How much money is stolen in Russia, or corruption Eden

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The day does not pass without a new message from news agencies about the new fact of embezzlement of budget funds, the manifestation of a fraudulent scheme, a corruption scandal involving large business and high-ranking Russian officials. Sometimes it seems that we are literally on the verge of a grand event, when the blow to corruption will be such that even progressive in this direction Singapore would envy our brother. It seems to press a little more, a little more pressure and - everything: gather, law enforcement agencies, ready, and pass, the courts, your sentences, adequate situations.

It seems ... So far it only seems. They crossed themselves, and still the sensation does not leave ... And how can they leave, when here and there again they broadcast about an inflated estimate, about the unlawful realization of state property at prices with a fair discount, about crumbling highways and dancing bridges, about plundering military means, Olympic, educational, medical and other budgets ... And literally every day we see the face of the head of state, which says "lost fear altogether!" And he paints his face, and the presidential fists seem to be clenched, and his teeth creak, and look like that - Vladimir Putin is smiling at all these "tum" - "bilal" - "basil" - "serdyukovyh" and will demonstrate something of a sort of judo, but ... Someone is in a position, someone enters the position, someone is deceived by an accountant , and someone has a general reference ...

So far, everything is just in standby: we know, they say, but we still need to clarify the losses, bring together the testimony of the witnesses, and only then take action.

A kind of anti-corruption wave in standby mode: you want to continue - press any key. It would seem so much easier. But only from the standby mode, the system still can not get out, because, as it were, it states that it cannot yet find the buttons with such a name on the state development keyboard ... Where, they say, is this “any key”? Looking for ...

And then there are some kind of "helpers". Take the sensational situation with JSC RusHydro. For strange reasons, the company itself (its management) never heard anything about that certain contractors and subcontractors “heated” the RusHydro workers for a billion rubles in the construction of the Zagorsk PSPP-2. The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation on its official website informs that, even in 2009, within the limits of its competence, it began to check the expenditure of funds from investment resources and the company's repair funds. The tax authorities, in turn, report that in 2007 they revealed a strange overstatement of several million rubles estimates by contracting companies.

After identifying that JSC RusHydro simply steals someone at different scales, the representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs turned to the management of the company to act as the injured party. It would be able to give progress. However, according to the same Ministry of Internal Affairs, which ordinary citizens learned from the broadcast of the meeting on the fuel and energy complex held under the President of the Russian Federation, the leadership of RusHydro did not consider itself a robbed party. It's amazing! .. The company suffered significant losses, but at the same time its leadership for quite some time actually said: millions? billions? Is it worth worrying about such trifles? We will work this billion on consumers at once ...

How much money is stolen in Russia, or corruption Eden
Mr. Dod delves into Putin’s words


Why, they say, the tax inspectorate and the Interior Ministry carried all this to such a level of discussion - only the president was disturbed. Now, you see, recognize yourself as the injured party, upholste the thresholds of the ships - a complete confusion. The thing is penny: think about it, a billion more, a billion less ...

The chairman of the board, Yevgeny Dod, who listened to the reproaches of President Putin, as if he were trying to convey to the head of state: you just do not worry, everything has already been stolen - what are these nerves? but if you still insist, then we certainly recognize ourselves as the injured party, only to whom will this be easier? ..

After the “interview” with Vladimir Putin, the same Mr. Dod finally decided to inspect Zagorskaya PSPP-2 himself and said that by Wednesday the company would make the same verdict: was it robbed, or were all these millions-billions stolen - only too much speculation law enforcement officers. In other words, the chairman of the board of RusHydro reacted more than calmly to the dressing arranged by the president: they said, Vladimir Vladimirovich waited for 5 for years, wait until Wednesday ...
Once they called it the brakes or even sabotage, and now they are effective, you know, management. We will calculate everything again, estimate it, settle it, divide it, reissue it - and only then we will announce who the victim was in this situation, and in general, whether there was any fraud or other corruption.

No less noisy stood out story with a man like Ahmed Bilalov, whose name was mentioned in connection with the introduction of some Olympic venues almost by 2,5 year and the increase in the cost of construction of facilities in 6,7 times. Ahmed Bilalov himself in 2009 year was elected to the post of vice-president of the Olympic Committee of the Russian Federation (neither more nor less). In addition, he served as Chairman of the Board of Directors of KSK Company (Resorts of the North Caucasus).

And this Ahmed Gadzhievich Bilalov (in addition also a member of the Central Control and Revision Commission of United Russia) together with his brother Magomed Gadzhievich Bilalov (by strange coincidence, the shareholder of OJSC Krasnaya Polyana), as well as his cousin Ziyavudin Gadzhievich Magomedov (major shareholder Novorossiysk Commercial Port, the owner of 111-th position in the Russian list of Forbes with a fortune of almost 1 billion dollars) worked for the benefit of the North Caucasus, not working around the hands. How much they “didn’t work” their hands can be judged by the fact that as a result of only one transaction for the sale of shares of “their” company, one of the Bilalovs received more than 5 billion rubles. Moreover, the cost of building Olympic facilities, for which Ahmed Gadzhievich undertook, increased by leaps and bounds.

The situation here resembles something like the following: for wallpapering the walls of the bedroom in your apartment, you hire a brigade of workers and agree with them about the cost of the work. Representatives of the brigade declare that they will do the work for N rubles. You agree. During the works, you are told that you need to raise the bar of payment, because at first the team did not take into account that the bedroom has a window and a battery under this window, which is also cold - your fingers are cold ... you reluctantly agree. But that's not all! After pasting, you are told that you do not need to pay 2N or even 3N, but all 6N, as the glue brigade bought the glue not at the nearest store of construction and finishing materials, but ordered from abroad to smuggle in nuclear submarines (one a glue pack - for one nuclear-powered submarine missile cruiser) delivered to Russia exclusively by the Northern Sea Route ... As a result, you would have refused to pay, but all that money you hired was taken from the pocket of your coat hanging in the hallway. You took it as a job for them ... And then you only realized it when the workers were already waving a pen, and after the wallpaper strip outside the window had already come unstuck.

This is about the situation in which the Russians felt themselves after the publication of the story about the activities of Mr. Bilalov and his closest associates in the construction of Sochi’s (and others too) facilities. It turns out that the Bilalov brothers worked in such a way that neither the United Russia Control and Audit Commission, nor the president of the Russian Olympic Committee, Alexander Zhukov, or anyone else, had any suspicions. The Bilalov brothers asked for billions, and these billions were given to them ... They gave it in silence, and now it is! ..

Ahmed Gadzhievich Bilalov, who, by the way, does not agree with the criticism directed at him, even decided to write a statement of his own accord. Active defenders of Mr. Bilalov say: they say, this is a real Caucasian man! He even wrote “on his own” in order not to expose President Putin, because, according to the rules of the IOC, the authorities do not have the right to interfere in the affairs of the national Olympic committees.

But I didn’t write right away ... I also thought: maybe it’s going to go bad ...

By the way, apparently, this is the IOC rule and made it possible for the brothers to work quite calmly throughout the North Caucasus and gradually rise in the Forbes rating. You can understand this joy, which is captured in the photo from the collection of Ahmed Bilalov himself ...

The joy of Ahmed Bilalov (extreme right below) and other comrades


Well, and then what? .. They didn’t even dismiss them, but the man quit on his own. No criminal cases, no large-scale proceedings. If you stole several billions of budget money, then why is the Interior Ministry silent in this case? .. And if you didn’t steal it, if the law enforcement system is silent, so it turns out that others have stolen ... But then who? Are there really even bigger sausas behind the very well-to-do Dagestan brothers who actively mastered the Russian budget? .. If so, then it turns out that Bilalov and Co. himself is only the tip of the iceberg, which we were shown, and the actual loss by the budget 5-6 billion rubles is a small fraction of real budget losses ... But if this is a small fraction, then what is the true scope? Apparently, we will not know for sure in the near future. However, it is worthwhile to estimate, proceeding only from the available messages of information agencies, data of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, tax specialists, the Main Military Prosecutor's Office, the Investigation Committee ...

So, let's start the process of summation.

JSC RusHydro - 1 billion rubles.

The announced overstatement of expenses on the construction of Olympic facilities (only on the site of Ahmed Bilalov) is almost 6,2 billion rubles.

Plunders in the construction of facilities for the APEC summit in Vladivostok - 96 million rubles (not counting the restoration of the collapsed road and payments to property owners for the damage).

V.Putin inspected the mountain cluster objects for the Olympics in Sochi, © RIA News


Corruption scandal in VAK - 1,5 billion rubles.

Plunders at Rosagroleasing - 39 billion rubles.

Theft at Oboronservis is more than 10 billion rubles.

Corruption activities in the Oncology Research Institute - 29 million rubles.

Plunders in the housing and utilities sector of the Murmansk region - 1,5 billion rubles.

Plunders in the sphere of housing and communal services in St. Petersburg - 3 billion rubles.

You can continue more and more, but already here comes the amount of almost 63,5 billion rubles. And if we take into account that the average iceberg under the water still has a percentage of 85-90 volume, then such a size of theft, kickbacks and other manifestations of corruption emerges that a very bad idea comes to mind. Oh, since the corruption in the country is blooming and smelling like that, but as they say, there are no proper landings, so maybe the Russians themselves will be forced to have them, and for the guilty to be punished ... We are being pushed to this, they say in order to fight corruption, it is necessary to grip the handle of certain gentlemen in the legislative, executive and judicial powers ... Give a pullback, so that they begin to fight kickbacks ... Can it really be any different? Is the whole country entangled in the boils of corrupt Eden? ..
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  1. Sgt.
    +35
    20 February 2013 09: 00
    Stalin is not enough for them
    1. +14
      20 February 2013 09: 34
      This is only the tip of the iceberg, they steal both large and small things. Our system is so built. The police lieutenant rides on Cruiser, but nobody cares what he bought it for. The higher, the cooler.
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        -5
        20 February 2013 09: 48
        forgot "do not steal", now it will be difficult to make people "remember"!
        shoot? and there is no sense in shooting in China, and nothing! it is difficult to expect from a person who earns even hundreds of thousands of rubles a month, but who drives billions, not to steal, especially in our time when there is no guarantee that having worked honestly all his life he will not be exhausted from hunger and disease, here, in addition to a whip (uk), is needed and a carrot, for example, an official with a spore service, should receive bonuses in the form of medicine and education for himself and his wife and children, after 20 years of blameless service, receive a very decent pension, preservation of status and other things, and be deprived of everything if "he gets hot, with disabilities to work in response to positions not only in government offices, but also in any private business, it is difficult to put things in order with one whip and not for long
        1. Passing
          +11
          20 February 2013 12: 48
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          to shoot? and they’re shooting in China, and nothing!

          There is good sense, and some more - China is confidently moving towards the status of a superpower, and Russia ...
          The point is not the presence of corruption, but the existence of a real fight against it. There is a huge difference between stole, got a suspended sentence, you live happily on stolen goods, or, stole - you got a bullet in your head, and the family went around the world after confiscation.
          1. audentes
            +1
            20 February 2013 22: 34
            in nete I saw a video where Chinese soldiers pulled twigs to shoot, the winner was happy as a child!
        2. +6
          20 February 2013 13: 04
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          say an officer in the intercession service should receive bonuses in the form of medicine and education for himself and his wife and children, after 20 years of the immaculate service receive a very decent pension, maintaining status and other things

          Do you think that this is not so now? That an official is treated in a district clinic, receives an "average" pension and loses his status after 20 years of blameless service?
        3. vyatom
          +14
          20 February 2013 13: 25
          I work honestly and count every penny. Therefore, such articles of course upset me. Sorry for the common people who are being robbed. It is a pity for our country, which is stuck in its development due to the fault of our "state effective managers." I really hope that sooner or later greed will destroy the frauers.
        4. Ruslan80
          +3
          20 February 2013 17: 03
          But isn’t all this for our bureaucrats? The only way to fight corruption is a real time period and the complete confiscation of property, moreover, of relatives (it’s not difficult to check what means they live on)
          1. +3
            20 February 2013 20: 19
            Quote: Ruslan80

            But isn’t all this for our bureaucrats? The only way to fight corruption is a real time period and the complete confiscation of property, moreover, of relatives (it’s not difficult to check what means they live on)

            I would also add the death penalty in Red Square, in Execution Ground, by separating the head from the body with an ax. Yes, and do not forget about broadcasting on all TV channels.
        5. audentes
          0
          20 February 2013 22: 32
          It is necessary to divide the "volumes" and introduce an article on the type of enemy of the people, when on TV they show that person and the whole family, and give no more than 25 years, no less, without parole and send them to build roads
      2. +6
        20 February 2013 10: 08
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This is only the tip of the iceberg, they steal both large and small things. Our system is so built. The police lieutenant rides on Cruiser, but nobody cares what he bought it for. The higher, the cooler.

        I have written more than once that we have rides on the geldings of the Ministry of Emergencies and the Ministry of Internal Affairs! Not to mention the rest! am This is me about budget funds!
        1. +5
          20 February 2013 20: 26
          Quote: nycsson
          I have written more than once that we have rides on the geldings of the Ministry of Emergencies and the Ministry of Internal Affairs! Not to mention the rest! am I'm talking about budget funds!

          What I still love about the Emergencies Ministry is, if there is a drought in Africa, for example, there will be "boards" with generators, tents, sleeping bags, blankets, restaurant food, etc. And if our village burns down or drowns, then come to the "club", school or village council to your neighbors and don't blather ...
      3. +21
        20 February 2013 11: 22
        Alexander Romanov
        Alexander, hello ...
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The police lieutenant rides on the Cruiser, but nobody cares what he bought it for. The higher, the cooler.


        "... The Ministry of Internal Affairs is once again renewing its vehicle fleet. By the summer, law enforcement officers have ordered more than 930 vehicles, including cars and buses of small and medium class. For buses from the federal budget, 318 million 487 thousand rubles will be allocated, cars will cost the treasury in 584 million 664 thousand rubles. So, the Ministry of Internal Affairs requires multifunctional leather steering wheel, chrome trim of the lap line of the body, electric seat heating, mirrors and the now standard law enforcement vehicle lumbar support adjustment on the driver's seat. "

        Fine?
        Machines, naturally (how unpleasant it is to write - naturally, but it is) are NOT OUR. Have OURS? No ... Now I talked with the guys at work, I wanted to show that Russia, at least something RELEASES, DOES...
        And ... he was surprised - shoes, trousers (jeans), badlon, sweater, socks (!), Underpants (!) - everything is not IS OUR!!! And remember - toothpaste, machine, power tool (any!) - what ???
        Long live the WTO and Putin! (Stormy, unceasing applause. The audience stood up laughing ... doggy style) ...
        1. +6
          20 February 2013 12: 50
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          And ... he was surprised - shoes, trousers (jeans), badlon, sweater, socks (!), Underpants (!) - all are NOT OUR !!! And remember - toothpaste, machine, power tool (any!) - what ???
          Long live the WTO and Putin! (Stormy, non-stop applause. The audience stood laughing ... cancer) ...


          I've been trying to prove this to the forum users for a year now! PEOPLE, go to any store and open your eyes !!! All consumer goods are not ours! Our percent of 5, no more! am And it will be even worse when competition will strangle our producers!
          1. +1
            20 February 2013 19: 09
            Quote: nycsson
            I've been trying to prove this to the forum users for a year now! PEOPLE, go to any store and open your eyes !!! All consumer goods are not ours! Our percent of 5, no more! And it will be even worse when competition will strangle our producers!

            Yes, I noticed it a long time ago on many packages it says "made in China" and the importer is some kind of Russian company.
      4. +2
        20 February 2013 18: 03
        and we are responsible for the bazaar. Ulsugi housing and communal services raise, taxes raise, salaries are cut .... and then what ???
        In 2012, nearly 5 million ind. businessmen. a tax of 40 thousand rubles plunged everyone into gloom ...
    2. +12
      20 February 2013 09: 46
      Quote: Sergeant
      Stalin is not enough for them
      To whom? They are nobody ... Until we say so, not a single Stalin will help ... We need to say, Petrova, Sidorov, Ivanov and ... Clearly and surnamely ....
      Some head of a rural settlement is sitting in a village where 100 people live and stealing brazenly .... everyone sees everything, but no one will say it openly, because thieves feel like heroes that we cover them ... No worse than an indifferent person .Position - My hut with the edge is the most harmful and the most treacherous ...
      1. Kaa
        +10
        20 February 2013 10: 10
        Quote: domokl
        . Because thieves and feel like heroes that we cover them ... No worse than an indifferent person.

        " In general, the Russians spent 2010 billion rubles on bribes in 164. The most corrupt areas of life turned out to be healthcare and education, although in this deplorable rating traditionally the traffic police in particular hold on to high places in particular and the police as a whole.
        In Russia, the so-called domestic corruption market is growing rapidly in volume: on average, only nine out of a hundred Russians have not yet learned how to give officials "paw" for the provision of public services. For comparison: ten years ago there were much more incompetent corruption cases - 24%. These are data from a study published by the Ministry of Economic Development (Ministry of Economic Development) of the Russian Federation. One of the most corrupt is considered the sphere of higher education. In total, admission to universities cost citizens last year almost 21 billion rubles. Traffic police "services" are not far behind: for the acquisition of rights and passing the inspection, citizens laid out more than 24 billion rubles. The top 5 on corruption also included the army, kindergartens and labor market services. The following is a healthcare system. The volume of the black market there is enormous (over 35 billion rubles a year), but the average size of the bribe is relatively small - 3,476 thousand rubles. However, in terms of growth rates, the security sector can give a head start to everyone: the total amount of bribes received from citizens by police officers has grown almost 2005 times since 13, from 1,3 billion to 16,2 billion rubles. In recent years, taking bribes has become a more dangerous business, so law enforcement officials prefer to take less, but more. If in 2005 the average size of a bribe was 930 rubles, then in 2010 - already 12,6 thousand rubles. The Ministry of Economic Development calls the most corrupt region the Southern Federal District, followed by the North Caucasus and Central. Judging the rampant corruption in Russia by taking bribes to doctors and petty bureaucrats is wrong, the chairman of the National Anti-Corruption Committee, Kirill Kabanov, is sure. “Domestic corruption in the total volume of the corruption market is less than 10%”He says. Everything else is institutional corruption "from above." In his opinion, it is convenient for the authorities to research household corruption to cover up a wider layer of systemic corruption. Moreover, it is convenient to imitate violent activity on grassroots corruption - the result is obvious, and the interests of the corruption elite are not affected. http://tmbv.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10852:2011-06-16-1
        1-40-28&catid=82:hobtmbv&Itemid=74
        1. Komodo
          +5
          20 February 2013 10: 20
          Corruption in Russia is not a man with an envelope! This is a FACTORY, a machine.
          Clearly debugged schemes. Built with one goal in mind - the withdrawal of budget funds. They don’t care where and what is being built. What is being robbed and who. This is a car,
          A terrible machine. And most importantly, there is no replacement for this mechanism yet.
          That is, ANY money sent to anything in Russia passes through this machine.
          1. vyatom
            +5
            20 February 2013 11: 48
            Quote: Komodo
            Corruption in Russia is not a man with an envelope! This is a FACTORY, Machine. Well-established circuits. Built with one goal in mind - the withdrawal of budget funds. They don’t care where and what is being built. What is being robbed and who. This is a MACHINE, a terrible machine. And most importantly, there is no replacement for this mechanism yet. That is, ANY money sent to anything in Russia passes through this machine.

            There is only one answer - the fish rots from the head
          2. Komodo
            +2
            20 February 2013 13: 25
            Corruption in Russia is a device BUILT in public administration!
            You can transplant everyone, but in one place there is a bunch of applicants,
            Because the DREAM OF A FREEZE works. To break this apparatus, that’s what the challenge facing the GDP now is. But there is a considerable risk that all state administration may collapse. Therefore, it is necessary to simultaneously build a new system of government in the state. What is actually happening now. Having broken the order in which any, even the most honest, person, for the normal performance of his work, is forced to adapt to the rules of the GAME otherwise you will fly out, gobble up, the working mechanism of power will appear in the GDP. If it does not break, CORRUPTION WILL ASK ALL OF ITS PROJECTS .. AND PPC
            1. walter_rus
              +1
              20 February 2013 16: 38
              Corruption and bureaucracy are two sides of the same coin. A bloated bureaucratic system fuels corruption. In order for a citizen to achieve his legal right, he has to knock down the thresholds of bureaucratic offices, collect numerous certificates, get confused in conflicting laws ... It's easier to pay and solve the issue without hassle. Now the bureaucratic apparatus is only getting stronger, which means that the basis for corruption will only expand, and the fight against corruption will remain just a show. Our bureaucratic apparatus also spawns completely legal intermediary firms that, for a fee, help to get FREE government services, which a common person will achieve for the time being - he will lose his last health. This is also a form of corruption "in the law". It is not for nothing that lawyers say that they already value not professionalism, but the ability to come to an agreement with a judge.
            2. 0
              20 February 2013 18: 48
              Can you imagine how long this device was created !!! After all, even under Khrushchev, official chaos broke out. And that was already about 60 years ago. Remember how under Brezhnev, and later with humpback, everything came out of the thieves. Money was no goods, everything changed ...

              Now the question is political, because, I think, many here understand that even our GDP, once the director of the FSB, still could not rise to the top without the support of some comrades who have real power, but who prefer not to shine .. Whether these people are now out of the control of the president, or those referred to in the article only as a mask is a big question, but one thing is clear that if the bureaucrat’s apparatus was created, fostered itself for about 60 years (by the way, almost an anniversary), then, unfortunately, they will fight no less ...

              Ideally, VERY drastic measures are needed so that the people themselves cease to be interested in giving bribes, and all those who ask would be immediately sent to warm Magadan under the palm trees, then ... But as the classic said: "... wake me up in a hundred years and ask what is happening in Russia - I will answer - they STEAL ... "
          3. +3
            20 February 2013 16: 24
            Quote: Komodo
            That is, ANY money sent to anything in Russia passes through this machine.

            That's for sure! What to do? request
        2. +5
          20 February 2013 13: 08
          Every day, when we buy milk, bread, sausages, gasoline, gas, electricity, utilities, mobile operators, and so on, we pay tribute to bureaucrats, with a double. The price of each product already includes bribes to the lower stratum of corrupt officials - regulatory and permitting authorities. The same price includes taxes that, according to our naive belief, go to the treasury of the state for its benefit, but in fact they fall into the budget, which is most convenient to plunder at all levels of government. The main thing is to have the right to sign on behalf of the state or influence on the signatory. The greatest contribution to the development of corruption was made by the State Duma. Even the created committee to assess the corruption capacity of laws did not help, they are able to cut off no more than 3-5% of the norms that directly encourage corruption, and there is no need to talk about implicit and hidden opportunities. For the barter personally, the start of a real fight against corruption will not be the loud public distribution of outright thieves, it is more like another company, namely a deep and thoughtful revision of the legislation, the main purpose of which will be to eliminate the very possibility of stealing from the budget, plus the creation of an independent and authorized body that will to deal exclusively with corruption - as it will be called - budgetary reason, anti-corruption special forces - it does not matter, most importantly, that you have the authority to investigate and transfer l SC. And poking a thief in front of the camera in the nose that he is a thief is more an imitation than a real fight. Corruption, like any other crime, exists only because every criminal hopes that he, such a smart and cunning one, will be lucky and he will not get caught.
      2. +7
        20 February 2013 10: 25
        Quote: domokl
        Need to say, on Petrova, on Sidorov, on Ivanov and on ... Clearly and surnamely ....

        And the very literate will immediately answer you: where is the court's decision that he is a thief? On what basis do you call him that? After that the same Petrov, Ivanov, Sidorov will spit on your boot and leave "on business" in his Lexus ...
      3. +1
        20 February 2013 12: 43
        I forgot about the roof!
      4. stroporez
        0
        5 March 2013 11: 22
        Well please ----- Putin, Medvedev, Chubais, Serdyukov, Nurgaliyev continue?
    3. +5
      20 February 2013 10: 06
      Yeah! Long live our power! wassat wassat wassat I read such articles and I wonder how not they steal, but because there are still people who support them, and most importantly, there are most of these sheep! wassat wassat wassat
    4. +7
      20 February 2013 10: 18
      I agree. All criticized, repression ... Stalin repression. If the current thieves-enemies begin to be shot, as they deserve, then those repressions will seem like childish pranks. And you need to start shooting, otherwise we’ll wake up one day, but there’s no country, they plundered and sold everything.
      1. +3
        20 February 2013 10: 26
        Quote: Sinbad
        And you need to start shooting, otherwise we’ll wake up one day, but there’s no country, they plundered and sold everything.

        The whole trouble is that corruption has not spared neither the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor the FSB, nor the courts !!! Who will catch, judge ??? The power system is rotten through and through! am
        1. +16
          20 February 2013 10: 45
          Quote: nycsson
          The whole trouble is that corruption has not spared neither the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor the FSB, nor the courts !!! Who will catch, judge ??? The power system is rotten through and through!

          Alex, hi ! the only and undeniable way to fight corruption is
          1. Kaa
            +8
            20 February 2013 11: 52
            Quote: Tersky
            the only and undeniable way to fight corruption is

            There the neighbors do so ... it’s not a sin to adopt the experience ...
            1. +1
              20 February 2013 12: 06
              And what's the point. There, bribes were even deeper than ours.
              1. +4
                20 February 2013 12: 32
                Quote: leon-iv
                And what's the point.

                There is more sense in action than inaction!
                Quote: leon-iv
                There, bribes were even deeper than ours.

                Who told you that?
                1. 0
                  20 February 2013 13: 40
                  Who told you that?
                  The Chinese during a business trip.
                  1. +1
                    20 February 2013 16: 27
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    The Chinese during a business trip.

                    Then it is clear! stop
                    1. 0
                      20 February 2013 16: 49
                      Which is understandable?
                      1. 0
                        20 February 2013 21: 45
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        Which is understandable?

                        What is this nonsense!
              2. 0
                20 February 2013 12: 55
                Quote: leon-iv
                And what's the point. There, bribes were even deeper than ours.

                Where do you know from?
              3. +1
                20 February 2013 12: 58
                Quote: leon-iv
                ... There the bribes were even deeper than ours.
                There is a reason for that, I don’t remember which dynasty there was, a bribe was an official payment to an official for a certain job. This was reflected in public consciousness as a norm of behavior, although now it is not official. Now they’re dissolving ...
                And sense, it is always there, if you take it systematically and wisely. Our corrupt officials are sure that they acted as is generally accepted, but they were treated unfairly. So, at one time, the director of the Eliseevsky store could not understand - why ...? Therefore, the authorities demonstrate the struggle of the "Nanai boys".
                1. 0
                  20 February 2013 14: 44
                  Quote: V. Salama
                  There is a reason for that, I don’t remember which dynasty there was, a bribe was an official payment to an official for a certain job.

                  A bribe cannot be a priori official payment, then it turns into a salary or something like that.
                  Quote: V. Salama
                  This was reflected in public consciousness as a norm of behavior, although now it’s not official

                  laughing
                  Yes, but how many years ago did such a form exist? Is it part of genetic memory in Russians? Do you yourself believe in this nonsense?
                  1. +1
                    20 February 2013 15: 50
                    Quote: atalef
                    A bribe cannot be a priori official payment, then it turns into a salary or something like that.
                    Now almost every business (in the cost of goods, services) has a "corruption component", therefore, it is extremely problematic to defend their rights in the Court, local self-government bodies - if somewhere it becomes transparent and according to the law, then some people at the top start to earn less ", and this is already unacceptable. So for officials this is already a salary "or something like that" - call it what you want, the essence will not change.
                    Quote: atalef
                    ... and how many years ago did such a form exist?
                    In China, it existed long enough ... memory can fail, but it was a question of several generations.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Those. Is it part of genetic memory in Russians?
                    First, the Russians did not have such a tradition. They stole stealing, but what would be so ransacked ... Secondly, when I argued that "our corrupt officials are sure that they acted as is generally accepted ..." I thought that the common thing among our corrupt officials is obvious - "without bribes , cuts and kickbacks, the whole meaning of Russian bureaucracy is lost. "
                    Quote: atalef
                    Do you yourself believe in this nonsense?
                    Are you talking about the educational impact of the socio-economic formation on public consciousness? Well, I don’t know ... probably we studied at different schools.
                  2. Kaa
                    +1
                    20 February 2013 21: 57
                    Quote: atalef
                    But how many years ago did such a form exist?

                    “The emergence of Russian local bureaucracy was described by Andreevsky as follows:“ The desire to develop supreme power was noticeable already in the XNUMXth century, when the leader of the Varangian squad, which entered into close relations with some of the Slavic, Finnish and Latvian tribes, was Oleg. Oleg seeks to get into a different relationship with the vigilantes in comparison with Rurik. Rurik distributes the cities and regions to the vigilantes: "And distributing the city to his husband, Ovom Poltesk, Ovom Rostov, Ovom Beloozero. And for those cities, the essence of the discovery of the Varyazi." , mayors, starting with Yaropolk, and governors from the middle of the XII century "
                    Naturally, the discussion also touched upon the material remuneration of the governors for the service. They were given the right to collect tribute from local residents not only in favor of the prince, but also in their own - this was called "feeding". Wages varied depending on the feeding region. As the chronicler told in 1234 about the conquest of Galich by Prince Daniel, “and came a hundred on the birch of the Dniester, and took the land of Galich, and the cities were distributed to the boyars and governors, and they had a lot of food”.
                    The size of remuneration was inextricably linked with the number of local officials. There were not so many feeding places at the disposal of each prince, and there were plenty of warriors in need of feed. Therefore, the prince sometimes simply organized the artificial turnover of local cadres: each of the governors worked for no more than three years, but almost all the vigilantes managed to gain experience in the regions using the accelerated feeding system.
                    The ancient Russian principles of relations between the authorities and the people on the ground generally remained in subsequent periods when governors replaced governors and then governors.http: //www.gazetaprotestant.ru/2010/10/russkaya-tradiciya-kormleniya
                    -chinovnikov /
            2. +3
              20 February 2013 12: 25
              Quote: Kaa
              .Not a sin and experience to adopt ...

              Greetings, wise Kaa! So we have at least load our wagons ... wink
            3. +2
              20 February 2013 18: 52
              And what to introduce the death penalty. Imagine ... Announcement:

              Only today will a demonstration execution of bribe-taking officials be arranged. At the Luzhniki Stadium, entrance 50 rubles, for officials admission is free ...

              A full stadium, there are 10 stakes on the field, on which they start to plant especially distinguished bribe takers ... They writhe, long torment ... And people standing next to the officials among the spectators say - look carefully. You are expecting this too. If you grab ...

              This, of course, will not be with us, but so, dream ...)))
        2. walter_rus
          +1
          20 February 2013 16: 50
          That's it!!! "Who are the judges?" The same bribe-takers will shoot those who have not shared with them, and the amount of bribes will increase if it comes to life. And conversations like, "We should now have Stalin", in the current conditions simply do not make sense. Stalin's methods in the hands of the current authorities - it will be worse than 1937.
      2. +5
        20 February 2013 13: 35
        Quote: Sinbad
        announced All criticized, repression ... Stalin repression. If the current thieves-enemies begin to be shot, as they deserve, then those repressions will seem like childish pranks.

        And do not pay off repressions? Or now the cops and the FSB and the prosecutor’s office do not roof?
      3. stroporez
        +2
        20 February 2013 16: 20
        it is almost gone. and no one will shoot them --- if only the people take up this matter. Vova tryndit about corruption, but he comes from the same species. And, frankly, it’s disgusting to listen to his arguments about corruption
    5. танк
      +2
      20 February 2013 10: 39
      Stalin is unlikely to help, in China they shoot them every month and they’ll steal nothing ... they’re not even given deadlines, we can say they help !!!
      1. +3
        20 February 2013 12: 03
        So China is not an example in this regard. There are over a billion of them, and no matter how many they shoot! And the attitude of the shooters themselves is apparently philosophical (they will shoot, but at least managed to live ...)
        Our situation is different. All this obese bastard so values ​​his worthless life that a death sentence will be a very significant preventive measure!
        And the most important factor: - the punishment itself is not so much affected as its inevitability!
        If a corrupt official knows that he took a bribe - 100% left for Magadan, or was shot, corruption will disappear by itself! Now, as we quoted in the discussion of the article "People's Acne": "We have actually convicted for accepting a bribe - 18.9 percent. The remaining 81,1 percent have not suffered any punishment."

        That is, we have the following: if you were caught in a bribe (which is unlikely, if in 2009 in the whole of Russia only about 11 thousand cases were revealed), then in four cases out of five you will not get anything!
        1. stroporez
          +1
          20 February 2013 16: 24
          the one who takes bribes specifically knows that his family will not be taken away this money. who can remember when the last confiscation took place ?????
    6. mamba
      +6
      20 February 2013 11: 07
      Quote: Sergeant
      Stalin is not enough for them

      He managed to develop an effective system for managing officials. There was a stick and a carrot. A whip is a camp or a bullet in the back of the head, and a carrot is an official privilege, but without any private property and, especially, foreign currency accounts in offshore. All other methods of managing officials in Russia have shown their complete failure, and the current one is complete lawlessness.
    7. +2
      20 February 2013 12: 00
      Quote: Sergeant
      Stalin is not enough for them

      Oh, Sergeant, with your lips and honey to drink .....
    8. 0
      20 February 2013 19: 03
      Here Stalin is already powerless; officials will crush him or poison him. Here we need Mister Guillotine with a "Scottish maiden" (Guillotine proposed to use a guillotine, which was called a "Scottish maiden in Scotland and Ireland, after the name - the guillotine stuck). , for example: Serdyukov) and give the rest of the officials 24 hours to write confessions, otherwise - the guillotine. I forgot to clarify, the example of Serdyukov shows that both relatives are involved in the corruption scheme, and these are there too - to Execution Ground.
      1. +1
        20 February 2013 21: 14
        Quote: starshina78
        To put this thing on Red Square on the Forehead Place, to conduct a demonstrative execution of the embezzler (preferably a rank higher, for example: Serdyukov)

        But isn’t it better to immediately heal the head off to the serfs' roofers? And then who are the little ones without a roof?
        1. 0
          20 February 2013 21: 47
          Quote: Karabin
          But isn’t it better to immediately heal the head off to the serfs' roofers?

          You decided to raise your hand? laughing
          1. 0
            21 February 2013 00: 49
            nycsson,
            On William, ours, and on Shakespeare.
    9. Kommunisten
      0
      21 February 2013 02: 13
      Luzhkov! Luzhkov forgot !!! and his prostitute! there is still at least 5 billion, and not rubles.
    10. +2
      24 February 2013 11: 31
      Get such a Joseph Vissarionovich!
    11. 0
      4 March 2013 07: 58
      That is, there is a normal way to keep the brakes on the case, a collective lawsuit of citizens against any leader demanding compensation, and you don’t even have to twitch. The hype is in the press. And the enforced attention of law enforcement officers is provided to them.
  2. +4
    20 February 2013 09: 09
    They steal, they even know who steals and how much .... But there are no landings ........ sad

    Strange, is this a policy of combating corruption ???? He stole, then the prosecutor's office will take you a little for interrogations and leave you alone, stay on stealing .... inspire other bastards with your "fiery example" ???

    Oh, right Sergeant .... Stalin is not on them
    1. 0
      20 February 2013 09: 15
      .And there are no landings ........
      And whom to put homeless Vasya on whom everything is framed?
      Do you think fools are sitting there?
      In our region one chizhik grazed for almost a year to train.
      And so he lived by proxy.
    2. gas
      gas
      +13
      20 February 2013 09: 32
      There are no landings due to the fact that the party of "thieves and swindlers" is in power. Sawing little by little the country - here's all the innovations for you!
      1. -2
        20 February 2013 09: 41
        There are no landings due to the fact that the party of "thieves and swindlers" is in power.
        You forgot to add prosalivsepolymers and banduputin support.
        Current, none of these wrestlers wants to testify, and they themselves quietly give the traffic police 500ku. and they say how awful to live.
        1. +3
          20 February 2013 09: 50
          Quote: leon-iv
          You forgot to add prosalivsepolymers and banduputin support.

          I add: prosralivsepolymers and banduputin support.
          Quote: leon-iv
          Current, none of these wrestlers wants to testify, and they themselves quietly give the traffic police 500ku.

          Fine. Why not officially legitimize corruption on this basis? He stole, paid taxes and live in peace. wassat
          1. 0
            20 February 2013 10: 33
            Quote: Ribwort
            Why not officially legitimize corruption on this basis? He stole, paid taxes and live in peace. wassat

            They have already legalized it, only unofficially! At this pace, arrogance will soon be enough and officially legalized! wassat
            1. 0
              20 February 2013 11: 55
              At this pace, arrogance will soon be enough and officially legalized!
              How would you say in the Geyrops they steal and roll back no less, but much more is a fact.
              So there is the so-called horse and grassroots corruption.
              With the grassroots (household) successfully fought. Simplifying many procedures.
              And with a horse everything is much more complicated. And it’s very difficult with the evidence base.
              Take the same authorities now very strictly monitor income and property. But this is up to half a year inclusive.
              And I also recommend looking at the current elite all over the former CPSU or the Komsomol.
              1. 0
                20 February 2013 12: 34
                Quote: leon-iv
                And I also recommend looking at the current elite all over the former CPSU or the Komsomol.

                You can’t argue with that!
              2. Passing
                +1
                20 February 2013 12: 54
                Quote: leon-iv
                in the Geyrops they steal and roll back no less, but much more is a fact.

                An interesting statement. Give these very facts.
                1. +1
                  20 February 2013 13: 42
                  Give these very facts.
                  With Mercedes and Government
                  Cut on eurofighter
                  A few days ago here in Italy and verts to Indians.
                  This is so without googling.
                  1. Passing
                    +4
                    20 February 2013 17: 27
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    With Mercedes and Government

                    Those. Mercedes-Benz gave a bribe to his officials (from the European Union) to drive in domestic (German) cars, and not in foreign Caddilacs? And what, I like this approach, sound and patriotic, one benefit from it.
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    Cut on eurofighter

                    Airbassers gave a bribe to the Australians in the amount of millions of dollars to give them their planes for billions. I cut it with such two hands. Only this is called not a cut, but patriotic activity in the field of commerce is strictly in the interests of YOUR country. I respect the Erbasites, true guardians for the good of the European Union.

                    Quote: leon-iv
                    A few days ago here in Italy and verts to Indians.

                    The same thing, Italians are promoting their products to the Indians. Millions were spent on bribes to Hindus so that Italy would receive Indian billions. Well done Italians, true patriots ,. everything in the house, everything in the family. With the world on a string - Italy shirt.
                    Now compare this with the activities of Russian defective managers ...
          2. +4
            20 February 2013 11: 30
            Quote: Ribwort
            Why not officially legitimize corruption on this basis?
            So it all started with this, for which they fought .... They probably forgot how the main theorist of corruption Gavriil Popov in two issues in a row of the Izvestia newspaper substantiated the benefits of corruption for the state and its legalization. The whole problem turns out to be only that it is necessary to give and take according to the rank - tariffs must be clearly defined. And no one came to him with a warrant / Mauser, and even now he is free and in authority. I was moved not so long ago - one journalist asks him: "Do you think we will defeat corruption or not?" Found someone to ask.
            Quote: Ribwort
            He stole, paid taxes and live in peace.
            Absolutely the same. Boris Nemtsov owns the statement: "We all have to pay taxes - both thieves and prostitutes ..."
            1. +1
              20 February 2013 12: 14
              So after all, Gavriil Popov seems to give testimony in the Main Court itself? They do not take bribes there ... Or is already condemned to "imprisonment in hell forever" ...
              And Nemtsov’s Borya was already waiting for the devil ... And he and his friends and associates still manage to run ... Until ... Not long left!
              1. 0
                20 February 2013 14: 13
                Quote: AlNikolaich
                So, does Gabriel Popov seem to give evidence in the Main Court itself?
                Good news, however. I thought I would never live ... But I mean, under what slogans everything was built and that in the end we got what we wanted. Now they are struggling with excesses, cosmetically - with those who are out of order or have lost their scent altogether - they take too much, and "the object does not even think about giving up" (in short - the hillock fails).
              2. stroporez
                0
                5 March 2013 11: 28
                boo-ha-ha !!!!!!!!! wassat and who will plant them? .................
          3. 0
            20 February 2013 13: 50
            Fine. Why not officially legitimize corruption on this basis? He stole, paid taxes and live in peace.
            I'm talking about what you need to start with yourself.
            Provide evidence to the police and prosecutors. Once they’re smeared a second time, they will think about doing it or not, and if it’s not a major official, they will put him in prison. It’s bad that provincial affairs are not publicized.
            1. +1
              20 February 2013 15: 55
              Quote: leon-iv
              There is evidence to give them to the police and the prosecutor's office ...... It is bad that provincial cases are not publicized.
              Unfortunately, not everyone in the province lives. They presented evidence already ... I don’t feel like it anymore ...
              1. +1
                20 February 2013 15: 59
                Give an example and in what instances. Police prosecutors supervisory authorities. Write a couple of dozen times and everything will be fine.
                1. +2
                  20 February 2013 16: 27
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Give an example and in what instances.
                  An example of personal experience - 2009. Instances: - I started with the labor inspectorate, the district court won (thanks to the judge - such an exception), the undercover game began, appealed to the district prosecutor's office - everything was under control. The next authorities - the FSB for the subject - were sent to the prosecutor's office of the subject, those to the regional and regional police departments, they were shocked - why should we? In short, everything was ruined. Money then decided everything. The highest instance of the court - everything is under control. Year butted, the one with whom he butted hinted "the innocent will suffer." When the investigator of the prosecutor's office hinted this to me, if I would appeal against his decision ... then I realized that I was addressing the wrong address, I was dealing with a specific gang. All these people are still in good health, so I have no reason to believe in a change in the situation.
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2013 16: 50
                    All these people are still alive, so I have no reason to believe in a change in the situation.
                    If so, write to the OSB of these departments,
        2. +3
          20 February 2013 10: 31
          Quote: leon-iv
          You forgot to add prosalivsepolymers and banduputin support.

          Isn't that a gang in your opinion? Gang and what! And I have no doubt that she is HIS! And all of them need to be tried!
          1. -2
            20 February 2013 11: 58
            Gang and what! And I have no doubt that she is HIS! And all of them need to be tried!
            Ehh I love the slogans)))) because under them there is always a void.
            And you do not know who after?
            Throats and liberals?
            Nothing in Russia will not change anything until the elites change.
            Ali do you want pale youths with burning eyes? Already passed enough.
            Threat and you at Divov Vybrakovka read there it is well painted.
            1. +4
              20 February 2013 12: 36
              Quote: leon-iv
              Ali do you want pale youths with burning eyes? Already passed enough.

              I want order in the country, that's all! And for this, the government should perform the functions of government, and not steal!
              1. 0
                20 February 2013 13: 51
                I want order in the country, that's all!
                Do you have any facts of corruption?
                If there is, pass them on to authorities.
                1. 0
                  20 February 2013 15: 57
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Do you have any facts of corruption?
                  If there is, pass them on to authorities.
                  Oh, to drop everything ... and wave to you, in the province ...
                2. 0
                  20 February 2013 16: 32
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Do you have any facts of corruption?

                  Read the article up there! Or are you few facts? We kind of discuss these facts!
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  If there is, pass them on to authorities.

                  Or maybe it should be done as one of the tools to combat this evil!
              2. stroporez
                0
                20 February 2013 16: 31
                in order to "manage" it is necessary to have at least some knowledge. but do we have many professionals in power ?????????
            2. Passing
              +1
              20 February 2013 12: 58
              Quote: leon-iv
              And you do not know who after? Throats and liberals?

              Are there normal people in Russia? If your so beloved power drove all normal honest people into economic and social settlers, this does not mean that they all died out. At least for now.
              1. -1
                20 February 2013 13: 44
                Are there normal people in Russia?
                Is there where I denied this?
                If yours, so adored power
                lol where I said that I think the current government is right. I have always been for the monarchy and empire.
                drove all normal honest people into economic and social settlers
                And where is it?
                1. 0
                  20 February 2013 16: 34
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  And where is it?

                  Everywhere! Or do you think that our salaries and pensions are normal? Ask how much unemployment benefits are paid in Europe!
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2013 16: 55
                    Europe unemployment benefits!
                    Germany and France approx. 1500 Eureka. if you paid all taxes when you worked and were fired for their labor, not for violations. If not, then less.
                    Or do you think that our salaries and pensions are normal?
                    I kind of yes.
                    You know, working with people, I began to understand who wants to work and can make very good money. Who does not want aching as everything is bad.
                    1. 0
                      20 February 2013 21: 52
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      Germany and France approx. 1500 Eureka.

                      Not only with them!
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      I kind of yes.

                      Yes, I'm not bad either! For retirees, teachers and doctors it's a shame!
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      Who does not want aching as everything is bad.

                      And here you are mistaken! Someone must work in medicine and education, etc. Or should everyone go into business?
                2. walter_rus
                  0
                  20 February 2013 16: 58
                  But isn’t we a monarchy? Only the scenery is democratic.
                  1. -3
                    20 February 2013 17: 08
                    But isn’t we a monarchy?
                    not yet hopefully.
                3. Passing
                  0
                  20 February 2013 17: 34
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  where I said that I think the current government is right. I have always been for the monarchy and empire.

                  It seemed to mean))) And yes, I have already crossed myself!
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  And where is it?

                  Get out of the Ring, so a hundred kilometers ...
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2013 17: 49
                    Yes, I kind of live there. Ivanovo
          2. stroporez
            0
            20 February 2013 16: 29
            just do not have to be judged. kill all ---- The Lord will recognize his ........
    3. Yoshkin Kot
      0
      20 February 2013 09: 48
      knowledge and opinion is not a fact belay
    4. +2
      20 February 2013 09: 50
      Quote: JonnyT

      Strange, is this the policy of such a fight against corruption ???
      Nothing strange ... In any company where they pay a gray salary, everyone steals and everyone knows it ... But if I get one more salary from above and do not pay taxes, then I’m done ... I’m not letting my family go hungry in McDonalds .. .Type I kind of like an honest man ...
      And from here it turns out that the larger the position, the more honesty seems to be worth more ... Bribe takers not from the Moon or America came to us, they used to work with you and me in neighboring offices ...
      1. +2
        20 February 2013 11: 39
        Yes ... but why ??? Let them steal from firms for the production of bras, or from a network of makdaka or whatever else ....... But they steal from those industries that are of strategic importance !!!!!! Defense, Space, Science, Industry, Energy ..... yes with their theft they inflict huge damage on our country ..... this theft must be attributed to betrayal ....... and you are right about the Bribe-takers, they worked with us .... but the management system was created in the image of Western bourgeois systems ..... capitalism and democracy with the Russian mentality are murdered! The pro-Western politicians have actively introduced this system to us ... and they then definitely know how to help our country fall apart ..... In Russia they always stole ... Peter the first for the theft to his friend Menshikov personally beat his face .... but never stolen didn’t go to foreigners ...... The mediators and officials stole, but this money was invested in their region !!!!! ..... the assets where all the stolen goods lie ?? Correctly in the English American Bank of Switzerland ...... that money in the form of investments work for the western economy
        1. Komodo
          0
          20 February 2013 11: 44
          That's all for sure. By the way: In RosAtom recently a corporate party was arranged with Patricia Kaas.
          B ... and, Better if they called Pugachev.))
          1. -1
            20 February 2013 11: 59
            Are you her fan?
            By the way, ask how much Areva or Westinghouse unfastens.
            1. Komodo
              +2
              20 February 2013 12: 05
              I don’t know who Areva and Westinghouse are. I know that Kaas is a Frenchwoman,
              and Pugacheva is local. And at least 12 million would not go abroad. Well, at least not all.
              1. -1
                20 February 2013 13: 47
                I don’t know who Areva and Westinghouse are.
                um, do you definitely work in the nuclear field? wassat
                1. Komodo
                  0
                  20 February 2013 13: 53
                  leon-iv um and you definitely work in the nuclear field ,
                  I did only one object for them
            2. +1
              20 February 2013 12: 38
              Quote: leon-iv
              Are you her fan?

              What kind of perverse arguments you have! request I wonder how much it costs? Maybe this money needed to be spent on development, or is it from tax evasion?
      2. lucidlook
        +1
        20 February 2013 21: 28
        Almost completely agree. Nearly. There is a difference which in no case should be overlooked. As long as money is spinning within the state, even if it is not always spinning legally, it is not a problem for the state itself, it is a blessing. For individual citizens who suffer from theft, this, of course, is evil. But now I would like to focus on something else.

        If this money was somehow invested in production, in infrastructure or in the services sector within the country, then one way or another they would contribute to the development of the state.

        However, as soon as this (stolen) money leaves the state - i.e. withdrawn to foreign banks, this is where the worst comes. These finances will then necessarily return to the country one way or another, but in the form of loans. And what is bank interest bondage, I think everyone knows.

        This, in my opinion, is the worst. By their actions, these people actually contribute to the establishment of control over the country's economy by foreign financial institutions. Whether they understand it or not, I don’t know, but it doesn’t change the essence.
    5. +5
      20 February 2013 10: 17
      Quote: JonnyT
      And there are no landings ...

      The investigation also has these corrupt officials, I know for sure. And if it comes to court, then the price tag goes up to heaven. And everything is in chocolate, and a corrupt official, and a trail (also a corrupt official), and judges. And the money is spent. Yes, and I see no reason to plant these corrupt officials, they still will not be able to work, it is better to destroy them right away. And so everyone will be fooled, refuse to testify, refer to the Constitution. And, unfortunately, it is impossible to return Stalin, but the death penalty is possible.
      By the way, in the next election I will vote for the political party that will include in its program the return of the death penalty for corruption. Go for it, politicians!
    6. +4
      20 February 2013 10: 29
      Quote: JonnyT
      Strange, is this the policy of such a fight against corruption ????

      No - this is not such a policy, but a proof that they are all at one! am
  3. predator.3
    +3
    20 February 2013 09: 21
    "... You can go on and on, but already here comes the sum of almost 63,5 billion rubles. And if we take into account that the average iceberg has 85-90 percent of the volume hidden under water, then such a size of theft, kickbacks and others appears. manifestations of corruption, that a very bad idea comes to mind ... "

    That is why all suspects should be put in jail, and not under house arrest! (By the way, Serdyukov and his resident Vasilyev again took cover behind Art. 51)
    1. +5
      20 February 2013 10: 35
      Quote: predator.3
      By the way, Serdyukov and his PZZ Vasilyeva again covered up for Art. 51)

      They steal and write laws for themselves! All they have in mind! Yes This suggests that we have full agreement between the legislative, executive and judicial powers! wassat
  4. +5
    20 February 2013 09: 22
    Until the thieves get a life sentence with complete confiscation, there will be no sense in reforms.
    1. +1
      20 February 2013 09: 52
      Quote: erased
      Until the thieves get a life sentence with complete confiscation, there will be no sense in reforms.
      Yeah ... They only steal alone, and Zyz-chairmen from drunkards and homeless people will sit ... Half of the companies belong to them ... Only they, most often, do not know about it ... fellow
      1. +5
        20 February 2013 14: 48
        Quote: domokl
        and zits-chairmen from drunkards and homeless people will sit ... Half of the firms belong to them ... Only they, most often, do not know about it ...

        Why is the declaration of the new prime minister of Georgia - 39 pages? Does anyone doubt that Putin and Medvedev are poorer? While the leaders of the state will load such noodles to the people - officials understand - everything is as before, there are no changes
    2. +3
      20 February 2013 11: 06
      erased

      But - "... this face paints ..." About 13 years old ... apparently - "... Someone is in a position, someone is in a position, someone has been deceived by an accountant, and someone has a certificate ..." feel
      The article is a plus. But the point ... request
  5. melkie
    +3
    20 February 2013 09: 22
    They steal from impunity, well, stole, well, they scolded you anyway, and here they are. By such slurred actions against embezzlers, Putin shows his weakness both in front of them and the people. But he would have brought all matters to its logical conclusion, gave the command to the security forces and, you see, the authority among the people has earned and everything is in accordance with the law.
    1. djon3volta
      -2
      20 February 2013 11: 24
      Quote: melkie
      Putin shows his weakness both in front of them and in front of the people.

      if Putin begins to act 100% on the fight against corruption, then they can deal with him like with Stalin, hell and everything. A storm will begin in society and the Kremlin. And who will be put in place of Putin? God forbid Kudrin or Medvedev, then there will be money, security officials pushed back in an instant, a type 90s suit is only a little softer so that people would not knock with helmets and do not require a salary of 5-10 months.
      there are many traitors around Putin. even Kazak. do you think the Cossack didn’t know that Belalov whistled 7 lards? he probably knew, but he didn’t speak to Putin, he was silent, he didn’t know .. Putin can’t know everything, it’s not real.
      1. +7
        20 February 2013 14: 50
        Quote: djon3volta
        if Putin begins to act on 100% anti-corruption, then they can deal with him as with Stalin,

        Bravo !!! Corruption is immortal, bear with it, otherwise God forbid the sun is clear and then ..... People hawl
  6. vladsolo56
    +9
    20 February 2013 09: 30
    All this is just a PR company, for Putin, because it’s no secret that many have already been seduced, you constantly read: here they say how well done Putin how he famously spins. And who is spinning and where is it spinning? Not a single convicted and imprisoned, if they are convicted, is definitely some accountant or supply manager. There are two options, either Putin is afraid, or he is in share.
    1. Komodo
      +3
      20 February 2013 09: 52
      Why would he share? Does the first person in the state who knows that he dies at the presidency, at presidential support, don’t give him money at all? A person works for a PLACE IN HISTORY. This is not a market trader.
      He knows very well that in Russia, after the ruler’s death, they love to wash the bones and sooner or later all the dark affairs come up. So the option is that it does not work in proportion. There is something else .. Most likely this is a system. That is, the whole system is thoroughly saturated with this spirit of theft. And it’s not so easy to deal with it. First of all, because for this you need to build another working system.
      1. 0
        20 February 2013 12: 21
        Quote: Komodo
        A man works on a PLACE IN HISTORY.
        There is such a science of axiology - the science of human needs, in which a hierarchy of needs is defined (Maslow's "pyramid"). Where it is stated that the needs of the higher order are denied until the needs of the lower order are satisfied. In short, it is most likely that first a "share" is needed, and only then a "place in history" is needed. On this occasion, there is still a good anecdote.
        Quote: Komodo
        ... sooner or later, all the dark things come up.
        Yes floated already ...
        1. Komodo
          +1
          20 February 2013 12: 24
          But there are people who have remained from the Soviet Union, for whom material values ​​do not mean anything at all.
          I work for an IDEA. There are still many of them, thank God, in Russia. And, according to "Maslow's pyramid," "a person who has stepped onto a higher step is no longer interested in the lower step."
          1. +1
            20 February 2013 12: 54
            Quote: Komodo
            But there are people who have remained from the Soviet Union ... Thank God there are many more in Russia.

            Already, unfortunately, less ...
            1. +1
              20 February 2013 16: 37
              Quote: Ribwort
              Already, unfortunately, less ...

              And every year there are less and less ...... crying I look at today's generation and am amazed!
              1. stroporez
                0
                5 March 2013 11: 46
                I now remember the words "today you took the chewing gum, and tomorrow you will betray the Motherland." then it was funny, but that's exactly what happened ......... oh, you should know where you fall ........
          2. +2
            20 February 2013 14: 24
            Quote: Komodo
            .... a person who has stepped onto a higher step is no longer interested in the lower step. "
            Here I see a methodological error. You are considering the wrong situation.
            Quote: Komodo
            ... there are people who are still from the Soviet Union, for whom material values ​​mean nothing at all.
            Who work for an IDEA
            And here I have nothing to object, only they are not in the country's leadership - the theory of systems: an alien element, the system rejects or modifies, or perishes.
      2. +1
        20 February 2013 20: 12
        We already went through all this during the NEP "Koreiko and others like him innocently repressed" so there is a recipe, only political will is needed.
  7. Fost325
    +2
    20 February 2013 09: 30
    I hope this will be the end stop
    1. calculator
      +2
      20 February 2013 15: 04


      She is the most ...
      1. +4
        20 February 2013 15: 47
        Boris Nemtsov, as always, deceived everyone. 50 billion is not for sports facilities (as Putin promised) but for the entire infrastructure, and it takes the lion's share in construction. But he even lies at a glance (not knowing the real numbers and wanting to promote himself), and he can't count - 50-80% is not 25-35 but 25-40 billion dollars. By the way, out of these 50 billions, the lion's share of the money of Russian corporations "asked" to chip in Putin. I wonder how Nemtsov asked them to throw the Russians on skates and balls, I think they will beat him to death with these skates. Thank God in Russia there are enough smart people who do not fall for this lie mixed with populism and thirst for money.
  8. +22
    20 February 2013 09: 30
    No one on the forum can convince me that honestly you can earn millions, I don’t write about billions. I repeat no one. Vorye is not only in Russia, it in all CIS countries.Since the Russian site is spreading infographics of the richest, the so-called businessmen.
    On expensive yachts, entertainment, cool cars for security, etc. they have money and for some reason they don’t have money for orphans in Russia. Orphans of Russia die for them. If each of them donated at least part of the money, they wouldn’t have to give the kids to America. I’m still shocked by the baby’s death. you are damned .............................. businessmen. am
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      -1
      20 February 2013 09: 52
      nonsense! dog, count the cost of summer cottages near Moscow, yes apartments in the central heating
    2. +5
      20 February 2013 10: 38
      Quote: Apollon
      On expensive yachts, entertainment, cool cars for security, etc. they have money and for some reason they don’t have money for orphans in Russia. Orphans of Russia die for them. If each of them donated at least part of the money, they wouldn’t have to give the kids to America. I’m still shocked by the baby’s death. you are damned .............................. businessmen.

      I fully support you! hi
    3. 0
      21 February 2013 14: 16
      the biggest fortunes were made in the most dishonest way, I don’t remember who said it. And one more thing: I can report for every one million, except the first, it seems rockefeller. So corruption and others like them not only flourish here
  9. +9
    20 February 2013 09: 31
    The impression is that this Wu Dot does not understand who he is talking to.
    My forecast is that if 22 Taburetkin transfers to the category of defendants (as an apology to the honor of officers), then the president has a plan. In a different scenario, partisan detachments named after Kvachkov and Khabarov will appear and this is the worst thing for the country. Such disclosed facts should be followed in recent days. We wait!
    1. SCS
      SCS
      +5
      20 February 2013 10: 10
      That's right, the Serdyukov’s case will clearly show who is who!
    2. mamba
      +5
      20 February 2013 11: 30
      Quote: Bort Radist
      The impression is that this Wu Dot does not understand who he is talking to.

      And there is. The official was so snickered that he lost his adequacy. fool
      Quote: Bort Radist
      My forecast is that if 22 Taburetkin goes to the category of accused, then the president has a plan. In a different scenario, partisan detachments named after Kvachkov and Khabarov will appear and this is the worst thing for the country.

      But my forecast is this: Taburetkin is unsinkable and, after spending a short time in the president’s personnel reserve, will receive an even more bread position. GDP deliberately agitates the people, its nightmare about mass corruption, to finally bring us to the streets and in the wake of popular anger (maybe even with some pogroms wink ) give vent to your feelings ... angry
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Such promulgated facts should be followed in recent days. We wait!

      On the part of GDP, no new action will follow. Not from him we need to wait for action, but to begin to act ourselves. But will we rise?
      1. +2
        20 February 2013 12: 43
        Quote: mamba
        On the part of GDP, no new actions will follow.

        This is already a hedgehog in the forest!
        Quote: mamba
        But will we rise?

        We do not need to rise! Everything must be done according to the law, through elections, otherwise there will be another 17 years! It is necessary to bring the truth to the people!
        1. stroporez
          +1
          20 February 2013 16: 40
          just need to rise. while the Kremlin scum at the throat trench bayonet will not feel ---- not a bit of a change ...........
          1. 0
            20 February 2013 21: 56
            stroporez,
            Power, and therefore money, voluntarily no one will give up! Tokoy mochilovo will be, the 17th will rest!
            1. stroporez
              0
              5 March 2013 13: 41
              an abscess can be treated in any way, but, it seems, it is best to open ....... otherwise and not far from sepsis .........
    3. vyatom
      +2
      20 February 2013 12: 41
      The worst thing is that Kvachkov is contrary to existing legislation, but there is no Kozak, Serdyukov and others like them.
    4. dmb
      +4
      20 February 2013 16: 14
      Of course have. And I can even imagine which one. Knowing full well the actions of the Serdyukovskaya company and being this unhappy, he could very well not have appointed him to the new government without much damage to his image. The army would welcome this news with such glee that no one should be planted. But Vova thought about tomorrow. Happiness among fellow citizens from his election did not increase, the rating falls, the opposition, okay, they would just bawl, otherwise they will dump the dirt on their own party. And one from which you can’t get away. It’s necessary to take someone. And not just rent, but noisy. Well, so that the people understand, well, he has a benefactor and a protector. Look how, the native minister did not regret. However, if it’s really cool to take and hide the crook right into the jail, other crooks of the same level may not understand. Replace will not be replaced, but they can become dirty. Ask for political asylum in the West, publish schemes for withdrawing money from the treasury. And therefore, Taburetkin is saved as an accused in the event that the rating is completely worthless, which is not excluded even if the Stabilization Fund transfers money to a private shop. Here Stulian will become the accused. And it can even fall, oh horror, under house arrest. The people rejoice, the rating has risen. And the investigation will be conducted for several years and end with a suspended sentence. Everyone is happy.
      1. stroporez
        0
        5 March 2013 13: 45
        then this and that. the power keeps the people for the shtetl idiots. and openly plays the farce "how Vova fought against corruption." and we for the most part all this "hawala"
  10. Komodo
    +12
    20 February 2013 09: 33
    Well, plus. I put into operation a certain atomic object
    in Russia, in a contract. The facility is multi-billion dollar. 30% of the rollback + overpriced estimates + some other schemes, somewhere around 2 billion they took away. This is just one object. Somewhere else they are building a second one.
    The customer company, as far as I know, is still working successfully. When they say that they took it. I believe in the fight against corruption. The owners of this criminal community, somewhere very high. Kiriyenko level (head of the Atom ROS), at least. Bilalov, whose people are Kiriyenko? Who is their master? He steers, the whole view. But we were not able to trace the thread above.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      -3
      20 February 2013 09: 52
      Are you sure the estimates are just out of date? and the regulations in them are wrong?
      1. Komodo
        +5
        20 February 2013 10: 03
        For example: According to estimates, one local facility cost 80 million. We did it for 17. And we gave 30%.
        They have the difference in their pocket. This is an entire industry. Starting from the institutes that draws these estimates.
        1. Skavron
          +1
          20 February 2013 14: 12
          By the way, contacts are being established through the institutes ... for example, any designer, as a rule, already has in his "friends" the entire prepared chain of performers. I found a lot of orders through such comrades in 2007-2008.
          1. Komodo
            0
            20 February 2013 14: 16
            And the estimate is almost always made for a specific "customer", "contractor"
        2. 0
          20 February 2013 16: 44
          Quote: Komodo
          And 30% still gave.

          Have you been given? From what amount?
          1. Komodo
            0
            20 February 2013 17: 49
            Rollback. We have given.
      2. 0
        20 February 2013 12: 00
        A good estimator easily inflates the estimate 2-3 times.
        1. Komodo
          0
          20 February 2013 12: 12
          And the pros estimator, makes in such amount what they say.
          Therefore, in the workshops for the withdrawal of budgetary money are real aces.
          Their skill would be a good deed ...
    2. Skavron
      +1
      20 February 2013 14: 07
      Quote: Komodo
      Kiriyenko level (head of Atom ROS)

      Rosatom built a plant in Ukraine.
      The equipment supply scheme was fine-tuned, and then I intervened with my dumping. The howl rose utterly. We then pushed through the deal mainly because of the delivery time (the equipment was "on fire"). Otherwise no one would have let the fuck out of me.
      1. Komodo
        +1
        20 February 2013 14: 12
        The howl rose utterly.

        Small tenders can still be won somehow. Great horseradish.
        Upstairs, everyone is sawing.
        After meeting with them, we almost went bankrupt.
        For the victory over ROSATOM !! drinks drinks drinks
        1. Skavron
          +1
          20 February 2013 14: 53
          I’ll drink a drink, but for the victory over corruption))))) drinks
        2. 0
          20 February 2013 16: 46
          Quote: Komodo
          Upstairs, everyone is sawing.

          Who would doubt that! Yes
    3. +1
      20 February 2013 16: 43
      Quote: Komodo
      But we were not able to trace the thread above.

      Yeah! The wrong country was called Honduras !!! request
  11. +4
    20 February 2013 09: 41
    Somehow, in the year 2004-2006, we drove out the post of mayor of Sergiev Posad c. Goncharova V.D. This gr. I went to work in a RusHydro directed by my relative Gromov, the head of the Moscow region. Our Sergiev Posad is one of not many great centers of Orthodoxy, but you rarely see such a srach in the streets, and all because Goncharov and Gromov were offended that they did not choose Goncharov as mayor. The conclusion is not it time to shoot all these reptiles?
  12. +2
    20 February 2013 09: 41
    Why look for thieves. Their list is on display in Forbes magazine. And about the thieves - the leaders whom we chose and rob us.
  13. KCC
    KCC
    +2
    20 February 2013 09: 41
    Landings are needed, and until there is no trust in the authorities, too, there will be no positive trend. There is now a lot of talk about cuts, bribes and kickbacks, let's hope they slowly turn on, but go quickly. Give land and return funds to the budget.
    1. Komodo
      +2
      20 February 2013 11: 00
      And if at the factory, one worker is removed from the machine,
      then a newly hired worker in his place, after what time
      learn to work on this machine?
      And then the same crap.
      1. 0
        20 February 2013 16: 47
        Quote: Komodo
        And then the same crap.

        Need control! Without it, all this bullshit!
  14. +2
    20 February 2013 09: 42
    According to my calculations (pure theorizing on known facts) Every year, the country's annual budget goes to the left ... It is from there that the prices, billions in the accounts, and the lack of money in the pension fund, for example.
    Until Russia passes a law on income control, as well as a law on spending, we will not achieve anything ...
    The origin of money and big purchases should be monitored by the state ... It is time to stop pretending that we all believe in the grandmother’s legacy of officials, deputies and businessmen ....
    1. +4
      20 February 2013 09: 54
      Quote: domokl
      Until Russia passes a law on income control, as well as a law on spending, we will not achieve anything ...

      What is in the way? Or who? I remember when Putin needed, and the Duma and the Federation Council approved his initiatives "at once" and in the shortest possible time what
      1. +5
        20 February 2013 10: 03
        Quote: Ribwort
        And what is stopping you? Or who?
        Anatoly, do you know how much a deputy in the State Duma costs? No one is hiding the numbers ... But can you afford to use such money for the elections? I doubt that you have it ...
        Here is the answer ... Who paid the deputy, he will protect the interests of that ...
        1. +2
          20 February 2013 10: 28
          Quote: domokl
          Here is the answer ... Who paid the deputy, he will protect the interests of that ...

          I agree and there is nothing to add. + You ...
          1. stroporez
            0
            5 March 2013 14: 14
            this is a shame ---- formally they are all "PEOPLE" deputies
      2. +2
        20 February 2013 10: 19
        Quote: Ribwort
        What is in the way? Or who? I remember when Putin needed, and the Duma and the Federation Council approved his initiatives "at once" and in the shortest possible time

        The system is in the way! She will not accept laws against herself!
    2. Komodo
      0
      20 February 2013 14: 30
      Approximately the country's annual budget goes to the left annually.

      But what remains?
  15. Straiser
    +2
    20 February 2013 09: 44
    Amazed by the numbers. 63.5 billion rubles. This budget is not one area. What time! Previously, the numbers sounded in the media in the millions of rubles, now they steal billions .....
    1. +6
      20 February 2013 10: 04
      Quote: straiser
      Previously, the numbers sounded in the media in the millions of rubles, now they steal billions .....

      laughing Inflation, her mother ...
    2. +1
      20 February 2013 10: 20
      Quote: straiser
      now steal billions .....

      And how many really? request
  16. +4
    20 February 2013 09: 52
    Articles by this author are always interesting, ironically terrible facts.
    Once in the XIX century. Benckendorf’s office submitted a memorandum to Nicholas I stating that among the 50 governors of the Russian Empire, only 2 did not take bribes. And Nicholas was a tough leader, home registry and ignorance of affairs in his own country and destroyed him.
    Corruption was really cornered under Stalin.
    And now? With such a landslide and terrible theft, a change of elites cannot be avoided. They are all infected there: they sold everything in search of income. Kara-Murza has memories of one forum about globalization: its participants from the Russian side handed Russia over to the furnace of history, which, in their opinion, cannot keep up with world progress. Hence, the tasks of life are changing: why be a patriot of a condemned country, you need to steal more, give children foreign citizenship and education, and dump when there is nothing to suck.
    There is nothing for them to do on the islands of paradise, let them work somewhere, where it is colder, for the good of the country. They do not want to, they need to force.
    1. stroporez
      0
      5 March 2013 14: 18
      and now what is stopping? under Stalin, formally, the country decided that the official would receive the cottage ---- a cottage, a car or something else. now ??? because our president is not Putin, as many people think, our leader today is a golden calf
  17. +4
    20 February 2013 09: 52
    By the way, a few days ago they published "good" news: now we have as many as 131 dollar billionaires in our country.
    1. +4
      20 February 2013 10: 18
      Quote: Renat
      By the way, a few days ago they published "good" news: now we have as many as 131 dollar billionaires in our country.

      I watched the field of miracles on Friday that week! A pensioner played there, worked as a teacher for 30 years! Yakubovich asked how much her pension is, and she says 8000 thousand !!! wassat If these billions were collected, then it would be possible to increase pensions for everyone every five times! am
      1. Komodo
        +1
        20 February 2013 10: 33
        From what modern Russia built. With the money that went into this construction, it was possible to build the same twice as much.
        That is, the roads are twice as many roads, schools, stadiums, etc.
        This is a fact.
        1. stroporez
          +1
          20 February 2013 16: 49
          and who needs it !!!!!!! ????????? Putin ?? Medvedev ?????? Chubais ???
      2. djon3volta
        -2
        20 February 2013 11: 33
        Quote: nycsson
        If these billions were collected, then it would be possible to increase pensions for everyone every five times!

        these billions will be enough for a lump-sum payment, and if divided by all pensioners, they will get 500-800 rubles there. Next month, the pension will be 8000 thousand again, as there will be nobody to shake. wassat
      3. stroporez
        0
        5 March 2013 14: 24
        so you think about it ---- who is more important for this scum --- a retired teacher or Tolyan Chubais, who did more useful for the country ................ that is, we all have a potential price - ---- 8000 rubles. And after that the "guarantor" still blathers on TV about "the social orientation of the state's policy"
  18. +9
    20 February 2013 10: 06
    Under the current regime, the fight against corruption is impossible in principle. How can the Putin regime fight against itself? Different epochs in the life of our country are called by political scientists after the first leaders: Stalin's repressions, Khrushchev's thaw, Brezhnev's stagnation, Gorbachev's perestroika ... I will not presume to judge the fairness and correctness of these formulations. But the era of Putin's rule will have, in my opinion, one and undoubtedly correct definition: an epidemic of corruption in the ministerial and bureaucratic apparatus. Maybe he called it wrong, but the essence is clear. When regular meetings are shown on TV, at which Putin begs the officials to explain about the stolen billions, it is clearly seen that everything was put on everything a long time ago. And including Putin. And how he wanted. First, he allowed this Caudle to reach the "trough", but now he wants to take this "trough" away, and even demands to answer where the money has gone. Completely beguiled. Putin forgot the main rule of a leader - not to hire friends and classmates. Do not allow relatives and friends to be subordinate to each other. This corrupts and gives rise to permissiveness, impunity and mutual responsibility. In order to curb (at least for the first time) corruption in our country, it is necessary to carry out actions of such scale, which Putin does not even hint about in his bleating on TV. All he has the resolve to do is to announce another anti-corruption campaign. But it is only to "proclaim", but not to LEAD. How many have already been announced? Everything remains only in words, to calm down the Russian lumpen, who are wondering: will they put them in jail or not? Yes, they won't jail! Because Putin is from their pack. And until this flock is physically destroyed, so that not a trace of it remains, bureaucratic theft in the country will only grow stronger and multiply.
    1. Komodo
      +1
      20 February 2013 10: 12
      Do you know that in a flock all the people? In Russian people, this is at the genetic level
      , this is "THE ETERNAL DREAM OF THE RUSSIAN MAN OF FREEBIE".
      1. +2
        20 February 2013 12: 42
        Quote: Komodo
        In Russian people, this is at the genetic level
        , this is "THE ETERNAL DREAM OF THE RUSSIAN MAN OF FREEBIE"
        When S. Govorukhin came to America at one time, to visit A. Solzhenitsin, to listen to wise advice, he asked: "... can EBN become the president of Russia?" (I mean, should it, will it be right?) To which he replied: "No, he is too Russian for that." Personally, I understand what he meant (those qualities that were condemned in any Russian village), and immediately you begin to feel like a non-Russian. And now, who are you talking about? Social parasites do not have nationality, as in nature - they breed under certain conditions, in the absence of hygiene and intolerance to this phenomenon. In our country, on the contrary, it was praised and welcomed through the media. Maybe they have already forgotten the TV shows of "forty-mitkovy" - "if you had the opportunity to steal and did not steal, then you did not show enterprise." This is how the people were brought up ...
        1. Komodo
          0
          20 February 2013 12: 52
          , this is "THE ETERNAL DREAM OF THE RUSSIAN MAN OF FREEBIE"

          M. Zadornov, the great Russian aircraft engineer, as he said about us all, from 1/6 of the land,
          analyzing our tales. Be sure to listen somehow.
          1. +2
            20 February 2013 14: 44
            Quote: Komodo
            M. Zadornov, the great Russian aircraft engineer, as he said something about us all .... analyzing our tales. Be sure to listen somehow.
            I had heard enough of this great aircraft engineer at that time, when he served an apartment in the EBN house on anti-Soviet territory. They didn’t pull the tongue - he himself admitted. It is relevant under any government and any government in the opposition - found a niche (you need to feed your family). Such to us is not a decree. But they are everywhere freeloaders, and in the West they love her no less than ours, only with worse opportunities there. The entire English elite was drooling from our possibilities for free according to information received during the Berezovsky-Abramovich litigation. Also, by the way, Zadornov laughed about this.
            1. Komodo
              +1
              20 February 2013 15: 00
              And they are everywhere freeloaders, and in the West they love her no less than ours, only with worse opportunities there

              Arguments? Yes, I’m myself like that))) Anyway, we don’t like 10% of the profit.
              It is imperative that you push YOURSELF into power in the elections so that he is OBLIGATED later.
              The first thought that arises at the beginning of each new business, and what can be done here ...... dit.
              And all 50 million with such thoughts.
              And thoughts they materialize.
              1. Skavron
                0
                20 February 2013 15: 53
                Quote: Komodo
                None of us 10% profit does not suit us.

                Mnu max. 25% and I think it's cool !!!
              2. 0
                20 February 2013 16: 47
                Quote: Komodo
                Arguments? Yes, I’m myself like that))) Anyway, we don’t like 10% of the profit.
                The argument was that one cannot create conditions for the flourishing of social parasitism. When the whole country from the very top broadcasts: "... everything that is not forbidden is allowed" (and nothing is forbidden, because the old legislation is no longer in force, and the new one is not yet in effect); "this year everyone should do something for themselves ..."; "one should not receive money, but earn money" (and money is always received for work, according to its quantity and quality); "Well, nothing can be done about this ... primary capital accumulation is always associated with crime." So we got what they were striving for, the one who did not have time to grab to strive to get what was his, and why not criminally, what is worse, should he honestly work hard like a horse? The conditions are not the same ... Hence the psychology is
          2. +2
            20 February 2013 17: 27
            M. Zadornov, the great Russian aircraft engineer

            why not read here ...
        2. +1
          20 February 2013 23: 42
          As for the media, it is rightly noticed. Especially television. The main characters of the television series are oligarchs, entrepreneurs, their children and wives, bandits, cops, prosecutors, special forces. The main plot is money, showdown, love, betrayal, love affairs and showdown. Many TV series have large sums of money in their plots. And the moral of the series is basically the same - he didn’t steal, he didn’t get rich, it means that he lived his life in vain. Wealth and theft are presented as the main human virtues. And this has been hammered into the Russian population for over 20 years. And now there are no good films about people of blue-collar professions, teachers, doctors, military men (TV-projects like "Spetsnaz", "Group Zeta", "Diary of Doctor Zaitseva" and a similar telemur, please do not count). There are no films about workers' dynasties. I still enjoy watching the movie "Big Family". And this is not nostalgia. It's just that in this film everything is somehow natural and there is absolutely no communist ideology. And if we, the older generation, distinguish what is good and what is bad, then our children, consuming the current "products" of the Russian media, will hardly be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Therefore, they begin to believe that the main thing in life is wealth in any way possible. And the most respected professions are a manager, a banker, a lawyer, a deputy (they think that a deputy is a profession and one can study for it somewhere).
          1. stroporez
            0
            5 March 2013 14: 32
            I agree 100% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! recently I was in Volzhsky ---- a friend (he is engaged in some kind of production there) problem ---- impossible find an experienced turner of the 5th category ........ but all sorts of economists and meneger ----- at least declare a sanitary shooting ..............
    2. SCS
      SCS
      +3
      20 February 2013 10: 36
      - "They won't jail! Because Putin is from their pack."
      ----------------------
      Take your time, Alexander! Give some more time!
      I hope that everything is not at all as you described, although suspicions creep in ...
      1. 0
        20 February 2013 11: 10
        SCS, the answer is adequate. You +
      2. +1
        20 February 2013 11: 19
        Quote: SCS
        Take your time, Alexander! Give some more time!

        How many? How long did it take for the same Stalin to "get comfortable", so to speak? He came to power in 1924, and began to clean up all the trash already in the late 20s, early 30s ... Putin - since 2000, now in 2013. So how much time does he need? Or is it more appropriate to give other units of measurement here?
        1. -1
          20 February 2013 14: 02
          So how much time does he need? Or is it more appropriate to give other units of measurement?
          It depends on what goal you need to achieve
          They needed to prepare the USSR for a total war. They did it at the cost of the lives of many people and won that terrible war.
          The war is already brewing the question of whether we can get around it is a question.
        2. +1
          20 February 2013 22: 03
          Quote: Ribwort
          How many? How long did it take for the same Stalin to "get comfortable", so to speak?

          It took him 15 years! At 37 they all put him in prison, and who was shot! In the West they say this: if there weren’t the 37th, then there wouldn’t be the 45th! hi
        3. stroporez
          0
          5 March 2013 14: 34
          it is more appropriate to remember ---- that the raven will not peck out the crow ..........
    3. vyatom
      +4
      20 February 2013 13: 05
      Quote: Kombitor
      And until this flock is physically destroyed so that there is no trace of it, bureaucratic theft in the country will only grow stronger and multiply.

      To do this, you need to have eggs like billiard balls, and not judo belts. That is the whole explanation.
      1. stroporez
        0
        20 February 2013 16: 59
        100%. and a law degree here is also not an assistant wassat
    4. +1
      20 February 2013 13: 15
      Quote: Kombitor
      Under the current regime, the fight against corruption is impossible in principle.

      Don't tell Alexander. "Ded Hasan" also thought that he was not under jurisdiction, and Yaponchik was before him. And everyone was in the law. I have the impression that at first the blue scheme worked. Moreover, the latest news shows that the difference between those and those is small or practically NO.
      1. walter_rus
        +1
        20 February 2013 17: 18
        The murder of grandfather Khasan and Yaponchik is not a fight against corruption, but rather a struggle for power in the criminal world. "What is secretly done will be secretly tried."
    5. 0
      20 February 2013 15: 56
      Quote: Kombitor
      Because Putin is from their pack.
      If this were so, then the 90s would continue to this day.
      1. 0
        21 February 2013 12: 44
        Quote: Focus
        If this were so, then the 90s would continue to this day.
        I do not see any connection or grounds for opposition. 90s - this is the first stage in the formation of capitalism, zero - the second. It’s like in theory - first we all steal / fight, the big ones eat small ones, grow in fat / wealth / families, then we need to start living calmly and measuredly - we establish rules / laws, prohibit stealing and start thinking about strengthening security from internal and external threats.
  19. +3
    20 February 2013 10: 16
    And this face paints, and the presidential fists seem to be clenching, and their teeth are grinding, and that look - Vladimir Putin will rush at all of these “puzikovye” - “bilalovye” - “vassilievye” - “serdyukov” and demonstrate something like that from judo,

    But this phrase I liked the most! wassat Is it really not clear that he created this system, but got out of control !!! This is where this incomprehensible "meow" comes from instead of tearing and throwing, planting, shooting, hanging, confiscating, etc. am
  20. bap063
    0
    20 February 2013 10: 22
    Yes, the inheritance was not easy for our president, probably right away, as the author writes and cannot be done, it’s not so simple in our reality,
    the most important beginning is, and the president is on the right track, and we people see this and support him in this, even if it’s so, he doesn’t see it easily, but the movement has begun, and this fact is still undeniable.
    from us now the most important thing is understanding and support, but for the rest he will figure it out with all this.
    The people believe and trust him, and this is most important.
    1. 0
      20 February 2013 10: 46
      I agree with you, he won’t have a difficult share, it will be difficult to rake these “Augean stables” and patience among the people is dwindling. Calls are being heard louder to apply capital punishment to corrupt officials with complete confiscation (and I, in general, am for it), but only our legislation is not perfect and crooks of various stripes know this very well, because they accepted it for themselves in the nineties . Such is the oil painting as one movie hero used to say. sad
      1. +3
        20 February 2013 11: 09
        Let the president clearly explain: they say, before that he did not clean these very stables, because He was weak, it was necessary to earn some honest money, to become a billionaire, otherwise the bezrebrennik could not cope with the greedy environment. Now ready
        Quote: Alekseir162
        to rake these "Augean stables"
      2. stroporez
        0
        20 February 2013 17: 06
        shoby to rake them - it’s still necessary to row. and here some kind of imitation
    2. 0
      20 February 2013 23: 58
      And who is this people? Uralvagonzavod workers with the Kholmanskys at the head?
  21. +7
    20 February 2013 10: 22
    Let me give you a quote from Karl Marx's "Capital":
    "Provide capital with 10% profit, and the capital agrees to any use, at 20% it becomes lively, at 50% it is positively ready to break its head, at 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime for which it does not would venture to go, at least under pain of the gallows ". You can argue as much as you like, but this old train is ... 100% right. But there is not even 300%, but much more. Sadly colleagues ... crying
  22. +2
    20 February 2013 10: 34
    Somehow it is spinning in the language of "'expropriation of expropriators", then "expropriation by privatizing and modernizers" .....
  23. mamba
    +3
    20 February 2013 10: 44
    millions? billions? Should I worry about such trifles? We will work out this billion consumers at once ...
    Hence the increase in tariffs for all services. And they wanted to spit on senior citizens, children, and disabled people.
    Sometimes it seems that we are literally on the verge of some grandiose event when corruption will be dealt such a blow that even progressive Singapore will envy our brother. It seems to push a little more, lean a little more and - that's all ...
    The current noise of corruption is somewhat reminiscent of criminal wars with shooting on the streets of Russian cities. Only the methods of warfare are purely bureaucratic: compromising evidence, squeezing out of the grain position, taking away business. In this case, there should be no landings or seizures, so as not to create a precedent. Otherwise, the old Russian wisdom may emerge: "from the bag and from the prison ..."
    Is it possible that behind the very well-to-do Dagestan brothers, who were actively mastering the Russian budget, are there even more large carp? ..
    According to the version that was recently announced by Deputy Fedorov, the GDP "gently pushes" Amerov's henchmen out of power.
    literally every day we see the face of the head of state, which says "completely lost fear!" And this face paints, and the presidential fists seem to clench and their teeth grind
    It seems that he has not enough strength yet to bleed, or has his teeth not yet grown? laughing
    The situation is by no means reminiscent of spiders in a jar and, especially, hungry rats in a barrel. No, it’s rather butting fat j_pami. Almost like a power hockey technique. laughing
  24. 120352
    +3
    20 February 2013 11: 00
    It is time to enter exceptional measures up to an exceptional punishment - Shot. I remember that the director of the Yeliseyevsky deli, a veteran and an invalid of the Second World War, was first shot for corruption (he supplied the Politburo with deficit and members of their families), and then found out that he didn’t take anything for himself: everything went to acquire a deficit for this Politburo itself. That is, there was no evidence against him, but there was a verdict.
    Today the evidence base is available! But there were no executions. This error must be corrected immediately. Shooting and complete confiscation of all "acquired" = stolen property both from the convicted person and all relatives, especially Caucasians.
    And to people of Islamic origin in general no material values ​​and the possibility of their acquisition does not provide: they will steal! Who does not believe, read the Koran. Who is too lazy to read the Koran, see the facts! They have it so accepted. If we, Christians, have the main virtues TRUE, GOOD, BEAUTY, then in Islam everything is simpler: only self-interest!
    We do not want to lose Russia, it is necessary to return executions for state officials FOR CHANGE (economic + political) to the Motherland. Otherwise, we will remain not only without SOCHI-2014, but this is almost a fact, but also without RUSSIA.
  25. +5
    20 February 2013 11: 06
    The announced overstatement of expenses on the construction of Olympic facilities (only on the site of Ahmed Bilalov) is almost 6,2 billion rubles.
    - what a modest Dagestan ... straight forward-drummer ...
    What makes us steal like this, at every opportunity? It is amazing how easily we lose our human appearance. The systemic crisis of our society, in the form of rampant theft, is in the face! We may still be a little ashamed .., but for our children this is the norm.
  26. +2
    20 February 2013 11: 26
    There is no master of the Russian land, only gautleiders and temporary managers
  27. djon3volta
    0
    20 February 2013 11: 41
    I remember about 15 years ago I read an article in a newspaper, it was said about foreign billionaires, the rich ones like Bill Getts were there, and then our questions were asked, to different artists, directors, the question was what would you do if you had 50-60 billion dollars? Tabakov answered - this is the same as owning the planet Mars, and not knowing what to do with it wassat
  28. sergeybulkin
    0
    20 February 2013 11: 47
    It seems that embezzlement-bribery in Russia is the issue is primarily education. We are struggling with theft with variable success all the time, but to no avail. They always stole from us. And under Peter the Great, even though he chopped his heads for it, and under Stalin he even put him against the wall for this. To steal it is necessary not to wean. We must teach that it is bad to steal, since childhood - infancy, how naive it does not look, then it will be good.
    1. Passing
      +1
      20 February 2013 13: 09
      Quote: sergeybulkin
      and under Stalin

      Sorry, utter nonsense, under Stalin they did not steal, they did not steal systematically, because he did not allow anyone to do this, starting from the top.
      And under Peter the Great they stole, yes, because it was precisely what he allowed to steal. The top. Well, the lower classes were just taking an example.
      1. walter_rus
        0
        20 February 2013 17: 27
        Under Stalin, the stolen was especially nowhere to spend, so corruption simply did not make sense. Remember the underground millionaire Koreiko, who could not use his money. And then wealth was not quoted, but power and position in the system.
  29. AK-47
    +1
    20 February 2013 11: 50
    Give a kickback to start fighting kickbacks ...

    Is corruption invincible?
    1. +1
      20 February 2013 13: 24
      An honest official is not the one who takes bribes. But the one who takes and fulfills his promises ... They survived.
      A totalitarian state will not allow - Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini (Cosa Nostra and therefore helped the Yankees in landing on Sicily) in their countries destroyed organized crime.
  30. +4
    20 February 2013 11: 56
    IT WILL HELP ONLY MASS SURVIVAL AT STADIOS AND AREAS ACCORDING TO THE TYPE OF CHINESE OPTION - GATHER HUNDRED PASCUDES AND SHOOT, SHOOT, SHOOT, OTHER SHOULD BE PUT OUT AGAINST OUTSIDE ...
    1. +3
      20 February 2013 12: 59
      I fully support!
  31. satellite
    +1
    20 February 2013 12: 09
    And that everyone is blaming China, yes !!! corruption has not yet been won there, but LOOK AT THEIR ECONOMY is the result of reforms, including these shootings. And at the top, all the coders are stealing (I’m even sure that anyone knows the GDP what and where) this is the norm of life but not the worst, they are not engaged in their direct duties, the business is absorbing them, and the people are more and more impoverished, the end to all this will be sad.

    sergeybulkin, the most important problem is not education, but in our country there is no inevitability of punishment for corruption and they do not fight corruption and create the appearance of a struggle, I wonder why the GDP does not ask Dima Medvedev what kind of fool Akhmed Bilalov you put forward this post turned out to be such a corruptionist and are you interested in this !!!
  32. +2
    20 February 2013 12: 39
    <<< “Serdyukov worked very effectively as a minister,” Medvedev said. >>>
    Yes, not very, but SOUCHEN Serdyukov worked effectively: embezzlement in his department is already calculated in BILLIONS of rubles. If such an assessment of the activities of his subordinate is given by the SECOND person in the state, that is, in fact, PROTECTS him, then it is not surprising why all these investigations of embezzlement of state funds are dragging on, and it is not at all a fact that their end result will be the LANDS promised by Putin! In a civilized Western democratic society, which is so fond of referring to as an object for imitation, our connoisseurs of Western values, even not after such words and events, the Prime Minister would have been watering flowers at home for a long time, but we have water like a duck's back: attention and respect. So, maybe it’s time to move on to Western standards of democracy in this matter, and if it DOES NOT REACH someone to “help” him to make the only correct decision in this situation. Then, you see, other problems will begin to be solved, and the processes will accelerate!
    1. stroporez
      +1
      20 February 2013 17: 21
      Duc and let Dima with Vova tell the society of the skoko and where they themselves lie))))))) and then the opposition voiced the sho at Vova 147 lards "over the hill" lies, but he clearly did not deny anything. to conclude ---- mot and not 147 but clearly not twenty ruble ...
  33. kudma
    0
    20 February 2013 12: 43
    I work next to the traffic police regiment. Which year, some of the cops put their Pathfinder near the work so that it does not glow. With all this, he is not even registered
    1. walter_rus
      0
      20 February 2013 17: 31
      In Russia there is a proverb: "His hand is the ruler." Why register if he himself controls.
  34. +6
    20 February 2013 13: 14
    I read all the comments. Everything is correct. But only there will be no sense from our statements and proposals. Everyone at the top knows everything. The latest "blizzard" over thieves is one of the ways to "powder" the brains of the Russian population. Believe me, everything will end in a mess. Such money is not stolen without a Moscow "roof". Any boss selects an employee according to his own criteria, and if all these thieves fell into place and steal for a long time without fear of anything, then what can we talk about? They stole budget money, and how many oligarchs thieves have taken and continue to take out to offshore? What? Couldn't you cover it all up? It is impossible, because all who can cover - all are in the share. And nothing else can explain the total theft and pulling away of Russia at all levels of the Russian government. The notorious Khodorkovsky was imprisoned for many years of tax evasion, for many billions, and I was instantly closed all bank accounts for just one mistake of TWO RUBLES !!! And this mistake was made by some "chicken" from the tax department. And at least someone would apologize. And Khodorkovsky's tax office covered him for many years and no one of the tax officials was jailed. You can't beat a butt with a whip and no one reads our comments.
  35. +5
    20 February 2013 13: 27
    At this particular moment, the fight against corruption resembles a well-known saying: Do you want to hide something, put it in the most prominent place.
    When they realized at the top that it was impossible to close their eyes and pretend that nothing was happening, they decided to act as the saying goes. And the phantasmagoria began. The people of course perked up, well, finally, they waited. Yes, and there was something to rise from, the removal of Serdyukov and the initiation of investigative measures in the case of the Ministry of Defense - this is not a pound of raisins for you. The events that followed - the corruption scandal in the Higher Attestation Commission - 1,5 billion rubles, embezzlement in Rosagroleasing - 39 billion rubles, theft in Oboronservice - more than 10 billion rubles, corruption in the Research Institute of Oncology - 29 million rubles, theft in the field Housing and communal services of the Murmansk region - 1,5 billion rubles, embezzlement in the housing and communal services of St. Petersburg - 3 billion rubles, all this of course "shakes" the layman and gives the complete illusion that the BODIES are not asleep. Well, well, what do we really see? Nothing, things are still there. What they say, the media are full of big headlines, talk shows and more. The deputies are discussing the law on accounts abroad. Why not fight?
    We are forming an opinion that the FIGHT is on, that it’s still a bit and we will defeat corruption and put all the thieves behind and call to account. Something I hardly believe in it. And the farther, the less faith.
    I have already written that Putin apparently has some kind of long-term plan known to him alone, which is not in vain that they "put flags" around corrupt officials. What would then slam the trap, God forbid, if so.
    Only now they steal and steal. The same Sochi or Serdyukov to take an example, goes to the investigation, accompanied by Vasilyeva, and makes it clear with all kinds - yes "I turned you on x .... all." Why call him in the UK at all, if he is silent like a fish on ice. I'm not talking about putting him in jail, it looks like a utopia, but the stolen money can be returned? Just take and take away everything, and from him and his relatives, and accounts abroad, you can trace and freeze.
    And yet, against the background of such a "struggle", our officials decided to raise the "Economic image" of the country with the help of Goldman Sachs Bank!?!?! Despite the fact that this very bank is mired in corruption scandals and lawsuits. And this is against the background of this very struggle.
    A natural question arises - is there really this "struggle"?
  36. +5
    20 February 2013 13: 37
    There is such a good Russian TV series ... "The Sword" is called.

    So in this series the guys are former soldiers, special forces, GRU officers and just policemen who are tired of lawlessness and bring down all this unreasonableness. that's the way it is, otherwise why not steal ??? cn * stayed 10 billion rubles .. I wrote a statement of my own free will, dumped the whole bunch in offshore, like an ordinary physical person and live happily at gorgeous interest! and so they found such a freak, caught on the hot, chopped off fucking hands, and then another scum will think about how to steal. So I point blank do not understand why not to do this ??? Drive the crap out of here? type of humanity is not? that we had in mind their dog’s opinion, there’s already no strength to endure and hear all this every day !!!! Blacks also steal ... terrorists x * evy!

    ps men, I apologize for the emotions, but there are simply not enough other words!
    1. +1
      20 February 2013 15: 11
      Quote: silver_roman
      ... and just policemen who are tired of lawlessness and bring down all this unread ...
      There was such a fact in the history of the 90s. A general, a veteran of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in a TV program, recalled a period when "many investigators had a left barrel," and when everything is obvious, but normally the evidence base cannot be collected .... and - the barrel into the Neva / Moscow River. But then they were motivated by a certain ideology - "the last soldiers of the Empire" so to speak ...
      Quote: silver_roman
      ... here I point blank do not understand why not to do this ???

      A strange misunderstanding ... The state is an instrument for protecting the interests of the ruling class .... Power structures are an instrument of the state ...
      Who will beat himself?
      1. 0
        20 February 2013 16: 25
        A strange misunderstanding ... The state is an instrument for protecting the interests of the ruling class .... Power structures are an instrument of the state ...
        Who will beat himself?


        Well, this is quite an interesting interpretation of the concept of "state".
        The state should be the guarantor of the prosperity of society and everything related to the well-being of this society. And this is the armed forces, and the economy, and the monetary system, and minerals, water, agricultural and other resources.
        Apparently our leadership proceeds from your interpretation of the concept of "state". which is extremely sad !!!

        And at the expense of the 90s, I agree with you. it's all about ideology and the moral component. then there was still a dream in the hearts of people, there was a memory of the power of the state, unshakable patriotism, so to speak, but now all this is left in the past crying
        1. 0
          20 February 2013 17: 16
          Quote: silver_roman
          Apparently our leadership proceeds from your interpretation of the concept of "state". which is extremely sad !!!
          Yes, this is not my interpretation, it is from modern textbooks on political science and administrative law ... I just replaced the term "social group" with a more familiar one - "class"
          And one more thing:
          "There is no question that, intentionally or unintentionally, would be so confused as the question of the state ..." V. I. Lenin
  37. Moritz
    0
    20 February 2013 13: 38
    You can go on and on, but already here comes the amount of almost 63,5 billion rubles. And if we take into account that the average iceberg has another 85-90 percent hidden under water, then such a size of theft, kickbacks and other manifestations of corruption emerges that a very bad idea comes to mind.

    but the king doesn’t know belay
    1. lucidlook
      0
      20 February 2013 21: 15
      "Report: the volume of Russia's shadow economy is 46% of GDP, because of this the country has lost $ 211,5 billion"
      63,8% of this illegal outflow - approximately $ 135 billion - leaked from Russia due to unaccounted transfers, according to GFI data.
      http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2013/02/13/n_2752533.shtml

      Quote: moritz
      but the king doesn’t know

      Yes, yes, we have already passed, "Comrade Stalin they do not know". No.
  38. +4
    20 February 2013 13: 44
    Somehow in the 90s Timur Shaov wrote a song "On the crisis of ancient Greek statehood" There are such lines:

    "If Zeus pinches someone.
    Ile will be removed from work, strict.
    Know, this is pretentious.
    Full of lightning tossing.
    Will not leave without work.
    We are ours, we are brothers Gods.
    We are immortal by status.
    Do not burn the pots "

    Although it was written during the time of Yeltsin, it is more relevant than ever.
  39. +3
    20 February 2013 14: 44
    Why does a country need a 17th year?
    Well ... at first, if only for the first time that officials and gendarmes hung on poles (there was a reason), and in other cases, because the current government itself will not go away just like that, since ..... look at the first point. And to do it will not do anything, for they are not a bit sinless. Those others who are fighting for power are incapable for one reason, fear for hatred, therefore they are not capable of more than words and publications. And these publications are seen by no more than one percent of the population. There are no those who are ready for anything for the sake of the country and people. And for the people to follow someone, they need to be enlightened, and not Moscow and Peter, but all and everywhere. In general, this corruption is all, as a consequence of the crisis of power and the crisis of leadership.
    "There are few real violent, so there are no leaders" V. Vysotsky.
    1. -1
      20 February 2013 14: 59
      you still taught history poorly
      And I want to shoot those who wish to arrange land for the factory workers to the peasants. Remind you how much the country lost during the Civil War and War Communism.
      1. walter_rus
        0
        20 February 2013 17: 34
        Are you closer to the slogan: land for officials, factory oligarchs?
  40. +2
    20 February 2013 15: 06
    I’ll manage without reminders.
    I’ve studied enough history to form an opinion about the current government.
    Twice they don’t go into the same river, it is about your land to the workers and factories to the peasants.
    I brought the 17th as where I should learn.
    And now the question: What in your understanding is the "period of the Civil War and War Communism."
    1. 0
      20 February 2013 15: 23
      from the beginning of the 17th year to the beginning of the 30s
      I brought the 17th as where I should learn.
      profits of Western campaigns on plundering our economy and cultural heritage?
  41. Komodo
    +2
    20 February 2013 15: 16
    Su -35 sold to China ...
    With ... and .. Well, how do you think how many chinas for this deal were promised to our organizers.?
    The fight against corruption.
    1. 0
      20 February 2013 15: 34
      And you probably give a reference to the contract?
      1. Komodo
        0
        20 February 2013 15: 39
        http://warfiles.ru/show-24545-podpisano-mezhpravitelstvennoe-rossiysko-kitayskoe
        -soglashenie-po-postavke-v-kitay-mnogofunkcionalnogo-istrebitelya-su-35.html
  42. figvamforever
    -1
    20 February 2013 15: 16
    Posted by
    "Akhmed Gadzhievich Bilalov, who, by the way, does not agree with the criticism directed at him, even decided to write a statement of his own free will. Active defenders of Mr. Bilalov say: this is a real Caucasian man! He even wrote" on his own " so as not to frame President Putin, because according to the IOC rules, the authorities have no right to interfere in the affairs of the national Olympic committees. "

    I do not understand. The authorities didn’t have enough conscience to fire him at least by mistrust? Or is the authority afraid of Akhmet?
    Such a government, in my opinion, at least deserves contempt.
    1. 0
      20 February 2013 15: 59
      You carefully read-
      Quote from figvamforever
      according to the rules of the IOC, the authorities do not have the right to intervene
      1. figvamforever
        0
        20 February 2013 18: 45
        Thank you, you're right.
  43. +4
    20 February 2013 15: 18
    Putin will never cope with corruption until he cope with himself.
  44. +3
    20 February 2013 15: 25
    Do not want to shoot. Sit in a vat with shit and carry around the country show, let the people spit in the bribe taker.
  45. +2
    20 February 2013 15: 48
    Quote: leon-iv
    from the beginning of the 17th year to the beginning of the 30th, the 17th brought something like where to learn. profits of Western campaigns on plundering our economy and cultural heritage?

    I don’t understand what are you driving at? You have some kind of mess, it’s impossible to answer something specific. More specifically, you can. Who, how, where, why, why?
    1. -1
      20 February 2013 16: 04
      I mean that in 1917, the country was quickly and efficiently gutted economically and killed 20 million people.

      Romantics conceive revolutions, fanatics carry out, and scum use their results O.F. Bismarck
  46. +1
    20 February 2013 16: 18
    Quote: leon-iv
    I mean that in 1917, the country was quickly and efficiently gutted economically and killed 20 million people.

    Hell, you won’t answer right away.
    Who, in what way? And is the 1917th entirely to blame? What then did the king once brought the country to this? Was he fluffy, and the entire Romanov clan for 300 years?
    I understand you, I myself do not have the goal of educating someone, and I won’t give my head to anyone, but if you have free time, put up a list of literature on this topic and study in addition to what I studied.
    Thanks in advance.
    1. 0
      20 February 2013 16: 32
      Who, in what way?
      English and Amer + German partially elites
      By introducing us into an absolutely unnecessary war by a change of power as a consequence of our agents of influence. For example, Parvus tells you what.
      Was he fluffy, and the entire Romanov clan for 300 years?
      He was a rag king. And the Romanovs had worthy fit kings. Like for example the father of this Alexander 3.
  47. +1
    20 February 2013 16: 57
    - And on what means do you live?
    - Oh very small
    - Or rather?
    - Yes, everything is simple, I buy a gas tank for a thousand rubles and sell it for a million. Here on these 2% I live
  48. serikberik
    0
    20 February 2013 17: 06
    The fight against corruption among the Russian authorities is like bees against honey. All are directly or indirectly tied with mutual responsibility. Therefore, planting only trifle pot-bellied. It’s like Gogol’s, the non-commissioned widow carved herself.
  49. +3
    20 February 2013 17: 26
    I watched on TV an indicative flogging by Mr. President in Sochi. Estimated 1, 2 billion rubles, rose to 8. I don’t see, I don’t hear who they attracted, etc. I have a job at work. who are considered EFFECTIVE MANAGERS are ready to eat me for a ruble (window dressing, bending and are simply afraid). A shame. The fish rots from the head
    1. 0
      21 February 2013 00: 22
      At that "show flogging" in Sochi, Putin looked the funniest and most ridiculous. I would recommend that he resign after that meeting. Act like a man. But the fact of the matter is that he cannot do that. Because for this you need to have "eggs, like billiard balls, and not a judo belt" (taken in one of the comments).
      On TV they showed another "showdown" about the stolen billion in RusHydro. Putin was just ridiculous.
  50. figvamforever
    -1
    20 February 2013 17: 53
    Quote: bandabas
    I watched on TV an indicative flogging by Mr. President in Sochi. Estimated 1, 2 billion rubles, rose to 8. I don’t see, I don’t hear who they attracted, etc.

    And you will not see. A recent example. Luzhkov stole in Moscow and now lives quietly. Why should Sochi be different? Putin created a hydra devouring Russia. He either does not know how to deal with her, or part of herself. This is not easier for the people.
  51. +1
    20 February 2013 17: 54
    Look at the watch, this guy from Ros-Hydro!! I suppose he sent his wife specially to buy electronic ones for such cases)))) poor thing! Probably ate making ends meet!!ZHIDYARA wassat
    1. +1
      20 February 2013 18: 11
      Quote: spirit
      Look at your watch, this guy from Ros-Hydro!!

      Yeah, I laughed at the clock too. There was a case, one day Chubais and Kiriyenko went somewhere to lay the first stone, so to speak, well, in general, Chubais takes off the watch from his hand and throws it into the concrete, Kiriyenko looked, decided not to lose face in the dirt, and took it off there too. In the evening they sit at a banquet, Kiriyenko watches Chubais’s watch on the spot. How so? You threw them into concrete. And he says to him, “Why am I a fool to throw away a watch for five hundred grand, I bought a fake one at the airport for two hundred rubles.” Kiriyenko almost got sick, didn’t talk to Chubais all evening laughing laughing laughing
  52. figvamforever
    -1
    20 February 2013 18: 11
    “According to the Chairman of the Russian Central Bank Sergei Ignatiev, over the past year, 2,5% of GDP - $49 billion - was taken out of the country through “dubious” schemes. These are “gray” imports, bribes and kickbacks to officials, which are transferred to accounts in foreign banks, kickbacks to purchasing managers, tax evasion schemes, etc.

    According to Ignatiev, due to this type of operation, the domestic budget lost about 450 billion rubles, and taking into account the processing and cashing out of money through purely Russian shell companies - more than 600 billion rubles. Which, according to the head of the Central Bank, is comparable to annual expenditures from the federal budget on education or healthcare. Moreover, according to Sergei Ignatiev, a certain, well-organized group of people is engaged in “diversion” of money from the country."


    http://www.kp.md/daily/26035/2951093/

    I think this well-organized group of people is based somewhere in the Kremlin area.
  53. Mrgangster
    +2
    20 February 2013 18: 36
    shock them all and there will be so much money there that Russia will overtake the Chinese in terms of GDP (of course not for long)
  54. +3
    20 February 2013 18: 48
    And again the question of corruption and powerlessness of power. And again nepotism and nepotism. Moreover, the impotence of power is not to imprison, but to make people afraid of stealing. They know that the inevitability of punishment is for a little thing like a teacher who took 5 rubles for a test. And they are untouchables, and England is also a last resort.
  55. penyvr
    0
    20 February 2013 19: 12
    yeah, something needs to be done about this wickedness, a strong person is urgently needed for the post, it’s a pity Stalin can’t be resurrected..
  56. Alikovo
    0
    20 February 2013 19: 21
    Why are corrupt officials imprisoned and not destroyed?
    1. +1
      21 February 2013 00: 26
      Alikovo :"Why are corrupt officials imprisoned and not destroyed."
      And who was imprisoned? Name the entire list, please.
  57. +3
    20 February 2013 19: 32
    GDP will not break anything, this requires desire and will! And by definition he has neither one nor the other............
    1. lucidlook
      +1
      20 February 2013 21: 08
      Well, so, at the top, everyone is their own... the vertical is built and cemented. But, as everyone knows, he doesn’t give up his own.
  58. tommy1984
    +1
    20 February 2013 20: 05
    We need 20 more people like Navalny. and preferably in the regions too. so that they would rush at the thieves like dogs and tear them to shreds with the help of the prosecutor's office and the courts. tenfold fines and good prison sentences must necessarily end at a minimum ten-year total ban on subsequent travel abroad (otherwise they don’t let out debtors from ordinary people for trifles, and the thieving bureaucrats, having paid off part of the stolen money in the form of fines, then go to their villas in France).
  59. bilgesez
    0
    20 February 2013 21: 00
    We are the People of the Russian Federation - as the bearer of the highest power in the country. We demand that the guarantor of the Constitution and the highest official of the executive branch stop bureaucratic lawlessness, embezzlement and bribery. The deadline is two months. ---- Something like that.
  60. lucidlook
    0
    20 February 2013 21: 05
    You can add to the list the scandal with the return of paid VAT through the Federal Tax Service No. 25 and No. 28 for 5 billion rubles. Only this happened back in 2008. And what? Did any of them "rattle"? Not at all! Were promoted! And they don’t live poorly... not at all poorly. So somehow I can’t believe that if there are so many years they stole such amounts, and washed their hands all this time, then in 2013 suddenly everything will change. Why on earth?

  61. 0
    20 February 2013 21: 39
    At the end of the century, he took and overthrew,
    An evil person is a good person.
    From a grenade launcher, slap him, the goat!
    It is clear that good is stronger than evil...
    Someday - with our prayers...... recourse
  62. +2
    20 February 2013 23: 07
    I'm amazed at the people. Their country was stolen from them. Together with plants and factories, oil and gas, rivers, lakes and even seas. The thieves are known by name. And they are shocked that a Dagestani passing by stole several carrots from the garden. I understand that it is beneficial for real thieves to chase after Panikovsky, who stole the chicken, and not touch them. But if a person considers himself intelligent, he must sift through the cockroaches in his head. And the owners of RusHydro, did they earn enough to buy RusHydro or did they steal it along with Chubais? And the owner of Severstal Mordashov, did he earn money to buy Severstal? Being a shop floor economist? Or Prokhorov? Do you think it’s possible to make money for Norilsk Nickel through the MZhK line? Instead of presenting accounts to the real thieves, you find pleasure in baiting every petty crook who dances to the tune of all those whose names I have named and those who have not been named. Just like children. The logic is childish. Stealing a million is a thief. And he stole all the country's nickel - an honest man.
    1. stroporez
      0
      25 February 2013 22: 32
      Panikovsky stole the goose))))) and this, as it seems in Odessa, is two big differences wassat
  63. stroporez
    0
    25 February 2013 11: 45
    I think that all these “perestroikas” “modernizations” need to start from the nursery. When the generation gets stronger and comes into force, the generation for whom stealing will be a “bummer” will then change.
    1. lucidlook
      0
      25 February 2013 15: 42
      And who will teach them, children? Who will tell them about high moral values ​​and human dignity?
      1. stroporez
        0
        25 February 2013 20: 20
        Well, I’m now working in a children’s social center --- what do you think --- what am I doing??))))))

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