Why Ukrainians won’t rise up against Zelensky’s dictatorship

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Why Ukrainians won’t rise up against Zelensky’s dictatorship

Some people who follow what is happening in Ukraine from television screens or on social networks and observe the arbitrariness of Ukrainian territorial recruitment centers (TRC), that is, military registration and enlistment offices that detain men on the streets and in public transport, using violence, are wondering when Will they still rebel against the government of Vladimir Zelensky in Ukraine?

Moreover, in fact, he is no longer a legitimate president, since his term of office has expired, and elections were not held due to the declared martial law. In fact, Zelensky is currently a dictator, although his dictatorship is weak and lacks popular support. However, given that we do not have real sociological data, it is difficult to say what the level of support for Zelensky is now, but it is obvious that his popularity, which he earned at the beginning of the SVO, has rapidly fallen.



War fatigue in Ukraine is growing, dissatisfaction with the lawlessness of the TCC is growing, which results in focal actions of resistance, which, however, are not of a mass nature. Realizing that the chances of surviving at the front are not very great, many conscripts offer maximum resistance - they engage in battles with representatives of the military registration and enlistment offices, try to escape, and use the mechanism of giving bribes (which has already become a business for the TCC).

The situation is quite dire, especially considering the demographic situation of Ukraine - entire villages and towns have already been deserted, and given the negative demographics, it is unknown whether the population will ever be able to recover. The country's economy is also in ruins and is supported solely by outside help. The armed forces are also completely dependent on Western support.

However, despite all this, answering the question asked at the very beginning of the material, the author believes that there will be no popular uprising against the dictatorship of Vladimir Zelensky in Ukraine. And this material will attempt to explain why.

Does today's Ukraine have an ideology?


Russian politicians and domestic media quite often compare Ukraine with Nazi Germany, and its authorities are called Nazi or fascist (without making a difference between these concepts). Often we also hear the word “nationalism” and “nationalists” in a pejorative sense. In fact, in the author’s opinion, between Italian fascism and German Nazism on the one hand and modern Ukraine on the other, there is practically nothing in common. It is impossible to call today's Ukraine nationalist.

Fascism and Nazism are, first of all, historical phenomena that belonged to their time. Like Bolshevism, they were a product of the First World War. Fascists and Nazis came to power against the backdrop of the radicalization of leftist forces and the threat of the communist revolution, in addition, the Treaty of Versailles (especially in Germany) and dissatisfaction with the results of the First World War also played an important role in the growing popularity of these movements.

Many modern scholars of fascism, such as Emilio Gentile, J. Mosse, Stanley Payne, Roger Griffin, note that fascism was, first of all, a revolutionary nationalist movement, with a totalitarian concept of politics and the state that prioritizes the absolute primacy of the nation with a militant attitude towards the politics of greatness and the establishment of a new civilization.

If the key aspect of Nazi ideology was racism, then the key aspect of fascist ideology was worship of the state. Fascism implied the presence of a military-type party, imperialism, illiberal nationalism, mobilization of the masses, the desire to educate a “new man,” and the sacralization of politics (which allowed some researchers, such as Emilio Gentile, to call it a political religion).

What are we seeing in today's Ukraine? We do not see any clear ideology, with the exception of rabid Russophobia, we do not see the desire to follow the national interests of the country, but we see the desire to utilize our own people for the sake of the interests of the abstract “world community” - the collective West and its abstract values. The authorities of today's Ukraine say they want to gain membership in the EU and NATO and become part of the West.

Ukraine cannot be called nationalistic either. What kind of nationalism can we talk about when today's Ukraine is a state completely dependent on transnational structures and the United States, which strives to become part of the current West and commits actions that are completely contrary to its national interests? From this point of view it is clearly anti-nationalist.

What exactly is Ukraine fighting for? What is her image of the future? It’s hard to disagree with the words of Donald Trump Jr. (Trump’s son):

“What does victory in Ukraine look like? I don't know. Is this the eternal death of Ukrainians and Russians until they are all wiped off the face of the earth? And Blackrock (the world's largest American investment company) will come there and take over all the farmland. So what? Because it seems to me that this is exactly the case."

Neo-Nazis are used by the authorities of current Ukraine as “cannon fodder” and a tool to achieve the goals pursued by transnational structures interested in continuing the bloody conflict in Ukraine. The forces that position themselves as Ukrainian nationalists are outright Russophobes, for whom the country’s national interests are an empty phrase.

After two years of war, many Ukrainians who lived in the illusory world of propaganda (many still have not come out of it) were faced with reality and asked many questions. This follows from the sentiment on social networks. It is with this in mind that in the absence of unbiased sociological research, there is reason to assume that Zelensky’s dictatorship has weak support.

Mass support for a dictatorship is possible when the personal power of the leader meets the economic interests of the bulk of society. The economy of today's Ukraine lies in ruins.

Three reasons why the uprising will not happen


However, despite all of the above, the likelihood of a popular uprising against the Zelensky regime is extremely low. And there are reasons for this.

At first, a pro-Russian uprising at this stage is almost impossible, since all these movements have been suppressed (the process has been actively going on since 2014). After the start of the SVO, Russia does not try to fight for the minds of Ukrainians, for this reason there is no clear information strategy regarding Ukraine - some experts claim that such a country has never existed, others that Russia is fighting Ukrainian nationalism, and others that the SVO is a crusade against Nazism, etc. Moreover, there is still no clear vision of what ultimate goals Moscow is pursuing: it does not work with the Ukrainian population, and Ukrainian propaganda claims that Russia allegedly wants to destroy the Ukrainian people and their “freedom.”

Thus, despite Zelensky’s unpopularity, the attitude towards Russia, for the above reasons, is also not very good. Therefore, the question arises: what could be the ideological content of this uprising? There is no answer to this question.

If we are talking about an uncontrolled popular revolt without clear goals and objectives, then it will probably be quickly suppressed by the repressive apparatus.

Secondly, the Ukrainian media and Ukrainian propaganda, despite their clumsiness, control public opinion and, in general, ensure a “spiral of silence.” The “Spiral of Silence” (German: Schweigespirale) is a principle described by the German political scientist Elisabeth Noel-Neumann, according to which, out of fear of social isolation, individuals prefer to voice less unpopular opinions and gravitate toward joining more popular opinions. The popularity/unpopularity of opinions depends on the degree of presence of opinions in the media space.

Noelle-Neumann's position on public opinion is very different from classical ideas about public opinion. For Noelle-Neumann, no sum of individual opinions of individuals exists, because individuals always follow the most common judgment. As a result, public opinion for Noelle-Neumann is a kind of distorted reality imposed by the majority.

From this point of view, the publication of the results of statistical and electoral polls in itself influences individuals, and is not simply a “passive measure” of public sentiment, since it allows individuals to navigate which opinion is more popular and which is less popular, which in their own way the queue influences the choice.

The question of the nature of the majority, whose opinion supposedly expresses public opinion, also deserves attention. This is best described by Leonid Ionin in the book “Political Correctness: Brave New World.”

“Orthodoxy expresses certain positions. People are accustomed to listening to the opinions of politicians, writers, intellectuals, experts, in short, “luminaries of the mind,” and therefore perceive their opinion as correct, because as they (people) believe, the majority perceives them (“luminaries”), so people are afraid of being in isolation in case of expressing an alternative opinion. But most importantly, the media is included in the process. They provide the statistics needed for the quasi-statistical sense described above. The opinion of the “luminaries of the intellect”, propagated in newspapers, transmitted through radio and television, leaves no doubt about what the opinion of the majority is.”

Thus, even if there is a majority of dissatisfied people in Ukraine, they are afraid to openly oppose the authorities because they believe that they are in the minority.

ThirdlyIt is a great misconception to believe that the masses have sovereignty, that the people themselves determine their future. Universal suffrage and the democratization of most European states created the illusion that peoples and nations themselves determine their own destiny, but in fact this is nothing more than an illusion.

Another famous sociologist Robert Michels convincingly argued the technical impossibility of direct rule of the masses and the impossibility of direct democracy.

“The decisive argument against mass sovereignty lies in its mechanical and technical impracticability. The independent masses are unable to make even the most necessary decisions on their own. The failure of direct democracy, like the success of indirect democracy, follows from numbers. In a dispute with Proudhon (1849), Louis Blanc asked the question: can 34 million people (at that time the entire population of France) solve their problems without someone whom even the smallest businessman cannot do without - without an intermediary? And he himself answered: anyone who answers in the affirmative is crazy.”

Michels noted in Sociology of the Political Party.

According to Michels, the people are not able to freely and independently use their power and therefore obediently allow themselves to be deprived of their basic civil rights. The only right that remains to him is the right to choose new rulers for himself from time to time. As soon as representatives of the people achieve power, their first step is to consolidate and strengthen it. They take more and more new measures to maintain their power, until, finally, they cease to be completely dependent on the people. This is the natural path of development of any power.

Also, do not forget that most people prefer the television to think for them - television shows a simple and accessible image of the world and eliminates the need to think for themselves. Coming home tired from work and turning on the TV, a person is unlikely to think about how truthful the report he just saw was. In addition, most people are conformists who prefer to be on the side of the majority (which is why the “spiral of silence” mentioned above works successfully).

With the help of media technologies, propaganda and manipulation, the necessary public opinion is created, which is directed in the right direction. In the case of Ukraine, propaganda is already failing, since the picture is very different from reality, but under martial law, intimidation and the use of the repressive apparatus will also play an important role. As a result, someone will believe the propaganda, someone will be afraid to openly express their opinion, and those who openly oppose it will be dealt with by the repressive apparatus.

Conclusion


To summarize, it should be noted that even taking into account the serious dissatisfaction with Zelensky in Ukraine, one should not expect serious and organized resistance to his dictatorship for the above reasons. The population of Ukraine is for the most part kept in fear, it is depressed and has no goals or vision for the future. The possibilities of a spontaneous rebellion, taking into account total mobilization, are gradually increasing, but the likelihood that it will lead to the overthrow of the current government is small.

A successful uprising against Zelensky’s power is possible only in one case – if it is supported from the outside. For example, if the West, at some point, considers that it has fulfilled its function and needs to be replaced by another political player. However, given that transnational structures and the United States already have enormous influence on Zelensky, they can, if desired, replace him in a less extravagant manner.
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  1. +59
    9 June 2024 04: 07
    In political science, our history seems to have ended in 1945 and then there was nothing, except for the Italian fascists and German Nazis, there is nothing, we are looking for connections only with them. At the same time, Ukraine is the most typical Latin American country of the Cold War. Latifundists and other owners of copper mines, under the strict guidance of the CIA, crush all dissenters, not shying away from any crimes. This is how Azov differs from the Atlacatl battalion? Yes, almost nothing, only newer weapons. How many successful popular uprisings have there been in Latin America that did not rely on external support? Yes, almost not at all! This is a technology proven by the Americans, the main thing is that there are enough thugs in the country who are ready to kill anyone for the money of foreign sponsors. And not only are we not fighting these scumbags (not only are we not bombing the SBU/GUR, but we are also letting them go home), but also a considerable number of pro-Russian leaders have remained silent or even died under suspicious circumstances on our side of the barricades, I would say no significant ones at all there are none left. The question of why no one in Ukraine is rebelling against Zelensky is about the same as the question of why in Guatemala or Indonesia the communists could not retain power - they were killed with our connivance
    1. -3
      9 June 2024 15: 37
      who is to blame, we know what to do without you, tell me... as a rule, it is the young or the eternally dissatisfied who blame, but the adults and wise ones suggest what to do... the answer to the question “Why don’t Ukrainians rise up against Zelensky’s dictatorship” is obvious: we are their we just don’t understand, so we can’t understand it... these are other people and they want to live differently, whether we like it or not... why did we want to “end the war”, we just wouldn’t have changed it any other way...
      1. +14
        9 June 2024 16: 15
        Quote: Sergey Sergey_4
        we just don't understand them

        Well, the USSR somehow understood the Vietnamese, Nicaraguans, Angolans, and so on, but here there seems to be some kind of inhuman logic. We just strain and strain our brains and can’t do anything. Neither to collapse bridges, nor to destroy Zelya, nor to build hangars, nor to plan combined arms operations, nor to shoot down drones in the Crimea - all this needs to be done, and there are always a few “buts”, and that’s it, it’s very difficult and it gives me a headache, but Therefore, there is only one conclusion - do nothing, let it resolve itself somehow, the Russian soldier has ingenuity and volunteers, so let him take it out. And the leadership, of course, are not cowards, tucking their tail between their legs because the self-propelled grandfather frowned, and did not at all fight against the lack of alternatives to the Minsk agreements and the leaders of the Crimean spring.
    2. +11
      10 June 2024 02: 22
      In political science, our history seems to have ended in 1945 and then there was nothing, except for the Italian fascists and German Nazis, there is nothing, we are looking for connections only with them. At the same time, Ukraine is the most typical Latin American country of the Cold War. Latifundists and other owners of copper mines, under the strict guidance of the CIA, crush all dissenters, not shying away from any crimes. This is how Azov differs from the Atlacatl battalion? Yes, almost nothing, only newer weapons. How many successful popular uprisings have there been in Latin America that did not rely on external support? Yes, almost not at all! This is a technology proven by the Americans, the main thing is that there are enough thugs in the country who are ready to kill anyone for the money of foreign sponsors. And not only are we not fighting these scumbags (not only are we not bombing the SBU/GUR, but we are also letting them go home), but also a considerable number of pro-Russian leaders have remained silent or even died under suspicious circumstances on our side of the barricades, I would say no significant ones at all there are none left. The question of why no one in Ukraine is rebelling against Zelensky is about the same as the question of why in Guatemala or Indonesia the communists could not retain power - they were killed with our connivance

      Exactly. That’s why I say that SVO is essentially a fiction. Because the stated goals do not correspond to the actual ones. If they tell me here about protecting Russians, first answer a couple of questions. Where is the leadership's reaction to the persecution of Russians in the Baltic states? Where is the help for European and Ukrainian Russians in obtaining citizenship? The essence of SVO is the utilization of Slavs and Russians as such. It didn’t work out under the guise of democratization and liberalism, now we are relying on the so-called. patriotism to achieve these goals.
      1. +8
        10 June 2024 02: 59
        The essence of the SVO is an attempt to show the Americans that our nouveau riche cannot be squeezed endlessly, they may even snap back. And at the same time, not to anger the Americans by continuing to drive resources to the West and enjoy life on yachts. Both of these points are simultaneously impossible to fulfill from the word at all, the Americans do not allow any arbitrariness, they were not given peace in Iraq and Yugoslavia, they could not even eat. And bloody war and destruction are their usual affairs, when Somoza was driven out, Nicaragua also turned into ruins, then the Reagan-sponsored contras ran across the border and burned schools and hospitals. It’s nothing personal, the Americans, if necessary, will put blacks, Slavs, Japanese, British, and their own rednecks who vote for Trump under the knife. There is a huge scope here in search of allies who suffered no less from the Americans, but here they are afraid to utter a word about real anti-American arguments
        1. 0
          10 June 2024 10: 52
          in 1914 they were indignant at the tsar’s delay in helping Serbia.
          and then a couple of years later they whined that the tsar allowed himself to be embroiled in a world war.
          If anything, the states are deliberately trying to ignite not a war with Ukraine, but a third world war. Therefore, they need us to respond as harshly as possible and fire cruise missiles at Poland, remove them from France, and leave Germany without gas. in general, everything that our hotheads dream of is something that is very beneficial to the states.
          and then when millions of our citizens burn in nuclear fire, these same hotheads will scream that they were against nuclear war.
          fighting hamsters never change and neither does their behavior. they are as predictable as .... in general, everyone can figure out for themselves how predictable they are
          1. -1
            10 June 2024 12: 53
            Well, we apparently should be against the world war in every possible way, fight it by regrouping, releasing the Nazis, sending resources to the enemies, and so on. This is even more beneficial for the Americans, no? After all, they trade with the Euraich, and if it burns down, there is nowhere to trade and pump out labor resources. Shameful capitulation with indemnities and division of the country is the best way out? Under the slogans that there would be no war, they already received a monstrous blow in 1991, as if a nuclear war had happened
            1. -3
              10 June 2024 13: 31
              no, you just need to act wisely, and not rush at anyone with a saber on emotions. Will we attack India and Serbia? after all, the pans have their ammunition.
              but no one remembers how, with the start of state aid to the pans, train derailments in the States became more frequent and refineries and other oil and gas facilities began to burn? but no one understands why France is so angry? yes, because Russia kicked them out of their possessions and how we don’t want to understand why the states are throwing pots at themselves (although this is their right, this is their state and they have the right to build anyone’s bases, I’m writing a response in advance to the fact that after the mention When French people emerge from Africa, comments will begin that Africans themselves decide with whom to cooperate and with whom not). the answer should be tough but by someone else's hands. For example, I would give the Houthis the opportunity to launch Iranian Shaheds from container ships at European oil refineries (and ideally at military airfields (as a hundred Rafales burn out, Macron will be remembered as .... in general, not as a person. And only he can play into the hands of the states and act openly someone who has a family in the taiga and doesn’t care about the residents of big cities
              1. -1
                10 June 2024 14: 57
                But who can argue that you need to fight using your brains and not using theft? But you should always be ready to raise the stakes
          2. +1
            10 June 2024 13: 14
            Lucky! "He who chooses between war and shame will receive both war and shame."
            This means that if some country, in this case the United States, has set itself the goal of dragging Russia into a war, it will achieve this. It is not Putin who is to blame for this, the war began after the destruction of the USSR and Yeltsin’s blessing of America, at first there was a cold war, now they have reached the hot phase. Is it possible to stop the war? Of course you can. There is a Munich script, also Polish and French, German and Korean. There are options, but there is only one choice. Otherwise, there was no point in starting anything. “We silently retreated for a long time.” It’s a shame, after 33 years we realized that the country’s development was going in the wrong direction, but it’s one thing to realize it, but to develop correctly is another.
            1. -2
              10 June 2024 13: 33
              and there are still smart people who will not get into an open fight in front of witnesses and then sit down, but will catch the lawless man in a dark alley and break a couple of bones.
              who is preventing sabotage from being carried out (by the way, they are being carried out without comments on VO, but so far little, more demonstratively) and at such a level that the residents understand that the war is not a joke and that if the canister is not removed from power, they will suffer grief.
            2. 0
              11 June 2024 08: 27
              the war began after the destruction of the USSR
              The war with Russia continued after the collapse of the USSR, and it does not end to this day. The goal they have already publicly stated is to split the country into many small territories that would constantly be at war with each other. The role of the West in these conflicts is one, to supply the warring countries with their weapons in exchange for resources. They have already successfully tested this scheme in Africa. Therefore, as long as the West lives in the form in which it lives now, there will be no peace on earth.
  2. +14
    9 June 2024 04: 37
    The history of peoples is the history of their moral ups and downs

    Firstly, the people always determine their future, since it is the morals and customs of the people that determine those types who among the people become leaders at different levels.

    For example, such a semi-criminal with such a snout as Yeltsin, who at night under the Christmas tree in the winter of 1991 divided the country together with Kravchuk, could not
    would be perceived as a leader in England or France.... But in modern Russia, easily!
    (But not in Russia in the 30s of the 20th century.)

    People understood this all back in biblical times. If a certain Michels is an authority for the author, this is a problem for Michels and the author.

    Secondly, fascism and Nazism in Ukraine are very real and based on the idea of ​​​​the inferiority of Russians.

    The author himself (!) simultaneously recognizes the general inferiority of the “broad masses” and immediately declares Nazism only a consequence of WWI.

    Thirdly, it is surprising that many still do not understand that the word "democracy" never meant "power of the people" or "power of the masses." Demos is a layer of free people, the most organized and politically active, which managed to bring the state apparatus under its control. .

    Strictly according to Marx, the feudal system is democracy for the feudal lords, the bourgeois system is democracy for the bourgeoisie. And for everyone else, this democracy turns into a dictatorship of the ruling layer.

    By the way, the idea of ​​proletarian democracy does not mean at all that proletarians must necessarily be the majority in society.
    1. +13
      9 June 2024 08: 14
      . people always determines his future

      Not always. Our people had revolutionary Lenin and Stalin, and they also had counter-revolutionary Yeltsin and chair holder Medvedev. Formally, they are the choice of the common people. But in reality this has nothing to do with choice.

      Nothing depends on the people. Nowhere. Everything depends on the elites and the top. Moreover, this elite may be opposite to each other in ideology. And the elite that has more power wins.
      1. +10
        9 June 2024 09: 22
        Perhaps the author is right that there is no classical Nazism and fascism in Ukraine. Or maybe not. Political scientists are also demagogues. But the reality is that the elite of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions march under fascist banners, with fascist chevrons, with fascist tattoos, and fly under the flag of fascist Germany. The suckers say that they have almost no fascists or very few of them, but the expired condom Zelensky signed (signed an autograph during the video shooting) on ​​the flag of the SS Galicia division. Or maybe there is ordinary Russophobia in Ukraine? Honestly, I don’t care what political scientists call the Ukrainian dictatorship. For me, people organizing torchlight processions, burning Russian books and Russian people alive, torturing people with savage torture are fascists. THESE ARE FASCISTS. Ukrainians are striving for Europe. Well, the Europeans are striving for Ukraine, joining Nazi battalions, supplying weapons and ammunition, training the Armed Forces of Ukraine, striking the territory of the Russian Federation, killing Russian military and civilians. THESE ARE EUROFASCISTS.
        Why don't Ukrainians rise up against Zelensky's dictatorship? Because they are hutaskers, slaves. In Ukraine, boys, teenagers, and young people are called lads. Not by purchasing. Not ordinary people. Namely, the boys. Serfs. In the Old Russian state (so-called by some idiots fool Kievan Rus) slaves were called serfs. That is, Ukrainian children are called slaves from early childhood. And if you look at the history of the Middle Ages, the so-called Ukrainians (a nation invented by the Austrians) were always slaves of either Poles or Tatars. Only we Great Russians freed them from the yoke of foreigners, including religious (ideological) oppression, and gave them relative freedom. In 1991, we, the Russians, gave the Ukrainians independence. For the first time in 700 years, they had their own country with the third army in the world, with the fourth economy in Europe. And what did the Ukrainians do with the independence and wealth we gave them? Over the course of thirty years, everything was loved, wasted, stolen, squandered. The Ukrainian president, a puppet of the West, pulling his strings like a toy, runs around the world in a dirty green T-shirt dressed like a sucker with his hand outstretched. Slaves cannot be independent. They miss the yoke and the whip, and are looking for a new owner who will feed them.
        How did the so-called Kievan Rus appear? negative, which Ukrainians are so proud of? The Russian prince Prophetic Oleg sailed along the Dnieper from Veliky Novgorod (this is not far from St. Petersburg, the first capital of Rus' Ladoga is even closer to St. Petersburg), killed the Kyiv elite and founded a great power that controlled the trade route from the Varangians to the Greeks. Even in ancient times, Ukrainians were unable to organize a state on their territory without the leadership of the Russians.
        History repeats itself: again the St. Petersburg people are going to beat the Kyiv people in order to create a country out of the Makhnovshchina.
        Ukrainians will never rebel against dictator Zelensky. Passionate patriots were purged by the Nazis a long time ago, or they left the country. There seems to be some kind of underground in Ukraine. Not everyone fell under the boot of the fascists. But there is no partisan movement as such. If we compare the massive scale of the partisan movement in Belarus and Ukraine during the Second World War, it turns out that the Ukrainians were not against the occupiers.
        1. +19
          9 June 2024 10: 48
          Regarding your statement about partisans in Ukraine - during the Second World War, the partisan movement was prepared IN ADVANCE, caches with food and weapons were created, personnel were trained, and during the war itself, powerful assistance was provided from the state.
          May I ask you what efforts the Russian Federation made to help the Ukrainian underground after the Maidan? Because, as far as I remember, the Russian Federation did not spend a penny on Ukrainian partisans. And all that has been done for them today is seven hundred sentences for the deportation of Donbass volunteers, and the refusal to grant citizenship if any of the militias, or those generally sympathizing with Russia, had a criminal record, for example, for recognizing Crimea as Russian.
          But you seem to think that the Ukrainian partisans were obliged to simply sell all their apartments and property just for the sake of beautiful eyes, to sell all their apartments and property, just to find money for the fight, and not receive anything at all from the Russian Federation in return - no help, no recognition, no citizenship, not even exchange from prison, where today there are more than 14 thousand people convicted of pro-Russian activities!
          1. +1
            10 June 2024 01: 47
            and receive nothing at all from the Russian Federation in return - no help, no recognition, no citizenship, not even an exchange from prison
            Considering how many children of our high-ranking security officials live in the USA and Britain, the partisans’ connection with the center will most likely lead to the SBU coming for them the very next day.
        2. +7
          9 June 2024 15: 10
          Ukrainians will never rebel against dictator Zelensky. Passionate patriots were purged by the Nazis a long time ago, or they left the country.


          Not always. Our people had revolutionary Lenin and Stalin, and they also had counter-revolutionary Yeltsin and chair holder Medvedev. Formally, they are the choice of the common people. But in reality this has nothing to do with choice.

          Nothing depends on the people. Nowhere. Everything depends on the elites and the top. Moreover, this elite may be opposite to each other in ideology. And the elite that has more power wins.


          Historical analysis shows that any greedy ruling elite that holds the reins of power for its own profit always does everything to avoid losing power. When one of the dissatisfied begins to shake the air with loud statements, they fight him. Someone is bought, someone is lured to their side and brought into the circle of the chosen ones, someone is intimidated, someone is destroyed through rigging laws or accidents. In ideologies based on material values, this has always been the case, no matter how many generations live their lives brightly, according to the laws of creation and conscience, as soon as people lose the need to fight for survival, their descendants will again begin to plunge into the abyss of social parasitism and a meaningless existence, overcrowded groundless confidence in one's own uniqueness.
          As has always been the case, over millions of years of evolution, the brains of a herd of sheep began to work only after a blow to the forehead with a club. And before this epochal shaking, everyone joyfully rushed to support anyone, as long as he hung beautifully and promised material benefits.
          Simply being indignant is worthless, because words that are not backed up by deeds are nothing more than empty words.
          Did the dissatisfied generously declare their disagreement? Who cares? When did the ruling elite, living to achieve their own goals, give away power in an amicable way, and it does not matter whether they belonged to external parasites or came from their own population? Didn’t she pass it from hand to hand from one of her puppets to another, even if formally belonging to some other party, but rather gave it to a completely different force? Never. History convincingly shows and proves a simple postulate: people always come to power by force of arms.
          After this happened, the group of people who found themselves at the helm creates a lot of laws, written by themselves, for themselves and for themselves, if you want. And declares the captured country, planet or race to be an exclusively fair entity that sacredly respects the laws. But, please note, these laws fully meet the interests of the ruling elites. And if these elites are at the helm for the purpose of their own enrichment and aggrandizement, then they will do everything to ensure that, according to the current legislation, power would never go to someone else who does not belong to their circle. History is replete with examples of all sorts of tricks for this. Starting from the creation of several, of course law-abiding, parties, supposedly professing different political views, but in reality belonging to the same puppeteers, to the organization of all kinds of shadow governments that rule the world, divided into states, the inhabitants of which sacredly and naively believe in their sovereignty and independence leaders and so on.
        3. +2
          9 June 2024 19: 48
          Quote: Bearded
          Perhaps the author is right that there is no classical Nazism and fascism in Ukraine.

          Totally wrong. There is not and cannot be classical fascism or Nazism. Just as there was no classical socialism. Each country has its own, with its own characteristics. There are also common features that are the same for everyone. In Ukraine there is natural Nazism based on Bandera terrorism. Bandera's supporters proclaimed revolutionary slogans and achieved their implementation through brutal terror. In Ukraine they know this well and therefore do not stick out too much when the state machine of control and suppression is in the hands of Bandera’s followers.
        4. +2
          9 June 2024 21: 41
          For me, people organizing torchlight processions, burning Russian books and Russian people alive, torturing people with savage torture are fascists. THESE ARE FASCISTS.

          Here the other day, a former blogger, and now an active employee of Solovyov’s team, Stas “Oh, how simple”, interviewed a “real” Russian patriot, a participant in Russian right-wing radical movements, a volunteer and member of the SVO, Alexei Melchakov, who directly admits to the torture and murder of Ukrainian prisoners of war and desecration of their corpses, whose ears and heads he cut off and on whose bodies he carved Kolovrat. At the same time, the Russian patriot Melchakov does not hide the fact that everything he has done has one single task - to dehumanize each other’s opponents in the eyes of each other so much that neither side even has a desire to surrender. But for some reason they call him not a fascist, but a hero-liberator and hold him up as an example. I guess I don’t understand something, but then who is fighting against whom?
          Namely, the boys. Serfs.

          Yes, as I see it, you are at least a Doctor of Philology from the Zadornov Institute..
          Only we Great Russians freed them from the yoke of foreigners, including religious (ideological) oppression, and gave them relative freedom.

          Do the gentlemen “benefactors” know how many times the Ukrainians sent letters and delegations to Moscow with a request to accept their citizenship and how many times the Tsar refused them this? Although freedom was not lied to, working for a landowner is a dubious pleasure for anyone, whether you are a Ukrainian, a Great Russian, a Belarusian or anyone else...
          The Russian prince Prophetic Oleg sailed along the Dnieper from Veliky Novgorod (this is not far from St. Petersburg, the first capital of Rus' Ladoga is even closer to St. Petersburg), killed the Kyiv elite and founded a great power that controlled the trade route from the Varangians to the Greeks. Even in ancient times, Ukrainians were unable to organize a state on their territory without the leadership of the Russians.

          What dark ignorance. Really, you should at least read some normal history textbook (just not the one by Medinsky and Pu) before writing such nonsense. Russian prince Prophetic Oleg... Well, if for you Russians are the Balts, Finno-Ugric peoples or Scandinavians, namely they were called Varangians in Rus', then yes Oleg is Russian. For reference: the name Oleg, as well as its female version Olga, are essentially derivatives of the Scandinavian names Helgi / Helga, which are translated as “sacred / sacred”, “holy / holy”. Russian, damn it, prince - don’t tell my slippers. What would you know: Russians as a single ethnic group did not exist at all until the 16th century. Initially, there were Slavic tribes of the Dregovichs, Vyatichi, Polyans, Drevlyans, etc., then there was a short period of their unification at the hands of the Varangians, which lasted just over a century, and then a period of fragmentation began. During this time, people simply did not have time to realize themselves as a single people. Therefore, a little later they will so easily call them rezants, Novgorodians, Yaroslavlians, etc. And this is despite the fact that somewhere from the 10th-11th centuries the words Rus, Rusyn, Ros were in use, which, however, most likely also are not of Slavic origin.
        5. 0
          15 June 2024 11: 36
          Quote: Bearded
          dressed under fascist banners, with fascist chevrons, with fascist tattoos, zigging

          Yes, this is good, although I don’t see the symbols of Italy, mainly Nazi Germany.
          But on the other hand, the LBS openly operates an organization that directly repeats the actions recognized in 1945 in Nuremberg as “crimes of Nazism,” and is directly interested in the death of every person at a certain age. But this organization does not use Nazi symbols, and few people notice their crimes.
          Quote: Bearded
          Ukrainians will never rebel against

          And here is another reason, unfortunately.
          Once I got into a conversation on the Bladesmithforum with an ideological Ukrainian who does not use the Ukrainian language and does not pay taxes in Ukraine, selling his works only through Etsy and Ebay. Of course, English is not the native language of either me or him, but he directly and simply explained why he (and those around him) thought the Ukrainians were fighting.
          You will be surprised!
          They are fighting for the right to work quietly in their home and workshop, without paying any fees or taxes to the state. There is an unspoken rule in Ukraine - as long as you don’t rent premises and there are no hired workers, the state is not interested, no matter how much sales are made to Europe and the USA.
          So Ukrainians are fighting not against the Russian Federation, and not for Ukraine, but for the opportunity not to pay taxes and duties. And this is a simple and understandable idea for every person on Earth - to fight for their freedom from taxes.
      2. +3
        9 June 2024 09: 52
        Are you smarter than the biblical prophets? They said that disasters and blessings are sent to the people according to their sins and virtues. And it depends on the people Do you think that the leader of a nation is the strongest male? This really does not depend on society, but only on the play of nature. Let me explain that this is not entirely true...

        The writer A. Fadeev, in his stories about the Civil War, wrote that in many villages the most revered heroes were those who were capable of cutting a man to the saddle, and the people did not take the real organizers seriously at all. They were little known.

        The leader becomes not the strongest and most terrible, but the one whom the people perceive as a leader. In the USA, the leader was Roosevelt in a wheelchair....

        The image of a leader, a person who should be obeyed, depends on the level of development of society.

        For example, in the late 80s, Yeltsin was perceived as a “fighter for the people.” Although even then it was clear to many that he was semi-literate and deceitful, and even that he was essentially a traitor. He was not fit for the position of leader at all; he was only a puppet in the hands of others.

        In developed countries, it is obvious that the president represents a political party. In modern Russia, no.

        For example, Putin is a non-party member and is not formally subordinate to any organization in Russia. But-leader! Who and what? But simply the leader of the people because in the eyes of the people the Tsar should not obey anyone....Like the people, like the leader. What kind of people, such is their power
        1. +3
          9 June 2024 13: 20
          ivan2022
          Putin is non-partisan
          You said a strange thing (((Putin is a former KGBist. And only communists could serve in the KGB. Bear and United Russia are also Putin’s parties
          1. +3
            9 June 2024 15: 41
            You said a strange thing (((Putin is a former KGBist. And only communists could serve in the KGB. Bear and United Russia are also Putin’s parties


            we say Putin, we mean the party,
            When we say party, we mean Putin.
            the party and Putin are twin brothers,
            who is more valuable than mother history?..

            relevant.
            1. +1
              9 June 2024 16: 55
              You spelled it correctly - party - with a small letter
    2. -1
      9 June 2024 11: 43
      "the idea of ​​proletarian democracy". This is nothing more than an idea of ​​deception. In fact, the working class has never ruled the country in its own interests. The country was ruled by a group of comrades, because any country is ruled by the owner of its wealth. The right of ownership is the right to dispose of property: that is, to be able to improve management, improve production assets, generate income, and sell property. In reality, we had some similarity in terms of generating income as a result of the Kosygin reform. But it stalled because the rest of the conditions did not depend on the workers.
      1. +2
        9 June 2024 15: 06
        "the idea of ​​proletarian democracy." This is nothing more than an idea of ​​deception.


        Democracy cannot exist in any society except the most primitive. You just have to select key figures even better, and the most profitable thing is not to even appear in power, remaining in the shadows and buying the laws, protection and people you need.
    3. +2
      9 June 2024 13: 55
      For example, such a semi-criminal with such a snout as Yeltsin, who at night under the Christmas tree in the winter of 1991 divided the country together with Kravchuk, could not
      would be perceived as a leader in England

      Doesn't Boris Johnson's "snout" bother you?
      1. +1
        9 June 2024 14: 36
        One could pin hopes on Boris that he would lead England to the same result as our Boris, but in England everything has been arranged a little differently for a long time. I recommend watching their comedy series “Yes, Mr. Minister!” I don’t really care about the series itself, but the first episodes give an idea of ​​how their apparatus works regardless of the change of the Zits-chairmen. Of course, in fact, the device is not there on its own, but it depends on completely different “gentlemen”, who most likely were not featured in the series; I did not watch them all.
    4. -2
      10 June 2024 02: 39
      By the way, the idea of ​​proletarian democracy does not mean at all that proletarians must necessarily be the majority in society.

      Is the proletarian who has taken the helm of power still a proletarian? laughing All these isms like fascism, Nazism, communism are complete nonsense. Because they are basically artificial formations built on artificial dogmas. Not even scientific ones. As you know, science is, first of all, the ability to confirm a theory with the results of various experiments. What do we have about communism, Nazism, etc. and so on.? That experiments were carried out. In public. With sad results for people
  3. +12
    9 June 2024 04: 53

    What are we seeing in today's Ukraine? We do not see any clear ideology, with the exception of rabid Russophobia, we

    Russophobia is one of the branches of the tree of racism.
    I don’t know what the author is observing there, but I am observing the rabid Nazi Bandera ideology..."Ukraine is above and beyond"...in the name of which Russian teachers were shot in Kupyansk and pro-Russian citizens were killed in Bucha and throughout Ukraine...Putin’s mistake with the withdrawal of our troops, which caused the death of many pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine.
    The author's conclusions are controversial.
    I advise him to go back to Makhno's time in 1918... there you can find answers to today's political situation in Ukraine.
    1. +22
      9 June 2024 07: 01
      The formation of the state of the current society there occurred gradually. First, we feed the entire Union, then we live better than in Russia, etc.. Moreover, we ourselves put a lot of effort into this. I mean our government. Okay, at 90 -x everything was clear - they tore the country apart, there was no time for Ukraine. And then, what did we do? What example of development could we offer? Nothing, just puffing out cheeks, extremely expensive show-offs. And next to Europe, with a cute appearance, lawns and salaries with pensions. And then 2014 came... The authorities made a huge mistake by stopping at Crimea. And then they started - they attacked us, we must defend our homeland. There is nothing to say about the events of 2022. We will be enemies to each other for many decades
      1. +12
        9 June 2024 07: 06
        The authorities made a huge mistake by stopping at Crimea. And then they started - they attacked us, we need to defend our homeland.

        This was openly discussed at VO many times... but then Surkov was serving as an adviser to Putin... they had some kind of wise plans of their own.
        They hoped to come to an agreement with the swindlers Merkel, Hollande, Macron... in the end they themselves were deceived.
        1. +21
          9 June 2024 08: 06
          What does Surkov or Illarionov have to do with it? Putin selects in his own image... Assistants, the financial and economic bloc (just don’t say that he has no power here). He is the main liberal, not the bad boyars.
          1. +4
            9 June 2024 08: 09
            Putin cannot make decisions based only on his opinion.
            There is always an advisor and assistants...
            In 2014, there were reports that Putin consulted with Surkov in making decisions on further actions in Ukraine.
            1. +5
              9 June 2024 08: 49
              I don’t know whether this is right or not. Following the old saying. “There are two opinions. Mine and the wrong.” However, yes. Even under the autocracy there was a boyar duma, a high council...
              1. +5
                9 June 2024 13: 17
                under the autocracy there was a boyar duma ---dmi.pris1

                The more time passes, the more the rhetoric of deputies today resembles the rhetoric under the autocracy request
                What is Ukraine fighting for? What is her image of the future?

                For what and for what, it’s clear about them. ANTI-RUSSIA in everything. And this is what we, the current Russian Federation, have today as an image of the future. We see how some pieces of the future, fragments, are designated. But in general the whole future is not declared at all
            2. +5
              9 June 2024 09: 20
              He still has the same advisers and assistants, many also for some reason defected to the outright enemies of the country - Illarionov, Dvorkovich, Nevzorov, Kasyanov.
    2. +1
      9 June 2024 19: 56
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The author's conclusions are controversial.

      Not only conclusions, but also reasoning. The author believes that [quoteall these movements were suppressed (the process has been actively going on since 2014).][/quote]
      Although all pro-Russian movements have been actively suppressed since 1991. And in universities, nationalist propaganda in the field of humanities flourished in the 70-80s under Shcherbitsky.
  4. +18
    9 June 2024 05: 05
    After the start of the SVO, Russia does not try to fight for the minds of Ukrainians, for this reason there is no clear information strategy regarding Ukraine - some experts claim that such a country has never existed, others that Russia is fighting Ukrainian nationalism, and others that the SVO is crusade against Nazism, etc.

    Suffice it to say that the Russian Federation, unlike the USSR, cannot provide a specific idea for the development of society. It is likely that not everyone likes the “rosy” prospect of living on an income above 15 rubles, and not everyone considers this line to be a real black line dividing the poor from the very poor. Also, not everyone wants to change their domestic yoke to a foreign one.
    Unfortunately, the revolutionary situation is described quite clearly, but in Ukraine it has not yet matured... You can still live somehow... Otherwise, there would not be such resistance as is happening today.
    * * *
    And from the very beginning, the North Military District should have paid more attention to the destruction of urban infrastructure and the destruction of energy.
    While the regime is being supported by the West, the illusion is being created in Ukraine that the whole world is with them...
    1. +8
      9 June 2024 13: 28
      unlike the USSR, it cannot give...

      So, unlike ukra too! They yell, “What is this Europe?” Russophobes. They don’t hate Russians, they want murder and destruction for Russia.... They want decommunization. What do we have? Do we want to make friends with the EU and the USA? Or not? Are we fighting globalization? But somehow modestly.... We do not leave the international harmful organizations for the Russian Federation recourse
    2. GGV
      -5
      9 June 2024 14: 23
      Let’s say I don’t have a single friend who lives on an income of 15096 rubles. Where do you find such people? And yes, I live 1000 km from Moscow, and the nearest regional center is 160 km away.
      1. +1
        10 June 2024 20: 08
        Quote: GGV
        Let’s say I don’t have a single friend who lives on an income of 15096 rubles. Where do you find such people? And yes, I live 1000 km from Moscow, and the nearest regional center is 160 km away.

        This is the minimum wage in 2023, after taxes. And people working for the minimum wage, according to statistics, 4,9 million. people
  5. +10
    9 June 2024 05: 15
    Damn, the author... Well, it’s very difficult to parse into quotes on the phone and describe at every moment how it is. Is this a tactic? They could leave fascism, Bolshevism, and Nazism out of this altogether if you don’t understand anything about it. You can analyze the questions posed without this. By the way, this partially worked out. And the historical and political economic excursion was superfluous.
    1. +4
      9 June 2024 08: 03
      Quote from Hipper
      Could fascism, Bolshevism, and Nazism be left out of this altogether?

      It would be interesting to know your opinion, what do you personally understand by fascism?
      1. +1
        9 June 2024 10: 13
        Personally, I adhere to the most generally accepted definition in science.
  6. +21
    9 June 2024 05: 19
    Why Ukrainians will not rise against Zelensky's dictatorship
    Because they never “revolted”. Maidan is a myth; people cannot “rise up” without coordination. A revolt is possible, but it is chaos and is easily suppressed by the authorities. So, there must be coordination either within the country or outside.
    Much has been written about the so-called “color revolutions,” but IMHO: this is for confusion. It is much easier to understand that this is a banal hybrid war:
    Hybrid warfare is a type of hostile action in which the attacking side does not resort to a classic military invasion, but suppresses its opponent using a combination of covert operations, sabotage, cyber warfare, and also providing support to rebels operating on enemy territory. In this case, military operations may not be carried out at all, and from a formal point of view, a hybrid war can take place in peacetime. Attacking side carries out strategic coordination of these actions, while maintaining the possibility of plausible deniability of one's involvement in the conflict.
    The Americans, with the help of maydauns, conquered their country long ago and are clearly not going to coordinate a new uprising (if they want to remove the green clown, they will replace it without an uprising). So, without Nuland’s cookies and the money of Lord Jacob Rothschild (the main financier of color revolutions and coups), there will be no uprising.
    And of course it is possible to organize riots, for example, like the yellow vests in France, but this will not lead to a change of power. Even external coordination does not always help if the authorities are decisive, so everything was in the hands of Yanukovych, but he turned out to be weaker.
  7. +15
    9 June 2024 05: 20
    “Fascism and Nazism are, first of all, historical phenomena that belonged to their time. Like Bolshevism, they were a product of the First World War.”
    The author confuses white with soft.
    You don't have to read any further...
    1. +2
      9 June 2024 11: 55
      Bolshevism is a historical phenomenon of the late 19th, early 20th. About Nazism and fascism.. There are so many parallels to the present that it is not worth voicing.. PosodYut.
    2. +2
      9 June 2024 14: 00
      The author is clearly not familiar with the revolution of 1905... And where did German nationalism come from.
  8. +7
    9 June 2024 05: 27
    For some reason, the author believes that the people themselves decide everything, enter politics, stage coups or revolutions, and manage geopolitical changes. But the whole history shows that this is absolutely not true: anything other than a short rebellion that ends in nothing happens only when the force behind the changes is sufficiently organized and has sufficient financial and/or power resources for this.
  9. +10
    9 June 2024 05: 31
    The author does not see the obvious!!! Ukraine does have an ideology - this is Russophobia, Ukrainian nationalism (they love to appear on TV in embroidered shirts, for example), pro-Western servility (the USA and Europe are our everything and the direction of development) coupled with hatred of the USSR and Russia .in addition, modern Ukrainians consider themselves to be the direct heirs of Kievan (imperial) Russia. And Russia is a Tatar ulus that suppressed “free” Ukrainians for hundreds of years. In addition to everything, today’s Ukraine is an industrially developed country with considerable scientific potential with a population of millions, as a result we have a dangerous neighbor who poses a real (and not imaginary) threat to the Russian Federation!!!! the government missed the opportunity to eliminate the threat in 2014 and 22 (apparently they were afraid of blood.) and now it’s generally not clear what to do with this Ukraine. So there is a sluggish special operation with hope for a better future....and Ukraine was offered and offered an ideology - to become back part of the great and huge Mother Russia!!! only there is a problem - Ukraine does not want this!!!!
    1. +17
      9 June 2024 06: 31
      Quote: Alexey Mosunov
      The author does not see the obvious!!!

      The author should go to some neutral country and communicate with real Ukrainians - in order to understand the mood, ideology, etc. without fantasies.
      With NOW ideology everything is quite simple. They are being shot at, their businesses are burning - they don’t like it. And no one is going to carry out geopolitical showdowns “my apartment burned down because U adheres to idiotic policies.” We agree that country U’s policy is idiotic. But the bombs are Russian, so there is anger at Russia. Civil war - not because of ideology - but because of the blood shed. My friend was killed - I hate those who shot him. On both sides.
      and Ukraine was offered an ideology and was offered to become back part of the great and huge Mother Russia!!! only there is a problem - Ukraine doesn’t want this!!!!

      She doesn’t want to... She’s not inspired by Russia’s achievements. Just like the Russians. Apart from abstract love - and the absence of normal banks, communications, etc. in Crimea for more than 10 years - is not inspiring.
      1. +14
        9 June 2024 08: 35
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        She doesn’t want to... She’s not inspired by Russia’s achievements. Just like the Russians.

        Yes, we here recently began to live better than Japan! And for a long time now we have been living better than Germany!! Aren’t Russians inspired by all their achievements??

        Now I’m waiting for the Germans and Japanese to come to us from their backward countries as guest workers. Improve your personal well-being!
        1. +11
          9 June 2024 10: 27
          the other day people began to live better in Japan
          I didn't understand this joke either. There we were talking about purchasing power. Maybe this is about the development of retail chains? There are five magnets there. Like shops in every home? Or what? And then purchasing power, in the sense as I understand it, in my case not only did not increase, but rather even fell.
          1. +14
            9 June 2024 11: 58
            In short, this is what we can buy for a thousand rubles, and the Amezians can buy a little less than 10 bucks for the same money. Yes, indeed, we can buy more goods with this amount. Only based on the results of salaries, this is incomparably less... Once every fifteen. Offhand. And this is called propaganda, instilling headless leavened patriotism
            1. +10
              9 June 2024 13: 07
              Amezians for the same money - just under 10 bucks.

              Ah... Well then, we should generally be in first place. Shawarma in America has 15 tanks, we have 1.5. laughing
              1. +5
                9 June 2024 20: 26
                Shawarma in America has 15 tanks, we have 1.5.
                In England, a pack of cigarettes generally costs 15 pounds.
            2. +3
              9 June 2024 19: 53
              Quote from: dmi.pris1
              In short, this is what we can buy for a thousand rubles, and Amezians for the same money - just under 10 bucks

              Sorry, small addition. What I buy in the States for 10 dollars costs me in Russia somewhere around 50.
              Somehow they forget - just an example for clarity - that when buying “car” and “automobile” or “sausages” and “meat product” - things are very different.
              I won’t argue with Internet blog specialists about how everything is in the states and Canada, it’s personal impressions.
      2. +7
        9 June 2024 11: 40
        The author should go to some neutral country and communicate with real Ukrainians - in order to understand the mood, ideology, etc. without fantasies.

        I think the author understands everything. But he can’t write straight. Only in a veiled way.
        Despite Zelensky’s unpopularity, the attitude towards Russia, for the above reasons, is also not very good.

        But no one else understood this. The fact that the deployment of troops to Ukraine was based on the erroneous premise that they were expected there became obvious to everyone by the summer of 2022. The second grave mistake was the failure to understand that the West would actively support Ukraine. But I’m afraid we will only learn about the mistakes that are happening now with time :((
        1. +8
          9 June 2024 16: 06
          We learn about these mistakes not from time ago. But now. And many from our own experience of battles, and there are more widows and orphans... That’s how the “mistake” happened.
    2. +8
      9 June 2024 07: 34
      ...and now it’s not at all clear what to do with this Ukraine

      Driving bombs completely into the ground and cities into rubble, you can’t do anything else with it. Those who survive will at least be afraid. And this one of ours, with his cunning “we’re not like that” plans, will achieve nothing.
      1. +4
        9 June 2024 13: 49
        [Quote]Driving bombs completely into the ground and cities into rubble, you can’t do anything else with it./quote] Interestingly, shooting at our civilians is fascism. And their peaceful people and not people - pig-snouts, destroy everyone. And settle new Russians (from the sunny republics) on the liberated territory of Novorossiya.
        [Quote]Whoever survives will at least be afraid/quote] And there will be good servants (from those who are afraid). I remember the failed artist from Drang nach Osten.
        And who are the fascists?
    3. +6
      9 June 2024 07: 39
      After the collapse of the Union in Russia, now 10 percent of its former scientific and industrial potential remains.
      In Ukraine it is 10% of the Russian one.
    4. +3
      9 June 2024 13: 00
      Well, you can’t force it out now. The only thing you can do is try to liberate the Donetsk region. That’s all our armed forces and rear can do. And try to get out of this war. War with people who hate us, close in mentality, in mind, perseverance, courage, defending their country, land (yes, that’s what they think) does not lead to victory. Moreover, in fact, we are the aggressor.
      1. man
        0
        9 June 2024 14: 50
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Well, you can’t force it out now. The only thing you can do is try to liberate the Donetsk region. That’s all our armed forces and rear can do. And try to get out of this war. War with people who hate us, close in mentality, in mind, perseverance, courage, defending their country, land (yes, that’s what they think) does not lead to victory. Moreover, in fact, we are the aggressor.

        Finally, someone dared to say it! Bravo! hi
        But how to get out of this war? At least where to start? Personally, I can't imagine... request sad
        1. 0
          9 June 2024 14: 54
          And I can’t imagine. But I’ll have to hi
        2. -4
          9 June 2024 16: 43
          Simple. Stop shooting, go back to 2022 borders. That will end the war. If you come back to business with the West, then you must also change government, handle Putin to International Crime Court and give back Crimea.
          That is the only way not to be one big North Korea in 10 years.
          1. man
            +3
            9 June 2024 20: 52
            Quote: Barking_one
            Simple. Stop shooting, go back to 2022 borders. That will end the war. If you come back to business with the West, then you must also change government, handle Putin to International Crime Court and give back Crimea.
            That is the only way not to be one big North Korea in 10 years.

            The fact that “business” with the West has stopped makes me personally only happy; I hope this will encourage our authorities to urgently develop their own industry and science, while Soviet specialists and can teach youth.
            1. -3
              9 June 2024 23: 08
              And how do you want to do it? First you need money, and that is "slightly" difficult. Secondly - you need technology. If You want to develop everything on Your own You will be, like North Korea trying to build things, that West abandoned 40 years ago.
              1. man
                +1
                9 June 2024 23: 15
                Quote: Barking_one
                And how do you want to do it? First you need money, and that is "slightly" difficult. Secondly - you need technology. If You want to develop everything on Your own You will be, like North Korea trying to build things, that West abandoned 40 years ago.

                It’s okay, we have a lot of experience in doing without Western technologies. The USSR used only its own technology, and Russia can do it if the authorities want it.
                Consumer goods, of course, will lag behind, but we will make weapons better than Western ones, have no doubt
                1. -3
                  9 June 2024 23: 27
                  Not quite. These were different times. First - technology was far less advanced, and it was far easier to start with something. Look - in 20's almost everyone could build their own cars or even planes. For example Poland, Romania, China, even Lithuania were able to build their own planes. And not some shitty one, but quite good and modern. Can You imagine that Lithuania builds new fighter today? But they did it in 20's.
                  Secondly - USSR wasn't so isolated, like today. USSR had good relationships with Germans (Kama tank school). Also was able to buy some technology - even heard about Armtorg Trading Corporation or Armand Hammer? Or maybe about Henry Ford, who helped to build GAZ factory?
                  So no - it wasn't that You did it on You own. You bought many technologies and patents in the West.
                  And now? No one from the West will trade with You and China isn't interested in selling You technology. China is just buying You part by part.
    5. 0
      9 June 2024 13: 47
      Yes, Ukraine doesn’t want to. It doesn’t want to, but it will have to!
  10. +16
    9 June 2024 05: 39
    The author of the article can be understood, because for publishing the true reasons for the impossibility of an uprising against Zelensky in Ukraine, the editors are unlikely to publish the article so that we can read it. The same fate may befall the comments, with a sentence for inciting hatred towards “friendly people”. But it's worth trying carefully.
    The first point of the reasons for the impossibility of an uprising is that an uprising against Zelensky and against the West would mean an uprising for Putin and for Russia. And this is impossible, it is against nature, since the whole of Ukraine is a hellish nest of Russophobia. And this is an ideology of hatred and self-exaltation, stronger than all drugs and psychotropic substances, stronger than all human-hating ideologies hitherto known. The author of the article is right here that the ideology of fascism and Nazism in relation to Russians and Russia is already a thing of the past. A new ideology has appeared, more terrible for Russia than the previous ones.
    And here we can highlight the second point of reason, which is that the gullible and never-sorry Russians still naively hope that Russophobia is a minor “political runny nose” that will go away on its own. And this is fundamentally not true, because neither the Russians nor the other peoples of Russia have yet realized that the ideology of Russophobia is a new ideology of destruction, more terrible and stronger than the previously known ideologies of segregation - eugenics, racism, fascism and Nazism. By the way, all anti-Sovietists are, first and foremost, Russophobes. To be anti-Soviet means you are first and foremost a Russophobe, although you could claim the opposite. And it was the anti-Soviet people, being Russophobes of all stripes, who killed the USSR, and now these same Russophobes and their descendants are trying to kill Russia. So there will be no uprising against Zelensky there, just as there was no uprising against Hitler in Germany. And since the ideology of Russophobia is worse than that intoxicating drug of fascism and Nazism, drug addicts will never rebel against the drug on which and from which they live...
    1. 0
      10 June 2024 20: 28
      Russophobia has always existed in America and Europe. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Under Stalin more, under Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and early Putin less. Now it's going through the roof. And now they will try to push us to the end.
  11. +10
    9 June 2024 05: 44
    There are forces in Ukraine that want the war to end, even on the Kremlin’s terms. And these are not lovers of Russia or supporters of the fraternal people, but people who understand that the younger generation is dying, and this is the future of any country. In Ukraine, the economy has been completely destroyed, and some of the same youth are on the run abroad and most of them will never return. So the expression “the last Ukrainian” is not a metaphor at all, but the future reality of Ukraine. Thus, the Clown is leading the country precisely to the last Ukrainian
    1. +11
      9 June 2024 10: 28
      And the devil is with them... The main thing is that our grandmaster does not bring the chess game to the last Russian...
      1. man
        +1
        9 June 2024 15: 04
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        And the devil is with them... The main thing is that our grandmaster does not bring the chess game to the last Russian...

        You are ahead of me here too smile
    2. +2
      9 June 2024 13: 16
      Dutchman Michel
      There are forces in Ukraine that want the war to end
      Is there any? Precisely forces, and not individual people? And what are these forces?
    3. 0
      9 June 2024 17: 04
      So tell me, what bright future to the Ukraine will Russia bring? Wealth? Rule of law? Peace? Good infrastructure? No corruption? Good health care? Long life of life? Fast trains? Modern trams?
      What can you offer?
      Answer is - nothing. So it is clear, that people prefer to fight for a better future than live like You.
  12. +1
    9 June 2024 05: 50
    [/quote]famous sociologist Robert Michels convincingly argued [quote]
    It is worth adding that he is a famous fascist.
  13. +4
    9 June 2024 05: 58
    “In a dispute with Proudhon (1849), Louis Blanc asked the question: can 34 million people...” And Proudhon and this Blanc in the mid-19th century could still be forgiven for such thoughts. They did not have time to catch house chats on WhatsApp, and a much more advanced tool as a system of advice. So the proof given is not that.
    1. +9
      9 June 2024 07: 04
      But there are no fewer “intermediaries”. Even with the presence of “house chats”.

      By the way, I won’t undertake to talk about them.

      A closer example is that the presence of “parent chats” at school has virtually no effect on management. Waste of time.
      1. +3
        9 June 2024 09: 59
        However, there is a possibility. In the 19th century this was not even dreamed of.
        1. +3
          9 June 2024 11: 45
          The scenery is changing. The essence of things is fundamentally unchanged.
  14. +7
    9 June 2024 06: 07
    The answer here is very simple:

    1) the thinking of the economic people: - “my house is on the edge.”
    2) an uprising is only possible: - “if someone pays and there is no risk for it.”

    That's it, the answer is given.
    1. +2
      9 June 2024 09: 17
      Absolutely right. This is their ideology. Briefly and clearly.
  15. +4
    9 June 2024 06: 15
    Again, this is distortion and broadcasting about the obsolescence of concepts. But no!
    Nazism is one of the subtypes of fascism, and in Ukraine it is Nazism. That is why there is a cult of national symbols from trousers to trident, from linguistic insanity to hatred and derogatory attitude towards other nations, while exalting their own! This is pure Nazism.
    But this is only part of fascism, the root of which is the ban on the Communist Party and the division of society into the class of nobility and commoners. No equality or brotherhood. Fascism is essentially a development of feudalism, in which the basis of the state is the rich and powerful, noble people - the master class, and the rest are just cogs in their factories and in their army.
    1. man
      +4
      9 June 2024 15: 17
      division of society into a class of nobles and commoners. No equality or brotherhood. Fascism is essentially a development of feudalism, in which the basis of the state is the rich and powerful, noble people - the master class, and the rest are just cogs in their factories and in their army.
      But then half the world, if not more, fits your definition perfectly.
      Including... almost all of the CIS
  16. +18
    9 June 2024 06: 18
    Forget the fairy tales about the people rising up!
    This is only from textbooks
    Or only in a single town, on a regional scale.
    Unorganized and unsupported by funding, any protests quickly fizzle out!
    On the other side they are also surprised about us.
    Why won't they rebel against the tyranny of the oligarchs?
    Against privatization.
    Against cleaning companies...
    Against raising the retirement age...
    1. +1
      9 June 2024 18: 09
      Against cleaning companies...

      What's wrong with these, excuse me? Are they cleaning poorly?
      1. -1
        10 June 2024 05: 19
        In almost all cleaning companies, people work unofficially, for lower wages and without paid sick leave or vacation pay.
        At least one and a half million such citizens.
        Cleaning, another deception.
        Almost official.
        But no one wants to notice anything.
        Priman:
        Full-time cooks are being fired from schools.
        Then the cleaning company calls them back. For 75 percent of the former salary, not officially.
        And so on everywhere where cleaning came.
  17. +1
    9 June 2024 06: 18
    Ukraine was told that it belongs to Europe. Even Yanukovych said that Ukraine’s path is the path to Europe. When we all rushed into Western culture, this was to the advantage of Ukrainians. Nationalism is used by capitalism as a valve that releases steam of discontent, switching this discontent to other peoples and countries. Russophobia? But there are many Russians in Ukraine. This means chauvinism towards Russians. The word Russophobia means fear of Russians. And here hatred is instilled against Russia itself.
  18. +9
    9 June 2024 06: 19
    Based on history, the root of Ukrainianism is the ideology of ruralism. The villagers are hard-working, economical and practical. But in the village there is also humility, patience and the ability to adapt and wait. It has always been this way. Waiting and surviving, in any conditions and in any historical periods. In other words, the psychology of a stupid bull. So, don’t expect any acts of discontent or any resistance.
  19. +9
    9 June 2024 06: 29
    There was no need to start the SVO with white gloves... There is nothing to complain about now. They got themselves into a quagmire.
  20. +3
    9 June 2024 06: 32
    the author was floridly clever.....although the majority of Russian citizens interested in politics suffer from the inability to express their thoughts BRIEFLY and clearly. Suffice it to recall the Solovyov show on television. one gets the feeling that the speakers go into a frenzy during their speeches and ecstatically continuously chirp in a waterfall, secretly admiring their beloved self.
    It seems that our blogger suffers from the same contagious problem.
  21. +19
    9 June 2024 06: 37
    All this impudence comes from impunity. It is necessary to bomb the infrastructure every day - stations and substations, train stations, military registration and enlistment offices, factories, bridges, communications. Moreover, in winter. Moreover, the emphasis should be on Kyiv and the Western regions. But we’re not in a war, but guess what – we’re bombing here, gas is flowing there, a ship is unloading here, tourists from NATO are here.
    With this approach, what we have is a twisted spiral of arrogance. But on the first day of the war, all the embassies from Kyiv were abandoned, but then they realized that Kyiv was untouchable and returned.
    1. +9
      9 June 2024 09: 37
      It is necessary to bomb the infrastructure every day - stations and substations, train stations, military registration and enlistment offices, factories, bridges, communications. Moreover, in winter. Moreover, the emphasis should be on Kyiv and the Western regions.


      Absolutely right. And we have daily battles for the forester’s house. We put our soldiers in the ground for no reason! We don’t need either gatehouses or Kharkov ones! Without water, without food, without electricity, fuel and roads, war is impossible. Deprive the Ukrainian Armed Forces of all this and the war will end. And the enemy has no problems with all of the above.
      However, if you imagine for a second that hostilities suddenly stopped due to the impossibility of continuing, then, most likely, it will suddenly become clear that the Kremlin has no idea what to do with all this next! Therefore, let’s pour blood on Rabotino, which no one needs, it’s easier. And it will be seen there...
  22. +3
    9 June 2024 06: 50
    Quote: 123_123
    But the whole history shows that this is absolutely not true: anything other than a short rebellion that ends in nothing happens only when the force behind the changes is sufficiently organized and has sufficient financial and/or power resources for this.

    smile You just quoted Ilyich...Lenin was quoted.
  23. +8
    9 June 2024 06: 52
    With a smile, I remembered my childhood in the USSR. Then on TV every day they talked about the happy life of Soviet people and the unbearably difficult fate of the working people in capitalist countries. I have always been tormented by the question, why don’t they make a revolution like ours and overthrow this cannibalistic power of the bourgeoisie. But I was almost a child then, and now grown-ups are asking this question. There is an answer to it, but it will reach them much later, alas. Ehhh where is childhood and where is the USSR. Everything passes, this too will pass, only the immeasurable stupidity of people and even entire nations is eternal.
  24. -1
    9 June 2024 06: 54
    Once upon a time on that land there was the Zaporozhye Sich and the Sich, free Cossacks, lived there, once upon a time... They could and did stand up for the faith, against the oppression of the Holy Orthodox Church, against the tithes that the Jews took from them. It was so long ago... The Jews, in the struggle for tithes, deceived the free Cossacks, sending them to their death to kill their brothers. Now there are no Cossacks there: only serfs-slaves, ready to pay tithes just to live, even if they betray their brother: "...you die today, and I will die tomorrow...". And you say rebellion...
  25. +7
    9 June 2024 07: 05
    “Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, the most chauvinistic, the most imperialistic elements of financial capital... Fascism is not a supra-class power and not the power of the petty bourgeoisie or lumpen proletariat over financial capital. Fascism is the power of financial capital itself. It is the organization of terrorist reprisals with the working class and the revolutionary part of the peasantry and intelligentsia. Fascism in foreign policy is chauvinism in its crudest form, cultivating zoological hatred against other peoples" (c). You cannot give a more precise formulation of fascism, as G. Dimitrov gave it. And don’t tell your grandmother that fascism is a national revolutionary movement. Not a single country where “national revolutionaries” came to power has seen a change in social formation. What can oligarchic Russia offer the Ukrainian people? I. Ilyin’s philosophy? loans and mortgages instead of local ones? Denikin and Krasnov, Vlasov, instead of Petliura and Bandera? How did Lenin plant an atomic bomb under Ukraine? That is why there is not and will not be any uprising in Ukraine.
  26. +3
    9 June 2024 07: 24
    What is the point for the Russian enemies of the USSR to overthrow Zelensky? Well, someone else will take his place. Or do they still dream that all the other Ukrainian enemies of the USSR are eager to greet them, and Yanukovych or Medvedchuk, with flowers?
  27. +3
    9 June 2024 07: 28
    For the same reason as ours.
    The population is apolitical
  28. +5
    9 June 2024 07: 33
    Everything is the same with us! The gray mass is trying not to shine through, although there is a huge mass of people who are dissatisfied with what is happening and those who brewed it. In words, we have such heroes and strategists, but they try not to show it too much. everyone just whines and criticizes, and when someone bolder suggests doing something, it’s all “I have a mortgage, but I’ve been patient and fell in love” and so on. The people always deserve the power that rules them
    1. +3
      9 June 2024 07: 42
      Do you have a suggestion on how to break this vicious relationship? The narrow-minded people and the sabotage power they have chosen...
      1. +3
        9 June 2024 16: 30
        Of course there is, for such proposals, at best they are imprisoned, so that others will be disgraced, that’s how we live
      2. 0
        13 June 2024 15: 43
        Soon there will be an anniversary of that event, which showed that at the very first nifty - almost all of our elite, top managers and deputy ministers, and even GENERALS of the Ministry of Defense (a certain Gerasimov then did not appear at the headquarters of the Ministry of Defense for a MONTH!!!) will fly on personal planes to wherever -anyone from MSC, if a simple popular mini-revolt happens.

        No one drew conclusions about who was to blame, the names of the names of these “patriotic runners” from these elites, but 2 bags of cocaine, a car of money, and fooling around with a grenade on a plane with a sad result - then they were suddenly found and covered on all the cheerful channels.
  29. +8
    9 June 2024 07: 38
    With all due respect to the author, the question is too artificial. He asked it himself - he answered it competently. Apart from the stupid distribution of videos about the everyday life of the shopping center, this topic is not raised anywhere.
    The bitterness and scale of the war are growing every month. Even under Yanukovych, the SBU did not stand on ceremony with pro-Russian organizations. Now any opposition sentiments are immediately suppressed. The murder of Oles Buzina was significant.
    1. 0
      9 June 2024 22: 11
      You did not understand. The author just wanted to please us with a unique interpretation of the iron law of oligarchy))) In general, sometimes it seems to me that as soon as he gets acquainted with the works of another researcher, he immediately finds confirmation of the theory he read in today’s political reality and hurries to share with us his discovery laughing Actually I'm exaggerating. It is clear that the author is well versed in scientific literature, but the theories he refers to are quite extraterritorial, and therefore confirmation of them can be found not only in/in Ukraine or Ukrainian society
  30. +12
    9 June 2024 07: 41
    Why don’t they rebel? First of all, because they have a good life. Look at their video blochers (I watch in Kharkov, Kyiv, Dnepr) The stores have everything, there is electricity (well, in Kharkov in April there were interruptions, now there are almost no fans). There is a lot of work, and the salary is approximately at our level (there are reports about this too ) There are also problems - rising prices (where would we be without it), periodic overflights and explosions somewhere (their dogs react inadequately to them). Well, bloggers also complain that a lot of people have migrated to the West, it has become boring. That’s it, there are no other inconveniences Russia, of course, must be destroyed. And everyone, without exception, remembers how bad it was for them in March-May 2022, when they had to run away somewhere, when they were ready to recognize any power, if only “that horror” would end. “Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy (V.I. Lenin) Therefore, the basis of the current calm in Ukraine is the availability of clothing, food, light and the Internet in homes, work and money for the population. Ukraine has all this, why should they rebel? But yes, moral tension against the “authorities” is latently accumulating (this can be felt from the reports, Ragulya instinctively wants peace), so as soon as the light and food disappear, a rebellion against the inhuman power will begin, as it always began in unstable societies. And all that is needed is 50 Iskanders, which should cancel a total of 11 750 kV generating transformers at three Ukrainian nuclear power plants (they were surrounded by concrete walls there, but this will not help from Iskander), nuclear power plants will automatically go into “cold” mode and immediately minus 60% of electricity production, if this is in cold weather, then immediately minus and 60% of heat supply in cities (CHPs also need energy). If we add to this the attacks on substation 750/333 (there are 5 of them in total) on water intakes and treatment facilities in the same Kyiv, Kharkov, Dnieper, Lviv and Zaporozhye (go on the street), then in general their beauty will now be so clean (where do they get money for cleaning?) the cities will flood with them, and a pitchfork will simply ask for a pitchfork in the hand of every now inert Svidomo. Well, of course, we need a Russian soldier. What does History show us? In the same Berlin in March 1945, the overwhelming majority of fascist ideas reigned in the heads of the population of this town, and in the same June, just three months later, the overwhelming majority were anti-fascist. Why, what has changed? Something has changed, and... bad ideas they just went somewhere. Therefore, the basis of any rapid change in the ideology of the zombified population there is, first of all, a Russian soldier named Alexander (Iskander) and.. Mykola’s empty stomach. They will extremely quickly change any fascist ideology (1945 example). But for this you need simply a Clever Commander, with the goal of destroying critical points of the Enemy (the Tale about Koshchei is a lie, but there is a hint in it) and thereby helping the quickly losing weight of the Enemy’s population quickly realize who his real, selfish Enemy is, who wants to taste a portion of the pitchfork in the side from his former voter (viboretsya) And love will immediately appear to the hand that feeds. BUT..we don’t have such a Kamandyr now...Alas.
    1. +2
      9 June 2024 10: 52
      the pitchforks will simply beg to be held in your hand

      I also sometimes go to ukrochatiki. Indeed, the lack of light is mainly blamed on their officials. They don’t forget about rockets either, but mostly we are talking about the theft of funds and the use of foreign electricity for one’s own purposes. It also seems to me that without electricity on the other side, the NWO will run much more vigorously. Why the RF Armed Forces have their hands tied, I can’t see from my sofa.
  31. +11
    9 June 2024 07: 45
    "Why don't Ukrainians rise up...."
    Why don't Russians rise up against Putin? Any uprising requires a “brain” leader. Grudinin, Platoshkin, Strelkov, Navalny, Prigozhin, Furgal. These are the leaders whom Putin removed from the political arena. Everything else is called a popular revolt! Which is always suppressed cruelly if the authorities respect themselves. Therefore, whether in Russia or in Ukraine, an uprising is impossible. Only a popular revolt!
    1. 0
      13 June 2024 15: 46
      I’ll add this person to your list.
      Avksentyeva, Sardana Vladimirovna

      %D0%90%D0%B2%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0,_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0
      I, being a Muscovite, would vote without hesitation.
      She proved by ACTIVITIES that Putin’s theft system has an alternative.
      was “eaten” by her colleagues and resigned.

      read the information about her - she is a very interesting person and did crazy things in the eyes of officials, but not of ordinary people.
      PS: I just found out from the wiki that she is now in the New People party.
      Now I will know who to vote for in the party elections to the Duma.
      otherwise the jingoistic patriots always say that there is no one to vote for except EdRa. There is someone for! If you stop watching ORT.
  32. +10
    9 June 2024 07: 45
    Why won't Ukraine rise up? It’s just that what state TV channels show us and how life actually goes there are two big differences. Bombs are not rained down on their heads, their children are not blown up in kindergartens and schools! They don’t need to speak out against anyone, their life goes on almost as usual.
  33. +2
    9 June 2024 07: 50
    Universal suffrage and the democratization of most European states created the illusion that peoples and nations themselves determine their own destiny, but in fact this is nothing more than an illusion.

    Slaves always think that they are free, but remain slaves.
  34. -2
    9 June 2024 07: 52
    Uprisings “for Putin” and “for Russia” in Ukraine are, of course, impossible, but uprisings for Neo-Leninism and Neo-Marxism are very possible, provided they are “synchronic.” Moreover, I know that it will be like this, it simply cannot be any other way.
    1. +2
      9 June 2024 08: 08
      Like in that song: you recognize it by the Voice..., you recognize it (the uprising) by the "People's Councils.."
  35. +4
    9 June 2024 07: 55
    30 years of “independence” have greatly damaged the brains, of course, there are Ukrainians with healthy brains, but the majority have been touched, there is a massive loss of sanity, and in the violent direction - I will kill and tear
  36. +1
    9 June 2024 08: 10
    For there to be an uprising, you need an idea, an organization and a leader!
    Looks like this is our fault.
    The Russians who have converted to “Ukrainians” are now passive on Russian territory, which is called “Ukraine,” we don’t conduct campaigning, we don’t use NLP there, but the Nazi hooligans use it to the fullest, that’s why this is the result.
    This is SOCIOLOGY!
    1. +7
      9 June 2024 08: 20
      For what and against what should they “revolt”? We abandoned them in 14-15, the same thing happened again in 22. We were lucky that in March 22 Borka the Shaggy broke the “Istanbul agreement”. We imposed the Yanukovychs and Medvedchuks on them, and we continue to do so. Two years ago, Prigozhin clearly explained with examples why they are fighting us harshly.
  37. +1
    9 June 2024 08: 38
    This article itself, its presence suggests that someone somewhere thinks that this conflict will be resolved from within the enemy. That, looking at how good we are, and how bad Zelya is, they will make a coup in Ukraine. Stupid delusions of the doves of peace. At best, this people will not do anything and will scatter into corners like the Palestinians, or like any community of people without material and ideological support from the outside. And taking into account the huge cemeteries and historical memory, “for tyatka” and so on, the reformatting of society, even a la Uighuristan, will require 70 years until a complete change in the frozen teenagers.
    The only solution is military. With an ultimatum, the abolition of Ukraine, the creation on the new borders of Russia somewhere in the Lviv region of a country laying out a buffer zone from NATO with a width of at least 350 km
  38. +10
    9 June 2024 08: 44
    How is Russia different from Ukraine??? That you are all *Ukraine, yes Ukraine*. You keep trying to see the sliver in someone else’s eyes, but you don’t notice the logs in your own.
    The exact same situation as in Ukraine is happening in Russia. Also, a handful of people who have seized power have usurped everything and everyone, and those who try to object to something are persecuted. For example, a criminal. At the same time, they can easily declare a person a *foreign agent*, even if he is not one.

    Before trashing someone else's state, put your own in order!!!
    1. +1
      9 June 2024 11: 24
      The same can be written about the UWB and their “horse cyclists”, headshots of unwanted people, persecution of Trump, criminal offenses against unwanted stars, dismissal of “wrong” journalists, etc., etc.
      Everywhere there are elites who are at the head of states. Some elites simply care less about the people, while others care more.

      PS: and by the way, the UWB elite doesn’t care at all about the population of the UWB. They only protect their lifestyle, means of production and mortgage and cheap migrant slaves.
      ZZY: just as they don’t care about other elites and other peoples, they can overthrow their leader a la Gadaffi or simply blow up someone’s gas pipeline or throw Yao at Japan. Just because they can. They just like to be able. Just absolute power.
    2. -1
      9 June 2024 12: 43
      First, we'll deal with your Nazis, and only then...
  39. +2
    9 June 2024 08: 57
    I don’t think that the authorities there control the Nazis. Rather, she is afraid of them and flirts with them. Hence the propaganda of Bandera and co., Nazi battalions and regiments, symbols and textbooks, etc. Of course, since 2014, the SBU has strengthened itself with American money and technology, but it cannot and does not want to guarantee the authorities protection from the Nazis. Themselves with a mustache. Today's Ukraine is a state saturated with neo-Nazism; they really believe that Ukrainians are special, a white race, unlike us. In this sense, the Ukrainian people are already hooked on this drug and it will not be easy to cure it. So I don't agree with the author.
  40. +7
    9 June 2024 09: 06
    It’s time to start writing a scientific research on the topic “On the role of Russia (or rather, its absence) in organizing the Ukrainian crisis.” However, the other day Surkov appreciated it, saying that “the Minsk agreements are the highest achievement of Russian diplomacy.” As long as there is such an approach, there will be war.
    1. +1
      13 June 2024 16: 01
      So this “surkov” was the ideological organizer of these two Minsk truces, for which he was mercilessly scolded by Strelkov. It was Surkov who was the curator of Donbass from 2014 to 2020, it seems. Everything that happened in Donbass was the hands of this man - his political and financial fodder, his reports to the Kremlin, and so on. a certain Sobchak spoke very highly of this “genius” of our policy in the Donbass.
      I think her praise alone makes it clear that what he actually did for the Russian people was a betrayal.
  41. +3
    9 June 2024 09: 11
    Now imagine that Stauffenberg was able to blow up Hitler. Would the war stop? Definitely not. Modern wars do not end after the removal of leaders or because of failures at the front. The true owners of countries have many opportunities to drive people to slaughter. Only complete military defeat and unconditional surrender, and then occupation and “airing” of the population’s brains can provide at least some probability of a successful end to the war. An example is Germany in 1945 and the formation of the German Democratic Republic.
  42. 0
    9 June 2024 09: 24
    Every people deserves the power that it has.
  43. +10
    9 June 2024 09: 24
    Funny article. I laughed heartily. Especially the author’s conclusion that fascism, Nazism and Bolshevism are the consequences of the First World War delighted me. Well, the discussion about the difference between fascism and Nazism is generally, if not a masterpiece, then quite entertaining. The author needs to read the idol of the president, the ideologist of fascism Ilyin. In his article “National Socialism. The New Spirit” (1933), he does not see the difference between these phenomena. One supposedly complements the other and vice versa. Well, the lamentations about Zelensky’s legitimacy are the same questions for the Russian President. The Constitution of the Russian Federation provides for 2 terms of government, but not 5. And the main question is WHAT CAN RUSSIA OFFER TO NEW TERRITORIES? Automatic increase in retirement age? Galloping inflation? Rising prices? Abramovich instead of Akhmetov? So there is enough of this goodness there. Why exchange an awl for soap?
    1. +5
      9 June 2024 09: 53
      But the enemies of the USSR do not want to offer anything. Just like for 32 years they have not done anything useful for Russia and the Russian people, and have not even offered. And they don’t even have an ideology FOR themselves, their whole ideology and propaganda is AGAINST others.
    2. 0
      9 June 2024 18: 45
      The author needs to read the idol of the president, the ideologist of fascism Ilyin.
      And he read it. And in one of his articles he vehemently defended him. He argued that I. Ilyin was not a fascist at all, but a revolutionary conservative or a nationalist-revolutionary, which actually makes no difference. In another article he attacked the globalist capitalists and declared that only nationalists and nationalists, either conservatives or revolutionaries, will save the world. And the meaning of that article is that fascism will save the world. And the author himself is from Lugansk. He used to indicate in parentheses after his last name. hi
      1. +2
        9 June 2024 19: 08
        I didn’t know, but for some reason I believe it. Here I remember the dialogue between Muller and Stirlitz - We must educate new storytellers who will shift our history in a new way. But those were still the 70s.
      2. +1
        10 June 2024 06: 37
        So Hitler said that he was leading a national revolution in Germany. It turns out that the author, without even wanting to, compares Ilyin’s ideology to the ideology of both German National Socialism and the ideology of Italian fascism and similar movements in Europe.
  44. +11
    9 June 2024 09: 28
    So all these 3 points apply not only to Ukraine. Obviously. IMHO.
    1) The movements are not just suppressed - N is dead, Strelkov is sitting. People with their own opinions either ran away or they received Inogent’s square. And “there is no clear information strategy.”

    2) “... despite their clumsiness, they control public opinion and, in general, ensure a “spiral of silence.” They wrote right here on VO.

    3) “it is a big mistake to believe that the masses have sovereignty, that the people themselves determine their future.” - jokes about vote counts are proof of this
    99,9%, 123%, etc.

    Well, the cult of the pro-fascist Ilyin. There are already many societies named after him, memorial plaques, monuments, etc. Well, the rest - Mannerheim, Kolchak, Krasnov, Wrangel, Yeltsin...
    Everything is.
  45. +13
    9 June 2024 09: 39
    . for whom the country's national interests are an empty phrase.


    Let's take a look at Timur Ivanov. What interests did he have? Are they really state-owned? Judging by the bins, they are personal. What about those around him? Are there really others? And what is the ideology of these people? And the most interesting question: what is the ideology of the person who promoted and appointed these people?
    It’s good to poke Ukraine with a stick. It would be nice to look in the mirror
    1. +3
      9 June 2024 16: 01
      In your opinion, Timur Ivanov stole? The system always steals. And people are simply built into it, temporarily, each at their own level. They can be changed, but there will be no point. That’s why all these “cleanings of ranks” and “plantings” are not a fight against corruption, they are a fight against individual corrupt officials..
      1. +1
        9 June 2024 17: 37
        . In your opinion, Timur Ivanov stole?


        Well, yes, but not alone. And what does it mean that the “system” steals? Specific people steal. And this can be seen without the tax service, FSB, Ministry of Internal Affairs and so on. And shamelessly. And the word "system" is just an excuse. No one is forcing you. If you don’t want to, or your mother raised you differently, you won’t.
        1. +1
          9 June 2024 18: 22
          You can't see the forest for the trees. You can put any other person in place of the “imprisoned corrupt official,” but after a while it will be the same. Or the system will reject him..
  46. +2
    9 June 2024 09: 44
    Those who are potentially passionate are either at the front or have left. The main visible enemy for them is Russia, which bombs their homes - Zee is far behind in the system of discontent.
  47. +8
    9 June 2024 09: 47
    at the very beginning of the Russian Spring in March-April 2014 in the east of Ukraine, all pro-Russian groups and movements were crushed by the SBU in the Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk regions ... in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions such a pogrom did not happen ... then we found out that most of the pro-Russian groups and movements defeated in the east of Ukraine were somehow connected with the FSB, only those groups survived that worked autonomously and did not have time to establish contact with the FSB ... in Donetsk and Lugansk, the majority had connections with the GRU .... and apparently that’s why the Russian Spring was at least partially successful there
    1. 0
      13 June 2024 16: 07
      The FSB is a government controlled organization.
      Who does she report to? to your Director. Who is he for? to your President personally.
      Why are you surprised if this Putin, until 2020, at least insisted that there was no alternative to the shameful Minsk agreements and that Donbass is part of Ukraine? He changed his shoes only in 2022 and included these lands into Russia. but before that??.. part of Ukraine.. kept repeating and repeating.
      that is why the FSB ceased its activities - the president clearly called everything as it is.

      learn to think and see things as they are.
      less ORT and Solovyov-Kiselev.
      Analyze Putin’s interview more without the puppy dog ​​eyes. Look at him neutrally, like an ordinary politician from a neighboring state - then all his statements become clear and obvious at once. For whom and to whom does he tell them?
      1. 0
        13 June 2024 17: 34
        I read it... I laughed for a long time... then I became gloomy... It only dawned on you now what I was sure of back in 2001
  48. -2
    9 June 2024 09: 49
    In some important ways the author is right, but in others he is wrong.
    He is right that there will be no uprising, that the repressive apparatus is working at full capacity, that the media has created and is creating public opinion and on some other issues.
    The author is wrong in denying Nazi ideology in Ukraine. For a hundred years, if not more, the population of southwestern Rus' was taught that they were better than the Russians and many other peoples. They instilled a sense of their exclusivity, as well as the need to brutally suppress other peoples. This is Nazism. And we must fight Ukrainian Nazism using appropriate methods.
  49. -1
    9 June 2024 10: 12
    So they explained why they won’t rebel.... Because that’s why they start at у !
  50. BAI
    +1
    9 June 2024 10: 14
    A successful uprising against Zelensky’s power is possible only in one case – if it is supported from the outside.

    1 no money - no Maidan.
    2 need professional leaders
  51. +6
    9 June 2024 10: 30
    I agree with the author: there will be no popular uprising in Ukraine against the regime. The dissatisfied and active ones left were those who, in general, were satisfied with everything. There is dissatisfaction with the mobilization, but this is only a few. I’m looking at the report from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: the enemy lost 9000 in a week and 67 servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces surrendered. They show a report with a captured Armed Forces officer: the commanders abandoned us; there was no ammunition, so he surrendered. Those. if the commander had been nearby and had ammunition, he would have continued to shoot at our guys. This shows the attitude of Ukrainians towards military operations.
    1. 0
      13 June 2024 16: 13
      Many times in the comments I urge you to listen carefully to how our reports say - XX militants, neo-Nazis, Bandera criminals, etc. were destroyed, but XX captured soldiers of the armed forces of Ukraine were taken. They were provided with medical assistance, cigarettes, food, and a call to their wives. Now they will be all right.
      those. between the enemies who must be destroyed to the last and the Ukrainian brothers, a people united with us, only 5 seconds of air time pass.

      and these “brothers” openly say in interviews - they shot off all the cartridges, threw all the grenades, and when it was all over, they decided to give up. And the stupid Russian vankas took me prisoner and are now preparing me for exchange. I am a chef myself. So what if I have a tattoo of Hitler and a swastika on my body - it’s just that I was in the Aidar battalion and everyone there did it, a mistake of youth. Sorry and exchange it soon.

      I've seen this dozens of times already.
      Milchakov from DSRG Rusich says - do not take prisoners, do not risk your life and the life of a comrade.
      Before the fight, offer to surrender. Take prisoner. All OK.
      During the battle, after the battle - no. This is the enemy. He wanted you dead. He is your rightful target.

      PS: I completely agree with him. The life of a Russian soldier is higher than the life of a Ukrainian, who will later shoot you in the back.
  52. +1
    9 June 2024 10: 32
    Why Ukrainians won’t rise up against Zelensky’s dictatorship

    There are a lot of crazy people these days, but there are no leaders. request sad
  53. +8
    9 June 2024 10: 37
    Why Ukrainians won’t rise up against Zelensky’s dictatorship

    Because everything is not as bad for them as they like to deceive on TV in a neighboring country...
  54. -1
    9 June 2024 10: 40
    There will be no uprising for a combination of reasons. These are both our shortcomings and also good work on the part of our opponents. It's a bad development, but it's not our choice. Apparently it will be necessary to the last chubby, and then with strikes from tactical nuclear weapons.
  55. -3
    9 June 2024 11: 03
    Yes, no one will rebel against anyone simply because the British or Dutch went through uprisings and revolutions and all sorts of nonsense back in the 17th century, the Americans in the 19th, the Germans in the 20th, and the Jews - 2 thousand years ago.
    They will simply never find themselves in such an idiotic situation as hohli
  56. Eug
    +6
    9 June 2024 11: 30
    As for me, Ukrainians do not see WHAT to fight FOR. In the understanding of the majority, it was not Zelensky’s regime that deprived them of a fairly comfortable life, but the outbreak of the Northern Military District. And what its ending will be is completely incomprehensible to the same Kharkov residents, towards whom Russia has already twice demonstrated its attitude. And even the transition to Russian jurisdiction does not mean the end of all the problems generated by the current situation....
  57. +8
    9 June 2024 11: 45
    the author, having answered the question why the citizens of the Russian Federation did not rebel against Yeltsin in the 90s, would have found all the answers, just like those who leave comments in the style of “because they are suckers, not like us.”
  58. +6
    9 June 2024 11: 46
    I still don’t hear clearly for myself, but what do we want? What are we building? (Is it fair to index pensions for workers? And before that, for almost 10 years, they acted unfairly? What then? In whose favor? And who was babbling that a pension is supposedly compensation for lost productivity (Silumin and Medvedev!), and it’s not a mandatory payment at all, only contributions for it, including from working pensioners, are mandatory!)
    It is for this lying economic-feudal nonsense that the Ukrainians supported by the West should rise as one?
    Aha
    The best propaganda is our real life. And when in April we like to talk about the future record harvest - how is that? I would send such a minister to his desk in 3rd grade, so that he could write “Chickens are counted in the fall” 1000 (a thousand times) in calligraphic handwriting, maybe he would learn it at the same time, and... even understand and be imbued with it.
    And with those who declared themselves our enemies - what kind of confusion can there be? Should we, in the trenches near Moscow in 41, worry about the duped German proletarian?
    I somehow understand Ehrenburg more clearly: “The number of times you meet, the number of times you kill!”
    And feeding from field kitchens, organizing work to clear debris and appointing new administrations and agendas is a big deal later when “Hitler is kaput.”
    The irony of History is that the current anti-Stalists in power have to forcefully turn to Stalin for their experience in solving similar problems.
    Did he make mistakes? I did. Have you solved the problems of the people and the state? I decided, with great reserve for the future.
    Andrei Rambovich is right: you can make mistakes (otherwise it’s unrealistic), but you can’t lie (although many are used to it)!
  59. bar
    -5
    9 June 2024 11: 58
    A successful uprising against Zelensky’s power is possible only in one case – if it is supported from the outside.

    Even this doesn’t work in Ukraine. At the first stage of the SVO, this was precisely what was planned. Support from the outside was provided, there was a lot of fuss in the bunker, but instead of uprising, the people hid, and the oligarchs, instead of seizing power, took their shuttles over the hill. Ukraine has never had its own state, the population has not developed the habit of defending it, and it is heavily atomized. Every man for himself, my house is on the edge. And an uprising implies unification around something. But you can’t make a brick out of individual grains of sand, just like you can’t make a bullet out of shit. Therefore, you should not count on a popular uprising.
    1. +7
      9 June 2024 12: 55
      Ukraine has never had its own state, the population has not developed the habit of defending it

      This is why the war has been going on for three years.
  60. -6
    9 June 2024 12: 29
    Why is everyone trying so hard to understand how the fascists differ from the Nazis and the Ukrainian Armed Forces? For us Russians, only one thing is important - they all want to destroy Russia. Everything else is from the evil one.
  61. +1
    9 June 2024 12: 55
    When will people in Ukraine still rebel against the government of Vladimir Zelensky?

    Only when the State Department wants it. All the so-called uprisings in Ukraine were organized by the State Department.
  62. +1
    9 June 2024 13: 05
    It’s not even a matter of external organization. A revolt, in general, is only possible if there is some kind of structure that has a plan for such an organization and an idea of ​​why it should be organized. In 404 there is neither one nor the other, nor the third.
    And the author correctly noted that Russia is not carrying out subversive work against 404. In fact, the connivance towards 404 has already led to Euromaidan and the subsequent war in Donbass. Now relying only on military force has led to only a long positional war.
    This is not to say that nothing is being done in terms of subversive work. But very little is being done and very targeted.
    But our potential enemy is simply pouring huge resources into the information war
  63. +6
    9 June 2024 14: 04
    We also did not rebel against Yeltsin, Chubais and Gaidar, and now the authorities know this, that’s why they do all sorts of crap, so I don’t think that this will happen to them without outside help; we have the same mentality.
    1. +2
      9 June 2024 14: 58
      I remember that in the early 90s not only Yeltsin was popular, but also Gaidar and Chubais. And N. Ryzhkov was called the “crying Bolshevik.” I don’t know how much better he was than Chubais, but he probably wouldn’t have deliberately destroyed industry.The main thing is that the image of Ryzhkov was disgusting to the people, but Chubais was a great guy in the eyes of the people
      The people made their own choice.

      Some theologians believe that the souls of people go to hell and heaven voluntarily. Where they themselves want to go. The Russian people seem to have long ago prepared for themselves a warm place in hell for their souls. Because it’s interesting and not boring, there’s no gray Soviet monotony there
      1. 0
        10 June 2024 15: 14
        I think it depends on the region, if in Moscow and the Moscow region, Leningrad the young reformers were popular, then in the Orenburg region they were strongly criticized, especially Yeltsin for the collapse of the USSR, and many began to return to Russia from the former Soviet republics because pogroms and Russophobia, and even more so felt hatred for them; I remember the mood of my relatives from Tashkent when they had to give up everything there, indignation, to put it mildly.
  64. +3
    9 June 2024 14: 25
    Since the time of Pushkin, “the people have been silent.”
  65. +2
    9 June 2024 15: 14
    You might think we have something different... :)
    All the basic reasons are the same...
    The entire change of power always takes place in offices, and not in public squares...
    In the squares there is a performance, behind the screen of which there are hidden threads leading to the offices...
  66. -1
    9 June 2024 15: 26
    We don’t see any clear ideology, with the exception of rabid Russophobia..

    The outskirts are not a nation-state. Just a tool, the tip of a spear with which to poke the Russian Federation. Accordingly, ideology in such a paradigm is redundant; “Russophobia” is enough as a unifying principle..
  67. kvv
    +3
    9 June 2024 15: 32
    these conclusions apply not only to the population of the outskirts, this applies to everyone, including Russians
  68. +3
    9 June 2024 15: 47
    Russophobia is one of the branches of the tree of racism.


    De-Stalinization + decommunization + de-Sovietization = de-Russification. With the beginning of “perestroika” (1985), the monstrous idea that Ukraine was not Russia began to be implanted in the minds of residents of the former Ukrainian SSR. Since 1992, Ukraine has been anti-Russia. Despite the fact that Kyiv was a more Russian city than Moscow. Over these years, the local bourgeoisie managed to reprogram the consciousness of the Ukrainian population from the Russian one (the absolute majority of which has Russian roots). In 2014, with “songs and dances,” Ukraine is Europe. A regime was established based on the worst example of Latin American dictatorships. With all their attributes, including death battalions. Today all dissent is suppressed. There are only two options left for the population. Either escape or burial. To be honest, the leadership of the Russian Federation also bears responsibility for what happened.
  69. +1
    9 June 2024 16: 11
    They talk and write a lot about ideology. And there are many sound opinions. However, let's look at things straight: today only China has a full-fledged ideology. In most countries of the "World of Western Civilization" there are no real ideological structures. There is some kind of hellish mixture there, an ideological mix. So we are following the general trend here. But it is convenient to manage the masses. You can create your own mixture of “isms” for each person.
  70. 0
    9 June 2024 16: 28
    This article shows, that author knows and understands absolutely nothing.
    Why do Ukrainians fight? Why do they support Zelensky? Simple - because they don't want to be part of Russian World. They want to be part of Europe. They want to live like in Europe.
    Ask Yourself - what do you have to offer? Wealth? Rule of law? Lack of corruption? Good infrastructure? Good salaries? Peace? Democracy?
    Look at Your country, look at Spain, Germany, Poland and ask Yourself - why should any sane person chose Russia over western life?
    Why should people want to live like in Vorkuta while they can life like in Ostrow Wielkopolski or Rubi (check photos from these cities)?
    Ask Yourself - why?
  71. +1
    9 June 2024 16: 37
    Why won't they rebel? Because there is no signal from over the hill and Nuland will not come with the livers. revolutions happen if someone pays for them.
  72. +5
    9 June 2024 16: 41
    I invite the author to speculate on the topic: why the Russian people did not rebel against the regime of the drunk and his accomplices.
  73. 0
    9 June 2024 17: 52
    Slaves of lace panties do not think with their heads.
  74. +3
    9 June 2024 18: 25
    The oligarchic “Makhnovshchina” in Ukraine, over the course of 40 years, just as in Russia, step by step, built a regime of domination of private property by the financial and commercial oligarchy. First, together with the Russian Soviet nomenklatura, robbing and stealing from their own population in the 90s, then in parallel - before the Orange Revolution, and after well-known events - together with Western subjects. And their only difference from the Russian nouveau riche is that in Ukraine they became “Jewish Bandera”, and in our country they were transformed into “imperials”. Although, in essence, those who stole from THEIR own citizens the national property, means of production, infrastructure, mineral resources, the savings of Soviet people and the future of our children. In short, they stole our lives (. And what, in such a situation, can the poor or frankly impoverished population do? Nothing. Except one thing, start forming production, engineering, infrastructure and agricultural public economic structures, cooperatives, and petty-bourgeois corporations, which only Neither Ukrainian financial industrial groups, that is, oligarchic gangs, nor the middle bourgeoisie, which has one or two grabs left before becoming large, can awaken the working people in these structures, the population, economic interests and the will to fight for their goals of social development. , naturally, they will not do this. (No one will raise their own class enemies)!). But for this to happen today, first - in Russia or in the West, social revolutions must take place, radically changing the legal relations of the existing form of domination of private property and the state, to the legal relations of social petty-bourgeois socialization of property and the state. That is, nationalization. As a result, a petty-bourgeois producing middle class of qualified and educated townspeople and rural owners will appear and take shape, as a real sub-economic subject, who will be DIRECTLY interested in the formation of similar regimes of legal, administrative, power, cultural, and political-economic nationalization of property throughout to the world. Moreover, from their neighbors. And in Ukraine itself, today, apart from senseless and bloody riots, nothing can happen that is not meaningful to the overwhelming majority of the population. There are no political or economic entities that are able to transform the 3rd “imperialist” war into a civil war, no ideology, no organization. And there are only “lords-atamans” who stand for unlimited personal freedom (. That is, they will continue to rob.

    PS Look - who benefits!
  75. +1
    9 June 2024 18: 59
    When Russia will understand that these are not Ukrainians, but Russians, Little Russians and Ukrainians. Three nations, each of which wants to go in a different direction, perhaps then Russia will succeed. We must take what is ours and drive out the strangers. Only. And stop worrying about the united Ukrainian people.
  76. -2
    9 June 2024 19: 39
    The article is verbose. But nothing. The territory of Ukraine is a place where European and Asian cultures have met for 700 years. Over the past 400 years, it has been agreed that this is a buffer zone for which the war will take place.

    Until the “buffer zone” is on the border of Germany and France, nothing will change
  77. -1
    9 June 2024 20: 51
    I'm tired of the stilted and illiterate chatter about the Ukrainian people. Okay, the average Russian man in the street says something about him. So no, and political scientists are there too. Maybe it wouldn’t hurt to study the essence of the issue first?
  78. -1
    9 June 2024 21: 00
    Putin promised the Ukrainians to carry out complete decommunization, and he is carrying it out. There was no Ukraine before 1922. Did not have. It was created by the communists and from its very beginning it was created as Anti-Russia. The Ukrainian nation is just an occupier on these lands, which we see in their attitude towards the population of these lands. The task of Russia is to drive out the occupier and liberate the population.
  79. +1
    9 June 2024 21: 03
    How interesting. Just like ours.
  80. 0
    9 June 2024 22: 49
    Didn't understand the difference between fascism and Nazism
  81. +1
    10 June 2024 02: 00
    all are passionate either at the front or on the ground; the rest are incapable of revolt
  82. +2
    10 June 2024 06: 45
    You might think that a revolution is possible in Russia if the country were in the same position as Ukraine now.
  83. +2
    10 June 2024 06: 48
    Quote from vvnab
    Didn't understand the difference between fascism and Nazism

    At least read Wikipedia. These are generally completely different phenomena.
    1. AB
      +1
      10 June 2024 10: 04
      In recent years, I have noticed a trend that the word “fascism” is being taken out of circulation. Even the Germans, who came to the USSR according to the conjectures of all sorts of narrow-minded people: to bring us Bavarian things, democracy and good cars, are now simply Nazis and in no way fascists. Hence the increasing number of people who do not see the difference.
  84. +3
    10 June 2024 07: 19
    When someone raises the problems of Ukrainian society, I just want to say, “look in the mirror,” because we are one people. And that there were a lot of protests in Russia over raising the retirement age?
  85. +4
    10 June 2024 08: 31
    I don’t read Ukrainian forums, but most likely they are asking the same question about us.
    1. AB
      0
      10 June 2024 10: 01
      After reading the title, my first thought was exactly the same.
  86. 0
    10 June 2024 11: 56
    The whole part with the twists and turns and history of power in Ukraine is understandable. Why there is no partisan movement is not clear? Not just for Russia, but for your children, for your rights. Even under the Nazis there were partisans, but now they are not
    1. -2
      10 June 2024 14: 48
      Because almost whole Ukrainian society is anti-Russian. They do it for their children, because they want to live like people in Madrid or Warszawa not like people in Vorkuta or Izhevsk.
      As I said before - You have nothing to offer to Ukrainian people. No one sane wants to be part of the Russian world. No one!
      1. +1
        10 June 2024 15: 41
        Quote: Barking_one
        No one sane wants to be part of the Russian world. No one!

        Are you a naive person or are you just pretending to be a fool?
        Washington should continue to support Kyiv as this war could have economic benefits for the US and Western countries. This opinion was expressed by US Senator Lindsey Graham on CBS News. According to him, if Ukraine wins, the West will receive “the best business partner,” and at the same time natural resources “worth 10-12 trillion dollars.”

        Original news from InoTV:
        https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2024-06-10/Lindsi-Grem-SSHA-dolzhni-pomoch

        There is no democracy, freedom, rights, NATO and the EU for Ukraine. This is what they diligently feed you. Receive and sign, for the true purposes of the United States. Ordinary neocolonialism and the Russian world have nothing to do with it.
        1. -1
          10 June 2024 16: 42
          I ask You again - what Russia has to offer? Wealth? Rule of law? Security? Peace? Good healthcare system? Good roads?
          What?
          Look at Vorkuta, Izhewsk or other cities. Look at roads, schools, trams. Now look at Barcelona, ​​Bonn, Poznan.
          See the difference?
          Don't tell me how bad and evil is the West. Tell me why you are better.
          So?
          1. +1
            11 June 2024 08: 39
            Quote: Barking_one
            Look at Vorkuta, Izhewsk or other cities. Look at roads, schools, trams. Now look at Barcelona, ​​Bonn, Poznan.

            You’ve been out of the loop for a long time now. Paris is littered with garbage, rats run around like rabbits. The Hollywood Walk of Fame, Los Angeles, California is home to drug addicts. The West is no longer the same. Finland was once famous for its cleanliness, but now litter on the streets is not uncommon and it’s already dangerous to walk around the city in the evening. In Stockholm, in general, some areas are not even visited by the police. And Malm has also become a dangerous, dirty city. In order not to compare Izhevsk with Bonn or Barcelona, ​​first visit Detroit, St. Louis, New Orleans and Baltimore and Memphis. And about Barcelona I've never seen such pickpockets before
            1. -2
              11 June 2024 19: 14
              I live in the West. I know how it is. And yes - Paris was nicer in 00's, than today, but it doesn't matter cos it is still much better place to live, than any city in Russia. Question is still on table - why should Ukrainians live like You, while they can live like me?
              And why sholudn't we compare Izhevsk to Bonn or to Wroclaw? Why? Have You ever been in Bonn, Barcelona, ​​Paris, Warsaw or Prague? Or You just listen to Your propaganda?

              Let's check some quality of life fact:
              Novosibirsk - 502 square kilometers, 1,6 million people, 150 kilometers of tram lines, 193 trams,
              Wroclaw (Poland) 292 square kilometers, 675 thousands people, 190 kilometers of tram lines, 240 trams (170 are 15 years or newer).

              So third city in Poland agains third city in Russia:
              Meters of train line per 1 square kilometer
              Novosibirsk - 300
              Wroclaw - 650 (2,1 times more)
              Trams per 100000 people
              Novosibirsk - 12
              Wroclaw - 35,5 (3 times more)

              So maybe how long will you life (data from 2021 - before war, which shortened average length of life in Russia). Data for males
              Sweden - 81,4
              France 79,3
              USA 73,5
              Poland 71,7
              Iraq - 67,9
              Russia - 64,2

              So I ask again - why should Ukrainians live like You?

              Compare to US cities? I'm not from the USA, but yes. They have a drug problem, but no according to these data https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings it is still more likely to be murdered in Russia than in the USA.
              1. +1
                13 June 2024 10: 59
                Wroclaw? Why? Have You ever been in Bonn, Barcelona, ​​Paris, Warsaw or Prague? Or You just listen to Your propaganda?

                I worked in Poland, Finland, Norway, Denmark. And yesterday I met an employee from Germany, Mr. Fulda. I am writing because I know what to write about.
                You better not mention anything about propaganda in Russia. Propaganda in the West is supported by repressive methods. Complete control of everything, correspondence, personal life, accounts, property (Snowden will become a friend of the free society in Russia for this reason). Everything you say is recorded, everything can turn against you. Try to say something in the USA against LGBT people. In Finland, say that your child will not attend sex education classes.
                Russia offers, first of all, a society built on classical education, with mom and dad.
                It’s not funny about the number of trams, the quality of life is not measured in this way. In the Russian Federation, 80% of passenger transportation is carried out by minibuses,
                Regarding the standard of living, YOUR Google gives
                For women, the average as of 2023 is 78,74 years, while for men it is 10 years less - 68,04 years.1 Apr. 2024

                So it turns out that you are a propagandist, write outright lies
                1. -1
                  13 June 2024 18: 20
                  When You worked and how. That is the question. What kind of control of everything are You talking about? Give me an plain example - what and how is recorded, by who, etc.

                  Next thing - we don't want classical society rooted in middle age. We are modern, we want to live as we want. Also what's wrong with sex education? Children are being taught about their sexuality, about birth control, about AIDS and other illnesses. Is it wrong? Sooner or later Your son or daughter will make sex with someone and it is better, that she/he will know what condom is, how to prevent pregnacy or venereal disease.

                  Trams - why is it funny? Trams are ecological, trams don't stay in traffic jams. That is the level of life. Minibus? Gaz Gazela can take 13 passengers on board and is 5,5 meters long, tram (Pesa 2015 Twist) takes 243 persons with 32 meters. You will need more than 100 meters of Gazelas to take so much passengers. That is why we don't want minibuses in our cities. Tram takes 3 times less space and is driving on separate road, so it don't stand in jams.

                  So what makes your life better? More tanks? More guns?

                  About life expectancy - can You give a link?
                  1. 0
                    14 June 2024 09: 24
                    Quote: Barking_one
                    When did you work and how?

                    Worked from foreman to shift supervisor in the chemical production of polymers for almost 10 years
                    Quote: Barking_one
                    We are modern, we want to live the way we want.

                    Whoever doesn’t let you live, don’t interfere with us with your idea of ​​peace, tolerance, laws. It is the West that is trying to impose its rules on raising children, culture, and doing business on everyone.
                    Quote: Barking_one
                    What's wrong with sex education? Children are taught about their sexual orientation, birth control, AIDS and other diseases. It is not right?

                    So you all agree on what they teach in such lessons. That it is not necessary to have a gender, that there can be hundreds of genders and other perversions. I don’t even want to discuss.
                    Quote: Barking_one
                    Trams - why is it funny? Trams are environmentally friendly, trams do not get stuck in traffic jams. This is the standard of living. Minibus?

                    There are only 12 tram stops in Dubai and this is an indicator of life. I hope it’s clear what I mean.
                    Quote: Barking_one
                    So what makes your life better? More tanks? More weapons?

                    It’s the same as yours. Just don’t teach us about life. I remember your lessons in Afghanistan, Libya, Yugoslavia led to the tragedy of entire countries. It was your leadership that violated the agreement with Gorbachev on the non-expansion of NATO. It is your leadership that represents NATO as a model of peace and tranquility. And as for the tanks, you made a great point. Can you tell me how American and German tanks ended up in Ukraine? Are they really protecting NATO from the Russians?
                    Lindsey Graham openly told YOU what this war is for, but you don’t want to understand everything
                    1. -1
                      15 June 2024 00: 08
                      1. So great. When did You work here?

                      2. How is the west trying to impose it in Russia?

                      3. There is no gender education in Poland. And about other countries? It is their decision.

                      4. Dubai isn't a good place to live for me. It is not matter of Ferraris on the streets, but quality of average person.

                      5. So plain and simple - let Ukraine decide if they want to be part of west or east. Why do they want to be part of the west, not part of Russia?
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                        17 June 2024 11: 30
                        Quote: Barking_one
                        . So great. When did you work here?

                        What does it matter? Publish a visa?
                        Quote: Barking_one
                        2. How is the West trying to impose this on Russia?

                        This is not Russia, this is the whole world. You either live by the rules of the West, or you are its enemy. With all that it entails. Sanctions, political pressure, military pressure. Look what they came up with at the Olympics and what it has to do with sports, pure political pressure.
                        Quote: Barking_one

                        3. There is no gender education in Poland. What about other countries? It's their decision.

                        These are EU sex education standards, don’t you know? Then what are we talking about? Is Poland even in the EU?
                        Quote: Barking_one
                        4. Dubai is not the best place to live for me. It's not about the Ferrari on the streets, it's about being an ordinary person.

                        You just convinced me otherwise, and now it turns out it’s not a matter of the tram
                        Quote: Barking_one
                        Everything is simple and clear - let Ukraine decide for itself whether it wants to be part of the West or the East.

                        And who asked Ukraine? I don’t understand how to explain it to you
                        US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland confirmed in an interview with CNN that Washington has allocated $ 5 billion "to support the aspirations of the Ukrainian people for a stronger, democratic government."

                        You say you chose .....................................
              2. 0
                14 June 2024 15: 27
                Is there a metro in Wroclaw too? And an international airport with a runway of 3500 meters?
                1. -1
                  15 June 2024 00: 10
                  Wroclaw has 2500 meters runway - enough to land even Mrija.
                  There is no metro, but separate train/bus lanes and city train system.
                  1. +1
                    15 June 2024 08: 42
                    Mriya will never land at 2500 meters. If you don’t know, don’t talk.
                    1. -1
                      15 June 2024 11: 33
                      Sorry, my mistake. I'm not aircraft expert. That was An-124 Ruslan, not Mrija. But why do we need 3500 meters lane? There were A380, C5 and 747 in Wroclaw, so what plane would need 3500 meters lane?
                      1. 0
                        16 June 2024 08: 50
                        Apologies accepted))) For Mriya Length of runway for take-off/run, m 3100-3500.

                        The range length for the Airbus A380 is 2 meters, de facto 900.
                        For 747
                        The take-off run is 3 meters.
                        The run length is 2 meters.
    2. 0
      10 June 2024 14: 55
      Why there is no partisan movement is not clear?

      Well, why not?! There, our military officers clearly warn that 95% of the new territories are partisans and waiting people sad
      Who leak all the information about us and build intrigues, even over small things. To the point that you can’t take food, drinks (especially), or any other drinks. They poison only on the way.
      So there are plenty of partisans there.
  87. +2
    10 June 2024 14: 50
    By the way, here is an example of a good article! With arguments, without false accusations. I would like it if I liked it good
    After the start of the NWO, Russia is not trying to fight for the minds of Ukrainians, for this reason there is no clear information strategy regarding Ukraine
    - and these are generally true words, it’s a pity that this direction was wasted. They called everyone there fascists and Nazis, but no one knows what to do next.
    Someday they will take (well, let’s imagine) Dnepropetrovsk, for example, or Kharkov. And what? It turns out that all the Nazis, fascists, drug addicts, prostitutes, what other epithets are there?
  88. log
    +2
    10 June 2024 19: 54
    Ukrainians are incapable of resistance. The proverb “My house is on the edge” was born in Ukraine. Does anyone remember at least one serious uprising in Ukraine over the centuries? They are always under someone: under the Turks, Austrians, Poles, Germans, Russians. Now here it is - under the Americans. It’s probably more convenient for them to live this way. I don’t think it’s worth waiting for changes in their behavior.
  89. 0
    10 June 2024 20: 41
    Quote: Yuras_Belarus
    Modern wars do not end after the removal of leaders or because of failures at the front.

    After the abdication of Tsar Nicholas 2, the front collapsed. War is over.
  90. 0
    11 June 2024 02: 17
    It seems to me that our superiors still had a calculation that the Ukrainian brothers would stage an uprising at the beginning of the Operation. Like, yes, yes, it will be like in Crimea, where the people really rejoiced, welcoming the return to Russia.
    At the beginning of the Operation, the inexpensive non-brothers were quite happy with their then life - they were sent to kill and rob with impunity in the Donbass, they paid very well for it, and were allowed to live in Europe. They then had everything they wanted so badly - the status of slaves of a strong Master. What kind of Spartak could our leaders be counting on... there, well, there was no basis for an uprising at all. They didn’t need it; Ukrainians then lived very well on our gas and money from the West. But now they are simply afraid; the Kiev Gestapo works for them much more effectively than the fascist one. It’s all so... understandable, and without beautiful, thoughtful analytics.
    1. 0
      11 June 2024 04: 25
      It is difficult to guess the calculations of the authorities in Russia, because by and large they do not report to anyone about their work.
      If the authorities wanted normal relations with Ukraine, they would not have supported Russia’s enemies there for three decades.

      Moreover, it is easier to organize cooperation between economies in the Union, rather than individually. That is why such unions of states as the USA and the EU arose. But they arise only where society is sufficiently developed to demand a useful result from the work of superiors.
  91. 0
    11 June 2024 19: 41
    Do you think everything is so simple? If a dictatorship is established. And the dictator or dictators control everything and everyone, right down to the injection of information into society. I’m still surprised that access to foreign information has not been completely banned. Although this may be unnecessary in their realities.
  92. 0
    12 June 2024 02: 55
    Quote: mann
    division of society into a class of nobles and commoners. No equality or brotherhood. Fascism is essentially a development of feudalism, in which the basis of the state is the rich and powerful, noble people - the master class, and the rest are just cogs in their factories and in their army.
    But then half the world, if not more, fits your definition perfectly.
    Including... almost all of the CIS


    The CIS is rather a form of feudalism, although with elements of socialism, because, firstly, the party is not prohibited, and secondly, there is a social orientation of the state in the form of kindergartens, schools, payments, etc., and there is still the concept of a certain community of people and their rights In America, for example, this is not the case - there is clear individualism and capitalism.
  93. -1
    12 June 2024 12: 21
    Quote: Horatii
    It is necessary to bomb the infrastructure every day - stations and substations, train stations, military registration and enlistment offices, factories, bridges, communications. Moreover, in winter. Moreover, the emphasis should be on Kyiv and the Western regions.


    Absolutely right. And we have daily battles for the forester’s house. We put our soldiers in the ground for no reason! We don’t need either gatehouses or Kharkov ones! Without water, without food, without electricity, fuel and roads, war is impossible. Deprive the Ukrainian Armed Forces of all this and the war will end. And the enemy has no problems with all of the above.
    However, if you imagine for a second that hostilities suddenly stopped due to the impossibility of continuing, then, most likely, it will suddenly become clear that the Kremlin has no idea what to do with all this next! Therefore, let’s pour blood on Rabotino, which no one needs, it’s easier. And it will be seen there...


    Poo is afraid of escalation and Western animals sense it. He thinks that in the event of a sharp collapse of the front, NATO will send in troops and force him to make a choice. And there is only one choice - press the button!
    This will destroy Europe and several large Russian cities. America will not suffer.
  94. 0
    12 June 2024 13: 23
    In a word...the situation in Ukraine is the same as in Germany around 1944.
    The issue can only be resolved with a Russian victory.
  95. 0
    12 June 2024 14: 12
    Why won't they rebel against the potion? Because they have already been raised to be slaves!
  96. 0
    12 June 2024 17: 32
    Or maybe because not everything there is as our propaganda portrays? Maybe the people there are not quite the same as our official sources say? If everyone was rowed there, then no one would walk on the street anymore.
  97. +1
    12 June 2024 20: 05
    This is probably the first time I’ve read such a well-written article about Ukraine, the terms fascism and Nazism. What to add, I would simply repeat the author’s thesis. You won’t find such an article anywhere in Western Europe today, but here many former colonels only talk and show, but they are afraid, like the rest of us. We believe and expect Russia’s victory, yes, we are cowards, but we, old men, could go to the barricades in wheelchairs, with crutches and half-blind people. We are waiting for the disobedience of the younger generation and it will happen, albeit later, but it will happen. am
  98. +1
    12 June 2024 23: 16
    The author of the article really looks into the very depths. I especially liked the explanation about the “Spiral of Silence”. This is an accurate description of the mechanism of suppression of freedom of opinion through the media.

    The “Spiral of Silence” (German: Schweigespirale) is a principle described by the German political scientist Elisabeth Noel-Neumann, according to which, out of fear of social isolation, individuals prefer to voice less unpopular opinions and gravitate toward joining more popular opinions.


    Let's try to apply the same principle to us, to Russia, to the current state ideology of the Russian Federation, to Orthodoxy. Is it possible now in Russia to openly voice our rejection and uselessness of this ersatz ideology?
    Think about what will happen to you, what will happen to you, if you openly go on TV and express this opinion live:
    "The state ideology of Russia cannot be based on some compilation of ancient Jewish mythology with the story of a crucified Jewish rabbi from the Essay sect, who with his associates wanted to seize the Jerusalem temple and its treasury (even beat the money changers with a whip in front of the temple), but fell into the hands of the local religious mafia and was executed by them (like his brother James the Righteous during another revolt against the Sanhedrin later - in 62 AD). This happened almost 2000 years ago, about 3000 km from us, in a society culturally and ethnically alien to us, how can this even be applied to us? Why do we need this?"

    But this is a normal opinion, which is simply suppressed by the “Spiral of Silence”.
    Quite normal for a country that, just 25-30 years ago, was truly atheistic and could not even imagine that two fraternal peoples would soon (in 25-30 years) become absolutely “all in all” (no, of course, not all in all, but here too “ the spiral of silence" presses upon the Orthodox and will kill each other in the war by the hundreds of thousands, as if seriously remaining Orthodox. And their churches will approve of it...
    1. 0
      14 June 2024 08: 42
      Normal people are only disturbed by thieves and traitors, while the rest are disturbed by “thou shalt not steal”....

      If society has not come up with anything on its own for a thousand years other than “Jewish ideology,” it needs to shut up its fountain and try to strain what is left of its brains.... In order to perceive someone else’s, in the absolute absence of its own.

      For Fr. spoke best about ancient footcloth stinking paganism. Nestor at the end of the 11th century, he had to see all this bestiality in all its glory with his own eyes. No idiotic idealizations.
      1. +1
        14 June 2024 20: 40
        So there are a lot of thieves and traitors in the church. At any!

        For example, the Orthodox Metropolitan of Kiev Filaret (Denisenko) - he was not recognized for decades in the Russian Orthodox Church, he grew in ranks and positions, everyone glorified him, praised him... He swore on the Bible in Moscow that he would not separate the Ukrainian metropolis, but as in Kyiv arrived and separated.
        And what? A bunch of priests and flocks rushed after him to divide the parishes... And the income from them!
        It turns out that someone else’s imported religion didn’t help even inside the church, even the most vile traitors should be identified, punished, stopped, suppressed...

        But in Russia?
        This unfinished rebellious schema-abbot Sergius (Romanov) from the Urals is worth something: a murderer who was ordained in violation of all the canons of the Russian Orthodox Church (no one was punished for this in the Russian Orthodox Church!), who organized a Godless sect right in the Sredneuralsky convent, who lived there among the nuns, in violation of all the rules, expelled the abbess from the monastery, a lover of theatrical performances with the exorcism of demons from fake ducks, carrying all sorts of nonsense online (not written by him), insulting the church, calling for rebellion against the state. And he was tolerated for six months by both the Russian Orthodox Church and the state, although in his videos he spoke about 5-6 articles of the Criminal Code, including articles 280 and 282 (an ordinary citizen would have been imprisoned for this in a week).
        Why didn't they touch him? Because he was supposedly a saint and brought good money to the Yekaterinburg diocese. This is how it works in reality...
        1. +1
          15 June 2024 01: 41
          Even people of clergy are not angels, therefore they are far from holiness. Often even further than their flock. sad
  99. 0
    15 June 2024 01: 38
    As Napoleon said, in order to sow great unrest, only three things are needed: money, money and more money. Well, what you can’t do for money, you can do for a lot of money. What is impossible for a lot of money will become possible for a lot of money. If you organize a well-paid campaign (including appropriate agitation with the formation of the required public mood, as well as the creation of an effective political opposition), then “Pan Comedian” will quickly turn into a political corpse. However, not only the designated “pan”, and not only in Ukraine. Does this mean that some of those ruling the world are quite happy with the current state of affairs? No.