Western readers comment on the British media report about the first strike by an Ukrainian Armed Forces aircraft on the “internationally recognized” territory of Russia

105
Western readers comment on the British media report about the first strike by an Ukrainian Armed Forces aircraft on the “internationally recognized” territory of Russia

British reporters prepared and released material describing Ukraine's strikes on “internationally recognized” Russian territory. Let us recall that a little earlier in a number of Western countries, senior officials declared “not interfering with such attacks.” Among these are the authorities of Britain and France.

Sky News comes out with material saying that for the first time an Air Force aircraft of the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a missile strike on Russian territory. The material claims that a plane of the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked Belgorod.



At the same time, British reporters say that they have no information regarding what kind of ammunition (NATO or non-NATO) this strike was carried out.

Earlier, the Austrian Ministry of Defense said that strikes on “internationally recognized” Russian territory were crossing the “red line,” which could lead to a new escalation of the conflict.

A few comments from British and Austrian readers (viewers):

So, Ukraine is striking at the territory of Russia that is recognized by the whole world. This means that our authorities themselves have abandoned their words that they will not allow this to Ukraine. What other promises are you willing to give up?

Strikes deep into Russia. But what, attacks on other territories have already allowed Kyiv to achieve success? As far as is known, this did not lead to any success at the front, with the exception of successes after negotiations with Russia.

At first I thought it was an indicator of strength. But now I understand that I was wrong, because strikes against Russia only expand the geography of the war, without bringing a positive result for the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the battlefield.

An act of desperation? Or new attempts to poke a Russian bear in the side with a stick and expect that he will not respond?
105 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +5
    9 June 2024 23: 02
    To destroy aviation, the Ukrainian Armed Forces need reconnaissance UAVs that could constantly hover over enemy territory.
    The Russian company Integral Robotic Technologies (IRT) has developed promising optical-electronic reconnaissance drone R-22.

    R-22 is an aircraft-type drone with a two-boom lightweight tail section and small-sized elevator control servos. Its cruising speed is 80 km/h.

    The UAV successfully passed field tests. Now the developers are considering the possibility of using it in combat. It is expected that the R-22 will conduct optical-electronic reconnaissance of strategically important enemy targets with a flight range of up to 1800 km.

    .That's why it will not be difficult for him to appear in the skies of the Lvov or Kyiv region and direct Russian aviation missiles at strategically important objects of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    And The long-range reconnaissance drone can be controlled both via telemetric communication channels and via a satellite module integrated into the design. What military expert Evgeny Damantsev writes about. The maximum speed of the UAV with day and night reconnaissance parameters is 80 km/h.


    https://overclockers.ru/blog/ProKino/show/162372/RF-mozhet-nachat-primenyat-na-SVO-arkticheskij-BPLA-R-22-s-dal-nost-ju-poleta-do-1800-km
    1. +6
      10 June 2024 00: 37
      We could remember that we are, after all, a space power, and a satellite with good optics over the territory of Ukraine is a completely solvable task.
      1. +30
        10 June 2024 00: 55
        Hmm..."we are a space power"
        The USSR was like that, and we, by inertia, consider ourselves like that. And in this sense, in comparison with global development - China, India, Japan, etc., and even Iran, North Korea.
        We just stand still and degrade. Science and production are failing badly in all directions.
        1. -4
          10 June 2024 04: 51
          And in this sense, in comparison with global development - China, India, Japan, etc., and even Iran, North Korea.

          Remove China from the list. See comment below.
      2. +2
        10 June 2024 04: 47
        We could remember that we are, after all, a space power, and a satellite with good optics over the territory of Ukraine is a completely solvable task.

        The problem is that you can’t buy them on Ali Express. And this is how the problem is solved.
        https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4138303.html
        Cooperation with China on this issue could help. In the article dated December 17.12.2023, XNUMX
        According to US intelligence, China is rapidly expanding its military and reconnaissance satellite constellations. Today, the Celestial Empire has 198 satellites in orbit to solve such problems and a powerful system for processing the data received from them (and this is a separate area with powerful data centers). Russia, by comparison, has only 11 military data-gathering satellites.
        https://3dnews.ru/1097577/kitay-zapustil-nastolko-bolshoy-sputnik-opticheskoy-razvedki-chto-on-ne-pomestilsya-v-shtatniy-obtekatel-tyagyoloy-raketi
      3. +13
        10 June 2024 06: 45
        He began to strongly doubt us as a space power when we crashed the module on the Moon. Moreover, the Chinese and Indians were able to. And Roscosmos quietly grunted about an error in calculating the landing speed.
        1. +12
          10 June 2024 07: 13
          Well, since the royal dog has been in charge of our space for so many years, it is not surprising that the attack on the Moon was successful.
      4. +4
        10 June 2024 08: 03
        Quote: Bad_gr
        We could remember that we are, after all, a space power, and a satellite with good optics over the territory of Ukraine is a completely solvable task.

        It is there, but the flying plane cannot be seen on this satellite. We need a UAV with DLRO that would hang for days, for example, something similar to the “RQ-4 Global Hawk” that flies over the Black Sea off our shores every day.
        1. +2
          10 June 2024 13: 07
          We need aerostat platforms...

          Integrated into the network. Autonomous (unmanned). On duty 24 x 7. All-weather, all-angle (all-round visibility in azimuth and elevation. That is, with phased array...).

          And deployed at an operational-tactical distance from the LBS, with integration into a single Network...

          And in terms of the effectiveness of solving the problem of detecting (capturing, tracking and issuing control commands to weapons) of enemy objects in the controlled sector of the air defense, at any distance and altitude, no AWACS or "(D)UAV" platforms can compare with them... Incl. .and in terms of combat use ratio...
          1. 0
            10 June 2024 15: 04
            We need aerostat platforms...

            How are you going to control the wind at altitude?
            no AWACS or "(D)UAV" platforms can compare with them... Including in terms of combat use ratio...

            DLRO is a Long Range Radio Location Detection System. The carrier of this miracle can be anything, even a helicopter, an airplane, or a UAV.
            Next, a good all-round radar for 300 km consumes at least 10 kW of electricity, you will forgive it on the Aerostat, what will you power it with? or will you carry a diesel generator?
            1. +2
              10 June 2024 22: 22
              Actually, not AWACS, but AWACS. In other words, long-range radar detection AND AIR SITUATION MANAGEMENT in a given airspace sector...

              But there is no need to “control” the wind. It needs to be counteracted... AND EVEN USED ITS ENERGY for “local” recharging of BREA on the appropriate platform. Which is in no way possible on a (D)UAV and on a “satellite”...

              Is it news to you that modern balloons are mobile and can move to a given point (altitude and azimuth) and fix their position there?..

              10 kW x hour of power consumption is “seeds”. Relatively speaking, this is the “work” of one kilowatt electric heater for 10 hours...

              And the diesel generator ensures, under “situational conditions,” combat readiness, combat readiness, and autonomy for 4 hours, even of such an “ancient” early warning system, consuming HUNDREDS of kW, like the “Dnepr-M”...

              In general, I am touched by the attempts, INSTEAD OF A CONCEPTUAL discussion of the topic, to the point, to immediately “jump” into a discussion of local purely technical (and therefore ALWAYS solvable) issues...

              In short, they “slept through” the topic of aerostat platforms, just as they slept through the topic of (D)UAVs in their time... That is. "roll up your sleeves" in the development of ALL classes
              these platforms (from “mini” to “heavy...) should have been !% years ago, at least AT LEAST. But they “woke up” only 5 - 6 years ago. And “fully” only with the beginning of the Northern War. A couple of years back... The enemy FORCED...

              Now, I would like to be mistaken, but exactly the same will happen with the aerostat platforms for the purpose mentioned... Again the enemy WILL FORCE.
              1. 0
                11 June 2024 10: 59
                AND AIR SITUATION MANAGEMENT in a given airspace sector...
                Management requires people. They put a bunch of people in the IL-76 A50 to control it, but now the technology allows you to transfer data anywhere and control it there. So if we are already talking about the concept, then only reconnaissance remains on the flying vehicle, and this is DLRO without control.

                But there is no need to “control” the wind. It needs to be counteracted... AND EVEN USED ITS ENERGY for “local” recharging of BREA on the appropriate platform
                To use energy for recharging, you need a fulcrum. which the balloon does not have. All these balloons fly when the weather allows, and the wind is not very strong, but the weather is not constant and sometimes worsens so that even airplanes do not fly.
                1. 0
                  15 June 2024 01: 58
                  The DPRK simply uses tethered balloons for this purpose and does not bother with balloons.
      5. 0
        10 June 2024 15: 43
        For a satellite to hang “above” it must be in geostationary orbit, which is 30 thousand km from the earth.
        1. 0
          12 June 2024 19: 02
          So what are the problems, they will screw up the telescope and look through it at a spot 10 km in diameter! But everything that fits into this spot will definitely be seen! But it is not exactly..
    2. +11
      10 June 2024 10: 57
      Dear OrangeBigg! It seems to me that in order to destroy enemy aircraft, what is needed is not reconnaissance UAVs, but, for starters, political will, determination, the organization of echeloned air defense - missile defense defense of one's territories... And then we can talk about all sorts of technical "gadgets" and tactical techniques.. . on the battlefield... They thought that the Ukrainian brothers would greet us with “bread and salt and vodka” two years ago, at the beginning of the “liberation campaign” to the West... But no! Everything “turned around” with that part of the body that we modestly keep silent about.... From all the domestic media and irons, they “prophesy” to us that the West understood the last “Chinese” warning, from the lips of the Supreme Commander, made by him on the sidelines of SPIEF-24. ... In fact, the West did not intend and does not intend to understand, respect, or fear anything from the series of “international politesse” and the meanings embedded in the messages, between the lines... The West respects and fears brute force, unpredictability and inevitability... And Russia, for them (West + USA), is from the series “blah blah blah” (taught)... So, now, we “scoop” not with a spoon, but with a ladle, the “WANTS” of our sworn “partners”... And all this seems to be just the beginning...
      1. +9
        10 June 2024 12: 43
        Well, yes, all over the world they fear and respect the Russian Federation so much that they shell its cities and are not afraid of getting it in response. Because the answer will come from Russians like us. The Anglo-Saxons did a lot to make the Russians fight with the Russians. And the Russian Federation is doing everything so that there are no Russians left in the Russian Federation, they are replaced by migrants, instead of supporting them, because it is a lost profit to feed the locals. And then, every third or fourth migrant will pick up a knife (pistol, machine gun, ax) and go (on command) to kill the locals in order to free up a “place in the sun” for themselves, and to rob at the same time, as they have already done in their national republics With the full connivance of the police, because she is on their salary, and the locals do not pay. And they wrote about this 15 and 10 years ago. Why isn't anything being done to fix it? Everything is disgustingly simple: officials live in a different reality. They serve the interests of the ruling class - the capitalists. But for the capitalists, the money is there, the children are there.
        1. -1
          10 June 2024 18: 43
          Quote: AKuzenka
          Because the answer will come from Russians like us. The Anglo-Saxons did a lot to make the Russians fight with the Russians.

          In xoxland, Russians have long turned into non-Russians, their behavior and the Westerners’ methods of war speak of this.
          1. +3
            11 June 2024 08: 46
            In xoxland, Russians have long turned into non-Russians, their behavior and the Westerners’ methods of war speak of this.
            It is just a matter of propaganda and imposition of values. If you look at us, you can also find a lot of Western things.
            1. +1
              11 June 2024 22: 06
              Quote: AKuzenka
              It is just a matter of propaganda and imposition of values. If you look at us, you can also find a lot of Western things.

              They will no longer be re-promoted, they will remain so.
              1. 0
                14 June 2024 22: 56
                Certainly. Man is a suggestible creature, and only through intensive brain work can one somehow protect himself. But not for very long. We must fence ourselves off from propaganda. And just analyze. It’s difficult to mess up such a person’s brains. And the vast majority believe it unconditionally. It's not even a question of knowledge.
            2. +1
              13 June 2024 10: 59
              It is enough just to listen to the speech))) Some researchers claim that the share of borrowed words in the Russian language reaches 70 percent or more. For many narrow-minded people this means nothing, but in fact...
              1. 0
                14 June 2024 22: 53
                Delve into the history of the emergence of the “Ukrainian language”. A lot of interesting things will open up for you. It's all artificial. Even during the times of the USSR, there was a joke: Khokhla is asked what a Ukrainian cat would be like? He answers whale. How do you say whale in Ukrainian?
                1. +1
                  15 June 2024 02: 05
                  This is not from a joke, this is Mikhail Bulgakov, "Young Guard", If I'm not mistaken. He was a distinguished Ukrainophobe))), understood how it would end
                  1. 0
                    15 June 2024 20: 14
                    Colleague, I’ll correct you: “White Guard”, Bulgakov. "Young Guard" is Fadeev.
                    1. 0
                      16 June 2024 02: 29
                      Thank you! Exactly, but I’m still thinking, What does the young woman have to do with it? So they remembered Fadeev at the same time)))
              2. 0
                15 June 2024 02: 04
                I agree with the moral of what you said, but cut back on the sturgeon))
      2. -3
        10 June 2024 14: 55
        I apologize, but you are expressing an emotional “cliché”...

        T.N. “The West”, in relation to “what is possible and what is not” in relation to Russia, is far from united and split (even with its general anti-Russianness...).

        The current "steering" so-called. "West", overseas dolls - senile people and their puppets - clowns and other tobacco from the so-called. "Europeans" consider it a "weakness" if any of their greyhounds are not immediately given a slap in the snot...

        Smart people of the West without the “so-called”, such as Bismarck, KNOWING Russia, warned that Russia harnesses slowly, but drives quickly...

        But when Moscow starts driving, the so-called “west” on the territory of the former united Ukraine will lose EVERYTHING. First of all...

        And, secondly, it will be up to Moscow exclusively to decide where and when to “make a stop”. And on OUR terms. And which she will voice to THOSE with whom SHE deems it necessary to generally talk about this topic...
      3. 0
        13 June 2024 15: 44
        Quote from nordscout
        To destroy enemy aircraft, you don’t need reconnaissance UAVs, but, for starters, political will, determination, organization…. The West was not and is not going to understand, respect, or fear anything from the series of “international politesse” and the meanings embedded in the messages, between the lines... The West respects and fears brute force, unpredictability and inevitability.
        Have you noticed that we very often return to the same idea: until the West feels the Bobi, they will ignore the words of the Supreme Commander & the People, as well as sensible voices on their side - unacceptable losses must be felt
  2. +1
    9 June 2024 23: 03
    Was there really an air strike on Belgorod?
    1. 0
      10 June 2024 10: 51
      Highly-likely-arrogant Saxons won’t lie :)))
  3. BAI
    +13
    9 June 2024 23: 04
    What does first strike mean?
    A few weeks ago it was reported that an air-to-ground anti-radar missile struck the Belgord region.
    And it didn’t cause any excitement. Why are you sweating now?
    1. +14
      9 June 2024 23: 25
      The first blow or not the first, it doesn’t matter.
      The very fact of expanding the geography of combat operations is important.
      1. +3
        9 June 2024 23: 57
        Likewise, strikes against targets in Belgorod also do not lead to geographic expansion. Drones hit much further.

        I suspect that the tactics used in the attacks on Crimea began to be used in the Belogorod region after receiving permission. That is, apparently, the first arrival of Storm Shadow occurred.
        1. +3
          10 June 2024 08: 09
          Quote: Commissar Kitten
          Likewise, strikes against targets in Belgorod also do not lead to geographic expansion. Drones hit much further.
          Over the 2+ years of the Northern Military District, Belgorod has suffered greatly; it is shelled almost every day. It’s strange that they have only now started writing about this.
          Or did they not know that they had fired at Belgorod before? But what about the bags of Czech vampires that generously showered the entire area? But what about the assault on the border? border crossing involving Bradley? Or don’t they remember all that?
    2. +1
      10 June 2024 06: 48
      Did anyone really doubt that as soon as they were given the opportunity, he would immediately fly?
  4. +10
    9 June 2024 23: 04
    This is just preparation for what will happen when the F-16s arrive. I am convinced that they will be stationed at NATO airports, fly into Ukrainian airspace and launch missiles. The West already sees that the bear has no teeth and doesn’t even swat away flies, so it will escalate with impunity. Because they already know that only a madman can attack them, the guarantor himself assured them of this.
    1. -5
      9 June 2024 23: 15
      Many F-16s will most likely be flown by Western aces classified as “secret.” Ukrainian pilots will be shown in media. Also, the “flying radars” transmitted by Sweden will have a completely NATO “team”. There is a terrible shortage of personnel in Ukraine. They are transferred just for the “bundle” with the F-16. The task of Western personnel using Western toys is to resist bomb attacks on the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. They will hunt Russian aviation,
      – writes the Ukrainian TG channel “Legitimny”.

      The authors of the channel, citing their sources, report that the first batch of F-16s will be small. Airplanes will be used in a targeted manner. At the same time, they will not be stored and placed in reality in Ukraine. Although everyone will be told that they are stationed at local airfields.

      In this regard, our President Vladimir Putin has already stated that such airfields from which planes fly to destroy Russian military personnel will be considered legitimate targets. In order for us to hit them accurately, there are weapons.
      1. +13
        9 June 2024 23: 57
        Another puff of cheeks. There is no trust in the words of the great Pu. It would be nice to put these lawless people in their place. How long can you wipe yourself off from spitting in our direction? All the sleeves are already wet.
        1. +5
          10 June 2024 00: 25
          Quote: Navigator
          How long can you wipe yourself off from spitting?

          And he’s no stranger to it. They have been messing around with the Minsk agreements for so many years, and even in Istanbul they have made such a mess. only he can do it. And now it seems that he is ready to put down the entire army, but in no case should he use radical measures.
          1. -2
            10 June 2024 05: 12
            Quote: kventinasd
            So many years of screwing around with the Minsk agreements, and even in Istanbul such a mess

            oddly enough, the balance is maintained, BRICS is growing, the share of payments in dollars is decreasing, we are imprisoning generals, we are clearing the stage, the stores are full of goods, our squadron has entered Cuba....
            1. +3
              10 June 2024 07: 58
              Quote: aybolyt678
              oddly enough, the balance is maintained

              This is not a balance, this is a clear advantage of one of the parties. Balance is when everyone stays the same. and you wrote about a weak but gradually growing advantage,
              1. The comment was deleted.
            2. 0
              15 June 2024 02: 18
              I agree, but how long can we endure, it’s a long game, no matter how long our entire lives, God grant us all health!
        2. +5
          10 June 2024 08: 21
          . How long can you wipe yourself off from spitting in our direction?


          The thug stands there and spits on the “little scumbag.” And how will the little one respond? He will only express concern, that’s all. And what do you suggest? Give the thug a punch in the face? So he will break his legs and arms in response.
          How to answer? We have a small population, little money, Brezhnev's reserves are not endless, and there is no cohesive society. There are no response options.
          Who will do the work?
          We are weak. The economy is weak, there are no finances, you know what people are like.
          Where will the formidable answer come from?
          To answer, it was necessary not to chat for decades, but to get down to business. And then one says that there is no money, hang in there... ., and in some apartments there is only cash for the annual budget of the Samara region, for example. They take it out in trucks. Sometimes.
          While there is no strength, you will have to endure.
          1. Aag
            +2
            10 June 2024 11: 42
            "... While I don't have the strength, I'll have to endure.."
            And where will they - the forces - come from with this approach?
            1. Aag
              +1
              10 June 2024 11: 46
              HEIRS OF KOZMA PRUTKOV
              There are two of them, and both are in high ranks. Chernomyrdin Viktor Stepanovich has long been and deservedly famous for his unsurpassed aphorisms. About Leonid Vladimirovich Shebarshin, lieutenant general, head of foreign intelligence and acting. The general public knows much less about the chairman of the KGB. He died in 2012 under unclear circumstances and left behind many aphorisms. Here are some of them:

              - We Russians are very talented. Especially Jews.

              - The advantage of dictatorship over democracy is obvious to everyone - it is better to deal with one swindler than with many.

              - We have everything ahead. This thought is disturbing.

              - Don't go back to the past. There's no one there anymore.

              - The stupider the authorities, the less they doubt their wisdom.

              - They don’t change horses at the crossing, but it would be worth changing the coachman.

              “If things go in this manner, then the people will not even have the strength for a civil war.”

              “These are such difficult times, but no one has been shot yet.” It’s as if we don’t live in Russia.

              - Moscow is great, but there is nowhere to retreat. All around Russia!

              “Russia is being ruined by literacy without culture, drinking without snacks and power without conscience.

              - Amazing lady - democracy. She is raped, and she still flirts.

              - Life was not lived in vain, but in vain.

              - The country cannot bear another victory for democracy.

              - Unlike male politicians, who are simply unpleasant, female politicians are disgusting.

              - The more expensive bread, the cheaper human rights.

              - Our time will come, but it will not catch us.

              - If there are no thoughts, then they are not needed. This is how thoughts differ from money.

              - Don't get ahead of yourself. The back is an easy target.

              - Russia will not be left without foreign friends as long as it has something to plunder.

              - We were let down by the psychology of a “besieged fortress.” We were expecting an attack from outside.

              - People are ready to drink any cup. There would be a snack.

              - According to Goskomstat, Russians most often die from living in Russia.

              - Treatment is expensive, dying is cheap, but burying is more expensive than treatment. Need to live.

              - ...a part of the land, surrounded on all sides by civilization.

              - What Russian doesn’t like driving fast? - The one they ride on.

              - In order to properly distort history, you need to know it.

              - The idea of ​​a world revolution was not born from a good life. And she didn’t die from a good life.

              - How many bubbles were inflated with the air of freedom!

              - Darkness is approaching at the speed of light.

              - Gorbachev was ruined by a female character trait - to be loved at any cost.

              - Russia is the only country that lost its independence at the end of the twentieth century.

              - There are many surnames, but no first names.

              - A hopelessly bright future.

              - You can still live, but it’s very disgusting.

              - Russia is a mighty mountain. But what kind of mice she gave birth to!

              - The authorities have lost their heads, but the opposition has not found it.
          2. +2
            10 June 2024 16: 33
            That's what we're talking about. Who was involved in boltology? With the proper attitude to the matter, was it really impossible to restore order in 20-odd years?
    2. 0
      10 June 2024 05: 55
      ...the bear has no teeth

      Because the teddy bear is a teddy bear, I don’t know by what miracle he started fighting. Well, or as an option, he sits on a short leash with his paws tied.
    3. 0
      15 June 2024 02: 13
      Do you think that the f-16 will take off from an airfield in Romania, fly into Ukrainian airspace, shoot at our troops in Ukraine and then calmly land at an airfield in Romania? Actually, this is Belli's incident.
      P.S. In general, I’m talking about the eggs of the Most Serene One
      P.S. 2, of course, such an F16 will be shot down by us as quickly as possible, but it can fly a couple of kilometers to fire a shot and quickly return back... no missile will have time, and shooting down in advance is also a bit of Belli’s incident. Although if a missile shoots him down over Romanian territory, this will not be such a problem for us, if he fired at us from the territory of Ukraine, this is an excuse for us, anyone will understand this when a nuclear missile looms in front of him
    4. 0
      15 June 2024 02: 21
      As soon as we shoot down a couple of F16s, something will change, I can’t predict in which direction, But there are only two of them... But it will definitely be interesting
  5. +3
    9 June 2024 23: 04
    “And with us everything is just beginning”... Words from what turns out to be a sad song.
  6. 0
    9 June 2024 23: 07
    I think there are rave reviews, especially in the Baltic states and Poland. The Russian Federation will not do anything with NATO - it is not the right opportunity, if it may need to beat Ukraine and think think think, invent new ways of causing damage to the enemy. War is always an improvisation - it rarely goes according to plan. When did you get involved, was it your head or your ass? As it was before, apparently this is the next line, how the Russian Federation will respond - it will hit where it has not hit before, something like buildings in Kyiv (I would hit the TV tower), but I think that the GDP was warned about civilian objects and it is connected to the new line.
    1. +20
      9 June 2024 23: 11
      The Russian Federation and Ukraine only hit back. And if so, then the worst with such a policy is only ahead for us. Impunity is an invitation to aggression. But the worst thing is that by pursuing such a toothless policy, we are losing all authority, both within the country and abroad, because everything that is happening now is not business. And everyone openly begins to spit on all our warnings and stops accepting them seriously, which means the only option left is the use of force.
      1. -15
        9 June 2024 23: 16
        So it is, but it’s clear that it’s not from a good life. A lot of things in Russia depend on the outside; society inside is not homogeneous. If in Ukraine they simply follow instructions, then the leadership of the Russian Federation must apparently approve any increase in rates. What would be easier, like the United States in 45, launching one nuclear strike on a small city and a peace agreement will be in a week.
        1. -3
          9 June 2024 23: 22
          . A lot of things in Russia depend on external


          From what external? Explain. I don’t understand. Russia, in my opinion, is a country that is as closed to itself as possible, the same years of sanctions have prepared the ground for this.

          . society is not homogeneous within.


          I didn’t understand this either. Explain what the heterogeneity is. In my opinion, it couldn’t be more homogeneous.
          1. -2
            9 June 2024 23: 28
            If you know, Russia even exports a paper clip on a loaf with the date stamped on it, about the rest. The West essentially turns a blind eye to parallel imports. My wife, when ordering television equipment from the USA via Georgia, indicates the recipient - Kyrgyzstan, but the import is very large and you have to pay for it, $€. In order to pay, you need to export something, and the Russian Federation essentially also allows you to do this, I think the more rigidity there is from Russia, the more they will tighten the screws
            1. +2
              10 June 2024 01: 08
              Quote: Igor1915
              My wife, when ordering television equipment from the USA via Georgia, indicates the recipient - Kyrgyzstan

              oh, how, we installed a Chinese spindle on a German machine, and the cost of a new Chinese one is equal to the cost of repairing a German one, hello wife, turn the nuts!
          2. +2
            9 June 2024 23: 32
            I believe that at least 30% of society (this is purely my personal assessment) believe that the SVO was not started correctly, which is why I consider society not homogeneous. If people gave up everything (resorts, auto clothes, etc.) and everything was for the front, everything for victory, then I would conclude that everyone is determined to win by any means.
            1. The comment was deleted.
              1. +3
                10 June 2024 08: 36
                Quote: K_4
                Yes people are ready to give up
                Not all. Some guess that the nomenklatura and propagandists who talk about patriotism, having property and relatives abroad, talk about the inevitability and necessity of the SVO with approximately the same degree of cynicism and manipulation.
          3. 0
            15 June 2024 02: 30
            What country do you live in? We are in Russia.
    2. +11
      9 June 2024 23: 26
      At the economic forum, the GDP stated that we will win without tactical nuclear weapons. This means the war will be long and bloody and many of our guys will die. Many will be crippled. I don't approve of his adventurism. You need to fight to the fullest and with all available weapons. Let's see how the summer ends.
      1. -5
        9 June 2024 23: 38
        I agree with you. If Ukraine doesn’t hit something somewhere, then summer will end where it began. Putin essentially leads a personal army which he personally pays for (from the budget). Now there is no conscription of 5 ages as in the Second World War. I think we’ll find out what he’s waiting for by the end of the year.
      2. +2
        10 June 2024 00: 35
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        Let's see how the summer ends.

        It will end the same way it started.
        No one has been expecting anything breakthrough or strategic from our General Staff, much less from the Chief for a long time.
      3. 0
        10 June 2024 03: 51
        He also stated that he was ready for a renegotiation based on the principles of the Minsk and Istanbul agreements.
        1. 0
          10 June 2024 16: 39
          Surkov has already come out with his “minus Zelensky” initiative. If the author of “Minsk” was pulled up, then wait for Khasavyurt-2.
          1. +1
            11 June 2024 08: 39
            We will still have to negotiate otherwise?? Russia now is not the Wehrmacht in 40 or the Red Army in 45, when the winner himself decides what the conditions will be.
    3. 0
      15 June 2024 02: 24
      Regarding TV towers and other things on the Internet, this is generally funny. I would destroy them first, but the GDP is apparently connected with something, apparently our president is really very kind and liberal, the President is to blame. It was just a typo, I confess, the Western program does not write correctly, I have to correct everything myself) ))
  7. 0
    9 June 2024 23: 19
    “How will the Russian Federation respond? It will hit somewhere it hasn’t hit before, something like buildings in Kyiv (I would hit the TV tower), but I think that the GDP was warned about civilian objects and it is connected to the new line” -
    The TV tower in Kyiv has already been hit. At the beginning of the SVO. and who needs a TV tower when the means of communication and communications are now not connected to TV towers?
    I think Russia just needs to start implementing the warnings and threats that have already been voiced. A completely adequate answer, and the “partners” were warned a long time ago. This should come as a surprise to them.
    1. 0
      12 June 2024 19: 13
      Quote: Dim_Med
      I think Russia just needs to start implementing the warnings and threats that have already been voiced. A completely adequate answer, and the “partners” were warned a long time ago. This should come as a surprise to them.

      Are you calling nuclear weapons strikes an “adequate response”?
  8. 0
    9 June 2024 23: 49
    Sky News comes out with material saying that for the first time an Air Force aircraft of the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a missile strike on Russian territory. The material claims that a plane of the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked Belgorod. At the same time, British reporters say that they have no information regarding what kind of ammunition (NATO or non-NATO) this strike was carried out.

    What can be discussed here? Was there a blow? What was it caused by? The British made a news release without confirmation. Here he was supported. What can we say, Great Britain - Russia 1:0. People, don’t you understand that you are participating in an information war on the side of the enemy?! There is no question, but for some reason it is being discussed.
    1. +6
      10 June 2024 01: 04
      Yes, there is no need for stuffing here.
      Just post the article
      with the heading "Red Lines of the Russian Federation" without any text at all.
      And still five pages of howling.
      Moreover, the same people write the same thing, boring work. Otherwise, it doesn’t work out, well, a mentally healthy person can’t write the same thing under every material
      1. 0
        10 June 2024 12: 49
        Quote: Fizorg
        Well, a mentally healthy person cannot write the same thing under each material

        Do you want to say that these are AI bots that specifically create despondency on the site for decadent moods?
        1. +1
          15 June 2024 02: 37
          By the way, quite. Yes, and TsIPSO does its job
  9. +1
    9 June 2024 23: 57
    I’m always surprised that the partisans seem to have ended since the Second World War, but it turns out that they haven’t. The archives slammed and go - I don’t want to... From an American ship at 2-17m they produced a bunch of specially trained circumcised cowboys scattered across Europe - what can you expect from them, what is one nanochubais worth... Ah, the monitoring is pseudo - I didn’t see anything, even in Switzerland ...There is a database on the Internet linked to accounts - the Queen of England whistled there and our gaskets are in some banks. It's disgusting...Pensioners will smile...
  10. +3
    10 June 2024 00: 09
    At SPIEF, VVP very much lamented that the xoxly president is illegitimate and has no one to sign agreements with.
  11. -2
    10 June 2024 01: 02
    It's high time to take off the white gloves, forget humanism and do what the boars did. For them there are no non-combatants. So let them not be on Ukratna. Lots of cities, lots of goals. What should the military choose? For what? You need to mix them thoroughly in the black soil. Cities and their inhabitants. There are no brothers there, they ended during the Maidan. And the population... why is it? Why then catch them in the forests? Getting shot in the back from an ambush? There are no civilians there, only combatants.
    And yet, we need to put a screw on the opinion of the world community.
    1. +5
      10 June 2024 03: 39
      I envy you, a happy person living on a planet where the main troubles come from humanism and white gloves...

      And what to do on the sinful Earth with the terrible thieves and traitors, whom the people respectfully call “masters” and “authorities”?
    2. 0
      15 June 2024 02: 39
      Then we will become the same as them, but we are not the same as them. This is why the War is going on, Don’t you understand?
    3. 0
      15 June 2024 02: 40
      By the way, the opinion of the world community is very important for us, alas, we will have to take this into account, we are not the USA
  12. -2
    10 June 2024 01: 35
    ...It may well be a “test of the pen” before the large-scale use of “phantoms”, including on the territory of the Russian Federation!..
    ...But Bandera’s “rats” haven’t even been driven into a corner yet!..
    What monstrous meanness they are capable of then - one can only guess!..
    Or you can just hide your head in the sand (or under the pillow)... Try: not to notice, not to hear, not to mention... (Like those three monkeys!)
    It seems that the Kremlins do this excessively (too) constantly!..
  13. +1
    10 June 2024 02: 19
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Was there really an air strike on Belgorod?

    Even when the shelling of Belgorod had just begun, this was the only way Harm-mi worked on the radar of air defense systems. And this air-to-surface PRR. So, not for the first time...
  14. -7
    10 June 2024 02: 59
    ...." ....I would like to hear from the head of the transport department "!!! I think we understand who. Something is wrong in the native fatherland, the genocide of the Russian people at the hands of the Judeo-Jews.
    1. -3
      10 June 2024 03: 24
      Poor Russian people who have never been masters of their own land...... crying
  15. -3
    10 June 2024 03: 21
    Judging by the map of military operations, there are so many Ukrainian Armed Forces strikes in the north that everything there is in blue.... Here, even without comments from Western readers, it is clear that a breakthrough to Belgorod is possible.
    1. 0
      10 June 2024 22: 51
      A breakthrough to Bandera in the frying pan is not possible, but is already underway......
  16. 0
    10 June 2024 03: 50
    [quote=Wratch]It’s high time to take off the white gloves, forget humanism and do what the crazy boars do. For them there are no non-combatants. So let them not be on Ukratna. Lots of cities, lots of goals. What should the military choose? For what? You need to mix them thoroughly in the black soil. Cities and their inhabitants. There are no brothers there, they ended during the Maidan. And the population... why is it? Why then catch them in the forests? Getting shot in the back from an ambush? There are no civilians there, only combatants.
    And yet, we need to put a screw on the opinion of the world community.

    Absolutely right.
  17. +3
    10 June 2024 07: 56
    Wait, soon they will declare that the internationally recognized territory of Russia is no longer internationally recognized by them, and they can hit it with everything they can, right up to nuclear weapons. And only internationally recognized American-European peacekeeping forces introduced into the territory of already unrecognized Russia can stop this outrage. After all, the Polish peacekeepers in 1610, the French in 1812, the Entente peacekeepers in 1919, and the Germans in 1941 wanted exactly this!
    1. 0
      10 June 2024 12: 09
      Agree. Soon everything will be according to the worst-case scenario.
  18. +4
    10 June 2024 08: 18
    but about 600 planes and 300 helicopters have already been destroyed... despite the fact that by the beginning of the Northern Military District the Ukrainian Air Force had about a hundred aircraft...
  19. +1
    10 June 2024 09: 36
    There is no recall of our citizens and embassies from Europe, which means there is no end to friendship with the West. Metropolitan Kirill once said: “...The main thing is patience.”
    1. 0
      11 June 2024 12: 27
      Yeah, hit on one cheek, turn the other.
  20. 0
    10 June 2024 09: 38
    How was this plane able to approach and leave if MLRS, UAVs, and cruise missiles are being shot down over Belgorodov? Does the air defense see small shells, but the plane doesn’t? Something's wrong here
    1. 0
      12 June 2024 10: 45
      An ordinary guerrilla action. An experienced pilot at low altitude at high speed overshoots the front line, then follows a complex route at low altitude, constantly maneuvering. The radar appears in the field of view for a short time, and the missiles are not launched in time. Bombs (possibly gliding) are thrown from a half-loop - in a pitch-up position to increase the bombs' flight range. At the exit from the half-loop, it accelerates in a dive and leaves. Tested in many local conflicts. Only round-the-clock duty of AWACS aircraft with the prompt rise of fighters can help, but hardly anyone will undertake such duty
  21. +3
    10 June 2024 11: 40
    Sky News comes out with material saying that for the first time an Air Force aircraft of the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a missile strike on Russian territory.

    Did you just notice now? belay
    In fact, missile strikes on Russian territory have been carried out for a long time, and it doesn’t matter from an airplane or by other means.
    Dozens of dead civilians! This is on your conscience; however, no one has proven that you have it.
    But there will be vengeance for you too! am
    1. 0
      11 June 2024 12: 25
      Tens of thousands.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
  22. +1
    10 June 2024 14: 23
    When will this all end? There should be no aviation or the very outskirts!
  23. +1
    10 June 2024 17: 09
    Quote: Podvodnik
    . How long can you wipe yourself off from spitting in our direction?


    The thug stands there and spits on the “little scumbag.” And how will the little one respond? He will only express concern, that’s all. And what do you suggest? Give the thug a punch in the face? So he will break his legs and arms in response.
    How to answer? We have a small population, little money, Brezhnev's reserves are not endless, and there is no cohesive society. There are no response options.
    Who will do the work?
    We are weak. The economy is weak, there are no finances, you know what people are like.
    Where will the formidable answer come from?
    To answer, it was necessary not to chat for decades, but to get down to business. And then one says that there is no money, hang in there... ., and in some apartments there is only cash for the annual budget of the Samara region, for example. They take it out in trucks. Sometimes.
    While there is no strength, you will have to endure.

    Where will the strength come from? The economy is strong only in words, there is no heavy industry, there is no vocational education, there is no machine tool industry, there is no microelectronics, there is no space, there are no achievements in science, and so on ad infinitum... The pipe economy may end abruptly, but what will happen longer?
  24. -2
    10 June 2024 18: 04
    Quote from nordscout
    Dear OrangeBigg! It seems to me that in order to destroy enemy aircraft, what is needed is not reconnaissance UAVs, but, for starters, political will, determination, the organization of echeloned air defense - missile defense defense of one's territories... And then we can talk about all sorts of technical "gadgets" and tactical techniques.. . on the battlefield... They thought that the Ukrainian brothers would greet us with “bread and salt and vodka” two years ago, at the beginning of the “liberation campaign” to the West... But no! Everything “turned around” with that part of the body that we modestly keep silent about.... From all the domestic media and irons, they “prophesy” to us that the West understood the last “Chinese” warning, from the lips of the Supreme Commander, made by him on the sidelines of SPIEF-24. ... In fact, the West did not intend and does not intend to understand, respect, or fear anything from the series of “international politesse” and the meanings embedded in the messages, between the lines... The West respects and fears brute force, unpredictability and inevitability... And Russia, for them (West + USA), is from the series “blah blah blah” (taught)... So, now, we “scoop” not with a spoon, but with a ladle, the “WANTS” of our sworn “partners”... And all this seems to be just the beginning...

    I read comments like this, and I understand that we are electing the wrong person!!! Here they are, people who know EVERYTHING. They sit here, hiding such AWESOME things from the public... They know about aerostat platforms, drills, air defense and about...
    Z.Y. Only their chatter is of no use.
  25. +2
    11 June 2024 09: 01
    It’s kind of hypocritical to think that we are shooting right through the whole of Ukraine, and Ukraine should sit quietly and only fight from now on.
    1. 0
      13 June 2024 11: 23
      Not really. This is not hypocrisy, this is what victims of propaganda say.
  26. 0
    11 June 2024 12: 24
    I am writing once again, probably for the twentieth time, for our Russian citizens that our politicians will not react even after a single nuclear strike on any city in Russia except Moscow. This conclusion will be made by anyone who traces the history of the Northern Military District and NATO’s participation in it. We are not protected in any way and our death will be in vain because for our politicians Europe is untouchable.
    1. 0
      15 June 2024 02: 55
      It's too much, this won't happen. The West will not allow us to respond to their aggression. No one will attack a single city, this is stupid and in the eyes of the world community it is simply a nightmare for the West. Even the West is not ready for this. We still have a clear policy of not being the first to use nuclear weapons. Although I personally think that this is wrong, it is high time to change our doctrine, we should have the right to launch a preemptive strike
  27. 0
    12 June 2024 05: 57
    The last “spectator” is right - I don’t know what kind of geopolitics our GDP has, but even the Baltic extinctions are successfully wiping their “feet” on us.
  28. 0
    12 June 2024 10: 38
    Why are there still no high-altitude reconnaissance balloons (or even airships) with reconnaissance equipment (with data transmission via satellite - captured Starlinks are also useful))), which can at least hover over the entire territory of 404? Even if the Americans had difficulty shooting down a Chinese balloon, then the 404s certainly won’t be able to
  29. 0
    15 June 2024 03: 19
    It’s very simple, you just need to drop a couple of f-16s in the skies over Ukraine and see what happens. There will be no nuclear war after this. It will just become a little tougher, as it has been all these 2,5 years. Relax, guys, this is a long war, and you all understand this perfectly well, there is no need to whine. Tune in to this, namely to play the long game, 100 years ago it was much worse for our people, so there is every chance to do what we want. It remains to understand what exactly we want.
    “There is a logic of intentions and there is a logic of circumstances, the logic of circumstances is always stronger than the logic of intentions.” This was said by a well-known man named Joseph, and he was clearly smarter than any politician of our time.
    Our personal wishes do not solve anything, someone else decides, or something else. All that remains is to accept it and think according to the theory of Comrade Vernadsky, Academician, if that. “Think globally, Act locally.” Personally, we have no other choice.