counter-information propaganda, primarily among the younger generation: Russia has a Great History, Great Achievements, there is much that can and need to be proud !!!
    The main thing is NOT to ADMIT all these open and latent "connoisseurs" of Western values ​​to power and to power, and to HARDLY protect our young generation from their influence!
    1. Baboon
      0
      21 February 2013 13: 19
      Here they are western values
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U6iIszA3fJs#!
  31. Nikolay-
    +1
    21 February 2013 13: 58
    what tyrant Peter was and what tyrant Joseph was

    All history is a field of ideological warfare, and not at all a scientific reflection of the past. Therefore, in the interests of the existing state, it is necessary to single out those figures who worked for its power and to exalt them. Stalin was definitely such. Honor and glory to him! And the fact that the enemies of the state "water" it should not interfere.
    With Peter it is much worse: in fact, a Western protege on the Russian throne. The new nobles worship Western culture and "communicate in French" (naturally, they simply do not know Russian, since they are foreigners). By the way, Peter, by the way, also spoke with an accent until the end of his days, since he grew up in Brandenburg. Wars begin against Turkey in the interests of the West. Persecution of the Russian Church as the custodian of traditions and legal succession to the throne. And the territory of Russia has decreased many times, since the Romanovs initially captured only its capital region.
    Later, through the efforts of German historians, Peter was presented as a great reformer of "dense Russia". But why should we believe in these nonsense?
    1. +1
      21 February 2013 14: 26
      Quote: Nikolay-
      Only to us, then why believe in these nonsense?
      Bullshit or not, but there is a city in the Baltic. And without tales of the millions of dead during its construction
      Any strong ruler is not to the West's liking, that’s why various liberalists work out soldering in every possible way
  32. +1
    21 February 2013 14: 40
    For each humpback an ice ax.
  33. 0
    21 February 2013 14: 49
    Quote: Goldmitro
    The main thing is NOT TO ALLOW all these open and latent "connoisseurs" of Western values ​​to power and to power, and to FIRMLY protect our young generation from their influence

    So that's just it, that it is necessary to "prevent" any orange liberals, and even bureaucrats frostbitten from the caste of untouchables must be gouged!
    And now, judging by our reasoning, these are contradictory goals. Because The "untouchable caste" has successfully turned into patriots, and as soon as you say anything against them, they start yelling about the orange threat.
    Say whatever you like to me about "bad boyars and a good tsar", but I see more and more clearly that this is exactly the alignment !!! Putin does not look like a traitor. It's even funny. And at the same time, evil spirits dug in at the top. How can this be? Yes, just as in his time Khrushchev came out and "exposed" Stalin. How so, Stalin, with his purges and insight, did not see Khrushchev? How so, Caesar's best sidekick Brutus stabbed? How so, boyar Tverdila, subordinate to Nevsky, Pskov surrendered? How did General Vlasov, Stalin's favorite, become a fascist scum?
    In a word, all attempts to overthrow the supreme power must be suppressed in every possible way, but with the same zeal it is necessary to attack the current "untouchable boyars."
  34. +1
    21 February 2013 14: 51
    Great article. I have already spoken out, but I repeat. The story should be taken out of criticism. The past must be great and heroic if we want to have a future. Criticizing the past is foolish and pointless; it can no longer be changed, but it is very easy to denigrate. Let's discuss the present. This is more productive and all the more necessary.
  35. 0
    21 February 2013 14: 53
    All that we observe today in our country and the world as a whole is the fault of Gorabchev’s actions. On his hands is the blood of all who died in ethnic conflicts, died of starvation or drank from unnecessary. It’s on his conscience the collapse of a powerful country. On his conscience, all the victims of regime changes in some countries friendly to us. He is responsible for the collapse of the economy of our country and the practical death of industry. He has to answer for a lot, but who is to ask him ??
  36. 0
    21 February 2013 14: 54
    Great article Roman! Thank you very much. good
  37. dmb
    +1
    21 February 2013 15: 44
    Hello Roman. I would agree with your article entirely. if not for one of your comments to her: "Sash, I didn't take Yeltsin at all ...". And that he, and the "dear Michal Sergeich" you mentioned, is not a part of our history, but a negative attitude towards them, as well as towards other characters, is only spitting? I agree with you that such historical figures as Peter, Catherine, Lenin and Stalin and even the infamous ones mentioned above should be judged not by the number of their extramarital affairs, but by what they have done for their country and their people. in those specific conditions. in which they lived and operated. Then everything will fall into place. As for the history textbooks. You threatened to describe this moment in the next article. It turns out this topic worries not only you. Yesterday our wise President also called for a revision of history textbooks so that they do not have an ambiguous interpretation. Good thought. But here's what confused. Why did she dawn on him when he visited the Jewish, even if very cultural center? Here, even for me, who has an extremely negative attitude to the division of people by noses and skulls, the question arises: "And who and how will eliminate these contradictions." Will it not turn out that Abramovich and Chubais will be called the mind, honor and conscience of our era? Can you imagine how many zealots of "piety" will evaluate this on this and other sites as well.
    1. +1
      21 February 2013 21: 10
      Hello.
      I deliberately set Gorbachev as if abroad, because it was from him that everything I wrote about went. And blame it on him. What happened next is another question.

      With regards to textbooks ... Well, I’ve been studying this for the third month and slowly analyzing it, so I’ll have time before the president.

      Quote: dmb
      But that's what confused. Why did she dawn on him when he visited the Jewish, even if very cultural center? Here even for me, who is extremely negative about the division of people by noses and skulls, the question arises: "And who and how will eliminate these contradictions."


      And I was embarrassed that the authors of the textbooks I'm sitting on are A.O. Soroko-Tsyupa, S.A. Soroko-Tsyupa, V.M. Brandt, in short, there is only Gavrilenko more or less. And they write the history of Russia ...
  38. 0
    21 February 2013 16: 21
    And spitting on his story under the guise of truthfulness is anything but love for his country. (end of quote)

    Maybe they start praising General Vlasov, rehabilitate Colonel Penkovsky and put a monument to him ??? What the hell? The true heroes of the country - Matrosov, Korolev, Gagarin, Yangel - can be continued for a long time, these are people who have accomplished feats each in his place. But Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Bokatin, Gaidar, Chubais and other recipients of "cisterns of shit" are not heroes, they are antiheroes, albeit collective images, but no one pulled them into power, took up the buzz, be responsible for your affairs. The result of their activities is known. Yes, I agree that since November 82, there was no coherent, intelligible policy, people were mostly confused and did not understand much that the era was breaking down, the great elders left one after another, and then an upstart appears, which is from the decrepit hands of the outgoing generation of rulers pulls out the reins and, suddenly - shit "- all the doors are wide open, come in, good people, take everything you need, we don't know where we are going, what we fought for - everything is not true, and so on and so on.
    At some point it seemed that EBN would correct the matter, but somehow everything became clear very quickly. For me, voucher privatization and loans-for-shares auctions were a borderline, after which the meaning of what was happening became clear: the country was being plundered. Predatory, greedy and shameless. Maybe this simple population was so greedy and Jesuitically cunning that it captured all the wealth of a great country, or it was still specific characters in power or near it. Maybe they were factory workers who bought shares of their enterprises with vouchers, after which they were forced to sell them in order to simply feed the children, since the management did not pay them for months until the shares were sold. The author is disingenuous! History is made by heroes and villains, heroes honor and glory, and villains - "cisterns of shit" and I love my Motherland, not because Gorbachev ruined it or Berezovsky robbed it.
  39. Nikolay-
    0
    21 February 2013 18: 42
    Quote: Nicholas-But why do we believe in these nonsense?

    Bullshit or not, but there is a city in the Baltic. And without tales of the millions of dead during its construction
    Any strong ruler is not to the West's liking, that’s why various liberalists work out soldering in every possible way


    The matter is that we must be critical of the history of the state inherited from the Germans. If we again entrust the writing of history to enemies, then Gorbi will become a great reformer and an outstanding fighter against totalitarianism.
    And if we take a generalized look at the activity of the Romanov times of Peter I, then this is a bloody seizure of the metropolitan region of Russia and a military confrontation with the rest of the state (even during the time of Catherine II, the southern border of Romanov’s Russia passed along the Oka).
  40. 0
    21 February 2013 21: 34
    About Gorbachev .... PEOPLE !!! it’s not possible for one person to ruin such a power, what it is necessary to suspend it for which places I agree with, but to ruin it, the country needs not one person but a lot of them and they must be very influential, it scares another that it may very well be that now which one of them has power ...
    1. +1
      22 February 2013 02: 19
      Quote: Bosk
      one man cannot ruin such a power
      He wasn’t alone, having pressed on hidden levers, he found a lot of associates. Someone was the 1st Secretary of the Central Committee of Georgia, not necessarily her, she, for example. The duty is not small, but then there is a chance to become a condos of these parts. There are few who resist this temptation
      1. -1
        22 February 2013 21: 16
        So we gradually approached the main destroyers of the Union ... on the subject of someone who benefits from it, Gorbavchev received the current of laurels of a scapegoat and a dubious reputation behind the cordon, while the necruty people cut it down most of all ... Yeltsin and the company, the country's most important democratizers It was they who chopped the country into pieces that got power, access to resources and world renown.
  41. 0
    21 February 2013 21: 46
    Quote: Bosk
    one man cannot ruin such a power

    That is precisely such a power and could!
    In a sense, we had autocracy. The power of the Secretary General was a comparison of the power of the king.
    Just created the prerequisites, take an interest. About 70% of the unit was replaced.
  42. WW3
    WW3
    +2
    22 February 2013 02: 18
    Leopard change his spots...
    For what Gorbacheff did not undertake, he ruined everything - starting from the Berlin Wall to the great country of the USSR .... angry
    "Let him in the next world. Fall on the bridge!"
    Peter Ershov. The Little Humpbacked Horse
  43. +1
    22 February 2013 03: 33
    Probably the topic
  44. 0
    18 March 2013 05: 20
    If anyone remembers, Humpbacked was still pushing for the preservation of the Union, but now let’s remember who reported it and who laid it on the Union? .. Stop drowning in black and white ... GO goat ... but this is not a goat!

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