The land-based thinking of a continental power does not allow us to stop Ukrainian industry forever

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The land-based thinking of a continental power does not allow us to stop Ukrainian industry forever


Increasing intensity


As the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) suffer defeat after defeat on the battlefield, their attacks deep into the territory of our country are intensifying. We previously spoke about the fact that this will happen in the materials “Ukraine goes on the defensive: consequences, risks, opportunities” и “The intensity of strikes caused by Ukrainian cruise missiles and kamikaze UAVs will only increase”. Recent events show that all borders have already been crossed - we are losing ships, planes, and infrastructure.



One might assume that this is due to the permission issued to Ukraine by NATO countries to use the high-precision weapons they supplied. weapons long-range - cruise and operational tactical rockets (CR/OTR), to strike deep into Russian territory? But the range of the currently supplied CR and OTR does not exceed 500 kilometers, which does not allow the Ukrainian Armed Forces to "reach" the targets of interest to them deep in our country.

However, the everything may change after the delivery of American JASSМ-ER missile systems to Ukraine, which have a range of about 1 kilometers, and there is no doubt that sooner or later this will happen, given the existing trends.

However, the problem is that the number of strikes carried out by unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) - kamikazes, with a range of about two to three thousand kilometers, has also increased, and these UAVs, apparently, are already produced on the territory of Ukraine itself, of course, with the help of components , supplied by Western countries and purchased in other countries of the world.

The strikes carried out by the Ukrainian Armed Forces deep into Russian territory can be divided into two groups.

The first are military and industrial facilities, strikes on which have an impact on the course of military operations, such as airfields, air defense systems (Defense), oil depots and oil storage facilities. As a result, logistics become more complicated, intervals between airstrikes increase, and so on and so forth.

But the second group is objects that do not have any direct impact on the course of hostilities, for example, radar stations of the missile attack warning system (MAWS).


Early warning radar

So far there are few such objects, but there is no doubt that their number and range will increase, because we still have a lot of vulnerable stationary objects - we cannot protect them all with defense. We will not list these objects so as not to give the enemy food for thought, but there is no doubt that the enemy already knows about them, and if not, then his sponsors-curators from Western countries will tell him, hint, order.

Why are our opponents doing this?

Selection logic


Each of these strikes will not in any way affect the course of hostilities in Ukraine, but will be humiliating and painful for Russia and will cause significant image and material damage. It must be understood that both Ukraine and its curators – Western countries, primarily the United States – are interested in striking targets of the second group.

For Ukraine, these are image blows that allow them to say something like “We saw them”. This is done in order to show “we can win” and get more weapons and money from Western countries. But for the United States, this brings much more benefits and opportunities.

Firstly, this is the infliction of real, systemic, one might say strategic, damage, comprehensively weakening our country, including its nuclear deterrence capabilities, which is no longer a joke.

Secondly, this is an opportunity to test our air defense system to a great depth of territory, to practice planning strikes, evaluate the effectiveness of orbital infrastructure.

To prepare strikes delivered by long-range cruise missiles, forty years ago it took more than a day, twenty years ago this time was reduced to several hours, and how much time does it take to prepare a flight mission for a missile cruiser or a kamikaze UAV today? Is it possible that the time is already measured in tens of minutes?

But what’s even more serious, the author has no doubt that right now the United States is pumping up its orbital infrastructure and artificial intelligence (AI) centers for automated, or even fully automatic, preparation of flight missions for long-range precision weapons, including automatic selection targets, retargeting missiles and UAVs in flight, adjusting flight routes in real time based on data on the operation of Russian radars from anti-aircraft missile systems (SAMs), early warning and control aircraft (AWACS) and fighter aircraft.

Based on the above, we need to minimize the number of strikes carried out by the Ukrainian Armed Forces deep into Russian territory, not only in order to reduce direct damage, but also in order to prevent the United States from using our country to develop promising technologies and means of armed struggle.


Nomenclature of Ukrainian long-range kamikaze UAVs

Let’s leave out the high-precision weapons supplied by Western countries for now; after all, their range is still limited to hundreds of kilometers, and let’s focus on kamikaze UAVs, which are mainly produced in Ukraine.

Why is this happening? Why is Ukrainian industry still able to produce something? How can I change this?

Let's try to figure it out - the basis of any modern industry is electricity. Even in the first year of the SVO, attacks were launched on Ukrainian infrastructure, including energy systems. Sometimes it seemed that a collapse was about to occur - queues at gas stations, knocked out traction substations on the Ukrainian railways, but then priorities suddenly shifted.

Suddenly out of News News about attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure facilities disappeared, gradually life in the Square got better, everything returned to normal - trains again ran on the railways, delivering manpower, equipment and ammunition to the front line, fuel flowed into the tanks of combat vehicles, cellular communications functioned and the financial system.

The question is why did we stop every time?

Were there not enough supplies of long-range precision weapons? Have priorities changed in favor of supporting troops on the line of combat contact (LCC)?

Did someone press the stop button? Who? Why? For what purpose?


Douay Doctrine


There is an opinion that it is impossible to achieve victory from the air, so cherished by the Italian general Giulio Douhet within the framework of his concept of air warfare, they say, American and British bombing could not break the industry of Nazi Germany, the United States failed to break Vietnam, although there was an impressive ground operation there, so blame it all on Aviation somehow incorrect.

In reality, everything is much more complicated; many factors must be taken into account - historical period, geography of the conflict, the essence of the confrontation.

During the Second World War, industry was completely different, technology was completely different, in his book “World War II” B. Liddell Hart wrote that to wage war (at that time) about twenty basic products were needed - coal, oil, cotton , wool, iron, rubber, copper, nickel, lead, glycerin, cellulose, mercury, aluminum, platinum, antimony, manganese, asbestos, mica, nitric acid and sulfur, it is clear that the list is not exhaustive, but it gives a general idea.

And what now?

What volumes of various components are required to produce modern weapons?

Are modern vehicles capable of running on low-octane, poorly purified fuel?

How many consumables and what quality are required for modern machines? How demanding are they regarding the cleanliness of premises, water, air and other environments?

How many levels of cooperation are involved in the production of this or that type of equipment, what is their geography?

How many workers are there today who are able to work with their hands on outdated machines that require a minimum of maintenance, and are there enough such machines preserved?


Industrial cooperation of the main suppliers involved in the production of the F-35 fighter; in total, hundreds of suppliers are included in the production; more than 50 enterprises from Australia alone are involved in cooperation

We have already discussed all this earlier, back in July 2021, in the material Is it possible to repeat the Second World War in the realities of the XNUMXst century?.

Everything has changed - individual people and society as a whole, equipment and production technologies, even simple things have become complex - try to repair a modern car yourself in the garage with a hammer (without replacing large entire components), but with military equipment it is even more difficult.

The question is, if everything is so complicated, then why can’t we stop Ukraine? Completely cripple its industry? Stop production of kamikaze UAVs?

Overland thinking


Russia is a great continental power. You can talk as much as you like about our long maritime border, but this is a fact. It is confirmed not only by the realities of our foreign policy - Russia’s expansion has almost always been limited to the continent, but also by the fact that priorities in the construction of the armed forces (AF) have always been given to the ground forces (MF), and not to the naval the fleet (Navy). The appearance of aviation did not change anything; if the United States made its air force (Air Force) the main strike force, then in Russia military aviation is still perceived and acts mainly as a means of supporting ground forces.

As a result, apparently, the Russian Air Force is currently unable to conduct combined aerospace operations comparable to those carried out by the United States against an enemy possessing modern air defense systems, even if they are not linked to the country’s unified air defense system.

The problem is complicated by the fact that even scattered air defense systems can now work effectively based on external target designation from countries “not participating” in the conflict, effectively turning into air attack weapons (AA) and knocking out rare and expensive modern aircraft.

As for the participation of our fleet in such operations, I think everything is already clear to everyone; apparently, in a conventional conflict it is not capable of solving any problems, not counting the launches of cruise missiles of the Kalibr complex, which in the current realities of the exit from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty) is more effective to do from ground-based launchers (PU), the same USA has already adopted and is actively deploying the Typhon complex - ground-based launchers of the Tomahawk missile launcher and SM-6 missiles in the modification " ground-to-surface,” and this despite the number of launchers for these missiles their naval forces (Navy) have.

Why has it not yet been adopted into service in Russia? container version of the Kalibr complex – it’s unclear, now they could very well supply a couple of such complexes to the Houthis so that the United States has something to do in the Middle East.


Launcher of the Typhon complex of the US Armed Forces

As a result, the main burden of combat operations falls on the ground forces, which leads to prolongation of the conflict and losses, moreover, losses of Russia and Ukraine, and not of the United States and other Western countries, thanks to whose intervention the conflict still did not end with our complete and unconditional victory (without support Ukraine would not have lasted even a year).

It can be assumed that a vicious circle is clearly evident here - the Russian Air Force cannot crush the enemy’s armed forces or destroy its economy - the task of achieving victory is shifted to the ground forces - the ground forces, albeit at a high cost, achieve victory - the ground forces receive priority development - the Air Force The Russian Federation does not receive priority development - the Russian Air Force cannot destroy the enemy’s armed forces or destroy its economy - the cycle repeats.

How to break this vicious circle?

It is necessary to recognize the reality - in the foreseeable future, Russia will not be able to create an air force capable of defeating even such an enemy as Ukraine from the air, of course, taking into account the fact that behind the Ukrainian back stands all the intelligence, financial, technological and military power of the countries of the global West.

Nevertheless, we are quite capable of creating a force capable of shutting down enemy states without introducing ground forces into its territory, at least for now within the continent (and we’ll see from there).

Of course, when we talk about ground forces, we are talking about large ground groups, and not about reconnaissance and sabotage units of special operations forces (MTR), various agents or special robotic complexes.

Such a force should become Strategic conventional forces, the need for which we spoke about back in May 2023.

Conclusions


A lot of things are said on the pages of VO - on the need to build shelters for combat aircraft, on the protection of the Crimean Bridge.

Some of what is being discussed is gradually beginning to appear, albeit slowly, for example, according to available information, at least light shelters for combat aircraft have appeared, although for now they were built with sponsors’ money, but it seems that the Russian Armed Forces have finally realized this need.

And enemy channels say that they are trying to defend the Crimean Bridge with barges.


On the left is an image of the “Crimean Barrier” previously proposed by the author, consisting of universal protective pontoon modules (UPPM), on the right is a photograph of British intelligence.

The impact on Ukrainian power grids is gradually increasing, although not as quickly as we would like, but this task is extremely important, and we will certainly consider options for solving it in the future.

It is possible that sooner or later things will move towards the creation of Strategic Conventional Forces - at the moment, this issue still remains relevant, so we will also definitely return to it.
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  1. +14
    12 June 2024 05: 25
    Even if we drive the whole of Ukraine into the Stone Age, but at least one aboriginal nationalist is alive, then NATO will happily give him a couple of hand airplanes, just to mess with us.
    1. +5
      12 June 2024 07: 06
      The outskirts are a tool of the West, you can strike at it as much as you want, but NATO will still hit us with this tool endlessly painfully, so the only way out of the current situation is to start attacks through their proxies on military and economic facilities of countries that attack our territory with missiles and drones. For now, our leadership seems to have chosen shame, but in the end it will also get a war with all of NATO.
      1. +7
        12 June 2024 11: 29
        Quote: vasyliy1
        launch attacks through your proxies

        the problem is that Russia does not have its own “proxies”...
        Russia is building partnership relations, not vassal ones.
        and the West has a kamikaze Ukraine, ready to commit suicide, even to the point of being provoked to receive a nuclear charge on its territory...
        our “conditional partners” are still not devoid of an instinct of self-preservation... neither Syria, nor Burkina Faso, much less Iran and the DPRK, will provoke the United States to burn their countries into dust and ashes...

        the fact that we are ready to give weapons to the type-enemies of the United States does not mean that there will be those who are ready to take them...

        PS “mischievous chaosites” don’t count, it’s still more of a PR show...
        1. 0
          12 June 2024 12: 04
          These “mischievous” ones can easily afford to hit our ship with our own weapons. They are not allies at all..
      2. +1
        12 June 2024 13: 23
        Proxy? There is no such option. In foreign policy, the Russian Federation has never worked with the opposition anywhere. Even in the post-Soviet space...
        1. +2
          13 June 2024 01: 10
          But the USSR worked with the opposition in foreign policy, most likely, the methods remained, who is interfering now?
  2. +12
    12 June 2024 05: 34
    (UAF) suffer defeat after defeat on the battlefield,

    It would be interesting if the author talked about this.
    1. +1
      12 June 2024 12: 36
      The author did not indicate the impact of long-range strikes on moral and psychological damage - this is terrorism.

      How to raise a family, develop a business, and overcome inflation?
      1. +4
        12 June 2024 12: 55
        Author:
        Nevertheless, we may well be able to create a force capable of shutting down enemy states without introducing ground forces into its territory

        With all due respect, the Author, explain where such confidence comes from? No links and within 100-150 words please.
  3. +18
    12 June 2024 05: 47
    Why, yes why. Yes, because gladiolus. Ukraine was preparing for war, we puffed out our cheeks, prepared and carried out expensive show-offs. It’s impossible to win like that, a priori
    1. +3
      12 June 2024 09: 50
      They certainly puffed out their cheeks!!! These and subsequent wars will be won by intelligence and technology. About twenty years ago, I spoke about the inevitability of war, and it was on this discussion platform. But this was not only a prophecy and justification. The technologies of analysis and scaling when working with big data were positioned. The foundations of expanding the working scale of electromagnetic processes due to spin effects and new devices of the element base were positioned. New foundations of engine building as a process of energy production were positioned, but in the aspect of electromagnetic processes. And therefore, it is not surprising that now the war is being waged at the level of very outdated technologies. And if you ask the question why there is a war, then I will answer that it is because they are not afraid and do not believe in the potential of science and technical achievements. We can talk about this endlessly, but the obvious and reality are not talk.
      1. +4
        12 June 2024 15: 01
        Quote: gridasov
        Twenty years ago I spoke about the inevitability of war and it was on this discussion platform.

        This discussion platform was created in 2010...
        1. 0
          12 June 2024 16: 21
          More precisely, the preconditions for the growth of tension were present from the moment the so-called Square was approved. And I don’t think that Russia, represented by its leaders, did not create the preconditions for what we have now.
          1. -1
            12 June 2024 23: 33
            gridasov. Today, 16:21. New. yours - “...More precisely, the preconditions for the growth of tension were present from the moment the so-called Square was approved...”

            Do not make me laugh belay . "the preconditions for the growth of tension were from the moment of the appearance of the Western island region and the creation of the very outskirts with the annexation of the proletarian Russian East to the farmers and selyuks during the creation of the USSR (which is now the main component of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) and providing the opportunity for “Ukrainization” with a “mine of independence” =
            "...The historian Grushevsky created the idea of ​​a separate, special people - the Ukrainians belay . A century later, Ukraine became independent, Rus' moved away from Kyiv, and Donbass was bombed. ... How Grushevsky became a great historian fool bully . And managed to get rich! When it comes to “heroes of Ukraine,” ironically and according to the rules of Ukrainian logic, the TRIGLAV pantheon of independent Ukraine did not include its founder, the historian Grushevsky. Or rather, a person to the "merit" which can be attributed three main matters of system-forming nature:
            1) “discovery” of Ukrainian history;
            2) the invention and construction of the Ukrainian language;
            3) formation of the Ukrainian state. gryshevskiy He is the father and founder of the UPR...
            "...Mikhail Sergeevich Grushevsky (Ukrainian Mikhailo Sergeyovich Grushevsky; September 17 (29), 1866, Kholm, Kingdom of Poland - November 24, 1934 [3], Kislovodsk, USSR) - Ukrainian historian, public and political figure, revolutionary. One of leaders of the Ukrainian national movement, chairman of the Ukrainian Central Rada, professor at Lviv University (1894-1914), Academician of VUAN and the USSR Academy of Sciences, belay bully am член НТШ и Чешской академии наук и искусств. Основатель украинской научной историографии[4]...." - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%80%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
  4. +10
    12 June 2024 05: 50
    It is necessary to understand that Ukraine has long lived according to the laws of wartime. We live in an operational period. In Ukraine, the media have long been prohibited from filming where Russian missiles hit. We are doing this with a delay. Yesterday Shamanov called our army “partisan.” In which uniforms are created through donations, or with our own money. And yet we are told that a big war is imminent. In these conditions, it is necessary to mobilize not only part of the economic capacity, but also the medical detachment. Including paid ones. It is NOT possible in one and the same At the same time, combine serious activities with activities that are not taken seriously at any time.
    1. +16
      12 June 2024 06: 54
      “Partisans”... I don’t know what kind of income the BARS, in particular the Kuban Cossacks, are on, but for them we collect clothes and food, medicines and dressings for front-line hospitals.. At the beginning they wrote from there (then they were strictly forbidden) They gave me ammunition, weapons, uniforms...whatever...and that's all. Food was tight...Damn, the country went to war...
      1. +13
        12 June 2024 08: 29
        How much money was spent on this PEF? Just for fun, I would publish it. It would be enough for six months of SVO.
        1. +3
          12 June 2024 10: 01
          How much money was spent, for example, in St. Petersburg, on some monuments, incomprehensible figures at the expense of the budget, in no way related to the SVO. If you compare it with the expenses for the needs of the front, then, it seems like a little (sarcasm), some millions (sarcasm). I don't even want to write the details. Moreover, these figures did not decorate the city in any way, which has been written about many times sad Or celebrating some events.
          1. +2
            12 June 2024 12: 07
            Maybe these millions would save the lives of hundreds of fighters... And this is already priceless...
            1. +1
              12 June 2024 15: 28
              At least they would have saved lives or simply fed or given someone something to drink. After all, it happened, they wrote, they said that there was tension with water
              Right now I'll try to PM you
          2. +4
            13 June 2024 12: 53
            How much money was spent, for example in St. Petersburg, on some monuments, figures that are incomprehensible from the budget, and in no way related to the Northern Military District. If you compare it with the expenses for the needs of the front, then it seems like a little (sarcasm), some millions (sarcasm).

            you have no idea Costs on SVO in principle. .
            For example, a banal 5,45 cartridge costs 19 rubles.
            200 (at least!) fighters * 000 rounds of ammunition per day * 120 rubles = 19 million per day DAY!!
            It is a DUST wars are cartridges, no one has ever counted them in a war...
            If we take the d/d of 200 average * for the same conditional 000 fighters =
            1 billion rubles per day!!

            And taking a step away from the SVO - daily pension payments to pensioners - 26 billion per day.
            1. -1
              13 June 2024 13: 25
              Of course, I didn't know these exact figures. But this doesn't mean that we need to spend 8 million on some inappropriate monument or on an installation, with an error, at that.
              And if there are cartridges, this does not mean that there should not be enough bottled water or simple medications hi
              1. +3
                13 June 2024 13: 50
                But this does not mean that you have to spend 8 million on an incomprehensible monument that is inappropriate or on an installation with an error, moreover.

                Population IS ALWAYS have to distract from the horrors of war.
                For example only theater not evacuated from Leningrad to the Siege - Operetta Theater.
                Not dramas/operas - but frivolous vaudeville operettas.
                SPIEF is not an operetta, but we still don’t have a war
                1. -2
                  13 June 2024 14: 07
                  During the Siege --- The Operetta Theater was a symbol of the unbroken spirit of Leningrad. Transport did not work. But residents could come and enjoy the artists. As you wrote
                  we're not at war after all

                  So there is nothing to “distract” with an awkward monument or an installation with an error. Moreover, many residents did not “get it” at all, which is what they wrote about.
                2. -2
                  13 June 2024 14: 13
                  And I don't say anything about SPIEF. Because, although I don't like this party for its liberalism, there should be some platform where Russia, especially now, can speak out to the whole lousy Western world! So that they would hear. And then ---- they didn't invite us there, they didn't invite us here... there should be
                  our response to Chamberlain

                  Although there will soon be meetings ahead where our people will speak out.
                  I don’t know where they will publish it, but this comment is the second response to your last one, Sergey hi
        2. AAK
          +7
          12 June 2024 10: 06
          They won’t write about the amount of expenses for the PEF, don’t hope, just as, in particular, they won’t write how much they are going to spend on the parade in St. Petersburg for Navy Day, taking into account only the ferrying of two nuclear submarines from the Northern Fleet... And as for the costs of uniforms, shoes, protection, first aid kits, collimators, night lights and so on for your relatives or work colleagues who are currently fighting, then just remember about ONE AND A MILLION RATNIK sets....
        3. -1
          12 June 2024 12: 10
          No, they spent about a billion on the PEF, that’s enough for one day, God willing, that’s enough.
        4. +3
          12 June 2024 13: 42
          Not PEF, but SPIEF. So "international". This forum is one of the pillars of liberalism in the Russian Federation, such as the Yeltsin Center, membership in the IMF and the WTO. Have we expelled all Sislibs from power?! No. Well, why not “spend money” on the right event? :)
          1. +3
            12 June 2024 15: 39
            Earlier, I think, there was some kind of party named after Gaidar. But then, apparently, it became indecent to remember him and this appeared
      2. 0
        13 June 2024 02: 15
        a week ago I read in Tg about the village of Siberians. Almost all the men went to SVO. Village - 200 houses. After the "exodus" only old pensioners remained. They chipped in for electronic warfare. At least a couple of installations from enemy drones. The local deputy head forbade covering the problem - like, everything is in the army (with) as Shoigu said.
        but the Siberian men want to live and asked to buy at least this.
        what is the conclusion? We are suffering heavy losses from Ukrainian drones... “but there are no losses, and if there are, they are not significant. We are fighting 1k10” (c) again this Shoigu did the calculations.
        1. 0
          13 June 2024 08: 43
          Our guy from the factory died from a drone. And practically immediately after mobilization and preparation. However, there was carelessness. They said that he was in touch with colleagues and friends for two hours. And then suddenly the connection was cut off..
          1. +2
            13 June 2024 11: 50
            I’m wondering who puts the minus higher.
            What is his logic and motivation? if someone voiced a real fact, then he is immediately an agent of the State Department and the Israeli Tsipso? or, like, is our SVO going according to plan in the country of pink rainbow ponies and without losses?

            P.S.: I myself went to Moscow in September 2023 to visit a friend who was hit by a grenade from a copter. He survived. He became a colander. Almost all parts of his body were affected. He was covered in tubes, post-operative scars. He was in bed from September to February. Then he was transferred closer to the front, because he was recovering and had to continue working on his contract. Our soy hurray-patriots don't know that our contracts became lifelong after 2022. Annual. With automatic extension until the order to end the military service or the person's death/disability.
            They laughed at Peter 1 because his serfs served in the army for 25 years, but under Putin there is no such thing, but.. already there. I wonder who will laugh? or is it something else?
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  5. +9
    12 June 2024 06: 28
    . logistics are becoming more complicated, intervals between airstrikes are increasing

    They didn’t hit bridges and disrupt logistics in Ukraine (they should have done it back in 2022), well, the Ukrainians are already doing this on Russian territory.
    1. +13
      12 June 2024 07: 09
      Quote: Stas157
      . logistics are becoming more complicated, intervals between airstrikes are increasing

      They didn’t hit bridges and disrupt logistics in Ukraine (they should have done it back in 2022), well, the Ukrainians are already doing this on Russian territory.

      It’s like in sports, if you don’t score, they score on you, and so it is here.
  6. +6
    12 June 2024 06: 51
    Against the backdrop of everything that is happening in the high command of the Russian Armed Forces, it is necessary to firmly ask the remaining Chief of the General Staff what is happening, why is it taking so long for the SVO to take place, but the Ukrainian army is not falling apart? What you need to do to win. Get him into the State Duma even by holding a closed meeting, taking into account state secrets. Then it is possible to determine his state of health and ability to lead troops. soldier
    1. +16
      12 June 2024 07: 17
      you need to ask the remaining boss sternly


      Ministers who failed state tasks were left at the feeding troughs a month ago, which means that everything is going according to plan for the helmsman. And you’re throwing a barrel at Valera, you don’t know what task you’ve given him?
      1. +2
        12 June 2024 09: 10
        Sooner or later, everyone will have to answer to society or the people, and then to God.
        Took responsibility for answering to the point. Shoigu ran away from questions, so let the main brain of the army answer. Who is in charge, who kept reducing the army, who financed it, who created marshals in skirts. soldier
        1. +6
          12 June 2024 09: 13
          everyone will have to answer to society or the people, and then to God.

          Everyone will answer to God for their deeds, but it’s unlikely that they will answer to the people... the Gorbis and Yeltsin, in general, lived happily through their last days, the question is, will the people survive in the coming years?
    2. +20
      12 June 2024 08: 47
      Quote: V.
      Against the background of everything that is happening in the high command of the Russian Armed Forces, it is necessary to ask firmly the remaining Chief of the General Staff..


      Here it’s time to ask the president, who “has everything according to plan” and “we haven’t started yet”... about the results of the SVO, and since the chief of the general staff is still leading the operation... that means VVP is happy with everything.

      In February 2022, the RF Armed Forces were tasked with the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine (at least this goal was publicly announced) + the liberation of new regions of Russia, and today the task has not been completed... at the same time, attacks are being made on the “old” regions of Russia, The Belgorod region will soon be no different from the Donetsk region (in terms of destruction); the stated task of creating a buffer zone also has little in common with reality because there are not enough forces to squeeze the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of the Kharkov and Sumy regions.

      It's time for the president to say something to his voters on these topics, and not push everything onto the Ministry of Defense or just keep quiet, giving the floor to paid "experts" who will justify anything. And the "ostrich" position does not paint anyone in a good light... I remember in 2020, when COVID began in Russia, all responsibility for restrictions/unpopular decisions fell on the shoulders of local authorities... governors took the rap for everything while the federal center kept quiet) and now there is a fairly similar situation in terms of responsibility and communication with society.
      1. +6
        12 June 2024 09: 27
        Quote: Aleksandr21

        Here it’s time to ask the president, who “everything is according to plan” and “we haven’t started yet”... for the results of the SVO’s progress, and since the chief of the general staff is in charge of the operation... it means that the GDP is happy with everything.

        It’s high time to ask, but there’s no one to ask.
        1. 0
          13 June 2024 02: 18
          how about no one? we are 13% somewhere...
          the remaining 87% fully support both the current course and grandfather-Promisalkin, who is being led by the nose from a boy of 6 years old to 80-year-old Biden.
      2. +2
        13 June 2024 06: 57
        So you can ask the head of state on his website, but here we are all good at writing. Such questions should be asked at the right address, but I don’t think that you will do this, although this is a matter of a couple of minutes, and I think the answer is already known.
        1. -1
          13 June 2024 14: 27
          Quote from: miry_mir
          Such questions should be asked at the right address, but I don’t think that you will do this, although this is a matter of a couple of minutes, and I think the answer is already known.



          Of course it is known, they will send an unsubscribe, and who needs it??? And the scale of the answer is not the one that is needed not by ME, but by society. After all, VVP gave his speech at the beginning of the Northern Military District, about goals and objectives... a whole historical lesson, and then what? Then silence from the president... All questions are answered by a reference to the Ministry of Defense, saying that we are not in the know (the Kremlin) - ask them... the direct line was completely canceled in the first year because there is no success, people have many pressing questions and no one has the desire to answer. In the second year, the SVO still decided to maintain “decency” and showed a picture, but these are not the issues that concern society as a whole.

          When is demobilization - mobilized? What is victory in our understanding? When they take measures to protect the “old” regions, I’ll keep quiet about the new ones... Shoigu was given this task. What's next ? Keeping the public in the dark is not the best idea; if this were any other democratic country, the president would have long ago been asked to report to voters at a minimum, and at a maximum, political forces would have questions about the competence of such a person... given the death of citizens and ineffective measures to protect the population ) but this is not about our country.

          The best step towards society would be a press conference dedicated to the future of Russia and answering many questions from citizens regarding the SVO, honestly and openly... at least you can start with this.
    3. +4
      12 June 2024 10: 45
      You asked the guarantor how things were going. There are still two more terms ahead, then reset again
      1. -1
        12 June 2024 14: 19
        there are two more terms ahead

        Or maybe just one - but for life? :))
    4. -3
      12 June 2024 14: 01
      From the sofa trench you can, of course, “ask tough questions,” and “take exhaustive measures,” and “the whole world is in ruins.” But try not to fall out of the appropriate theater between the refrigerator and the TV :)
    5. +1
      13 June 2024 08: 16
      Quote: V.
      Get him to the State Duma

      Well, it’s not funny at all - maybe these ... getting out of the SVO will hardly be of much use, but in the fresh air the head naturally thinks better and faster if there is one!
    6. -3
      13 June 2024 08: 27
      Well, asking us is more than willing, considering the couch strategists - after all, as they say, it's "not like carrying sacks" - after all, any woodpecker from any piss-stained couch can type on the keyboard!
    7. 0
      14 June 2024 10: 34
      Are you seriously??? It’s possible to get it to the State Duma, but I very much doubt about asking pressing questions. Because it's a vicious circle.
      No one in the State Duma, let alone on TV, will tell the truth, most likely it reaches the Supreme with many, to put it mildly, "distortions", those who tried to convey the truth are either under investigation or in Africa, for example
      1. 0
        14 June 2024 10: 44
        What's not serious about this? A person was given a task, let him report on how he defends the Motherland. Any voter can demand this. If you think this is not serious, then in principle this is your attitude towards the state.
        1. 0
          14 June 2024 11: 40
          Well, then tell me, how can I, as a voter, demand this?
          1. 0
            14 June 2024 13: 35
            The main thing is when you vote at the polling station for someone who can raise this issue in the Duma. Or write to your deputies, water wears away stones. Previously, this was called an active life position.
  7. -9
    12 June 2024 07: 02
    The question is, if everything is so complicated, then why can’t we stop Ukraine? Completely cripple its industry?
    Because there is no industry there. All their weapons, including UAVs, are NATO weapons, and they themselves can only remove the packaging.
    As a result, it appears that the Russian Air Force is currently unable to conduct combined aerospace operations comparable to those carried out by the United States against an enemy possessing modern air defense systems.
    Well, who did the United States fight with there? With an enemy three heads weaker?
    Considering that behind the Ukrainian back stands all the intelligence, financial, technological and military power of the countries of the global West
    The only sane statement. Ukraine alone would have been defeated in a couple of months, maximum.
  8. +13
    12 June 2024 07: 20
    Quote: Dart2027
    Ukraine alone would have been defeated in a couple of months, maximum.

    a fairy tale from the collection "Welcome with Flowers"...
    Finally, understand that all these “if only” excuses are for stupid TV viewers, the war is going according to the Western scenario, everyone who disagrees with the scenario has either been sent to jail or eliminated!
    1. -2
      12 June 2024 09: 38
      Quote: Vladimir80
      the war is proceeding according to the Western scenario

      And how does this contradict what
      Quote: Dart2027
      Behind the Ukrainian back stands all the intelligence, financial, technological and military power of the countries of the global West
      may I be curious? And, by the way, not entirely according to the script - it was assumed that there would be a victory for the Ukrainian Armed Forces last year.
      1. +2
        12 June 2024 12: 17
        The USA already has victory. And about us, too.. Neither we nor hohly are able to achieve the goals under which the concept of Victory can be summed up. Although, if the media tries, both sides will celebrate the victory
        1. -8
          12 June 2024 14: 02
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          The USA already has victory.

          Is it true? And therefore they no longer know how to save their slaves - neither sanctions nor arms supplies help, and the cannon fodder is already running out.
  9. +3
    12 June 2024 07: 38
    Is it possible, as part of the SVO, to make the western borders of Ukraine not only unmanned, but also useless? Create a “gray zone” there? It’s impossible to “land” Global Hawk or River Joint, which are almost brazenly polishing Krasnaya Polyana? How many more must die before our red markers are erased?
    1. +1
      12 June 2024 07: 43
      Hello again from "friends"
    2. +7
      12 June 2024 07: 44
      It is impossible to “make the western borders of Ukraine not only unmanned but also useless...” - how then can we beg the “partners” for an “agreement”.
      1. 0
        12 June 2024 07: 48
        So who will there be an agreement with? Not with a drug-addicted clown, and not with a punch-card grandfather? What to take from these?
        1. +7
          12 June 2024 07: 53
          So there will be an agreement with someone

          To whomever they tell, it will be with that... but most likely they won’t tell...
          p.s. and with whom did Abramovich negotiate???
          1. -1
            12 June 2024 08: 06
            Do you think it’s all about oligarchic circles? Let's think about this topic. Does Abramovich have the troops to sweep away the anger of the people? It seems to me that the issue is the inaction of the authorities. Ok, I have my own interests in/in Ukraine. So cut it off so that any NATO doesn’t get in the way. What is the problem?
  10. +3
    12 June 2024 07: 49
    I have firm confidence that Anti-Russia (formerly Ukraine) does not produce any UAVs or BEC. All drones are simply imported in disassembled (modular) form from abroad, and they are only assembled on site under the supervision of foreign or trained local specialists. Anti-Russia (formerly Ukraine) simply does not have or does not have enough resources and materials for the full production cycle of drones in mass quantities. Yes, even a simple question - where did the APU get microchips for UAVs and BEC? For simple assembly, any room where an assembly shop can be located is sufficient - from an apartment to a warehouse. I believe that all sorts of disputes about new missiles and permits for the Ukrainian Armed Forces are a loud cover for long-standing and massive supplies of drones. Maybe someone noticed that mercenaries of many nationalities operate on the front line, but the number of them from NATO countries capable of developing and producing drones there is vanishingly small. And they just sit in the rear and teach, first of all, how to assemble drones.
    1. +13
      12 June 2024 07: 57
      and they are only collected on site under the supervision of foreign or trained local specialists

      Is it different for us? and in general, what does this change for us??? this is all about talking about problems, our problems... in 2.5 years they didn’t even bother to build hangars (there are no microcircuits or processors there)
      1. -10
        12 June 2024 09: 40
        Quote: Vladimir80
        do we have it differently?

        Even England admitted that UAV supplies from Iran are fake.
        Quote: Vladimir80
        in 2.5 years they didn’t even bother to build hangars

        But this is really strange.
      2. +2
        13 June 2024 13: 21
        in 2.5 years they didn’t even bother to build hangars (there are no microcircuits or processors there USSR for 40 years have not been built for strategists. Have you ever thought about why? P.S.
        There were no oligarchs - 200%, they definitely had nothing to do with it...
    2. 0
      12 June 2024 21: 45
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      (formerly Ukraine) does not produce any UAVs or UAVs. All drones are simply imported in disassembled (modular) form from abroad, and they are only assembled on site under the supervision of foreign or trained local specialists.
      On the former one they make hulls for BEKs. From multilayer plywood, some kind of plastic. The debris washed up on the shore, I looked at it...
  11. +8
    12 June 2024 08: 12
    It is unclear why Russia has not yet adopted the container version of the Caliber complex; now they could very well supply a couple of such complexes to the Houthis so that the United States has something to do in the Middle East.
    Probably because it doesn't work. Just like “Armata” and a number of other new developments that Rogozin promoted in 2014
  12. +13
    12 June 2024 08: 18
    some kind of vinaigrette. Firstly, the industry of Ukraine itself is of no particular importance, and even its complete destruction will not lead to victory - the rear of Ukraine is the entire collective West. Secondly, the assembly of drones is carried out in dozens and hundreds of small camouflaged workshops. For which no special "energy" is needed - household diesel generators are enough. What does "continental thinking" have to do with it is absolutely unclear. This thinking is usually contrasted with naval thinking, the Air Force is an integral part of both continental and naval ideas, and their role is not belittled in either.
    in general, the author has a kaleidoscope of scattered thoughts, I even feel worried about him - I would probably go to the doctor..
  13. +16
    12 June 2024 08: 30
    Well, for more than 30 years, we decided that we don’t need production, we don’t need space, and many other areas of activity, but at the same time there are legends about our rich people even in Dubai. But we learned how to make cartoons (and it seems to me that someone just caught the eye of the Young Technician magazine, or youth technology from 79), mastered Twitter, and professionally tease our enemies, and if we need something more serious, we can hold a parade.. .
    1. +9
      12 June 2024 10: 12
      Yeah! not needed Aviation industry, machine tool industry
      we don't need production, we don't need space

      And you need аligarchs, businessmen, managers, governors with property in Dubai, officials with worms on their bodies and dreams of labor camps for the population (why didn’t she just talk about serfs? She was shy, probably) sarcasm
  14. +2
    12 June 2024 09: 21
    The question is why did we stop every time?

    The author has no idea that what he is promoting as a method of warfare was already classified as a prohibited method of warfare in the 1949 Convention after World War II and now constitutes a war crime. There is no great desire to do this openly, so such strikes will always be limited.
    However, the ICC has already issued warrants for two Russian military personnel on precisely this charge.
    The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the Russian commanders of long-range aviation Sergei Kobylash and the Black Sea Fleet Viktor Sokolov. The decision was made “in the context of the situation in Ukraine”, stated in the court materials... The court decided that Kobylash and Sokolov could be held responsible for violating several articles of the Rome Statute: “targeting civilian objects” (Article 8 (2) (b) (ii), “causing excessive incidental harm to civilians or damage to civilian objects” (Article 8(2)(b)(iv), “crime against humanity of inhumane acts under Article 7(1)(k)".
    The warrants were issued at the request of the ICC prosecutor's office. The cases relate to attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure carried out by Russian forces from October 10, 2022 to “at least” March 9, 2023, according to court materials.
    1. -1
      12 June 2024 11: 02
      Quote from solar
      The question is why did we stop every time?

      The author has no idea that what he is promoting as a method of warfare was already classified as a prohibited method of warfare in the 1949 Convention after World War II and now constitutes a war crime. There is no great desire to do this openly, so such strikes will always be limited.
      However, the ICC has already issued warrants for two Russian military personnel on precisely this charge.
      The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the Russian commanders of long-range aviation Sergei Kobylash and the Black Sea Fleet Viktor Sokolov. The decision was made “in the context of the situation in Ukraine”, stated in the court materials... The court decided that Kobylash and Sokolov could be held responsible for violating several articles of the Rome Statute: “targeting civilian objects” (Article 8 (2) (b) (ii), “causing excessive incidental harm to civilians or damage to civilian objects” (Article 8(2)(b)(iv), “crime against humanity of inhumane acts under Article 7(1)(k)".
      The warrants were issued at the request of the ICC prosecutor's office. The cases relate to attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure carried out by Russian forces from October 10, 2022 to “at least” March 9, 2023, according to court materials.


      The Rome Statute does not apply to Russia, so they can wipe themselves with their orders.

      Power supply networks are used to operate the industry that produces weapons, which means they are dual-use facilities. Since Ukraine cannot prove the opposite - that this particular power grid facility is not used for the purposes of the defense industry, then there is no corpus delicti.

      In general, whoever wins is right. The loser will still be charged with all the sins, including the seduction of cattle and accusations of witchcraft.
      1. +8
        12 June 2024 11: 08
        The Rome Statute does not apply to Russia, so they can wipe themselves with their orders.

        Applies to the territory that is internationally considered the territory of Ukraine and all events on this territory.
        In general, whoever wins is right.

        This works right now, until the end of the war. For the Western man in the street and, through him, for their politicians, this is of great importance.
        These are not legal abstractions, but very real reactions in the form of the allocation of money, weapons, permission to use them, etc.:((
        1. -1
          12 June 2024 11: 10
          Quote from solar
          The Rome Statute does not apply to Russia, so they can wipe themselves with their orders.

          Applies to the territory that is internationally considered the territory of Ukraine and all events on this territory.
          In general, whoever wins is right.

          This works right now, until the end of the war. For the Western man in the street and, through him, for their politicians, this is of great importance.


          I can see how representatives of the ICC freely travel around the Donbass with their papers - at best, they will be thrown out of Russian territory, perhaps they will be put in our prison, it is possible that some warriors will simply bury them there.
          1. +5
            12 June 2024 11: 13
            They definitely travel around Ukraine. And this matters not only for formal processes in the ICC with unclear prospects, but, first of all, for real political decisions on the conduct of war.
    2. 0
      12 June 2024 12: 04
      Quote from solar
      However, the ICC has already issued warrants for two Russian military personnel on precisely this charge.
      It's time to destroy the insolent members of the ICC.
      1. -2
        12 June 2024 12: 08
        How is it possible? There are also British nationals in the ICC. So just steak, tiramisu and a budget for a business jet
  15. +2
    12 June 2024 09: 59
    Questions, questions, questions and we don’t see the answer!!!?
  16. +7
    12 June 2024 10: 19
    Now it turns out that "continental thinking" is a hindrance. This is some kind of extreme nonsense with a slight hint of one's general mental inferiority... . What else hinders bad dancers?

    But what is characteristic is that thieves and traitors never interfere with the people... I don’t remember a case.

    For sins, retribution and all power come from God....
  17. +5
    12 June 2024 10: 20
    As recent Israeli practice shows, even the mixing of a relatively small area with land, carpet bombing, etc., does not lead to a real result. Hamas has not been defeated. The Israeli army is walking in circles on a nickel of land. What is the point of all this - the top are not decapitated, this music will be similar, it’s just that we’ve been doing this for the third year in an area that is many times larger. Until the missiles fly towards the Kyiv political elite, this bedlam will stick out like clay. Bridges are needed, but the first thing is political and military control.
    1. 0
      12 June 2024 14: 04
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      As recent Israeli practice shows, even the mixing of a relatively small area with land, carpet bombing, etc., does not lead to a real result.

      Yes, this has been known for 80 years (literally).
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      Until the missiles fly towards the Kyiv political elite, this bedlam will stick out like clay.

      It won't help - they're just puppets.
  18. +4
    12 June 2024 11: 12
    The inconsistent policy of destroying the enemy is connected with the fact that in our government, even in the Kremlin, there is complete confusion and lack of faith in victory. They refused to cleanse the government of half-traitors and outright traitors, but what if... demagogy about victory is one thing. But striving for victory, mobilizing everything for this and removing everything and everyone who interferes with it is something completely different.
  19. +6
    12 June 2024 12: 14
    It is not the continental, but the marginal thinking of the authorities that hinders. Both “operation” and non-war time. Both for patriotism and for capitalism. Marginality is sitting on two chairs, connecting the incompatible.
    Maintaining the state of Ukraine in the form of an unhealed wound will certainly activate all the evil spirits against us on an increasing scale. From I. Guberman: - “All the bastards are inclined to unite,
    but all the decent ones are not.” This is both about the external and the internal for us. What was really needed was an operation limited in time to 2-3 months, but not stretched out over years, when some are in the trenches, while others continue to make a profit. The operation required the tension of the entire country, comparable to the time of the Second World War, comparable to the neglect of the situation on the outskirts. But the “top” is not capable of organizing this; this requires the ability to create, and not just copy. And the “top” must decide whether it is their own patriotism or someone else’s capitalism. “Bottom” - ephemeral stability, or prospects.
  20. +1
    12 June 2024 12: 35
    Why is the article using an outdated map?
    1. +3
      12 June 2024 12: 55
      It seems that there is simply no official new one yet. I haven't seen one like this, at least. I would like to see the official version.
      1. 0
        12 June 2024 14: 24
        Quote from solar
        I would like to see the official version.

        Well, although I like today’s version from Medvedev even more.
  21. +3
    12 June 2024 13: 15
    Quote: AVM
    The Rome Statute does not apply to Russia, so they can wipe themselves with their orders.

    Power supply networks are used to operate the industry that produces weapons, which means they are dual-use facilities. Since Ukraine cannot prove the opposite - that this particular power grid facility is not used for the purposes of the defense industry, then there is no corpus delicti.

    In general, whoever wins is right. The loser will still be charged with all the sins, including the seduction of cattle and accusations of witchcraft.

    This is unlikely... First, you need to win, not defeat the Ukrainian authorities, but defeat those who rule this ICC... and this has been a problem for about 100 years... The Rome Statute does not apply... this is dangerous delusion. Example - the United States uses any measures of coercion and intimidation against any decisions of the ICC regarding US citizens. What for? After all, the United States can simply, as the author writes, wipe itself... well, well... And the last thing: power supply networks are used - and further in the text. In modern civilization, everything is used for military purposes, literally everything. Is it possible to disable “all” of this? No, from the word “absolutely”. Israel turned off everything it could. And the result? There is no victory, goals have not been achieved, there are losses, power is wavering. Is THIS the result we need? What about thinking?
  22. +2
    12 June 2024 15: 57
    For Ukraine, these are image blows that allow them to say something like “We saw them.”

    For every image blow to Ukraine, there must be a response to an image object of Ukraine. Only this way, and no other way. And proxies? Well, we don't have worthy partners for proxy blows. And we don't need terrorism.
    All that remains is a nuclear strike and to hell with the opinions of half-friends, and especially with NATO countries. They hit the Crimean Bridge - a nuclear strike destroyed the dam of the Kyiv hydroelectric power station. They hit the early warning radar and responded with a high-power nuclear ground strike on the Yavoriv test site near Poland. Radioactive dust will slightly pump up the brains of the NATO leadership. They shot down any plane over Russia with a Patriot - in response, they shot down the same plane, even over Romania.
  23. -1
    12 June 2024 18: 34
    Let's try to stop, take a deep "breath" - to restore normal oxygen saturation of the "gray matter", the brain, so necessary for a banal analysis of the situation on the "other side of the front sight"... At the moment, of everything that happens there, "abroad", in the field of military-technical art, 75% is from the field of "wants", assumptions, desires, which are successfully sold on the information. space and creates a kind of constant "white noise" in the heads of domestic specialists, special profile and specific knowledge and skills... This "noise" is successfully transmitted through the LBS, from the adjacent territory, causing questions, bewilderment, and, often, indignation of the Russian average person... Often, the answer to most questions regarding what "they have there, but we don't" lies on the surface and it is not connected with "their overwhelming superiority" in the military-intellectual-technical sphere... Yes, they have "something" there, which we don't have yet, but they, too, don't have something that we have... Let's remember Reagan's "Star Wars", which "divided" our Soviet economy and turned out, in fact, to be a well-thought-out American "zilch" and "white information noise"... And the F-35? A well-established advertising machine "promoted" the aircraft to the status of "wunderwaffe", but with "tricky" American-controlled software and problems that have exceeded 1000, when using it... Of course, there are military-technical questions and problems that Russia, for now, cannot answer... But Russia has something that is not there, which is not customary to talk about for security reasons... Now, on the "agenda" the main issue of the military department is the purity of the ranks and the use of state resources in the interests of the soldier - officer of the line units... Creation of the situation, in the "Priarbat Military District", - in accordance with the serious tasks currently being solved by the country...
    1. +1
      12 June 2024 19: 16
      I would really like to believe in all this, and especially about the Arbat Military District, but what to do with the facts? General Shamanov’s speech at the plenary meeting in the State Duma on the 11th is a very alarming indicator. Such a performance was in some way appropriate at the beginning of hostilities, and the people really do a lot to support and maintain the army. But after 2 years and 4 months... what, another doctor is needed to treat the leadership lost in space and time? Your doctor can't cope? Belousov - this is possibly the right decision, but why did they think for so long? Does he have enough powers? I'm not talking about protocol powers... did they give him carte blanche? Judging by the shuffling of the Security Council deck, not very well... and where are those funny guys who equipped the army of 1,5 million with SBZ sets? What about their bosses? And their equally cheerful subordinates? And those who, due to their duties, were obliged to control all these emergency orders?
      As for other possibilities, "what is not customary to talk about" .... so while new and newer red lines are being drawn, all possibilities will be zeroed out, and first of all to detect and repel a disarming blow of the enemy. Without any attacks from the main enemy, only floundering with the Ukrainian army, we will lose the ability to defend ourselves in strategic terms, having lost over-the-horizon radars and other formidable things ...
      We are not at war with NATO, we act as a testing ground for testing NATO tactics and strategy, and even with the hands of others, that is, they experiment on us like cats and draw conclusions.
      "We haven't started yet", "everything is going according to plan", "we don't need speed" - this is not convincing. Can we do it? Will we? These are the questions that worry people, not how not to offend someone...
      1. -2
        12 June 2024 19: 55
        Dear Vasily_Ostrovsky! I understand you very well, especially after the speech of deputy Shamanov... Now "scoring points" in the Duma is not difficult, especially on the issues of the SVO... But when did he walk "under the belt", as a general? I don't remember his pompous accusatory and resonant speeches from high platforms... What, were there different times, morals, "wants"? I can understand the current Supreme: it is much more difficult for him than for the Supreme of all times and peoples - I.V. Stalin, who managed to build the USSR, socialism, "clean up" the People's Commissariat of Defense and place managers devoted to the cause and communism - professionals in industry in all positions, before the beginning of the Great Patriotic War... And the current Supreme has to do everything at the same time, fighting off hidden and overt attacks from the West, the "fifth column", "waiters" of all stripes, obvious traitors, banal "Novoboyarsk" thieves, trying to work with this "scum" in the paradigm of "Leopold the Cat", to build something different from capitalism in Russia, including a multipolar, denazified world throughout the world... This is very, very difficult, especially when the circle of devoted like-minded people is very, very small, and those who want to "trip" - how many, how many....
        1. +3
          12 June 2024 20: 52
          Joseph Stalin, in fact, had only 17 years to prepare the country for war, for the Great War. We know and understand the starting conditions. A lot was accomplished during this time, a lot was not completed yet, many mistakes were made, both he and his team learned on the go. The goals he set were generally correct and timely. The result is known, all + and - have been taken apart...
          The current Supreme Commander has been at the helm for 25 years. It was they who were and are tasked with the Minister of Defense. Including in front of Serdyukov. The result is known: the army, as a tool of a superpower, by 2013 practically ceased to exist, the task was completed perfectly, even, as evil tongues say, the minister was awarded the Hero star... And Shoigu was given a task. The result is more than known, discussing these results in the media is not safe (!) ... Are there any conclusions? I would like there to be conclusions... and when will the people see this? And in general - who is all this for? For "Leopold the Cat"? Like-minded people, in your opinion, are an insignificant number of members of a closed sect? And why are we here at all? 150 million? That is, the supreme power is afraid to rely on the healthy part of society? And because of this we will ruin the country, steal everything again, without offending anyone? Somehow all this looks sad... There was an inspiring element - the return of Crimea, but that, as they say, is another story...
          1. -2
            12 June 2024 21: 06
            Dear Vasily_Ostrovsky! I do not want to get involved in a protracted polemic. I can suggest that you, at your leisure, analyze the internal situation in the Russian Federation, starting from Gorbachev's "show-offs" and ending with the current situation... And about 150 million - you are in vain... We, all, for now - are the electorate, which, not long ago, went to rallies and demonstrations in support of Gorbachev - Yeltsin and the new European thinking with a "turn" to a new de-ideologized society... In order to figure out who is healthy and who is sick - you need a lot of time and good, proven "doctors"... Try to analyze what has been happening in Russia over the past 25 years... Perhaps, the answers will appear...
            1. 0
              12 June 2024 21: 59
              The polemic can be curtailed... if parliament is not a place for discussion, then where are we, sinners...
              And let someone in the person of “trusted doctors” figure out “who is healthy and who is sick”, you are absolutely right...
              and he will tell us this, and we will again, together, run to exercise our electoral rights in the most democratic society.
              In the meantime, we are analyzing the last 25 years... Are you sure that the result of the analysis will be in our lifetime? Don't answer, this is a rhetorical question)
          2. +1
            13 June 2024 13: 41
            Joseph Stalin, in fact, had only 17 years to prepare the country for war, for the Great War. We know and understand the starting conditions.
            It was much easier for him.
            To begin with, if only because a soldier’s salary was from 36 to 60 rubles per month, while the cost of a bucket of potatoes was 100 rubles and a bottle of vodka was 400.
            Bonus for a damaged tank: 1000 rubles to wash clean - a liter of vodka and 2 buckets of potatoes
            And who was dissatisfied - the Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1926 everything military crimes in wartime had the formula - ".....to capital punishment"

            And how they abused the Red Army before the war has long been known and described.
            For example, when accepting the surrender of the People's Commissariat of Defense, 320 tanks and 525 armored vehicles were missing. I can understand where such a breakthrough in technology would come from now - then it wasn’t even possible to replace it with a bottle...
            Or how parts were identified in which the rifles had not been cleaned for several years.
            1. -1
              13 June 2024 15: 03
              Your assessment is clearly unfair. It’s strange that you somehow compare warm with round... you compare the monetary allowance of a military man (that is, the fixed regulated prices of the USSR government) with unregulated prices at the market in some arbitrary places and at some arbitrary time. Mention in this context of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926 is also clearly inappropriate, since you do not provide cases of application of the Criminal Code in the context of financial transactions and market prices. The thesis about “the Red Army was mocked” is also far-fetched, as is the story about tanks (by the way, in a completely different time period)... Thus, we can conclude that an objective assessment is not your task. What is more obvious here is the deliberate denigration of everything that happened in the history of the USSR. This will not work. As the classic said, “well, not everyone in the village is a fool.”
              1. +1
                13 June 2024 16: 39
                you compare the monetary allowance of a military personnel (that is, the fixed regulated prices of the USSR government) with unregulated prices at the market in some arbitrary places and at some arbitrary time. and during the war, vodka was not sold in the front-line zone officially.However, like potatoes in buckets...And you could buy them exclusively at the market..
                Random time? It is clearly written - “bonus for a knocked out tank.” Or did we give bonuses for knocked out tanks in the pre-/post-war period?

                Mention in this context of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926 is also clearly inappropriate, since you do not provide cases of application of the Criminal Code in the context of financial transactions and market prices.
                - slowly read what I have written - OUT context dd and market prices
                And who was dissatisfied - the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926 for all military crimes in wartime had the formula - ".....to capital punishment"

                as well as the story about tanks (by the way, in a completely different time period).- and then you eventually figured it out. Okay..

                What is more obvious here is the deliberate denigration of everything that happened in the history of the USSR. the statement of facts (and the wildest mess!!!) described in Soviet documents - is this slander? Well, then write "The commission that participated in the reception of the People's Commissariat of Defense are evil creatures, libelers and slanderers of the USSR!"

                When the brilliant and great commander Zhukov - whose file says “incapable of staff and teaching work” - had to be kicked out of the General Staff of the Red Army as an asshole for his incompetent leadership of the General Staff - apparently also slander?
                When Zhigarev lies to Stalin’s EYES, and 702 planes do not reach the front in the fall of 1941, is this also apparently slander?

                And yes, I repeat, it was easier then. Much.....
                1. 0
                  13 June 2024 17: 33
                  It's funny - to confirm the naive thesis about the lack of talent of the USSR military leadership, a certain entry about Zhukov is brought up... I'll quote the classic again: "Well, not everyone in the village is a fool!"
                  Is it a secret that the path of any military leader goes through a series of trials and errors? “If you can’t, we’ll teach you, if you don’t want to, we’ll force you” - this motto for the army is eternal.
                  The results of Zhukov's command are refuted by whom? By the victories of the Germans? When will people who cannot realize themselves otherwise than through "destructive criticism" of great people calm down? The General Staff Academies of all countries of the world teach students on the operations of great commanders, including Zhukov. Leave him alone, finally.
                  And you are certainly right - they lied to Stalin, by the way - they also lie to Putin. And then and today - they shake, sweat, but lie. Well, man hasn't changed in thousands of years. And so I wanted to create a “new man”... but not only the communists tried to do this, look at the generalized European/American - isn’t he lying? not cheating? this “new” one will be worse than the old one...
                  And it wasn't easier before, by God! Read the archives, you can drown there.
                  1. +2
                    13 June 2024 19: 42
                    Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
                    It’s funny - to confirm the naive thesis about the mediocrity of the military leadership of the USSR, a certain entry about Zhukov is drawn
                    -some the entry in the description was made by Rokossovsky, who was Zhukov’s commander at that time

                    Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
                    The result of Zhukov’s command has been refuted by whom? German victories? When will people who cannot realize themselves otherwise than through the “destructive criticism” of great people go away?
                    - a great man, being the National General Staff, managed to lose about 200 total losses in 000 days in the Minsk operation alone. But there was no Internet, and the Sovinformburo remained modestly silent...

                    Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
                    And it wasn’t easier before, by God! Read the archives, you can drown there.
                    - of course it’s not simpler. No...
                    There were oligarchs, corrupt officials, star-ballers, critics - in droves.
                    There one could squeal in the media: “Remove the National General Staff of the Red Army!! He’s stupid and has been marking time in one place for 2 years... oh, no - they retreated to Moscow in 4 months and a million losses.”...
                    there you could take a military man, knock out his teeth, break his ribs, not let him sleep, and then say “Sorry man, the NKVD made a mistake”...
                    And the wild luck of the USSR (and ours!!) - that the investigators were caught sluggishly, too lazy to beat, otherwise Rokossovsky and Korolev - bye bye it would have been......
                    1. -1
                      13 June 2024 20: 13
                      It's time to end this discussion, we're getting off topic.
                      In closing, I will note in response:
                      “-a certain note in the description was made by Rokossovsky, who was Zhukov’s commander at that time”
                      - what does this change? We read the original source: “Is it a secret that the path of any military leader goes through a series of trials and errors?” By the way, is Rokossovsky Jesus Christ? Or were all his actions as a commander ideal, and he is the ultimate truth? Just some kind of sect of “Rokossovites”...
                      "- a great man, being the National General Staff, managed to lose about 200 total losses in 000 days in the Minsk operation alone..."
                      - Do you have a reasonable estimate - how much is the normal loss in such battles in 10 days? That you, in fact, are just like in a sandbox... You won’t deny that the Soviet command learned from the war, including from the enemy? Or will you insist that they grow into military commanders straight out of the sandbox? Not serious, really...
                      An army without war rusts, a general will not become a commander without a real war, and without losses too... unfortunately, this is the other side of the military profession. It’s a disaster when a general doesn’t learn anything and doesn’t value a soldier’s life. But it is impossible to send a soldier into battle if you only think about his life. Tough choice...
                      I think that the war cannot be viewed only as the result of the actions of one side; unfortunately, this is what all sects of “those who know the truth about the Second World War” and all sorts of subverters of Soviet commanders are guilty of.
                      1. +1
                        13 June 2024 21: 43
                        Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
                        I think that the war cannot be viewed only as the result of the actions of one side; unfortunately, this is what all sects of “those who know the truth about the Second World War” and all sorts of subverters of Soviet commanders are guilty of.

                        however, supporters of the Soviet commanders angrily denounce current generals - forgetting that
                        Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
                        will you insist that they grow into military commanders straight out of the sandbox? Not serious, really...

                        И deprived they are completely entitled to losses - about which you write so significantly
                        Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
                        It’s a disaster when a general doesn’t learn anything and doesn’t value a soldier’s life. But it is impossible to send a soldier into battle if you only think about his life. Tough choice...
                      2. -1
                        13 June 2024 22: 10
                        You are right, of course: both today, and in that war, in any war - the stars of generals have a very specific price for soldier losses.
                        Unfortunately, we will still have to seriously ask for the losses of all those involved. Given today's information capabilities, all this will be very different from previous times, and the value of human life today is completely different in comparison with the times of the Civil and Patriotic Wars... The right to demand an accounting for each loss cannot be questioned, I think there is no dispute about this.
                      3. +2
                        14 June 2024 06: 28
                        The value of human life today is completely different compared to the times of the Civil and Patriotic Wars... - somewhat unexpected.
                        On average, 6 Vasek/Petek died per day - “No one is forgotten...” (they didn’t even get ready to bury them for 000 years!), and Zhukov is great and brilliant.
                        A certain number of fighters have died now - obviously less than a month’s losses during the Second World War - all bad, mediocrity and incompetence
                        Double standards, no?
                      4. 0
                        14 June 2024 16: 52
                        Take away your dirty paws from Vasek-Petek, for every dead person there is a name and surname, and honor. They can no longer defend themselves, but this does not mean that there is no one to punch today’s cynics in the face.
                        The losses in the Patriotic War are enormous. And of course, it is necessary to know everyone, and each one. How are the losses today different from those? Is there different blood in the veins?
                        For every dead soldier, the one who sent that soldier to his death bears and must bear responsibility. During the Patriotic War, people were lost not only in attacks and defense, the sloppiness of commanders and their inability/unwillingness to fulfill their duties were also the causes of losses, but the dead have no shame.
                        80 years have passed, and what do we see? Didn't today's commanders and chiefs study at the academy? Didn't you understand the lessons of WWII? Did the country's leadership suddenly decide to fight? Or did they do it by accident?
                        There are no double standards in assessing losses.
                        Sent a soldier to his death with his power - answer: for the Fatherland or because of your stupidity?
                        And yes: the answer must be kept by the Supreme Commander, the Defense Ministry, the National General Staff and local commanders. It shouldn't be any other way.
                      5. 0
                        14 June 2024 18: 52
                        Take away your dirty paws from Vasek-Petek, for every dead person there is a name and surname, and honor. They can no longer defend themselves, but this does not mean that there is no one to punch today’s cynics in the face.
                        Today's????!!!!!!
                        Won what ...
                        Kursk region, 1970s, I'm visiting the village.
                        There is a field near the village, along the boundary field. Our unit died on the field during the war.
                        Every year the field was plowed, skulls and bones popped out from under the plow.
                        Conscientious tractor drivers carried the skulls and bones to the boundary, while those who didn’t care - plowed on.
                        None creature from the party and collective farm authorities, as well as the military commissar, did not bother to stop plowing that mass cemetery.
                        And what for?
                        They will say “No one is forgotten” and that’s it..
                        And not a single local person punched the tractor drivers who went to the toilet in the bushes among the skulls...
                        It is a not today's cynics are then everything it was a bolt.
                        Everyone got a dick - Vaskas and Petkas lying around in the forests of the Moscow region or Myasnoy Bor. And no one laid a hand on them - they just pretended that there were no losses each time, like the commanders of that...

                        The army was masturbating for the marshals - snowdrifts were leveled into three tiers by a thread, blankets by a thread, grass by a thread, equipment by a thread, threads by a ruler...
                        But it would be quite possible to send a couple of divisions to collect and bury those killed in the war; this would not affect combat readiness in any way.
                        These marshals - “brilliant strategists of stick leaders” - should have been hanged for failure to fulfill the oath and direct responsibilities for the defense of the USSR. As soon as they whined, “But there was no order to defend the USSR!! And without an order, we can only shit ourselves!”
                      6. 0
                        14 June 2024 19: 23
                        Yes, you are a fighter, my friend! And can I get acquainted with your long-term struggle to perpetuate the memory of fallen soldiers in the Second World War? Or will we only get acquainted with your spitting on national history? One looks at the mass grave as a great sacrifice in the name of Victory, and the other looks at the mediocre dead “Vasek-Petek”... for me, this approach of the “Vasek-Petek” appraisers is disgusting. I really hope this does not apply to you.
                      7. -1
                        15 June 2024 18: 19
                        For stupid people, Chinese and you -
                        One looks at the mass grave as a great sacrifice in the name of Victory, and the other looks at the mediocre “vasek-petek” who died... - pooped on a mass grave then tractor drivers, and the local authorities had a dick at Vasek-Petek. Everything...
                        If you don’t get it - this is a split - they talked about heroism, and then they shit on their grave - one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR.
                        They said one thing in public, another in the kitchen, did a third, a fourth in the shower, a fifth on paper.
                        Who will defend the country if the response was "But I didn't send you there!!" (C) Our military commissar sent an Afghan from the KZ to someone who came in my presence
                      8. 0
                        15 June 2024 20: 10
                        You are also a market boor. What, they taught you so badly as a child? If you go out into the street, try to be rude to the first person you meet - you'll immediately get hit in the face. Why are you so brazenly rude online? Won't it fly from the virtual? Sure?
                        Pull yourself together and keep some decency, this is not a brothel.
                      9. 0
                        15 June 2024 21: 12
                        You are also a market boor. What, they taught you so badly as a child? and I’m tired of spreading politeness in front of an opponent who fundamentally does not read. I'm tired of describing the situation 10 times.
                        Have you seen this in the USSR?
                        Or did they cover their eyes so as not to see?
                        Disabled war veterans - medal bearers - in emergency barracks?
                      10. 0
                        15 June 2024 21: 19
                        and I'm tired of having a conversation with an ill-mannered person.
                        Finally: are today’s war heroes all in palaces and apartments? Open your eyes, take a closer look... and then again listen to Kartopolov and Solovyov in addition... and you will be happy.
                        And don’t answer any more - I don’t intend to communicate with you anymore. Best wishes.
                      11. 0
                        16 June 2024 15: 25
                        Finally: are today’s war heroes all in palaces and apartments? Open your eyes, take a closer look...
                        -Open it and take a closer look.
                        You jumped from the heroes of the Second World War in the barracks to those of today - it’s so easy.
                        and yes - I’ve seen enough military and civilian political officers (whether USSR or Russian) in my life, I don’t need to watch Solovyov - he won’t tell me anything new.
                        The people were in a mess, and they stayed in it.

                        Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
                        And don’t answer any more - I don’t intend to communicate with you anymore. Best wishes.
                        -and you do not have to be ill.
      2. 0
        12 June 2024 22: 01
        It is not only the image blow for blow that is important, which I wrote above, but also our losses in the upcoming or not upcoming long war. Are we ready to lose tens, and maybe hundreds of thousands of our fighters? Maybe we need to break the situation, even without nuclear weapons. Kharkov offensive: what was it? Who can answer my question? If in the first couple of days they added a couple of tens of thousands of troops with weapons, then the collapse of the Kupyansk group would have been possible. Why did not this happen? This means that our troops are still not ready and the summer offensive is in question. And if it does not happen, then perhaps we will again repel a counteroffensive and our affairs will remain bad.
        1. +4
          13 June 2024 02: 33
          We simply don’t have troops.
          I won’t say where they go (in May on “parents’ day”, if you went, you saw everything for yourself).
          But I can only guess about the circular leapfrog of the wounded. Any dropping of a drone grenade means a person is put out for a month due to injury. While the fragments are taken out, while you rest, you will recover. He receives 1-1.5 million rubles for being wounded + 240 rubles for being in the hospital every month.
          The question is motivation - will this person, after being wounded, go further in hurray attacks? (and anyone who has ever been in a hospital knows that any injury changes a person. While you are lying “useless to anyone”, you think about a lot). Or this person will try to get a minor injury, compensation for the injury and another month or two of “vacation pay”. ?
          simple human selfish psychology.

          PS: when Assad’s army was retreating everywhere in Syria, I wondered why that was?
          Motivation. I talked to a Syrian - he said that all the ideological, passionate, burning-eyed people were killed during the 5 years of war. Those left are the young or those who no longer believe in anything and are simply retreating to save their lives, because everyone is tired of everything.
          We have 2.5 years of war upon us. Lest we become infected with this spirit.
          1. -2
            13 June 2024 13: 58
            We simply don’t have troops.

            I fully admit that this is true, but it is not possible to significantly increase the ground forces due to the lack of weapons (in totality, of course), unresolved problems of communication and organizing the fight against drones. Still, rather than rage for a long time in the Donbass, it is better to give the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the rear of the tactical nuclear weapons a nightmare.
            1. +3
              13 June 2024 14: 11
              Just for fun, watch the TG channels - they often show how they go on the attack.
              Literally 3-4 infantry men go head-on and take a trench or 1 tank and some kind of infantry fighting vehicle storms the forest plantation.
              often with a non-victory result. Unfortunately. This is rarely shown, but it exists. This is war. Only Konashenkov and Shoigu can win always, without losses. But ordinary soldiers, not hung with ceremonial and anniversary medals, cannot boast of this.
              why is that?
              If you concentrate more troops, you will suffer losses on mines, artillery, and drones.
              less? there is a chance not to take the trench.
              and the turnover of wounded is really off the charts. On paper we have a company of 150-200 people, but in the field - 30 people. The rest are wounded-killed-business trips-sleep leave-on the move for food-water-ammunition-paperwork, etc.
              and General Shoigu comes and asks to go on the attack with the number of 150 soldiers that Konashenkov announced to him, and Captain Ivanov looks and understands that the only tank in the company was hit by an enemy drone, it is being repaired now, the BMP did not receive diesel fuel and there are few cartridges, and then he comes up with a brilliant plan to capture the trench on motorcycles, with a team of 6 people.
              There are videos. We managed to capture the trenches a couple of times, but there are also negative videos of how we couldn’t. I feel sorry for the guys. They spin and fight as best they can.
              but the level of lies, of course, among the generals is off the charts.

              It’s not for nothing that Prigozhin, standing on the roof of Bakhmut’s buildings, called Shoigu-Gerasimov, the titular Heroes of Russia, to get out of the Moscow office and come here to the front, to show what kind of heroes they really are and just talk to ordinary soldiers who are dying but not giving up. They are dying, but they will take Bakhmut.
              How did it all turn out? Soon there will be an anniversary of what Prigozhin did not finish, unfortunately.
              And time has shown that Shoigu-deputies and Gerasimov’s deputies are really corrupt officials and thieves who profited from the war.
        2. -1
          13 June 2024 15: 25
          Goal setting is also important, it seems to me, in addition to the image (or even instead of it). Based on what is happening at the front over these 2 years 4 months and the existing results, the lack of strong and growing international support for our Northwestern Military District, the main content of the boundaries of our “wants” in the Istanbul case, which is again persistently declared by our leadership - from all this we can conclude that This whole epic does not have any clearly conscious goals... there are some political desires, and an understanding that losing is unacceptable.
          But “what do we want” is a big question. It’s a complete petty topic, depending on the situation, “taking into account the realities on earth.” That is, we want the LPR+DPR+Crimea+Kherson and Zaporozhye provinces, formally 404 not in NATO, some kind of international guarantees... and great, we have no ambitions, we go home, glory to the dead, compensation to the victims...
          That is, no one sets geopolitical goals except our enemy (and this is in country 404, as you understand).
          The ceiling of dreams is a place at the table, not at the head of the table with other powers that be. This is the picture that can be seen at first glance.
    2. 0
      14 June 2024 11: 36
      And to what state do you need to "cool your brain" to understand that first of all you need good secure communications at the front!!!!!! Yes, yes, communications, why talk about high technology and the rest of the Tralala? The enemy has communications and an order of magnitude better than ours! Everyone admits this, including war correspondents! So when will there be communications worthy of the second army in the world?
  24. +1
    12 June 2024 20: 34
    I don’t quite understand how much it is necessary to develop the Aerospace Forces if, due to enemy air defense, even the existing forces were limited in their freedom of action? That is, the Aerospace Forces need to be developed without question, but what in reality will they be able to do against the very dense air defense of a potential enemy? (Except for launching missiles from our own territory, but not new aircraft are suitable for this). And in order for the Su34 to be able to throw FABs, it was necessary to wait for the enemy’s air defense to be depleted to an acceptable level, but even so, the FABs are launched as far as possible from the target.
    As a result, it appears that the Russian Air Force is currently unable to conduct combined aerospace operations comparable to those carried out by the United States against an enemy possessing modern air defense systems.

    This point is controversial. Is it possible to evaluate the enemy’s “combined aerospace operations” in this light? We see the inclusion of enemy troops in a single information space, we see the power of satellite surveillance, satellite Internet, coordination of drone operators, command and intelligence. But we don’t see the enemy’s airborne forces, since their supply was almost exhausted at the beginning of the conflict and was ineffective, because We have fairly good air defense, and we also have long-range missiles against enemy airfields. But at the same time, aircraft-type drones of both sides continue to fly quite freely and quite far (the entire length of Ukraine and almost to the Urals of Russia.
    Based on this, I assume that the aerospace forces will develop after the end of the conflict, but great efforts will also go into drones. Or they may even classify drones as aerospace forces; they also fly with wings; you never know what ideas will come to our Ministry of Defense.
  25. -1
    13 June 2024 05: 49
    What I don’t understand is why no one would think of placing radars on balloons similar to those that covered the sky from German bombers over Soviet cities during the war. This will give a decent increase in the observation range of low-flying objects at a low cost, unlike high-altitude drones, which can be waited for years. Near the front line, such airships can be vulnerable, but they can cover rear air bases like Akhtubinsk and Saratov from Bobrov.
    This is if it doesn’t put; the focus is on the use of budget funds.
  26. +1
    13 June 2024 07: 44
    The author does not offer anything new - since Russia has problems with technology, we will crush it with a mass of ground forces. If only there were enough infantry.
    1. +1
      13 June 2024 19: 16
      since Russia has problems with technology, we will press with a mass of ground forces

      The enemy has no less problems. He only has no problems with communications and satellite reconnaissance, but otherwise the problems in many areas are even greater than ours. Therefore, there is no need to wait until the enemy receives a lot of shells, a lot of advanced drones and flying FABs. The window of opportunity is until the fall, and then either tactical nuclear weapons or a stupid positional confrontation with casualties.
      1. +1
        14 June 2024 07: 45
        "The enemy has no less problems."

        Agree. Two not very technically advanced military machines met, neither of which has a decisive advantage - hence the balance on the LBS.
        1. -1
          17 June 2024 07: 56
          There cannot be equilibrium in systems that are fed separately for long. It is unstable. Even the experience of WWII confirms this.
          And more than 2 years is a short period.


          Russia itself, in fact, financed the war against itself, and in addition, Russia needs “oil money” to conduct military operations. And there's no time for fat here:
          General Shamanov recently explained popularly from the podium that the Russian army reminds him of a partisan detachment, where everyone supplies himself.


          . And Russian oil is processed in Europe into gasoline and diesel fuel for the Ukrainian Armed Forces and is paid, for example, to Bulgaria from Russian bank savings. .
  27. -3
    13 June 2024 13: 12
    Nevertheless, we are quite capable of creating a force capable of shutting down enemy states without introducing ground forces into its territory, at least for now within the continent (and we’ll see from there).

    We could have long ago turn off enemy states by destroying the entry routes into Ukraine weapons, ammunition, equipment, mercenaries and instructors - let them try to import all this on horseback along the Bandera partisan paths that the Bandera bastard used in the 40s of the last century in the war on the side of Nazi Germany, and then when organizing sabotage and terror against the people of Ukraine in the task of the Western countries, which started the Cold War against the USSR. And this has been discussed here countless times, but, unfortunately, it is not clear why Ukrainian logistics continues to work, delivering all this Western goods to the LBS, where our armed forces must grind it all, suffering losses.
  28. +3
    13 June 2024 13: 42
    It's not so much about thinking as it is about resources. NATO's GDP and the Russian Federation's GDP are like night and day. Moreover, NATO can use the industry of almost the entire planet through financial control. An air force capable of really leveling Ukraine into rubble is for the USSR Air Force and the CMEA bloc. And not for its pathetic remnant, the Russian Armed Forces. Do you think the Russian General Staff doesn't want to cut off supplies of everything and everyone to Ukraine? They just don't have the strength. It's not like playing biathlon or ostentatiously breaking bricks. And the Russian Armed Forces have lived practically uncontrolled and relaxed for the last 30 years. Like, why bother if we have nuclear weapons. If anything, we'll turn the whole world into dust.
    If we take an analogy - it's as if you mined the ENTIRE house as an anti-burglary system. And then robbers/rapists are climbing into your house. And the person on duty is sitting at the house detonation button and trembling. It seems like you can blow it up, but you also want to live. And there's still hope that they won't get to your apartment. And they won't hit you hard and... penetrate. Not deeply. But you had to get security dogs and install a button to call a mob group and sign a contract with the security. But there's just not enough money and it's a pity. And what was allocated, half was stolen.
    Remember how in the first months they screamed through all channels - Why are you interfering with your criticism!! There are smart people there. This is a cunning plan!! We'll figure it out after the win!! They don't change horses!!
    So where are these smart guys now?
  29. 0
    13 June 2024 17: 24
    Quote: Single-n
    So where are these smart guys now?


    So everything is in the same place, on the same channels...
  30. 0
    14 June 2024 00: 22
    There is only one solution - we need our own proxies who will fight with Western countries. Maybe it's time to involve Assad? Give him a million Chinese planes and let him strike
  31. +1
    14 June 2024 07: 00
    Ours failed to suppress Ukrainian air defense and ensure air supremacy. Hence the ease with which the enemy transfers reserves from one sector to another. Hence the endless footage of the box, when our planes fire NURS without approaching the ribbon. Hence the small number of our missiles and UAVs that broke through to targets behind enemy lines. Yes, ukrov air defense suffers losses (like ours). But this does not prevent them from maneuvering their forces and means, sometimes achieving good results. Suffice it to recall the ambush over the Bryansk region a year ago. Or depriving us of expensive and custom AWACS aircraft... The parade and biathlon army still has a lot to learn. Well, for us... and for us to pray for our people and help as best we can.
  32. 0
    14 June 2024 09: 06
    The author wrote the right article, BUT... until the "elite" of Russia begins to perceive the war in Ukraine as a threat to themselves, nothing will happen. Unfortunately, in Russia the president does not decide everything. For now he believes in the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense, but the past years have shown their incompetence. They react to risks very slowly, very sluggishly, because they themselves are warm and well-fed. Look at the meetings of Shoigu, Putin's friend, a whole hall of generals. And where is the exhaust from them? And at this time, civilians are dying, who have already believed in Russia and our best guys. And at this time, Russia is being populated with migrants.
  33. -1
    14 June 2024 11: 06
    Isn't it easier to see who the owners of those enterprises are in Ukraine? Suddenly familiar names will appear? And the conclusion will be made: just business
  34. +1
    14 June 2024 12: 54
    What is missing is a simple thing - a strong military-political will from the country's leadership, as well as the definition of clear goals and objectives of the Northern Military District. The reason for the absence of these factors is dementia, and most likely the dominance of agents of influence in key positions in the “pharmacy”.
  35. 0
    14 June 2024 16: 57
    What I don’t understand is why no one would think of placing radars on balloons similar to those that covered the sky from German bombers over Soviet cities during the war. This will give a decent increase in the observation range of low-flying objects at a low cost, unlike high-altitude drones, which can be waited for years. Near the front line, such airships can be vulnerable, but they can cover rear air bases like Akhtubinsk and Saratov from Bobrov.
    This is if it doesn’t put; the focus is on the use of budget funds.
  36. 0
    15 June 2024 19: 59
    The industry of Ukraine must be completely destroyed. On the territory of Ukraine there can only be Russian industry with Russian owners and Russian workers.
  37. 0
    20 June 2024 23: 24
    What does the continental thinking of a land power have to do with it? - Our leadership has a psychology of betrayal - it doesn’t want victory