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Enver Kisriev: “There is no religious extremism in Dagestan”

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Enver Kisriev: “There is no religious extremism in Dagestan”

Enver Fridovich, I would like to start a conversation about Dagestan with recent events. As you know, the 14 February February checkpoint at the entrance to Khasavyurt was undermined by a suicide bomber. Five people died, another five were injured. Do you think we should link this incident and others, if they follow in the near future, with the resignation of the powers of the President of Dagestan, Magomedsalam Magomedwa, and the appointment of Ramazan Abdulatipov as acting head of the republic?


Well, yes, you can try to trace such a connection, to imagine that these were some kind of messages. But there is nothing special happened. The leadership in Dagestan is there, the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs has not changed ... I think I should refrain, at least for now, from trying to trace such a connection between these events. The explosion, as far as I can tell, was accidental, another was being prepared. Therefore, it is too early to talk about whether there is a direct connection.

How do you even see the situation with the change of Magomedov to Abdulatipov?

I tried to analyze the essence of this change of figures, but, I confess, I did not understand what it means. I am inclined to suspect that behind this shift there is more likely some kind of conflict between oligarchic forces that have interests in the region. Some one force pushed another, and Magomedov replaced Abdulatipov. Some kind of struggle was, apparently, and someone in her prevailed. I tell you frankly, I do not understand the essence of this. Because there were no events out of the ordinary in Dagestan, the number of terrorist attacks in 2012 was about 15% less than in 2011. I also did not find any claims of the federal center, which allegedly were in the public sphere. Positive dynamics in the economy and other areas in the country was observed. Successes, however, also special were not. I do not know why and why this was done.

Ramazan Gadzhimuradovich - a public politician. This is a person who does not solve and never solved any administrative problems, he is far from the intricacies of the internal problems of the republic. Therefore, its appearance rather exacerbates the situation. At the same time, Magomedsalam Magomedovich was given a high post after his resignation, that is, it seemed like they apologized to him. This once again underlines that there were no public failures behind it. The only thing that can be said about this resignation and subsequent appointment is that it looked very, very strange.

But you can guess something?

Such a change of power is a very bad symptom for Russian politics in general. And unexpected. Look here. Vladimir Putin comes to power in Russia. The politician is known, predictable and very strong. And suddenly events happen that are completely different from how everything happened under Putin for many years. The way they changed power in Dagestan is more likely a style similar to Medvedev, with his unexpected decisions. For example, Medvedev signed an agreement on cooperation between Dagestan and Azerbaijan, which is completely disadvantageous for Russia. Then it was also not clear to me why we are doing this, simultaneously exacerbating the situation in the south of Dagestan. Once again, what really stands behind the change of the head of Dagestan - I do not know.

And what will the stability and duration of Abdulatipov’s new post depend on today? How much will it depend on domestic policy?

All new historysince the end of 80, the beginning of 90, Dagestan has existed relatively stable for one reason only. There began to emerge the so-called ethno-parties, what we call clans today. In reality, these are not exactly clans. Family ties play a big role there, but there is also a national factor, and much more. As a result, such groups have arisen there, each of which is doing its best to concentrate power and resources to the best of its ability. These groups interact with each other through conflicts and all sorts of compromises and agreements. But since there are many such groupings, and not one of them could even dream of absolute power over the region, the whole system worked as the most natural system of checks and balances. As a suspension bridge, the system of dynamic balance of power.

Posts in power were occupied by representatives of different nationalities. This system arose back in the USSR, then it was observed during the formation of the parliament. And all this was expressed in the political space legally. It was politically advantageous, which shows the period of the first and second Chechen campaigns - Dagestan was not involved in the war.

This system was almost destroyed in the 2006 year, when Mukhu Aliyev was actually appointed president. Then in the republic they tried to build such a pyramidal structure of power, when one person is at the top and everything else is built under it. But Muhu Aliyev was a man not corroded and ethno-political parties far from internal political battles. He was a technocrat, so to speak. And the system of ethno-parties has been preserved, having adapted a little and having restructured it remained. And, as a result, a balance has been maintained, in which neither a radical improvement nor a radical deterioration of the situation is possible.

In 2010, Aliyev was replaced by a representative of one of the most influential ethno-parties, hereditary, if I may say so, the head of the republic, Magomedsalam Magomedov. And the course of "unawareness" of the situation only strengthened.

And now, when Ramazan Abdulatipov came, the question is precisely how he will begin his policy. All his political rhetoric, prior to his appointment, was that all these clans are all outrageous and corruption, and all this must be eliminated. To rule, in his opinion, should be people competent, young, not corrupt, technocratic. If he starts to implement his statements, to implement his ideal, so to speak, there will be a catastrophe. I guarantee you.

If he, if he succumbed to the influence of external forces, following other factors, preserves the political tradition of Dagestan, then there will be no explosion-collapse. Just everything will remain as before, as it was until now.

And which way today seems more likely?

Well, if we take a look, we will see that Abdulatipov was already trying to do something, and something didn’t work right on the move. He is trying to form a team now. He has already taken some of them, but with whom he failed. He was unable to dismiss the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Dagestan (from 11 August 2010, this position is occupied by Abdurashid Magomedov - “Polit.ru”). There were many rumors that he also wanted to remove the head of Dagvino (the head of the Committee on Viticulture and Alcohol Market Regulation of the Republic of Dagestan, Dagvino Mukhtar Halalmagomedov - Polit.ru). It was rumored that he even removed him from his post, but then returned. Also, several other officials "were not given" to Abdulatipov, I don’t want to mention their names here. And now it seems that the provisional head of the republic has nevertheless complied with the established order and will continue to continue the tradition of treaties and compromises.

This is evidenced by the fact that the new part of the government of the republic, which Ramazan Abdulatipov has already formed, is not younger than it was. The new government is the good old functionaries, either removed from office before the arrival of the new head, or raised with his arrival. These are the same people. New old team. Of the new appointments, only the new permanent representative of the republic in Moscow (Alexander Yermoshkin, before the appointment was the head of the Organizing Committee of the Central Council of United Russia political party supporters - Polit.ru), which has nothing to do with Dagestan. But it was in Moscow, in the region, that Abdulatipov did not allow himself such appointments.

All this signals that nothing drastically will change in Dagestan. It will not be worse, but not better.

But how then to do better?

I have said many times and I repeat once again that if you want serious changes in Dagestan, then these changes are necessary first in Russia. In another Russia there may be another Dagestan.

But apart from politics, what could be done today for people who did not come sideways into the elites of Dagestan, and because of which the standard of living is, to put it mildly, low? Is there a way today, in other words, to make the life of ordinary people in Dagestan better?

I'll tell you what can be done. You can improve life, if in the North Caucasus, not only in Dagestan, to carry out a democratic land reform. That is, to give land to people as well as to give it to people in ancient Greece on the reform of Lycurgus and Solon. Simply put, as was the privatization of housing in Russia. If we give land in the North Caucasus to those who really work on it, we would have the most prosperous regions of the country there as soon as possible.

But after all, such a reform would have stirred up Caucasian society in a way that even direct democratic elections of the heads of regions could not have stirred it up?

Yes, there would immediately begin a new redistribution of property, which would require careful monitoring. Large landowners would immediately appear there, but even the latter could at least pay people for the land that they would buy from them. But people would become owners, they themselves would decide whether they need the land they own or need to sell it.

Now we have a situation in the Caucasus when the land is simply being plundered by these “new Russians” or whatever you want to call them. They are doing what they want on the actually stolen land with the permission of the authorities, and there is no owner who would say - "I also have the right to do business here." The same situation throughout Russia, but in other regions of the world a lot, and it can not stir up society. And in the North Caucasus there is little land, it’s there - the pride and soul of the nations.

The land there is extremely valuable. But it was actually socialized under the Soviet regime, and after the collapse of the USSR this issue was not settled and now it is, I repeat, being stolen. Just because no one can say: "This land is mine."

People there, of course, are still fighting for their land, creating committees, national associations, and so on. But for some reason we blame them for religious extremism. This is a “beautiful” idea, I will tell you. Everybody believes in it. But this is not in the Caucasus. There is no religious extremism in Dagestan. All this is an absolute lie! It is very beneficial for someone to spread these rumors. But the problem is simpler there, it is connected with the fact that people are simply not allowed to live. To live in their own land. Engage your farm. This is a land problem. And the Caucasus itself cannot solve this problem. They do not have their own Lycurgus or Solon. And if it appears, it will simply be shot. As the rector of the Kabardino-Balkarian University was shot (Boris Zherukov, the rector of KBPAU, was shot dead in his office in Nalchik on December 25 - “Polit.ru”). This rector was just one of those who seriously and publicly discussed the issues of the Caucasian land.

You know, this question is so patient that I don’t even want to engage in political science because of him. Because it is not political science already, but a continuous criminal chronicle.

But maybe there is a hope that such reforms will be somehow initiated, for example, in the same Dagestan by the same Abdulatipov?

I do not think it's worth hoping for. Ramazan Gadzhimuradovich will not solve this problem. He is not strong enough for this, I think. Moreover, he gives alarming signals, stating that the land in Dagestan has no nationality. These statements are already alarming inside the republic and in me, because they say, “we will not take into account the interests of the people who live on this earth.”

So maybe the selective abolition of gubernatorial elections, which will soon be adopted in the State Duma, allegedly because of the explosiveness of some multinational republics - is not the right decision? Perhaps, it would be more correct to conduct direct elections of the heads of the regions in the Caucasus?

Elections in a number of republics of the North Caucasus and, in particular, in Dagestan, are an unequivocal aggravation of domestic political problems. After all, there are even Kumyks and Avars inside themselves competing, not only national groups. But now the process of the ethno-party movement has gone so deep that, who knows, maybe they could solve this issue peacefully among themselves. In this case, I have no doubt that the most worthy one would be chosen.

Personally, I think that the draft law arose for other reasons, and the elections will eventually be canceled not only in the territories of the North Caucasus. I think the federal government wants to have a lever of regulation in case of a sharp aggravation of political life. I do not think that this is a concern for Dagestan. I think this is a fear of the people who independently choose their representatives. After all, such a chosen one can always come to the Kremlin and say - "I can not, because you want, I made a promise to my people." Moscow is much more satisfied with the functionary, who stands at attention and receives instructions. For other options, our government is not ready yet.
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  1. queen
    queen 19 February 2013 12: 13
    +1
    Of course he isn’t there ... he is flourishing here in Moscow or where there are more than 15 of them, because I have to be tolerant. And if you make a remark or beat your face, I’m already an extremist. Go to your mountains and villages and get there and education and registration and trade there .... For good health (I advise)
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 19 February 2013 12: 35
      +4
      I watched a program about Dagestan, there is a confrontation between various clans for power, money, influence (there the elite builds such (!) palaces for themselves on the budgetary money of Russia), and they pass it off as the machinations of Wahhabis, of which there are only a few .... ............ we need a new architecture of power, business, education, with the same earthen plots to solve the problem ........ then there will be peace and the republic will cease to live on subsidies ..... ..
      About Makhachkala ... The city is divided into the so-called feudal micro-states, which are distributed between the security forces and officials. Each official’s house is a separate state, with its own electrical substation, water tank, security, barriers, servants, and even with individual personal lampposts. Here, in almost all streets, there are video cameras, which seems to have a positive effect on reducing crime, but the killings take place right under them, even in larger numbers than before they were installed. Apparently, they are needed for other purposes.
      There is almost no free space in the city. Everything is built up, every meter. Basically, shopping centers are being built, which are already more than the residents of the city, and which no one goes to, but the construction continues stubbornly. Makhachkala is a city of contrasts, in which there is very little common sense and a lot of unhealthy ambitions. If the official seized upon the post, the first thing he does is rebuild the palace, preferably the largest on the street. And the view of our streets is very strange, the little shacks of the 1950s, stand through one with the palaces of the officials - “servants of the people”. The difference between rich and poor in Makhachkala is colossal ............. in the background is the modest home of a Dagestan official
      1. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 19 February 2013 13: 17
        +2
        Absolutely accurate description of the situation.
    2. ultra
      ultra 19 February 2013 12: 37
      +2
      Quote: regin
      he is here in Moscow we thriving

      But do not you think that Moscow is thriving at the expense of Russia! A bunch of lumpen proletarians! am
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 February 2013 12: 44
        +4
        Quote: ultra
        But do not you think that Moscow is thriving at the expense of Russia!


        You propose to separate Moscow from Russia, and in a month humanitarian aid will have to be sent there. Most of the citizens there are not accustomed to work hi
        1. queen
          queen 19 February 2013 13: 02
          +3
          Of course)))) you know better. Only those who are not used to getting their hands dirty and don’t want to develop and build where they were born .... everyone wants to be here office plankton .... buy on credit focus and shout that I'm the coolest . I personally work with my own hands, I repair a car myself, repair a flat myself. Because I like it, do it with my own hands .... rather than feed the newcomers. You don’t tear a friend out of anger.
      2. queen
        queen 19 February 2013 12: 48
        +1
        No. I’m a native Moskvich. And don’t say that we are snickering. It’s not ethical. Only 1 percent is in chocolate. Moscow is not the whole country, I agree completely ..... but all this rabble is here, and our government allows them everything and everyone .
  2. SSR
    SSR 19 February 2013 12: 22
    0
    I am inclined to suspect that behind this shift is rather a conflict of oligarchic forces with interests in the region.

    For example, Medvedev signed a cooperation agreement between Dagestan and Azerbaijan, which is completely disadvantageous for Russia.

    Wherever you stick Luntik’s ears stick out (((
  3. Black_s
    Black_s 19 February 2013 12: 26
    +2
    A very interesting interview, finally some kind of objective view of the question. Alas, Moscow has long been pursuing a stupid policy in the Caucasus and reaping the benefits .... And the current slogan "enough to feed the Caucasus" is an excellent plan to aggravate the situation, invented by the Belkovsky-Navalny-Basayevs ...
    1. Homo
      Homo 19 February 2013 12: 55
      +2
      Black_s, but about objectivity, I very much doubt it. "Aksakal" also seems to be involved in clan showdowns and his article is ordered.
      1. queen
        queen 19 February 2013 13: 04
        0
        They are called Dagas, and there are clan nationalities in darkness ... they themselves have already lost who and how.
  4. strannik595
    strannik595 19 February 2013 12: 28
    0
    I watched a program about Dagestan, there is a confrontation between various clans for power, money, influence (there the elite builds such (!) palaces for themselves on the budgetary money of Russia), and they pass it off as the machinations of Wahhabis, of which there are only a few .... ............ we need a new architecture of power, business, education, with the same earthen plots to solve the problem ........ then there will be peace and the republic will cease to live on subsidies ..... ..
    About Machachkala ... The city is divided into the so-called feudal micro-states, which are distributed between the security forces and officials. Each official’s house is a separate state, with its own electrical substation, water tank, security, barriers, servants, and even with individual personal lampposts. Here, in almost all streets, there are video cameras, which seems to have a positive effect on reducing crime, but the killings take place right under them, even in larger numbers than before they were installed. Apparently, they are needed for other purposes.
    There is almost no free space in the city. Everything is built up, every meter. Basically, shopping centers are being built, which are already more than the residents of the city, and which no one goes to, but the construction continues stubbornly. Makhachkala is a city of contrasts, in which there is very little common sense and a lot of unhealthy ambitions. If the official seized upon the post, the first thing he does is rebuild the palace, preferably the largest on the street. And the view of our streets is very strange, the little shacks of the 1950s, stand through one with the palaces of the officials - “servants of the people”. The difference between rich and poor in Makhachkala is enormous.
  5. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 19 February 2013 12: 28
    +2
    Of course, there isn’t any religious extremism, it’s just Islam am
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 19 February 2013 13: 25
      0
      Cat, you do not understand ... - there is both, but only a third party - the groupings strongly like to write off their bad deeds on the extremists, for sure, and negotiating with them on separate "issues". Everything is very confusing.
  6. denisey
    denisey 19 February 2013 12: 35
    +4
    I will say as I think, this is my personal opinion. I do not need Dagestan as part of Russia. I didn’t see anything good from the time the Russian Federation arose. Their contempt for us Russians will not see only stupid! They are part of the Russian Federation only because it is beneficial to the oligarchs and nothing more. But such as Tolboev Magomed Omarovich are great people. Question! that's what to do!
    1. queen
      queen 19 February 2013 13: 19
      +2
      To send and enclose something from the civilized world, the Caucasus is a dead end branch of development. They, as they were in the Middle Ages, still live there, but they impose their laws and traditions on us. Moreover, he is a citizen of the Russian Federation.
      1. ultra
        ultra 19 February 2013 14: 35
        0
        Quote: regin
        What, what, send and enclose from the civilized world, the Caucasus is a dead end branch of development

        Quote: regin
        And don’t say that we snickered. It’s not ethical. Only 1 percent is in chocolate. Moscow is not the whole country.

        Contradict yourself! request
    2. ultra
      ultra 19 February 2013 14: 29
      +4
      Quote: denisey
      I do not need Dagestan as part of Russia

      And what do you need? Retreat until when? Maybe to the borders of the Garden Ring? Think before you write this! am
  7. tomket
    tomket 19 February 2013 12: 36
    +1
    Methane, which stood out from the swamp on the side of the road, began to interact with alpha rays from Venus, which was in phase with Jupiter and all this was superimposed on the refractive interference of the spectro beam from the checkpoint, here you have an explosion, and you are Islamic terrorism, terrorism.
  8. anchonsha
    anchonsha 19 February 2013 12: 47
    0
    Well, yes, the article is an obvious detonator for all Caucasian republics. If the whole Caucasus rests on clanism, on peculiar family ties, then what kind of election of the leaders of the republics can be discussed. If even in Soviet times this clanism was not erased from the consciousness of people, then will democracy prevail now only at the call of this author? If people choose an extremist in Dagestan (and there it’s enough to intimidate or bribe the population), then of course he will say that he serves only the people and radical Islam. The same goes for the transfer of land to the people in the form of committees, some associations. This is a real war. And only legislative bodies of the republics are vested with land issues
  9. andsavichev2012
    andsavichev2012 19 February 2013 13: 39
    -2
    It is not difficult to cross out the Caucasus from Russia, its strategic importance in opposition to the Ottoman Empire. he has already lost so much. Yes, and there is little oil left.
    This is on the one hand.
    On the other: they are willing to serve in our army, improve Russian demography, DO NOT DRINK (in bulk).
    The tsarist government, and even the Soviet one (before the war), didn’t particularly interfere in their internal disassemblies. It may be easier to return to this. What difference does it make to most Russians, especially in Siberia and D.V. who will be the next prince .... If only the Kremlin obeyed and steered its
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 19 February 2013 14: 17
      +2
      What is reasonableness ... The main thing is not to burst from arrogance ... Your Honor ...
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 19 February 2013 15: 03
      0
      Until 1917 there was a Pale of Settlement, then an institute of registration and an article for parasitism. Forget about those times.
      1. andsavichev2012
        andsavichev2012 19 February 2013 16: 17
        0
        The Imperial Pale of Settlement was current for Jews and current until 1915. The registration appeared in the 30s in the largest cities and only by the beginning of the 60s became universal. An article for parasitism appeared in the Criminal Code in 1964.
  10. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 19 February 2013 14: 11
    +2
    “There is no religious extremism in Dagestan”
    - this is not so, there is extremism, religious extremism, there are many other bad things .., but, only in the right quantities to certain groups ...
  11. 120352
    120352 19 February 2013 14: 17
    0
    Dagestan religious extremism flourishes in Russia, especially in the Stavropol Territory.
  12. fenix57
    fenix57 19 February 2013 14: 21
    0
    , Throughout recent history, starting in the late 80s and early 90s, Dagestan has been relatively stable for only one reason. So-called ethno-parties began to take shape there, what we today call clans."Suppose, I agree. ".... I will tell you what can be done. It is possible to improve life if, in the North Caucasus, not only in Dagestan, democratic land reform is carried outat. "- But how the fucking clans. hi - there can be no reforms(except for the actions of specialists ...). The territory of Dagestan borders with Azerbaijan in the south, with Georgia in the southwest, also with the Chechen Republic in the west, with the Stavropol Territory in the northwest and with the Republic of Kalmykia in the north.
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 19 February 2013 14: 43
      +2
      ... may the "clan" of justice and special forces win!
      1. dmb
        dmb 19 February 2013 15: 56
        0
        Hello Magomed. I don't know, Khizrieva, but from interviews it seems to me that he belongs to the Dagestani intelligentsia. Naturally, there is nothing bad in this (rather, even good), but to our deep regret, this part of our society sometimes "hovers in the heights". This is me about his proposal for a "democratic redistribution" of land. What he means by this, I honestly did not understand. However, he himself confirms that this is something akin to vouchers, when they were given out for 25 rubles, they also promised two Volgas. And then, we already have all the contradictions over land and territories between the Akins, Kumyks, Avars, Ingush, Ossetians, etc. removed? I absolutely agree with one of his phrases: "If you want serious changes in Dagestan, then these changes are needed first in Russia. In another Russia, there may be another Dagestan." Then your phrase about the law and special forces will sound completely different.
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 19 February 2013 19: 03
          +1
          Hello Dmitry.
          I think on territorial issues, we are still able to come to an agreement, this is not such a problem. We usually remember the land agreements, we remember where whose shred was, this was always paid special attention.
          "If you want serious changes in Dagestan, then these changes are needed first in Russia. In another Russia there may be another Dagestan."
          - The statement is both fair, on the one hand, and populist on the other. If Russia were more organized as the USSR, such a mess would naturally not be. But the most offensive, Dagestan, having received relative freedom, immediately degraded in terms of social justice and general culture. But to justify us, I can say that there was a revision of basic values ​​in the same way as throughout the country (again, excuse). I note - without the ideas of Islamic radicalism of frontier delivery, it would be much easier for us to live - our dear lawless people, would have to be honestly called -Mafia, Org. crime, killers ...
  13. avt
    avt 19 February 2013 14: 27
    +1
    ,, -Well, this is positively interesting, -shaking with laughter, the professor said, -that is it you have, no matter what you miss there is nothing! ................... ....- So, therefore, it’s still not present? "MA Bulgakov Well, this cake is exactly Berlioz from the Master and Margarita." Political scientist "or mind is much below average, although rather the first.