Our own people: new personnel decisions in the Ministry of Defense

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Our own people: new personnel decisions in the Ministry of Defense


Personnel hurricane


It should be noted that Andrei Belousov endured an excellent pause at the Moscow Art Theater - a large-scale replacement of first assistants began only a month after his appointment. By decree of President Putin, deputy heads of the military department Nikolai Pankov, Ruslan Tsalikov, Tatyana Shevtsova and Pavel Popov were relieved of their positions. Moreover, they were specifically released, that is, dismissed without the wording “due to transfer to a new position.” This is an important addition that characterizes the previous merits of officials.



In the modern vertical of power, statesmen and women have several options for continuing their careers.

The first is an increase in the table of ranks. This is for those who are efficient and dedicated to the profession.

The second is a horizontal transfer to a new position, perhaps with a slight decrease in status and influence. That is, I coped with the assigned responsibilities, but I could have done better.

The third way is immediate investigation. Here the fate of the corrupt official will be decided by the judge. For whom is this story prepared, I think it is unnecessary to comment.

The fourth scenario is a banal dismissal from office. These people are actually kicked out of work in the hope that what they earn through “honest labor” will last for the rest of their lives. True, there are options here too. For example, ex-Minister of Defense Serdyukov, despite all the scandals and some time after his dismissal, turned out to be useful at the United Aircraft Corporation, and since 2019 he has been working as vice-president of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia.

In general, there are many career options for suspended deputies of the former defense minister; it is possible that in the foreseeable future they will appear on the bureaucratic horizon of Russia. Moreover, people who were representative were fired.

The former First Deputy Minister of Defense Tsalikov was considered Shoigu’s man. He worked at the Ministry of Emergency Situations from 1994 until 2012, when he became Deputy Minister of Defense. True, during this period he managed to work for several months in the leadership of the Moscow region.

It is obvious that Sergei Shoigu in the Moscow Region was given complete carte blanche to appoint his people. And this is normal - everyone practices this way, everywhere, the main thing is that the person is able to work. The First Deputy Minister is responsible for capital construction, housing and property relations, and medical services, which together imposes special obligations.


Ruslan Tsalikov

Tsalikov’s place was taken by Acting State Councilor of the Russian Federation, 1st class, Leonid Gornin, from whose track record it is clear that he knows how to count money. The work book contains the positions of controller-auditor, head of the regional department of the tax service and first deputy minister of finance of Russia.

You can’t call him Belousov’s man, but he is a typical technocrat-monetarist and must put financial flows in the military department under strict control. There are no even suspicious materials about Gornin, not to mention any compromising evidence, and there is every reason to believe that the official was in the right place.

Four by four


One of the most powerful officials in the Ministry of Defense, State Secretary Nikolai Pankov, also lost his position in accordance with Putin's order. 69-year-old Pankov served in the FSB until 1998, and since 2001, with the light hand of Sergei Ivanov, he was appointed to the military department.

Pankov is a real veteran of the Ministry of Defense - even Shoigu’s personnel changes after Serdyukov’s reign did not touch him. Considering the range of responsibilities associated with the personnel service, we expect serious evolution in this direction. If not revolutionary changes.

It is noteworthy that there is no successor to Pankov in Putin’s decree - none of the three new deputy ministers will directly concern personnel policy. Therefore, we are waiting for a successor to the chief personnel officer of the defense department in the very near future.


In addition to new appointments and removals, Putin allowed Belousov to have 12 deputies on his staff instead of the previous ten

Pavel Popov, who was responsible for innovation and information systems at the ministry, was also removed. It must be said that the appointment of Andrei Belousov was presented as a need to change the course of innovation policy, which indicates some problems in this area.

Popov came to the department together with Shoigu from the Ministry of Emergency Situations and, among other things, oversaw the creation of the National Defense Center of Russia. Everything seemed to work out here, but there were questions about the rest. Three Main Directorates under the leadership of Popov - research activities and technological support, development of information and telecommunication technologies, as well as the robotics center - could not boast of significant breakthroughs.

In Belousov’s new policy, attention will be especially focused on these sectors, and with it the corresponding funding.

The question remains open: who will replace Popov in this important post?

Among the appointed deputies, not a single one is assigned responsibilities for innovative work.


New Deputy Minister of Defense Pavel Fradkov

41-year-old Pavel Fradkov can be considered a newcomer to the military department. This is President Putin’s man, the son of the director of the Foreign Intelligence Service and Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov. Until June 17, Pavel Mikhailovich worked as the first deputy manager of the presidential affairs, and now he will be the direct successor to the disgraced and prosecuted Deputy Minister Ivanov. The position is not easy, given the trail of acts incriminated against the predecessor - everyone will look at the work of the new deputy minister under a microscope.

Interestingly, from 2012 to 2015 Fradkov served as deputy head of the state property management agency. And now he will oversee military property, construction and economics.

A successor (or successor) to the chief financier of the Ministry of Defense, Tatyana Shevtsova, who was also removed from office by Putin, has not been announced. The woman can be considered part of Serdyukov’s team, which was one of the few not replaced by Shoigu in 2012. Shevtsova is a typical person from the tax service and, obviously, should have remained in her post under Belousov.

Among the identified problems, the new minister highlighted shortcomings with the payment of required funds and provision of military personnel, which is clearly considered a stone in Shevtsova’s garden. After this, Tatyana Viktorovna’s days as deputy minister were numbered. So far, however, they have not decided on a successor.

Analysts consider Oleg Savelyev, deputy minister and chief of staff of the department, to be a threat to all corrupt officials. As one of the senior officials of the Accounts Chamber, Savelyev was responsible for auditing defense, national security and law enforcement agencies. The work of identifying thieves and bribe-takers is familiar to Savelyev; he is a typical technocrat of the new formation, whose representatives have repeatedly proven their loyalty to the country and the president.

The most interesting and unusual person in Belousov’s new environment is Anna Tsivileva. She will be responsible for organizing social and housing support for military personnel. Anna Evgenievna previously proved herself well as the head of the Defenders of the Fatherland state fund, which, in addition to the Ministry of Defense, was involved in providing support for the military in the Northern Military District. Apparently, the foundation did this better than the defense department.

Three more interesting facts about Anna Tsivileva.

First, she is the wife of the current Minister of Energy Sergei Tsivilev. The second fact is that some media outlets call Tsivileva Putin’s cousin. The third fact is that Anna Evgenievna is a psychiatrist by training.

It is noteworthy that the block of direct leaders of the course of events in the Northern Military District has not yet been affected by the reforms. It is difficult to guess from the tea leaves, but this may mean that both the Russian President and Minister Belousov are generally satisfied with the progress of the special operation.

However, hands might simply not have reached the General Staff yet. The replacement of deputy defense ministers should be sequential and not simultaneous. In the conditions of the Northern Military District, a one-time reform can become a revolution with difficult to predict consequences.
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  1. +5
    21 June 2024 04: 55
    hands might simply not have reached the General Staff yet
    They took only one Shamarin...
    1. +19
      21 June 2024 08: 22
      Well, as usual, “the beds are moving”.... There is no one “from the street”, but how beautiful the calls of a certain person sounded that it was necessary to change the managers to those who are from the Northern Military District and have no connections with the existing “pack” ... In general, everything is as usual: those who come will get used to it, will acquire their own “teams”, then connections among themselves, then fat, and everything will begin in a new way.... or rather, in the old way... wink
      1. -6
        21 June 2024 10: 26
        ...I would remain silent about the beds, because as Somerset Maugham said: “The bigger the artist, the longer his pause!”
      2. +9
        21 June 2024 13: 48
        I have confidence that if people from the Northern Military District are appointed to responsible positions, they will only be able to do something with their team, because otherwise the current System will devour them.
      3. +11
        21 June 2024 14: 00
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        change managers to those with SVO

        are there suddenly so many competent leaders there? or will a short PR course “Heroes of Russia” consisting of a couple of leadership trainings and public speaking make them suddenly ready to become a deputy minister? )
        1. 0
          21 June 2024 20: 04
          Oh, well, of course, I sang along to the old songs of a certain cohort: “up there, they know better,” “you’re not professionals, “Ilita rules.”...
          “The cattle of the common people are capable of nothing but groveling in the dirt”... feel Caste-family kleptocracy rules. Yes
        2. 0
          4 August 2024 12: 14
          ...or a short PR course “Heroes of Russia” consisting of a couple of leadership trainings and public speaking will suddenly make them ready to become a deputy minister?

          No, no, thief Ivanov was a brilliant leader, a hero-commander and strategist at the same time. In addition, he wrote poetry and was an exemplary Komsomol member when he was a member. But he was slandered and labeled as a scam and in general. Return Shoigu and Ivanov to the Kremlin! And why are you driving Belousov out of the Moscow Region? What’s an economist to do there!?
          Populists like you are only fooling people on the site. You've probably also been somewhere near the Ivanovo feeding trough!? It’s not clear where the wind is blowing from!?
      4. -1
        25 September 2024 13: 56
        41-year-old Pavel Fradkov. He is President Putin's man, the son of the director of the SVR and the Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov.


        The first is that she is the wife of the current Minister of Energy, Sergei Tsivilev. The second fact is that some media outlets call Tsivilev Putin's cousin.


        How nice it is that strong managers come to power, who have achieved such heights thanks to their personal professional qualities, without any connections or “hairy paws”! feel
    2. +11
      21 June 2024 08: 46
      They never found a person for innovation. what
      In the country of Kulibin, Cherepanov, Lomonosov, Mendeleev and other geniuses, they did not find a person to innovate. fool
      The mind is incomprehensible.
      Everything is so sad that there is not a single smart guy for the Moscow Region. We don't have Elon Musk.
      Maybe Belousova can use Maxim Klimov from Military Review for innovations? what At least he knows what to do with the fleet. And the fleet is one of the most technically complex and innovative branches of the military. I am sure that Maxim Klimov will not mess with the rest of the military branches. And it won’t steal, like Nanoskolkovo and other technology parks. Yes good
      1. +17
        21 June 2024 09: 39
        What innovations? A friend of mine went to college, he needed a tower, to go to the automotive department. They are still studying the ZIL-130 there.
        1. +5
          21 June 2024 10: 57
          Quote: helilelik
          They are still studying the ZIL-130 there.

          This is a classic! It's good that it's not 157!
          1. +8
            21 June 2024 16: 49
            Anyone who drove a 157 without power steering can do anything in a KamAZ.
            1. +2
              22 June 2024 00: 25
              I drove a 157 and a GAZ-63....Take care of your thumb!
        2. +3
          21 June 2024 11: 09
          Quote: helilelik
          A friend of mine went to college, he needed a tower, to go to the automotive department. They are still studying the ZIL-130 there.

          What kind of institute?
        3. +6
          21 June 2024 13: 37
          At the school they guided the MiG21 to air targets, although it had not been in the units for a long time. When asked "why is that so", they clearly answered, learn to guide it, you will be able to any fighter from any angle...
        4. -1
          22 June 2024 11: 19
          They study the Zil-130 correctly, the car was created for war. In war, the simpler the mechanism, I emphasize, the mechanism and not the attached equipment, the easier it is to maintain and operate.
        5. -1
          17 August 2024 01: 44
          Ahahahahaha
          In 2017, gas-66 was studied at one of the most famous universities.
          Which has long been removed from service.
      2. +4
        21 June 2024 11: 05
        Quote: Bearded
        They never found a person for innovation. what
        In the country of Kulibin, Cherepanov, Lomonosov, Mendeleev and other geniuses, they did not find a person to innovate. fool

        And thank God! Otherwise we know these army innovations...
        - You give me a lantern, hang a lantern on my forehead! So that I can mow at night!
      3. +8
        21 June 2024 11: 43
        Innovation is a slippery topic; one redhead with nanotechnology cost the country a lot.
        1. +3
          21 June 2024 16: 18
          SO MAYBE HE WAS SENT AND HE IS STILL THINKING, SO HE IS WAITING. smile [media = http: //]
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      4. +1
        21 June 2024 13: 39
        or maybe propaganda invented them like the current anogs, that’s why they weren’t found
      5. -2
        23 June 2024 07: 31
        We don't have Elon Musk


        Well, you also remember Bill Gates. Both here and there DARPA and the Pentagon + unlimited funding. Another thing is that in our country this is impossible today, because until recently everything was supervised by the Transoceanic Regional Committee.

        So now a window has appeared (even I was wondering how long it would take) to do something similar in Russia. And Prigozhin immediately comes to mind - what can I say, the move was not trivial, but the RESULT, mother, don’t worry.
      6. 0
        26 June 2024 15: 58
        Belousova to take on Maxim Klimov’s innovations

        I have been talking about this for a long time too. Klimov will not eat his bread in vain. But unfortunately the system will not let such people through. They are inconvenient for it and always say what they think and see, and not what they want to hear from them.
    3. 0
      21 June 2024 10: 26
      .....................not yet evening.)
      1. +2
        21 June 2024 17: 52
        Quote from Egeni
        .....................not yet evening.)

        laughing laughing laughing
        Do you think it's already night? belay
        1. 0
          21 June 2024 20: 07
          ...................ha ha.)
        2. 0
          22 June 2024 04: 18
          Quote from tsvetahaki
          Quote from Egeni
          .....................not yet evening.)

          laughing laughing laughing Do you think it's already night? belay
          If the command fight back it was night recourse
    4. +20
      21 June 2024 11: 55
      but this may mean that both the Russian President and Minister Belousov are generally satisfied with the progress of the special operation.

      A very dubious statement. The operation, which was supposed to be completed in 3 weeks, has lasted for the 3rd year. And all the achievements in army construction turned out to be a soap bubble. And the excuse that we are fighting against all NATO countries is not accepted. Total lies and window dressing in everything. If we were not a nuclear power, they would make us a 2nd Korea...
      We have “an army of yesterday,” as Putin said.
      Technical means of reconnaissance in real time beyond 30 km are completely absent.
      We fight as best we can, not as we should!
      1. +6
        21 June 2024 12: 12
        Quote: Vitov
        And all the achievements in army construction turned out to be a soap bubble.

        All this can be seen from the conduct of hostilities... But we are “improving the situation”!
      2. +3
        21 June 2024 14: 03
        This means that they are generally satisfied with how the army “suddenly turned out to be a soap bubble” is coping with the anger of the sovereign and the replacement of everyone with others - a miracle will not happen overnight... neither in weapons nor in technology. we have to play with the chips we have...
        and in this situation, perhaps the current leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff is not the worst option for maintaining controllability and preventing a disaster...
    5. +2
      22 June 2024 01: 42
      Well, we all really hope that it will get to Gerasimov. Criminal... There is something there to grab by the nostrils and put on the concrete. Far away and for a very long time.
  2. +35
    21 June 2024 04: 59
    The plebs can only watch from the sidelines the movement among the family clans of the celestials.
    1. -10
      21 June 2024 05: 11
      Do the plebs have options (we don’t consider the option “with a saber drawn, senselessly and mercilessly”)?
      1. +5
        21 June 2024 06: 07
        Don't make me extremist.
        1. -10
          21 June 2024 07: 01
          The main thing is that you don’t do anything to yourself.
        2. -1
          21 June 2024 10: 28
          ................"do" something else.)
      2. -12
        21 June 2024 06: 11
        The plebs have no and never had any options because everything senseless only leads to merciless suppression by those who act meaningfully.

        The plebs are plebs because they take seriously only a specific Tsar, Emperor, or simply the Boss, and such a concept as a “party” seems fantastic, alien, and disgusting to them.

        For the organization of a party is accessible only to those who are capable of taking seriously and submitting to a certain idea. And the idea is a thing fundamentally inaccessible to any stinking plebs, ever and in any country. An idea is not a stew, you can’t pour it into a trough
        1. +4
          21 June 2024 06: 20
          Quote: ivan2022
          The plebs are the plebs because they take seriously only a specific Tsar, Emperor, or simply Bokhan, and such a concept as a “party” seems fantastic, alien and disgusting to him.

          And the plebs, who in the USA vote for one of the two ruling parties, cease to be plebs?
          1. -2
            21 June 2024 07: 18
            In the USA, the plebs do not vote at all, the electors vote, and nothing at all depends on the plebs.
            1. +14
              21 June 2024 09: 10
              In the USA, the plebs do not vote at all, the electors vote, and nothing at all depends on the plebs.

              It is the electors who vote for the President, and the Americans who vote directly for the senators and congressmen. Moreover, both the Senate and the Congress can take the President very harshly, but he cannot do anything to them; the maximum of his powers is to veto a legislative initiative, which, however, is overridden by a simple majority of votes. The same parsley with ships. So there’s no need to think that since we’re not deciding anything here, no one in the world is deciding anything
              1. +5
                21 June 2024 09: 15
                Do not be deluded by so-called democracy, NOWHERE in the world do the people decide ANYTHING, NOT IN ANY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD! Everywhere and everything is decided by the “elites”, i.e. those who have real money and means of production.
                Did the yellow vests get a lot of trouble in France? Have protests in the EU been resolved much? Did the storming of the US Capitol decide much? The world is ruled by money, or rather BIG MONEY.
                1. +9
                  21 June 2024 09: 50
                  The world is ruled by money, or rather BIG MONEY.

                  And sometimes big money can do nothing with one single person who is driven by an idea. Starting from Jesus and Mohammed, to the French thinkers of the Renaissance and ending with Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. And when an idea takes hold of the masses, it becomes a force that the richest and most noble representatives of the world elite have to reckon with. So it was and so it will be. This is true democracy. Yes, it does not appear often, sometimes in a moment that exists by historical standards, but it is this moment that changes the history of all mankind. And most importantly, even after the popular wave subsides, there are still many tools and mechanisms that make the life of an ordinary person a little, but better, and his importance - higher.
                  Did the yellow vests get a lot of trouble in France? Have protests in the EU been resolved much? Did the storming of the US Capitol decide much?

                  Believe it or not, even these actions had consequences. And this despite the fact that all these social movements set their main task simply as an expression of public discontent. Now imagine what will happen if these people are given a much clearer and more specific task, not the abstract “to be heard,” but “hear or...”
                2. +2
                  21 June 2024 12: 49
                  Democracy is always and everywhere. It’s just that many people forget that in Greece only rich slave owners decided everything, and no one questioned the rabble. Now they have decided to rename this rabble (from the point of view of rich slave owners) the people
                  1. +4
                    21 June 2024 15: 10
                    It’s just that many people forget that in Greece only rich slave owners decided everything, and no one questioned the rabble.

                    In Ancient Greece there were many city-states: somewhere there was an ordinary tyranny, somewhere - an oligarchy, somewhere - a monarchy, and somewhere even democracy. It is clear that ancient democracy was significantly different from today's, for example, anyone who owned property within the polis (even a former slave) could become a citizen, and not only someone who received citizenship by right of blood. Slaves, by the way, were perceived more as family members, were relatively autonomous and could even have their own funds, so their situation was quite tolerable. However, if we take the relationship of the current formation, i.e. capitalism, to the model of universal democracy, where one voter has one vote and this vote is equivalent regardless of the property status of the citizen, then for capitalism such a model is unnatural, since it has a completely different principle: how many shares of capital you have - so many votes. The irony is that it was the struggle for political rights that once allowed capitalism to establish itself as the dominant formation, but whoever remembers the past will...
                    1. +1
                      21 June 2024 17: 44
                      The main democratic deception of our time is that democracy is the right to vote and nothing more. Democracy is the right to be elected and the right to govern, and here all these millions of plebs collapse into a very limited circle of people with money. And now democracy is St. George’s Day, when slaves can choose their master
              2. +1
                22 June 2024 03: 21
                Quote: Dante
                Electors vote for the President, and Americans vote directly for senators and congressmen. Moreover, both the Senate and Congress can

                That's why I see that in such elections to the Senate and Congress, many congressmen are much older than Biden and hang out more often than he does and walk with difficulty. And some are even carried to work there in their arms.
          2. +5
            21 June 2024 10: 35
            An idea is not a stew, you can’t pour it into a trough

            ...the party of Zyuganov, the party of Yavlinsky, the party of “beer lovers” and the late Zhirinovsky... what is this if not a “stew”.)
            1. +4
              21 June 2024 10: 47
              Quote from Egeni
              the party of "beer lovers" and the late Zhirinovsky...

              Party of Lovers of the Late Zhirinovsky laughing PLPZH. Do you propose to rename the LDPR this way?
              1. +3
                21 June 2024 10: 51
                Alex, don’t be blasphemous, I liked Volfovich until he became rude to one young journalist, I just forgot the name of the successor.)
        2. +6
          21 June 2024 09: 18
          And the idea is a thing fundamentally inaccessible to any stinking plebs, ever and in any country. An idea is not a stew, you can’t pour it into a trough

          One well-known writer of his time, who realized a lot about “this” life and its laws, would disagree with you. Here's what he wrote:

          I moved among people of high standing - preachers, politicians, businessmen, scientists and journalists. I ate with them, drank with them, traveled with them and studied them... If life was felt in anyone, then it was a life of decay; if someone was active, then his deeds were vile; the rest were simply unburied dead - unsullied and majestic, like well-preserved mummies, but lifeless.

          I knew people who in words advocated peace, but in reality handed out weapons to detectives so that they would kill striking workers; people who screamed foaming at the mouth about the barbarity of boxing, and were themselves guilty of falsifying products, from which more children die every year than bloody Herod had on his conscience.

          I talked with industrial magnates in hotels, clubs and mansions, in sleeping cars and in steamship cabins, and I was amazed at the meagerness of their requests. At the same time, I saw how monstrously developed their minds were, absorbed in the interests of business. I also realized that in everything related to business, their morality was zero...

          And then there is a huge mass - helpless and passive, but morally pure. She sinned not calculatedly or arbitrarily, but because of her passivity and ignorance, putting up with the prevailing immorality and benefiting from it. If she were conscious and active, she would not be ignorant and would refuse to share in the profits obtained by robbery and deceit.

          I felt disgusted with life in the mezzanine where the state rooms are located. My mind was bored, my heart was yearning. And I remembered my friends - intellectuals, dreamers, defrocked priests, professors thrown out onto the streets, honest, conscientious workers...

          And I returned to the working class into which I was born and to which I belonged. I don't want to climb up anymore. The lush mansions above my head do not seduce me. The foundation of a public building is what attracts me. Here I want to work, lean on the lever, hand in hand, shoulder to shoulder with intellectuals, dreamers and conscientious workers, and, keeping a watchful eye on what is happening in the upper floors, shake the building that towers above the foundation. The day will come when we will have enough hands and levers for our cause and we will topple this building along with all its rot, unburied dead, monstrous self-interest and dirty mercenary activities. And then we will clear the basements and build a new home for humanity, in which there will be no chambers for the elite, where all the rooms will be spacious and bright and where you can breathe clean and life-giving air.

          This is how I see the future. I look forward and believe that the time will come when something more worthy and sublime than the thought of the stomach will guide the development of man, when a higher stimulus than the need to fill the belly - and this is precisely the stimulus of today - will impel man to action.

          I maintain faith in the nobility and greatness of man.

          I believe that purity and unselfishness of spirit will defeat the all-consuming greed that prevails today.

          And finally - I believe in the working class. As one Frenchman said: “The staircase of time is constantly shaking with wooden shoes going up and polished boots going down.”
          1. 0
            29 June 2024 10: 13
            Which dreamer-writer you quote has these thoughts? And one more thing. Today we have "few real wild ones", that is, ideological ones, the trough triumphs both in huts and in palaces.
            1. 0
              30 June 2024 08: 37
              Which visionary writer do you quote from these reflections?

              John Griffith Cheney, better known by his pseudonym Jack London. Essay "How I became a socialist"
              1. 0
                14 July 2024 14: 27
                better known to us under the pseudonym Jack London

                London is not a pseudonym, but the surname of his stepfather. Cheney's dad abandoned his son.
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      3. +1
        21 June 2024 09: 29
        Quote: mark1
        Do the plebs have options (we don’t consider the option “with a saber drawn, senselessly and mercilessly”)?

        This is a system, your version will bring exactly the same families to power and nothing will change in the end, except that along the way some things will shrink in size, and some will simply get lost. You don't have to look far for an example. Ukraine with a sword is completely changing, but to no avail. It only gets worse.
        1. +1
          21 June 2024 09: 48
          Quote: qqqq
          your option

          This is not my choice.
          Prokop_Pork
          Don't make me extremist.

          Try to see what is written, and not what you want to see
      4. +2
        21 June 2024 17: 10
        Mark 1! Remember the classics about those who conceive, implement, and enjoy the fruits of revolution. The revolution is meaningless, and now, among other things, it is also dangerous for the integrity of the country.
    2. +7
      21 June 2024 06: 05
      [It is noteworthy that Pankov’s successor is not in Putin’s decree – neither]
      .... and read such errors!
      Author! So is it still a receiver or a successor?
      1. +6
        21 June 2024 08: 27
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        .... and read such errors!
        Author! So is it still a receiver or a successor?


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    3. -2
      21 June 2024 06: 18
      Quote: Prokop_Svinin
      The plebs can only watch from the sidelines the movement among the family clans of the celestials.

      And when did the plebs have other options?
      1. +5
        21 June 2024 06: 32
        The choice is small. Rule of law: money buys power; power state: the authorities take the money and everything else.
        1. +10
          21 June 2024 07: 29
          The choice is small. Rule of law: money buys power; power state: the authorities take the money and everything else.

          Everything is yours, the rest is the law....
        2. +2
          21 June 2024 09: 52
          Quote: Prokop_Svinin
          Rule of law: money buys power; power state: the authorities take the money and everything else.

          In both cases, the role of the plebs is the same...
          But there is a third option - when the means of production are not in private hands, but are socialized! To put it in your language, all the money is in power....
          1. 0
            21 June 2024 09: 56
            Each hut has its own rattles.
          2. +2
            21 June 2024 19: 19
            Soon a fourth option will be possible, and money and power will be in the hands of robots
            1. +1
              22 June 2024 05: 52
              Quote: t7310
              Soon a fourth option will be possible, and money and power will be in the hands of robots

              When will AI take over? Well, if it is REAL Artificial Intelligence, and not the psychotic senile Skynet from the Terminator... Then most likely he will set the task of building an ideal, fair society where from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs laughing That is, the AI ​​will be a Marxist and establish a communist dictatorship! am
    4. +9
      21 June 2024 06: 49
      The plebs can only watch from the sidelines the movement among the family clans of the celestials.


      Well said.

      The plebs can only watch from the sidelines for the emergence of the princely class during the thirty-year transition of the Russian Federation from a social (communal) system to a clan-bourgeois one.
      1. +4
        21 June 2024 10: 59
        So Naryshkin Sr. once said that they are the new nobility. All that remains is to roll up to St. George's Day. And the Ecumenical Council, which will enshrine the new titles. Like Duke Naryshkin and Connoisseur Serdyukov.
        1. +5
          21 June 2024 13: 01
          I wonder what Tsar Ivan would have done if his commanders had decided not to build stables and would have exhibited their horses in the open air?
    5. +15
      21 June 2024 07: 32
      Golden youth is growing among the elite! Talented! Not like those who were not asked to give birth.
    6. +3
      21 June 2024 07: 41
      Well, why just watch)) everyone who is quicker than Khatynka has found themselves far from their homeland closer to the patriots in power
    7. -1
      21 June 2024 07: 58
      Prokopa Pork from the plebs to the kingdom!
      1. +1
        21 June 2024 16: 17
        If only in Ghetmany)))
  3. +5
    21 June 2024 05: 07
    smile For every major official or deputy, our secret service (you know which one) from a certain moment creates a special folder where all the information about his life is neatly stored... what, where, when, with whom, to what extent... all the little things, right down to his mistress in some fly-anthill.
    Some officials do not understand that all this will one day be used against them if they do not do what the supreme demands of them. request
    Time after time I see similar stories in our wonderful state.
    1. +3
      21 June 2024 05: 35
      Time after time I see similar stories in our wonderful state.

      Only in ours?
      1. +8
        21 June 2024 05: 53
        Only in ours?

        Our state has its own Features of the national hunt of special services for bribe takers and thieves.
        1. +2
          21 June 2024 10: 26
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Our state has its own peculiarities of the national intelligence services' hunt for bribe-takers and thieves.

          laughing What is it like ? belay First they are milked, then sold as glass containers? recourse
        2. +3
          21 June 2024 11: 14
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Our state has its own peculiarities of the national intelligence services' hunt for bribe-takers and thieves.

          There is no need to pass off world practice as a special national path. smile
          With our eastern neighbor, for example, everything is exactly the same - an official can steal, take bribes - but all this goes to daddy. As long as the group in which this official is embedded is in power or is aligned with the current leaders, he can get away with everything. But as soon as this group deviates from the general line of the party and is criticized by its comrades, organizational conclusions immediately follow. For example, the ex-mayor of Guangzhou is arrested; during a search, he completely unexpectedly wink 13,5 tons of gold are found, accumulated over years of blameless service.
    2. +12
      21 June 2024 06: 55
      Some officials do not understand that all this will one day be used against them if they do not do what the supreme demands of them.

      Everyone understands everything perfectly. Both an official and a guarantor.
      How many officials were imprisoned? Ulyukaev and several governors (maybe I forgot who, I’m too lazy to look for them).
      Where is Chubais? Where is this red-haired CIA officer who has been destroying Russia since 1991, and the guarantor supported him?
      Where is Serdyukov, who destroyed military schools, the army and, accordingly, the military-industrial complex?
      And our guarantor supported him, and told us fairy tales about American partners, and that we were not going to fight with anyone.
      Etc. You can list them here until the evening.
      1. +1
        21 June 2024 09: 02
        “Where is Serdyukov, who destroyed military schools, the army and, accordingly, the military-industrial complex?”
        As where? Here, the Author himself writes:
        “True, there are options here too. For example, ex-Minister of Defense Serdyukov, despite all the scandals and some time after his dismissal, turned out to be useful at the United Aircraft Corporation, and since 2019 he has been working as vice-president of the Union of Russian Mechanical Engineers.”
        1. +1
          21 June 2024 10: 51
          Since 2019, he has been working as vice-president of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia.

          And he should be in prison.
          1. +1
            21 June 2024 12: 12
            I agree, he should, but who will imprison him...
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      2. +2
        21 June 2024 11: 20
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        Where is Serdyukov, who destroyed military schools, the army and, accordingly, the military-industrial complex?

        Yeah... he destroyed the army and the military-industrial complex so much that Serdyukov’s orders went to the army until the 20s. Even now, our armed forces mostly fight with Serdyukov’s weapons and equipment.
        The army was destroyed not by Serdyukov, but by those penny-pinchers and pseudo-patriots who turned Makarov’s reform into a circus with ponies, filling the permanent readiness brigades with conscripts and framing their rear.
      3. 0
        22 June 2024 03: 28
        Everyone understands everything perfectly. Both an official and a guarantor.
        How many officials were imprisoned?

        Judging by your revealing pathos, you live in Ashdod. Or in Haifa?
  4. +14
    21 June 2024 05: 15
    I’m scared for MO, you know, like in the joke, my friend and I sat down to play chess, we turned the board both hourly and counterclockwise, only the color of the pieces changed, but the pieces remained the same. You read the articles, all of them are masters and professionals in their field, but after 10 years, all of them are bribe-takers and incompetent people. And now, out of all the recruits, none inspires my trust. It’s better not to mention this at all about the Tsivilevs, some here were mainly involved in renaming, and the wives held women’s forums, and then they realized that in the foundations they could do the same thing, only with the military and the career rocket took off. And it’s just like some kind of game of thrones, well, if, of course, you throw out everything interesting from there, everything in general, and all the roles would be played by the same few actors, and they would play poorly, we’ve been playing Santa Barbara for more than 30 years, and we can still play it out .....
    1. -3
      21 June 2024 07: 16
      some kind, well, if, of course, you throw out everything interesting from there, everything in general, and all the roles would be played by the same few actors, and they would play poorly, we’ve been playing Santa Barbara for more than 30 years, and we can still play it out.....
      - How many years did they move Voroshilov from place to place?
      1. +3
        21 June 2024 08: 21
        You forgot to add that he had a dacha in the Alps and accounts in a Swiss bank.
        1. -2
          21 June 2024 08: 42
          You forgot to add that he had a dacha in the Alps and accounts in a Swiss bank.
          - And you are only embarrassed by the house in the Alps?
          That is, if the current ones were like Voroshilov - but WITHOUT a dacha in the Alps - then everything would be fine????

          What difference does it make to the devil that he was naked - if he ruined the work of the People's Commissariat of Defense?
          If with him “the rifles in some parts were uncleaned for several years and, due to rust, were not suitable for shooting (not literally)?!!
          If he was with him shortage 300 tanks and 520 armored vehicles?
          Remove the word "Voroshilov"from the context and you first they would shout behind the tanks - “Vorye! Impale him!!”
          Return “Voroshilov” back - and you will immediately write “Well, he didn’t steal it!!! There are no accounts in Switzerland!! He’s just stupid, it happened to him like that by accident...”

          Z. Y.
          Let me modestly remind you about Yasha Sverdlov’s safe and the unknown where the money from the epic with steam locomotives went.....
          1. +3
            21 June 2024 10: 11
            It’s funny how they yell, they’re not stupid. But how skillfully they optimized Russia. By the way, why did you write so enthusiastically about Voroshilov, you can also write about the recently departed minister.
            1. -2
              21 June 2024 11: 31
              By the way, why did you write so enthusiastically about Voroshilov, you can also write about the recently departed minister.

              and there documents that under him, 300 tanks and 520 armored vehicles disappeared somewhere? And what about without war?
              As soon as such documents appear, I will immediately express my opinion strongly negative opinion.

              In the meantime, as a former warrant officer and customs officer, I know too well how labels are applied
      2. +7
        21 June 2024 08: 33
        - How many years did they move Voroshilov from place to place?


        Can't you live without spitting in the USSR?

        Kliment Efremovich Voroshilov is a People's Hero in the State of Workers.
        "...From the age of 6, Klim tended cattle, collected coal impurities, worked as a lubricator of coal machines in the mines of the Slavyanoserbsk district, where his family moved for permanent residence. The daily wage ranged from 8 to 10 kopecks..."

        Voroshilov is a representative of the people, a native of the people.
        The same cannot be said about the current appointees.
        1. -3
          21 June 2024 08: 48
          Voroshilov is a representative of the people, a native of the people.
          - and this indulgence Now??!!!
          Won ...
          It doesn’t matter what, urak is the main thing among the people?
          Well then right away the second write it out to M.S. Gorbachev. He was also one of the people, not a ministerial/trading/banking son, yeah..
          Combine operator, collective farmer, peasant, native of the people....
          1. +5
            21 June 2024 08: 54
            ...Well then immediately write out the second one - to M.S. Gorbachev. ...


            In any society there have always been Heroes and there have been Traitors.
            1. -3
              21 June 2024 09: 07
              In any society there have always been Heroes and there have been Traitors.
              That is, “coming from the people” - as a positive characteristic - disappears immediately?
              What does it have to do with it then? "spit in the USSR" - if Voroshilov is real documented feel zero without a stick and a donut hole?
              You'll have to decide - otherwise you'll get very double standards
              1. +9
                21 June 2024 09: 33
                You'll have to decide - otherwise you'll get very double standards


                Dear, I decided a long time ago.

                I was born in the USSR, raised, educated, served in the SA, worked, got married,... . There was something I didn’t like, but most of my memories of the USSR are associated with bright images.

                I appeal to you once and for all: no matter what negative things you tell me about the USSR, no matter what nasty things you find in the socialist system, for me the USSR is the best state in the world.
                1. 0
                  21 June 2024 11: 26
                  I appeal to you once and for all: no matter what negative things you say to me about the USSR, no matter what nasty things you look for in the socialist system, for me the USSR is the best state in the world. - and no one argues with this. The state was the best; power was as usual in Rus'.
                  And yes, closing my eyes to all the bad things that happened INSTEAD correcting this - the USSR was ruined.

                  It was necessary not to pray for bright images (with eyes closed) - but at least try to correct it.
                  And then they kept saying, “No one forgot,” and unburied soldiers lay in the fields and those fields were plowed.
                  They didn’t even bother to calculate losses with an accuracy of at least 100 over 000 years....
              2. +5
                21 June 2024 10: 36
                Quote: your1970
                if Voroshilov really documented feeling zero without a stick and a donut hole?

                Voroshilov, by the way, was a good People’s Commissar of Defense before the war, and during the war he proved himself to be a fairly competent commander, unlike modern Chaldeans.
                1. -3
                  21 June 2024 11: 18
                  Voroshilov, by the way, was a good People’s Commissar of Defense before the war, Read documents acceptance of the People's Commissariat of Defense.
                  I gave examples from the times Voroshilov ruled the People's Commissariat - with 300 tanks lost and rifles uncleaned to the point of being impossible to fire.
                  1. +8
                    21 June 2024 11: 22
                    Quote: your1970
                    I gave examples from the times Voroshilov ruled the People's Commissariat - with 300 tanks lost and rifles uncleaned to the point of being impossible to fire.

                    This is bullshit. Look, they can’t find trillions of dollars worth of property in the Pentagon. But if the USSR had prepared for war in the thirties as shamefully as Russia prepared for war with Ukraine, then the Germans would have been in Leningrad in two weeks, and in Moscow in a month.
                    1. -2
                      21 June 2024 11: 44
                      But if the USSR had prepared for war in the thirties as shamefully as Russia prepared for war with Ukraine, then the Germans would have been in Leningrad in two weeks, and in Moscow in a month
                      Well, in general, the time frame was not much longer...
                      The USSR was a thousand times simpler - they sold everything to it. Actually everything...
                      Try buying a tractor plant in the US now, yeah yeah. Or five - like the USSR...
                      In principle, they did not see him as a competitor.
                      1. +7
                        21 June 2024 12: 33
                        Quote: your1970
                        Well, in general, the time frame was not much longer...

                        You will be surprised, but the Germans never entered either Moscow or Leningrad.

                        Quote: your1970
                        Try to buy a tractor factory in the USA now, yeah yeah. Or five - like the USSR...

                        You could buy at least fifty tractor factories in China without any problems, yeah yeah. And, unlike the USSR, there was more than enough money for this, yeah yeah. But your owners, unlike the USSR, invested money not in factories, but in offshore companies. Sure sure.
                      2. -4
                        21 June 2024 15: 46
                        You will be surprised, but the Germans never entered either Moscow or Leningrad.
                        And now Ukraine has apparently entered? Since everything is so bad with us now and everything is stolen?

                        You could buy at least fifty tractor factories in China without any problems, yeah yeah.
                        That is, you don’t catch the difference between buying from the USA then - leaders in tractor manufacturing then and buying now from China - still NOT a trendsetter in tractor manufacturing?
                      3. +5
                        21 June 2024 16: 19
                        Quote: your1970
                        And now Ukraine has apparently entered? Since everything is so bad with us now and everything is stolen?

                        What, Ukraine attacked us? Having previously defeated Poland, England and France?

                        Quote: your1970
                        That is, you don’t catch the difference between buying from the USA then - leaders in tractor manufacturing then and buying now from China - still NOT a trendsetter in tractor manufacturing?

                        Wonderful Chaldean logic. Since China is not a legislator, it means we won’t invest in factories. We will invest the stolen goods in leading London real estate.
              3. +5
                21 June 2024 12: 07
                And compared to which of your generals, enemies of the USSR, Voroshilov is “zero without a stick”? Why are you so fond of criticizing Soviet communists and their supporters, and are you so afraid to compare yourself with them?
                And why haven't you been able to get rid of the Soviet communists for 33 years? Is it your inferiority complex that you absolutely have to portray them as bad, in order to at least portray yourself as better than them?
                1. -2
                  21 June 2024 12: 21
                  And compared to which of your generals, enemies of the USSR, Voroshilov is “zero without a stick”? Read SOVIET documents for accepting the transfer of the People's Commissariat - it is written there in Russian that "Comrade Voroshilov pooped the People's Commissariat and is generally a bastard."
                  1. +5
                    21 June 2024 12: 23
                    Which is what needed to be proven. You, enemies of the USSR, CANNOT prove that any of you are better than the Soviet communists and their supporters.
                    1. 0
                      21 June 2024 19: 42
                      You, enemies of the USSR, cannot prove that at least one of you is better than the Soviet communists

                      They weren’t talking about worse or better, they were talking about the fact that it had always been about the same, which is not surprising - the people are the same
        2. +2
          21 June 2024 12: 10
          Quote: AA17
          Can't you live without spitting in the USSR?

          Kliment Efremovich Voroshilov is a People's Hero in the State of Workers.
          "...From the age of 6, Klim tended cattle, collected coal impurities, worked as a lubricator of coal machines in the mines of the Slavyanoserbsk district, where his family moved for permanent residence. The daily wage ranged from 8 to 10 kopecks..."

          Does this somehow cancel the complete collapse of the Red Army under Comrade Voroshilov? If it were not for the cult of the “first red officer” and the decline in repression, then, based on the results of the SFV, the former People’s Commissar would have been prescribed nine grams. Fortunately, there was no need to even draw up an indictment - they would have simply rolled over the “Act on the acceptance of the People’s Commissariat of Defense of the USSR by S.K. Timoshenko from K.E. Voroshilov.”
          Quote: AA17
          Voroshilov is a representative of the people, a native of the people.

          And what's the point?
          2. The army has up to 1080 titles of existing regulations, manuals and manuals. The main regulations - Field Service, Internal Service, Disciplinary and some combat regulations of the military branches are outdated and require radical revision. Missing: instructions for driving large military formations (armies), instructions for the attack and defense of fortified areas and instructions for the actions of troops in the mountains.
          (...)
          3. Most military units exist on temporary staffs not approved by the People's Commissar.

          1. By the time of the acceptance and surrender of the People’s Commissariat of Defense, there was no operational war plan, operational plans, both general and private, were not developed and lacked.
          The General Staff has no data on the state of covering the borders. The decisions of the military councils of the districts, armies and the front on this issue are unknown to the General Staff.

          1. The People’s Commissariat does not have an accurately established actual strength of the Red Army at the time of admission. Due to the fault of the Main Directorate of the Red Army, personnel records are in an extremely neglected state.

          2. The People's Commissariat of Defense has not yet eliminated the following shortcomings of the mobilization plan, an autopsy during partial mobilization in September 1939:
          a) the extreme neglect of accounting for military reserves, because re-registration has not been carried out since 1927;

          3. There are 3 untrained people in the reserve. The People's Commissariat of Defense does not have a training plan for them.

          The main shortcomings in the training of troops are:
          1) The low training of the middle command staff in the company link is a platoon and the especially weak training of the junior command staff.
          2) Weak tactical training in all types of combat and reconnaissance, especially small units.
          3) Poor practical field training of troops and their inability to perform what is required in a combat situation.
          4) Extremely poor training of military branches in interaction on the battlefield: infantry does not know how to cling to the fire shaft and break away from it, artillery does not know how to support tanks, aviation does not know how to interact with ground troops.
          5) The troops are not trained in skiing.
          6) The use of camouflage worked out poorly.
          7) The troops have not worked out fire control.
          8) The troops are not trained in attacking fortified areas, building and overcoming barriers and forcing rivers.

          Etc.

          An excellent document for alternativeists who want to fight the Reich in 1940. smile
          1. -1
            21 June 2024 12: 25
            There, 1 point is enough for execution
            1. The People’s Commissariat does not have an accurately established actual strength of the Red Army at the time of admission. Accounting personnel due to the fault of the Main Directorate of the Red Army is in an extremely neglected state.
            - I wonder if dead souls were also paid a salary?
            Or maybe the theft there was worse than the current one?
            1. 0
              21 June 2024 15: 41
              Well l/s okay - in 1939-1940 there was a hellish leapfrog with deployments, the Polish campaign with its BUS, SEF, conscription and dismissal of reserves, etc. Although, in the 3 months of peacetime after the SEF, the NPO could have been concerned with finding out the actual presence of people in the Armed Forces.
              But where did Kliment Efremovich’s department put 279 LT, 404 PT and 382 BA, which according to all documents were in the army?
              Missing:
              "BT-7" - 96 vehicles
              "BT-2" - 34 vehicles
              "BT-5" - 46 vehicles
              "T-26" - 103 vehicles
              "T-38" - 193 vehicles
              "T-37" - 211 vehicles
              "T-27" - 780 vehicles
              "BA-10" - 94 vehicles
              "BA-6" - 54 vehicles
              FAI - 234 cars ...
              The raised archival material from 1929 on the registration, special dispatch and write-off of combat vehicles did not give a significant change in reducing the shortage, since the write-off of combat vehicles was not carried out until 1936.
              The number of decommissioned machines, for example, "T-27" - 26 pieces, is clearly not true, since the production of these machines began in 1931 and in 10 years this figure should undoubtedly be much higher ...
              © Ulanov / Shein
          2. +8
            21 June 2024 12: 51
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Does this somehow cancel the complete collapse of the Red Army under Comrade Voroshilov?

            Collapse is when you receive it in good condition and leave it in poor condition. lol

            Most of what Voroshilov is accused of as People's Commissar of Defense are growth problems. Under him, the army and defense industry were created virtually from scratch. At the same time, having such an interesting personality as Tukhachevsky as the main military thinker. Just because they managed to get rid of Tukhachevsky and the other Gamarnikovs before the start of the war, monuments need to be erected to everyone involved in this deliverance.
            1. 0
              21 June 2024 15: 23
              Quote: DenVB
              Most of what Voroshilov is accused of as People's Commissar of Defense are growth problems.

              What's your height? The RCAA practically did not grow until 1938 - the country did not have money. The maximum is the translation of territories into a frame.
              What prevented the adoption of new Charters 10 years before the army began to grow? What growing problems prevented the revision of the Disciplinary Charter, which in fact did not exist at all (the Regulations were signed in 1925 and were designed for the Red Army of that time)?
              BATOV. By this I want to say that the sense of responsibility among our soldiers and commanders must be increased in every possible way and adjustments must be made in terms of responsibility to our disciplinary charter. Today, our fighters are predominantly of the age of the October Revolution, which creates for us every opportunity to cope with these tasks.
              VOTE. In other words, comrade Batov, we need a disciplinary charter, which we do not have now.
              BATS. That's right, which we don’t have right now.
              STALIN. There is no such charter?
              BATS. We do not have.
              VOTE. There is a disciplinary charter of 1925, signed by Bubnov.
              STALIN. Ay, ah, ah, how do you endure this?
              © Meeting on the results of the Special Economic Fund.
              What was stopping you from sorting out 1400 temporary staffing and connection sheets? Who prevented you from drawing up plans for the retraining of three million reserve workers?
              And yes, at least one inventory count could have been carried out in 12 years?
              extreme neglect of the accounting of those liable for military service, since re-registration has not been carried out since 1927;

              This one especially delivers:
              The General Staff has no information about the state of border coverage. The decisions of the military councils of the districts, armies and front on this issue are unknown to the General Staff.

              That is, army brain has no connection with the districts and does not know what they are planning there. And the growth of the army has nothing to do with this.
              1. +3
                21 June 2024 16: 58
                Quote: Alexey RA
                What's your height? The RCAA practically did not grow until 1938 - the country did not have money. The maximum is the translation of territories into a frame.

                How many tanks did the Red Army have in 1926 and how many in 1938? How many planes? And, most importantly, how many factories were there to produce both? But the People’s Commissar’s task, first and foremost, is to provide the army with weapons. And the conflicts with Tukhachevsky were precisely because of this - either immediately produce hundreds of thousands of tanks, or develop an industry that would produce tanks when they were needed. Voroshilov (and Stalin, who stood behind him) was a supporter of the second approach. And this, I think, is to our happiness. Otherwise we would have met

                Quote: Alexey RA
                What growing problems prevented the revision of the Disciplinary Charter, which in fact did not exist at all (the Regulations were signed in 1925 and were designed for the Red Army of that time)?

                He and Tukhachevsky also had conflicts regarding the regulations. And in general, when assessing the results of Voroshilov’s activities as People’s Commissar of Defense, the “Tukhachevsky factor” must be constantly taken into account. After all, this was not just a personal squabble. And they weren’t in conflict over cutting the budget. It was an ideological confrontation between two powerful military-political groups. Such a “tower war” in which both groups were not averse to physically destroying their opponents. Stalin and Voroshilov were the first to arrive. Again, I think it’s fortunate for us.
      3. +4
        21 June 2024 10: 30
        Quote: your1970
        - How many years did they move Voroshilov from place to place?

        Again old Chaldean songs about the main thing.
        - Everything is bad! We need to do something about this!
        - There is no need to do anything! It was bad in the USSR too!
        1. +6
          21 June 2024 12: 09
          And also the favorite thing of the enemies of the USSR, “and this happened in the USSR, we are still sorting it out.”
  5. fiv
    +2
    21 June 2024 05: 16
    Every vegetable has its time. It always sounds good at first.
    1. +4
      21 June 2024 07: 09
      Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
      They are from pullets. But they grow up without a mother. For meat.


      Life
  6. +2
    21 June 2024 05: 24

    “Fonbet” could raise some money on long-term bets, you know, with those around you.
  7. +4
    21 June 2024 05: 52
    We exchange the awl for soap.
    Once again.
  8. Elk
    +11
    21 June 2024 06: 10
    “This is President Putin’s man, the son of the director of the Foreign Intelligence Service and Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov.”
    They gave me my father’s surname, or maybe my mother’s – Naryshkin. And BB was probably holding a candle :)
  9. +17
    21 June 2024 06: 22
    And again the tsar is good, these are the boyars who are bad, I don’t understand how the colleagues of the same conventional Ivanov did not see on what scale he lived, such nonsense, it’s just time for scapegoats
  10. +13
    21 June 2024 06: 23
    In the European Union, a gynecologist does not work in his specialty, we are a psychiatrist, we are neck and neck
  11. +1
    21 June 2024 06: 38
    Why are you whining...? The black swan has arrived, everything is fine.
    It’s a pity, of course, that they won’t touch this connoisseur of beauties, but... Who knows. Maybe his time will come, no matter how little it seems.
  12. +12
    21 June 2024 06: 40
    Some kind of Brazilian TV series, the most important thing is who, when, with whom studied, got married, was born and so on and so forth and it doesn't matter about abilities and specialized education. Somehow, in connection with such a number of civilians, is it legitimate to call this ministry the Ministry of Defense? Maybe leave the General Staff for the military, and transform this association into "military quartermasters", perhaps that would be more accurate, huh? laughing
    1. +3
      21 June 2024 07: 07
      My deputy company in 87 explained it to me like this: the supply manager and supply managers, and the general manager determines military affairs
    2. -6
      21 June 2024 07: 25
      I don’t care about abilities and specialized education. With so many civilians, how is it right to call this ministry the Ministry of Defense? Well, let’s say all the marshals of the USSR had specialized education and combat experience.
      And how did this help the USSR - when these big-faced hippopotamuses, obliged to defend the USSR, withered their faces and said: “We didn’t have an order!! And without an order we are fools!”???
      What difference does it make whether they had military education or not if the USSR is gone?
      Let them have a 1st grade school and sign with a cross - if it would save the USSR.
      And so everyone is smart, well-trained, and they pooped the country.....

      And yes-y builder belay Beria had neither a Ministry of Internal Affairs education nor a physical education. Nevertheless, I coped with both tasks
  13. +5
    21 June 2024 07: 16
    I was glad about Shevtsova's resignation... but for some reason there is no "bright future" in sight - they have trained a SERIOUS ALREADY!
  14. +5
    21 June 2024 08: 09
    "History repeats itself twice: the first time as a tragedy, the second as a farce"
  15. +8
    21 June 2024 08: 32
    Just like in Central Asia. Everyone is their own, even though they are not specialists.
  16. -2
    21 June 2024 08: 48
    First, she is the wife of the current Minister of Energy Sergei Tsivilev.

    Personally, the leadership of the region by Sergei Tsivilev gave me confidence that there are people in the country who are capable of changing the appearance of even the hopelessly outdated architecture of the city.
    Every time I remember with the kind words of those who built the embankment and the very bike path I ride on. And the monument-memorial to the Soldier-Liberator became a striking landmark of the city.
    * * *
    People should work where they can do it better and with greater benefit to society.
    1. +2
      21 June 2024 17: 02
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Personally, the leadership of the region by Sergei Tsivilev gave me confidence that there are people in the country who are capable of changing the appearance of even the hopelessly outdated architecture of the city.
      Every time I remember with the kind words of those who built the embankment and the very bike path I ride on.

      The idea is good: Sobyanin for president, Tsivilev for prime minister. The whole country will be on bike paths. And everything is rolled up in five layers of paving slabs, from Crimea to Vladivostok.
      1. 0
        21 June 2024 17: 52
        Quote: DenVB
        The whole country will be on bike paths. And everything is rolled up in five layers of paving slabs, from Crimea to Vladivostok.

        Yes, I don’t care about inflated ideas. Under Tuleyev, the street was paved every year. Krasnoarmeyskaya and every morning they met his motorcade from the dacha...
        This is what Moskovskaya Square looks like today:
        1. +1
          21 June 2024 18: 49
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Yes, I don’t care about inflated ideas.

          So we spit in all directions.
  17. +5
    21 June 2024 08: 59
    “It is noteworthy that the block of direct leaders of the course of events in the Northern Military District has not yet been affected by the reforms. It is difficult to guess from the tea leaves, but this may mean that both the President of Russia and Minister Belousov are generally satisfied with the progress of the special operation.”
    A curtain. From the entire short article, it was possible to write only this and not describe the possible “forks” of the careers of officials.
  18. -2
    21 June 2024 10: 27
    We'll see... As they also say in the former Russian city of Odessa.... "You can't count your chickens before they hatch..." And the military autumn of 2024 is just around the corner....
  19. +6
    21 June 2024 12: 31
    I didn't notice anything innovative.
    Some are exchanged for others, who are someone's relatives, friends, children, wives.
  20. +6
    21 June 2024 13: 10
    There is such a children's toy - a kaleidoscope, you turn it - and the picture becomes completely different. Only you can’t add pieces of glass to it - it’s a closed system. And you can’t take it apart - the picture will disappear completely.
  21. 0
    21 June 2024 14: 31
    Good health to all. “By profession: psychiatrist,” smart psychiatrists are capable of a lot. Any leader needs to work in a team, and it means a lot how he or she will position himself as a leader.
    So, they made me the senior procedural, and I honestly told the girls, “I’m not the boss before. Help, so that they don’t get eaten up,” and something like 2+2 can become.
  22. +5
    21 June 2024 18: 04
    The scene is the same - the circus
    Action, the same - change of scenery
    The characters are all new, but all their own
    The director is the same - a brilliant chess judoka
    The result is the same.
  23. +3
    21 June 2024 22: 31
    “For example, ex-Minister of Defense Serdyukov...” The example is not typical. stop It doesn’t matter who you are, the main thing is who your father-in-law is! lol hi
  24. +1
    21 June 2024 23: 37
    Quote: Dante
    , anyone who owned property within the policy (even a former slave) could become a citizen.

    There is no need to bear the blizzard, even a simple visitor, even with money, could not become a citizen. Stop fantasizing.
  25. +2
    22 June 2024 00: 30
    Well, yes, well, yes... the gynecologist over the hill was answered with a psychiatrist here...
  26. +1
    22 June 2024 00: 44
    Ay! Rearranging beds. Just like in the government. Vladimir Vladimirovich does not give up his own. Liberal Caudla continues to rule.
  27. 0
    22 June 2024 02: 21
    But imagine how this whole shoblo/blead would now like to go somewhere to Florence or Cannes, like the good old days
    dishevel your blood-stolen property, rush across the azure waves... and here’s the bummer
    Their sour faces
    Something comes to their minds about soldiers in the trenches or barracks families
  28. +2
    22 June 2024 03: 44
    Here some people remembered the unsinkable minister Serdyukov in the comments. And I remember that during the gondii scandal of the Serdyukov-Vasiliev connection, some bold media wrote that Serdyukov did not come from the street, but that he is the legal son-in-law of an influential official who was once the prime minister. I hope it was not Viktor Zubkov. No one from the Zubkov clan entered the new MO clip?
  29. 0
    22 June 2024 07: 01
    Finally, Tanya Shevtsova got her butt kicked. Maybe over time everyone who was fired will be presented with something?
  30. +2
    22 June 2024 10: 09
    Analysts consider Oleg Savelyev, deputy minister and chief of staff of the department, to be a threat to all corrupt officials. As one of the senior officials of the Accounts Chamber, Savelyev was responsible for auditing defense, national security and law enforcement agencies.
    This is the one in which hundreds of billions of warriors were kidnapped. And this “auditor” could not understand who, how and when?
    Well, yes, he’s still a “thunderstorm of thieves.” Now thieves will be afraid that there will be so much stolen property that there will simply be nowhere to put it.
  31. 0
    22 June 2024 13: 42
    It is my firm belief that in Russia the Minister of Defense must be a career military man, a ground commander who has gone through all the steps from platoon commander to the very top. And everyone must work for the infantry, because it and only it decides the fate of the war. Even though I served in aviation all my life, this is true.
  32. 0
    22 June 2024 14: 36
    We must judge by deeds! Let's see how quickly the problem of 50 thousand homeless military personnel will be solved!!!
    By the way, the new Minister of Defense immediately warned military builders about liability, even criminal...
  33. 0
    24 June 2024 13: 10
    Everyone is pulling their own, no one was taken from the street...it's all sad
  34. PC
    0
    26 June 2024 04: 36
    Well, I just can’t understand how civilians can organize the activities of the Ministry of Defense?
  35. 0
    27 June 2024 11: 47
    “And you, friends, don’t sit down...” Unless they themselves are jailed!
  36. 0
    27 June 2024 19: 20
    Some words from Krylov’s fable come to mind: “... and no matter how you sit down, friends, you’re still not fit to be musicians.”
  37. -1
    30 June 2024 09: 38
    Everything is fine! Shevtsova was released, and she is already (attention!) in France. Is this a spit in the face of citizens from the Russian Defense Ministry?
    1. 0
      30 June 2024 23: 00
      Quote: Shefango
      Shevtsova was released, and she is already (attention!) in France
      Everything fits - there is no issue from Don!
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      2. 0
        30 June 2024 23: 09
        Or maybe over time everyone who was fired will be presented with something?
  38. +1
    4 August 2024 16: 52
    ...Analysts consider Oleg Savelyev, deputy minister and chief of staff of the department, to be the threat of all corrupt officials. As one of the senior officials of the Accounts Chamber, Savelyev was responsible for the defense audit...

    Here's another recent fact:
    https://dzen.ru/a/Zq2aHtu82mOum3yA

    After the appointment of Andrei Belousov to the post of Minister of Defense, an audit began in the department.{...}In his telegram channel, he said that 11 trillion rubles were stolen from the Russian budget under Shoigu’s rule.

    Now please explain to me how the first fact relates to the second, and what Oleg Savelyev did during the period of Shoigu’s leadership of the Ministry of Defense.

    Let’s say, as I understand the work of a certain agency, in which there is also a representative of a monitoring organization. There are, say, certain government orders for weapons, there are contractors and performers, there are tenders with their prices, deadlines and other small things. Well, who is preventing the control and audit system from selectively monitoring several contracts? and go through the entire execution chain, go to places, talk with shop managers, and watch the technical process on site. From the observations received, formulate a plan of specific activities (and there will be quite a few activities, believe me), comments and conclusions, and thereby save the state a lot of money and time!? The question is, of course, rhetorical. Of course, it’s easier to sit in your chair, without moving your butt, receive reports and pretend to be menacing, saying, wow, what an audit we have. Just like the production workers, lazily sniffing behind their ears, listen to the production director and... without fear, they go home. I have been to such meetings, and all this is familiar.
    Of course, someone will say, that’s how many auditors you need to have and how many people you need to rush around enterprises to stir things up.
    Yes, in fact, there is not so much to set the momentum and maintain it. Yes, somewhere you will have to attract people for this, yes, somewhere you will have to fire someone, yes, somewhere you will have to constantly keep your finger on the pulse and tease people and insert pills so that they do not fall into suspended animation. But this is all about increasing labor efficiency and control.
    Maybe I'm misunderstanding something? Or let it somehow happen on its own, at random!?
  39. +1
    11 August 2024 08: 13
    And no one from the Ministry of Defense officials will be held responsible for the Kursk region and its defense abroad.
  40. 0
    22 September 2024 04: 18
    Observing the thirty-year personnel reshuffle with the same people moving up and down, left and right, I have long since lost all illusions. And considering that the offspring of the "great" statesmen have begun to shine in the reshuffle, I conclude that the country has long lacked professional personnel who are ready to serve the interests of the state, and not the interests of the influence groups that have put them in charge of financial flows, or simply, trivially, to enrich themselves while at the "feeding trough". It is all sad. And the endless praises of Belousov and the almost weekly arrests and detentions of the bigwigs make us clutch our heads, because I believe that this shows us a drop in the ocean of the managerial catastrophe in the country.