The coastal defense battleship Admiral Ushakov in the Tsushima battle

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Twenty-five years have passed since the day of the Tsushima battle. Much lived, much experienced. The past years, and especially the events of the last fifteen years (war and revolution), have partly crossed out, and partly have smoothed out much of what was well known to the participants in this battle that eyewitnesses had heard and heard.

Based on this, I could not take the liberty to give not only a more or less detailed description of the Tsushima battle in general, but even in particular to describe in detail the actions of the coastal defense battleship Admiral Ushakov in this battle, and therefore I will limit myself to presenting some related episodes describing the understanding of military duty and the personal valor of the commander, officers and sailors of the battleship coastal defense Admiral Ushakov.

"Admiral Ushakov", walking the end ship of the wake column of battleships, at the very beginning of the battle on the fourteenth of May, due to a malfunction of one of the main machines, had to go in tow of the steamer "Svir". Having eliminated the fault and having given up the tug, they began to catch up with the squadron that had gone far ahead and was fighting.

The commander of the battleship captain 1 of rank Vladimir Nikolaevich Mikluha-Maclay, having seen ahead too, the leaning, burning, burning, showered with Japanese shells battleship Navarin, going to his left traverse, as if covering "Navarin", ordered to lock machines and open intensive fire on the enemy .

The commander of Navarin, the captain of 1 rank Baron Fitinghoff, coping with the heel and fire, shouted to our commander in a megaphone: “Thank you, Vladimir Nikolaevich! Go forth with God! "

At night, after the mine attacks of the Japanese destroyers, continuing to go according to the last signal of Admiral Rozhestvensky "Course NO 23 ° Vladivostok", "Admiral Ushakov", due to the short stroke, reduced to seven knots due to the strong trim on the nose from the holes received in the day battle, found himself at sea alone, behind the wake column consisting of the battleships Emperor Nicholas I (flag Admiral Nebogatov), ​​Oryol, General Admiral Apraksin and Admiral Senyavin.

Early in the morning, May 15, preparations were made for the burial of those killed in the day battle. The dead were laid on shkantsy, prepared canvas to wrap them and ballastina for cargo. Gathered officers and team. The requiem service began, but when on the horizon behind the stern the silhouettes of the four fast-moving Japanese cruisers, Matsushima, Itsukushima, Hashidate and Niytaka, appeared, the commander asked the priest, Hieromonk, Fr. Jonah hastened and shortened the funeral, since he did not doubt the inevitability of battle.

When the Japanese cruisers approached the distance of our fire, the commander ordered us to betray the dead to the sea and break through the battle alarm, to the sound of which, while singing: “Eternal memory” of the bodies of the dead, with tied ballastins were lowered into the sea.

Continuing to follow the same course, the Japanese cruisers marched northward without opening fire, which surprised us a lot, since, having a great advantage in strength, they, without a doubt, could very quickly do away with our battered battleship. Already on the Japanese Yakumo cruiser as prisoners, we found out from Japanese officers the reason for this unintelligible case: we were shown a map showing several courses diverging to the north from the Tsushima Strait, according to which the Japanese ships were to seek and pursue the remnants of the Russian squadron in case of its defeat. “You still could not go anywhere, we knew in what condition you were; those cruisers went to join the main forces, ”the Japanese officers told us.

At about 10 in the morning, the smoke of many ships was visible on the left, and a brief artillery cannonade was heard. Only after it became known to us that this was the surrender of vessels by Admiral Nebogatov.

Continuing to follow the course “NO 23 °” whenever possible, while dodging away from every smoke seen on the horizon, for about an hour or two in the afternoon, we saw about twenty Japanese ships on the horizon in front of us. It became clear that a breakthrough was impossible, and battle and death were inevitable. The commander turned from the enemy, from which two ships separated in pursuit of us. They began to prepare for the last battle: the projectiles of small rapid-fire guns left over from the reflection of nighttime mine attacks on the upper deck and on the bridge were thrown, rafts were made from logs to tie the wounded to them, rescue belts and berths were carried around the ship; the team and many officers changed into everything clean and new; one of the officers, the commander, coming out of his cabin, said: “He changed his clothes, even shaved, now you can die”.

The Japanese cruisers Iwate and Yakumo, going in a big way, converging course, were moving closer.

On the head of them was raised a long signal. On the battleship struck alarm. When the Japanese cruisers, being behind our right beam, were within the range of our guns (cable 63), the commander ordered a salvo. Cruisers did not respond to our fire. To our surprise, on the foremast of the lead cruiser "Iwate" we saw a large Russian commercial flag and that was all. then, after seeing the pennant of negotiations on the international code, we understood that the signal applies to us. When the commander was informed of the disassembled part of the signal: “I advise you to return your ship ...” and that there is also a continuation of the signal, the commander said: “Well, we don’t need to know the continuation of the signal,” ordered not to raise the response “to the spot” I see, ”so that, continuing to converge, the cruisers would come even closer. When the distance decreased to the possible reality of our fire, the commander ordered to raise the answer "to the spot", and with the descent it again open fire. The Japanese cruisers, taking advantage of their great advantage in the course and longer range of their guns, having gone beyond the reach of our shells, opened fire on the battleship. So began our last unequal battle.

Soon the battleship began to hit, holes appeared, fires broke out. Our shells lay hopelessly far from the enemy. A roll formed from the holes, which could not be leveled due to the broken pipes of the drain system. The list on the right side increased more and more, and because of the roll, the range of our projectiles decreased more and more; this circumstance was used by the Japanese cruisers, coming closer and closer to the battleship. Finally, as a consequence of the bank, conjuring both towers. One of the two 120-mm starboard guns was broken; lit projectiles gazebos on the upper deck. There was only one remaining 120-mm gun to encourage the team and ... "for fear of the enemy." The Japanese cruisers, seeing that our fire had almost completely ceased, coming very close, shot the battleship at close range with all their guns (on both cruisers eight 8 "and thirty 6"). Then the commander ordered the Kingston to be opened and the pipes of the circulating pumps blow up, and, without giving up “release”, allowed the team to escape “by ability”, rushing into the sea. All boats were broken or burned.

A mine officer, Lieutenant Boris Konstantinovich Zhdanov, helped the ship's doctor, Doctor Bodyansky, to tie the wounded to the rafts and berths behind the stern tower and lower them into the sea. When the doctor asked him: “And what do you have neither a belt nor a circle?”, Zhdanov replied: “I always told everyone that I would never be a captive!” Removing his cap, as if saying goodbye to everyone near , he went downstairs. After it was told that the sentry who was standing at the cash drawer, almost at the last moment taken from his post, heard a revolver shot from the Zhdanov cabin.

When several minutes later several shells hit the battleship at the same time, one of which blew up, hitting the nose tower, part of the sailors standing behind the tower rushed overboard and accidentally pushed the officer who was standing at the board. The signalman Agafonov, seeing that the officer who gave him his life preserver fell into the sea without any life-saving equipment with a revolver and binoculars around his neck, without hesitation, rushed from the upper bridge, from a height of 42 feet, overboard to help the dying officer.

"Admiral Ushakov", turning over, went to the bottom; one of the floating sailors shouted: “Hurray for Ushakov!” - with the flag goes to the bottom! ”All who were in the water responded with a loud long“ Hurray ”, and indeed: until the last moment the flag of St. Andrew fluttered. He was shot down several times during the battle, but Prokopovich, who stood under the flag of the drill commander-in-chief (the drill non-commissioned officer), again raised the flag. When it was allowed to flee, the senior artillery officer, Lieutenant Nikolai Nikolayevich Dmitriev shouted from the bridge to Prokopovich in a megaphone that he could leave his post without waiting for the guard chief or the guard, but Prokopovich, standing on a spardek near the stern tower, probably deaf for Two days the battle of the rumble of shots and did not hear the orders given to him. When the messenger was sent to him, he was already killed by a shell exploding near the shell.

After the "Admiral Ushakov" disappeared under the water, the Japanese continued to shoot people swimming in the sea for some time. Much later, probably having received an order on the radio, they lowered the boats and proceeded to rescue the perishing. Rescued for a long time and in good faith; the latter was said to have been picked up under floodlights.

In describing the battle and the death of the battleship Ushakov in Japanese newspapers, it was printed that when a Japanese boat approached a battleship commander who sailed into the sea to save him, Mikluha-Maclay in English shouted to a Japanese officer: “Save the sailors, then the officers”. When the boat approached him a second time, he was swimming already dead on his belt. So died in the Tsushima battle 15 in May 1905, the battleship of coastal defense "Admiral Ushakov" and his commander, captain 1, rank VN Mikluha-Maklai, and with him the senior officer, captain 2, Musat, mine officer, lieutenant Zhdanov, senior mechanic, captain Yakovlev, Junior Mechanic Lieutenant Trubitsyn, Junior Navigator Ensign Zorich, Commissioner Mikheev and about a hundred Sailors. In the cabin of the battleship was a beautifully painted portrait of Admiral F. P. Ushakov. Often on the march the officers turned to the portrait and asked: “Well, what are we destined to?” And it seemed to them that in the portrait the face of the admiral changed his expression. It was decided that in the event of a battle, one of the officers who would be in the mess room should look at the portrait to find out if the Admiral was pleased with his ship. One of the officers, who was accidentally in the mess room shortly before the ship was destroyed, glanced at the portrait, and it seemed to him that "the Admiral is expressing his pleasure."

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Built shortly before the revolution and named after the commander of the battleship “Admiral Ushakov”, the destroyer destroyer Captain 1st Rank Miklukh-Maklay, the revolutionary proletariat (“rebellious slaves”, as Mr. Comrade Kerensky put it) was renamed “Spartak” in memory of the leader rebellious roman slaves. Under the "leadership" of Commissioner Raskolnikov (the "red midshipman" of the black midshipmen Ilyin), the Spartak and the destroyer Avtroil were handed over to the British in November 1918, with officers — not Bolsheviks — as their commanders. Transmitted by the British of Estonia, these two destroyers under the names "Vambola" and "Lennuk" are now listed in Estonian navy.

In 1912, I had the good fortune to command the destroyer in the Finnish skerries in the sea guard of E. I. Century Emperor. During the Supreme Review of His Majesty’s Destroyer, descending into the commander’s cabin and seeing a photograph of the battleship Admiral Ushakov hanging on the wall, they deigned to ask me: “Why do you have a photograph of Admiral Ushakov?” I replied: “I participated in it at Tsushima Battle ". “The gallant ship,” said the Emperor, to which I allowed myself to answer: “If ever your Imperial Majesty would be pleased to call the new ship named“ Admiral Ushakov ”, I’m happy to serve mail on it and, I hope, with great success. " “Why with great success?” Asked the Sovereign, emphasizing the word “great.” “Because then we were defeated on him,” I replied. “No, it was a victory of the spirit. One of the best ships will be named after "Admiral Ushakov", - graciously deigned to say His Majesty. Emperor words untold I was pleased. Tsar's word is strong: already during the war the cruiser “Admiral Ushakov” was laid down in Nikolaev, but unfinished before the revolution, not under this name, and not under the flag of St. Andrew, and it did not enter the Russian Imperial Fleet to protect the honor and integrity of Great Russia , but, completed under the communist power, under the red flag, as part of the Red Black Sea Soviet fleet, under some sort of nothing to the Russian heart and mind without saying a name like “Comintern”, “Profintern”, etc., or under the word "Comrade", serve III intern national to achieve the triumph of the crazy communist idea - the world social revolution.

But Great Russia will be revived, the Russian Navy will be revived under the glorious Andrew's flag, and in it - firmly believe - in honor of the once-awesome “Ushak-Pasha” for the Turks and in memory of the battleship who had bravely died in the Tsushima battle, with honor and pride will bear the name "Admiral Ushakov", and the other - the name of his valiant commander of the captain 1 rank Miklukhi-Maclay.







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  1. +11
    20 February 2013 09: 00
    Eternal memory to the heroes who took a hopeless battle, but did not shame themselves and their ship with the shame of surrender.
    1. mongoose
      -1
      April 9 2014 16: 45
      and the eternal curse of the Judeo-Bolsheviks! to the Jews who betrayed Russia! Russian soldiers and sailors!
  2. calculator
    +14
    20 February 2013 09: 18
    I was in Tsushima .... I had a chance to lower my wreaths with my friend in the water .... For me it was the highest award ... I also read Port Arthur as a kid. Honestly, trembling hands. Eternal Memory
    1. +2
      20 February 2013 19: 23
      Also still a schoolboy, at the beginning of the distant 80s, I read "Port Arthur" and "Tsushima". Impressed for a lifetime. Eternal memory to the heroic Russian sailors!
  3. +4
    20 February 2013 09: 39
    These three coastal defense battleships are distinguished by an easily recognizable characteristic monitor-type hull and simply huge cloaks.
    The eternal glory of the courage of sailors and officers who laid down their heads in the battle of Tsushima. They were well aware that they were going to a terrible slaughter for the sake of the ghostly interests of the tsarist regime and the big magnates in Manchuria. Including and V.N.Miklukh, who was once a member of the Volunteer. soldier
    Continuing on the same course, the Japanese cruisers marched north without firing, which surprised us very much, since, having a great advantage in strength, they could, without a doubt, be able to end our wounded armadillo very quickly. Already being on the Japanese cruiser Yakumo as prisoners of war, from Japanese officers we learned the reason for this incomprehensible case: we were shown a map on which several courses diverging to the north were plotted from the Tsushima Strait, according to which, according to a previously developed plan, the Japanese the ships had to search and pursue the remains of the Russian squadron in case of its defeat.


    The tactical dogmatism of the Japanese played into their hands in the Russo-Japanese War. Half a century later, he and stubborn lack of initiative turned into a defeat for them in the war in the Pacific Ocean.
    1. +4
      20 February 2013 14: 31
      Quote: Iraclius
      They were well aware that they were going to a terrible slaughter for the sake of the ghostly interests of the tsarist regime and large magnates in Manchuria. Including and V.N.Miklukh, who was once a member of the Volunteer.


      Yes, not for some kind of notorious regime or tycoons took the death of sailors. They went into battle for their homeland, just like in 1941 the defenders of the Brest Fortress and many others fought to death, not with the name of the tsar or Stalin, all these people went to death, they gave their lives defending the Fatherland.
      1. +1
        20 February 2013 14: 36
        Sakhalininsk, I was almost sure that you are about the same and write. He specially wrote a streamlined wording where there is not a word about the decision of Nebogatov and his headquarters. I won’t give in to the provocation. You know my position, as I do yours.
        I only note that the Russo-Japanese War is the second on the list of imperialist. I was taught at school and college by stupid people who claimed that the imperialist war was unjust. And putting it on a par with the sacred Great Patriotic War is sacrilege! I did not expect from you, to be honest! No.
        1. +3
          20 February 2013 16: 58
          Right stop what provocations. No one now compares the significance in history and the importance for the people of the events discussed. I just noted that the concept of military duty and honor to the homeland is not measured by the political system or the causes of the war.
          States are waging war, and most often ordinary people die for me personally, the reasons, consequences and so on in aspects of this conversation are absolutely not important, I note only that the sailors and officers of "Admiral Ushakov", leading their last hopeless battle, did not shame their homeland, equally like the heroes of other warriors led by our country, the warriors of our Motherland preferred to die with honor, the shame of captivity ... this is our history, this is the glory and greatness of our ancestors thanks to which we generally exist now.
    2. 0
      21 February 2013 02: 18
      Quote: Iraclius
      The tactical dogmatism of the Japanese played into their hands in the Russo-Japanese War. Half a century later, he and stubborn lack of initiative turned into a defeat for them in the war in the Pacific Ocean.

      Well, you turned it down. Perhaps during the Russo-Japanese War, some scheming was felt, but already during World War II, the Yamamoto chicks acted brilliantly. The reasons for the defeat lie in the enormous military-technical superiority of the United States. It was so great that it is surprising how since Japan has been able to hold out for so long.
  4. Crang
    +13
    20 February 2013 09: 56
    The article is good, but even here an error crept in. The fact is that the 254mm gun mounts of the Ushakova GK in their range of 11,7 km (63 cables) surpassed the 203mm and 152mm guns of the Japanese KRBs. Their characteristics were respectively: 11,1 km (60 cables) for 203mm, 10,2 km (55 cables) for 152mm deck guns and 9,1 km (49 cables) for 152mm casemate guns. But the problem was that the 254mm guns of the BRBO series "Ushakov" and parts of the EBR of the "Oslyabya" type had a too light design and a small resource of barrels. BRBO shot the entire resource of its main guns in the daytime battle, continuously firing at the enemy. By the time of its last meeting with the Japanese cruisers, the BRBO had virtually no main battery. The guns were completely shot and required replacement. Therefore, he could not shoot at his passport range. The "new" ballistics and firing tables did not correspond to which the range hit was worked out. What the Japanese cruisers did not take advantage of. “Ushakov” has achieved one single hit in them. But if his main caliber was in perfect order and knowing his commander, one can assume that the battle could promise to be much "more interesting" (especially for the Japanese). Here are the memories of the nighttime conversations of the calculation of the 1st gun mount 254mm caliber:

    Vorobyov patted Chernov on the shoulder and spoke:
    - Oh, Vanya, my dear friend! Although you boast of being your senior artilleryman, it turns out quite another thing. Remember how in Crete your Dmitriev replaced Gavrilov. Where only his eyes were then! Gavrilov slipped useless guns to him. Our towers were being repaired en route. The commission took them from the Obukhov plant also on the way, and everyone found it was in order. But someone here still warmed his hands. The artillery lieutenant Gavrilov, after taking the guns, was immediately written off due to illness. Of course, I am not a doctor, but only his illness seemed suspicious to me. Medicine does not know this. Was he sick of gold? This is where your Dmitriev gave the blunder, and now we have to get off on our sides for it. For long-range shooting guns do not have the desired elevation angle. Tower mechanisms barely rest on the "honest word" of the acceptance committee. And the main trouble is already the rings parted that fasten the gun from the outside. From this, our main artillery yesterday served its service. In appearance you look - formidable guns, but many of them can not be shot. And the enemy will do no more harm from them than ravens from a scarecrow in the garden. Please tell me what after that we will now do when we meet with the Japanese?


    BRBO "Ushakov" could not get away from the enemy cruisers. I could not defeat them in battle, because there was already nothing to overcome. He could only die.
    1. +3
      20 February 2013 13: 51
      I can not help but recall the case described by Novikov-Surf. The fact is that, as a precaution, the pyroxylin filling of shells before a circumnavigation had a humidity of about 3%. Some specialist recommended increasing it to 10%, which was done.
      After the defeat of the squadron, this man was never found during the investigation. Well, the consequences of his "recommendation" are well known - many of our shells, even having pierced the armor of Japanese EBRs, simply did not explode due to dampness. request
  5. Yoshkin Kot
    +4
    20 February 2013 10: 07
    Glory to the Russian sailors! Eternal memory, The dead do not have shame!
  6. +2
    20 February 2013 10: 43
    A mixture of shame for the surrender of the fleet and pride in the fallen heroes who did not disgrace their honor and the Fatherland. Everlasting memory.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      +1
      20 February 2013 12: 39
      well, at that time there was practically no fleet
  7. +1
    20 February 2013 14: 15

    Quote by Iracliu
    The eternal glory of the courage of sailors and officers who laid down their heads in the battle of Tsushima. They were well aware that they were going to a terrible slaughter for the sake of the ghostly interests of the tsarist regime and the big magnates in Manchuria.

    Throw you these propaganda things. We are not at political classes in the Lenkomnat. Who told you what they knew and what not. And the officers and sailors went into battle and died for the MOTHERLAND! And all the rest of your reasoning is bullshit. Sorry if I offended you, but now is not the year 1937 - I say what I think.
    1. +1
      20 February 2013 14: 44
      Yes, and the KGB officers with the barrel attached to Novikov-Surf were forced to write the opposite? If you consider the tsarist officers to be stupid cattle, who were ordered to, and they grunted "Yes!", And then with a whoop and happy faces rushed to their death, then you are mistaken. The revolution of 1905 arose from scratch and led its dark and downtrodden peasants? We are discussing articles here and I am not promoting any political propaganda. If my reasoning seems to you nonsense, then give the facts. Mine say the opposite. The entire command realized that the campaign of the 2nd squadron was meaningless exactly after the first one ceased to exist. And if you call the homeland the interests of a handful of industrialists and the Tsar, then I wash my hands. "Patriotism" is in your hands. hi
      1. +2
        20 February 2013 15: 28
        At least the minuses commented, gentlemen, champions of the tsarist regime. I can find something to argue without stupid cons. Or you have few reasons that led above comrade Crang with a criminal reduction in the weight of gun barrels GK? Or those that I wrote about a criminal (possibly intentional!) Increase in the humidity of pyroxylin tubes?
        1. 0
          22 February 2013 09: 44
          Emotions, only emotions and nothing else. What is the relation between the increase in humidity of pyroxylin tubes and the decrease in the weight of gun barrels to the imperial regime - this is apparently clear only to you, dear Iraclius.
          Govnyuk ... v, ..v and thieves in the world have always had enough and not only in Russia - this is not an argument. I do not consider Novikov-Priboy's work to be objective; I am sure that this is an order. At least the KGB officers forced not such people, I apologize for taftology, to write such a thing that my mother does not grieve. That way you will soon agree even to the point that Rudnev, the royal mercenary, led the Varangian to slaughter. Demagogy! You better read Pikul; he has very well disclosed the naval theme, including in 1904.
          As for tsarism ... Of course! Nikolai "shot" the demonstration - he was dubbed "bloody". Lenin and Stalin destroyed absolutely innocent people by MILLIONS. Stalin CUT OUT the entire senior command staff before the war, missed ... l the beginning of the war, which cost the USSR tens of MILLIONS of lives, sent people to the REAL slaughter ... Someone called him bloody ??? Dear Iraclius You are a chatter ... lo and a demagogue. If there are facts - bring, no - release the reservoir. I have the honor!
          1. -1
            23 February 2013 21: 19
            Mr. Shkodnik! If something doesn’t suit you in my comments, I ask you to answer you essentially, if only for the simple reason that I wrote before you. And it turns out that you are forcing me to answer.
            This is a time.
            Secondly, dear Shkodnik. I did not go over to personalities - you did! Do we know you personally? Have you been drinking on broodershaft? Then what conclusions do you draw about me? About Valentin Pikul, I can give you a lot of facts confirming the negligent (or deliberately negligent - again, how to turn it around!) Attitude towards archival materials. Read at least "Bayazet" - there even the names of the real defenders of the fortress are slandered in order to please the author's intent.
            And if the fleet and army were not ready for war, then this is not the fault of the soldiers, sailors and officers, but the regime, which was personally headed by Tsar Nikolai 2. And there is nothing to compare it with the leaders of subsequent eras - there is a separate discussion about them. I have the honor!
            PS And for the words you need to answer.
            1. +2
              8 October 2013 13: 41
              I will add on my own. Undoubtedly V. Pikul is an outstanding master of literature and romantic of the sea, but at the same time he himself treated his own historical novels with great self-irony. He once said: "People like my novels so much because they don't know the story well." Yes, and no need to confuse, even if historical, but ROMAN with real HISTORY.
              This time. According to Novikov-Priboi. He began writing his first version of Tsushima back in 1906, almost immediately after the war, but in view of the revolution and its defeat, he considered it a blessing not to publish it. So what about the order it is better not that ... Isn't it better to admit that anyone can have their own opinion and it is horrible! - may coincide with the official political line. And this coincidence does not always have opposite cause-and-effect relationships.
  8. +2
    20 February 2013 14: 56
    In any war there are two elements - the goal and the means by which it is achieved. If the war is just, liberating, then the sacred duty of a citizen and a patriot is to defend their Motherland. As did the immortal defenders of the Brest Fortress, as did the sailors of the battleship Marat or the heroic defenders of Leningrad. Or the glorious garrison of Bayazet endured hellish torments and survived in spite of everything. I don't understand why you are on the side of the bloody Nikolashka and his clique? Not only that, in the second half of the 19th century, the tsarist government snapped several times the possibility of a calm annexation of Manchuria and the gradual strengthening of Russian influence in the region, but when the thunder struck, it was also negligent in preparing for the war itself. Why did ordinary sailors have to pay for this in blood? Nikolashka had to be “asked to resign” back in 1905, then the country would not have lost millions of lives in the slaughter of the Imperialist War. I have the honor to fight further for the oligarchic cliques. I - fought.
    1. 0
      22 February 2013 09: 59
      Of course, "Nikolashka" is bloody! And Lenin, Stalin, Yeltsin are fluffy hamsters. All the same, you have family ties with the priest Gapon. As Zhirinovsky says - definitely!
  9. -1
    20 February 2013 17: 27
    completed under communist rule, under the red flag, as part of the red Black Sea Soviet fleet, under a name that doesn’t speak anything to the Russian heart and mind, such as “Comintern”, “Profintern”, etc., or under the slanted word “comrade” , serve the III International to achieve the triumph of the crazy communist idea - the world social revolution.
    ________________________________
    Yeah ... there wouldn’t be anything like that .., would put the article many advantages.
  10. +4
    20 February 2013 17: 28
    Quote: Iraclius
    Yes, but the Novikov-Priboy police officers with an attached barrel forced to write the opposite?

    It is difficult to explain otherwise the cases of outright lies and falsification of facts, which are replete with "Tsushima" Novikov-Priboy. Here is one example of such a lie.
    Quote: Krang
    Remember how in Crete your Dmitriev replaced Gavrilov. Where only his eyes were then! Gavrilov slipped useless guns to him. Our towers were being repaired en route. The commission took them from the Obukhov plant also on the way, and everyone found it was in order.

    How do you imagine this? :))) Repair the tower on the way? :))) Replace the shot barrel there, with a gun weighing more than 20 tons? :)))) Manually, apparently, yes? :))) Let's still think a bit about WHAT we read, and not take everything on faith. Although, perhaps, we were not taught this in schools and colleges :)))
    In fact, since 1898, the BWO “Admiral Ushakov” was annually included for three weeks in the Training and Artillery Detachment to improve the training of artillerymen. In other words, Ushakov served as a training ship for the commandants. Therefore, of course, the shooting of guns on it was colossal.
    But there was no repair of the towers. Quite simply, back in 1902, many troubles with the 254-mm artillery of the "Ushakov" were discovered - worn out hydraulic drives, problems with valves, etc. So, in connection with the extreme employment of our shipbuilding and Obukhovskoye, these malfunctions were not eliminated - they only sent artisans to "Ushakov" for SMALL repair of gates. Apparently, they reasoned like this - we cannot properly repair the towers, so let's at least do something, even fix the gates.
    It was, I remind you again, in the 1902 year. And Gavrilov, who allegedly handed the worthless guns to Dmitriev, got on the ship only in 1904, when they gathered volunteers in Nebogatov’s squadron, and he could not be responsible for the repair of 1902.
    1. +4
      20 February 2013 17: 28
      Before the very campaign "Ushakov" was repaired. But this mainly concerned its chassis and dynamos, as for artillery, no one touched the 254-mm towers at all. Along with the GUKiS, the Obukhov plant produced six new 120-mm guns, two guns from this batch were installed on the Ushakov, replacing the most worn-out ones. And that's all. And, of course, the "Ushakov" knew about it very well
      Therefore, all this felt syllable
      Quote: Krang
      The artillery lieutenant Gavrilov, after taking the guns, was immediately written off due to illness. Of course, I am not a doctor, but only his illness seemed suspicious to me. Medicine does not know this. Was he sick of gold?

      There is nothing more than the inventions of Novikov-Surf.
      Further. I understand that the uncritical perception of Novikov-Surf
      Quote: Krang
      And the main trouble - the rings have already dispersed, which fasten the gun from the outside. From this, our main artillery yesterday served its service.

      Leads to the conclusion that
      Quote: Krang
      BRBO shot the entire resource of its GK guns in a daytime battle, continuously shooting at the enemy.

      But if you think about it? The resource of the Ushakov's barrels is 200 rounds (MTK norm), so do you want to say that the BBO fired 800 main-caliber rounds during the Tsushima battle? :))) Especially considering that no more than 300 were placed on the ship ?: )))))))
      In fact, this is an example of how one lie drags another along with it. The truth is that Ushakov joined the 3TOE already with very heavily fired guns, with a rate of 4 guns - 800 shots, about 500 of them were fired - even BEFORE the campaign, and no one repaired the guns. And another 200 shots were fired by the ship's 254-mm guns in Tsushima. Thus, by the end of the battle as part of the squadron, the guns fired about 200 shots per barrel at a rate of 176 shots per barrel - and given the fact that the MTK rates were calculated and were never checked by the FULL firing of guns, then ... In general, the guns came full of khana - even in the battle itself "Ushakov" did not finish shooting up to 60 kbt from its guns.
      Bottom line - Ushakov really took a mortal battle with cannons shot to death, but the account of the events that led to such a sad end at Novikov-Priboy is "a little" wrong - to please propaganda clichés - corrupt officers, rotten tsarism ...
      1. +2
        8 October 2013 13: 50
        but here is the account of the events that led to such a sad end in Novikov-Priboy "a little" wrong - for the sake of propaganda cliches - corrupt officers, rotten tsarism ...

        But what if it is really his own, albeit subjective and not entirely correct, opinion? And why was a simple lower rank supposed to love officers and senior management, which drove people to slaughter?
  11. Crang
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    20 February 2013 18: 52
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    But if you think about it? The resource of the Ushakov's barrels is 200 rounds (MTK norm), so do you want to say that the BBO fired 800 main-caliber rounds during the Tsushima battle? :))) Especially considering that no more than 300 were placed on the ship ?: ))))))).

    You tell me about a passport, and I tell you about reality. Who told you that the 254mm / 45k guns had a norm of 200 rounds? This is not frail by later standards. And the most important thing here is what you yourself said:
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    and taking into account the fact that the MTK standards were calculated and were never verified by the FULL gunshot, then ..

    This is the most important thing. Some rogue wrote in the passport for the gun against the "resource" column - 200 shots. But in reality it was ~ 50 shots.

    And the worst thing is that all this is very, no, VERY reminiscent of what TODAY is happening in the army, in the navy and in the country as a whole. Here is one to one. "Tsar" is done. The caste of the "untouchables" de juro was returned. Some freeloaders and thieves are everywhere. And if our fleet is to fight today - I am sure it will be the same. Everything goes in cycles, gentlemen. Ancient Russia stood for 1200 years. Tsarism lasted 300 years - four times less. The USSR held out for 70 years - even four times less. This today's Russia will collapse in 20. Because everything has already rotted in it. Correctly said Iraclius - nefig to fight for alligarchs, freaks and pid ** ases. They added their sons to Germany - fight for their system.
    1. +4
      20 February 2013 19: 38
      Quote: Krang
      You tell me about a passport, and I tell you about reality.

      Sorry, but I just can’t understand what you think is reality.
      Quote: Krang
      Who told you that the 254mm / 45k guns had 200 rounds of fire?

      I said MTK
      Quote: Krang
      Some rogue wrote in the passport for the gun against the "resource" column - 200 shots.

      Once again - MTK is the Maritime Technical Committee - a collegial body of the Maritime Ministry in charge of the technical issues of shipbuilding and weapons. In 1987-1905, it was led by such people as Pilkin, Tyrtov and Dubasov. So do not talk about crooks.
      Quote: Krang
      But really he was ~ 50. Shots.

      But in reality, Ushakov fired about 125 shots per gun before joining the 3TOE and didn’t fall apart, the guns didn’t. And they went out of service after 150-170 shots. And how does this fit in with your "reality"?
      Quote: Krang
      And the worst thing is that all this is very, no VERY reminiscent of what TODAY is happening in the army, in the navy and in the country as a whole

      I will not argue, but, as I think, in order to compare something with something you need to at least know what you are comparing
      Quote: Krang
      "Tsar" is done. The caste of the "untouchables" de juro was returned.

      De facto she was returned. de jure, we all are equal before the law ... just some are more equal than others.
      But what, she once was not, this caste? :)))
  12. ng1941
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    21 February 2013 17: 34
    There is a very interesting series of books devoted to the Russian-Japanese war, the so-called technical fiction. author Doinikov Gleb Borisovich
  13. Crang
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    21 February 2013 21: 07
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Sorry, but I just can’t understand what you think is reality.


    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    I said MTK


    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    MTK standards were calculated and were never verified by the FULL gunshot,

    For me, what is real is real. You yourself said - life tests of 254mm / 45k guns were not carried out. What is the conversation about then? Where did MTK get this 200 shots? Only approximately since the level of engineering calculations of that time specifically on this topic left much to be desired. The simplest thing is that they could not count the mass exactly. And all over the world, and not just ours.
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    But in reality, Ushakov fired about 125 shots per gun before joining the 3TOE and didn’t fall apart, the guns didn’t. And they went out of service after 150-170 shots. And how does this fit in with your "reality"?

    Combines well. The main guns of the Ushakov were completely shot down in the daytime battle on May 14.
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    I will not argue, but, as I think, in order to compare something with something you need to at least know what you are comparing

    Well today, another fleet, yes. They will also supply expired missiles or forget to refuel torpedoes. Flesh from the flesh. Then the fleet was even more powerful with us. The new technology was at least actively and massively supplied to it.
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    De facto she was returned. de jure, we all are equal before the law ... just some are more equal than others. But what, she once was not, this caste? :)))

    Yes, almost de facto. Remember at least November 27, 2012. Caste may have always been to one degree or another, but there is a huge difference. Earlier in the USSR, as you said, it was de jure. It was all so quiet and secretive. And in a completely different way is perceived what was under the tsar with his tablets "the lower ranks and dogs are prohibited from entering", etc. where this caste directly, laughing, told the people in the face that he was cattle and shit. The same thing is starting to happen now. The media covers everything well, but this publicity does not stop anyone already. Earlier in the 90s, there was still a little "modest".

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